Another viewpoint

[umbdude]

I love this....the dog is so cute and you're absolutely right.

[yorubablk3]

LOL! Good video!funny!

[lmSource]

I love you.

[hairymangina101]

well since humans are the only sentient beings on the planet capable of logical and rational thought besides the shitloads of other mammals, i can kinda see where those awesome smart Christians are coming from(sarcasm)

[1BustedMyth]

Well said, I completly agree, how incredibly arrogant religion is, Humans are one of many life forms here and I get fed up hearing religious whack jobs saying we are the only ones with souls: pathetic.

[alexross8]

Humans were given the breathe of life so they could become a living soul.

When Noah heard from God , God had commanded Noah to build an ark and to fill all the creatures that have the breathe of life.

Animals have souls.

I don't know why someone would lose faith over a silly misunderstanding.

[ELECTROGOD]

You must be kidding as no person with a basic modern education could possibly believe the nonsense of the Noah's Ark story.

I'd like to see you give us some actual proof of your "soul" claims as well as proof that a "soul" is what you think it is (it's existence)...or even just a working definition of what a "soul" supposedly is.

[lgvereor]

Nonsense of Noah's Ark?

Nice work, but the flood story was PROVEN by science, they found all over the world documents of a giant flood, INCLUDING the Mayan and Aztec empires whom had no contact with Israel.

Tell me, do these little scientific inaccuracies you believe help you sleep at night?

The flood, and most other issues in the Bible have already been proven true, only ONE being debated on whether it is literal, and that is creation.

[ELECTROGOD]

Wow, nice no-hitter, LOL!

The "flood" not only has NOT been proven by science, but rather been DIS-proven by science as it cannot find evidence of said worldwide flood.

And for those other Biblical "issues" that you think have been proven true....which are those exactly? Have you a clue how inaccurate, error-filled and completely retarded the Christian bible actually is?...haven't you read it before?

(And you talk about scientific inaccuracies like you aren't spewing them left and right...LOL!)

[ELECTROGOD]

Note: had to start ignoring more posts by alexross8 as he quickly degenerated into such bizarre fantasy accounts of what happened after the Bible's flood story that those goofy 50's sci-fi movies plots sound almost reasonable.

[Thymonico]

I love you! :D

I've been thinking the same for ages! :D

[fvaaambush]

There is no way for you to possibly disprove it... if we can't trust the bible based on a significant event written in history... what article written in history can you believe? That would you mean you dont believe anything written about our past at all.

[ELECTROGOD]

Disprove what exactly? Which part...the stuff that you haven't/can't prove? One doesn't have to disprove everything that others dream up but in the case of the Bible there is so much that is unverifiable or disproven that as a historical source it's quite lacking and as a "Truth" source it's just pathetic.

I recognize much of history...that which is verified to be actual history and not just stories. The Bible may be a historical document but it's not verifiable history for the most part.

[fvaaambush]

and no basis on reality? you think that back in the stone age if we were to tell htem soon they would travel to the moon they would say its not realistic theres no way that can happen because back when our minds were young we couldnt comprehend it.

[ELECTROGOD]

If your god claim has a basis in reality then you should be able to show us all what/where this basis of the supernatural actually exists in reality.

Considering that we know why we were able to go to the moon it's NOT incomprehensible...but your claims of the supernatural still have never been verifiable except as very flawed ideas.

[djyosty]

I thought your video of the dog very cute, however sad cuz you damned your poor dog to hell. I have always believed that animals will be in Heaven..it's just been a given for me because God IS a loving, caring, and just God. I know many people say "if He is all those things then why does He let all this bad stuff happen in the world." He gave us a free will of choice. We CHOOSE to let these things happen...

[ELECTROGOD]

How do you damn a dog to a hell that doesn't exist?

Apparently you are trying to make your religion into your own personal version which you are comfortable with because nowhere in the history of the Christian religion does it mention animals going to that make-believe heaven.

And to say that we choose to let bad stuff happen is a cop-out for the contradiction and impotence of the religion/god.

[fvaaambush]

Its not uncomprehendable now... but in long babble you missed my point, that in the stone age, when our minds were young, it was hard to imagine such great technology. Our minds, or at least your minds, are still young. Atheists (and even other Religious followers) can't comprehend a greater power because to them there is no physical proof of it. If you can't believe something that was written by one of Jesus's followers back in Jesus's time themselves. What can you believe?

[ELECTROGOD]

When our minds were young? Young compared to what? When your god supposedly zapped us into existence?

Don't you mean when early humans were uneducated and dreamed up bizarre ideas of things that weren't there to try and explain what they didn't yet understand?

I can comprehend your poorly conceived and old myth quite well, thank you.

I suggest you take more of an interest in the findings of Biblical scholars since you seem a bit uneducated in the history of how the Bible came to be.

