"pull it" is not a term used in demo it's just two words used when actualy pulling a building in one direction or another.The owner of a building has no authority to suddenly decide to control demo in any case,nor would the fire dept. be in any way involved in such a decision.
Im more interested in evidence that flight 77 hit the Pentangon, not evidence for a missile. April Gallop was a witness, she saw along with everyone she spoke to NO plane parts etc herself and none of the people she spoke to there had jet fuel on them and she walked out of the impact hole. If it was a crime scene, when are we going to be shown evidence that it was flight 77 that hit the Pent from the serial numbers of the time-change parts of this plane?
April Gallop has a lawsuit and every reason to lie -- there is NO witness statements that support her. There are many witnesses to plane parts, hell, they even found and identified the bodies
No - what you mean is they they changed their story to cover-up the original "mistake" - GULLIBLE peeps will believe any old crap they are fed from their Govt
And this doesn't explain why the US Govt wont provide PROPER evidence like the serial numbers from the time-change parts of flight 77 to conclusively prove that Flight 77 hit the pentagon. Why not?
757 weighs approx 100 tonnes, where is all the wreckage ? Did it all just "vapoirize" then?
If you want to have a discussion, you have to reply to me, not just post random shit
gullible is a truther trait, you believe anything seen on youtube that supports your belief
think about this -- do you really beleive those flights did not exist? think of how many people would have direct knowledge of the flights ... travel agents, the air lines, FAA, NTSB, the air ports -- thousands of individuals -- this is so stupid
If you look I did reply but I posted the "random shit" by mistake also. YOU believe anything the Govt tells you -THATS gullible if not you are just paid to defend the indefensible. Everything needs to be questioned as the US Govt is so secretive.
Explain to me about the wreckage of flight 77 , the 100 tonnes ,where is it ?!
@Denierbud11 "I believe the evidence" what evidence? Its up to the US Govt to prove its case NOT the general public.All they've done is told us what has happened, and no-one had been charged publicly for 9/11. Theres NO transparency.
The Govt WILL NOT provide evidence that the wreckage at the Pentagon was from Flight 77, so we are just expected to take their word for it- NO WAY.
Wheres the 100 tonnnes of 757 wreck? Thats "evidence" .Tell me what happens to wreckage after ALL plane crashes?
the evidence is the evidence -- much of it in the public domain -- like witness statements
there have in fact been people charged, tried and convicted, you must be quoting from an old truther site -- or you are just an ignorant fool
the DNA from every person at the Pentagon has been verified with one exception, a small child was not located -- there are reports from the Arlington Fire Department concerning the crash, that is in the public domain, have you looked at it?
@Denierbud11 I've already said its up to the US Govt to prove ITS case. The US went to war based on this,. Again , the 100 tonnes of 757at the Pentagon?- where's the wreckage and where's the evidence from the serial numbers of the time-change parts?
The people tried and convicted, presume you're talikng about the Guantanamo detainees who were tortured - wasn't that a milit court not a public court? So the Gen pub dont get to scrutinise the evid. we just have to take the US govts word for it.
@Denierbud11 Witness stmts - conflicts all over the place.SO not definitive.
DNA -yet again another contentious issue.There is NO proper evid of bodies from Flight 77 being IN the Pent.DNA was gath and proc at Dover AFB, NOT the Pent.
It’s poss to fake rpts on alleged DNA or plant it, would you not agree?
Its not verifyable by any independent source
Barbara Olsen ? Were her remains ident from DNA then?The supp phone call from the plane by her toTed was adm by the FBI to have not occured.
Building 7? What about the dark grey military jets, that were transparent, and not visible from above (there was a video from helicopter). They were holograms. HOLOGRAMS. They were shapeshifters. Djinn did it. Our leaders are not human beings.
THIS SHOWS US ALL HOW LOW THESE SO-CALLED DEDUNKERS SCUM WILL GO. THEY SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF THE VICTIMS. AND AS FOR THE REST OF US, THEY INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE!!!
Makes me laugh, these loons that support the Governments joke theory that change their arguments to suit what ever the question is that arises. One nut job outfit like PM will say they vapourised and another nut job like Denierbud11 will say they didn't!!
Match it with the victims on the planes and the military DNA data base. If you have samples of all others, those that do not match would belong to the terrorists.
"and the military dna database", so thay were known then?......So all the DNA was taken successfully from the victims and matched successfully.......................Man you lot just get wackier and wackier!!!
your incredulity is meaningless and is a weak argument
the fact remains, that eliminating what is known and examining the remainder is standard criminal procedure
All Pentagon workers are in the military DNA data base, the family members of all civilian and crew on the plane provided dna, the dna for the human remanis that are not either Pentagon or flight crew, passengers are, by process of elimination and logic, the DNA of the terrorists
@Denierbud11 "by process of elimin and logic, the DNA of the terrorists" In other words the terrorists were NOT positively identified, it was a proc of elimination. Its fatally flawed as there's no evid they got on the planes (where's the cam footge of them at the Boston airport?) and even the plane parts serial numbers have not been independently verified as being from the 9/11 planes as the FOIA requests have been denied.The Govt doesn't show any transparency, thats"logical"
@Denierbud11 Why stupid ? FOIA requests have been filed for proof of all four plane ID's via serial stamped parts OR the flight envelopes, BOTH of which are on EVERY commercial flight The FBI refuses to provide such proof. Yet another example of the US Govt and its agencies lack of transparency on the 9/11 story. To elaborate, NTSB investigators would record serial numbers of major components, then contact manuf of said component to detrmine what aircraft it was installed upon
the passengers were identified via DNA -- what do you think would be harder to fake, serial numbers or DNA? the black boxes were found for two of the planes
@Denierbud11 All hijackers were identified (?)with DNA. but, to make identification with DNA you need a sample to compare it to. How would the U.S. govt get samples from hjackrs families to make the comparisons? NTSB AA flight 77/UA flight 93 flight data recorder reports,have NO device serial numbers.
Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the NTSB in the past 20 years, the 9/11 'black boxes' are virtually the ONLY ones without listed serial numbers.
@Denierbud11 Lets identify the planes that were used on 911 first, a good place to start in a "proper" investig.After all, conclus ID of the plane being investigtd is a essential,yes?
2 BBs were found there were NO serial nos so no proof that the info prov is from the BBs of these planes. In last 20 years the NTSB have investig 21 crashes in US and all (apart from 1 not equipped with an FDR) have s/nos quoted.
FOIA req denied so theres no proof analyised FDR data is from these planes
@Denierbud11 how do we know the FDR info extracted and analyised by the Govt and its agencies is from these actual planes? We don't-.Like many other things in the 9/11 story, we only have the word of the Govt. How can the info we have been given be independently verified?At the BTS site there were no tail nos listed for flight 11 and 77 - listed as "unknown"departure time 0.00.The original BTS site "departure stats" actually had "no record exists" for both flights on 9/11.So no sched flights
@Denierbud11 Have you got a specific link or post from the forum on the "debunking" of BTS to explain the absence of tail numbers listed for me to check?
Like I said identifying the actual aircraft involved is critical in any investigation- these 2 planes haven't been identified by the serial numbers We can't trust the analyised FDR data that we have been fed until there is proof it is from these planes
"NOTE: Late, cancelled and diverted flights are subtracted from total flights to determine on-time percent.
A complete listing of airline and airport abbreviations is available. Times are reported in local time using a 24 hour clock.
On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics."
@Denierbud11 "On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics."This info you provided is from the current BTS site,the note in quotes was added to the BTS website after Nov 2003. On the original version of the website prior to this AA11 and AA77 are stated to be non-existent.Google Gerard Holmgren or the serendipity website on this topic
@Denierbud11 No - what you mean is they they changed their story to cover-up the original "mistake" - GULLIBLE peeps will believe any old crap they are fed from their Govt
And this doesn't explain why the US Govt wont provide PROPER evidence like the serial numbers from the time-change parts of flight 77 to conclusively prove that Flight 77 hit the pentagon. Why not?
757 weighs approx 100 tonnes, where is all the wreckage ? Did it all just "vapoirize" then?
hmm, i wonder if the demolitions experts that were called were the same ones who were there on 9/11. oh wait, there were no demolitions teams there on 9/11, only firefighters, and other rescue workers. Can you maybe call the NY firefighters who were THERE and ask them what "pull it" meant...?
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That popular machanics guy wasn't very intelligent. The reason we know which hijackers hijacked the planes are based on the plane rosters and airport security tapes that confirm these people were there. It has nothing to do with dna. And they did say "Pull it" , but that was in reference to a smaller building close by, not building 7, and they said "pull it", because they actually pulled it down, they didn't blow it up.
Listen at 0:26 onwards when Davin, says that he was responsible for making sure that everything was accurate in the PM publication.........It's frankly embarrassing. I really am embarrassed for him as he is clearly out of his depth and has no legitimacy. However, I guess when you consider the other buffoons of PM that have been taken to task in debate and proven to be discredited it should not be a surprise. What are these idiots on!!
all one needs to do is watch wtc 7 go down. then watch a recorded demolition. if that doesnt tell you something is wrong from start to finish i dont know what will.
Looks like an intense debate on here!....It always comes across that the "Believers" of the Governments conspiracy theory are extremely lacking in any kind of constructive logic. Why do they find it so difficult to ask questions of their Government and why do they just believe all that they are told?...It is in my view a clear indicator of intensive conditioning.
The ratio of evil-doer belongings surviving relative to all the other passengers is alarming to any thinking person.
A thinking person views all these 9/11 oddities *together* as circumstantial evidence.
Muckup is backward. He formed the opinion first that 9/11 couldn't be an inside job, then he set about making excuses - one by one - for all the hundreds of coincidences.
It's called denial. He calls it being enlightened.
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"The ratio of evil-doer belongings surviving relative to all the other passengers is alarming....."
Based on what? Perhaps you have a list? Something other than "all i've heard about is someone's wedding ring compared to one terrorist passport and his bandana"?
"He formed the opinion first that 9/11 couldn't be an inside job, then he set about making excuses"
As opposed to buying into the Loose Change BS and being a sucker for every bit of 'truther' conjecture posted since?
Veloce3: "Your above comment is "SUPPOSITION"......"
I suggest that you consult a dictionary as i'm pretty sure that the presentation/description of two POSSIBILITIES does not come under the definition of a supposition.
