Fact: All 'christian' symbolism long predates the era of Jesus.
Fact: Jesus is mentioned by no contemporary in another culture.
Fact: Jesus, if a real man, only fully alligned with the Living Christ...which is the form of God in reality. If a real man, he was murdered for attempting to enlighten the common man.
I need not achieve any 'standing' via Timothy or any other dusty tomb. I retain my domestic rite, and do not cede said to any iteration of divine rite.
@exodus20v8 No, it does not. The 'Bible' does not state valid history, only a heavily redacted version written by a priesthood shedding its skin for greater comouflage. The Greek is as error ridden as the Latin.
The only true church is the church overarching, which 'rulers' have never properly admitted and have ever errantly applied...so as to ply a trade upon the backs of ignorant men.
John Adams was quite correct when he stated that Calvinist divines were as dangerous as their Roman foils.
@exodus20v8 Actually, the seven day cycle is a new con-ception. When the creator comes and nudges me I'll listen. Until then, books written by Roman scribes then planted amongst the protesters to keep them 'down on the roman farm' even while protesting will be treated for the lies they are.
God certainly cannot be ignored, but those who don't even acknowledge his cycles are far from him. Nice attempt at linking me to 'Darwin'.
Evolve in Sanskrit renders: unchanged from inception.
The valid sabbath falls on the 9th day, which in ancient times was also Market Day. Sabbath Eve fell on the eighth night, which was quite harmonious. Todays 'week' is an entirely arbitrary length of time.
It is interesting that certain cultures still maintain calendars in which the day you were born on is the day of your birthday every year, regardless.
'Christians', those who reach an errant conclusion to all thought (not to mention proper application of morality in most cases).
@exodus20v8 Get a life. You do know you are quoting a book that was seeded amongst you 'christians' by the thoroughly Roman Erasmus (who never left the side of Rome), don't you?
As for twaddle, none so married to said than those married to superstitions born of illiterates (those who murdered the true 'Gentiles', burning books everywhere they went and starting the European 'dark ages'.
Fact: Calendars change due to precession and 'novel' astronomy, the lies of Popes notwithstanding.
When you can change a mans Calendar and Language, you may enslave him without his knowing.
Fact #1 The Cosmos Moves.
Fact #2 The 'Sabath' (if at all valid) Moves with the Cosmos.
Fact #3 The length of a 'week' is arbritrary unless predicated on the movement of some part of the Cosmos.
The western conception of 'sabbath'...the day needed to rest the oxen (and later the horse). Its conception under the Ancient Christianism (noted by John Adams)...longer than 7 days.
The Sabbath was the last day God created the earth, and it was observed my the Jews as Saturday. They obeyed the Law in which God gave to Moses about keeping the Sabbath holy. When Jesus came to the earth to die on behalf of our sins, He went around professing and repeating all the Commandments except for one. He did now say anything about keeping the Sabbath holy. It was upon the creation of the Christian church began it was on Sunday because He rose that day.
@ Starbtw.. I posted that comment a year ago. I was trying to convey that sometimes minor details should not block our view when it comes to the main issue. I did say that a day should be honored as the Lords day. But I see your point. Did not mean to offend anyone, God bless.
This is just the tip of the iceburg concerning the modern christian lifestyle that God has sent to cause people to fail when they have no love for the truth.....
Could someone please explain to me Acts 20:7? "And upon the FIRST day of the week, when the disciples came together to BREAK BREAD, Paul PREACHED unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."
Plus the "SUNDAY LAW" that are trying to pass which is getting ready to usher in the worshiping of the ANTI-CHRIST is on SUNDAY-which will be mandatory and Christians will have to go underground...because they keep the sabbath on SUNDAY!
The question is, is the sabbath the true seal of the church? Is the Church sealed by the sabbath and is the sabbath a perpetual sign for the church?
Paul said to the Galations
But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
After conducting a thorough research on the "apostle" Paul and comparing his doctrine to that of Christ's, God has revealed to me that Paul is a false apostle.
He wasn't commissioned by Jesus in Matthew 10, he didn't replace Judas, his name is not on the 12 foundations of New Jerusalem cited in Revelation 21.
As such, the Holy Spirit is telling me to avoid Paul's message and "anti-law" mind set.
I will abide by the Law of God not some lunatic who claims to work for God.
yes those who do not except the truth, usually do what you have done and denounce the word of God. Pauls Gosepl was different from Peters yet Peter acknowledges Pauls calling, even the elders the Apostles chosen by Christ in the book of acts reckognized that Paul had been called
Perhaps you should have researched the authenticity of 2 Peter, which has been considered a 'pseudipidgraphical' (meaning written after the death of the apostle Peter) before you accuse me of "denouncing the word of God."