[fvaaambush]

Oh its very evident you cant comprehend it, thats my very point. Once again your missing my point. It is hard for you to comprehend the thought of a great power. I am comparing this to the Stone Age not being able to comprehend Television, Radio, or even electricity in general. And your proving my point more... you can't comprehend it.

[ELECTROGOD]

I haven't missed any of your points yet...but you try and talk a big game.

So, all of your arguments for your invisible all powerful creator who contradicts itself in your information source and who appears to not exist at all except for a poorly conceived idea which was plagerized from other previous ideas...it all comes down to special knowledge that only you know and can comprehend? That's fucking pathetic.

[fvaaambush]

Well theres no need to cuss, first of all. I wouldnt want you getting too angry at me. Second of all the evidence of Jesus's existance is in the Bible, written at Jesus's time. Are you trying to completely deny factual history written on Jesus?

[ELECTROGOD]

Why not? It's a good way to express something...especially in the face of repeated mischaracterizations and lies. Anger is another thing entirely, but if you really want to avoid making people angry then read more carefully, think more about the things you are implying and stop mischaracterizing others and their positions.

[ELECTROGOD]

I DO deny what you claim about the Bible. It covers a vast time period and what was written about the Jesus character wasn't begun until around 100 years after his supposed death (another unverifiable event) and continues for a few hundred years more after that...but there was zero contemporary accounts of him during his supposed lifetime and the gospels were not at all what you assume they are.

Better get cracking on that learning stuff I mentioned.

[ssgmaj]

Actually most of the writing of the first four gospel began less than 30 years after the death and resurrection of Christ and each was written by eye wittness account. Also Mathew was written to show the Jews that Christ was indeed the messiah by showing prophecy that He had fullfilled. For any other human in the history of, present, or future to accomplish just 5 of the numerous prophecies is well over a million to one. He is real!! He is coming!!!!

[ELECTROGOD]

Actually not. Do some reading:

infidels(dot)org(slash)library­(slash)modern(slash)james_stil­l(slash)gospel(dot)html

[ELECTROGOD]

And some more:

members(dot)aol(dot)com(slash)­ckbloomfld

[ELECTROGOD]

And more:

infidels(dot)org(slash)library­(slash)modern(slash)robert_pri­ce(slash)fiction(dot)html

[ELECTROGOD]

And even more:

infidels(dot)org(slash)library­(slash)modern(slash)james_stil­l(slash)jesus_search(dot)html

[ELECTROGOD]

And yet more:

infidels(dot)org(slash)library­(slash)modern(slash)james_dear­dorff(slash)battles(dot)html

[ELECTROGOD]

And this:

infidels(dot)org(slash)library­(slash)modern(slash)donald_mor­gan(slash)intro(dot)html

There is so much more out there too but it's a start...let's see just how interested in the "Truth" you really are.

[fvaaambush]

Notice all of his 'sources' are from atheist websites/organizations. None of it is fact or government... just more online propaganda. The internet is the only thing the atheists have.

[ELECTROGOD]

And notice that you can check the information in those sources and find that they are verifiable and sound. And yes, we do use governmental sources if their information is verifiable.

Nice try, asshat. Too bad your sources don't care to be held to the standard of my sources.

[fvaaambush]

Once again don't get angry. Alot of atheists on these sites have a lot of anger and seem to use alot of vulgar language when trying to make a point. Maybe this comes from the thought that theyre is no greater power and the world is a sort of hell itself. I dont see any anger in the Christians on these posts.

[ELECTROGOD]

Ah, the ol' "angry" strawman/lie. Looks like you've been buying the crap your lame information sources feed you.

And it also appears that you suffer the Christian affliction of selective reading...I've seen plenty of anger, hatred, condensation, belittling vulgar language and outright lying done by MANY Christians all over YouTube (and beyond). Trying to ignore it doesn't make it go away, fvaaambush.

[corey8084]

I have the bible as my source, and in no way can you say that god, jesus, or the holy spirit is false! yall think yall are comitting the unforgivable sin with the whole denying the lord before man? it isn't to late, how can yall WANT to burn in hell, I pray for you all and I hope yall see the light someday.

[ELECTROGOD]

Sure I can (and already have) said that your Christian gods are false...didn't you bother to notice...aren't you replying BECAUSE of such?

And using the Bible as your source of proof(?) is just laughable for the reasons already mentioned...repeatedly.

Since "Hell" is just a figment of your mythical story's imagination, you don't have to actually worry about us.

I hope you'll get educated and brake free of your brainwashing someday, corey.

