Have to agree with Hermonie here. While I think feminism has its problems (including a tendency to devolve into a kind of pseudo-religion), the only images of women in old sci-fi were highly sexualized and objectified versions of women - Uhura, the original Cassie, etc. That the new BSG tried to break with that is to its credit. Don't worry - mindless macho male flicks will never die, simply because too many women- including some feminists - ultimately embrace the bs protector male ideal.
@Cap285 When I was a kid I wanted to be Starbuck. Now they have some alpha-female playing the role, the kind that kicks men in the bollocks every once in a while. I guess this 'equality' thing means that women should be aggressive. that's about it. regarding tv shows, i have noticed that there is an increasing tendency to throw in characters and subplots designed to cater to female sensibilities. There is hardly a series left that has been spared. They douse everything in estrogen.
It was a pretty good series. Definitely had a lot of the feminist fantasy bullshit in which Starbuck could box men (lol). But I have known some hard-drinking, hard-fighting women who liked to get in bed as well. I really can't think of any women in this show who were feminine, which is odd. But at least it wasn't an affirmative action wash filled with tokens.
The thing is, if everyone is male, there's not much room for sexual tension and relationship problems. Well, they can, but that's not going to go over well with the family coalition.
It's kind of garbage now... Frak you! if you haven't seen the godsdamn ending, don't take someones word for it. I'm 8 episodes away from the end and it still kicks ass so don't say shit like that.
"Biology trumps ideology." Except there is no proof for any ~biological influence on behavior.
Thank you for mansplaining why all women should be "nurturing" and "feminine", and for pointing out what a travesty it is that (God forbid!) some women in popular media are now actually being portrayed as multi-dimensional and as fully-realized as male characters have been for a long time!
TV sells. It don't matter if it's Wheaties or ideology it's still selling. Bogart would smoke two puffs off a cigarette and throw it away 'cause Tobacco Co's paid the studio to show it. Showing women as equal to men in all things is doing all of us a great disservice, as it's unrealistic and unattainable for most women. This BS is sold on TV as 'new normal', as something to strive for and it's wrong. Women get messed up in the head. Snotty, smug girls end up living unhappily alone and bitter.
@brasso4u its like what you said TV sells. And women are the majority of the TV audience. In fact, women have so much more spending power than men that advertisements are catered to women and we see that in TV. Its not about reality, its about selling and showing a woman beating up a man sells like hot cakes to other women because they love that woman on man violence, it turns them on and gets them to spend like nothing else
Hmmm, looking back at this, I can't help but wonder if Pro-Male/Anti-feminist Tech saw this, before writing his piece at The Spearhead. What do you think?
It's due to cultural-marxism and the individual below me (vegatax) might want to look up minnesota transracial adoptions studies as well as minnesota twin studies. Pick up Steven Pinkers The Blank Slate while you're at it as well and you'll understand why what you said runs contrary to the facts of reality which ramzpaul described. I dont know if he studied this himself, but from one who has, he is right.
No. The brain is plastic and can learn new task's and recognize new patterns in order for the genes to best survive. Recognizing norms and not be ostracized from the group would in earlier stages of human development save them from being banned and thus decrease their chance of surviving. All that has happened is that we have learned new patterns (governed by fear and cognitive dissonance) which runs contrary to what's natural for the genes to survive.
Im sure you've heard of conformity and how cults can recognize introduce new patterns of behaviour to people, socializing them, conditioning them until they autosuggest. Cults can become collective suicides. This is not normal as all things wants to survive, evolve, be better. So you can use certain emotions to the point where it overrides the most fundamental necessity for life. This is what the modern society does. Elevates what's bad and denegrates what's good. And punish dissidents with guil
and sometimes even give them psychological retardation labels and equates anything that doesn't follow the modern agenda created by the men in power as "people with problems" "kooky", people not worthy to listen to, people who should be saved from themselves, who need treatment. This universally objective righteousness, this self-righteous arrogance is what creates the problems. Evolved society you say, what's evolved with people's, culture's dying, crime increasing, economic growth decreasing?
People feeling more depressed and spending more time behind the tv, trusting their neighbours less? Is that progress? People fearing to object and say what they feel, people not being allowed to freely associate, have their own media, not being independent from government is progress? Is this to "evolve". I dont know what world you live in missy... but your progress is usually associated with devolution, decadence and degradation.
You have just articulated the many reasons why gender stereotypes are oppressive. We live presumably in a more evolved day and age and not in a feudal society. Our frontal lobe-executive reasoning centers of the brain have evolved. We are not merely pack animals who live in submission to an Alpha.
Feminists fuck everything up, they are fuckers. Rapes and assaults arn't a big deal, they don't happen as much as they say it does. Sexual Harassment is bullshit, no one can pre determine what words or offensive until they are said because it's about context, but depending on what mood someone is in, they may or may not cry sexual harassment. I don't want a muscular woman, if I did, I'd just get with a man. No one said shit when M.I.A. went on stage to dance her ass off then going into labor...
