To people who follow the Scripture --- Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and in which has been sent down to us and in that which has been sent down before us, and that most of you are rebellious and disobedient to God? Profit Abraham made Mecca and profit Muhammad restored it and regardless of its position it is the place of God. (pbuta)
I don't mean to get into any controversies about this issue, but has anyone thought about the fact that maybe some 1500 years ago, when the Qur'an was written, the continental plates were in slightly moved away from where they are now, and therefore Mecca itself might have been on the exact golden mean back then? It's pretty close even now.
@Kamadev888 I don't think continental plates will move a distance of 277 km in 1500 years. It only moves a few meters in a 100 years. So that is false. Secondly, this exact proof that this number is completely meaningless. Not only is it there will always be multple such points, the points will eventually change as well. Therefore, this is clearly nothing more than numerology trick
First buddy you are not Arabic to read Arabic if you take a closer look at the verse letters if you look above the letter there is this marks ّ which means some of the letters when you read you have to extend it reading it like double letter , for example the word off or all . I counted them my self they are 29 not 24 , then again what I did is really look for other things that could have this Number they are talking about 1,618 and guess what I found ?
@mo65usa If you care to explain what the numbers are, then please !
"why always people have war with Islam" So in your world, exposing the lies of a few Islamic charlatans EQUALS war ??? Well, I am glad I dont live in your world !
"Why are afraid of this religion ? " Afraid? LOL Only laughing at the religion that says the sun sets in a spring invented by a blood thirsty child molester named MO
@mo65usa because you start those lies so we debunk them, simply shut up and stop lying and annoying the world with islamic miracles and we will stop exposing them, i don't care if you believe these lies, just stop telling us about them and we will stop attacking those lies, you started it mate, so believe in your allah but don't bullsit us so we won't attack back, simple as that
First buddy you are not Arabic to read Arabic if you take a closer look at the verse letters if you look above the letter there is this marks ّ which means some of the letters when you read you have to extend it reading it like double letter , for example the word off or all . I counted them my self they are 29 not 24 , then again what I did is really look for other things that could have this Number they are talking about 1,618 and guess what I found ?
what i notice though when you tried to re-calculate starting at 7:57 is that although the number did not equal 1.618, both numbers came really close to that with just a fraction off, give or take. which we can still attribute that to inaccuracies in our measurement of the actual distances of these points. but the thing is, all these numbers seem to hover consistently around the number 1618.
@indirajuaini Watch these videos as they accurately calculate it.
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I was very general with my calculation because the video i was debunking was doing the same thing! At the end of the day, the broader point is 1) There is nothing special about this number since multiple such points can be found. 2) Kaba does not actually fall into this not so special number 3) The claim about the quranic verse was also false 4) Hence the video is debunked!
@jdnash88 What you said is in even a complete sentence. I only showed clips of wiki to show people what the golden ratio, or the coordinates for mecca is...
If you have no real arguments, just cling on to making stupid statements right!
if there are 19980 land miles between poles we need to see a ratio like 12348.32 and 7631.68. both equal 19980. Mecca is 12348.32 kilometers from the South Pole. if there are 19980 land miles between poles Mecca has to be 7631.68 miles from the North Pole. anyone who knows how to use the ruler feature can verify this themselves. 12348.32 divided by 7631.68 equals phi. 19880 divided by 12348.32 equals phi.
and in the end of time my brother. u, other atheists and that devil guy with disbeliever trademark on his forehead will end up in hell fire. trust me that day will surely come. but before i go, i want u to give me an answer for this question, how was this universe created? God Bless u!!
5/3, 8/5, 13/8 NONE OF THEM equal the golden ratio just like 47/29 And you agree with this.
Everyway you look at it, there are literally gazillions spots on the planet that have this ratio. If I am wrong, PROVE IT instead of typing up incoherent nonsense with incomplete sentence structure
@captaindisguise you are totally wrong and i mean; they are Not equal according to your ill vision to mathematics .... But, they (this sequence) are ;you accept or not; translating accurately the beauty of creation regarding the golden number as 47/29 shows part of the beauty of words of Allah (Qur'an) .....And i repeat it's a single ;not more; point as it is a positive number in the set of algebraic irrational numbers according to a reliable site called Wikipedia .... I hope you can see
@captaindisguise Don't think that insisting on your sick way of analysis and repeating ignorant sentences will stand before the truth in the miracle about Mecca and Golden ratio and Qur'an .....Beside ;There is no contradiction in my words; it is only in your sick mind ..... You can't even reply one of the mathematical facts i showed you before ,instead; you are repeating your non-sense unscientific words....... YOUR DEBUNKING has been COMPLETELY FAILED .... Allah Akbar
Besides, The correct global timing should not be based on Greenwich .... scientifically, the correct meridian is crossing Mecca city .. That's why Arnold Keyserling ,a non-Muslim professor, said "The real meridian is not in Greenwich, but in Mecca, 40 degrees longitude, with the cube of the Kaaba" ... Check out the degree of magnetic north deviation in Mecca and Greenwich and tell us what you've got..... More signs from Allah if you want to see ..... Allah is the Greatest
Three ,You in the end of video did not measure correctly as part of the map was cut off (incomplete) .... four ,Don't speak about four possible Golden points of earth as every known image or picture have a single mean golden point as described by scientists on the up left ,you can review it if you want scientific talking .... as i said before all you have got is deepening the proof of that fact .... Allah is the Greatest
6) why not talk about the four possible golden points. Who made the rule of a single golden point ? all other points are just as legitimate as you THINK kaba is but as I showed the Kaba is not at the golden point
Why don't you explain what "magnetic north deviation in Mecca and Greenwich" is ?
@captaindisguise Allah Akbar .. As i always knew ,Atheists just don't want to believe or get convinced by any mean that's why you CAN'T think fairly or be faithful ... As when you tell me it's 1.620 and not 1.618 in the verse ,I'll tell you made me laugh, pathetic ...As in definition,if the ratio of the sum of the quantities to the larger quantity is equal to the ratio of the larger quantity to the smaller one APPROXIMATELY 1.6180339 ... and i will show u what (approximately) mean ..Allah Akbar
@NABEELSMSL "it's 1.620 and not 1.618, APPROXIMATELY 1.6180339"
So your almighty god is only APPROXIMATELY powerful enough to create a quran where his magical miraculous verse was only APPROXIMATELY good enough. And then, his followers who (made that dishonest video) have to hide this APPROXIMATION bcuz it wasn't good enough.
If this is what you want to believe, go right ahead, but to a thinking person, there nothing here than mere (incorrect, inaccurate) numerology tricks
@captaindisguise No ,It's never like this rubbish talking and injustice dark vision ..... you don't want the truth to be in Islamic side however it's obvious and clear .... Just don't tell the truth is Islamic whatever ..... The ratio is 1.61803399 right? ... No ,It's not right .. The golden ratio is an irrational mathematical constant "approximately" 1.61803398874989 as defined in the Wikipedia .... Why "APPROXIMATELY"? ....let's see
@captaindisguise In brief ,To be applicable on extreme complicated nature and Allah's creation ... and it's not like this when talking about man doing .... So why this ratio special? Do you know? .....Adolf Zeising wrote in 1854 of a universal law "in which is contained the ground-principle of all formative striving for beauty and completeness in the realms of both nature and art, and which permeates, as a paramount spiritual ideal, all structures, forms and proportions,............"
@captaindisguise ...........whether cosmic or individual, organic or inorganic, acoustic or optical; which finds its fullest realization, however, in the human form." from Wiki ... But did they find the exact number in the "nature" - which gives the number its value - or just approximation? let's ask Fibonacci sequence .... Why? .... The sequence represents the golden ratio in the nature in two consecutive Fibonacci numbers, such as branching in trees, arrangement of leaves on a stem........."
@NABEELSMSL Since wikipedia is your trusted source, here is a quote from it
"However, some have argued that many of the apparent manifestations of the golden mean in nature, especially in regard to animal dimensions, are in fact fictitious."
Source : Pommersheim, James E., Tim K. Marks, and Erica L. Flapan, eds. 2010. Number Theory: A lively Introduction with Proofes, Applications, and Stories. John Wiley and Sons: 82.
@NABEELSMSL CONTD Secondly, where is YOUR evidence that this number is divine or special or it has something to do with your GOD ????
The golden ratio is not exactly a random number. It's real definition : two quantities are in the golden ratio if the ratio of the sum of the quantities to the larger quantity is equal to the ratio of the larger quantity to the smaller one.