[fvaaambush]

you and i both know i cant prove that you have no studied "a number of religions". and i know that you know this very well, which is why i think you feel so comfortable lying about it. and you also make it very clear that in your other posts you have not studied any other religions besides possibly christianity

[ELECTROGOD]

Why would you need to prove that? Why would I lie and why would you assume that I am lying?

I have never said in other posts that I have not studied other religions. You are either greatly mistaken or are just blatenly lying now for your position based on your religion. 

What's the deal, fvaaambush? Getting frustrated by not getting anywhere with ALL these posts where you try to paint atheism as bad and your particular beliefs as the only good?

[fvaaambush]

No trust me you didn't tell me you didnt study religion, it was quite obvious. I can assume that you are lying because you know as well as I do you can lie all you want and theres no way for me to prove you wrong.

[ELECTROGOD]

You mean it was quite obvious because I seemed to know so much about the premise behind religions, their arguments, their flaws, their practices, etc.?

LOL! You are a gas...and a bit annoying as you seem bent on trying to paint anyone who doesn't believe your god claims as bad (and now a liar).

You are young, bullheaded and still in need of more education. Lose the childish indignation at those who don't buy your god story that has no actual basis in reality.

[fvaaambush]

Umm whats wrong electrogod why are you getting so defensive, all I read is that im a "gas" and a bit annoying. Now your calling me a young bullheaded child in need of more education...? I said you make it very obvious you had never studied any religion in your life and im sure anyone would agree.

[ELECTROGOD]

I've been on the defense against your mischaracterizations about myself and other atheists for a while now. I've showed you why the shit you say isn't true but you keep banging your head against the same wall.

Here, since you've clearly not bothered to do any religious research yourself (and though you've ignored my other links) try this one for some easy to digest information on other god beliefs:

adherents(dot)com

[titaniumoxide81]

yopu electrofag that why not

[ELECTROGOD]

Ah, more Christian poison leaking from titaniumoxide81 like an infected wound.

You should see the crazy emails this guy is spamming my inbox with...complete with cussing, double birds (middle fingers), name calling, gay bashing (don't know why) and other manic behaviour.

[rexkenley]

I thought all dogs go to heaven :)

"Sucks to be a human" thinks the dog.

[seeinglight]

And you've said I made a "baseless assertion", you wouldn't even know! Thats not a baseless assertion.

[ELECTROGOD]

Sure it is...unless you can provide proof of your god and all it's trappings.

[seeinglight]

We were/are made for the Maker and not for all that has been made.

[ELECTROGOD]

Well, now that is a very cute baseless assertion...but thats ALL it is.

[seeinglight]

All Life is a gift from God...And, it is precious and this does include "all life" -not just humans! 'The worst critics of the Bible are the ones who least understand it.' In the very beginning of the Bible, it says that God looked on all that He made - all life - and said that it was "good." So, this reason for not believing is now debunked.

[fvaaambush]

Ha this is so true, atheists just dont understand, most of them have never even read the bible.

[ELECTROGOD]

Well, we've been over this before and not only have informed atheists almost always read the entire Bible (multipule times) but they quite often WERE Christians before and have an excellent working knowledge of the religion.

Using the lame old bit that "they just don't understand" is laughable.

[fvaaambush]

I highly doubt you atheists have read the bible "multiple times" and I have the reasoning that no atheist would take the time to read and understand something that they dont believe in... your bias that all atheists have read the bible at all is questionable... where do you base your facts off of?

[ELECTROGOD]

You would be suprised.  I did not say that ALL atheists read the Bible...that was your take on what I said (start reading more carefully please).

Tell you what, if you want to see just how much atheists know about the Bible I invite you to go to "infidels(dot)org and join the discussions in "Biblical Critisism & History".

[fvaaambush]

"Well, we've been over this before and not only have informed atheists almost always read the entire Bible (multipule times)"

you said almost always, and i never said all atheists did, i said i hardly believe that any atheist would take the time to read the bible. you should probably read more closely...

[ELECTROGOD]

Uh...saying "you atheists" without "some" or "many", etc. is generally equal to "all".

And you should read more closely when I told you that many DO. I also mentioned that many if not most were theists before and considering the ongoing discussions of religion, knowing the subject is important.

[ELECTROGOD]

Uh, do you know what Circular Reasoning is, seeinglight?

[fvaaambush]

Yes but atheism is a religion. The definition of religion is ones beliefs based on an afterlife or what the meaning of life is, and atheists believe we get buried in the ground and nothing else happens... so in literal terms, atheism can be classified as religion

[ELECTROGOD]

Where did you get that definition? You contradicted your claim that atheism is a religion with that "definition". Atheism is ONLY the lack of belief in gods, it says nothing about what an atheist thinks happens when we die or what life's meaning is...many theists get this wrong.

Atheism is a religion like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.

[fvaaambush]

That doesn't make sense because it does say what happens when you die you all believe we go in the groun and everyone forgets about you and theres no after-life were basically SOL.

