Looks like a termination with power but maybe the throttle wasn't opened all the way which resulted in the RPM to decay. Not sure though...just my best guess.
Fake huh? Is that why you can see the co-pilots arm move from the collective up towards the instrument panel in the last couple of seconds of the clip?
This is settling with power (Vortex ring state) at it's best.
i build the rotor head for this helicopter and it's stunts like that which stresses and cracks the composite yoke and separates the dampers. crash damage sucks
RC Helicopter with dubbed sound of an actual helicopter still on the ground, or in low hover( the N1and N2 never changed throughout video, but you did get alot of people to bite.
Right thats why it looks remarkably like one of our local stagefields and you can see the left seater's arm move off the collective in the last couple seconds of the video.
It's a clear case of settling with power. You can blame the IP or the lack of slippage marks all you want. Look at the rate of descent vs. the forward airspeed.
@patmagroin20 settling with power does not refer to the engine power. its more complicated than that, it is more accurate to talk of vortex ring turbulence as settling with power is misleading. however this pilot was not in vrt as you can see his descent was arrested at 4 -7 sec.. more like simple loss of rotor rpm due to using it too aggressively earlier. if you lose rpm you lose lift. with "no engine autos" your rpm must be used wisely as you cannot get more. he ran out
@falconx4444 i dont see it "clearly" his descent rate from 10 to 17 sec is not exceeding 4m/s and he also has some forward airspeed which is the solution to settling with power. any vrt would be behind him sufficiently to not cause this. in my opinion this pilot ran out of rotor rpm after flairing aggressively at 7 sec. if it was supposed to be power recovery it explains it. he was not expecting the engine to quit on him. first rule of every auto. expect to have to land.
Attention all you retards who don't know how to read previous posts......the IP was initiating a termination with power and had rolled the throttle back up.....HOWEVER, it was not all the way up so when power was applied, the rotor drooped and the aircraft had a hard landing. This incident you view here is why 58D's now have a slippage mark on the throttles. Nuff said, now STFU all you know-nothing wannabes.
Looks like they made the power recovery ok, but when they went to land w/ power, the tail hit. I'm sure whoever was at the controls is a BN SIP somewhere now...
The Oh-58D's always have had with the skids, I remember they were always replacing the skids cause of cracks from all the autorotation training. Autorotation is really a controlled crash, the objective is to land the aircraft and survive, but in tarining the aircraft get beat up over time. Thats just the way it is. Looks like Hunt Stagefield by the way.
I do recall (20+ years ago) a neighbor at Rucker worked for A.C.E. and he told me the skids of Hueys were filled with rubber dampers but I think even that was too much. After a while most fields there start to look the same.
Personally, I don't wanna fly either....but most pilots I know don't want to fly a new aircraft until the bugs are worked out. It's like people not buying a new car for the first year after it was redesigned.
Broke Nunn-McMurdy limits twice during the contract. Bell couldn't get their shit together so the Army issued stop-work, then a program cancellation. So much for "off-the shelf"
its real for you civilans out there helicopters dont explode when they hit the groung like in hollywood. I have seen many crashes and none have busted out in a fire ball.....
Hah, it really does look like a model, but the last second of the video shows the pilot moving. It's not autorotating, though. Autorotating is a technique used to get some lift to soften a fall after a los of power. This one is under power for the duration of the video.
Yes, in a Hawk we lower the collective to begin an autorotative descent, but we don't take it all they way to the ground with minimum power due to the high cost of a mistake. In US Army flight school, we take the single engine aircraft all the way to the ground with the engine at idle and complete the run-on landing sliding to a stop on the skids. A bad example of this is what you see in the video.
Patmagroin how do I get into Army Flight School..?I am very interested and want to know what is needed in order to get to where you are at..Please let me know..Thanks
im not 100% sure but i think i remember someone saying this crash was actually a 180 auto that was supposed to terminate to a power recovery(power on). i think the instructor forgot to bring the throttle back to full open, and the student unknowingly assumed the power was ready and available. this is why the '58 leveled out at 75 feet. he was trying to terminate the approach to a hover. but probably realized the throttle situation to late and couldnt recover enough Nr.
