Quote: ''Normally we have more cars racing, but this vid was done to demo the track and to show how smooth and competitive our racing can be.'', Smooth and competitive? 0:07 a cheater :P
@KonyaliSelim14 - ha, yeah, that was my wife driving the silver car cutting the course there - just getting back in the battle during some warm up laps.
Hello! What kind of material is this? I need to build a homemade drift track that wouldn't really harm plastic tires... I'm thinking abs plastic, slick, slippery and shiny :)
@7ito1990 - Our track surface shown here is the smooth kind of concrete, like found in basements or garages typically, that's obviously been painted. We have done some drifting on it by wrapping various kinds of tape around the rubber tires. Electrical tape works, but we also found some slicker stuff that's better, so just se what you can find.
I like how you can change the track in seconds. Losi Micro ts would probably be a lot of fun on that track. what are the dimensions. THe Bridge is bad ass
@dapitbull2009 - The lane width ranges from 22 to 28 inches plus buffer areas, and the room is about 12 ft by 35 ft. We've fiddle with Micro Ts a little. We couldn't get them to handle well on the slick surface but we didn't make all that much effort either.
@TankPanZeR - We used mini-z in the past on a similar track in the same space, but the xray m18 is way more durable, way more accurate, smoother, just all around better driving quality. Either are fast. We've got higher quality digital steering servos, pc programmable speed controls, any transmitter with any programmable features we want, and fundamentally better suspension and drivetrain design. Mini-z are great in their own way but you can only fit so much into them since they are so small.
@gartump - We get much smoother handling from the Xray m18. They are all around higher quality, mechanically less play in the parts and way better servos for more accuracy, modular electronic components, lexan bodies, etc, built more like 10th scale cars in general. And the M18 is practically indestructible at the speeds run on these tighter tracks.
@chonyc77 - The best thing about 1/18th scale on-road cars is that if you keep their speed reasonable you can race on smaller tracks that can fit inside your basement, attic, or hobby shop, yet these cars still have the quality and features of larger cars. Any RC car racing turns into a derby unless the drivers are skilled.
I like the track, especially with the clear overhanging straight, but does it not feel a little constrained with those RCs? I know you are handling them well enough but with a greater number taking part i imagine the width of the track could become an issue.
That's my only criticism though! I think it's brilliantly designed with that aside. :D
@Thezeronumber - For beginners it is confining, but the experts are on full throttle a lot of the time, so if it were less confining they'd need faster cars to keep it fun, and then the beginners would be right back to feeling confined. This track has a realistic track width and the cars have a realistic speed. This allows for more controlled and realistic driving and better onboard video compared to bigger track with faster cars.
@Thezeronumber - If you think about it, the point of any race track is to "contstrain" the drivers to a particular path. If the curves are not enough to restrict the speed then there is no challenge. If the track is wider, the turns are effectively wider, and then you not only need a bigger room but you also need faster cars, then you quickly get to a point where the track is so out-of-proportion to the size of the cars, and then everything is out-of-control and the impacts disrupt the racing.
@Thezeronumber - Check out my website, harnoishobby, on the articles page, the "Formula Harnois Concept." It's explains all the reasoning behind our super tight track and many other aspects of our racing setup. We've spent a lot of years refining the setup.
@brandon9O7 - The drivers can not intentionally gain position by short cutting. There are bumps in the tan areas that slow or disrupt the cars. It is an intentional design aspect of our tracks. It allows the drivers to run up on the curbing and push the limits like real race cars, instead of bouncing off of walls and into traffic causing traffic jams. Search Google Images for F1 Cutting Corners, and you'll see how similar it is. Our website Tracks page has tons of details on track design.
@jamiekenta - 2.4 GHz radio & Novak Spy ESC. Xray brand adj. tie rods, 6 deg. caster a-arms, & soft rear hard front foam tires. Custom carbon fiber leaf springs and custom alum. center motor mounts. Chassis plate & entire drivetrain including the differentials, and other suspension parts, are stock from Xray M18 standard. Pics and more info on our website, cars page. Recently we've started experimenting with castle creations and lipo batts for the added adjustability and efficiency.
@akura2 - JConcepts mini-bj4 body, check out the website harnoishobby, cars page. You might have to rearrange your electronics a bit to fit them under the body, and work out the body mounts, not too difficult. We usually run 6 or 7 open-wheel cars, the crash physics are great.