Simply because I do not adhere to your Pauline doctrine and how the way the Bible was canonized, in no way implies that I have "denounced" the TRUE Word of God which is Christ Himself (John 1:1-3).
your intitled to your own beliefs, my bible that i have which is the word of God all fits together. They mesh well as a well fitted Glove and i am sorry that you canot see that. The book of acts however is from Luke and still supports Paul and the Gospel which is given him from Christ
So you basically reject nearly all of the new testament? the book of Acts, romans, 1 and 2 corinthians, thessalonians, philemon? titus, 1 and 2 timothy..galatians, ephesians, hebrews etc..and on the list goes?
Paul was accepted in the book of Acts by the apostles themselves. I believe you wish to deny him because you know he taught that the law was fulfilled in Christ. I don't think you really understand how Christ fulfilled the law, nor do you really want to.
2 Peter 3:15-16 (NIV) Look what Peter wrote about Paul, 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction
He said beware of false prophets obvious he wasnt one
Paul was a prophet of YHWH. His letters do not contradict any other Scripture. When passages from his letters are taken as a contradiction, that is because of lack of understanding. Just like with the rest of Scripture. That YHWH spoke through Paul in his latter days has been proven to the world, though most the world doesn't even realize it yet, but is starting to to some extent. This proof is manifest in the very existence of the Catholic church, its history, dominance, and deception.
3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? (continued)
1 Thess./2 Thess. written by who...PAUL, who was a PHARISEE.
Philppians 3:5 "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee."
Christ condemned the Pharisees as being of the devil, the father of all LIES. (Jhn 8:44). They don't know God, neither do they let others enter the kingdom of heaven:
Paul with his doctrine does not allow others who are about to enter the kingdom of God to do so:
Matthew 23:13 "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."
He did not condemn all Pharisees for being Pharisees. He was referring to those certain Pharisees who were hypocrites and were more concerned with technical law & tradition than the spirit of the law.
Also, since you completely missed my point, the passage I quoted was a prophecy of the future. It came true. That is one way we confirm whether or not a work was breathed of GOD. It is a clear picture of the church falling away, and the pope rising up.
Christ did condemn the Pharisees who were adding or even taking away from the Law of YHWH to satisfy their own traditions.
Matthew 15:9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
An example of Christ condemning the Pharisees for taking away from the Law of YHWH which Paul has done is:
Matthew 23:23 " Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have OMITTED the weightier matters of the law..."
And so with Scripture you prove my point. Yahushua did not ever condemn all Pharisees for simply being Pharisees. He condemned those who are guilty of the charges He lays against them in the verses you quoted.
And so, here is also pronounced a condemnation for many modern religious people as well. For the Catholic Beast... er, Church I meant, for denominations, for many Christians.... But not for Paul, who taught to keep the law, but wrote letters that were hard to understand.
By the way, the Pharisees taught(teach) they have absolute authority on earth to interpret Scripture, even above YHWH. For example, they took Exodus 23:2, which commands to NOT incline after the majority to pervert justice, and they eliminated some words in their teaching, leaving, "incline after the majority"!
Paul is not saying in Colossians 2:14 that the Law was blotted out & nailed to the cross. The word is not law, but "dogma!"...........
.......in Colossians 2:15, Paul elaborates, saying that Yahushua(the Messiah) made a show of the rulers in public. To look at the gospel accounts(and to know about the Pharisees' insistence on "oral law"), one sees that Yahushua constantly breaks... not the Law, but the Pharisees' oral law, and defeats their arguments. This is what was nailed to the cross! Not the Law, but the "dogma"(as the greek says), used by the rulers, whom Messiah made a show of in public! Paul points this out.
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with Colossians 2:14-15.
However, what I absolutely agree with is that Christ did not abolish the Law. Rather, He showed us how to observe it in Spirit and in truth, to show love and mercy to those who need it most.
Colossians 2:14 mentions that the "handwriting contained in ordinances" was done away with.
So, my question to you is: What are the "handwriting of ordinances" that Paul is referring to in Colossians 2:14?
As I said, the word is "dogma." That is the word which is translated to "ordinances." MANY take it to mean the law, but it is referring to the added religious tradition posed as law by the rulers, who the Messiah made a show of in public(by breaking their oral traditions, and defeating their arguments).