Muckedupagain- "Two possibilities " that are subject to supposition "assumption: a hypothesis that is taken for granted"......Unless of course YOUR suppositions are based on FACT!!.........I think you need a new dictionary pal....Perhaps you should learn how to comprehend the Queens English, before you attempt to use words that you don't know the meaning of.......Just like you wack job conspiracy theory, you clearly enjoy distorting the facts
""Two possibilities " that are subject to supposition"
Two possibilities, one of which you elected to completely ignore because it doesn't fit your version of events. Your ignorance of alternative explanations is either supposition (the assumption that the sole possibility that YOU presented is fact) or a deliberate attempt to mislead by not presenting the alternative possibilities.
horjan- I note that you respond to my question(of which you cannot answer) with a question. Do you people (although few and far between) ever get embarrassed about yourselves. Obviously not, you are constantly found out , with nothing of any credibility or independently verifiable and yet you continue to revel in the fact that you make yourselves look like idiots. I guess that's what the official conspiracy relies upon...NUT jobs like you!
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"The survival of terrorist IDs at multiple "crash" sites is magical alright."
As usual, bezoar, you've ignored most of my post and settled on a partial quote. You overlook how many other passenger items survived the impacts intact and focus on only those belonging to the terrorists.
But that's to be expected of the you and your kin.....anything you can do to make it all seem unbeliveable to anyone that doesn't take a moment to figure out how blinkered your comments are.
muck- As usual you focus on one small part of the important facts...As you seem to have ALL THE ANSWERS....What is the mathematical probability of the passport owned by the alleged hijacker being found......How many other passports were found from other passengers in excellent condition and what is your source and where can we view this information?
"What is the mathematical probability of the passport owned by the alleged hijacker being found"
LOL.....let me get this right. You obviously haven't conducted that calculation yourself yet, in the absence of that data, you and your brethren have no problem sensationlising the terrorist passport by describing its survival as 'magical' or whatever adjective you choose to use?
Shouldn't you being doing that research before making such off-the-cuff remarks?
This video is embarrasing "pull it means pull it down!" Lol, 11 controlled demolition companies say that pull it means pulling a building down with wires and cables, not by blowing ANYTHING up. But I agree, Coburn was owned with the DNA thing
Muck.Your comment makes more and more sense now as I think about it..If they didn't get the DNA from the personal effects left in Hotels etc, they could have got some from the magical Passports(not needed for domestic flights,that ejected themselves form the HJ's pockets and then from the raging Inferno and then from the pulverised buildings, exploding out of the building along with the massive steel girders that were being exploded OUT) that were found at the obliterated WTC site ...eh?
Muck-"so did the hijackers burn all their wordly possessions or did they leave their places of residence in the same state any of us would do when leaving for work......with personal effects such as combs, toothbrushes, towels, etc dotted about"
Your above comment is "SUPPOSITION"......See anyone can use that word and pretend to be right !!
You have no idea with your "magical passports" claims. Several pieces of papers, life-wests, and personal artifacts (belonging to flight 11) were found down on the street, even more brittle than the passports. How? 1500 pounds of compressed air in the cabing blew these things out, its called a shockwave. BTW, there were no passportS, just passport. Sadam Al Suqamis passport was the only one retreived.
Horjan---Oh really!.......actually if you do some research you'll find that 2 passports allegedly belonging to so called terrorists have been retrieved. It may serve you well to do some research. Anyway, Al suqamis passport found a couple of blocks away was in extremely good condition and survived even though 95% of the plane and its passengers were vaporised.... convenient don't you think!...yep, I think we can call it a "magical passport"...........and your source for the other artifacts IS???
horjan....."A picture"...........OK, I think we can safely discount horjan!!....It's amazing how, when you ask the loons to help someone like me understand what happened(as they appear to have ALL the answers) they come back with answers that are nothing short of psychological dementia....I guess thats why they are called LOONS
I particularly like the way that the guy that called into Controlled Demolition leads the woman at the other end into the answer he needs. Instead of asking "What term do you use to describe/instruct the demolition of a building?" he decided to ask "if you were in the demolition business and you said the term 'pull it' i was wondering exactly what that would mean?". A very clever tactic; give the person the answer you want and then ask the question.....
but he just asked what does the term pull it mean?
and she said, when you pul, the building down. this is to PULL a building down, with wires and cables, like they did the other building that day, WTC5 i think it was.
this is the only time pull it is ever used in CD as far as i have been able to find
- The bandana (which in the picture shows no visible damage from the crash) and passports/visas/I.D.s recovered from the crater/wreckage of flight 93.
- Mohammed Atta/Satam al-Sugami passports were found at ground zero in reasonable to good condition.
"Debunkers" accept this as evidence, very sad indeed. The masses don't bother to look into 9/11, there is no excuse for these so-called "debunkers"= MORONS.
Also NIST debunks themselves, admits free-fall concerning WTC7 after 7yrs.
Let's think about that for a minute: the hijackers spent a period of time in the USA, living in hotels/apartments/whatever....so did the hijackers burn all their wordly possessions or did they leave their places of residence in the same state any of us would do when leaving for work......with personal effects such as combs, toothbrushes, towels, etc dotted about?
Or do you think that they completely sterilised everything that they ever touched?
They could have burned all they're possesions in the USA. They went onto the airplane with luggage. What do you put in your luggage? And even if there was DNA left behind after the fact. How do you go back to they're hotel and determine which DNA is which? It's impossible cause they're under thousands of pounds of rubble and probably burned to an ash.
Nothing do go against facts. Pull-it also meanst we aren't going to run the story. And I heard one guy on that Discovery Channel Demo sho say "drop-it". Slang is slang and they made a good guess.
"pull it" is not a term used in demo it's just two words used when actualy pulling a building in one direction or another.The owner of a building has no authority to suddenly decide to control demo in any case,nor would the fire dept. be in any way involved in such a decision.