@ajcdturner In 1998, a couple young guys establish a website call GOOGLE.com. When used correctly, you can extract huge amount of information from it. Give it a shot sometimes :)
@XxCleWZxX - Get an xray M18. The standard version is fine, and it can be bought RTR. It has a much higher quality driving experience, is more durable and mechanically sound, and can be used in a wider range of environments.
@willis67017 - We strongly prefer this tighter track for 1/18th because it makes for more realistic, competitive, and close racing, and much better onboard video as you can see in our other vids. We've been doing it this way since 2003. We have raced Mini-z extensively but the 1/18th scale cars generally have better steering servos, tires, suspension, radios, etc, and thus much better driving quality. Our website, has all kinds of info about racing 1/18th on tighter tracks.
The bridge surface is tempered glass. The rest of it is flat black and gray wall paint. On my website (harnoishobby) on the tracks page there's a link to a photo album which has captions with lots of construction and design details.
official car dimensions from the xray website (teamxray) - front width: adjustable 98~101mm - rear width: adjustable 104~107mm - wheelbase: 149mm - length: 215mm - in our case the length is less because of our open-wheel configuration - the space they are raced in here is about 4 x 11 meters
hey I had a question, I am trying to start a RC car business where did you get these cars and where did you get the track? Did you build it your self and how much does it cost? Any Suggs thanks man
The cars are Xray M18. They can be bought at hobby shops or online. We designed and built the track. The cost is a few hundred bucks for materials and a lot of design and construction time. Many details and photos are on the website, along with my email address. Feel free to contact me with questions for more details. We've been experimenting for years and I can definitely help you with your business. Already one hobby shop in Brazil has made a replica track.
It's not so much harder than a bigger more open style track as long as you keep the speed/power of the cars down to a reasonable level. You can race fast cars on a big track -or- race on this tighter style track with more realistically powered cars. Either way it is fun, but this style track requires less room and is actually more fun and realistic.
i wich i had my rc18t on that track. looks fun maibe change to my 15/60 gears first. now i have it on 19/54 for speed. any ways great driving and awsome looking track =D
The micro rs4 needs a rear ball diff and front steering linkage and servo upgrade at the least. Otherwise it depends on where you are driving it. Try the yourmicro forum for advice on upgrades. Lots of online stores including towerhobby sell parts for it, and probably your local hobby shop too.
Yeah probably. RC18T and similar more off-roady vehicles had a tendency to climb the bridge rails and impact the support cables, so we had to quit that real quick. I'm not sure if an 18R would do the same.
Thanks. We've worked hard to create the kind of environment where that close racing is possible. Normally we race with about 6 or more cars and then it's much more intense. :-D
nice track and cars. Do the tire assemblys of m18 fit micro rs4s? that is, is the "slide on" style of wheels/tyres the same? I want some new foams for my mrs4 but the whole entire 18th poppularity is dropping making it hard to find parts. thanks
The m18pro has bolt on wheels. The m18 standard has the slide-on adjustable track wheel setup similar to the micro rs4. Yes the outer wheels for the m18 standard will slide onto the micro rs4 inner wheels. Do not try HPI outer wheels on the Xray inner wheels, you'll never get them off again. We use the Xray brand hard front and rear soft foam tires as our spec tire and run them on both brands of cars.
Search on HPI Micro RS4 and Xray M18. Price per car is $200 to $500 depending on the quality of electronics you want to have. This track is near Ruckersville, Virginia, USA. There's more info about the cars and track on the web address shown at the beginning of the vid.
thats cool
kgombe1 2 months ago
Great - love your track, especially the bridge...
MPZRACEVIDEO 3 months ago
@MPZRACEVIDEO - thanks, we are still racing on it once a week.
harnoishobby 3 months ago
Quote: ''Normally we have more cars racing, but this vid was done to demo the track and to show how smooth and competitive our racing can be.'', Smooth and competitive? 0:07 a cheater :P
KonyaliSelim14 4 months ago
@KonyaliSelim14 - ha, yeah, that was my wife driving the silver car cutting the course there - just getting back in the battle during some warm up laps.
harnoishobby 4 months ago
they sound like crying babies OR pigs:D
robertrozekskates 7 months ago
Hello! What kind of material is this? I need to build a homemade drift track that wouldn't really harm plastic tires... I'm thinking abs plastic, slick, slippery and shiny :)
S+ RATING X'D
7ito1990 7 months ago
@7ito1990 - Our track surface shown here is the smooth kind of concrete, like found in basements or garages typically, that's obviously been painted. We have done some drifting on it by wrapping various kinds of tape around the rubber tires. Electrical tape works, but we also found some slicker stuff that's better, so just se what you can find.