Paul does not teach that the law was blotted out and nailed to the cross, but the extra things, the oral tradition(the Talmud, Mishna, Midrash, Gemarrah, etc.); the dogma.
Again The Sabbath was revieled to Moses according to Nehemiah, the sabbath was a day set aside for rest, it was commanded to rest, never commanded for worship. The sabath was a perpetual covenat to Israel. God also said this Keep MY Sabath(S) to them
not just saturday, but new moons, Jubeliees, sabbaticals, day of atonements there is weeky, monthly, yearly and you have to keep them all there all apart of the Sabbaths if you obey the old covenant
Actually, Yahweh is also pagan. Another name for Jupiter(the Roman Zeus) was Jove, with the older pronunciation of these letters being more like IOUE( ee-ah-oo-ay ). In other words, the sound was exactly: Yahweh. So this is one way the Romans said the name of one of their pagan gods.
The name of the one true GOD is: YaHuWaH. This correct pronunciation is kept in most of the other Hebrew words that are a combination of part of the name, and another word.
At some point(more recently relative to history), Jews started avoiding speaking the name, so when reading from the Torah, or the Tanak, when they came to the name, instead of reading it, they would say, Adonai, Elohym, or Ha Shem(literally: the name). The scribes who added vowel marks for pronunciation in Scripture added the marks for Adonai, or sometimes for Elohym, on the name, so one wouldn't actually repeat the name when reading it. From these incorrect marks come Jehovah, and Yahweh.
when looking at the new testament, the saboth day was the only complete day that god was dead. That kind of is why it was designed to be holy. and all of creation backs that up. only 1/7th of the earth is land, and so on a so forth.
The Sabbath day has always been and will always be holy. No one, not even Jesus, can fulfill this sabbath because it points all the way back TO the completion of Creation. Unlike the Sabbath, the annual feasts, sabbaths, and new moons were done away with at the cross because they were pointing TO the redeeming power of Jesus Christ.
Mark 2:28 proclaims Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:9-11, Revelation 20:14, Revelation 1:10, Isaiah 58:13
"The Sabbath day has always been and will always be holy."
The interesting thing to note is that the seventh day hasn't always existed, thus the sabbath had a beginning and thus couldn't have been part of God's eternal character, thus it can be changed without changing his character.
God never had a beginning and has always been holy. The sabbath hasn't always been around, and the first instance of man keeping it was with Moses.
The context of the Sabbath command given in Exodus 20 parallels its creation in Genesis 2:
"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."-Genesis 2:2-3
"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."-Exodus 20:11
Thus, the Sabbath existed during the time of Adam and Eve.
God's name existed at the time of Adam and Eve too, but the scriptures state:
Exd 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them
We see that he didn't tell everyone his name either. Even though he created something, or if it existed previously, doesn't necessarily mean he revealed it to mankind until the given time
Consider Jesus, he was revealed in the latter times, but he obviously existed before
DID U EVER STOP AND THINK MAYBE THE LORD IS TRYING TO LEAD U NOW ???? the lord wonts us to worship his way not mans ...... i hope u hear me bro i cant even find a church that gos to church onthe 7th yet i am the church not some bilding god bless bro
the fact that we are gentiles does not exclude us completely...
but we are under a new covenant..
abraham made a covenant with God
which included him and his descendants..
and to get on the personal side..
i am not goin to HELL for attending church on sunday..
and IF i was wrong i know that the Lord would show me and i have always been obedient to his voice. to the holy spirit. i think all people should stop trying to send people to HELL and start thinking about if there goin to heaven....
ot doesnt matter what day we worship the Lord .. the Bible never gave a commandment or ab order to go on the sabbath.. at least not to the gentiles.. it is a waste of time to be acusing everyone, dont worry on these things worry if your ready for the comming of the lord
ustravel16, I have two questions,1)Please I pray thee, show me in the scriptures where any of the 10 commandments wher made of none effect? Which,by your theology,your saying commandment number four has been thrown away we no longer need it,(in reality your calling GOD a liar),because He said in Malachi,
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;
2)Tell me how do you explain this from Revelations, (cont)1
(ued)1 Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (cont)2
dragon = satan, wroth = mad, woman = church,(SDA as a matter of fact) and went to make war(should be self explanitory) with the remnant of her seed = those who have come out of babylon, woken up to the apostacy in the worldly churches,which are the daughters of the harlot beast. But why is satan making war with the remnant? could it be because they keep the comandments of GOD? Including number 4 the one the world has been taught to forget, the one God said to REMEMBER? hmmm
tHAT'S LIKE SAYING "WHO CARES WHAT DAY YOUR BIRTHDAY IS ON LETS JUST CELEBRATE IT ON DAY WE WANT TO." SORT OF DEMEANS IT REALLY. GOD SANCTIFIED SATURDAY, ITS A COMMANDMENT AND ONCE YOU REALISE, YOU KEEP IT OUT OF LOVE. ITS FUNNY HOW SUNDAY WAS IMPORTANT BUT NOW THE TRUTH IS REVEALED IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT DAY. NEXT PEOPLE WILL SAY ITS LEGALISM TO NOT MURDER.