[JohnBach]

Ya know... if you go to dust and don't have a soul, there's no "you" to worry about how SOL you are... I mean, what's the point of worrying about what you'll think after you're dead if you don't believe you'll be alive to think.

[fvaaambush]

No im talking about how SOL we are RIGHT now. If we just end up in the ground whats the point in me aspiring to do anything or trying hard to do anything in my life... if I really did believe I'd end up like that I'd rather do something more fun than sitting in school studying all day.

[ELECTROGOD]

At your age you should be learning to make "the point" to your life. It's up to you and it's whatever you have the aspiration to make of it.

You are going to be around for a long time and studying can lead to a better life, new points and aspirations resulting from that education.

I'm always amazed at the dismal outlook Christians put forth without their belief in their mythical character.

[JohnBach]

If you don't believe in God, then it's natural not to believe in an afterlife unless you substitute the Judaical-Christian God with another type of belief. Atheists generally won't believe in life after death. It's a naturalistic philosophy.

[fvaaambush]

i know i understand that and I dont believe in it. What im saying is if I were to believe in no heaven whats the point in trying to be a good sumaritan while im here on earth if all we do is get buried in the ground... I dont understand why i would try to do anything if I end up dying and thats that. Its things like that, that push kids like columbine to shoot up their school.

[ELECTROGOD]

I would hope that you could come up with a point that would contribute to humankind. If not then that is sad.

Mental illness is something else entirely.

[JohnBach]

If Atheism is a religion (the word literally means "no theism" or no religion)... then name an Atheist holy day. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

[fvaaambush]

Atheists dont have a holy day nor do they have any holy book or organization for gathering... no sacred document... nothing. They lack every basic aspect for a widespread belief. Meaning obviously, atheism is a petty undefined, unorganized belief. An atheist in another thread told me all atheists believe in extra terrestrials... so is this true? Do you believe in other life?

[ELECTROGOD]

No, atheists don't "believe" in extraterrestrials which have no evidence to go with the idea. You were talking with Raelians who claim to be atheist but actually have made the idea of aliens into what others call gods.

[fvaaambush]

Ive asked a couple other two out of three said ALL atheists believe in extra terrestrials, that they were all made in part of the big bang... but I wonder why you also dont believe this...? I think it just goes to show atheists really have no idea on what theyre belief actually is.

[ELECTROGOD]

Again...atheism is NOT a belief, it's a lack of belief(s) in gods...or any other supernatural or made up stuff.

We have not found any any aliens yet so any assertions of them are made up. Now the "possibility" of life elsewhere is another thing.

Just be sure that you know if the supposed atheists you're talking to here are actually Raelians or if they are talking about the possibility of life as opposed to actual aliens.

[fvaaambush]

ok, again, there is no such thing as a lack of belief in something. If you think there is no God or afterlife that is a belief. your lack of belief in something is a belief in itself. so yes, atheism is a BELIEF. and the two that told me this said ALL atheists believe in life on other planets because ALL atheists believe in the big bang theory. thats what he told me, maybe atheists should think about what theyre belief is before criticizing others beliefs.

[ELECTROGOD]

Are you kidding? Sure there is. There is an endless number of things/ideas/concepts/stories/­myths/gods that you don't believe in...many of them which you haven't even heard of before. 

To say that you have a belief that some particular thing doesn't exist which you haven't heard of before is absurd to say the least. Are you understanding the logic here?

The Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism is merely the lack of belief in gods. Cosmology is another subject.

[fvaaambush]

I know the Big bang theory has nothing to do with atheism! Apparently the other atheists dont agree! Your only proving my point more lol! And yes theres alot of things I dont believe in. Such as global warming is an absolutely absurd liberal scam to make money. My belief is that htere is no such thing as global warming.

[ELECTROGOD]

You say that now but you were just implying that it was some sort of tentent of atheism, fvaaambush.

At least be honest about what you are posting, even if you have to revise your position.

So things that have verifiable facts behind them are not believeable but ideas with no facts behind them ARE? Gee, your upbringing is showing.

[fvaaambush]

as a matter of fact there is many ways jesus shows me hes real everyday, if you believed in him too youd realize it. How do you explain facts from both Judaism and Christianity BOTH saying jesus existed?? both sacred documents say so... and i dont think you were living at that time to disprove this... were you?

[ELECTROGOD]

I'm sure you see what you like. That doesn't make it real though, just a figment of your imagination.

Didn't I mention that before...or were you not listening or interested in viewing links?

Here it is again:

youtube(dot)com(slash)watch?v=­tTFlGj83wL8

[fvaaambush]

and i ask you again, how do you explain to very sacred historical documents followed by millions BOTH having accounts of Jesus's living... if you do not believe that hes historical texts are accurate please prove me wrong.

