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  • DESTRUCTION OF MIDDLE CLASS BEGAN WITH RONALD REAGAN !!!

  • Maybe the volume is down because the low paid workers KICK and THROW your packages around. And if you place a FRAGILE sticker on your box, it means to throw OVERHAND instead of UNDERHAND.

  • I will not use UPS until they get their shit together.

  • LMFAO at big SAL! gotta love him man hahahaha

  • why not give the work to the post office why stop a good thing

  • @3:58 Here comes the douchebag who's SLIGHTLY up the chain of command, or else who's at the same rung of the ladder, and crosses his arms like his small dick ass is "gonna kick some ass." LOL what a joke of a human being. That's the kind of guy who was born a joke, lived as a joke, and will die a joke.

  • Corporations are so full of shit. Did you see that nervous red-faced goon who had to talk to the lawyer? They KNOW they're wrong, they know they're crooks. What needs to happen is a progessive takeover of Congress, every single seat. One of their first goals if they are truly progressive would be to launch a massive investigation into corporations and remove the criminals, and also to raise minimum wage to where it should be and pass laws that workers get the hours they need and deserve.

  • Corporation's goal is PROFIT, NOT CREATE JOBS!!! I have never heard of a corporate mission statement that has anything to do with job creation. Wake up people.

  • norman black can eat a dick!! corporate prick

  • I got a job offered by ups here in amsterdam, I was hired but I never showed up. ( It was a mess in there)

  • Brilliant :)

  • Volume being down IN A SHIPPING COMPANY. THAT'S FUCKING STUPID.

  • nice job... now everyone gets too see how these weasels operate

  • Bada bing Badaboom!

  • @07cummins50 The problem isn't makes profit, that's good. The problem is worker explotation.

  • UPS = Broken promises and money hungry bitches tryna squeeze nickles n dimes outta every hard working person's paycheck

  • lool the volume being there choke lol

  • that's so awesome they took his threats seriously and go Joe his job back

  • lots of other factors go into profits other than volume. Such as sales of their trucks and costs falling faster than revenues.

  • I love it.

  • isn't his voice from mafia 2 joe ?

  • I smoak weed everyday while UPS delivers my package

  • @cunt3d  that's why you can't spell smoke lol jk

  • Dude at 5:31 is obnoxious.

  • haha this man did nothing, no jobs back and didnt even come at them prepared, a typical micheal moore dipshit acquaintance

  • @geoff1424 didnt he get the guy his job back?

  • @geoff1424

    Maybe they should have got you instead ...

  • Nice. Two TOP Corporate PR persons losing their cool and getting emotional in an obvious situation of being baited.

  • United Parcel Service?

    United Pot Smokers

    sounds a little more accurate

  • OH cause US mail is just great.

  • What do you know, everyone at the corporate office is a douche bag x10. lol

  • This guy goes gets this guy, like a bunch of little monkeys." hahah so true, 10 idiots standing around doing the job that 1 person could do.

  • Haha 16 people like being in this shitty ass company. God UPS Blows, just glad I have a job. BUT FUCK UPS!!!!!

  • Dude Fuck UPS, They are a Monopoly, so is FedEx, These guys KNOW YOU HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO,USPS Was Once A Part of the Government Now they Claim they have zero to do with USA, They need to go under, They Are Cheating People and Workers, They could care less if your package is lost, or damaged. MONOPOLY Take Them To Congress

  • ahhhhh....the joys of corprate officers.....scumbags

  • 1:35 "If i'm lookin for ya...I'm guna find ya"

  • Italian mob boss

  • He should have beaten them up and held them at gunpoint until they gave workers jobs, like a real gangster...this little fatass is a joke, he only wishes he was cool

  • Fantastic video!!!!

  • Was it really necessary for the UPS employees to stand in the hallway while Sal was talking? They must have been really scared of him.

  • It doesn't take a genius to figure out that in a Capitalistic society, companies have to compete successfully by offering the public goods manufactured through the cheapest cost in order to show a bigger profit. If they could, they would pay you a penny an hour or better yet, have slave labor under the guise of "internship".