Redrover8431 2 weeks ago
Im more interested in evidence that flight 77 hit the Pentangon, not evidence for a missile. April Gallop was a witness, she saw along with everyone she spoke to NO plane parts etc herself and none of the people she spoke to there had jet fuel on them and she walked out of the impact hole. If it was a crime scene, when are we going to be shown evidence that it was flight 77 that hit the Pent from the serial numbers of the time-change parts of this plane?
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
April Gallop has a lawsuit and every reason to lie -- there is NO witness statements that support her. There are many witnesses to plane parts, hell, they even found and identified the bodies
Denierbud11 3 months ago
No - what you mean is they they changed their story to cover-up the original "mistake" - GULLIBLE peeps will believe any old crap they are fed from their Govt
And this doesn't explain why the US Govt wont provide PROPER evidence like the serial numbers from the time-change parts of flight 77 to conclusively prove that Flight 77 hit the pentagon. Why not?
757 weighs approx 100 tonnes, where is all the wreckage ? Did it all just "vapoirize" then?
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
If you want to have a discussion, you have to reply to me, not just post random shit
gullible is a truther trait, you believe anything seen on youtube that supports your belief
think about this -- do you really beleive those flights did not exist? think of how many people would have direct knowledge of the flights ... travel agents, the air lines, FAA, NTSB, the air ports -- thousands of individuals -- this is so stupid
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11
If you look I did reply but I posted the "random shit" by mistake also. YOU believe anything the Govt tells you -THATS gullible if not you are just paid to defend the indefensible. Everything needs to be questioned as the US Govt is so secretive.
Explain to me about the wreckage of flight 77 , the 100 tonnes ,where is it ?!
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
no, I believe the evidence
something you do not have
prove flight 77 did not crash -- provide a plausible alternative -- explain how four flights could be created from nothing
betcha can't
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 "I believe the evidence" what evidence? Its up to the US Govt to prove its case NOT the general public.All they've done is told us what has happened, and no-one had been charged publicly for 9/11. Theres NO transparency.
The Govt WILL NOT provide evidence that the wreckage at the Pentagon was from Flight 77, so we are just expected to take their word for it- NO WAY.
Wheres the 100 tonnnes of 757 wreck? Thats "evidence" .Tell me what happens to wreckage after ALL plane crashes?
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
the evidence is the evidence -- much of it in the public domain -- like witness statements
there have in fact been people charged, tried and convicted, you must be quoting from an old truther site -- or you are just an ignorant fool
the DNA from every person at the Pentagon has been verified with one exception, a small child was not located -- there are reports from the Arlington Fire Department concerning the crash, that is in the public domain, have you looked at it?
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 I've already said its up to the US Govt to prove ITS case. The US went to war based on this,. Again , the 100 tonnes of 757at the Pentagon?- where's the wreckage and where's the evidence from the serial numbers of the time-change parts?
The people tried and convicted, presume you're talikng about the Guantanamo detainees who were tortured - wasn't that a milit court not a public court? So the Gen pub dont get to scrutinise the evid. we just have to take the US govts word for it.
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 Witness stmts - conflicts all over the place.SO not definitive.
DNA -yet again another contentious issue.There is NO proper evid of bodies from Flight 77 being IN the Pent.DNA was gath and proc at Dover AFB, NOT the Pent.
It’s poss to fake rpts on alleged DNA or plant it, would you not agree?
Its not verifyable by any independent source
Barbara Olsen ? Were her remains ident from DNA then?The supp phone call from the plane by her toTed was adm by the FBI to have not occured.
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
witnesses all agree a plane hit the Pentagon -- convergence of evidence - not one person claims to have seen a missle
what independent source would you expect to have access to a US crime scene?
Denierbud11 4 months ago
Building 7? What about the dark grey military jets, that were transparent, and not visible from above (there was a video from helicopter). They were holograms. HOLOGRAMS. They were shapeshifters. Djinn did it. Our leaders are not human beings.
ella5024 6 months ago
Bush is a liar, and Obama is in the loop or a coward......9/11 = Inside job
Born2Flesh 10 months ago
THIS SHOWS US ALL HOW LOW THESE SO-CALLED DEDUNKERS SCUM WILL GO. THEY SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF THE VICTIMS. AND AS FOR THE REST OF US, THEY INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE!!!
IrishStorm1 1 year ago
I loved listening to this. Thank you !!
YouHeardMeBitch 1 year ago
hahahahahahhahah
OWNED.....
FUCKING OWNED!!!!
Any cunt tells you popular Mechanics are the experts send them to this site...
FUCKING LYING CRIMINAL CUNTS..
Glenmead 2 years ago 2
As with all the Government sheeple, the arguments put forward will always be littered with insult and attempts at Ad Hominem. But never any answers!!
Veloce3 2 years ago
sheeple and adhominem in the same statement
nice
Denierbud11 2 years ago
@Veloce3 how does this debunk ANYTHING? it's a sack of shit
mikee047x1 3 weeks ago
@mikee047x1 :lol...Have a nice day!
Veloce3 3 weeks ago
"So the terrorist were known terrorists is that right?"
When did I say that? Is English a second language or did you lose the logical side of your brain?
Read the answer again slowly, or research it for yourself, its not hard -- try google
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Ok CLEVER CUNT!
How were the hijackers identified?!!
Glenmead 2 years ago 2
hahahahahah!!!
Proof for this statemenmt about the DNA?!!
So you are saying they fund bodies in trade centre and matched them from planes that blew up!!!