harnoishobby 7 months ago
Ooh, I wish there were two bigger versions of these, one for 1/12 Drift racing and 1 just for touring cars, i think us racers in SG would like that
DMdrcd 8 months ago
Wat kind of cars are those
monkeytits0 8 months ago
you should really make one of those jumping tracks their awesome man
lame3x 8 months ago
I like how you can change the track in seconds. Losi Micro ts would probably be a lot of fun on that track. what are the dimensions. THe Bridge is bad ass
dapitbull2009 8 months ago
@dapitbull2009 - The lane width ranges from 22 to 28 inches plus buffer areas, and the room is about 12 ft by 35 ft. We've fiddle with Micro Ts a little. We couldn't get them to handle well on the slick surface but we didn't make all that much effort either.
harnoishobby 8 months ago
great drivers
Buyetrain 9 months ago
Should be running Kyosho Mini-Zs on that track. They will handle better, run faster, and more aftermarket and option parts available.
TankPanZeR 9 months ago
@TankPanZeR - We used mini-z in the past on a similar track in the same space, but the xray m18 is way more durable, way more accurate, smoother, just all around better driving quality. Either are fast. We've got higher quality digital steering servos, pc programmable speed controls, any transmitter with any programmable features we want, and fundamentally better suspension and drivetrain design. Mini-z are great in their own way but you can only fit so much into them since they are so small.
harnoishobby 9 months ago
@harnoishobby Interesting. Well good work on the track. It looks great!
TankPanZeR 9 months ago
Excellent track
Del350K4 9 months ago
Great looking track! well done.
phil538 11 months ago
this track y for miniz- for kiosho xDD
gartump 11 months ago
@gartump - We get much smoother handling from the Xray m18. They are all around higher quality, mechanically less play in the parts and way better servos for more accuracy, modular electronic components, lexan bodies, etc, built more like 10th scale cars in general. And the M18 is practically indestructible at the speeds run on these tighter tracks.
harnoishobby 11 months ago
@gartump in the future maybe,i buy one of this
gartump 11 months ago
thats awesome dude.... good job
kgombe1 1 year ago
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how can I get a track like this build,do they come fabricated or something I would love to buy asap fredderickmoore@gmail.com
sweetbackthemack 1 year ago
THat track is way too small for those cars. With more cars i would probably call that demolition derby!
chonyc77 1 year ago
@chonyc77 - The best thing about 1/18th scale on-road cars is that if you keep their speed reasonable you can race on smaller tracks that can fit inside your basement, attic, or hobby shop, yet these cars still have the quality and features of larger cars. Any RC car racing turns into a derby unless the drivers are skilled.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
these little cars seem to handle really well. That is a cool track. My local hobbyshop used to have one like that. I dont know what happened to it.
nerdyrcdriver 1 year ago
what bodies are you guys running?
SilverSkyline92 1 year ago
@SilverSkyline92 - jconcepts mini bj4. Look on the Cars page on our website - lots of info and photos there.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
this is sooo epic!!!!!! : )
sakilla929 1 year ago
A small track like that helps build focus.
At least it seems that way to me.
Sweet video^_^
RTiger18 1 year ago
I like the track, especially with the clear overhanging straight, but does it not feel a little constrained with those RCs? I know you are handling them well enough but with a greater number taking part i imagine the width of the track could become an issue.
That's my only criticism though! I think it's brilliantly designed with that aside. :D
Thezeronumber 1 year ago
@Thezeronumber - For beginners it is confining, but the experts are on full throttle a lot of the time, so if it were less confining they'd need faster cars to keep it fun, and then the beginners would be right back to feeling confined. This track has a realistic track width and the cars have a realistic speed. This allows for more controlled and realistic driving and better onboard video compared to bigger track with faster cars.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
@Thezeronumber - Do F1 drivers feel confined at Monaco? And do they still love it?
harnoishobby 1 year ago
@Thezeronumber - If you think about it, the point of any race track is to "contstrain" the drivers to a particular path. If the curves are not enough to restrict the speed then there is no challenge. If the track is wider, the turns are effectively wider, and then you not only need a bigger room but you also need faster cars, then you quickly get to a point where the track is so out-of-proportion to the size of the cars, and then everything is out-of-control and the impacts disrupt the racing.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
@Thezeronumber - Check out my website, harnoishobby, on the articles page, the "Formula Harnois Concept." It's explains all the reasoning behind our super tight track and many other aspects of our racing setup. We've spent a lot of years refining the setup.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
Oh id love to get my drift car on that! So smooth!