I don't believe so, but I was curious about that too...The Instructor Pilot is the one that shoulders the responsibility of keeping the students and aircraft operation safe.
yeah but I doubt that they would kick out an instructor pilot just because he probably has so many hours flying that it really wouldnt make sense. Hopefully they dont kick out students for stuff like this.
absolutely yes. first because he failed avoiding the damage, and then because of insurance that will increase its price if the operator maintain this personnel on flight board. That's a adm/business decision. In most case, fire is the way. Unhappy
wrong. the answer is no. the student would not be "kicked out" of flight school just for this alone. Now if the student had several "pink slips", safety violations, etc.. then being "kicked out" is likely. But accidents happen in training. The IP is likely still instructing as well, although he/she won't get a 1-block from his/her rater on their performance report. Accidents happen in flt. school- drive on!
@teiladay I remember "pink tacos", got one in primary for extending my base leg to far and drifted into the parallel runway approach, never did that again, i thought it was the end of the world signing that thing
No, the student pilot will NOT get kicked out of flight school (unless student did a very severe safety violation). The instructor pilot will keep instructing, HOWEVER the accident WILL likely affect his or her OER (officer evaluation report). Insurance isn't a factor. Accountability lies with the Instructor Pilot, who, takes full blame here unless there was a mechanical problem.
most of the 180 auto looked pretty good, his forward airspeed was actually perfect for a full down, you want to stay ahead of ETL durring touchdown. he just didnt level off and pull up collective enough to bleed off the descent rate right at the bottom. most likely a good pilot training full downs for the first time in a new heli and its more his instructors fault for not recovering from this for him.
if any of you fixed wing idiots new any ting about rotary wing you would of realized that the pilot was coming in for a auto rotation and came in a little to fast and just did not pull on the collective enough and the skids folded due to he landed straight down. the pilot was just learning his auto rotation and hrd landing and just came down to fast and a little to ard than what he was supposed to.
Well in fact you are right, but the fact is that i think that it's collective was already consumed by the autorotation. He has been waiting too much for landing, that causes the squids brakes...
It was a student pilot. The helos at the Army Aviation center at Ft Rucker used in training have orange pannels painted on them to indicate trainee aviator.
looks like he was doing an AUTO that gone bad. i noticed he got it back from falling, cam in to ETL, and just came in to hard. those skids are junk too. MPLH is the way to go really. if he would have just used alittle aft cyclic im sure he would have been alot better than the out come. and yes, helicopter pilots have to fly there acft, rather than computers like airplanes.
airplanes like to fly. you set it up and get it cruising so you can open up your magazine. helicopters need a pilot. someone to actually FLY the aircraft. real pilots go rotary. anyway, if you were wondering about this video: the instructor didn't make sure the throttle was fully open before attempting to add enough power to come to a hover. the blades lost rpm and you see the outcome.
Planes also need pilot(s). Yes, a lot of stuff on newer planes are automated. But A LOT of pilots. (Like my uncle who flys for AAL.)Still manually land those birds by themselves. So don't try to tell me that you don't need a pilot in an airplane.
relax guys, helicopter technology is still fairly primitive in a couple decades helis will be like airplanes are now, honestly though I do believe that current Helicopter pilots are much more skilled than current Airplane pilots, the Airplane pilots are more computer based and plug in numbers, (i honestly think that they do this too much now a days)
Oh puhleeze ;) seriously, 'choppers and army flying does wonders for a pilot's navigation skills, but most helicopter pilots (especially in the army) are horrible at instrument flight and couldn't do a nice ILS or VOR approach in bad weather worth a darn. There is more on approach to worry about in an airplane vs. chopper, and you don't have the option of slowing down. Flying OH-58a/c models in the army was great and fixed wing flying is simply a different ball of wax.
Changing airspeed during an instrument approach only makes it harder. Anything more expensive than a Cessna has autopilot. Modern autopilot will fly an ILS all the way to the ground. The fact that a plane flew from Honolulu to Hilo (40 min) and arrived with both pilots asleep says it all. It flew to the outer beacon for the ILS and held for 45 minutes when the pilots woke up and landed. We don't know if anyone has ever fallen asleep flying a helicopter because, if so, they died...
I'm offended by the comment about Army instrument flight. We practice instruments almost everytime we fly. On azimuth and on MDA every time. I can do it with the FADEC in manual.