Without the law there is no sin. In the New Testament it says that we have become Israelites through belief in Jesus and come into all there promises. Jesus kept the Sabbath and was only criticised for supposed work. We worship God everyday and keep the day he made holy and no where in scripture has that changed. Please dont believe the lie I once believed, God will bless you for keeping his day and going against the tide of man made tradition.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
sotatophsam, I really pray that you see the truth about the sabbath. I hope you study the scripture for yourself and don't take peoples opinions as truth (even mine), let the Holy Spirit show you. I felt the same as you at one time but God has shown me that there is only one day that shows he is our creator and that's the Sabbath.
GOD cares what day the SABBATH is on, He was very specific as to what day He said to rest and Worship on, and He knew satan was going to attack it, thats why he said to REMEMBER it. A THUS SAITH THE LORD is this not what really matters?
"If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words."-Isaiah 58:13
First of all, Pat, it is completely illogical of you to assert that you can worship yourself.
Moreover, it is even more erroneous of you to say we arenlt supposed to worship God on the day he sanctified.
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help...........
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help...........
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help...........
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help...........
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help..........please study you bible some more just like the girl said God knew that satan would attack the SABBATH God was just preparing us...
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help..........please study you bible some more just like the girl said God knew that satan would attack the SABBATH God was just preparing us...
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help..........please study you bible some more just like the girl said God knew that satan would attack the SABBATH God was just preparing us...
Fact: All 'christian' symbolism long predates the era of Jesus.
Fact: Jesus is mentioned by no contemporary in another culture.
Fact: Jesus, if a real man, only fully alligned with the Living Christ...which is the form of God in reality. If a real man, he was murdered for attempting to enlighten the common man.
I need not achieve any 'standing' via Timothy or any other dusty tomb. I retain my domestic rite, and do not cede said to any iteration of divine rite.
awshucks 6 months ago
*camouflage.
awshucks 6 months ago
@exodus20v8 No, it does not. The 'Bible' does not state valid history, only a heavily redacted version written by a priesthood shedding its skin for greater comouflage. The Greek is as error ridden as the Latin.
The only true church is the church overarching, which 'rulers' have never properly admitted and have ever errantly applied...so as to ply a trade upon the backs of ignorant men.
John Adams was quite correct when he stated that Calvinist divines were as dangerous as their Roman foils.
awshucks 6 months ago
@exodus20v8 Actually, the seven day cycle is a new con-ception. When the creator comes and nudges me I'll listen. Until then, books written by Roman scribes then planted amongst the protesters to keep them 'down on the roman farm' even while protesting will be treated for the lies they are.
God certainly cannot be ignored, but those who don't even acknowledge his cycles are far from him. Nice attempt at linking me to 'Darwin'.
Evolve in Sanskrit renders: unchanged from inception.
awshucks 6 months ago
The valid sabbath falls on the 9th day, which in ancient times was also Market Day. Sabbath Eve fell on the eighth night, which was quite harmonious. Todays 'week' is an entirely arbitrary length of time.
It is interesting that certain cultures still maintain calendars in which the day you were born on is the day of your birthday every year, regardless.
'Christians', those who reach an errant conclusion to all thought (not to mention proper application of morality in most cases).
awshucks 7 months ago
@exodus20v8 Get a life. You do know you are quoting a book that was seeded amongst you 'christians' by the thoroughly Roman Erasmus (who never left the side of Rome), don't you?
As for twaddle, none so married to said than those married to superstitions born of illiterates (those who murdered the true 'Gentiles', burning books everywhere they went and starting the European 'dark ages'.
Fact: Calendars change due to precession and 'novel' astronomy, the lies of Popes notwithstanding.
awshucks 7 months ago
When you can change a mans Calendar and Language, you may enslave him without his knowing.
Fact #1 The Cosmos Moves.
Fact #2 The 'Sabath' (if at all valid) Moves with the Cosmos.
Fact #3 The length of a 'week' is arbritrary unless predicated on the movement of some part of the Cosmos.