[ELECTROGOD]

I see you didn't bother to read the link that explains how those historical documents are either non-existent or mistakenly (or intentionally) represented as valid confirmation when they are, in fact, not.

As much as we try to honestly present valid information we just can't force Christians to view it.

But, millions? You won't be able to back up that millions wrote about Jesus in historical documents of the time or that millions is anything but hearsay.

[fvaaambush]

Umm no, actually billions, im sorry. And I said i doubt any of you atheists actually read the bible before your actual response... my follow up response wasnt until after your response so technically i wasnt talking about all of you. i stated in my follow up post i doubt many atheists read it multiple times. Why do all atheists evade questions and flip flop so much?

[ELECTROGOD]

Yeah, billions with nothing to show except hearsay. Fallacy Ad Populum is also a poor argument to try (see why).

Actually, if you stay with a discussion board on this topic you will notice that the evading, flip-flopping, etc. seems to mostly be (if not always) on the part of theists. It's uncanny.

[fvaaambush]

Ok one last time... billions upon billions who follow these holy books, of both Judaism and Christianity both say that Jesus existed, the book was written bases on Jesus's teachings.. your trying to tell me they sat there and made everything up to what... make money?

[ELECTROGOD]

That is something that people have shown a great ability to do...make up gods and religions. This is why there are well over 30,000 different gods/religions out there that millions...billions of people have believed in and are certain are true even if they have no more verifiability of their god than all the others.

The reasons range from trying to explain what they didn't know about to having power over others...and yes, to financial gain as well (ever see TV preachers?).

[fvaaambush]

you do realize that all of the major religions are in fact very very similar. All content in all holy books are very similar and all have the same take of a heaven as an afterlife. Jerusalem the holy land, the way we pray. Everything. the only common difference between religions is language and "communion" days.

[ELECTROGOD]

New to world religions are you? Damn you have a lot to learn.

[fvaaambush]

Um what? Is this just a frustration remark or are you being saracastic?  Or is it new to you to be outsmarted in what you believe in.

[ELECTROGOD]

Hardly. You are demonstrating that your knowledge of other religions is very slight. I realize that you would like to THINK that you already know all that there is about other religions but to say that the only difference between religions is language and communion days is nothing less than laughable.

[fvaaambush]

That's what you think but if you actually believed in a religion or took the time to study them you'd find out how true that is, all religions God's claim Jerusalem as a holy land that a great even for their religion took place, this historical significance is alot more than a coincedence

[ELECTROGOD]

Uh, I have studied a number of religions and what you say does not ring true.

Believing in a religion is not required to assess the truth of a religion or the comparison to other religions.

You seem to be missing that many other religions also claim other cities (and other places) as their "Jerusalem".

[fvaaambush]

and im sorry to burst your little point there but all major religions do claim only one spot as their holy land, and there is only one Jerusalem.

[fvaaambush]

So... what is the point in trying to accomplish anything in my life? I guess if we all end up in the ground when we die I can go and shoot up a highschool because all that will happen is that I will end up being skulled by maggots, along with everyone else that might of devoted their lives to saving others. and what about those that gave food to the starving living on the side of the road just so they could see another day... and for what? so they can end up dead in the ground like me?

[ELECTROGOD]

That is for you to determine. What would I know about your life or what you should do with it (specifically).

See, the common mistake theists make is assuming that those who don't believe what they believe go wild and if they themselves lose their beliefs then they will act like maniacs and do everything society frowns on and the subjective wrongs that their belief system frowns on. Reality is not that way though...sorry, we do just fine without your religion's subjective morals.

[fvaaambush]

But giving that kind of power and knowledge to a troubled teen could end up like Columbine... the kids who shot up that school were atheists and thought nothing would happen because in their eyes they define their own morals. Reality IS that way, whether you realize it or not

[ELECTROGOD]

Nonsense, the lie that Christians were targeted by atheists at Columbine has been disingeniously spread by some:

infidels(dot)org(slash)secular­_web(slash)feature(slash)1999(­slash)carrier1(dot)html

infidels(dot)org(slash)secular­_web(slash)feature(slash)1999(­slash)welch1(dot)html

What you are fearing is telling children that there are no rules and nothing else. Of course we don't advocate that. You need to keep educating kids with more info as they develop.

[fvaaambush]

but everything we do teach kids... to dream and work to accomplish them, it all means nothing because you end up dead in the ground anyway... whats hte point in trying to accomplish anything?? and Columbine wasn't atheists targeting Christians. The fact that the two kids who did it were atheist is a FACT, its been proven and their friends were on the news telling them that they had said they were atheist... i never said they were targeting Christians

[ELECTROGOD]

Life only means nothing if you ignore the life you have to live before dying and that others also have lives.