@NABEEL So this is not a random number but it has to do with physical lengths. We know that natural substances align themselves in configurations that require the least amount of energy. These configuration often come with beautiful symeetries and shape (hence the beautiful crystals, snow flakes) With this in mind, I would not be surprised if there are certain instance of the golden ratio appearing in nature as a method for creating energetically favorable reactions...hence, it could be natural
@captaindisguise ...... the fruitlets of a pineapple,the flowering of artichoke, an uncurling fern and the arrangement of a pine cone ..... Besides,the ratio of sequential elements of the Fibonacci sequence (approaches) the golden ratio (asymptotically) ,They are intimately connected with the golden ratio, for example the closest rational "approximations" to the ratio are 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, ... Do you get it? explaining Allah's creation is not that simple like explaining man made .. finally
@captaindisguise You can read more if want to know that approximately means accuracy in mathematics especially when you try to translate high supreme level of mathematics like Creation .... Allah's Creation and Quran are perfect and mathematics just trying to approach and "approximate" to explanations and not the opposite as you think ..... But i know that for Islam it must be wrong and away from truth whatever it is ..... Be faithful for a second ... Allah Akbar ... Islam will prevail whatever
@NABEELSMSL Believe whatever you want, unless you can give evidence for anything you r claiming, i dont really care what you think of your 7th century mythology called Islam and the extremely boring Quran
As it stands right now, let me repeat again
47/29 is NOT equal to (1 + sqrt(5))/2
The kaba is NOT at (1 + sqrt(5))/2 point.
There are literally gazzilion spots on the planet that would give this ratio
The islamic video is wrong and dishonest. anyone believing it is deluded
@captaindisguise Yes ,and let me also repeat that 5/3 and 8/5 and 13/8 .... ,in Fibonacci sequence which is more representing to the true natural forms and creation, are NOT equal to Phi but it is so accurate and applicable to reality ..... I forgot to say that it's a single point as it is a positive number in the set of algebraic irrational numbers according to Wiki except if u want to replace the north and south poles and rotate the world upside down as you did with the truth ... Allah Akbar
@captaindisguise Approximately ,Variations ,Accepted error are terms used alot in the field of physics and mathematics and more in geography and mapping systems ..... Can't believe? .. I will borrow words from the site that you depended on in distance calcu. ... He said "Accuracy: since the earth is not quite a sphere, there are small errors in using spherical geometry; the earth is actually roughly ellipsoidal (or more precisely, oblate spheroidal) with a radius varying between ..." to be cont.
@captaindisguise ".......This means that errors from assuming spherical geometry might be up to 0.55% crossing the equator, though generally below 0.3%, depending on latitude and direction of travel. An accuracy of better than 3m in 1km is mostly good enough for me ...... Out of sheer perversity – I’ve never needed such accuracy – I looked up this formula and discovered the JavaScript implementation was simpler than I expected" ....... Next "haversine formula" ... to be continued
How about 277 km ? If I asked you to build a house in New York city and you ended up building it in Washington DC, do you expect me to say "oh the earth isn't a sphere, washington DC is close enough, APPROXIMATE enough to New York city, so this is perfect, GOOD JOB"
@captaindisguise Even the haversine formula he used to measure distances contains errors as he fixed the R radius of the earth by 6371km and this makes errors as in every latitude on earth there is a different radius and affecting the distance for example:15° R:6339.70 km every 1 degree:110.649 km while 45° R:6367.38 km every 1 degree 111.132 km ..... check that if you want ...... I think the numbers they showed in the video is enough and accurate .... Next "The Longitude"
@captaindisguise The Longitude of Kaaba is 39:49:12E ,and if you use any projection other than the Mercator projection it will differ ,for sure; but,incredibly, it is still near Mecca ... The Mercator projection and its variants are the most reliable maps used by Bing Maps,Google Maps,MapQuest,Yahoo Maps and others and still used commonly for navigation and the golden ratio point according to them is 39:48:53.42 E as mentioned in goldennumber website typical to that of Mecca .. Allah Akbar
@captaindisguise Yes ,At 13:22 you did not completely extend the line to the left extremity of the map and you just stopped at the red line ... About the variation between the magnetic and geographic north ,it is the magnetic variation as Bowditch defined and not the magnetic declination as some thought .... there a variation in every city in the world including Greenwich except for Mecca where the magnetic north and geographical are identical .. check also for this .. Be fair to be able to see
@NABEELSMSL The different Maps were used to show how this made it an arbitrary claim. as you could manufacture to fit whatever you wanted to do with it.
The map in 13:22 is not cut off, well unless the map in the video is cut off. I took it directly from the website
I haven't understood your claims about "magnetic variataion" Could you send me some peer reviewed scientific papers to support whatever it is that your are saying
@captaindisguise No, I told you it is the most accurate reliable map used by Bing Maps,Google Maps,MapQuest,Yahoo Maps and others and still used commonly for navigation still with some errors and differences from reality.... not any map is acceptable ... And Yes it is from the website except for the last 2 mm on the left extremity .... About "magnetic variation" & "magnetic declination" you can know about it from Wikipedia if you love science .... I forgot to say that u can't escape from truth
And the counting of letters in the verse is precisely correct because you don't know that two same letters are written as one with a mark above in arabic .. that's one. Two, you're not searching for the truth you are only trying to do some noisy unscientific analysis by bringing not reliable accurate maps ,one of them is a political map and one from 16 century ,ignoring that all numbers you've got are so close to the golden ratio despite of knowing that there are variations in system of mapping;
@NABEELSMSL 2) Yes I made a mistake with counting letters as I had stated in the annotation which you did not bother to read. As well as the fact the the counting of the letters exposed their dishonesty. 47/29 = 1.620 NOT 1.618. Why is your god so sloppy and not precise ?
3) My analysis was as scientific as the video. I did not aim for anything higher
4) the maps used were to show that using rectangular maps made whole endeavor a bit arbitrary
How funny is this!!!.....This is really proving that Mecca is the mean golden point of the earth while you are trying ,hardly, to prove not ... Allah is the Greatest ... If you want ,by any mean, to prove it's not true and all that you got is 200 or 300 km away from Mecca while we are talking about tens of thousands of Km of distances on a planet scale;It ,itself, will be a strong proof that IT IS in Mecca region when u put in consideration the variations & deviations in the maps. Be faithful
1) It is a matter of precision and your calculation of 200 km over the earth circumference is unscientific. Think of playing darts. To be perfect, you want to hit the center. Imagine if I threw the dart it hit 1 m away from the dart board which is awful. Do you think it makes sense for me to say well "1 m away from the center while we are talking about tens of thousands of Km of distances on a planet scale; it, itself, is perfect
around 9:03 ur vid fails again because mecca is city.one point in this area would support the ratio but u took an exact point .despite this ratio was close.
have u thougth people couldnt think about other points which are at the same paralel with mecca? but video puts mecca into vertical line then... altough im an agnostic ur video fails at least until 5:22.im still watching...
@esraretin @ 5:30 is say "It does seem to me that the professionals who made that video were aware of the fact that Mecca wouldn't be the only place on the globe that would give you the proportion of 1.618 "
Here is an idea, reserve your public comments until you watch the whole video !
@esraretin "i watched the link u gave.that man doesnt know wht he did.he claimed that he calculated golden ratio point of a sphere! " Okay brother i have some news for that might cause a shift in the paradigm of your knowledge base. The planet earth is spherical.
@captaindisguise my point is that one point on mecca supports golden ratio from poles. i havent calculated vertically but if a real measured map of the world supports it vertically too,this would be interesting. ur vid fails at that point because there is only one map! u showed different maps and said ratio is different! i dont think those who made the real ''miracle video'' didnt think about it. altough i myself will calculate it soon.last quran is really interesting book if u read whole book.
@captaindisguise u cant see. 1- men decided a map for general 2-map has vertical poles (they are also real pole points as sun) 3-this map has vertical endpoints too 4-god knew they were gonna be 5-mecca is at the gold raito point in this map im still agnostic quran is still interesting book im not an insane person:) perceptions can be change dont think u re a man with clear mind we have numbers but also sentences no doubt we are stuipd like einstein said
@esraretin Like I said, i am an agnostic atheist. An agnostic atheist is someone who does not KNOW whether god exists or not (the agnostic part) but does not believe in god (the atheist part)
It is a great mystery and therein lies the beauty of the universe. Our uncertainty is what drives our pleasure for knowledge and that is the beauty of positive skepticism
PS - i would have made this video even if i am a muslim. Lies and deception should always be exposed even if they are dear to you
@captaindisguise i thougth a bit about golden ratio again. mecca has the point which supports 1,618 for poles.imagine a geoid there are only 2 real poles and one real ecuador. but meridians are imaginary. yesterday i mixed up the words horizontal and vertical. u can calculate gold ratio 2 paralels for geoid but u cant calculate its horizontal golden ratio meridians. that is wht i was trying to explain with my very limited english yesterday.