  • ..and 2112, I was a hard core Rush Fan,  so you should know that I know what I'm talking about. =0 )

  • @photrick

    Firstly, I've worked since I was 14, and in fact even cleaned grease pits for min. wage. (it was 2.65/ hr.) Now, I'm 45 middle class 6 figure worker who still works. The sweat shops exist still so, no, Unions have not saved us from those "Evil Corporations" you loony liberals so hate. Power Corrupts, agree? Hope so, it's only obvious, Unions have become corrupt, like the ever expansive government. You mention Bush. So? I don't like Unions so you think I like Bush? Loony Lib.

  • @copterguy 6 figures huh? which secret society did you join?

  • LONG LIVE THE UNIONS!!!!!!!!! WHOO HOO! I don't know about you fuys but without unions we wouldnt have our basic human rights!

  • This was a great show, that's why it didn't last.

  • Sal is such a G

  • Wrong issue, the bone I have to pick with UPS is their 2 tier contract that says new hires are permanently paid less than older tenure employees. What that means is no matter how long you stay with the company you will be making less than the person standing next to you doing the identical job. The Teamsters Union are a bunch of back stabbers for signing off on a contract that pits one half of the work force against the other.

  • Find another job you whining pussy leftist Union fucks! Michael Moor, fat fuck, worthless..I can make a better propaganda video with windows media player. Fat ass pussy. Unions Fucked GM, then the leftist in power fucked the Tax payer, bailing them out with TARP funds 57 BILLION. Because Unions together with idiot "business" practices demanded by Unions, GM should have gone BANKRUPT, but we the tax payer...at least those of us that actually Pay taxes, are paying for it. Fuck all Leftists.

  • @copterguy

    You really don't have any idea about what you're talking about, do you?

  • @copterguy Go get a job at a grease pit somewhere and then when you are tired of minimum wage for a few months tell us how you feel. GM bankrupted GM. Unions are the reason why people aren't working in sweat shops. So while CEO's are making millions a year think of the hard workers who make barely 8 dollars an hour.

    Before you go screaming about bail outs remember Bush was the first to write off a bail out of 700 Billion. I am pretty sure he isn't a "leftist"

  • if you dont like the job world start a business, thats why we have a free enterprise system.

  • Where is the Michael Moore channel? Can I get an Amen?

  • fuck ups,pre-loaders just put miss loads on your trucks, work really slow, refuse help and they cant do anything, just say i did my best and thats all they can ask of you

  • Hehe, this guy is a walking stereotype of a mafia boss, it's funny.

  • @103moneyg.

    First of your a fucking retard, second don't put words in my mouth.

    Eat the rich is a very plain way of saying when we starve from the fat cats destroying society, destroy them back.

    The rich didn't create anything didn't give us shit, we give them its called a profit on our wages.

    Go read up on history you a-historic twit.

    America is not what you say it is, it is whatever people say it is.

    Go hunt some commies you paranoid a-hole.

  • @demammoet you're just a jealous loser. You wouldn't have anything at all if it weren't for rich people who built businesses and hired you. And all the rest of us.

    You can get all huffy about 'giving' the business owners the profits from your work if you want to, but the fact is, they provided a job for you and you took it. If you had any brains you would realize that you could have become rich many times over in this country. I guess it's easier playing the 'victim'.

  • @demammoet When the evil, hated rich (and others who don't quite make 'super rich) build businesses and make money, we all do better. Businesses doing well do not 'destroy society'. Socialist government takeovers DO destroy society.

    If you knew anything at all about history, you would know that. Example: Detroit was a sleepy farming town before Henry Ford. He made it "Mo-town" it took the unions and the politicians 70 years to kill it, But they did. So who destroyed society there, retard?

  • And now, with the help of the Teamsters gangsters, UPS is getting it's ass kicked by Fed Ex. Guess what? The union is going after Fed Ex now, as well!

    I'l like to see this 'bill collector' guy (who looks appropriately like a mob enforcer) try to run a business instead of tearing them down.

  • Inspirational!

  • When Norman loses his job at UPS due to 'cutbacks' then we'll see how committed he is to the company...corporations are never ending heartless blood sucking machines...capitalism can go to hell...

  • Fuck this socialist cocksucker pigfucking anal raping dick fuck.

  • whats funny about all these jerkoffs and their job titles is one person could do what 5 of these douche bags do.

  • it reminds me how this country was founded in the first place. It was founded on theft and slave labor. It has never changed since. Its all about MONEY.