But that is how the propoganda goes...did you read the link? They COULD have been atheists but since they didn't say they were doing it for atheism (that would be ridiculous) and since we DO know why they did it, any reference to atheism are irrelevant (surely you wouldn't be trying to say it's easier for non-believers to kill than believers considering history).

[fvaaambush]

well considering there aren't even that many atheists in the world i would be trying to say that... and they didnt kill for atheism but it was their atheism beliefs that made them go "oh we end up going in the ground anyway" and is what made them confirm nothing would happen anyway... the reason was bullies their helpful motive was their reassurance they wouldn't go anywhere after death anyway...

[ELECTROGOD]

fvaaambush, you are arguing from a biased and uninformed perspective.

"From the top 50 countries, along with those additionally mentioned above countries, the grand total worldwide number of atheists, agnostics, and non-believers in God is somewhere between 504,962,830 and 749,247,571. These minimum/maximum numbers are conservative estimates" (from: evangelicalatheist(dot)com)

adherents(dot)com(slash)largec­om(slash)com_atheist(dot)html

religioustolerance(dot)org(sla­sh)atheist1(dot)htm

[fvaaambush]

im arguing from a biased uniformed perspective?? Your three links are all atheist websites... evangelicalatheist, religious tolerance... kind of hypocritical dont you think? and I got my information from a news report a couple months ago... i cant remember the figure but only 4-5% or so of America are atheists

[ELECTROGOD]

Atheist oriented websites are very careful about the information they display. They aren't interested in displaying information that is not credible. Do your homework and check it out for yourself...we expect people to do this, but we can't make you.

Hypocritical to what, reality?

The source you can't remember is wrong.

[fvaaambush]

How can I be sure these atheists websites are so true? Atheists can easily manipulate information on their site too benefit them so why should I believe them? You dont have any proof. I think I'd rather stick with the News report and survey by the government

[ELECTROGOD]

By doing your homework...yourself. Don't rely on just what one person/site says. Compare what they say to the facts, to logic, to reason and to critical thinking skills which you should be developing.

Don't you mean that ANYONE can manipulate information?...including religious people who, still after the entire history of our world, have yet to show any evidence of any gods/the supernatural.

[fvaaambush]

There is plent of evidence of God... read the bible and the million of stories passed down from that time, even the Jews have stories of the prosecution of Jesus. You think a couple of Jews/Christians got together and thought this up? Haha, think again... and I do believe that anyone can manipulate information very easily, but the a News report on a survey by the government? I dont think so. And I did look at the website.

[ELECTROGOD]

Sorry but that doesn't count as evidence...unless you would consider that same criteria also proves all other gods (tens of thousands) to be real as well...or Harry Potter and any other clearly fictional characters.

Well, keep thinking about that as you grow up and keep watching the news and studying government...lots of interesting examples.

[fvaaambush]

The tens of thousands of other Gods are all things that other religions believe in... I only believe in one God.

[ELECTROGOD]

The way you think your god is real is exactly the same way those believers in all those other gods think their gods are real. Their's have the same amount of verifiability and validity as your's does.

Basically, you are an atheist only you believe in one more god than we do. In other words, you disbelieve all other gods...but one...the one you were raised around.

[fvaaambush]

Actually when I was growing up I never went to church and I didn't believe in God, yet know what God was because I was way too young... and yes i dont believe in any other Gods beside my own, and if that makes me an atheist so be it, i guess that would be the same thing as me saying atheism is also a religion itself... which it is

[ELECTROGOD]

Well, atheism (or the lack of belief in gods) is NOT a religion and you would be unable to show that it is, but the example I used wasn't actually saying you WERE an atheist but that you take a similar tone towards other god beliefs as we do yours...for obvious reasons.

Doesn't matter if your family was or not, the society around you favored Christianity...so you took it up too.

[fvaaambush]

Well actually I am now at age where I can think for myself... I am and individual and as for taking up Christianity based on those around me there is no way for me to prove to you that I dont just take up after those around me, although it is true that I am Christian and I was raised among Christians... but like I said I can think for myself although you may think that is somehow impossible for a Christian I as much logic and common sense as you do.

[ELECTROGOD]

And if you were born on the other side of the world where another god belief was dominate then you would most likely be brought up to follow that belief as you have done with the belief that is dominate around you. There is no more proof of your god than theirs so it's not a matter of you being swayed by the evidence.

[fvaaambush]

I probably would of until I got to this age where I can think for myself and choose my own religion, and looking at the evidence and the points atheists and Christians made on these videos, I decided to stay with Christianity and for a good reason too

[ELECTROGOD]

Really? Because if you lived in another country, say on the other side of the world, you probably would have adopted the prominant faith of the region...like you did here.

