StarCraft 2 - PuMa [T] vs Hasu [P] G4 (Commentary)

[Nejina1]

ANTI SPOILER..

[Ulimitedpower1]

Also, a two base toss does NOT have double the income of a one base Terran. It's more 1.666 because of MULES, and because of the worker AI. Hasu was also not fully saturated until maybe the end, mainly due to the great banshee harass (1-1-1 is supposed to be countered by 1 gate expand, but Hasu got his robo I think after the third gateway. If he had only made one more gateway before robo, he might have had a serious lead and won.) this game is great proof of how TvP is so delicate: there are no

[Ulimitedpower1]

Also, colossus is not the counter to 1-1-1. Read what the pros say, the power of this build is that it hits when Toss have one colossus max without thermal lance, which marine tank can easily deal with. Also, colossus sacrifices gateway units, and that means an overall smaller army. this is why so many people have complained about the build(s), because marines are not OP, tanks are not OP, but MARINE TANK is OP. The reason Hasu lost is because he lost a lot of probes, and had to make a decision

[Ulimitedpower1]

Kaydarin amulet was removed bc it allowed insta-storming. Warp in 10 HT, blanket storm and then morph into archons.

[ME2Renegon]

Sure, ravens can still drop PDD. But ht with amulet upgrade? OMFG imba - nerf out of game! Blizz really needs to fix terran.

[ianman6]

@ME2Renegon Amulet upgrade?

[ME2Renegon]

@ianman6 Khaydarin Amulet used to allow High Templar to spawn with enough energy to storm... only real viable way to stop drop harass aside from going phoenix.

[ianman6]

@ME2Renegon No I know what it was, I just didn't understand why you mentioned it in your comment, it seemed unrelated to the rest of what you said.

[ME2Renegon]

@ianman6 HT used to be one of Toss's primary options for getting past PDD since they can feedback. However, since the HT nerf, it's extrememtly risky for toss to go HT before colossi. As a result, the HT nerf has made PDD even more powerful than it used to be. I'm ok with Blizz taking away Amulet, but they need to address the imbalance that it created in the PvT matchup.

[ianman6]

@ME2Renegon They have in some regards. PDD is not commonly a factor in the matchups (though it is a very viable option). Usually if a T goes 1/1/1 vs a P (which is quite common) then the first thing they go for is cloak Banshee harass before P gets detection. They then follow up with whatever, maybe stopping Banshee production and go into Raven. But by that point, if the P isn't too far behind, PDD isn't a deal breaker, especially since T should be focusing on Vikings for countering Colossi.

[acipswich]

this push is not pro at all...is so fucking gay even platinum noobs can do it....blizzard should try and nerf this cause is almost impossible to hold it

[The123rte]

Banshees FTW



[Amomentforever]

good series, but TERRAN IS OP

my god, I am a protss too and terran is just motherfucking overpowered if you let them make timing pushes or start dropping, doing banshee stuff, its like so OP.

As protoss you have to make 1 decent attack, if it fails GG

[thesketchydude118]

@Amomentforever stop QQing i play toss too terran has a few imba thigns but nothing game breaking if hasu had collosi or dec ffs you can gut that real fast guardian shields help too obvs. complaining doesnt change anything just learn to beat it

[HJaySC]

@thesketchydude118 You dont go collossi against 1/1/1. Hasu had the right unit comp but took way too much damage from the 1st banshee.

[alex4527]

@Amomentforever you certainly dont know how to play protoss then ...

[Plusimurfriend]

nice

[TheGenetic1]

pro !

[insight1337]

Lovely lovely banshee :)

[SciHacke]

how many forcefields are needed at the ramp to the expo? was confused why hasu did not try to turtle in his base. for sure he had double the income of puma. 1 or two more minutes and the game could have ended complete differnetly

[Kiniler]

@SciHacke If HaSu had allowed himself to get trapped inside his base, the siege tanks would contain him from below the ramp and then leapfrog closer untill PuMa, with his highground spotting from banshees and range advantage from tanks, would push away the sentries then move in and slowly siege down the natural. HaSu would have needed to funnel his troops down the ramp to prevent that from happening, turning the advantage of the ramp totally in the favor of PuMa.

