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[ryuendaiko]

When I started kudo it was hard giving up Kata at first. I ended up finding some ryukyuu kempo guys to crosstrain with so I could learn some realistic bunkai.They were the real deal. Funny though. the bunkai was completely different to what they teach in most karate dojo. Much more effective in self defence application. But perhaps not so effective against the trained fighters I would have to face in Kudo competition.It didnt blend well with my MuayThai based striking either.So I dropped it.

[ryuendaiko]

10 years later I have no regrets. Bottom line is, the time spent on kata can be put to more productive use with more effective training methods such as those used in Muay Thai and mma. There is a lot to learn in Kudo. Striking clinching throws grappling submission.... add to that strength training and cardio. I'm soo busy every day I couldnt possibly spend any valuable time and energy on Kata. Much as I appreciate a well performed kata, It has no place in Kudo.

[ryuendaiko]

Interesting that my vid has spawned this little discussion on Kata.I came from a TKD/Karate/kung fu back ground too. We did a lot of patterns with very little or unrealistic kata interpretations. The lack of realistic applications and sparring was one of the things that eventually turned me away from traditional MA. Dispite this I was very good at kata and really enjoyed it. I even did some wushu for a couple of years when I went on a bit of a non violent tangient for a while.Haha

[chitah6]

Its to bad you think that about kata. It is a great training tool that I feel you are looking right past. Maybe you should check out some other styles with more "practical" kata, ie. Ashihara or Enshin. Please understadn that I have seen many kata that, IMO, have no great use, but there are so many that are easily applicable to modern training.

[scarred10]

@chitah6 there are no practical kata since they involve no timing,reflexes and distance perception.The closest useful thing would be shadow sparring and thats the only type of non contact training you should be doing.

[chitah6]

@scarred10 If you asre not applying the techniques that are in the kata, the I would agree with you. Bunkai is the missing component for many people. I studied TKD for several years and it is sad to say, but I have yet to find a TKD school that practices applicationof their kata, On the other side of that, Japanese and Okinawan school(the majority of my training) make bunkai a key piece to kata training. IMO, you have only been on the "bad|" side of kata training. Try another style.

[scarred10]

@chitah6 there is no good side to kata training,its not opinion,its a fact.I know all the applications of every tul I ever did and not 1 was effective,its the same in every art.If some application of a kata was effective,it could only ever be made useable by live drilling with resistance ,motion,timing and contact in which case why not just do the adaptation and forget the kata.

[chitah6]

@scarred10 It is still your opinion and it looks like on that is not going to change. Have a good day.

[scarred10]

@chitah6 its a fact.If you are familiar with the transfer of training effect,youd know that you cant train without timing,motion and contact and resistance and expect it to transfer to real skills in sparring or self defnse.Shadow boxing and shadow wrestling are the only air dills useful because the techs are identical to those used in matches but lack many essential requirements so are only supplements to sparring and padwork which are the main training methods

[chitah6]

@scarred10 As I stated, you are entitled to your opinion.

[elkysunnykuri]

This is not karate.Just new sports.

[KatsumotoUchija]

is there kudo in NY???

[ryll3]

He would gain more profit by cutting through the pad, 45 degree angle with the hip, and straight onto the pad-holder... Old muay thai way.

[shuriken86]

does this styl utilize the karate straight punch?

[billysue2]

@shuriken86 none of the punching is strictly karate its all boxing,they do the reverse punch like a cross not as taught in karate dojos.

[shuriken86]

lol we need this in US preferrably in southern CA, lol in Corona at that too!!

[someguy6481]

Kudo is now in the UK:

Kudo-uk (.) com

[lion8dragon]

unbelievable training. Is this daido juku? And in which gym this take place on? Is this the kudo Hombu?

[billysue2]

@lion8dragon theres nothing unbelieveable about it,its thaiboxing in a gi.I actually see no karate in kudo,to me it just proves that virtually everything taught in karate is done better by other styles.