  • @mikeygeneral So why don't you leave, mikey? If I felt that way about my country, I would be man enough to leave. So LEAVE! Go to Cuba or North Korea, they already have your 'socialist workers paradise' you want so bad! You don't have to ruin America.

    You hate this nation, but you want a hand out which you didn't earn from it's companies and it's Government. You are scum.

  • @103moneyg I love when a white person tells me to go back home. As if you come from here. Or should i remind you how you came to own this country in the first place? Your fathers had to Cheat, Steal, Slave and Murder to own this which is not your's. You have some nerve since you came outta that cave to actually tell someone to go back home. Why don't you go the fuck back home? Fuck outta here with that bullshit. Whites have a PITIFUL and SHAMEFUL history here to this very day motherfucker.

  • @mikeygeneral body likes the truth

  • @mikeygeneral Yeah, I am White. And I do come from the US. The best country in history. I was born here, and I am a native American to my bone marrow. I didnt' tell you to go back home, retard. I told you to LEAVE. There's a difference. I know you've never been to North Korea, (and prob. can't find it on a map) but I think you belong there. Oh, and White people have more to be proud of than any other people on the planet.

  • @mikeygeneral I guess you think you are superior to me b/c you are indian or something. WRONG. Indians had slaves and were doing cannibalism when we discovered them. You all did cruel warfare and genocide against each other all the time. And dont' forget, the European settlers bought all that land fair and square, despite all the lies in some leftist 'history' books.

    So don't get your little panties (loincloth?) in a wad, chief. I belong here, this is my country just as much as it is yours.

  • @103moneyg

    Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... We all know the famous " White Line " - Blacks had slaves and Indians had slaves.... Blah Blah... But you came here and killed millions. I know all about the " White Pass Off " To make everyone think you did nothing wrong. You didn't " BUY " anything, You stole, Cheated, Raped, Murdered and Slaved to own this, So cut it out. No one believes you, The only proof of anything is the ground you stand on which contains bones of Africans and Indians.

  • @mikeygeneral NO, idiot, Blacks in Africa STILL HAVE slaves TODAY! Indians WOULD STILL HAVE slaves if not for us. The Aztecs would capture whole other tribes and kill them for meat and eat them. The land was purchased, fair and square.

    I know you are a retard who can only parrot the same old tired lines, but try to understand this: The ground everywhere, all over the world, contains the bones of everybody. Because we all die.

  • @mikeygeneral What a loser. Your whole sense of self-worth comes from this feeling that other people in this country 'owe' you something. Nobody owes you anything doucheclown. You were born in the greatest nation in history, you have every advantage in the world because of it, and this is the way you act.

  • @103moneyg

    i wasn't born here. You don't owe me anything i owe you a spit in the face if anything. " The Greatest country in the world " - LMAO. You don't even know how to take care of your sick, manage your own money, not be racists etc etc. America is a clown ass country which is no different from an African slum. It just has more money. And we all know how you came to have yopur money - Your father's Cheated, Murdered and Slaved so he could get it. How great is your country?

  • @mikeygeneral Like I said, idiot, if America is a 'clown ass country', and you weren't born here, WHY ARE YOU HERE????? If I hated my country that bad, I would leave. But that makes me a man and you are just a crybaby coward. The world's got over a hundred other countries, douche, go find one you like and MOVE THERE!

    Want to talk about clown-ass? Your stupid music. It sounds like some lame ass elevator music, just the same simple beat mindlessly repeating.

  • @103moneyg I like my music too. Thanx for visiting my page. LOL. I'm here to motivate you and help you to stop being the racist animal that you are. You lack of mellanin skin cancer science project cave freak.

  • @mikeygeneral , don't accuse anybody of racism when you yourself admit to not able to stand Jews. Of course, since you are not white, your racism is justified. Hypocrite.

  • @PungiFungi

    Of course my racism is justified. YOU WHITE PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF DIRTY BASTARDS. And your shameful and pathetic history in this country is proof of who you are. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see who you are. There is a reason why your hated among ALL non white people. Your'e a vile parasite river rat virus that eats up the world with your greed, Have no respect for human life and cause destruction everywhere you go. YOU ARE THE DEVIL.