You can be offended Kdubflyboy, but the truth remains.. *most* army pilots do not practice instruments "every time they fly". That is just ridiculous. You might in a hawk, but most of us who've flown guns or scouts had tactics shoved down the throat as opposed to what happens after IMC. What YOU do is one thing.. I'm talking Army wide. I'm not slamming pilots, but I'm not going to make statements that counter reality either.
I beg to differ with you. Been fixed-wing rated since 1984 rotorcraft since 1989. I became a better instrument pilot after doing it in a uh-1. as a uh-60 pilot in panama I performed the ILS36 at howard a.f.b. with a humvv on the hook after going inadvertant IMC at range 14 on a multi-ship goggle flight. the ITO from the range started at 40ft.AGL. no IAS. try that in your kingair
mightytalon28, you might have performed the most brilliant ILS while slinging a load under goggles. Many of us can relate to critical situations under goggles (chip lights blazing, under goggles in blowing snow north of Casey/mobile in Korea, and having to land on a dam), but that's the exception- not the rule. *I recall that most of the alpha/charlie model 58's I flew, didn't have working VORs, etc.. in the first place. Fly an ILS? Was common 4 Gun pilots not to fair well on inst.
I based my comments on over 4k flight time, 13yrs of watching pilots of all identifiers come into the simulators, and fly jacked up approaches, that would be 2nd hat to the *typical* fixed wing pilot flying cargo in a twin engine piston tin can. I marvel at my mil. time under the rotor- but over the years I've noticed a difference in inst. training emphasis between civ. fixed and mil rotor pilots. We know that a '60 pilot is less likely to mess up inst. appch compared to scout/gun drvr.
You can look at it like this: If you let go of the controls in most airplanes they tend to fly themselves for the most part. If you let go of the controls in most helicopters they immediately try to kill you....
"What the hell is your problem? I landed it didn't I?"
Voyevoda01 7 months ago
Looks like a termination with power but maybe the throttle wasn't opened all the way which resulted in the RPM to decay. Not sure though...just my best guess.
whatthecrunchyo 8 months ago
i wouldn't call this a crash.
TheDevenrocks 8 months ago
He definitely bled off his rotor RPM, look at those blades coning at the end!
sbuzzkill 11 months ago
Well Said It was a REAL HELI CRASH he meant rc heli crash
and lower the iso speed or put a faster shutter speed
escobar12levi 1 year ago
Well Said It was a REAL HELI CRASH he meant rc heli crash
escobar12levi 1 year ago
That was a RC helicopter!!!, jk
JarvisJesseT 1 year ago
He wes just testing the structural integrity of the skids. thats all. :-)
MrGizmo757 1 year ago
It looks like a model helicopter weird angle lol
deltex259 1 year ago
I love how people put in their two cents as if they knew what the hell they were talking about...
deguimerautube 1 year ago
that's Hunt Stagefield SW of Ozark, AL fun place to go watch the helos
Bama71J 1 year ago
Fake huh? Is that why you can see the co-pilots arm move from the collective up towards the instrument panel in the last couple of seconds of the clip?
This is settling with power (Vortex ring state) at it's best.
JoSaDi 1 year ago
i build the rotor head for this helicopter and it's stunts like that which stresses and cracks the composite yoke and separates the dampers. crash damage sucks
flyer892007 1 year ago
@flyer892007 It wasn't a stunt, it was a training failure
patmagroin20 1 year ago 6
@flyer892007 When did a crash become a stunt? What am I missing?
aligerous 1 year ago
@aligerous I was figuratively speaking. Lol, I know it was a crash y'all.
flyer892007 1 year ago
@flyer892007 Duly noted. Thanks for the clarification.
aligerous 1 year ago
thats no RC helicopter thats Ft.Rucker Im shure they will find this guy a new job.
19thSFGA 1 year ago
This sucks. Bet that ruined that guys day. maybe career??
bronco8585 1 year ago
RC Helicopter with dubbed sound of an actual helicopter still on the ground, or in low hover( the N1and N2 never changed throughout video, but you did get alot of people to bite.
4lostinamerica 1 year ago
Right thats why it looks remarkably like one of our local stagefields and you can see the left seater's arm move off the collective in the last couple seconds of the video.
Lawman9C1 1 year ago
@Lawman9C1 - It is definitely Fort Rucker and definitely real. lost in america is lost for a reason....
patmagroin20 1 year ago
@4lostinamerica I'm pretty sure that helicopter sound is another helicopter flying closer to the camera....