@esraretin "mecca has the point which supports 1,618 for poles"
I've repeatedly asked you what you mean by this. are you talking about the distance from north pole and south pole. Then as shown in the video, EVEN if mecca is at the so called golden point. There are going to be INFINITELY many such points on the map. Mecca is then no longer unique.
Then in the second part of the video, i calculate the distance and mecca is NOT at this point
@captaindisguise i used google earth i found 1,644 now for a point inside mecca u can find the 1,618 and i know its not unique .mecca is on that 1,618 paralel thats all.ok look 180 / 2,618 = 68,754. 90-68,754 =21,246
ok now look for meccas paralel degree from anywhere.
@esraretin I see you are one of those numerology/ scientific miracle seeking deluded apologists
Well good luck then, maybe one day when you attain common sense, you will realize that these claims are utter BullShit (just like the bible code and miracle claims from the bible)...and you will leave islam, If not enjoy following a 7th century mythology
PS - could you list the verse in sura 96 that mentions copper ?
@captaindisguise Bring me sheets of iron" - until, when he had leveled [them] between the two mountain walls, he said, "Blow [with bellows]," until when he had made it [like] fire, he said, "Bring me, that I may pour over it molten copper."
It is funny how people perceives Islam as a hateful and violent religion, but fail to hear themselves talking and spreading lies and hate about Islam, using all kinds of words to deface Islam
There was no need to watch the whole video. Since it is obvious, that the video aims to hurl insults on religions and the religious people. The debunking should be directed to the maker of the video and not on the religion and the religious people.
@CHEMSTAR333 Well obviously you didnt watch the video
Could you give me a timestamp of where i "hurled insults" at religious people or even your religion in this video. I made this about a year ago and as i remember, i didn't do such a thing
To the contrary, all did was at the very end , request the makers of the video to be more clever in producing dishonest claims
Dont you think it is premature to argue without even understand what you are arguing against ?
As people know, many atheists are far more hateful than the religious fanatics. But such fanatics can’t see their own hate. The day they will realize that what they have is a hate and not some kind of wisdom or intellect, they may find that the religious people were right all along. But first they have to realize that if the religious people are self deceiving, than they too were doing the same and hopefully will go on from there to a self discovery.
@CHEMSTAR333 "As people know, many atheists are far more hateful than the religious fanatics. But such fanatics can’t see their own hate. "
YEAH YEAH, and the worst these atheist fanatics have done are write books and give lectures and enter debates...and oh small time fanatics like me make videos on youtube pointing out lies and pseudoscience that muslim charalatans spread around
@CHEMSTAR333 I did the 4 steps you mentioned on 4 different maps INCLUDING the map used in the video, and NONE of them gave mecca as the golden ratio point
Besides, using a ruler on a map is not the right way to do it...here is a video that measures it correctly using latitudes
@CHEMSTAR333 hahaha pawned b!tch!! if you still cant get yur head outta yur B.. nothing will help you, learn to accept the reality how bitter it may b. i know religions makes you feel btr, cos you feel you have a group, gang or belong to one. BUT it doesnt change the reality. my honest appeal to you would be, pls read some science books, look at the evidence with clear mind and then make your decision. rather than blindly n with full ego, supporting one cult.
OK! i know arabic and u have counted the letters wrong.. the letter with the symbol ّ on top of it acctually consists of TWO LETTERS. THAT symbol in arabic combines 2 letters together and if u counted again it would be 29. :)
captaindisguise: It seems this video has proven the original one to be correct - though inadvertently. This video established four points on the globe, one of them being Mecca. Now only just one more attempt has to be made to agree with the original video claim. This video has done that too by admitting that by selecting a certain type of map the original video can place Mecca to fit its claim. Question; which map? Answer: the original video map selection will seem correct to most people.
No, actually it doesnt, in the first halfof the video, i worked under the presumption of the original video that mecca was at the golden point and then went on to show there will be several such point on the globe, therefore there is nothing special about. It is in the second half that i check WHETHER Mecca is such a point
You didnt watch the video carefully. I used 4 maps and all 4 of them showed us that mecca was NOT at the golden point. Secondly as you admit, the map can adjusted to fit ANY POINT on the globe to be at such a point. Therefor, there is nothing special about.
Thirdly, using a ruler on a map is not the correct way to determine this ( this is what the original video and I did)
Makkah is located on the Arabian peninsula, between Africa, Asia, and Europe. If all the of the earth's landmasses are fitted together, Makkah is in the center.
@thegeniushasreturned How about some actual numbers rather than just a statement from a guy who calls himself a geniues but does not even know that water freezing to ice decreases entropy.
And how about explaining how the spherical earth has a center on its surface ? or do you believe that the earth was flat just like all the early muslims believed from reading the quran
@thegeniushasreturned Well please prove Mecca is the center of the earth and also explain how it is possible for any point on the surface of the sphere to be considered a center
"logical entropy ad thermodynamic entropy"
LOL, i dont know what 'logical entropy" is...i do know what thermodynamic entropy (better than obviously) and there is more to the 2nd law than the simple statement (disorder comes from order)
i just explained that to obviously it went right over you head
i know that you dont understand logical entropy however it is part of thermodynamics thats why you cant understand evolutions violation of thermodynamics. learn about J. Willard Gibbs and what he taught in the nineteenth century its sad you still dont know this information
Secondly, the word 'daha' means something like an expanse. "dahaha" it was made into an expanse. it does NOT mean "ostrich egged". No dictionaries define it as ostrich egg but they do define it as being flat/expanse
The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.
@thegeniushasreturned Read the classical tafsir of Al-Jalalyn, "As for His words sutihat, ‘laid out flat’, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the [revealed] Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay’a) have it"
perhaps you should look deeper into the quran rather than listening to charlatans like Joker Naik, Harun YAYA
I believe in Islam and personaly i dont agree with what some muslims claims excessively 'like the miracle of mecca'' since God Allah didnt mention this in the holy Quran ,though this dosent mean Islam is not the right path; because i do believe in other miracls that are surely true , in fact inspite of the scientific miracles there's more thousands of philosophic and ideologic proves that convinced me to believe in Islam
learn before you judge and try to be curious instead of judgmental
Muslims go out of their way to lie, fabricate things and change the truth so they could give their religion some kind of legitimacy. They do this with historical things, places, science and everything else for that matter. Why would their Allah (Mohammed) state Mecca/Mekkah in chapter 48:24 then call it Bakka in 3:96? Muslims cant even present any kind of proof and evidence to back their claim. Bakka was Bakhra, Bakra, Balkh, Bakhtar Bactra, the ancient holy city of zoroastrians in Persia.
@captaindisguise I have real objections and I've debated them in great depth with The Rationalizer. so much so that he's now blocked me from debating them further. Yet more proof that he's not 100% confident in his own calculations. The simple fact is this- whether the centre of the planet is 100 miles or 200 miles from the Kaaba it's still a notable point of discussion considering the vast amount of space available on this huge rock that we share.
@MrLeodis202 How exactly does the golden ratio point correspond to the center of the earth ? Where did the centre of earth come from ? The real ceter of the earth would be in the inner core, not on the surface...
And secondly, if the golden ratio point is special, there are many other points where this applies ? Are they all special
@captaindisguise Ley lines are hypothetical alignments of a number of places of geographical interest, such as ancient monuments and megaliths. They're basically the contours of the planet and where they meet has been of significant important due to their emitting energies. Stonehenge is a major crossing path for these lay lines, so is Mekka. If you take the 4 co-ordinates from the Golden Ratio theory and draw a X between them the centre of these lines is on The Kaaba. Check for yourself.
@captaindisguise Continent movement, a shift in the poles, calculation errors the list goes on. It's only 100-200 miles out! it's too close for comfort.
This means there is ONLY an error of 96 KM (aprox).
So how accurate is your method of measuring the distances? Have you used a Mercator map to do it - do you know the level of accuracy of that map?