She could have caused irreparable damage to the child just by dancing as hard as she had. Feminim is a license for female stupidity. There is nothing sexier than a woman nurturing a child. If a feminist isn't having fun then they get mad and you are accused as being a sexist or you are "repressing" them. First off, there is no patriarchy, second, it's oppressive, no one can "repress" you, repression is only from within, just because you can say something doesn't mean it's correct.
I fight MMA, and we see this at the club, we get girls in there, wth are we souppsed to do with this. They come in and want respect but at same time EVERY guy goes about 30%, & is worried the whole time these chicks are gonna get hurt. The females, OVER & OVER try to explain away, as intermentenally get there ass handed to them as different men ALLOW them to execute but ocasionally step it up to say 70% & all of a sudden the female is getting her ass kicked. So brainwashed = SO CONFUSED.
Something I came up with in Jr. High: If she's tough enough to hit, she's tough enough to get hit.
Still its fucked up that women even want to fight men at all. Men don't want to fight women. Feminists and those who promote it have brainwashed women into competing with men and it's completely screwed things up for all of us.
@Truth0rDeath no....actually thats complete shit, any girl can throw a "punch" doesnt mean theyll stand up to a hit in the jaw.... like comon would u really expect too see some highschool girl stand up to a guy in a fist fight
@Truth0rDeath well..yeah thats obviouse but movies make young girls in primary to highschool think they can punch guys around, guys of coarse are tought not too hit back but for those few bastards who do, girls can get seriously injured and its wrong
Have to agree with Hermonie here. While I think feminism has its problems (including a tendency to devolve into a kind of pseudo-religion), the only images of women in old sci-fi were highly sexualized and objectified versions of women - Uhura, the original Cassie, etc. That the new BSG tried to break with that is to its credit. Don't worry - mindless macho male flicks will never die, simply because too many women- including some feminists - ultimately embrace the bs protector male ideal.
Bab5Blake7 1 month ago
I think of the real Starbuck, Dirk Benedict.
Cap285 4 months ago
@Cap285 When I was a kid I wanted to be Starbuck. Now they have some alpha-female playing the role, the kind that kicks men in the bollocks every once in a while. I guess this 'equality' thing means that women should be aggressive. that's about it. regarding tv shows, i have noticed that there is an increasing tendency to throw in characters and subplots designed to cater to female sensibilities. There is hardly a series left that has been spared. They douse everything in estrogen.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada Ha! I always wanted to be him too!
"They douse everything in estrogen." Man, have you got that right.
Cap285 1 month ago
It was a pretty good series. Definitely had a lot of the feminist fantasy bullshit in which Starbuck could box men (lol). But I have known some hard-drinking, hard-fighting women who liked to get in bed as well. I really can't think of any women in this show who were feminine, which is odd. But at least it wasn't an affirmative action wash filled with tokens.
xychr0 9 months ago
Really Pissed my Dad off. I just thought it was really obnoxious we both stopped watching.
TheAetherspeak 10 months ago
The thing is, if everyone is male, there's not much room for sexual tension and relationship problems. Well, they can, but that's not going to go over well with the family coalition.
Othelie 1 year ago
It's kind of garbage now... Frak you! if you haven't seen the godsdamn ending, don't take someones word for it. I'm 8 episodes away from the end and it still kicks ass so don't say shit like that.
Bionicraft1 1 year ago
"Biology trumps ideology." Except there is no proof for any ~biological influence on behavior.
Thank you for mansplaining why all women should be "nurturing" and "feminine", and for pointing out what a travesty it is that (God forbid!) some women in popular media are now actually being portrayed as multi-dimensional and as fully-realized as male characters have been for a long time!
hermionethebrain 1 year ago
@hermionethebrain get back in the kitchen
topperheartramada 1 month ago
TV sells. It don't matter if it's Wheaties or ideology it's still selling. Bogart would smoke two puffs off a cigarette and throw it away 'cause Tobacco Co's paid the studio to show it. Showing women as equal to men in all things is doing all of us a great disservice, as it's unrealistic and unattainable for most women. This BS is sold on TV as 'new normal', as something to strive for and it's wrong. Women get messed up in the head. Snotty, smug girls end up living unhappily alone and bitter.
brasso4u 2 years ago 2
@brasso4u its like what you said TV sells. And women are the majority of the TV audience. In fact, women have so much more spending power than men that advertisements are catered to women and we see that in TV. Its not about reality, its about selling and showing a woman beating up a man sells like hot cakes to other women because they love that woman on man violence, it turns them on and gets them to spend like nothing else
wohodude100 1 year ago
Hmmm, looking back at this, I can't help but wonder if Pro-Male/Anti-feminist Tech saw this, before writing his piece at The Spearhead. What do you think?