FJones9508 1 year ago
@4lostinamerica I like the part in the last couple second's where they make the guy's arm move... Wonder how they did that...??
mrfun07 1 year ago
It's a clear case of settling with power. You can blame the IP or the lack of slippage marks all you want. Look at the rate of descent vs. the forward airspeed.
falconx4444 2 years ago
Since it was a practice auto, wouldn't it be settling "without" power.....?
patmagroin20 2 years ago 2
It wasn't a full autorotation to touchdown. There was an attempt to recover the descent rate by means of power in the last few seconds.
falconx4444 2 years ago
@patmagroin20 settling with power does not refer to the engine power. its more complicated than that, it is more accurate to talk of vortex ring turbulence as settling with power is misleading. however this pilot was not in vrt as you can see his descent was arrested at 4 -7 sec.. more like simple loss of rotor rpm due to using it too aggressively earlier. if you lose rpm you lose lift. with "no engine autos" your rpm must be used wisely as you cannot get more. he ran out
intoxicologist 1 year ago
@falconx4444 I'm guessing you read the mishap investigation?
aligerous 1 year ago
@falconx4444 i dont see it "clearly" his descent rate from 10 to 17 sec is not exceeding 4m/s and he also has some forward airspeed which is the solution to settling with power. any vrt would be behind him sufficiently to not cause this. in my opinion this pilot ran out of rotor rpm after flairing aggressively at 7 sec. if it was supposed to be power recovery it explains it. he was not expecting the engine to quit on him. first rule of every auto. expect to have to land.
intoxicologist 1 year ago
@falconx4444 - SWP? how about low rotor rpm? you need to have power to settle for an SWP,,
ELGreenification 1 day ago
Uhhh...He ran out of Rotor RPM decades ago...
motokid032 2 years ago
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing...or atleast that's what some of our pilots say....lol
chopperchief 2 years ago
nice rc heli
Art456654 2 years ago
that was a good autorotation land. It could have been fatal
GyrfalconAH64D 2 years ago
Attention all you retards who don't know how to read previous posts......the IP was initiating a termination with power and had rolled the throttle back up.....HOWEVER, it was not all the way up so when power was applied, the rotor drooped and the aircraft had a hard landing. This incident you view here is why 58D's now have a slippage mark on the throttles. Nuff said, now STFU all you know-nothing wannabes.
nutzface 2 years ago
free wheel didnt re-engage when they pulled the power back in ?
stozzman 2 years ago
That aint a crash
Nerfshooters148 2 years ago
Looks like they made the power recovery ok, but when they went to land w/ power, the tail hit. I'm sure whoever was at the controls is a BN SIP somewhere now...
Leewenhooke 2 years ago
No doubt.
patmagroin20 2 years ago
This was actually no fault of the IP or the Student. I can't remember what went wrong, but it was a mechanical malfunction of the bird.
smokesnot 2 years ago
The Oh-58D's always have had with the skids, I remember they were always replacing the skids cause of cracks from all the autorotation training. Autorotation is really a controlled crash, the objective is to land the aircraft and survive, but in tarining the aircraft get beat up over time. Thats just the way it is. Looks like Hunt Stagefield by the way.
castlebravo 2 years ago
I do recall (20+ years ago) a neighbor at Rucker worked for A.C.E. and he told me the skids of Hueys were filled with rubber dampers but I think even that was too much. After a while most fields there start to look the same.
DrMotorDude 2 years ago
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Looks like Hunt to me.
flytmech 2 years ago
Looks like Hunt to me?
flytmech 2 years ago
was this at Weide Field?
N444HM 2 years ago
DAMN RIGHT YOU HAVE THIS ON VIDEO?
amapolishplummer 3 years ago
lowrider
sicariodelcielo 3 years ago
landing gear: made in china
looonyGUN 3 years ago
Landing gear - made by the lowest bidder.
azimuth361 3 years ago
THATS A LOUD ass chopper helo
JKSK8ERLIVE 3 years ago
Pilot was a dumb ass! What a waste of a good helicopter. He's fired!
roughrider040 3 years ago
Oops...
sniper034 3 years ago
Can't believe he didn't kill the power immediately. That sucker could have rolled over and really gone to pieces....