The western conception of 'sabbath'...the day needed to rest the oxen (and later the horse). Its conception under the Ancient Christianism (noted by John Adams)...longer than 7 days.
awshucks 7 months ago
The Sabbath was the last day God created the earth, and it was observed my the Jews as Saturday. They obeyed the Law in which God gave to Moses about keeping the Sabbath holy. When Jesus came to the earth to die on behalf of our sins, He went around professing and repeating all the Commandments except for one. He did now say anything about keeping the Sabbath holy. It was upon the creation of the Christian church began it was on Sunday because He rose that day.
ChristianSquirrel 1 year ago
@ Starbtw.. I posted that comment a year ago. I was trying to convey that sometimes minor details should not block our view when it comes to the main issue. I did say that a day should be honored as the Lords day. But I see your point. Did not mean to offend anyone, God bless.
sotatophsam 1 year ago
This is just the tip of the iceburg concerning the modern christian lifestyle that God has sent to cause people to fail when they have no love for the truth.....
prayzer1 1 year ago
Could someone please explain to me Acts 20:7? "And upon the FIRST day of the week, when the disciples came together to BREAK BREAD, Paul PREACHED unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."
Plus the "SUNDAY LAW" that are trying to pass which is getting ready to usher in the worshiping of the ANTI-CHRIST is on SUNDAY-which will be mandatory and Christians will have to go underground...because they keep the sabbath on SUNDAY!
cac0017 1 year ago
The question is, is the sabbath the true seal of the church? Is the Church sealed by the sabbath and is the sabbath a perpetual sign for the church?
Paul said to the Galations
But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
Acerrak 2 years ago
@Acerrak
After conducting a thorough research on the "apostle" Paul and comparing his doctrine to that of Christ's, God has revealed to me that Paul is a false apostle.
He wasn't commissioned by Jesus in Matthew 10, he didn't replace Judas, his name is not on the 12 foundations of New Jerusalem cited in Revelation 21.
As such, the Holy Spirit is telling me to avoid Paul's message and "anti-law" mind set.
I will abide by the Law of God not some lunatic who claims to work for God.
lillibeth13 2 years ago
yes those who do not except the truth, usually do what you have done and denounce the word of God. Pauls Gosepl was different from Peters yet Peter acknowledges Pauls calling, even the elders the Apostles chosen by Christ in the book of acts reckognized that Paul had been called
Acerrak 2 years ago
@Acerrak
Perhaps you should have researched the authenticity of 2 Peter, which has been considered a 'pseudipidgraphical' (meaning written after the death of the apostle Peter) before you accuse me of "denouncing the word of God."
Simply because I do not adhere to your Pauline doctrine and how the way the Bible was canonized, in no way implies that I have "denounced" the TRUE Word of God which is Christ Himself (John 1:1-3).
lillibeth13 2 years ago
your intitled to your own beliefs, my bible that i have which is the word of God all fits together. They mesh well as a well fitted Glove and i am sorry that you canot see that. The book of acts however is from Luke and still supports Paul and the Gospel which is given him from Christ
Acerrak 2 years ago
lillibeth13
So you basically reject nearly all of the new testament? the book of Acts, romans, 1 and 2 corinthians, thessalonians, philemon? titus, 1 and 2 timothy..galatians, ephesians, hebrews etc..and on the list goes?
Paul was accepted in the book of Acts by the apostles themselves. I believe you wish to deny him because you know he taught that the law was fulfilled in Christ. I don't think you really understand how Christ fulfilled the law, nor do you really want to.
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
2 Peter 3:15-16 (NIV) Look what Peter wrote about Paul, 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction
He said beware of false prophets obvious he wasnt one
Acerrak 2 years ago
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Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
Paul was a prophet of YHWH. His letters do not contradict any other Scripture. When passages from his letters are taken as a contradiction, that is because of lack of understanding. Just like with the rest of Scripture. That YHWH spoke through Paul in his latter days has been proven to the world, though most the world doesn't even realize it yet, but is starting to to some extent. This proof is manifest in the very existence of the Catholic church, its history, dominance, and deception.
CrazyApfel 2 years ago
2 Thessalonians 2:3-6:
3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? (continued)
CrazyApfel 2 years ago
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6And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
The temple of God now is the body of Mashiach. Now that He has ascended, His body is represented by His people. His people(church) is the temple now.
Let's see.... Can we think of anyone who came from within the church, and proclaimed himself as God(who is our Holy Father)?