YOU SIR ARE A FUCKING MORON!!!!
WHAT A FUCKINGJOKE YOU 911 LYING SCUM BASTARD
Glenmead 2 years ago
this is the Pentagon that was being discussed
Are you this stupid in all you do?
Denierbud11 2 years ago
thats right mouthsoap, they say that the whole aircraft "just vaporised" on impact................NUT JOBS!!.....Plain and simple
Veloce3 2 years ago
WHO SAYS THE PLANE VAPORISED
What offical source EVER made this claim?
NONE - its a truther lie and fair tail, its all you have
that and your argument from incredulity
here's a hint, you will never get anywhere in life by saying " I don't believe it, there fore its a lie"
good luck and fuck off
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Is PM not an official source then?
Funny how the Editor in Chief of PM is the Cousin of the Homeland Security Chief at the time. iD CALL THAT AN INDIRECT OFFICIAL LINK!
Veloce3 2 years ago
PM is not an offical link anymore than loose change is an official link
Denierbud11 2 years ago
hahahahah
You are getting exposed daily motherfucker!!!!
Popular Mechanics are made to look like RIDICULOUS CUNTS in this....
You keep believing in the FAIRYTALE of the bogeyman in the cave.....
It is Game over for the 9/11 liars.
Glenmead 2 years ago 2
@Denierbud11 The buildings turned to powder mate!!!!
The plane did so also.....
Also no visible wreckage from the pentagon too, and where is the footage?
DOn't get angry mate..
These are valid questions.
Building 7 makes no sense at all and you know it....
Glenmead 1 year ago
@Glenmead
no the buildings did not turn to poweder
why do you lie?
Denierbud11 1 year ago
Bush is a liar, and Obama is in the loop or a coward......9/11 = Inside job
Born2Flesh 10 months ago
No, the engines did not vaporize, the plane did not vaporize, nothing on 9/11 vaporized
but thanks for showing how pathetic truthers are when logic fails
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Makes me laugh, these loons that support the Governments joke theory that change their arguments to suit what ever the question is that arises. One nut job outfit like PM will say they vapourised and another nut job like Denierbud11 will say they didn't!!
Veloce3 2 years ago
hahahahah
The Pentagon now is it?!!!
He doesnt specify at all which site he is talking about and even if it was the pentagon still doesnt explain the DNA issue BITCH!!!
This video is getting spread everywhere, your darling Popular Mechanics made to look like the CUNTS they are...Bogeyman in a cave believer...!
Do you leave a mince pie out for Santa too?! bless
x
Glenmead 2 years ago
ok follow this slowly
ALL Pentagon employees are in the military DNA data base
they recover dna from the Pentagon
possibilities are 1) Pentagon people, 2) plane crew and passengers, 3) terrorists
did you miss this/
oh good God, you are too stupid
Denierbud11 2 years ago
DNA evidence at the Pentagon was completed by process of elimination.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
and how and what did they match it against?.....Are you saying that they were known terrorists?
Veloce3 2 years ago
Match it with the victims on the planes and the military DNA data base. If you have samples of all others, those that do not match would belong to the terrorists.
not very bright at this are you?
Denierbud11 2 years ago
"and the military dna database", so thay were known then?......So all the DNA was taken successfully from the victims and matched successfully.......................Man you lot just get wackier and wackier!!!
Veloce3 2 years ago
your incredulity is meaningless and is a weak argument
the fact remains, that eliminating what is known and examining the remainder is standard criminal procedure
All Pentagon workers are in the military DNA data base, the family members of all civilian and crew on the plane provided dna, the dna for the human remanis that are not either Pentagon or flight crew, passengers are, by process of elimination and logic, the DNA of the terrorists
simple, logic, tried and true
Denierbud11 2 years ago
hahaha
The military super duper DNA database eh?!!!
hahahaha
YOU ARE FUCKING RIDICULOUS!!!
Glenmead 2 years ago
Are you seriously this stupid?
Three types of bodies were found
1) Pentagon (all Pentagon workers, military or civilian have their DNA on file)
2) crew and passengers (family members provided DNA0
3) others (anyone fitting into the other category, is by process of elimination, a terrorist)
Now, I know logic does not work in your universe, but in the real world, this is how it works
good luck with life, you need help
Denierbud11 2 years ago
@Denierbud11 "by process of elimin and logic, the DNA of the terrorists" In other words the terrorists were NOT positively identified, it was a proc of elimination. Its fatally flawed as there's no evid they got on the planes (where's the cam footge of them at the Boston airport?) and even the plane parts serial numbers have not been independently verified as being from the 9/11 planes as the FOIA requests have been denied.The Govt doesn't show any transparency, thats"logical"
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk What positive identification would you expect? This is a very stupid argument.
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 Why stupid ? FOIA requests have been filed for proof of all four plane ID's via serial stamped parts OR the flight envelopes, BOTH of which are on EVERY commercial flight The FBI refuses to provide such proof. Yet another example of the US Govt and its agencies lack of transparency on the 9/11 story. To elaborate, NTSB investigators would record serial numbers of major components, then contact manuf of said component to detrmine what aircraft it was installed upon
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
the passengers were identified via DNA -- what do you think would be harder to fake, serial numbers or DNA? the black boxes were found for two of the planes
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 All hijackers were identified (?)with DNA. but, to make identification with DNA you need a sample to compare it to. How would the U.S. govt get samples from hjackrs families to make the comparisons? NTSB AA flight 77/UA flight 93 flight data recorder reports,have NO device serial numbers.
Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the NTSB in the past 20 years, the 9/11 'black boxes' are virtually the ONLY ones without listed serial numbers.
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
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and the passengers and crew? again, you claim they faked the DNA but could not fake the serial numbers? wow
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 Lets identify the planes that were used on 911 first, a good place to start in a "proper" investig.After all, conclus ID of the plane being investigtd is a essential,yes?
2 BBs were found there were NO serial nos so no proof that the info prov is from the BBs of these planes. In last 20 years the NTSB have investig 21 crashes in US and all (apart from 1 not equipped with an FDR) have s/nos quoted.
FOIA req denied so theres no proof analyised FDR data is from these planes
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
how do you figure the planes are not identified, they first two were tracked all the way from take off to crash
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 how do we know the FDR info extracted and analyised by the Govt and its agencies is from these actual planes? We don't-.Like many other things in the 9/11 story, we only have the word of the Govt. How can the info we have been given be independently verified?At the BTS site there were no tail nos listed for flight 11 and 77 - listed as "unknown"departure time 0.00.The original BTS site "departure stats" actually had "no record exists" for both flights on 9/11.So no sched flights
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
so every governmental agency is part of the conspiracy? the BTS stuff was debunked years ago -- go to the JREF forum for the real truth
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 Have you got a specific link or post from the forum on the "debunking" of BTS to explain the absence of tail numbers listed for me to check?
Like I said identifying the actual aircraft involved is critical in any investigation- these 2 planes haven't been identified by the serial numbers We can't trust the analyised FDR data that we have been fed until there is proof it is from these planes
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
from the web site for BTS
"NOTE: Late, cancelled and diverted flights are subtracted from total flights to determine on-time percent.
A complete listing of airline and airport abbreviations is available. Times are reported in local time using a 24 hour clock.
On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics."
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@Denierbud11 "On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics."This info you provided is from the current BTS site,the note in quotes was added to the BTS website after Nov 2003. On the original version of the website prior to this AA11 and AA77 are stated to be non-existent.Google Gerard Holmgren or the serendipity website on this topic
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
@HardcoreJungFunk
Yes, BTS clarrified the entry so idiots could understand how things are reported on their web site
Denierbud11 4 months ago
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@Denierbud11 No - what you mean is they they changed their story to cover-up the original "mistake" - GULLIBLE peeps will believe any old crap they are fed from their Govt
And this doesn't explain why the US Govt wont provide PROPER evidence like the serial numbers from the time-change parts of flight 77 to conclusively prove that Flight 77 hit the pentagon. Why not?
757 weighs approx 100 tonnes, where is all the wreckage ? Did it all just "vapoirize" then?
HardcoreJungFunk 4 months ago
hmm, i wonder if the demolitions experts that were called were the same ones who were there on 9/11. oh wait, there were no demolitions teams there on 9/11, only firefighters, and other rescue workers. Can you maybe call the NY firefighters who were THERE and ask them what "pull it" meant...?
Judacoth 2 years ago
Pull it down with cables
Good God, still running with these old debunked arguments
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Umm no.
Zaxxen69 2 years ago
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That popular machanics guy wasn't very intelligent. The reason we know which hijackers hijacked the planes are based on the plane rosters and airport security tapes that confirm these people were there. It has nothing to do with dna. And they did say "Pull it" , but that was in reference to a smaller building close by, not building 7, and they said "pull it", because they actually pulled it down, they didn't blow it up.
crazycrazycaleb 2 years ago
LIAR LIAR LIAR.......
Scum bag
The 911 LIARS are getting exposed daily....
No listing of the alleged named hijackers on the flight roster, and PULL IT was about 7.....
Watch ZERO and watch your world end-Google video bitch
Glenmead 2 years ago
Listen at 0:26 onwards when Davin, says that he was responsible for making sure that everything was accurate in the PM publication.........It's frankly embarrassing. I really am embarrassed for him as he is clearly out of his depth and has no legitimacy. However, I guess when you consider the other buffoons of PM that have been taken to task in debate and proven to be discredited it should not be a surprise. What are these idiots on!!
Veloce3 2 years ago
Lol, classic!
Tyler13R 2 years ago 3
they pulled them all get real.....
aifammafiaaifam 2 years ago
Check out the you tube video called:
YOUR VIDEO-SANITY TEST-WHAT DO YOU SEE
mskydolphin 2 years ago 5
who made money from this event
aifammafiaaifam 2 years ago 3
larry steinberg..."two planes into two towers are two seperate acts of terror"...two times the insurance...
118ishness 2 years ago 4
all one needs to do is watch wtc 7 go down. then watch a recorded demolition. if that doesnt tell you something is wrong from start to finish i dont know what will.
vengencefrom1979 2 years ago 7
lol nice
very interesting, nice info :D
darkelad 2 years ago 4
Seems to be the BlackBox of one of the planes...because all I can see is BLACK.
Springmaus2007 2 years ago
...black boxes are orange...
letsgetcarriedaway 2 years ago 2
It was a pun,genius.
Springmaus2007 2 years ago
Not really.
letsgetcarriedaway 2 years ago
Looks like an intense debate on here!....It always comes across that the "Believers" of the Governments conspiracy theory are extremely lacking in any kind of constructive logic. Why do they find it so difficult to ask questions of their Government and why do they just believe all that they are told?...It is in my view a clear indicator of intensive conditioning.
