What F1 fans (veterans fans) were fortunate enough to be presented - was Senna and Prost as team-mates - it was the equivalent of Mohammed Ali V Tyson - the 2 all time greats head to head! [I rate Schumacher somewhere analogous to Larry Holmes]
sterling moss said in the 1988 fia review that senna vs prost was one of the best things he saw in f1, because it was the 2 top drivers in the top car fighting fair and square for the title, for sure it was the best battle between teammates that anyone could ever saw or see
How about Ali vs George Foreman? The rumble in the jungle in 1974? Let's not forget that Foreman is still considered one of the all time greats, and he still holds the record of being the oldest heavy weight world champion when he won it aged 45.
I rate Schumacher analogous to Rocky Marciano, a champion in an era which had little talent and no real challengers.No disrespect to Marciano but he beat an old Joe Louis and retired before the new batch of talents arrived.
WRONG - In 32 GP together Senna got 26 poles Prost only 4. Senna won more races both seasons. In 89 it looked close on papaer at 6-4 to Senna - but in reality ALL 4 of prosts wins were inherited when Senna had mechanical failure whilst leading. (Plus Senna had 1 other MF where Boutsen inherited the win). So the true score would have been 11 nil. (12-nil as Senna was disqualified in Japan by Balestre to hand the bogus Title to Prost. Senna pulverised Prost and thats why Prost ran away to ferrari.
it's funny how they said Prost inherited Senna's wins due to Senna's mechanical failure but they are totally blind to the 3 races Raikkonen lost in 2005 due to mechanical failure which Alonso inherited, and Raikkonen clearly led in all these 3 but retired
when Senna retired with mechanical failure he was pushing hard, no big deal, but when Raikkonen was pushing hard, he was a car breaker
Senna was great. I am just saying how selective people think.
Some mechanical failures are driver error - some are engineering failures - Kimi launching a car over high kerbs lap after lap is asking for a suspension breakage- but in 89 Senna had pure engineering failures- electrics in USA, engine stooped in Canada, oil hose broke off in Italy, transmission sheared on restart in France, gearbox jammed in Britain. That he had 5 mechanical failures whilst leading and STILL won the most races is testimony to his utter superiority in 89. Shouldve been 12 wins!
well Kimi didn't retire because of suspension breakage in any race in 2005
neither in 2003
if you want to know one driver that would have almost twice the number of races he actually won look at Jim Clark, who lost 3 titles in 62,64 and 67 only due to mechanical failure, in 62 and 64 in the last race while comfortable leading for almost the entire races
It's usually the engine or the transmission
not to mention McLaren were nowhere near as reliable as Ferrari in 2000-2006
Good example - so like Senna, Clark too would have had superior stats to Schumacher had they both had the advantages of 21st century engineering standards of reliabilty.
Schui is over-rated - his stats are good but he had advantages the other greats never even dreamed of - the best car most of the time, near-perfect mechanical reliabilty and team orders.
So by that rationale Kimi Raikkonen was the real champion in 2005? After all Alonso also inherited 3 wins from Raikkonen when he was leading. In 2 of them Raikkonen had to retire with mechanical failure, which lost him 20 points (and gave Alonso 4 extra for free). In one race one can say it was Kimi's fault for flatspotting a tire, but he still was leading going into the final lap of the race, when the tire blew.
Kimi 20pts+,Alonso 4pts-. Kimi is champion. Which would be fair.
Oh I agree Senna was faster than Prost. I also believe Senna deserved all 4 titles in 1988-1991. But, IF all points were counted like they are today then Prost would be champion both in 1988 and 1989. Some could argue that Prost took care of the car better than Senna, thus had fewer technical problems, that's the same argument Alonso fans usually have. I'd compare Alonso to Nelson Piquet though.
Btw, didn't Mansell pulverisize Piquet in 1987? 6 wins to 3. Yet Piquet was champ.
Only in Qualifying was Senna that much faster than Prost. I think you'll agree that the races were an entirely differernt matter. Senna still had the edge in terms of speed but no-one had/has a better brain than Prost which helped him beat Senna on many occasions.
Prost was constant. He had the ability to make the same lap time many times. Senna was aggressive. He was "win or wall". But Senna had still amazing racing skills. His best year was 1993 when in a much worse car, he beat Prost in many races.
actually the McLaren MP4/8 was a very good car, but was let down by the underpowered Ford customer engine, which wasn't even as good as the one in the Benetton
Senna was just as consistent as Prost - and at a touch higher race pace. Prost's superiority was in minimizing tyre degradation whilst maintaining still extremely good speed - a very very great talent indeed he had.
But if the used harder tyres (or had refuelling windows allowed more regular change of tyres) Senna would have been free to pound round at near his quali pace - as Schui was later able to do in the refuelling era.
yes thats true - with no refuelling the art of tyre preservation is going to be returned - how convenient for schumacher that the refuelling era happened to occur during almost his entire career - it's almost as if the maFIA changed the rules to negate the effects of the ferrari driver's weaker skills (he was a tyre demolisher too.)