[markomancikas]

MORE MTG CONTENT! i strated playing again just because of your videos :D found my old "kamigawa" edition cards :o

[WowKame]

Youtube, is now YOULAG!~

[jasonissohandsome]

new screen control looks great force

[NoUploadsEver]

the distraction to delay the push was wonderful, but having no observer at the final battle forced hasu's hand. He had to charge the siege line before the banshees killed him, where the tanks and a pdd waited.

[MadBagOfHorses]

Hasu's delay tactic was beautiful and simple. It bought him a lot of extra time. Not having an observer in the right place at the right time sacrificed a lot of the strength that time allowed him to muster, though.

So close to taking it to a 5th. Still a fan of Hasu, Puma as always... beast-moding it up.

[SHSAllStar25]

Does anyone else come home after a long day of work and watch some Force commentaries to relax?

[ViriMortalis]

How would you defend against the terran push?

[drizzt94720]

Why do people vote up spoilers!?!

[AcidBugler]

@drizzt94720 lol the fact there is no game 5 should have already given it away if u watched the other games...

[Joak11]

hasu played awfull , he let the banshe to kill probes and then he didint get ob in army wtf was that , anyway im tired to watch 1-1-1 on puma and silly tosses loosing to that shit

[valeriy1987]

what was the point of getting 3rd and 4th immortals when he already had a robo bay?

[Mitchell9oh5]

lol never played sc2 but this was actually enjoyable to watch

[SeuGualda]

@Mitchell9oh5 It's more to watch than play. =)

Well, at least if you are as bad as I am.

[rockatheman1]

ANTI BITCHES

[masterofthor]

why did puma make 3 supply.depots at 6:25 ?

[Kenji314159]

@masterofthor because he was supply blocked for quite some time and needed to build many units.

[bubba18sar]

@masterofthor Because the terran supply jumps up really fast when doing this build. 1 Tanks/4 marines/a banshee and maybe an scv per round of units being made. That's 1 supply depot for every round of units and they come out fast.

[masterofthor]

@bubba18sar yes, but considering that at that stage you can make more than 2 depots worth of units at a time, i would think it betr to just build 2 and an extra rax . (note, this will demand he build another 2 in a timely manner unless he was about to lose his whole army, but that shouldnt b a problem for a pro :P)

[wilpich]

@masterofthor supply blocked?

what else would he do with the extra minerals?

[felipeduque99]

Is it just me or did Hasu like not read all the signs... Not sure why his obs wasn't there for the fight... He saw it coming a mile away...

[ecokrazy]

I always get really frustrated watching games like this. I don't want to spoil anything, but yeah. Really frustrating to watch -_-

[salutcmoixd]

@ecokrazy noone will thumbs up your comment so u won't spoil anything

[slayerdark0]

if protoss had could use chrono boost as a scan that banshee wouldn't have killed 10 probes >_> freaking Terran

[Aznblack0ps]

Puma

[Aznblack0ps]

Clocked banshe

[arkaros0]

looks like am am also the 304th viewer

[EtGftw]

Hasu played so bad it's not even funny. And I'm a P.

[Repanocho]

@EtGftw ye ye, you could have beaten Hasu in this game couldn't you? lulz

1/1/1 still so good

[ImperatorZed]

I'm a Zerg player, I hate Toss with all my heart, but I really feel for poor Hasu here...

[siegetank55]

everyone qq'ing.. LOL

[DarkMoon309]

fucking hell, even a pro cant push back this shit all in . I dont see how ppl still saying other that QQ about T being OP becoz they suck . T is so fucking ridiculous. 104 vs 90 and 104 lost ?! and 90 supplis, more than half is the dirt cheap pure marine, while 104 are all expensive unit ?!

[siegetank55]

@DarkMoon309 i see what you did thar

[bubba18sar]

@DarkMoon309 Zealot are expensive?? I suppose a banshee that is 150/100 and siege tanks that are 150/125 are cheap? It's pretty much the same in resources.. 104 vs 90.. So Hasu had some more probes. You mad bro? Hasu played greedy and had a late Robo.. he lost 10 probes. If he didn't it could be a totally different game. Bad toss was bad.