  • @mikeygeneral , then what are you doing in this country? I am not white and I don't hate white people. I give them credit for creating a country where it is possible for people of any race, gender and even sexual orientation to be accepted. Much more than I can say for some of the people and culture that you belong to and support.

  • @mikeygeneral , stop dwelling in the past. You yourself was never a slave. THE US abolished slavery, gave women the right to vote, all within a scant 200 years. Shameful indeed.

  • @mikeygeneral You're a fucking idiot.

  • @iamthebearsnuggler

    Yeah and you have no rebuttle - You stanking ass white people hate to be reminded of your dirty deeds in this country. I'm the only man in town who you call an idiot but hits you with facts. I didn't write your history - You did.

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  • @iKushTV

    I don't have any problems. Last problem i had was a gas bill that was like $40.00 in my favor. LOL U must be kidding me?

  • sal is the fucking man, exactly who u need to shake the cage lmao

  • FUCK AMERICAN !!! EVEN THOUGH I LIVE HERE!!!!!! LOOL

  • Sal is the freakin man!

  • HEY Mike this a old fan from back in the day, who even owned "PET or MEAT' now that's a true Fan. Just HOPE you take care of your self we need CHANGE and few will be able to point to the truth like you have.

    B.HO. 4 the New World ODOR

    Ve chall NOT be having Dis on ZEE JOU TUBE!!! NOT ZEE JOU TUBE!!!

  • His 3:23 complete lier, arms crossed his so defensive and worried. Lol owned.

  • all of you people commenting are fucking idiots. Profit and volume are not equal. If they have 3 packages that weigh 100 lbs each that is going to cost more than 10 packages that weigh 2lbs each. UPS will make more $ on the 3 packages than the 10 that weigh less. They will hire the workers back with higher volume because there are more packages to sort therefore more work to be done.

  • Eat the rich

  • @demammoet Typical leftist loser. You want to kill the rich even though the companies and jobs they created gave you everything you have.

  • if they are making "huge record profits" the "volume" is irrevelevant......and that "breaking bad, Mr White wanna be".....was so annoying

  • can someone clarify? it sounded like the volume and profits were two completely different things- one being the volume (the number of packages being delivered) the other being the profit (amount of money they make) and the head of PR stated that if the volume (# of packages delivered) was up, the jobs would be there. to me it sounds like they are weaseling out of the deal one the language of one word "volume" not profits, assholes

  • spineless corporate douche

  • Wow! UPS excecs are such ASSHOLES!!! Now you see why this country is so divided.

  • @markjwil Let me walk into your office and give you a surprise interview on film trying to trip you up and make you look bad, (even though you are living up to your legal obligations) and see how sweet and obliging you act. You have to think what it felt like to be ambushed by someone who hates you and is trying to make you look bad.

  • GOOD JOB SAL!

  • The reason why Americans get screwed is that they play honest but those that control them are gangsters.

  • lol thats funny !

  • I was working for 7.50 an hour for a millionaire in a program for foreign students and whenever the sales were't going well, he would send us home a few hours early. what a douchebag.

  • @nittzzu So, when you aren't at home, do you leave all the lights on to pay the electric company more money even though you don't need the power? When you don't have to drive far, do you take 10 trips around the block so that the gas company can get as much money from you as they are used to?

    Think about it! He shouldn't have to pay someone who isn't needed right then.

  • @103moneyg maybe a have a fishtank at home or a marijuana plant, they both need light...I was talking about being a cheap ass but I guess you americans don't make charity donations, not even if you have more than enough, you selfish bastards...

  • To the Sal the union rep in this video: Please come to Albuquerque, NM! We need you!!!! Our union is in bed with the company!

  • theres enough europian marbel here to choke a horse haha

  • volume.... funny math.... yeah maybe if you have the education of a third grader. Volume is extremely important, especially in transportation (that's UPS's industry for those of you that fall into the category above)

  • @stx5m yes the volume is important but the worth of the volume is much more important than the volume itself. for exemple: you can have a small volume worth let's say...2 mil$ and a larger volume of products or services that are worth 1 mil$. that is the loop hole they found. Nobody contested the singular volume importance.

  • i would take a ups driver job for 25,000 a year and so would millions of other americans.

  • "oh that prick? get rid of him"

  • Uninformed Procks like u bring us to one question...

    Do people like u have the right to live? NO....

  • @Sebolofixmix

    i was quoting what Sal said....