ROCKSTARCRANE 3 years ago
Why would u want to fly the Kiowa Worrior when u can soon get your hands on the cyclic of the new Bell ARH-70.
Mockeraina 3 years ago
Personally, I don't wanna fly either....but most pilots I know don't want to fly a new aircraft until the bugs are worked out. It's like people not buying a new car for the first year after it was redesigned.
patmagroin20 3 years ago
the arh-70 has been discontinued bacause of a bunch of bullshit on both the army and bells part. I feel the pain, I'd love to see 407s in the army.
XCraftllc 3 years ago
WHAT SERIOUSLY, THIS IS NEW NEWS TO ME. Do u know why its being discontinued?
Mockeraina 3 years ago
last time i checked its still being built
apoure25 3 years ago
they actually just opened the project for another competition between builders for the best bidder because bell wasn't kepping up to their end..
bridget123107 3 years ago
Broke Nunn-McMurdy limits twice during the contract. Bell couldn't get their shit together so the Army issued stop-work, then a program cancellation. So much for "off-the shelf"
ssgtakeo 3 years ago
"O damn man and we got this on video" lol I want to fly a Kiowa so bad I can't wait to join and fly ;)
ranchhand09 3 years ago
Great post! *****
nighthawk006 3 years ago
Looks like Ft. Rucker Alabama, judging by the paint on the Kiowa
Taylor3124 3 years ago
That it is. Fort Rucker Flight School :)
patmagroin20 3 years ago
is a bad helicopter landing
isn't a crash
lol
sdrfgvrfgvsfravgdsvS 3 years ago
its real for you civilans out there helicopters dont explode when they hit the groung like in hollywood. I have seen many crashes and none have busted out in a fire ball.....
smoothb10 3 years ago
my OH58I did the same thing in hawaii back in 99. 3/4 cav
smoothb10 3 years ago
Hah, it really does look like a model, but the last second of the video shows the pilot moving. It's not autorotating, though. Autorotating is a technique used to get some lift to soften a fall after a los of power. This one is under power for the duration of the video.
admiralnomad 3 years ago 2
It is a practice 180 degree autorotation.
patmagroin20 3 years ago
How does that work? Is he just at min power?
admiralnomad 3 years ago
Yes, in a Hawk we lower the collective to begin an autorotative descent, but we don't take it all they way to the ground with minimum power due to the high cost of a mistake. In US Army flight school, we take the single engine aircraft all the way to the ground with the engine at idle and complete the run-on landing sliding to a stop on the skids. A bad example of this is what you see in the video.
patmagroin20 3 years ago
Ok, I get it. I expected a lot less noise, but I guess that's a safer way to do it.
admiralnomad 3 years ago
Patmagroin how do I get into Army Flight School..?I am very interested and want to know what is needed in order to get to where you are at..Please let me know..Thanks
motokid032 3 years ago
Hey, at least they don't have to steop down to far to get out now...The OH-58 with retractable landing gear...
CropDusterMan 3 years ago
not real, its a model
BlixerWixer 3 years ago
I disagree.
patmagroin20 3 years ago
I agree.
admiralnomad 3 years ago
scratch that.
admiralnomad 3 years ago
What the hell was wrong with the pilot??
ThaiEgho 3 years ago
if i was his CO i'd still be chewing ass! so much so that ass would be my middle name
"Maj. W. Payne
BigRickSharpe 3 years ago
at least he got it on the ground without anything blowing up.
DDelta 3 years ago
Good point.
patmagroin20 3 years ago
im not 100% sure but i think i remember someone saying this crash was actually a 180 auto that was supposed to terminate to a power recovery(power on). i think the instructor forgot to bring the throttle back to full open, and the student unknowingly assumed the power was ready and available. this is why the '58 leveled out at 75 feet. he was trying to terminate the approach to a hover. but probably realized the throttle situation to late and couldnt recover enough Nr.
armyav8r 4 years ago 5
Sounds plausible to me
patmagroin20 3 years ago
would the pilot be kicked out of flightschool for this?
gandhimtb 4 years ago
I don't believe so, but I was curious about that too...The Instructor Pilot is the one that shoulders the responsibility of keeping the students and aircraft operation safe.