Don't you think that an error of only 96 KM/ 40,076 km = 0.002% is some what significant!!!! Personally I think its YOU whose wrong and am starting to BELIEVE this miracle, and maybe so should you?
@captaindisguise Some argue that the golden ratio itself is nothing special. But, if you think it is, and your a religious site, and your within a fraction of it, taking into account the probability of human error in measuring vast distances of the planet....yeah i think then theres something special there and its not to be scoffed at so easily.
@eddyjawed i dont think its special. I was simply debunking the dishonest video. I am not religious
So you believe the number is special, then like i pointed out in the video, there will be literally gazillion points on the earth that will give you this number. The calculation you did, you divided distance to the SP by the distance to the NP. Dont you think every point on that latitude will give you the number ? Similarily you can do the opposite, take 7564.29 from the SP !
@newnejm2 i didnt understand what you are saying. Wht does the black stone have to do with the video you sent me ? Please explain that video to me as i have no clue wht it was claiming
@newnejm2 okay FUCK OFF troll. I have been very patient with you. I told you 5 time that i have watched the video but you keep sending me the same link when i ask you to explain the video
You either dont speak english, or you are stupid or you are just an annoying troll
To people who follow the Scripture --- Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and in which has been sent down to us and in that which has been sent down before us, and that most of you are rebellious and disobedient to God? Profit Abraham made Mecca and profit Muhammad restored it and regardless of its position it is the place of God. (pbuta)
OkucciBeatz 4 weeks ago
Argument trashed! If it counts as an argument at all.
TheChamseyCampaign 1 month ago
they mean the actual distance, not a map measurements
zizohooooo 1 month ago
@zizohooooo Think again sunshine, the muslim video also used map measurements! I used the same map!
captaindisguise 1 month ago
damn son. i dont even need to listen to you to know your wrong. try to regret tho. its ok
OkucciBeatz 1 month ago
@OkucciBeatz You must be special if you are able to judge something as wrong before you even hear it :)
captaindisguise 1 month ago
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OkucciBeatz 1 month ago
I don't mean to get into any controversies about this issue, but has anyone thought about the fact that maybe some 1500 years ago, when the Qur'an was written, the continental plates were in slightly moved away from where they are now, and therefore Mecca itself might have been on the exact golden mean back then? It's pretty close even now.
Kamadev888 2 months ago
@Kamadev888 I don't think continental plates will move a distance of 277 km in 1500 years. It only moves a few meters in a 100 years. So that is false. Secondly, this exact proof that this number is completely meaningless. Not only is it there will always be multple such points, the points will eventually change as well. Therefore, this is clearly nothing more than numerology trick
captaindisguise 2 months ago
It's funny how every single islamic "miracle" becomes nothing but a whole lot of BS.
It's so sad that muslims MUST resort to LIES to promote their "religion".
Fortunately for muslims there are so many ignorant people (born into islam) out there that fall for all the BS muslims tell them.
Islam is DEFINITELY the "religion" of fools and idiots.
Allahu not so akbar!
sirjambo 2 months ago
@sirjambo think before you sleep
youraf1978 1 month ago
@youraf1978 Just THINK!
sirjambo 1 month ago
were kilometers were used in the time mecca built? lol
Impulse116 2 months ago
@Impulse116 LOL what a stupid silly question ?
captaindisguise 2 months ago
@captaindisguise
video do calculating distance of kilometers to prove so kind of 'miracle'
but the time islame appeared or mecca build there were no kilometers.
Impulse116 2 months ago
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First buddy you are not Arabic to read Arabic if you take a closer look at the verse letters if you look above the letter there is this marks ّ which means some of the letters when you read you have to extend it reading it like double letter , for example the word off or all . I counted them my self they are 29 not 24 , then again what I did is really look for other things that could have this Number they are talking about 1,618 and guess what I found ?
mo65usa 2 months ago
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Butadiène
ka = 1 * (p/5) = 36° cos 36 = 0,809 a+1,618b = 2 * (p/5) = 72° cos 72° = 0,309 a+0,618b = 3 * (p/5) = 108° cos 108° = -0,309 a-0,618b = 4 * (p/5) = 144° cos 180° = -0,809 a-1,618b
Chemistry, physics and so on my question is why always people have war with Islam ???
Why are afraid of this religion ? Are you afraid that it is the true religion that tells you no sex , drugs or nudity or killing . what is it ?
mo65usa 2 months ago
Butadiène
ka = 1 * (p/5) = 36° cos 36 = 0,809 a+1,618b = 2 * (p/5) = 72° cos 72° = 0,309 a+0,618b = 3 * (p/5) = 108° cos 108° = -0,309 a-0,618b = 4 * (p/5) = 144° cos 180° = -0,809 a-1,618b
Chemistry, physics and so on my question is why always people have war with Islam ???
Why are afraid of this religion ? Are you afraid that it is the true religion that tells you no sex , drugs or nudity or killing . what is it ?
mo65usa 2 months ago
@mo65usa If you care to explain what the numbers are, then please !
"why always people have war with Islam" So in your world, exposing the lies of a few Islamic charlatans EQUALS war ??? Well, I am glad I dont live in your world !
"Why are afraid of this religion ? " Afraid? LOL Only laughing at the religion that says the sun sets in a spring invented by a blood thirsty child molester named MO
captaindisguise 2 months ago
@mo65usa because you start those lies so we debunk them, simply shut up and stop lying and annoying the world with islamic miracles and we will stop exposing them, i don't care if you believe these lies, just stop telling us about them and we will stop attacking those lies, you started it mate, so believe in your allah but don't bullsit us so we won't attack back, simple as that
shanagola1 2 months ago
First buddy you are not Arabic to read Arabic if you take a closer look at the verse letters if you look above the letter there is this marks ّ which means some of the letters when you read you have to extend it reading it like double letter , for example the word off or all . I counted them my self they are 29 not 24 , then again what I did is really look for other things that could have this Number they are talking about 1,618 and guess what I found ?
mo65usa 2 months ago
@mo65usa I made a mistake with the arabic as acknowledged in the annotation! READ BEFORE COMMENTING like a paranoid schizo!
Secondly, get a calculator and check what 47/29 comes out to...no cheating here, 47/29 = ?
captaindisguise 2 months ago
muslims are deluded.
halflifeproductionz 3 months ago
what i notice though when you tried to re-calculate starting at 7:57 is that although the number did not equal 1.618, both numbers came really close to that with just a fraction off, give or take. which we can still attribute that to inaccuracies in our measurement of the actual distances of these points. but the thing is, all these numbers seem to hover consistently around the number 1618.
indirajuaini 3 months ago
@indirajuaini Watch these videos as they accurately calculate it.
watch?v=RrzGT6YV5XM
watch?v=OHQgIKFv0Ac
I was very general with my calculation because the video i was debunking was doing the same thing! At the end of the day, the broader point is 1) There is nothing special about this number since multiple such points can be found. 2) Kaba does not actually fall into this not so special number 3) The claim about the quranic verse was also false 4) Hence the video is debunked!
captaindisguise 3 months ago
as if the person who uploaded the video is using Wikipedia!!! lol
jdnash88 3 months ago
@jdnash88 What you said is in even a complete sentence. I only showed clips of wiki to show people what the golden ratio, or the coordinates for mecca is...
If you have no real arguments, just cling on to making stupid statements right!
captaindisguise 3 months ago
oops I just realized I meant to say land kilometers
derrikdlite 3 months ago
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if there are 19980 land miles between poles we need to see a ratio like 12348.32 and 7631.68. both equal 19980. Mecca is 12348.32 kilometers from the South Pole. if there are 19980 land miles between poles Mecca has to be 7631.68 miles from the North Pole. anyone who knows how to use the ruler feature can verify this themselves. 12348.32 divided by 7631.68 equals phi. 19880 divided by 12348.32 equals phi.
derrikdlite 3 months ago
and in the end of time my brother. u, other atheists and that devil guy with disbeliever trademark on his forehead will end up in hell fire. trust me that day will surely come. but before i go, i want u to give me an answer for this question, how was this universe created? God Bless u!!
DaQueenCityViet 3 months ago
@DaQueenCityViet "how was this universe created?"
I dont know and neither do you!
captaindisguise 3 months ago
5/3, 8/5, 13/8 NONE OF THEM equal the golden ratio just like 47/29 And you agree with this.