  • hahah such a cool guy

  • I am not American but seriously fuck capitalism why the fuck should the rich ger richer and the poor or not so well off remain the same? Most of the fuckers in these organisations are super corrupt and don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves and their own profits!

  • Why should lazy people get hand-outs from the government?

  • They shouldn't. But I work hard for my money, and I will still likely never be rich. It's a fact that there is rarely ever any movement between two different classes. The rich stay rich, the poor stay poor. Occasionally someone will break the mold and move from the lower class to the upper class, or vice versa, but this is rare. But I do agree with you. Lazy people should not receive hand-outs. It's counterproductive, since those people aren't contributing to society in return for their money.

  • Yes. i agree with what your saying somewhat. i think some socialism in moderation can be good. but it can get out of hand at a point.

  • @Nibiru51 Obviously, you don't give a fuck about anyone but yourself. Why shouldn't the other workers kill you off? After all, you are just more competition for those good union jobs that are so hard to come by.

  • I made over $2,000 this week at UPS. Treating this bitch like the auto-workers treated GM at Christmas time. :)

  • He should have bitch slapped that four-eyed little prick!

  • LOL! like hell she should have!! They get their "corporate" speak to disguise their slimyness c'mon PEOPLE KNOW !!! We see through the bull!

  • all Michael Moores haters are considers Mormons! they will get shot!

  • these guys better start wearing bullet proof vest just to get to their cars and its not just them,bank employees,utility employees,ect,ect,its gonna be nobody will work for these people,i think the method of choice is gonna be snipers and alot of them.

  • um...it can have a sexual connotation. i guess it started out as "you can go suck a dick!" then it changed to mean something like "he is the type of person to suck a dick" and it has sortof broadened out to just sucks. it means lame or dumb or crappy or anything bad really....

  • they rather hired a guy w/one arm then a sweaty hands dude

  • We are in a huge trouble!

  • All of you people bashing unions must love working six days a week and twelve hour days with no holidays and no benefits. When unions weren't necessary it was because of things earlier unions had won for us all. Well, guess what they're needed again. You've been brainwashed.

  • The UPS is a quasi-governmental agency. Numerous restrictions and bureaucratic measures have made it impossible for the UPS to make a profit. Like always, the root of the problem is big brother.

  • You are correct regarding the governments regulations but you are incorrect to imply UPS is not profitable. Both UPS and FedEx is profitable with annual Net Gains in Income. By being Net positive, they ensure that their workers will continue to benefit by having a job. On the other hand, the U.S. Postal Service is Income Negative and have been closing many post offices. Their workers have uncertainty to look forward to.

  • How can somebody be so far from the truth. UPS makes massive profits and have for years. The only quarter where they didn't make a significant profit was the quarter they made a bulk payment into the Pension fund.

    UPS is crushing Fedex in profits and revenue, and we're far from a quasi government agency.

  • Appreciate it. I confused UPS with USPS. Earlier this year John Potter, the Postmaster General said that the USPS is "facing losses of historic proportion." And if you want a case study into why and how government handicaps business, I suggest you take a look at the USPS. Also, when New Zealand privatized their system in 1987 the change "led to improvements in efficiency, a 40 percent reduction of the system's workforce, a doubling of labor productivity, and a decrease in stamp prices."

  • love michael moore? he sucks.. i am a doctor and have a house in nj and a home in floa. he sucks.. and will never want to give money to the poor

  • You use a colloquialism that has always puzzled me. My wife has asked me about it, as she doesn't understand it either. I refer to the expression "he sucks" which you use twice. What does he suck? Does it have a sexual connotation?

  • No, you my idiotic friend ARE so stupid.

  • @BuddieMirren A-men Brother!

  • Call collect lmao

  • Good for him.

  • Furgettabudit

  • Because UPS owes the workers shit........they could simply fire them and hire people that will work and not bitch. Fuck unions today. Started with good intentions...now all they do is get shit for people that don't deserve it.

  • what you know about ups and unions

  • UAW is why GM is dead and buried...I know that. No politician will admit it. Unions nearly always bleed the company dry for fake raises for non-earning members. Guaranteed raises regardless of performance are bullshit.