And now more than ever the truths about this son of destruction are being revealed, and at a time we can see is close to the end.
CrazyApfel 2 years ago
1 Thess./2 Thess. written by who...PAUL, who was a PHARISEE.
Philppians 3:5 "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee."
Christ condemned the Pharisees as being of the devil, the father of all LIES. (Jhn 8:44). They don't know God, neither do they let others enter the kingdom of heaven:
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lillibeth13 1 year ago
@CrazyApfel
Paul with his doctrine does not allow others who are about to enter the kingdom of God to do so:
Matthew 23:13 "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."
lillibeth13 1 year ago
He did not condemn all Pharisees for being Pharisees. He was referring to those certain Pharisees who were hypocrites and were more concerned with technical law & tradition than the spirit of the law.
Also, since you completely missed my point, the passage I quoted was a prophecy of the future. It came true. That is one way we confirm whether or not a work was breathed of GOD. It is a clear picture of the church falling away, and the pope rising up.
CrazyApfel 1 year ago
Christ did condemn the Pharisees who were adding or even taking away from the Law of YHWH to satisfy their own traditions.
Matthew 15:9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
An example of Christ condemning the Pharisees for taking away from the Law of YHWH which Paul has done is:
Matthew 23:23 " Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have OMITTED the weightier matters of the law..."
lillibeth13 1 year ago
And so with Scripture you prove my point. Yahushua did not ever condemn all Pharisees for simply being Pharisees. He condemned those who are guilty of the charges He lays against them in the verses you quoted.
And so, here is also pronounced a condemnation for many modern religious people as well. For the Catholic Beast... er, Church I meant, for denominations, for many Christians.... But not for Paul, who taught to keep the law, but wrote letters that were hard to understand.
CrazyApfel 1 year ago
By the way, the Pharisees taught(teach) they have absolute authority on earth to interpret Scripture, even above YHWH. For example, they took Exodus 23:2, which commands to NOT incline after the majority to pervert justice, and they eliminated some words in their teaching, leaving, "incline after the majority"!
Paul is not saying in Colossians 2:14 that the Law was blotted out & nailed to the cross. The word is not law, but "dogma!"...........
CrazyApfel 1 year ago
.......in Colossians 2:15, Paul elaborates, saying that Yahushua(the Messiah) made a show of the rulers in public. To look at the gospel accounts(and to know about the Pharisees' insistence on "oral law"), one sees that Yahushua constantly breaks... not the Law, but the Pharisees' oral law, and defeats their arguments. This is what was nailed to the cross! Not the Law, but the "dogma"(as the greek says), used by the rulers, whom Messiah made a show of in public! Paul points this out.
CrazyApfel 1 year ago
@CrazyApfel
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with Colossians 2:14-15.
However, what I absolutely agree with is that Christ did not abolish the Law. Rather, He showed us how to observe it in Spirit and in truth, to show love and mercy to those who need it most.
Colossians 2:14 mentions that the "handwriting contained in ordinances" was done away with.
So, my question to you is: What are the "handwriting of ordinances" that Paul is referring to in Colossians 2:14?
lillibeth13 1 year ago
As I said, the word is "dogma." That is the word which is translated to "ordinances." MANY take it to mean the law, but it is referring to the added religious tradition posed as law by the rulers, who the Messiah made a show of in public(by breaking their oral traditions, and defeating their arguments).
Paul does not teach that the law was blotted out and nailed to the cross, but the extra things, the oral tradition(the Talmud, Mishna, Midrash, Gemarrah, etc.); the dogma.
CrazyApfel 1 year ago
It is Paul, who had been a Pharisee, who points out that these extra things, the dogma, has been blotted out, and nailed to the stake(cross).
Yahushua was not pronouncing condemnation for such as him, who taught His way, and did NOT teach to disregard the Law.
CrazyApfel 1 year ago
Again The Sabbath was revieled to Moses according to Nehemiah, the sabbath was a day set aside for rest, it was commanded to rest, never commanded for worship. The sabath was a perpetual covenat to Israel. God also said this Keep MY Sabath(S) to them
not just saturday, but new moons, Jubeliees, sabbaticals, day of atonements there is weeky, monthly, yearly and you have to keep them all there all apart of the Sabbaths if you obey the old covenant
Acerrak 2 years ago
Acutally God's true name in Hebrew is YAHWEH, or as the Tetragrammaton renders it as YHWH, as seen in Exodus 20...