Everyway you look at it, there are literally gazillions spots on the planet that have this ratio. If I am wrong, PROVE IT instead of typing up incoherent nonsense with incomplete sentence structure
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise you are totally wrong and i mean; they are Not equal according to your ill vision to mathematics .... But, they (this sequence) are ;you accept or not; translating accurately the beauty of creation regarding the golden number as 47/29 shows part of the beauty of words of Allah (Qur'an) .....And i repeat it's a single ;not more; point as it is a positive number in the set of algebraic irrational numbers according to a reliable site called Wikipedia .... I hope you can see
NABEELSMSL 3 months ago
@NABEELSMSL You just said they are not equal and then you say I am wrong
Way to contradict yourself !
I don't see any point in repeating myself, Here is my last comment
1) 47/29 does not equal 1.618
2) Kaba is not at the 1.618
3) !.618 is not special as many billions of points will apply
4) The claim has been debunked
CIAO
captaindisguise 3 months ago
@captaindisguise Don't think that insisting on your sick way of analysis and repeating ignorant sentences will stand before the truth in the miracle about Mecca and Golden ratio and Qur'an .....Beside ;There is no contradiction in my words; it is only in your sick mind ..... You can't even reply one of the mathematical facts i showed you before ,instead; you are repeating your non-sense unscientific words....... YOUR DEBUNKING has been COMPLETELY FAILED .... Allah Akbar
NABEELSMSL 3 months ago
@NABEELSMSL Think what you like, you have not said anything of substance that can be taken seriously.
captaindisguise 3 months ago
@captaindisguise Allah Akbar
NABEELSMSL 3 months ago
Besides, The correct global timing should not be based on Greenwich .... scientifically, the correct meridian is crossing Mecca city .. That's why Arnold Keyserling ,a non-Muslim professor, said "The real meridian is not in Greenwich, but in Mecca, 40 degrees longitude, with the cube of the Kaaba" ... Check out the degree of magnetic north deviation in Mecca and Greenwich and tell us what you've got..... More signs from Allah if you want to see ..... Allah is the Greatest
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
Three ,You in the end of video did not measure correctly as part of the map was cut off (incomplete) .... four ,Don't speak about four possible Golden points of earth as every known image or picture have a single mean golden point as described by scientists on the up left ,you can review it if you want scientific talking .... as i said before all you have got is deepening the proof of that fact .... Allah is the Greatest
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL 5) where was the map cut off ?
6) why not talk about the four possible golden points. Who made the rule of a single golden point ? all other points are just as legitimate as you THINK kaba is but as I showed the Kaba is not at the golden point
Why don't you explain what "magnetic north deviation in Mecca and Greenwich" is ?
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise Allah Akbar .. As i always knew ,Atheists just don't want to believe or get convinced by any mean that's why you CAN'T think fairly or be faithful ... As when you tell me it's 1.620 and not 1.618 in the verse ,I'll tell you made me laugh, pathetic ...As in definition,if the ratio of the sum of the quantities to the larger quantity is equal to the ratio of the larger quantity to the smaller one APPROXIMATELY 1.6180339 ... and i will show u what (approximately) mean ..Allah Akbar
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL "it's 1.620 and not 1.618, APPROXIMATELY 1.6180339"
So your almighty god is only APPROXIMATELY powerful enough to create a quran where his magical miraculous verse was only APPROXIMATELY good enough. And then, his followers who (made that dishonest video) have to hide this APPROXIMATION bcuz it wasn't good enough.
If this is what you want to believe, go right ahead, but to a thinking person, there nothing here than mere (incorrect, inaccurate) numerology tricks
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise No ,It's never like this rubbish talking and injustice dark vision ..... you don't want the truth to be in Islamic side however it's obvious and clear .... Just don't tell the truth is Islamic whatever ..... The ratio is 1.61803399 right? ... No ,It's not right .. The golden ratio is an irrational mathematical constant "approximately" 1.61803398874989 as defined in the Wikipedia .... Why "APPROXIMATELY"? ....let's see
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL I don't understand why you are getting angry but whatever
The true equation for the golden ratio is (1 + sqrt(5))/2 = 1.618033...
47/29 is NOT equal to (1 + sqrt(5))/2
The kaba is NOT at (1 + sqrt(5))/2 point.
There are literally gazzilion spots on the planet that would give this ratio
Why are you getting mad at me for exposing a lie that you fell in love with ?
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise In brief ,To be applicable on extreme complicated nature and Allah's creation ... and it's not like this when talking about man doing .... So why this ratio special? Do you know? .....Adolf Zeising wrote in 1854 of a universal law "in which is contained the ground-principle of all formative striving for beauty and completeness in the realms of both nature and art, and which permeates, as a paramount spiritual ideal, all structures, forms and proportions,............"
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
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NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@captaindisguise ...........whether cosmic or individual, organic or inorganic, acoustic or optical; which finds its fullest realization, however, in the human form." from Wiki ... But did they find the exact number in the "nature" - which gives the number its value - or just approximation? let's ask Fibonacci sequence .... Why? .... The sequence represents the golden ratio in the nature in two consecutive Fibonacci numbers, such as branching in trees, arrangement of leaves on a stem........."
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL Since wikipedia is your trusted source, here is a quote from it
"However, some have argued that many of the apparent manifestations of the golden mean in nature, especially in regard to animal dimensions, are in fact fictitious."
Source : Pommersheim, James E., Tim K. Marks, and Erica L. Flapan, eds. 2010. Number Theory: A lively Introduction with Proofes, Applications, and Stories. John Wiley and Sons: 82.
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL CONTD Secondly, where is YOUR evidence that this number is divine or special or it has something to do with your GOD ????
The golden ratio is not exactly a random number. It's real definition : two quantities are in the golden ratio if the ratio of the sum of the quantities to the larger quantity is equal to the ratio of the larger quantity to the smaller one.
i.e (a+b)/a = a/b = (1 + sqrt(5))/2 = 1.618033
CONTD
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@NABEEL So this is not a random number but it has to do with physical lengths. We know that natural substances align themselves in configurations that require the least amount of energy. These configuration often come with beautiful symeetries and shape (hence the beautiful crystals, snow flakes) With this in mind, I would not be surprised if there are certain instance of the golden ratio appearing in nature as a method for creating energetically favorable reactions...hence, it could be natural
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise ...... the fruitlets of a pineapple,the flowering of artichoke, an uncurling fern and the arrangement of a pine cone ..... Besides,the ratio of sequential elements of the Fibonacci sequence (approaches) the golden ratio (asymptotically) ,They are intimately connected with the golden ratio, for example the closest rational "approximations" to the ratio are 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, ... Do you get it? explaining Allah's creation is not that simple like explaining man made .. finally
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@captaindisguise You can read more if want to know that approximately means accuracy in mathematics especially when you try to translate high supreme level of mathematics like Creation .... Allah's Creation and Quran are perfect and mathematics just trying to approach and "approximate" to explanations and not the opposite as you think ..... But i know that for Islam it must be wrong and away from truth whatever it is ..... Be faithful for a second ... Allah Akbar ... Islam will prevail whatever
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL Believe whatever you want, unless you can give evidence for anything you r claiming, i dont really care what you think of your 7th century mythology called Islam and the extremely boring Quran
As it stands right now, let me repeat again
47/29 is NOT equal to (1 + sqrt(5))/2
The kaba is NOT at (1 + sqrt(5))/2 point.
There are literally gazzilion spots on the planet that would give this ratio
The islamic video is wrong and dishonest. anyone believing it is deluded
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise Yes ,and let me also repeat that 5/3 and 8/5 and 13/8 .... ,in Fibonacci sequence which is more representing to the true natural forms and creation, are NOT equal to Phi but it is so accurate and applicable to reality ..... I forgot to say that it's a single point as it is a positive number in the set of algebraic irrational numbers according to Wiki except if u want to replace the north and south poles and rotate the world upside down as you did with the truth ... Allah Akbar
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@captaindisguise Approximately ,Variations ,Accepted error are terms used alot in the field of physics and mathematics and more in geography and mapping systems ..... Can't believe? .. I will borrow words from the site that you depended on in distance calcu. ... He said "Accuracy: since the earth is not quite a sphere, there are small errors in using spherical geometry; the earth is actually roughly ellipsoidal (or more precisely, oblate spheroidal) with a radius varying between ..." to be cont.