killersushi99 1 year ago
ive got a toyota trueno micro rs4 drift. it moves like a butterfly and stings like umm... something that stings
geckoboy222 1 year ago
You should add little walls on the side of the track i see them go off track like little shortcuts alot...
brandon9O7 1 year ago
@brandon9O7 - The drivers can not intentionally gain position by short cutting. There are bumps in the tan areas that slow or disrupt the cars. It is an intentional design aspect of our tracks. It allows the drivers to run up on the curbing and push the limits like real race cars, instead of bouncing off of walls and into traffic causing traffic jams. Search Google Images for F1 Cutting Corners, and you'll see how similar it is. Our website Tracks page has tons of details on track design.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
where can i buy a car like this?
ajcdturner 1 year ago
@ajcdturner - possibly at your local hobby shops, or look on my website on the links page for online stores that sell them.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
Where can I get one?
ajcdturner 1 year ago
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where can i get one?
ajcdturner 1 year ago
where can i get one?
ajcdturner 1 year ago
crazy track lol
BrandonANDBrantonTV 1 year ago
wow where u guys located i wanna go and race...lol
jonguitarist 1 year ago
@jonguitarist - central virginia, contact info & address on our website home page. If you are in the area, let us know.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
besides the bodies, are those stock?
jamiekenta 1 year ago
@jamiekenta - 2.4 GHz radio & Novak Spy ESC. Xray brand adj. tie rods, 6 deg. caster a-arms, & soft rear hard front foam tires. Custom carbon fiber leaf springs and custom alum. center motor mounts. Chassis plate & entire drivetrain including the differentials, and other suspension parts, are stock from Xray M18 standard. Pics and more info on our website, cars page. Recently we've started experimenting with castle creations and lipo batts for the added adjustability and efficiency.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
Thats a sweet track
boatguy117 1 year ago
also... what kind of surface is that they are running on?
akura2 1 year ago
@akura2 - smooth concrete basement floor, that's been painted with household wall paint. check out the website harnoishobby, tracks page, tons of details there.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
I noticed that the cars were running open wheel bodies... what bodies are they?
akura2 1 year ago
@akura2 - JConcepts mini-bj4 body, check out the website harnoishobby, cars page. You might have to rearrange your electronics a bit to fit them under the body, and work out the body mounts, not too difficult. We usually run 6 or 7 open-wheel cars, the crash physics are great.
harnoishobby 1 year ago
how much $
ajcdturner 2 years ago
@ajcdturner In 1998, a couple young guys establish a website call GOOGLE.com. When used correctly, you can extract huge amount of information from it. Give it a shot sometimes :)
emacemacii 1 year ago
track looks awesome where is this?
Xmods98 2 years ago
central virginia
harnoishobby 2 years ago
too bad lol i would love to race here
Xmods98 2 years ago
these are cool how do i get them
ajcdturner 2 years ago
at hobby shops or online hobby stores, see the links page on our website (harnoishobby)
harnoishobby 2 years ago
i dont know what to get a miniz or a hpi
XxCleWZxX 2 years ago
@XxCleWZxX - Get an xray M18. The standard version is fine, and it can be bought RTR. It has a much higher quality driving experience, is more durable and mechanically sound, and can be used in a wider range of environments.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
is dat meant to be drift but if it is is rubish but if it is demolishion derby its better
ney95 2 years ago
This is racing. Our other vids have driving, crashing, and onboard.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
The track is the right size for Mini-Z's. Too small for 1/18th. Would make a great Mini Z track!!
willis67017 2 years ago
@willis67017 - We strongly prefer this tighter track for 1/18th because it makes for more realistic, competitive, and close racing, and much better onboard video as you can see in our other vids. We've been doing it this way since 2003. We have raced Mini-z extensively but the 1/18th scale cars generally have better steering servos, tires, suspension, radios, etc, and thus much better driving quality. Our website, has all kinds of info about racing 1/18th on tighter tracks.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
Somebody knows what theyre doin lol
stge2balt 2 years ago
That is by far the best looking onroad track i've seen so far!!