[ATACXGYM]

@billysue2 I understand and appreciate where you're coming from but the sentiment is dramatically incorrect.I train in karate and MT and a variety of other disciplines.As the saying of my GYM goes:"IT'S NOT JUST WHAT YOU KNOW,IT'S HOW YOU TRAIN".The great functional utility of techniques like backfists,knife hands,ridgehands,palm strikes,wristlocks,simultaneou­s punches and kicks,the various methods of executing kicks,kicking combos,and that typify "karate training" are instantly apparent

[billysue2]

@ATACXGYM kudo has virtually nothing to do with karate except the philosophy and uniform,its actually antikarate,uses effective training methods and no horseshit kata.Its what all karate should have been ,had the founders actually known anything about real combat.

[ATACXGYM]

@billysue2 Again,we're worlds apart here.You seem to think that people menaced by armed opponents would develope as a countermethod an ineffectual martial art that has somehow lasted thousands of years.Again,this is far more reflective of your perception of karate and effective training methodology than it is of karate or Muay Thai itself.Kata--when you know its purpose--is incredibly important for the purposes that it serves.

[chitah6]

@billysue2 Its truly funny that you say Kudo has no kata, especially since Hombu is currently working on developing kata for Kudo. Before you say things, you need to listen to those who know. ATACXGYM and I sometimes disagree on things, but we both know what we are speaking about. Kata is not a bad thing. It is just a very misunderstood thing. Often by those who are defending it.

[scarred10]

@chitah6 if kudo developes kata using karate techs it will be a complete waste of training time and contrary to everything else they do.Kata should be like shadow boxing,use exactly the same techs and execution as sparring.Kata is a bad thing in that it takes away from time spent on effective methods.In many traditional arts it takes up large portions of training.Id be interested to hear what you think kata is for.

[chitah6]

@scarred10 If I had to take a guess at how the kata will "look" or be layed out, I suspect that they will be in similar fashion to the Ashihara Kata. Kata is not an ineffective method of training. IMO, kata is for teaching flow of technique, exercise, breathing, stance work, balance training,........., just like any other training tool.

[scarred10]

@chitah6 you havent a clue,none of those things you mention are used the way they are practised in kata so doing kata wont improve them.For example the balance developed through kata is specific only to kata,not anything else.Its a form of exercise of course if you did it for long enough but not near as effective as other exercise methods for conditioning,I cant think of anything its good for except passing grades.

[chitah6]

@scarred10 I am kinda wondering what your background is that makes you an expert on the area of kata? And anything martial arts related?

[scarred10]

@chitah6 17 yrs itf tkd,15 yrs sub wrestling and bjj,2 yrs thai,2 yrs boxing and last 5 mma,several of them trained concurrently.Ive a masters degree in exercise physiology and work as a sports coach right now specialising in swimming and soccer

[scarred10]

@chitah6 17 yrs itf tkd,15 yrs sub wrestling and bjj,2 yrs thai,2 yrs boxing and last 5 mma,several of them trained concurrently.Ive a masters degree in exercise physiology and work as a sports coach right now specialising in swimming and soccer so ive a good grasp of what training is effective from a scientific and practical viewpoint,kata is not on the list,its purely tradition.

[chitah6]

ch@scarred10 So, with 17 years of ITF TKD, I take it you never practiced any of the Tul/Hyung? ITF TKD is built off of the Tul/Hyung, so it does seem odd that you would have practiced a style that has 24 forms for 17 years. .

[scarred10]

@chitah6 i spent the first 10 yrs in a very traditional school where about 80% of the time was wasted on tul and air punching,then I moved to poland where it was more like kickboxing with 20 % tul and we all competed in fullcontact tournaments and did padwork like boxers.Patterns are needed if you want to grade ,nothing else.

[ATACXGYM]

@billysue2 when trained correctly.They are extremely valuable techniques and options."Karate" means "empty hands" so actually there's NO DIFFERENCE in the essence of ANY striking method except for HOW IT'S TRAINED and THE PURPOSE OF SAID TRAINING.So train realistically,functionally,acq­uire real fighting skill and develope the strong honorable clean character of a true martial artist rather than merely a pugilist,and have fun while you're doing it.

[shidopanther]

very good!!!

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