  • Making terrible cars that nobody wanted to buy had a teeeeny bit to do with it. Check our the Aztec as a perfect example of a car nobody wanted that sold 20 in a year, total. They had no answer to the civic and Japanese smaller fuel efficient cars. They answered with the Cobalt and the Aveo....no thanks.

  • Well that is true, but the reason no one wanted them wasn't because American cars are hip or "in". It was because they had to cut corners on quality because they were paying their employees so much due to union dues.  Check it out, I mean, the average UAW worker was making upwards of $70 per hour after you factor in health insurance and pension whereas Honda or Toyota workers made $40 an hour maybe with all things considered.

  • @opollis

    That was a very small part of the reason why many US auto makers are in deep doo-doo.

  • UPS truck drivers get paid $80,000 a year because of unions. Most people would take that job for $40,000. Explain that.

    Oh and by the way, UAW is the NUMBER 1 reason that GM failed.

  • @opollis

    You are wrong. First of all, not all truck drivers get paid 80,000 a year.

    Secondly, most people might take the job for 40,000, but would not be able to work that job.

    3rd, UAW is NOT the #1 reason GM failed. That is your OPINION but that is not fact, do not confuse the two.

  • A first year driver make about 50k a year, i have worked for ups for 3 years.

  • @Brewski334

    You are incorrect. In the U.S., a first year driver makes 16.10 per hour until they reach their "seniority" date, then $17.25/hr for the remainder of the year. Even with overtime a first-year driver does not break $50k I am full-time 22.3, have worked as a full-time driver and 9th year with company.

  • @opollis Really? What about horrible fuel efficiency when gas cost $3+. Those foreign cars are made by unionized workers. You are a ignorant dumb ass motherfucker and a pawn.

  • The foreign cars are made by unionized workers...prove it pawn.

  • @opollis Since you missed my first point I can tell that your an asshole who won't change your position when a far more intelligent person tells the truth. Do your own research you Ignorant fuck.

  • Prove it simpleton.

  • @opollis

    I find your statement false. The reason GM failed is because they overproduced vehicles that they simply could not sell and COMPETITORS helped saturate the market with.

    For many, many years the UAW helped negotiate satisfying wages and benefits - while GM profited very nicely as well. The two coexisted much the same as UPS and the Teamsters.

  • @opollis

    You have no idea what you are talking about when you say these things.

  • anyone out there that can help me get back to my job at UPS

    is there a SAL that can help me

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  • These corporate bitches crack me up...at 4:00 the dude assumes the position at the door...good god I worked with pricks like that for over 20 years...pussies.

    Send the work over seas and rake in the profits from Habib or Jesus working for pennies.

    The USA imploded thanks to corporate greed...no scruples...at all...the Love of Money rules corporate scum.

  • Do you know what American business lacks? Ethics. Capitalism ONLY works when it is backed by men who have the ethics to run their businesses properly and treat their employees fairly. Capitalism without ethics is about as good as a dictatorship.

  • agree completely it is an ethically corrupt system

  • God I can't wait til I become a lawyer and Bury the asses of mother fuckers like these....

  • That idiot at end of the video standing by the door is a classic example of what you become when you sell your soul to the company store.

  • ROFL got that right. He is standing there looking mortified by what's transpiring

  • some motherfuckers making millions and we doing their damn job doing nothing but cents.

  • Well that's the America we live, give more money and less regulations to big time companies whiles their everyday workers suffer. No wonder many companies hate Unions so much.

  • the guys in white shirts- LAP DOGS

    AMERICA IS FULL OF THEM.

    here lap dog, here lap dog, come here little lap dog

  • lol that wuz funny how that man got mad and grabbed tha contract

  • American corporations suck! America is the WORST country, of all the major industrialized countries, to be a worker in. American corporations are ruining our country, our democracy, our way of life, and our government.

  • I wouldn't say they r the worst country, but they r deffinatly far from the best! and sadly Canada is following in their footsteps...i want to leave so badly!

  • And I want to come... can we switch?

  • @earlymusicus So true, i have worked for a skandinavian company and for an american company, the american company provided the worst conditions and the worst pay. the american companies have done one thing though, they water out the benefits and salaries with a promise of a career which they don't have to honor, cause everybody knows that everyone cannot become a manager.

    But then america is not longer a democracy its a coorporatocracy.

  • @earlymusicus I wouldn't say the worst, but we're definitely not the best.