2stroke4Me 2 years ago
where can i get some of those cars for a low price?
hackerofyoyo 2 years ago
Check out the links page on the harnoishobby website. There are some stores listed there so you can shop around.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
that the nicest track i ever seen
galaxie63punk 2 years ago
That's one good track there. nice one
itsracktime 2 years ago 2
What did you use for the track-surface?
werewurst 2 years ago
The bridge surface is tempered glass. The rest of it is flat black and gray wall paint. On my website (harnoishobby) on the tracks page there's a link to a photo album which has captions with lots of construction and design details.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
These look tiny for 1:18 scale
FLEXTA78 2 years ago
yeah on-road 1:18 scale chassis are about half the width of off-road 1:18 chassis. And the open wheel body is smaller than the sports car bodies.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
hey mate, whats the outside dimensions in mm of the entire car? i'm curious how big these are, thanks. love the vid...
bortho1983 2 years ago
official car dimensions from the xray website (teamxray) - front width: adjustable 98~101mm - rear width: adjustable 104~107mm - wheelbase: 149mm - length: 215mm - in our case the length is less because of our open-wheel configuration - the space they are raced in here is about 4 x 11 meters
harnoishobby 2 years ago
hey I had a question, I am trying to start a RC car business where did you get these cars and where did you get the track? Did you build it your self and how much does it cost? Any Suggs thanks man
bewtus21 2 years ago
The cars are Xray M18. They can be bought at hobby shops or online. We designed and built the track. The cost is a few hundred bucks for materials and a lot of design and construction time. Many details and photos are on the website, along with my email address. Feel free to contact me with questions for more details. We've been experimenting for years and I can definitely help you with your business. Already one hobby shop in Brazil has made a replica track.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
wow you guys are good on that track. it looks hard
bmxryder 2 years ago
It's not so much harder than a bigger more open style track as long as you keep the speed/power of the cars down to a reasonable level. You can race fast cars on a big track -or- race on this tighter style track with more realistically powered cars. Either way it is fun, but this style track requires less room and is actually more fun and realistic.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
if i could i would make carpet tires for my micro t and run it on there! lol
kowal789 2 years ago
this looks fun
phonedogfan 2 years ago
dude i raced that track it was awesome!
bmxerboy54 2 years ago
i wich i had my rc18t on that track. looks fun maibe change to my 15/60 gears first. now i have it on 19/54 for speed. any ways great driving and awsome looking track =D
street58cars 2 years ago
very nice track
TheFiddlyfoo 2 years ago
nice track
BIGFACE08 2 years ago 2
this is sweet
minnesotawild15 2 years ago 2
hi...i have an hpi micro with the modified motor and an duratrax esc but i dont know what motor and upgrades..etc to put and where to buy them?
paralelepipedor 2 years ago
The micro rs4 needs a rear ball diff and front steering linkage and servo upgrade at the least. Otherwise it depends on where you are driving it. Try the yourmicro forum for advice on upgrades. Lots of online stores including towerhobby sell parts for it, and probably your local hobby shop too.
harnoishobby 2 years ago
have you guys ever considered racing RC 18R's
TeamAlphaRacing 3 years ago
Yes, but they are considerably wider which is kindof a big deal due to how narrow this track is and how many cars we have on it sometimes.
harnoishobby 3 years ago
but could you race them if you were just going there to race for fun
TeamAlphaRacing 3 years ago
Yeah probably. RC18T and similar more off-roady vehicles had a tendency to climb the bridge rails and impact the support cables, so we had to quit that real quick. I'm not sure if an 18R would do the same.
harnoishobby 3 years ago
Damn.... the racing is so close and tight, its exciting!!!
zabtom 3 years ago
Thanks. We've worked hard to create the kind of environment where that close racing is possible. Normally we race with about 6 or more cars and then it's much more intense. :-D
harnoishobby 3 years ago
nice track and cars. Do the tire assemblys of m18 fit micro rs4s? that is, is the "slide on" style of wheels/tyres the same? I want some new foams for my mrs4 but the whole entire 18th poppularity is dropping making it hard to find parts. thanks
lukemcclelland 3 years ago
The m18pro has bolt on wheels. The m18 standard has the slide-on adjustable track wheel setup similar to the micro rs4. Yes the outer wheels for the m18 standard will slide onto the micro rs4 inner wheels. Do not try HPI outer wheels on the Xray inner wheels, you'll never get them off again. We use the Xray brand hard front and rear soft foam tires as our spec tire and run them on both brands of cars.
harnoishobby 3 years ago
How much are the cars and where is this?
EnragedKaneMay19 3 years ago
Search on HPI Micro RS4 and Xray M18. Price per car is $200 to $500 depending on the quality of electronics you want to have. This track is near Ruckersville, Virginia, USA. There's more info about the cars and track on the web address shown at the beginning of the vid.
harnoishobby 3 years ago
Man thats alot.....
EnragedKaneMay19 3 years ago
cool track
Triangularism 3 years ago