Revolve75 2 years ago 6
"It always comes across that the "Believers" of the Governments conspiracy theory are extremely lacking in any kind of constructive logic."
Really? 80,000 tons weighs more than 1.300 tons. Is that logical enough for you?
"Why do they find it so difficult to ask questions of their Government"
What does the government have to do with the fact that 80,000 tons weighs more than 1,300 tons?
thedman113 2 years ago
I question my government all the time.
and lol, i think its the truthers who lack "logic. or "brains" or "sanity" and most likely "girlfriends"
ITOMIC85 2 years ago
The ratio of evil-doer belongings surviving relative to all the other passengers is alarming to any thinking person.
A thinking person views all these 9/11 oddities *together* as circumstantial evidence.
Muckup is backward. He formed the opinion first that 9/11 couldn't be an inside job, then he set about making excuses - one by one - for all the hundreds of coincidences.
It's called denial. He calls it being enlightened.
Bezoar5 2 years ago 12
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"The ratio of evil-doer belongings surviving relative to all the other passengers is alarming....."
Based on what? Perhaps you have a list? Something other than "all i've heard about is someone's wedding ring compared to one terrorist passport and his bandana"?
"He formed the opinion first that 9/11 couldn't be an inside job, then he set about making excuses"
As opposed to buying into the Loose Change BS and being a sucker for every bit of 'truther' conjecture posted since?
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
Veloce3: "Your above comment is "SUPPOSITION"......"
I suggest that you consult a dictionary as i'm pretty sure that the presentation/description of two POSSIBILITIES does not come under the definition of a supposition.
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
Muckedupagain- "Two possibilities " that are subject to supposition "assumption: a hypothesis that is taken for granted"......Unless of course YOUR suppositions are based on FACT!!.........I think you need a new dictionary pal....Perhaps you should learn how to comprehend the Queens English, before you attempt to use words that you don't know the meaning of.......Just like you wack job conspiracy theory, you clearly enjoy distorting the facts
Veloce3 2 years ago
""Two possibilities " that are subject to supposition"
Two possibilities, one of which you elected to completely ignore because it doesn't fit your version of events. Your ignorance of alternative explanations is either supposition (the assumption that the sole possibility that YOU presented is fact) or a deliberate attempt to mislead by not presenting the alternative possibilities.
But that's normal for truthers......
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
horjan- I note that you respond to my question(of which you cannot answer) with a question. Do you people (although few and far between) ever get embarrassed about yourselves. Obviously not, you are constantly found out , with nothing of any credibility or independently verifiable and yet you continue to revel in the fact that you make yourselves look like idiots. I guess that's what the official conspiracy relies upon...NUT jobs like you!
Veloce3 2 years ago
"I note your need to label the passport 'magical' in order to sensationlise its survival....."
LOL!
Typical muckup remark there.
The survival of terrorist IDs at multiple "crash" sites is magical alright. To anyone who isn't as brainwashed as Muckup.
Bezoar5 2 years ago 3
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"The survival of terrorist IDs at multiple "crash" sites is magical alright."
As usual, bezoar, you've ignored most of my post and settled on a partial quote. You overlook how many other passenger items survived the impacts intact and focus on only those belonging to the terrorists.
But that's to be expected of the you and your kin.....anything you can do to make it all seem unbeliveable to anyone that doesn't take a moment to figure out how blinkered your comments are.
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
muck- As usual you focus on one small part of the important facts...As you seem to have ALL THE ANSWERS....What is the mathematical probability of the passport owned by the alleged hijacker being found......How many other passports were found from other passengers in excellent condition and what is your source and where can we view this information?
Veloce3 2 years ago
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MuckupAgain 2 years ago
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"What is the mathematical probability of the passport owned by the alleged hijacker being found"
LOL.....let me get this right. You obviously haven't conducted that calculation yourself yet, in the absence of that data, you and your brethren have no problem sensationlising the terrorist passport by describing its survival as 'magical' or whatever adjective you choose to use?
Shouldn't you being doing that research before making such off-the-cuff remarks?
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
LOL! Muckup you're a lost cause.
Bezoar5 2 years ago 3
This video is embarrasing "pull it means pull it down!" Lol, 11 controlled demolition companies say that pull it means pulling a building down with wires and cables, not by blowing ANYTHING up. But I agree, Coburn was owned with the DNA thing
Horjan 2 years ago
Horjan- So did Silverstien say "Pull it "or not???
Veloce3 2 years ago
He said "Pull it" angry man, so what? He also said "I", "blew", "the", building" and "up" If you don't count what went between those words
Horjan 2 years ago
Yep and I said "You" , "are" , "a" , "complete" , and "dickhead".
But don't read anything into that !!!.....Fuck, these loons just seem to get loonier
Veloce3 2 years ago
Muck.Your comment makes more and more sense now as I think about it..If they didn't get the DNA from the personal effects left in Hotels etc, they could have got some from the magical Passports(not needed for domestic flights,that ejected themselves form the HJ's pockets and then from the raging Inferno and then from the pulverised buildings, exploding out of the building along with the massive steel girders that were being exploded OUT) that were found at the obliterated WTC site ...eh?
Veloce3 2 years ago
"they could have got some from the magical Passports"
I note your need to label the passport 'magical' in order to sensationlise its survival.....
"not needed for domestic flights"
Unless you don't have a drivers license or are a foreign national residing in the US.
"that ejected themselves form the HJ's pockets and then from the raging Inferno and then from the pulverised buildings"
Many other passenger personal effects survived but are ignored because they aren't as sensational.