"I am YHWH your Elohim which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."-Exodus 20:2
lillibeth13 2 years ago
in the 10 c the original hebrew you will also see The Title of Adonai
you also see the use of Adonai YHWH in genesis 15:2
ADONAI = LORD YHWH and JEHOVAH = I AM = self exsistant one
Acerrak 2 years ago
Actually, Yahweh is also pagan. Another name for Jupiter(the Roman Zeus) was Jove, with the older pronunciation of these letters being more like IOUE( ee-ah-oo-ay ). In other words, the sound was exactly: Yahweh. So this is one way the Romans said the name of one of their pagan gods.
The name of the one true GOD is: YaHuWaH. This correct pronunciation is kept in most of the other Hebrew words that are a combination of part of the name, and another word.
CrazyApfel 2 years ago
At some point(more recently relative to history), Jews started avoiding speaking the name, so when reading from the Torah, or the Tanak, when they came to the name, instead of reading it, they would say, Adonai, Elohym, or Ha Shem(literally: the name). The scribes who added vowel marks for pronunciation in Scripture added the marks for Adonai, or sometimes for Elohym, on the name, so one wouldn't actually repeat the name when reading it. From these incorrect marks come Jehovah, and Yahweh.
CrazyApfel 2 years ago
Sunday is the first day of the week. So wouldn't that make Saturday the sabbath?
Jonnythecowboy666 2 years ago
Yes, Saturday is the Sabbath.
lillibeth13 2 years ago
when looking at the new testament, the saboth day was the only complete day that god was dead. That kind of is why it was designed to be holy. and all of creation backs that up. only 1/7th of the earth is land, and so on a so forth.
spacecadet109 2 years ago
The Sabbath day has always been and will always be holy. No one, not even Jesus, can fulfill this sabbath because it points all the way back TO the completion of Creation. Unlike the Sabbath, the annual feasts, sabbaths, and new moons were done away with at the cross because they were pointing TO the redeeming power of Jesus Christ.
Mark 2:28 proclaims Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:9-11, Revelation 20:14, Revelation 1:10, Isaiah 58:13
lillibeth13 2 years ago 3
"The Sabbath day has always been and will always be holy."
The interesting thing to note is that the seventh day hasn't always existed, thus the sabbath had a beginning and thus couldn't have been part of God's eternal character, thus it can be changed without changing his character.
God never had a beginning and has always been holy. The sabbath hasn't always been around, and the first instance of man keeping it was with Moses.
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
The context of the Sabbath command given in Exodus 20 parallels its creation in Genesis 2:
"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."-Genesis 2:2-3
"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."-Exodus 20:11
Thus, the Sabbath existed during the time of Adam and Eve.
lillibeth13 2 years ago
God's name existed at the time of Adam and Eve too, but the scriptures state:
Exd 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them
We see that he didn't tell everyone his name either. Even though he created something, or if it existed previously, doesn't necessarily mean he revealed it to mankind until the given time
Consider Jesus, he was revealed in the latter times, but he obviously existed before
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
@Myhopeisinhim
We're not talking about God's name' we were discussing the existence of the Sabbath.
Please stay on topic.
lillibeth13 2 years ago
Bingolly1 should definitely watch this video.
lillibeth13 2 years ago
DID U EVER STOP AND THINK MAYBE THE LORD IS TRYING TO LEAD U NOW ???? the lord wonts us to worship his way not mans ...... i hope u hear me bro i cant even find a church that gos to church onthe 7th yet i am the church not some bilding god bless bro
gggssky 2 years ago 3
Try the seventh-day adventist church. We worship on the Lord's Day, Saturday.
lillibeth13 2 years ago 2
the fact that we are gentiles does not exclude us completely...
but we are under a new covenant..
abraham made a covenant with God
which included him and his descendants..
and to get on the personal side..
i am not goin to HELL for attending church on sunday..
and IF i was wrong i know that the Lord would show me and i have always been obedient to his voice. to the holy spirit. i think all people should stop trying to send people to HELL and start thinking about if there goin to heaven....
ustravel16 2 years ago
ot doesnt matter what day we worship the Lord .. the Bible never gave a commandment or ab order to go on the sabbath.. at least not to the gentiles.. it is a waste of time to be acusing everyone, dont worry on these things worry if your ready for the comming of the lord
ustravel16 2 years ago
ustravel16, I have two questions,1)Please I pray thee, show me in the scriptures where any of the 10 commandments wher made of none effect? Which,by your theology,your saying commandment number four has been thrown away we no longer need it,(in reality your calling GOD a liar),because He said in Malachi,
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;
2)Tell me how do you explain this from Revelations, (cont)1
jrngln 2 years ago
(ued)1 Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (cont)2
jrngln 2 years ago
(ued)2
dragon = satan, wroth = mad, woman = church,(SDA as a matter of fact) and went to make war(should be self explanitory) with the remnant of her seed = those who have come out of babylon, woken up to the apostacy in the worldly churches,which are the daughters of the harlot beast. But why is satan making war with the remnant? could it be because they keep the comandments of GOD? Including number 4 the one the world has been taught to forget, the one God said to REMEMBER? hmmm
jrngln 2 years ago
see Revelation 19:10 to find out for yourself what the testimony of Jesus Christ is.