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@captaindisguise ".......This means that errors from assuming spherical geometry might be up to 0.55% crossing the equator, though generally below 0.3%, depending on latitude and direction of travel. An accuracy of better than 3m in 1km is mostly good enough for me ...... Out of sheer perversity – I’ve never needed such accuracy – I looked up this formula and discovered the JavaScript implementation was simpler than I expected" ....... Next "haversine formula" ... to be continued
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL "3m in 1km"
How about 277 km ? If I asked you to build a house in New York city and you ended up building it in Washington DC, do you expect me to say "oh the earth isn't a sphere, washington DC is close enough, APPROXIMATE enough to New York city, so this is perfect, GOOD JOB"
If that is the world you live in, well good luck
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise Now ....... I know well How genius ,brilliant and intelligent you are ..... and "TRUTHFUL"
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEEL "I know well How genius ,brilliant and intelligent you are and "TRUTHFUL""
Thank You. I value truth more than anything else which is why I had to leave Islam
If you have any peer reviewed scientific papers to support your claims, please send me the links and sources. You made the claim, you support it.
I have cut the map exactly as it was in the muslim video. so if mine was cut off, it was because their map was cut
If there is another map you want me to calculate on, send it to me
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise Even the haversine formula he used to measure distances contains errors as he fixed the R radius of the earth by 6371km and this makes errors as in every latitude on earth there is a different radius and affecting the distance for example:15° R:6339.70 km every 1 degree:110.649 km while 45° R:6367.38 km every 1 degree 111.132 km ..... check that if you want ...... I think the numbers they showed in the video is enough and accurate .... Next "The Longitude"
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@captaindisguise The Longitude of Kaaba is 39:49:12E ,and if you use any projection other than the Mercator projection it will differ ,for sure; but,incredibly, it is still near Mecca ... The Mercator projection and its variants are the most reliable maps used by Bing Maps,Google Maps,MapQuest,Yahoo Maps and others and still used commonly for navigation and the golden ratio point according to them is 39:48:53.42 E as mentioned in goldennumber website typical to that of Mecca .. Allah Akbar
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@captaindisguise Yes ,At 13:22 you did not completely extend the line to the left extremity of the map and you just stopped at the red line ... About the variation between the magnetic and geographic north ,it is the magnetic variation as Bowditch defined and not the magnetic declination as some thought .... there a variation in every city in the world including Greenwich except for Mecca where the magnetic north and geographical are identical .. check also for this .. Be fair to be able to see
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL The different Maps were used to show how this made it an arbitrary claim. as you could manufacture to fit whatever you wanted to do with it.
The map in 13:22 is not cut off, well unless the map in the video is cut off. I took it directly from the website
I haven't understood your claims about "magnetic variataion" Could you send me some peer reviewed scientific papers to support whatever it is that your are saying
captaindisguise 4 months ago
@captaindisguise No, I told you it is the most accurate reliable map used by Bing Maps,Google Maps,MapQuest,Yahoo Maps and others and still used commonly for navigation still with some errors and differences from reality.... not any map is acceptable ... And Yes it is from the website except for the last 2 mm on the left extremity .... About "magnetic variation" & "magnetic declination" you can know about it from Wikipedia if you love science .... I forgot to say that u can't escape from truth
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
And the counting of letters in the verse is precisely correct because you don't know that two same letters are written as one with a mark above in arabic .. that's one. Two, you're not searching for the truth you are only trying to do some noisy unscientific analysis by bringing not reliable accurate maps ,one of them is a political map and one from 16 century ,ignoring that all numbers you've got are so close to the golden ratio despite of knowing that there are variations in system of mapping;
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL 2) Yes I made a mistake with counting letters as I had stated in the annotation which you did not bother to read. As well as the fact the the counting of the letters exposed their dishonesty. 47/29 = 1.620 NOT 1.618. Why is your god so sloppy and not precise ?
3) My analysis was as scientific as the video. I did not aim for anything higher
4) the maps used were to show that using rectangular maps made whole endeavor a bit arbitrary
so nope, kaaba is nothing special
captaindisguise 4 months ago
How funny is this!!!.....This is really proving that Mecca is the mean golden point of the earth while you are trying ,hardly, to prove not ... Allah is the Greatest ... If you want ,by any mean, to prove it's not true and all that you got is 200 or 300 km away from Mecca while we are talking about tens of thousands of Km of distances on a planet scale;It ,itself, will be a strong proof that IT IS in Mecca region when u put in consideration the variations & deviations in the maps. Be faithful
NABEELSMSL 4 months ago
@NABEELSMSL Hello Nabeel
Your arguments are weak
1) It is a matter of precision and your calculation of 200 km over the earth circumference is unscientific. Think of playing darts. To be perfect, you want to hit the center. Imagine if I threw the dart it hit 1 m away from the dart board which is awful. Do you think it makes sense for me to say well "1 m away from the center while we are talking about tens of thousands of Km of distances on a planet scale; it, itself, is perfect
captaindisguise 4 months ago
around 9:03 ur vid fails again because mecca is city.one point in this area would support the ratio but u took an exact point .despite this ratio was close.
esraretin 5 months ago
yes i got it but that other 2 points are not particular places which last religion began. rigth?
esraretin 5 months ago
have u thougth people couldnt think about other points which are at the same paralel with mecca? but video puts mecca into vertical line then... altough im an agnostic ur video fails at least until 5:22.im still watching...
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin @ 5:30 is say "It does seem to me that the professionals who made that video were aware of the fact that Mecca wouldn't be the only place on the globe that would give you the proportion of 1.618 "
Here is an idea, reserve your public comments until you watch the whole video !
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise i watched the link u gave.that man doesnt know wht he did.he claimed that he calculated golden ratio point of a sphere!
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin "i watched the link u gave.that man doesnt know wht he did.he claimed that he calculated golden ratio point of a sphere! " Okay brother i have some news for that might cause a shift in the paradigm of your knowledge base. The planet earth is spherical.
PS - What exactly is your argument/ contention ?
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise my point is that one point on mecca supports golden ratio from poles. i havent calculated vertically but if a real measured map of the world supports it vertically too,this would be interesting. ur vid fails at that point because there is only one map! u showed different maps and said ratio is different! i dont think those who made the real ''miracle video'' didnt think about it. altough i myself will calculate it soon.last quran is really interesting book if u read whole book.
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin So lets get this straight
1) you agree kaba is not on the golden point
2) you agree there would be a gazillion golden points on this planet
3) You agree that different flat maps will give different golden points
So what exactly is your point ? Even is kaba is on the golden point, it is not special because there would be a gazillion such spots
PS - i am an exmuslim. I have read the quran. It is the worst pile of crap on this planet
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise this fails vertically.
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin "this fails vertically"
What does that mean ?
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise in vertical line of sphere u cant use any ratio:) but for poles its true.i dont know it may be true for a real map.im not sure
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin "in vertical line of sphere u cant use any ratio"
Could you just for once say something that is coherent ? What do you mean "vertical line of sphere" ?
What exactly is your argument ?
Everything said about mecca in the video was disproven ? What is your point ?
captaindisguise 5 months ago
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin 1) who decided a general map ? I took different maps including the one in the video, and none of them gave 1.618
2, 3) What vertical poles ?are you talking about north pole, south pole
4) What ?
5) Mecca is not.
You sound like a typical muslim.
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise watch?v=nUA0EGTGFtg
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin sigh, really the idiots at muhadditdotorg ? SIGH
Tell you what, with logic like yours, you would make an excellent muslim
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise not me u said im an ex-muslim!!!
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin Okay, i think you have serious problems with comprehension.
I never said you were an ex- muslim. I said I AM AN EX-Muslim.
I was born muslim. Now i am an agnostic atheist
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise wht do u believe? god isnt there ,even if there is, we cant prove it. rigth?
wht is the source of material in universe for u?
dont u think there is a mystery at beginning?
u are thinking about these things if u didnt think ,u wouldnt make this vid.
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin Like I said, i am an agnostic atheist. An agnostic atheist is someone who does not KNOW whether god exists or not (the agnostic part) but does not believe in god (the atheist part)
It is a great mystery and therein lies the beauty of the universe. Our uncertainty is what drives our pleasure for knowledge and that is the beauty of positive skepticism
PS - i would have made this video even if i am a muslim. Lies and deception should always be exposed even if they are dear to you
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise i thougth a bit about golden ratio again. mecca has the point which supports 1,618 for poles.imagine a geoid there are only 2 real poles and one real ecuador. but meridians are imaginary. yesterday i mixed up the words horizontal and vertical. u can calculate gold ratio 2 paralels for geoid but u cant calculate its horizontal golden ratio meridians. that is wht i was trying to explain with my very limited english yesterday.
about god i say.god has to be.
