Open Carry Police Encounter July 3 2010 Kollen Park, Holland Michigan

[friedie1jeff]

Children will be children. I quit playing Cowboys and Indians when I was about 9 years old.

[BunkerGearGal]

@friedie1jeff You know Jeff, people like you, the toadying sycophants to the police and government, will be the catalyst that destroys all Constitutional Rights in America. Your jejune and rather tepid riposte bespeak volumes about you. If a person is obeying the law, they are obeying the law. Too bad you lack the integrity and intellectual honesty to understand that. I fear it is forever beyond your ken.

[bddc201]

How is ownership/carrying of a firearm probable cause? If you own it wouldn't it be reasonable that you'd carry it? If a police officer ever gives me a hassle for carrying my lawfully owned firearm, I'll just hand him a copy of the U.S. Constitution. Have them start firing police officers over harassing citizens who are legally carrying (thus violating their civil rights) and that will come to a very abrupt end. Kudos to the guys who are asserting their rights!

[Skitzo365]

when retrieving a state ID or driver license you are required to provide upon request from law enforcement. you can be detained because police may not know who you are. Most of the time they want to make sure your not a crazy mofo with a gun. Now and days the word Terrorist may arise.

[Wrongway1965]

@Skitzo365.. the word 'Terrorist' doesn't change the USCONST or the MiStConst.. nor does it grant any rights to the State or Fed Govts.. and if you would've read the extra info regarding the 'uploaders comments', & followed it up with a google thang, you'd see that you're Wrong.. the words "War, Terrorist, or Emergency" doesn't change our rights as citizens in any way.. But the Feds damn sure want you to think that they do.. Be smarter than that..

[Skitzo365]

@Wrongway1965 Didnt stay it changed our rights. if you look at it from the original constitution. But in the past 120 years if not longer things have been added to it, changing the language from what it use to say to now to deceive people. I sent you a message.

[Skitzo365]

@Wrongway1965 also look at the case of : Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada- the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to disclose their identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. Commonly known as "stop-and-identify" statutes, these laws permit police to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves.

[Ilovewinter]

@Skitzo365 yes they did up hold that but it is also up to each state to place such a statute so if the state is not a stop, and ID then this is nullified.

[immamonster78]

@Skitzo365 you killed your own arguement with your own words. " reasonable suspicion", " criminal activity". "criminal suspects". Without these words this "statute" would be unconstitutional and therefore void and null. just sayin :)

[Ilovewinter]

@Skitzo365 however if you were a skitzo you would not be walking around with it in a holster, and going about your business, in this state Washington unless you are making gripping moves, or acting in a way that would really scare people such as pulling it out and brandishing it then they cant ask you squat. If you are concealed they can ask for your CPL but other than that cant do a damn thing.

[jwb864]

LOL COP= OWNED!!

[1GodOnlyOne]

@jwb864 Took the words right out of my mouth!

Thumbs up!

[justinfox42618]

@manofgod30 lol i like that id haha

[justinfox42618]

good job man unfortunetly we dont have that option here in the socalistic piece of shit state of ny we have to go through 6 months of bs to get a permit have to have one to buy a handgun have to register them before we pick em up have 4 character ref have fingerprints taken fill out a mountain of paperwork and after all that after they deside that we are fit to carry a gun they slap us with a shit permit with restrictions that is called outdoor sports only meaning no self defence carry

[jimigogls]

simply i believe that your view is a tad warped

[dacoal72]

I heard about this incident just this past week during Tulip time when someone asked why someone was walking around the tulips openly carrying...

[TheBelldiver]

Thiese actions are the first I've seen where Americans are defending their rights

[aux1z11]

i have 2 glock 31,s strapped to my legs and a 460 magnum under my arm and walk around openly all the time and it makes the cops eyes bulge out like you never seen, its funny as hell.

[frogman360]

have people stared at your firearm? hahahaha!

[OCSnowBoarder]

Good Job!

[PetePistol1]

well done

[MarineTheElk]

Google "stop and id states" and you will see that there are many States that require a citizen to show ID.

[DeadFishFactory]

@MarineTheElk It is illegal for a police officer to walk up to you and demand your ID, and then arrest you for failing to do so. In fact, people who are knowledgeable about the law would want the police to do that, because if they do, you can sue their ass to hell.

[outlawracer2229]

@MarineTheElk Google US Constitution. It's a violation of your rights for any cop to ask for ID.

[BigGayAl56]

@outlawracer2229 Actually, no it's not. Anyone can ASK for ID. It' not a violation of your rights until they DEMAND your ID, without probable cause or RAS.

[outlawracer2229]

@BigGayAl56 I stand corrected. Your right. I mis-spoke. I actually meant what you said.

[hdeeplive]

@MarineTheElk What if I am in one of those states and didnt have my ID on me? Do you get a fine for that?

[Rayven10]

@MarineTheElk Yes, but only if there is suspicion of a crime. If open carry doesn't need a permit of any kind, then there can't be suspicion of a crime, and thus, no ID needed.

Even in Stop and ID statute states, you still need to show no ID at all if there is no suspicion.

[1775novten]

@MarineTheElk Can you give me an example of one and the statute that allows the officers to stop and ID someone without the suspicion of a crime having been committed?

[donmei]

there is no such thing as a stop and ID state!!!

[swamper777]

If you're stopped, simply state "I am engaging in the lawful carry of a firearm, and the Supreme Court has ruled this is not sufficient grounds for reasonable articulate suspicion. Now, Sir, having made this clear, would you like to talk to me about anything else? If not, I'll be going about my business." LEOs do NOT have the authority to harrass people who are engaged in the lawful carry of a firearm.

[Bluto2973]

Fascist: "May I see your I.D.?"

Patriot: "No."

LOL... keep up the great work.

[diggingforgold]

Nicely done. The music in the background is perfect for this.

[badace]

Way to stick to your morals here. Are you sterile carrying (meaning not having ID on you) incase they decide to further violate your rights and search you?

I'm an Open Carrier from California (carry daily, not just events) and I used to play steel drums, loved the audio.

Keep up the good work.

[MarineTheElk]

I wanted to add a little more background: Michigan is not a Stop-and-ID state. Meaning that if a police officer asks for ID, you don't have to produce it. They need Reasonable Articulate Suspicion (RAS) in order to detain. Then they can search you and take your ID. The US Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm is NOT RAS to stop someone and detain them. It is unfortunate that people believe that they must do what the police want at all times.

[redwelkin]

Good job man! IrishCarBomb

[Maxwedge12000]

Nice going.  that is the way to stand up for your rights.

[MarineTheElk]

I'm honored to have a modern music critic enjoying my "video".

[usmcbess]

keep up with the OC man! check out my page I have some encounters from here in Missouri.

[usmcbess]

@zVwKv ur an idiot and a troll

[MarineTheElk]

@usmcbess I agree. I've removed his comments and blocked him. He just wanted to get attention for his YouTube Channel.

[Beermetoo]

ya mon