patmagroin20 4 years ago
yeah but I doubt that they would kick out an instructor pilot just because he probably has so many hours flying that it really wouldnt make sense. Hopefully they dont kick out students for stuff like this.
gandhimtb 4 years ago
absolutely yes. first because he failed avoiding the damage, and then because of insurance that will increase its price if the operator maintain this personnel on flight board. That's a adm/business decision. In most case, fire is the way. Unhappy
farodkhaledmossad 4 years ago
this is military training tho, dont really think insurance is a factor? or maybe it is.
gandhimtb 4 years ago
lol you are the greatest ever. Decide it pls. LOL
farodkhaledmossad 4 years ago
wrong. the answer is no. the student would not be "kicked out" of flight school just for this alone. Now if the student had several "pink slips", safety violations, etc.. then being "kicked out" is likely. But accidents happen in training. The IP is likely still instructing as well, although he/she won't get a 1-block from his/her rater on their performance report. Accidents happen in flt. school- drive on!
teiladay 3 years ago 8
@teiladay I remember "pink tacos", got one in primary for extending my base leg to far and drifted into the parallel runway approach, never did that again, i thought it was the end of the world signing that thing
krcm1981 1 year ago
No, the student pilot will NOT get kicked out of flight school (unless student did a very severe safety violation). The instructor pilot will keep instructing, HOWEVER the accident WILL likely affect his or her OER (officer evaluation report). Insurance isn't a factor. Accountability lies with the Instructor Pilot, who, takes full blame here unless there was a mechanical problem.
teiladay 3 years ago
most of the 180 auto looked pretty good, his forward airspeed was actually perfect for a full down, you want to stay ahead of ETL durring touchdown. he just didnt level off and pull up collective enough to bleed off the descent rate right at the bottom. most likely a good pilot training full downs for the first time in a new heli and its more his instructors fault for not recovering from this for him.
enderdragoon 4 years ago
Haha what a video..Yeah way to high and Rotor RPM way too low..
motokid032 4 years ago
if any of you fixed wing idiots new any ting about rotary wing you would of realized that the pilot was coming in for a auto rotation and came in a little to fast and just did not pull on the collective enough and the skids folded due to he landed straight down. the pilot was just learning his auto rotation and hrd landing and just came down to fast and a little to ard than what he was supposed to.
KiowaCrew1 4 years ago
Here here!
patmagroin20 4 years ago
Well in fact you are right, but the fact is that i think that it's collective was already consumed by the autorotation. He has been waiting too much for landing, that causes the squids brakes...
lothar2048 4 years ago
dawm..
how many people died in this teribly accident?
EXITUS01 4 years ago
I'm pretty sure no one died in that one. As long as you land/crash with the "dirty side down", alot of crashes are survivable.
patmagroin20 4 years ago
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I thought I heard someone screaming. It sounds like: "Ahhhhhhh my leg, it's away!!!!!!!"
EXITUS01 4 years ago
hahaha you have a very good imagination! lol. The helo just went "thud" not "BOOM BOOM CHUP CHUP CHUP CHUP CHUP!"
YogiAndBooBooAndMe 4 years ago
It was a student pilot. The helos at the Army Aviation center at Ft Rucker used in training have orange pannels painted on them to indicate trainee aviator.
apollo21lmp 4 years ago
Without a doubt. At least the safety center guys didn't have to travel far....
patmagroin20 4 years ago
looks like he was doing an AUTO that gone bad. i noticed he got it back from falling, cam in to ETL, and just came in to hard. those skids are junk too. MPLH is the way to go really. if he would have just used alittle aft cyclic im sure he would have been alot better than the out come. and yes, helicopter pilots have to fly there acft, rather than computers like airplanes.
rsampson007 4 years ago
why must you use big words?!?!?!
blackhawkpilot4 4 years ago
i agree with the GDOEP and the fact that the pilot is on an RFG. But i think if you can STFU and stop being a FJ this pilot may land this heli GFO.
z3063060 4 years ago
WTF?
patmagroin20 4 years ago
forgot to check throttle was open my arse,once uv set throttle to 100% no manual correlation is needed,he just cocked up
xshilox 4 years ago
omg that was shit
LizzyAston 4 years ago
stupid pilot
mehmetkursad 4 years ago
Lol helicopters aren't for him I guess,
maybe he should try airplanes like me!