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin "mecca has the point which supports 1,618 for poles"
I've repeatedly asked you what you mean by this. are you talking about the distance from north pole and south pole. Then as shown in the video, EVEN if mecca is at the so called golden point. There are going to be INFINITELY many such points on the map. Mecca is then no longer unique.
Then in the second part of the video, i calculate the distance and mecca is NOT at this point
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise i used google earth i found 1,644 now for a point inside mecca u can find the 1,618 and i know its not unique .mecca is on that 1,618 paralel thats all.ok look 180 / 2,618 = 68,754. 90-68,754 =21,246
ok now look for meccas paralel degree from anywhere.
esraretin 5 months ago
@captaindisguise check out my comment on TheRationalizer's video.he got wht i am talking about
esraretin 5 months ago
@captaindisguise believe or not i dont call myself muslim.but numbers are numbers. last religion is last religion.
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin you sound exactly like a deluded muslim or a christian when they play with numbers in the bible
"last religion is last religion"
What does that mean ?
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise kehf surah 96. iron and copper first time is mentioned together in surah and its says put iron and copper among two mountains.
when u read this surah its meaningless.but quran itself says that some surah has secrets.
look now! take that ''2'' (mountains) and put that begining of surah nımber.
29 and 26
these are electron numbers of cu and fe.
also quran for an element only one time says we sent it down.its iron...
i find them interesting.
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin I see you are one of those numerology/ scientific miracle seeking deluded apologists
Well good luck then, maybe one day when you attain common sense, you will realize that these claims are utter BullShit (just like the bible code and miracle claims from the bible)...and you will leave islam, If not enjoy following a 7th century mythology
PS - could you list the verse in sura 96 that mentions copper ?
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise Bring me sheets of iron" - until, when he had leveled [them] between the two mountain walls, he said, "Blow [with bellows]," until when he had made it [like] fire, he said, "Bring me, that I may pour over it molten copper."
look at the numbers
2-9-6
iron and copper for first time
its a holy book
every sentence could have secrects
29 and 26
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin I misread your comment and thought you were talking about "sura 96"
Well anyways, good luck with dumb numerology
captaindisguise 5 months ago
@captaindisguise no surah 18:96
surah kahf number 96
esraretin 5 months ago
@esraretin like i said, good luck with your stupid numerology tricks
captaindisguise 5 months ago
It is funny how people perceives Islam as a hateful and violent religion, but fail to hear themselves talking and spreading lies and hate about Islam, using all kinds of words to deface Islam
worldpeace32 5 months ago
man, you must either be jobless or a islam-hater... poor people
JackInTheBox099 6 months ago
@captaindisguise
There was no need to watch the whole video. Since it is obvious, that the video aims to hurl insults on religions and the religious people. The debunking should be directed to the maker of the video and not on the religion and the religious people.
CHEMSTAR333 6 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 Well obviously you didnt watch the video
Could you give me a timestamp of where i "hurled insults" at religious people or even your religion in this video. I made this about a year ago and as i remember, i didn't do such a thing
To the contrary, all did was at the very end , request the makers of the video to be more clever in producing dishonest claims
Dont you think it is premature to argue without even understand what you are arguing against ?
captaindisguise 6 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 Don't feel insulted then you sensitive little child. Simples.
aby1ism 5 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 Don't feel insulted then you sensitive little child. Simples.
aby1ism 5 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 Plus the videos were never insulting but that's obvious to anyone except a moron. OPPS
aby1ism 5 months ago
@captaindisguise
As people know, many atheists are far more hateful than the religious fanatics. But such fanatics can’t see their own hate. The day they will realize that what they have is a hate and not some kind of wisdom or intellect, they may find that the religious people were right all along. But first they have to realize that if the religious people are self deceiving, than they too were doing the same and hopefully will go on from there to a self discovery.
Cntd.
CHEMSTAR333 6 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 "As people know, many atheists are far more hateful than the religious fanatics. But such fanatics can’t see their own hate. "
YEAH YEAH, and the worst these atheist fanatics have done are write books and give lectures and enter debates...and oh small time fanatics like me make videos on youtube pointing out lies and pseudoscience that muslim charalatans spread around
How Fanantical of us ?
captaindisguise 6 months ago
@captaindisguise
1. Locate Mecca on any of the select maps.
2. Make a diagonal line, see if it passes Mecca on the same map.
3. Measure distances and get the ratio on the diagonal.
4. Measure the distances from North and South poles to Mecca. Get the ratio of this distances.
If all three points conform to the ratio, that should be enough to accept that the original video claims as correct.
Contd.
CHEMSTAR333 6 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 I did the 4 steps you mentioned on 4 different maps INCLUDING the map used in the video, and NONE of them gave mecca as the golden ratio point
Besides, using a ruler on a map is not the right way to do it...here is a video that measures it correctly using latitudes
watch?v=RrzGT6YV5XM
captaindisguise 6 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 hahaha pawned b!tch!! if you still cant get yur head outta yur B.. nothing will help you, learn to accept the reality how bitter it may b. i know religions makes you feel btr, cos you feel you have a group, gang or belong to one. BUT it doesnt change the reality. my honest appeal to you would be, pls read some science books, look at the evidence with clear mind and then make your decision. rather than blindly n with full ego, supporting one cult.
chinamanspeakenlis 6 months ago
OK! i know arabic and u have counted the letters wrong.. the letter with the symbol ّ on top of it acctually consists of TWO LETTERS. THAT symbol in arabic combines 2 letters together and if u counted again it would be 29. :)
cuteprettyme7 6 months ago
@cuteprettyme7 yes i understand i made a mistake. i even put an annotation admitting it
captaindisguise 6 months ago
captaindisguise: It seems this video has proven the original one to be correct - though inadvertently. This video established four points on the globe, one of them being Mecca. Now only just one more attempt has to be made to agree with the original video claim. This video has done that too by admitting that by selecting a certain type of map the original video can place Mecca to fit its claim. Question; which map? Answer: the original video map selection will seem correct to most people.
CHEMSTAR333 6 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 "This video established ...Mecca."
No, actually it doesnt, in the first halfof the video, i worked under the presumption of the original video that mecca was at the golden point and then went on to show there will be several such point on the globe, therefore there is nothing special about. It is in the second half that i check WHETHER Mecca is such a point
CONTD
captaindisguise 6 months ago
@CHEMSTAR333 CONTD
"This video has ... Mecca"
You didnt watch the video carefully. I used 4 maps and all 4 of them showed us that mecca was NOT at the golden point. Secondly as you admit, the map can adjusted to fit ANY POINT on the globe to be at such a point. Therefor, there is nothing special about.
Thirdly, using a ruler on a map is not the correct way to determine this ( this is what the original video and I did)
This video calculates it accurately
watch?v=RrzGT6YV5XM
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captaindisguise 6 months ago
Makkah is located on the Arabian peninsula, between Africa, Asia, and Europe. If all the of the earth's landmasses are fitted together, Makkah is in the center.
failure #4 or is it #5
thegeniushasreturned 6 months ago
@thegeniushasreturned How about some actual numbers rather than just a statement from a guy who calls himself a geniues but does not even know that water freezing to ice decreases entropy.
And how about explaining how the spherical earth has a center on its surface ? or do you believe that the earth was flat just like all the early muslims believed from reading the quran
captaindisguise 6 months ago
@captaindisguise okay this is going to be very simple to comprehend ready?
when we ask the center of our galaxy we are not asking which empty space is the center we are asking which planet!
when we ask the center of our planet we are not asking about the core we are taking about the land mass..
easy to understand? the center of the earth is mecca.
there are two kinds of entropy logical entropy and thermodynamic entropy thats what you fail to understand time and time again.
thegeniushasreturned 6 months ago
@thegeniushasreturned Well please prove Mecca is the center of the earth and also explain how it is possible for any point on the surface of the sphere to be considered a center
"logical entropy ad thermodynamic entropy"
LOL, i dont know what 'logical entropy" is...i do know what thermodynamic entropy (better than obviously) and there is more to the 2nd law than the simple statement (disorder comes from order)
Get an education please
captaindisguise 6 months ago
@captaindisguise did i not just tell you how it was the center?
i just explained that to obviously it went right over you head
i know that you dont understand logical entropy however it is part of thermodynamics thats why you cant understand evolutions violation of thermodynamics. learn about J. Willard Gibbs and what he taught in the nineteenth century its sad you still dont know this information
thegeniushasreturned 6 months ago
@captaindisguise continued the quran said the earth is that of an ostrich egg
your propaganda against islam is beyond pathetic considering the fact you went out of your way to tell lies.
thegeniushasreturned 6 months ago
@thegeniushasreturned "ostrich egg"
First of all, earth is not shaped like an egg.