True - but GREAT driver's often spin in practice in order to really learn the limits - and then they DONT do it when it counts - quali and race.
Gilles Villeneuve spun 17 times in practice in his first race (Silverstone 77) and was written off as an incompetent idiot- it only dawned on people later that he did it almost deliberately as he had limited time to get up to speed.
Senna and Schu too spun in practice far more often than races- its OK when its strategic.
Takuma Sato is OK. May have never one a race, but bloodly hell is he brave. Does anyone remember Suzuka 2004, or was it 2002, not sure. And then there is Canada last year!
Look good game tell whats please!
Tanagushi 4 months ago
@Tanagushi the game is grand prix 4 with the f1 1988 mod
Corvoreviews 4 months ago
What game mam?
Tanagushi 4 months ago
Fuckin games. Couldn't you put that it was a game in the title?
AlexGRFan97 9 months ago
Is he related to Kazuki Nakajima?
CaseyTheHedgehog1 1 year ago
@CaseyTheHedgehog1
Father/son
defaultoasis 10 months ago
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this is beatyful!!!!!!!!!!!
hanamate 1 year ago
What F1 fans (veterans fans) were fortunate enough to be presented - was Senna and Prost as team-mates - it was the equivalent of Mohammed Ali V Tyson - the 2 all time greats head to head! [I rate Schumacher somewhere analogous to Larry Holmes]
mallamoozoo 2 years ago 2
sterling moss said in the 1988 fia review that senna vs prost was one of the best things he saw in f1, because it was the 2 top drivers in the top car fighting fair and square for the title, for sure it was the best battle between teammates that anyone could ever saw or see
Corvonix 2 years ago
@mallamoozoo
How about Ali vs George Foreman? The rumble in the jungle in 1974? Let's not forget that Foreman is still considered one of the all time greats, and he still holds the record of being the oldest heavy weight world champion when he won it aged 45.
I rate Schumacher analogous to Rocky Marciano, a champion in an era which had little talent and no real challengers.No disrespect to Marciano but he beat an old Joe Louis and retired before the new batch of talents arrived.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
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uhhhhh fueraaaaaaaa
oscarvolator 2 years ago
im pleased to see Nakajima won.
now, were YOU racing as him?
FordFusion2006 2 years ago 4
at the game gran prix 4 using the f1 1988 mod
Corvonix 2 years ago
i mean was this a video of YOU driving the yellow car. or was the car just one of the ai computer driven cars.
FordFusion2006 2 years ago
it's me, I don't think I'm skilled enough to play as senna, mansell, prost or piquet XD
Corvonix 2 years ago
yes, he raced as him, and, nakajimas best result was a 4th place.
KillerDreck89 2 years ago
good but the 1988 brazilian GP was not in Interlagos
dddboyington 3 years ago 13
Senna was often 3 seconds a lap faster than Nakajima - but Senna was often 1.5 seconds a lap faster than Prost, who himself was very fast.
mallamoozoo 3 years ago 4
senna was also often in the gravel trap when Prost happened to be on track as well
DoctorNumber46 3 years ago
WRONG - In 32 GP together Senna got 26 poles Prost only 4. Senna won more races both seasons. In 89 it looked close on papaer at 6-4 to Senna - but in reality ALL 4 of prosts wins were inherited when Senna had mechanical failure whilst leading. (Plus Senna had 1 other MF where Boutsen inherited the win). So the true score would have been 11 nil. (12-nil as Senna was disqualified in Japan by Balestre to hand the bogus Title to Prost. Senna pulverised Prost and thats why Prost ran away to ferrari.
Brainman94 3 years ago 5
it's funny how they said Prost inherited Senna's wins due to Senna's mechanical failure but they are totally blind to the 3 races Raikkonen lost in 2005 due to mechanical failure which Alonso inherited, and Raikkonen clearly led in all these 3 but retired
when Senna retired with mechanical failure he was pushing hard, no big deal, but when Raikkonen was pushing hard, he was a car breaker
Senna was great. I am just saying how selective people think.
AlexDeLarge90 2 years ago 2
Some mechanical failures are driver error - some are engineering failures - Kimi launching a car over high kerbs lap after lap is asking for a suspension breakage- but in 89 Senna had pure engineering failures- electrics in USA, engine stooped in Canada, oil hose broke off in Italy, transmission sheared on restart in France, gearbox jammed in Britain. That he had 5 mechanical failures whilst leading and STILL won the most races is testimony to his utter superiority in 89. Shouldve been 12 wins!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
well Kimi didn't retire because of suspension breakage in any race in 2005
neither in 2003
if you want to know one driver that would have almost twice the number of races he actually won look at Jim Clark, who lost 3 titles in 62,64 and 67 only due to mechanical failure, in 62 and 64 in the last race while comfortable leading for almost the entire races
It's usually the engine or the transmission
not to mention McLaren were nowhere near as reliable as Ferrari in 2000-2006
AlexDeLarge90 2 years ago
Good example - so like Senna, Clark too would have had superior stats to Schumacher had they both had the advantages of 21st century engineering standards of reliabilty.