jrngln 2 years ago
Who cares on WHAT day the Sabbath Day is on? As long as we set aside a day for the Lord, is this not what matters?
sotatophsam 2 years ago
tHAT'S LIKE SAYING "WHO CARES WHAT DAY YOUR BIRTHDAY IS ON LETS JUST CELEBRATE IT ON DAY WE WANT TO." SORT OF DEMEANS IT REALLY. GOD SANCTIFIED SATURDAY, ITS A COMMANDMENT AND ONCE YOU REALISE, YOU KEEP IT OUT OF LOVE. ITS FUNNY HOW SUNDAY WAS IMPORTANT BUT NOW THE TRUTH IS REVEALED IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT DAY. NEXT PEOPLE WILL SAY ITS LEGALISM TO NOT MURDER.
jonnysonn 2 years ago
it was a commandment to the jews not the gentiles.. and it does not matter what day you come to the house of the Lord, we should do it all the time
ustravel16 2 years ago
Without the law there is no sin. In the New Testament it says that we have become Israelites through belief in Jesus and come into all there promises. Jesus kept the Sabbath and was only criticised for supposed work. We worship God everyday and keep the day he made holy and no where in scripture has that changed. Please dont believe the lie I once believed, God will bless you for keeping his day and going against the tide of man made tradition.
jonnysonn 2 years ago
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
jonnysonn 2 years ago
sotatophsam, I really pray that you see the truth about the sabbath. I hope you study the scripture for yourself and don't take peoples opinions as truth (even mine), let the Holy Spirit show you. I felt the same as you at one time but God has shown me that there is only one day that shows he is our creator and that's the Sabbath.
jonnysonn 2 years ago
who cares you say. God does care. Jesus cares. for he says thats a sing between me and you so i know im your Lord God
henrygarza7 2 years ago
GOD cares what day the SABBATH is on, He was very specific as to what day He said to rest and Worship on, and He knew satan was going to attack it, thats why he said to REMEMBER it. A THUS SAITH THE LORD is this not what really matters?
jrngln 2 years ago 4
Can you show me where in the sabbath command in exodus 20, it calls people to worship God on the sabbath, and not simply rest from their work?
God simply called the people to rest from their work as he rested. Did God worship himself on the sabbath, or did he simply rest from his work?
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
"If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words."-Isaiah 58:13
First of all, Pat, it is completely illogical of you to assert that you can worship yourself.
Moreover, it is even more erroneous of you to say we arenlt supposed to worship God on the day he sanctified.
lillibeth13 2 years ago
@Myhopeisinhim
I was wondering myhope...do you have a separate Youtube account?
lillibeth13 2 years ago
The only other Youtube account I have is, "Accepted3", which is basically my gamer account.
Myhopeisinhim 2 years ago
@sotatophsam
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help...........
Starbtw 1 year ago
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@sotatophsam
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help...........
Starbtw 1 year ago
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@sotatophsam
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help...........
Starbtw 1 year ago
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@sotatophsam
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help...........
Starbtw 1 year ago
@sotatophsam
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help..........please study you bible some more just like the girl said God knew that satan would attack the SABBATH God was just preparing us...
Starbtw 1 year ago
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@sotatophsam
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help..........please study you bible some more just like the girl said God knew that satan would attack the SABBATH God was just preparing us...
Starbtw 1 year ago
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@sotatophsam
I'm sorry not to be rude but what do you mean who cares which day the sabbath is on....Ummmm hello God cares it is his sign between him and his people, and if it did not matter then tell me Why God said to( REMEMBER) it's the seventh day of the week and it does not get any plainer then that.... if you can't understand than maybe you need help..........please study you bible some more just like the girl said God knew that satan would attack the SABBATH God was just preparing us...
Starbtw 1 year ago
nice video it has alot of bible facts!
keep up the good work
lugia257 2 years ago
Conspiracy is spelt conspiracy by the way.
daro2096 3 years ago