And yeah! Dirk Benedict's article was awesome!
menareangrynow 2 years ago
It's due to cultural-marxism and the individual below me (vegatax) might want to look up minnesota transracial adoptions studies as well as minnesota twin studies. Pick up Steven Pinkers The Blank Slate while you're at it as well and you'll understand why what you said runs contrary to the facts of reality which ramzpaul described. I dont know if he studied this himself, but from one who has, he is right.
ComradeJonson 2 years ago
Regarding our frontal lobe has evolved.
No. The brain is plastic and can learn new task's and recognize new patterns in order for the genes to best survive. Recognizing norms and not be ostracized from the group would in earlier stages of human development save them from being banned and thus decrease their chance of surviving. All that has happened is that we have learned new patterns (governed by fear and cognitive dissonance) which runs contrary to what's natural for the genes to survive.
ComradeJonson 2 years ago
Im sure you've heard of conformity and how cults can recognize introduce new patterns of behaviour to people, socializing them, conditioning them until they autosuggest. Cults can become collective suicides. This is not normal as all things wants to survive, evolve, be better. So you can use certain emotions to the point where it overrides the most fundamental necessity for life. This is what the modern society does. Elevates what's bad and denegrates what's good. And punish dissidents with guil
ComradeJonson 2 years ago
and sometimes even give them psychological retardation labels and equates anything that doesn't follow the modern agenda created by the men in power as "people with problems" "kooky", people not worthy to listen to, people who should be saved from themselves, who need treatment. This universally objective righteousness, this self-righteous arrogance is what creates the problems. Evolved society you say, what's evolved with people's, culture's dying, crime increasing, economic growth decreasing?
ComradeJonson 2 years ago
People feeling more depressed and spending more time behind the tv, trusting their neighbours less? Is that progress? People fearing to object and say what they feel, people not being allowed to freely associate, have their own media, not being independent from government is progress? Is this to "evolve". I dont know what world you live in missy... but your progress is usually associated with devolution, decadence and degradation.
ComradeJonson 2 years ago
You have just articulated the many reasons why gender stereotypes are oppressive. We live presumably in a more evolved day and age and not in a feudal society. Our frontal lobe-executive reasoning centers of the brain have evolved. We are not merely pack animals who live in submission to an Alpha.
vegataxkc 2 years ago
Sir, you are exactly right!
JazzyZenBrotha 2 years ago 2
Feminists fuck everything up, they are fuckers. Rapes and assaults arn't a big deal, they don't happen as much as they say it does. Sexual Harassment is bullshit, no one can pre determine what words or offensive until they are said because it's about context, but depending on what mood someone is in, they may or may not cry sexual harassment. I don't want a muscular woman, if I did, I'd just get with a man. No one said shit when M.I.A. went on stage to dance her ass off then going into labor...
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
She could have caused irreparable damage to the child just by dancing as hard as she had. Feminim is a license for female stupidity. There is nothing sexier than a woman nurturing a child. If a feminist isn't having fun then they get mad and you are accused as being a sexist or you are "repressing" them. First off, there is no patriarchy, second, it's oppressive, no one can "repress" you, repression is only from within, just because you can say something doesn't mean it's correct.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
A. The aggression is a manufactured chip on their shoulders which is driven by contempt for men.
B. One of many aims of indoctrinating masculine women is to ensure they'll be more competitive in the workplace.
The opposite holds true for boys. Making them docile & whipping posts for the women around them.
luckyvet 2 years ago
I fight MMA, and we see this at the club, we get girls in there, wth are we souppsed to do with this. They come in and want respect but at same time EVERY guy goes about 30%, & is worried the whole time these chicks are gonna get hurt. The females, OVER & OVER try to explain away, as intermentenally get there ass handed to them as different men ALLOW them to execute but ocasionally step it up to say 70% & all of a sudden the female is getting her ass kicked. So brainwashed = SO CONFUSED.
EFC100t 2 years ago
Something I came up with in Jr. High: If she's tough enough to hit, she's tough enough to get hit.
Still its fucked up that women even want to fight men at all. Men don't want to fight women. Feminists and those who promote it have brainwashed women into competing with men and it's completely screwed things up for all of us.
Truth0rDeath 2 years ago 6
@Truth0rDeath no....actually thats complete shit, any girl can throw a "punch" doesnt mean theyll stand up to a hit in the jaw.... like comon would u really expect too see some highschool girl stand up to a guy in a fist fight
rayne7echo 1 year ago
@rayne7echo Then they don't need to be trying to punch a dude.
Truth0rDeath 1 year ago
@Truth0rDeath well..yeah thats obviouse but movies make young girls in primary to highschool think they can punch guys around, guys of coarse are tought not too hit back but for those few bastards who do, girls can get seriously injured and its wrong
rayne7echo 1 year ago
Ancient Spartans aspired to many similar ideals. It led to a culture of constant and perpetual warfare.
stevinmarin 2 years ago 4
@stevinmarin is the difference between 'constant' and 'perpetual' big enough to warrant the use of both terms?
topperheartramada 1 month ago
3:54 , yep
BabyHominid 2 years ago 2