Secondly, the word 'daha' means something like an expanse. "dahaha" it was made into an expanse. it does NOT mean "ostrich egged". No dictionaries define it as ostrich egg but they do define it as being flat/expanse
captaindisguise 6 months ago
@captaindisguise ostritch egg is the exact shape of the world!
The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.
congratulations you earned the epic fail award
thegeniushasreturned 6 months ago
@thegeniushasreturned "ostritch egg is the exact shape of the world!"
Okay ! You are a moron. Go away
captaindisguise 6 months ago
@captaindisguise i thought so just give up your propaganda is worthless
thegeniushasreturned 6 months ago
@thegeniushasreturned yeah whatever, you are still a moron
captaindisguise 6 months ago
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worldpeace32 5 months ago
@thegeniushasreturned Read the classical tafsir of Al-Jalalyn, "As for His words sutihat, ‘laid out flat’, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the [revealed] Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay’a) have it"
perhaps you should look deeper into the quran rather than listening to charlatans like Joker Naik, Harun YAYA
captaindisguise 6 months ago
I believe in Islam and personaly i dont agree with what some muslims claims excessively 'like the miracle of mecca'' since God Allah didnt mention this in the holy Quran ,though this dosent mean Islam is not the right path; because i do believe in other miracls that are surely true , in fact inspite of the scientific miracles there's more thousands of philosophic and ideologic proves that convinced me to believe in Islam
learn before you judge and try to be curious instead of judgmental
risingwarem 7 months ago
@risingwarem >"though this dosent mean Islam is not the right path"
I agree
>"in fact inspite of the scientific miracles"
There aren't any scientific miracles
>"thousands of philosophic and ideologic proves that convinced me to believe in Islam"
Thousands ! seems interesting. could you list as many of them as you can. TY
captaindisguise 7 months ago
@risingwarem
what is islam?
its a cult and way of dictatorship invented by a pedophile rapist thief mohamed.
who is allah? it aint GOD, its a useless black stone in the kaaba where you fucking muslims bow and run round in circles like mad lunatics.
what is the quran? a pile of garbage consisting of hate/violence and stupid vaque copied stories/ literature and pseudo science from greek works.
so fuck you islam, you are a muslim cos you were born into this shit
muhamadick 7 months ago
Empirical evidence to religious claims is like bleach to bacteria.
Zed1967 8 months ago
Muslims go out of their way to lie, fabricate things and change the truth so they could give their religion some kind of legitimacy. They do this with historical things, places, science and everything else for that matter. Why would their Allah (Mohammed) state Mecca/Mekkah in chapter 48:24 then call it Bakka in 3:96? Muslims cant even present any kind of proof and evidence to back their claim. Bakka was Bakhra, Bakra, Balkh, Bakhtar Bactra, the ancient holy city of zoroastrians in Persia.
Kourosh587 8 months ago
The average length of a Muslims penis is : 1.618"
MrBrational 8 months ago
What a stupid video lol
neonn2 8 months ago
@neonn2 do you have any real objections which i can address ? I bet you don't ! lol
captaindisguise 8 months ago
@captaindisguise I have real objections and I've debated them in great depth with The Rationalizer. so much so that he's now blocked me from debating them further. Yet more proof that he's not 100% confident in his own calculations. The simple fact is this- whether the centre of the planet is 100 miles or 200 miles from the Kaaba it's still a notable point of discussion considering the vast amount of space available on this huge rock that we share.
MrLeodis202 7 months ago
@MrLeodis202 How exactly does the golden ratio point correspond to the center of the earth ? Where did the centre of earth come from ? The real ceter of the earth would be in the inner core, not on the surface...
And secondly, if the golden ratio point is special, there are many other points where this applies ? Are they all special
Could you please list your objections ?
captaindisguise 7 months ago
@captaindisguise Ley lines are hypothetical alignments of a number of places of geographical interest, such as ancient monuments and megaliths. They're basically the contours of the planet and where they meet has been of significant important due to their emitting energies. Stonehenge is a major crossing path for these lay lines, so is Mekka. If you take the 4 co-ordinates from the Golden Ratio theory and draw a X between them the centre of these lines is on The Kaaba. Check for yourself.
MrLeodis202 7 months ago
@MrLeodis202 Ley lines? i dont what these are and they dont have anything to do with this video or the original muslim fraud video
Emitting energies ? Now that sounds like religious pseudoscience, and i think i know why therationalizer blocked u
Can you produce and scientific papers from peer reviewd journals to support what you have said.
No, the golden ratio does not fall on the kaaba, as shown in the 3 videos (including mine) listed in the description box.
captaindisguise 7 months ago
@captaindisguise Continent movement, a shift in the poles, calculation errors the list goes on. It's only 100-200 miles out! it's too close for comfort.
MrLeodis202 7 months ago
where are you ?
newnejm2 8 months ago
OK explain this now
watch?v=-VNkL77uf8g
newnejm2 8 months ago
@newnejm2 I didnt understand the claim. Can you explain it ?
captaindisguise 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@captaindisguise this is the first mosque in the world make by mohamed he now the direction of the kaab by the montain
newnejm2 8 months ago
wait dude 11:30 your ligne is not straight ;)
randomguyalwayshere 8 months ago
go in front of mecca, people say you cry and your a différente man.
randomguyalwayshere 8 months ago
Ratio = 12,334.7 / 7,564.29 = 1.631 (Aprox)
The difference = 1.618 - 1.631 = -0.0126
This means there is ONLY an error of 96 KM (aprox).
So how accurate is your method of measuring the distances? Have you used a Mercator map to do it - do you know the level of accuracy of that map?
Don't you think that an error of only 96 KM/ 40,076 km = 0.002% is some what significant!!!! Personally I think its YOU whose wrong and am starting to BELIEVE this miracle, and maybe so should you?
eddyjawed 8 months ago
@eddyjawed it is actually 277 KM, watch this video
watch?v=RrzGT6YV5XM
Would you then agree that every point on earth that comes out to 1.618 or a number close to it are special ?
captaindisguise 8 months ago 4
@captaindisguise Some argue that the golden ratio itself is nothing special. But, if you think it is, and your a religious site, and your within a fraction of it, taking into account the probability of human error in measuring vast distances of the planet....yeah i think then theres something special there and its not to be scoffed at so easily.
eddyjawed 8 months ago
@eddyjawed i dont think its special. I was simply debunking the dishonest video. I am not religious
So you believe the number is special, then like i pointed out in the video, there will be literally gazillion points on the earth that will give you this number. The calculation you did, you divided distance to the SP by the distance to the NP. Dont you think every point on that latitude will give you the number ? Similarily you can do the opposite, take 7564.29 from the SP !
captaindisguise 8 months ago
@captaindisguise There won't be a gazillion major religious points though, thats what I'm trying to say.
eddyjawed 8 months ago
@eddyjawed look the Black Stone is so moved by tributs in meeka region but finally stayed in meeka
newnejm2 8 months ago
@newnejm2 i didnt understand what you are saying. Wht does the black stone have to do with the video you sent me ? Please explain that video to me as i have no clue wht it was claiming
captaindisguise 8 months ago
@captaindisguise
en .wikipedia org/wiki/Black_Stone
newnejm2 8 months ago
@newnejm2 i know what the black stone is retard. I have even kissed that stupid rock. You are obviously trolling or dont understand english
captaindisguise 8 months ago
@captaindisguise
do you see the video? watch?v=6fxiegsIsj0&feature=related
newnejm2 8 months ago
@newnejm2 I saw the video. I didnt understand it. I am asking you to explain what the video says for the FOURTH time...dont you understand english ?
"right in the kaab ,How was this possible?"
I was born in a muslim family. Me and my family did umra when i was young
captaindisguise 8 months ago
@captaindisguise
youtube.com/watch?v=6fxiegsIsj0
sorry
newnejm2 8 months ago
@newnejm2 okay FUCK OFF troll. I have been very patient with you. I told you 5 time that i have watched the video but you keep sending me the same link when i ask you to explain the video
You either dont speak english, or you are stupid or you are just an annoying troll
captaindisguise 8 months ago