Schui is over-rated - his stats are good but he had advantages the other greats never even dreamed of - the best car most of the time, near-perfect mechanical reliabilty and team orders.
1. Senna
2. Prost.
3. Clark
=4. Mansell/Schumacher
6. Fangio
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
@Brainman94
So by that rationale Kimi Raikkonen was the real champion in 2005? After all Alonso also inherited 3 wins from Raikkonen when he was leading. In 2 of them Raikkonen had to retire with mechanical failure, which lost him 20 points (and gave Alonso 4 extra for free). In one race one can say it was Kimi's fault for flatspotting a tire, but he still was leading going into the final lap of the race, when the tire blew.
Kimi 20pts+,Alonso 4pts-. Kimi is champion. Which would be fair.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
@Brainman94
Oh I agree Senna was faster than Prost. I also believe Senna deserved all 4 titles in 1988-1991. But, IF all points were counted like they are today then Prost would be champion both in 1988 and 1989. Some could argue that Prost took care of the car better than Senna, thus had fewer technical problems, that's the same argument Alonso fans usually have. I'd compare Alonso to Nelson Piquet though.
Btw, didn't Mansell pulverisize Piquet in 1987? 6 wins to 3. Yet Piquet was champ.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
Only in Qualifying was Senna that much faster than Prost. I think you'll agree that the races were an entirely differernt matter. Senna still had the edge in terms of speed but no-one had/has a better brain than Prost which helped him beat Senna on many occasions.
PiNInFarina18 2 years ago
Prost was constant. He had the ability to make the same lap time many times. Senna was aggressive. He was "win or wall". But Senna had still amazing racing skills. His best year was 1993 when in a much worse car, he beat Prost in many races.
silentman2006 2 years ago
actually the McLaren MP4/8 was a very good car, but was let down by the underpowered Ford customer engine, which wasn't even as good as the one in the Benetton
AlexDeLarge90 2 years ago
Senna was just as consistent as Prost - and at a touch higher race pace. Prost's superiority was in minimizing tyre degradation whilst maintaining still extremely good speed - a very very great talent indeed he had.
But if the used harder tyres (or had refuelling windows allowed more regular change of tyres) Senna would have been free to pound round at near his quali pace - as Schui was later able to do in the refuelling era.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
That sounds exactly like what I think we will see in 2010:
Racing styles:
Senna vs Prost = Hamilton vs Button
fiktiv666 2 years ago
Man - with all due respect - Hamo v Button aint NOTHIN' compared to the battle of F1's 2 all-time GOLIATHS Senna and Prost!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago 2
I meant that they will be in the same team and they both have a very distinctive driving style.
Hamilton like Senna fast but hard on tires, Button smooth and easy on the tires like Prost. With no refuelling this'll all matter very much!
fiktiv666 2 years ago
yes thats true - with no refuelling the art of tyre preservation is going to be returned - how convenient for schumacher that the refuelling era happened to occur during almost his entire career - it's almost as if the maFIA changed the rules to negate the effects of the ferrari driver's weaker skills (he was a tyre demolisher too.)
DocBrewster 2 years ago
he was almost a andrea de cesaris when you talk about spins in pratice or race
Corvonix 2 years ago
True - but GREAT driver's often spin in practice in order to really learn the limits - and then they DONT do it when it counts - quali and race.
Gilles Villeneuve spun 17 times in practice in his first race (Silverstone 77) and was written off as an incompetent idiot- it only dawned on people later that he did it almost deliberately as he had limited time to get up to speed.
Senna and Schu too spun in practice far more often than races- its OK when its strategic.
But Naka was not such a case
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
you mean andrea de crasheris?
WeDieYoung1083 1 year ago
@WeDieYoung1083
yep XD
Corvonix 1 year ago
Takuma Sato is OK. May have never one a race, but bloodly hell is he brave. Does anyone remember Suzuka 2004, or was it 2002, not sure. And then there is Canada last year!
craighp101 3 years ago
Yes, and also this year Takuma's SUPERSTART is well.
collacheral 3 years ago
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japanese drivers are terrible!!
polakbr 3 years ago
Keiichi Tsuchiya is terrible?
ABUNAI888 3 years ago
Wat game is this?
birrman2008 3 years ago
Gran Prix 4 1988 mod
Corvonix 3 years ago
Haha, you almost lost it in the final corners with the backmarkers :D
tu as presque perdue dans les dernières tours
Guimengo 4 years ago
thankfully I was very slow, so it was ok =P
Corvonix 4 years ago
yeh definately taku is the best to come from japan... nakano and takagi came in and left straightaway.
davisnguyen87 4 years ago
Taku Is the best from Japan. I agree.
chriswhyte 4 years ago 2
Sato was better than Nakajima...
But Satoru was a Great japanese driver too... 16 points.
Go , Sato ad Nakajima!!!
Great video!!!
showtimethemusic 4 years ago 15
and theres me thinking that Japenese drivers can't drive.... well, except Sato
liverpool365 4 years ago
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ya takuma sato is the only one that can drive
djv2448 4 years ago