What points were those? I don't see anything but empty assertions by Christians. And I see atheists making man logical arguments and presenting verifiable facts.

[fvaaambush]

thats funny because I know someone that was raised an atheist and turned Christian... and if atheists are so right and think so logically, why are theyre so few of them?

[ELECTROGOD]

Sure that can happen, as an atheist only refers to a person who lacks belief in gods...all babies are born atheist. It doesn't happen very often that an informed atheist converts to a religious belief though.

As for the number...didn't we go over that before? Throughout history, until recently, it's often been a punishable crime to be an atheist.

[fvaaambush]

yea but if someone is so positive that they are right and their is no god, wouldn't they be atheist regardless of the law? Even if they dont admit to being atheist, the atheist belief would still flourish.

[ELECTROGOD]

Yes, quietly...usually. Things like this challenge are meant to end that quietness and bring the discussion even further into the public arena.

Some places like in the middle east still consider it to be an offense punishable by prison and even death...which is why you don't hear about too many atheists over there.

Remember though, atheism is not a belief.

[fvaaambush]

if God isnt real and theres no heaven or hell where do i go when i die?

[ELECTROGOD]

You don't go anywhere because will be dead. You seem to have some confusion about what being dead means.

[fvaaambush]

but if i dont go anywhere what is the point of living?

[ELECTROGOD]

That's up to you. Plenty of people who don't believe in make-believe supernatural beings find plenty of reasons to live and make great lives. Saying that the only point to living is the hope of a supernatural life after you die is kind of sad.

[fvaaambush]

so your saying that I can define my own moral codes and ethics however way I want? That I can go and do whatever I want because we all end up dead anyway, everything i accomplish in my life, all my dreams, everything i work for is eventually lost when I die...

[ELECTROGOD]

No, you have to conform it in some degree to the social group around you. That is how society works, the ideas and rules that help us function in relative harmony are what people call "morals" or better, ethics.

Beyond those you have to make your own decisions in other choices in life and many laws, rules and morals are subjective to different groups of people and may or may not make much sense or be relevant to others.

[fvaaambush]

see hes just a normal dog! everyone stop watching the video!

[ELECTROGOD]

You are suprised by this? LOL!

Actually it would be beneficial to everyone to watch the video as it brings up some valid points (apparently lost on you).

[fvaaambush]

wait a minute.. YOUR DOG CANT BE DRIVING HES IN THE PASSENGER SEAT! AHA I CAUGHT YOU YOU LITTLE SNAKE IN THE GRASS!

[ELECTROGOD]

LOL! Yeah you got me, the dog can't really talk or drive.

[fvaaambush]

your making me a confused person

[fvaaambush]

no im confused about why your talking about a dog being able to turn a key in a car dumbass

[ELECTROGOD]

Yes, I understand you are confused. Your posts make it very clear that you are a confused person.

[fvaaambush]

no it steers... and why the hell are you talking about driving a car... atheists are so confusing. and the dog wasnt talking you were that looks like a normal dog to me

[ELECTROGOD]

You are confused by it? I guess that sort of makes a point about believing nonsensical claims.

[fvaaambush]

there is a dog that can drive hes in the world record books, nice point dumbass.

[ELECTROGOD]

Maybe I should have added the qualifier of talking as well, eh?

So, this dog in the record books can really do all the aspects of driving that humans do? Can it turn the key to start the car, turn the turn signal on and off at the appropriate times, etc...reach the gas/brake pedal?...or is it a matter of sitting a dog behind the wheel for a little bit while a person sits next to them ready to grab the wheel?

Who's point is nice now, dumbass?

[xXGecanXx]

lovely, funny, and too the point, high rating.

and a little side comment for controversy because i love it oh so much.

christianity despite its basis around peace, is quite barbaric and has one of th ebloodiest pasts.

example: rome used to be a pagan society, not the christian/catholic one it is portrayed as today. when it fell to christianity, it was a simple procedure: convert or die. the christians went on a genocide of pagans, and destroyed many monuments to the gods.

[jin4da1abv]

well, man was made in God's image... and God gave authority over animals. I really hope you didn't mean what you said. You have just gambled a lot for no gain.

Genesis 1:26 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

[ELECTROGOD]

You ARE kidding, right? Your words are repeated nonsense from an old book of myths that contradicts itself repeatedly.

How about some REAL evidence of your baseless assertions that we look like something that doesn't even exist in the natural (real) world...i.e. the supernatural. You haven't seen it, nobody has because it doesn't exist.

[GodsArmor777]

your native american right?So amI your a disgrace if you aren't spiritual as it is the way of our people and you know that dont you.

Mitakuye Oyasin wakan tanka

Return to the Inipi and Pray to our Creator

[ELECTROGOD]

Mmmmm, you do like assuming things I see.