[DarkMoon309]

@bubba18sar r u fucking insane . WHO the fuck compare zealot with tank and banshee . Dumbass . 104 vs 90. i belive hasu army is more expensive than Puma, consider marine is so damn cheap , no gas cost , Banshee and tank = gas cost of immoral and all those stalkers, I believe u r in bronze and never face this build b4 . Noob . no need to reply. I dont talk with noob. Peace out

[bubba18sar]

@DarkMoon309 ARe you dumb? Did you see how many zealots he had? 104-90 is only because Hasu had more workers. That's not ARMY supply you fucking retard. Thats overall supply count. Zealots cost no gas right? Just like the marine. Half of Hasu's army was the dirt cheap zealot that you can chrono out faster than a marine.  I rape with the build on the ladder.. I know what it loses to because I do the same build. Hasu lost because he was greedy and had a late robo and lost 10 workers. EZ PZ

[DarkMoon309]

@bubba18sar mad bro ? Why say such big words ? I believe u rape on BRONZE ladder leauge, just shut up , ok .?

[bubba18sar]

@DarkMoon309 That all you have to say? BRO? I rape on Masters Ladder. SON! Add me to find out.

[DarkMoon309]

@bubba18sar hahaha, nah man . I dont play with noob =)) . Waste my time . by wat u said, i believe u never face this build b4, so no point talking with u :))

[bubba18sar]

@DarkMoon309 Your English is fucking bad. Please stop posting on Youtube with your shit English. BTW. I figured you were scared pussy.

[DarkMoon309]

@bubba18sar yeah watever makes u feel good mate . :))

[DarkMoon309]

@bubba18sar and how is it called a " late robo " whille it is built around 6 mark ? u just show how bad u really r , noob .

[bubba18sar]

@DarkMoon309 It's a late robo just like if terran didn't have detection in time for when DT's hit. You dumbfuck.

[wilpich]

@bubba18sar w000000000000000rd

[hucpot]

GZ!

[innerbeast415]

Hasu charged into the tank line... @#$#@!$#@$!#!#!$@$

Hasu is a good player with several interesting builds... Why the shit was he only using his chrono 'd 1 gate into death ball PvT... Where the hell is my Zealot/Archon?!?!? HASU!!! NO!!!!

[alwaystheirtocomment]

Puma is a bitch

[Fredricbl]

I'm the original 307th viewer

[Lazris59]

@Fredricbl I am watching this 3 hours after you and I am the 304th >.>

[Fredricbl]

@Lazris59 Time Travel

[OctaneBreak]

Screw terran

[ColaAlchoholic]

It would be funny if the Point defense drone blocked zealot attacks.

Zealot swings, Drone stings it's blade over and over, got to be frustrating.

[Lazris59]

@ColaAlchoholic Would be funny. I could see him throwing the blades off and just punching shit. Protoss zealots are CRAZY! If they die, they come back as a dragon and then later an immortal... they LONG for combat, according to sc1. but that would be quite OP but it would be funny. Just life if a marine stimmed and then all his bullets were shot down.. he would be all cracked out on stim packs and be PIST! lol

[Supsup516]

You know you love sc2 when you're below the 300 viewer

[Toxicflu]

Hasu sucked

[ancientemblem]

@Toxicflu wait, he is a pro and you aren't. so im pretty sure he is at least better than you and he can at least take a game from a korean terran.

[paycon116]

Yep... this is how you get Code S

[Limitlesszebra]

No observer ready for the banshees that destroyed a dozen of your workers and that would be in the upcoming push you already scouted. Oh, and running directly into a siege line with point defense drone support. Well done toss, well done...

[hpandora12]

@Limitlesszebra it was either that or you lose all ur immortals and fight with nothin when you dont have an obs you cant really expect to micro..

[Limitlesszebra]

@hpandora12 care to re-phrase that into something that makes sense?:D

[Lazris59]

@Limitlesszebra He means that if he did not attack the clocked banshee's would kill all his immortals and no micro would stop then. He didn't have an observer so he just ran in, but i think hasu should of at least put his immortals in front to take the first tank volleys. But he has to go in, the banshees that were cloaked would of kill all the immortals.

[Limitlesszebra]

@Lazris59 yeah, but he lost 12 workers prior to the push, you'd think he'd have the sense to pump some observers.

[ZixacunX]

wow..... plot twist

[RealQuall]

ha

[RealQuall]

-_-