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
Muck-"so did the hijackers burn all their wordly possessions or did they leave their places of residence in the same state any of us would do when leaving for work......with personal effects such as combs, toothbrushes, towels, etc dotted about"
Your above comment is "SUPPOSITION"......See anyone can use that word and pretend to be right !!
Veloce3 2 years ago
You have no idea with your "magical passports" claims. Several pieces of papers, life-wests, and personal artifacts (belonging to flight 11) were found down on the street, even more brittle than the passports. How? 1500 pounds of compressed air in the cabing blew these things out, its called a shockwave. BTW, there were no passportS, just passport. Sadam Al Suqamis passport was the only one retreived.
Horjan 2 years ago
Horjan---Oh really!.......actually if you do some research you'll find that 2 passports allegedly belonging to so called terrorists have been retrieved. It may serve you well to do some research. Anyway, Al suqamis passport found a couple of blocks away was in extremely good condition and survived even though 95% of the plane and its passengers were vaporised.... convenient don't you think!...yep, I think we can call it a "magical passport"...........and your source for the other artifacts IS???
Veloce3 2 years ago
"and your source for the other artifacts IS??? " A picture
Horjan 2 years ago
horjan....."A picture"...........OK, I think we can safely discount horjan!!....It's amazing how, when you ask the loons to help someone like me understand what happened(as they appear to have ALL the answers) they come back with answers that are nothing short of psychological dementia....I guess thats why they are called LOONS
Veloce3 2 years ago
I particularly like the way that the guy that called into Controlled Demolition leads the woman at the other end into the answer he needs. Instead of asking "What term do you use to describe/instruct the demolition of a building?" he decided to ask "if you were in the demolition business and you said the term 'pull it' i was wondering exactly what that would mean?". A very clever tactic; give the person the answer you want and then ask the question.....
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
but he just asked what does the term pull it mean?
and she said, when you pul, the building down. this is to PULL a building down, with wires and cables, like they did the other building that day, WTC5 i think it was.
this is the only time pull it is ever used in CD as far as i have been able to find
w0bbl3r 2 years ago
"but he just asked what does the term pull it mean?"
Exactly....he gave her the answer HE was looking for, but failed to check what the answer meant in detail.
"this is to PULL a building down, with wires and cables"
Precisely. No wires/cables at WTC7....
"this is the only time pull it is ever used in CD as far as i have been able to find"
Some that truthers overlook so often.
Thanks for shedding some extra light on the subject....
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
What a surprise Ben Chertoff (Senior Researcher/Author of Pop Mechanics) is the Cousin of Homeland security Chief, Micheal Chertoff
Veloce3 2 years ago
- The bandana (which in the picture shows no visible damage from the crash) and passports/visas/I.D.s recovered from the crater/wreckage of flight 93.
- Mohammed Atta/Satam al-Sugami passports were found at ground zero in reasonable to good condition.
"Debunkers" accept this as evidence, very sad indeed. The masses don't bother to look into 9/11, there is no excuse for these so-called "debunkers"= MORONS.
Also NIST debunks themselves, admits free-fall concerning WTC7 after 7yrs.
primrod 2 years ago 5
how come there are no debunkers here?
"Well obviously Pull it means pull the firefighters out!"
bahahhahaHAHHAhaha
Bezoar5 2 years ago 2
I've watched the gradual militerization of PopMech it always seems to have a tank or a weapon on the cover these days.
And after this well FORGET IT
TankSombrero 2 years ago 4
Davin Coburn is a coward duh-thunker with absolutely NO proof just like all the other shills out there claiming rhetoric as fact.
breando1 2 years ago 3
katyu16 2 years ago
inside job...no way out!
MrNonStop77 2 years ago 3
2 jets 3 buildings...riiiiiiiight!
lizardfirefighter110 2 years ago
Thanks for the video. How did THEY get the original DNA evidence?
7514328 2 years ago 2
"How did THEY get the original DNA evidence?"
Let's think about that for a minute: the hijackers spent a period of time in the USA, living in hotels/apartments/whatever....so did the hijackers burn all their wordly possessions or did they leave their places of residence in the same state any of us would do when leaving for work......with personal effects such as combs, toothbrushes, towels, etc dotted about?
Or do you think that they completely sterilised everything that they ever touched?
MuckupAgain 2 years ago
Muck---Why didn't Davin give us that explanation??
Veloce3 2 years ago
Have a chew on this.......watch?v=02gWchGvJJo
Veloce3 2 years ago
They could have burned all they're possesions in the USA. They went onto the airplane with luggage. What do you put in your luggage? And even if there was DNA left behind after the fact. How do you go back to they're hotel and determine which DNA is which? It's impossible cause they're under thousands of pounds of rubble and probably burned to an ash.
mavrick790 2 years ago 3
Fucking sick video. Tell that Coburn fucker off.
1Nyro 2 years ago
Davin Coburn is a certified vaginal cleanser. Which radio program is this btw?
OTVIIIClear 2 years ago
You wonder why in the last 6 yrs " I have Never bought another Popular Mac Magazine They Lie alot and Not only about 911
9TruthSeeker11 2 years ago 2
Nothing do go against facts. Pull-it also meanst we aren't going to run the story. And I heard one guy on that Discovery Channel Demo sho say "drop-it". Slang is slang and they made a good guess.
bsabruzzo 2 years ago
Great Video!!! 100 stars!!!!
FreedomFighter2285 2 years ago 4