It's funny that you talk about disgrace when you've obviously traded in your cultural spiritual beliefs for that trendy Jesus thing that the white man brought down on Native Americans. It ain't the same thing by a long shot.

Just to be clear, I don't go for that belief in the supernatural that Native American tradition holds either.

[JohnHasSeriousQ]

It's a satire, where you have to admit it is kind of funny. Of course the dog never had a human type belief of a god. It points out how humans can conceive the existence of god. From the point of view god probably does not exist it is easy to see how silly it is to believe IN ancient texts and scripts.

[EternityNeverEnds]

Animals have not sinned against God; hence no need for them to be saved.

[ELECTROGOD]

Wonderful. You've shown that you don't understand the commentary.

Since animals don't recognize that "god" (whichever) is "god" and also don't do it bidding as human lifeforms are instructed by your Bible to do then they are, by definition of your belief system, sinning.

[x09audioslave90x]

I see you comment a lot electro. That probably means your on the internet a lot looking for more ways to prove Christianity wrong but have you ever looked at what might prove your own beliefs wrong? There are intelligent scientists out there you know with almost as more knowledge than where your getting your info from, but they believe in the opposite things of what you believe in.

[ELECTROGOD]

I don't have to look for ways to prove it wrong, you guys do just fine with what you say and your lame "information" sources.

If you haven't heard by now, atheism promotes no beliefs. You theists are the ones doing that.

My sources on Evolution are maintained by scientists. I.D. or creationist proponents are not actually doing science but rather trying to justify their religious assertions.

[x09audioslave90x]

What, that's all i get for a response. That actual information out there that can clearly disprove some of the things you believe in is lame? You are a smart person electro but things need explanations and with evolution and science, they give me meaningless theories of my life. Evolution to me is crap just as is my God to you. But think to yourself, wouldn't my God be more important to me than if were to think evolution as my god.

[ELECTROGOD]

What were you looking for...exactly? It was a concise and complete response.

Evolution is NOT crap, it's fact. That you don't care to recognize that because you think it conflicts with your god-belief is your problem.

[x09audioslave90x]

Whoa, i swear i said your smart. I must've been wrong. Evolution is not a fact nor will it probably ever be. You guys are always telling me about fairy tales and how the bible is full of that, evolution isn't that much different.

[ELECTROGOD]

Why is it not a fact...exactly?

[x09audioslave90x]

OK, tell me how evolution is proven to be a fact instead of a theory. I'm dying to know.

[ELECTROGOD]

Well, right off you just demonstrated that you don't know what a theory is. 

I'd say that what you need is a good education rather than a few lines of what I can respond with.

If you don't can't or won't get some more detailed education then I would suggest visiting this website:

talkorigins(dot)org

This site is quite detailed with an amazing database of real information. You can even ask questions there (but search the previous questions as yours will not be unique).

[x09audioslave90x]

Your website is pretty much just giving info. through the nonCreationists point of view. Everything is goin to sounds true because of it and plus i lost interest in it when someone said something bout the world being 30 billion years old as a fact.

[ELECTROGOD]

That would be the "factual point of view" complete with evidence and all that stuff creationists don't have behind their attempt to justify their god beliefs.

No one there would have said our planet is that old. 4 Billion is the consensus among real scientists. Maybe you were reading the emails from creationists?  The site does a great job of addressing the misinformation that is out there.

Too bad you lost intrest, but from your past participation it's about what I expected.

[tasteypies]

WOOF WOOF BARK BARK 666

[1badmutha666]

silence, fools - this is clever

[brennwyn]

Animals don't have souls, so technically they can't go to heaven...

[ELECTROGOD]

We don't have souls either...and heaven doesn't really exist...technically.

[fsdinc]

>>>We don't have souls either<<<

You might not since you claim to evolved from a monkey but ever other human does.

[ELECTROGOD]

I nor evolution claims that. Why don't you get educated about stuff you try to talk about so you don't look so foolish?

[fatatheist]

i give it 2 paws up

[xforsakensoulx]

I love this video.. It's so true =) I hate how all the holy books completely leave out our four legged friends, or if they're mentioned, it's only to say we have 'dominion' over them and what not.

[roninarts]

brilliant p.o.v. =dogs rule!

[h82cu]

God is dog spelled backwards. Dogs are too stupid to believe in God and no dog has ever killed for religious reasons. Humans are the only creatures intelligent enough to kill each other in the name of God. Jihads for everyone!

[fatatheist]

actually i think that dogs are too smart to believe in God... :-)

[CorrosiveTruths]

I feel this is a very ruff critique which leaves religion in the doghouse.

[chmureck]

Bible doesn't say anything about dog drivers.

Therefore - it's impossible.