cutmullets 4 years ago
airplanes like to fly. you set it up and get it cruising so you can open up your magazine. helicopters need a pilot. someone to actually FLY the aircraft. real pilots go rotary. anyway, if you were wondering about this video: the instructor didn't make sure the throttle was fully open before attempting to add enough power to come to a hover. the blades lost rpm and you see the outcome.
kdubflyboy 4 years ago
Planes also need pilot(s). Yes, a lot of stuff on newer planes are automated. But A LOT of pilots. (Like my uncle who flys for AAL.)Still manually land those birds by themselves. So don't try to tell me that you don't need a pilot in an airplane.
cutmullets 4 years ago
relax guys, helicopter technology is still fairly primitive in a couple decades helis will be like airplanes are now, honestly though I do believe that current Helicopter pilots are much more skilled than current Airplane pilots, the Airplane pilots are more computer based and plug in numbers, (i honestly think that they do this too much now a days)
gandhimtb 4 years ago
Oh puhleeze ;) seriously, 'choppers and army flying does wonders for a pilot's navigation skills, but most helicopter pilots (especially in the army) are horrible at instrument flight and couldn't do a nice ILS or VOR approach in bad weather worth a darn. There is more on approach to worry about in an airplane vs. chopper, and you don't have the option of slowing down. Flying OH-58a/c models in the army was great and fixed wing flying is simply a different ball of wax.
teiladay 3 years ago
Changing airspeed during an instrument approach only makes it harder. Anything more expensive than a Cessna has autopilot. Modern autopilot will fly an ILS all the way to the ground. The fact that a plane flew from Honolulu to Hilo (40 min) and arrived with both pilots asleep says it all. It flew to the outer beacon for the ILS and held for 45 minutes when the pilots woke up and landed. We don't know if anyone has ever fallen asleep flying a helicopter because, if so, they died...
kdubflyboy 3 years ago
I'm offended by the comment about Army instrument flight. We practice instruments almost everytime we fly. On azimuth and on MDA every time. I can do it with the FADEC in manual.
kdubflyboy 3 years ago
You can be offended Kdubflyboy, but the truth remains.. *most* army pilots do not practice instruments "every time they fly". That is just ridiculous. You might in a hawk, but most of us who've flown guns or scouts had tactics shoved down the throat as opposed to what happens after IMC. What YOU do is one thing.. I'm talking Army wide. I'm not slamming pilots, but I'm not going to make statements that counter reality either.
teiladay 3 years ago
I'm a Scout! I seriously do an EGI (GPS) approach EVERYTIME I fly here. No hard feelings... Just wanted you to know.
kdubflyboy 3 years ago
I beg to differ with you. Been fixed-wing rated since 1984 rotorcraft since 1989. I became a better instrument pilot after doing it in a uh-1. as a uh-60 pilot in panama I performed the ILS36 at howard a.f.b. with a humvv on the hook after going inadvertant IMC at range 14 on a multi-ship goggle flight. the ITO from the range started at 40ft.AGL. no IAS. try that in your kingair
mightytalon28 3 years ago
mightytalon28, you might have performed the most brilliant ILS while slinging a load under goggles. Many of us can relate to critical situations under goggles (chip lights blazing, under goggles in blowing snow north of Casey/mobile in Korea, and having to land on a dam), but that's the exception- not the rule. *I recall that most of the alpha/charlie model 58's I flew, didn't have working VORs, etc.. in the first place. Fly an ILS? Was common 4 Gun pilots not to fair well on inst.
teiladay 3 years ago
I based my comments on over 4k flight time, 13yrs of watching pilots of all identifiers come into the simulators, and fly jacked up approaches, that would be 2nd hat to the *typical* fixed wing pilot flying cargo in a twin engine piston tin can. I marvel at my mil. time under the rotor- but over the years I've noticed a difference in inst. training emphasis between civ. fixed and mil rotor pilots. We know that a '60 pilot is less likely to mess up inst. appch compared to scout/gun drvr.
teiladay 3 years ago
You can look at it like this: If you let go of the controls in most airplanes they tend to fly themselves for the most part. If you let go of the controls in most helicopters they immediately try to kill you....
patmagroin20 4 years ago
Damn straight! A fixed wing flys perfectly fine by its self untill some asshole pilot comes and changes the direction it wants to fly in :)
blingy99 4 years ago