ORIGIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY AND GOD'S WORD

[zeldaxbox007]

i personnaly disaprove of homogaysuals

[ferdinand1177]

We should indeed hate what God hates - the HOMOSEXUAL ACTS of abomination. Yet love them enough as persons (not the homosexual sins which we must hate) to pray for them if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth that they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil having held captive by him to do his will. for if they continue to do their homosexual sins they are sure to land in hell (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). How sad/tragic that would be.

[GodsTruthIsBetter]

What about when the abomination and the person are the same thing?

A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. - Deuteronomy 22 : 5

Here in Deuteronomy it doesn't say that a woman wearing pants is an ACT of abomination, but that she IS and abomination. What is your recommendation for this situation? Should we love women who wear pants or hate them?

[ferdinand1177]

The principle in Deuteronomy 22:5 is not a literal matter of clothing but a reversal of roles. Man should neither desire to nor in real terms take the role of a woman and "be a woman" nor woman should desire to nor take the role of a man and "be a man". God designed man uniquely for his unique role and vice versa. In matters of love and hate. All of us have our own secret/favorite sins. All are abomination to the Lord. If we hated people like the gays/lesbians (more on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

for their sinful ways, then we too must be subjected to the same hatred for we too are sinful in our own ways. What we should hate as the bible directs us is to hate the sin and love the person enough to help him/her to move in the right direction if/when we are in such a strategic and accessible position. Romans 5:8 demonstrates God's love of all of us sinners by loving us even when we were yet sinners (abomination) to Him, Christ died for us. Thank you for asking, I appreciate it/you.

[theREALiceveela]

no where in the bible does he say you cannot either. in fact the bible DOES say you can make a covenant WITH ANOTHER MAN.

1 Sam. 18:1

"loved him as his own soul"

[ferdinand1177]

Firstly, let me say that you did not read fully and thoroughly the text of my expose' (under "more info" on the video). And that you are insinuating that King David had an intimate physical relations with Jonathan. If that were true, God would not contradict Himself in His bible, right? Here are verses that spell outright His contempt against homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." (more verses on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death..."Romans 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchange the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with me (more on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

committing indecent acts..." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ""Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, shall not inherit the kingdom of God." You have misinterpreted the bible and we are aware of the verse in 1 Samuel 18:1 "..and Jonathan loved him (David) as himself." (NASB Bible) (more on next post).

[ferdinand1177]

The bible explains itself. The interpretation of the phrase would be along; Leviticus 19:18 "...you shall love your neighbor as yourself." One more illustration, look at the earlier words prior to the text you mentioned (in NASB bible) "..that the SOUL of Jonathan was knit to the SOUL of David.." it was not about physical relations but a deep BOND of friendship to death. (NASB bible for ur info is the transliterated version meaning, word for word translation from (more on next page)

[ferdinand1177]

Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) to English. Now. the conversational english/thought translation f the whole text 1 Samuel 18:1 " After David had finished talking with Saul, he met Jonathan, the king's son. There was an immediate bond of love between, and they became THE BEST OF FRIENDS." Such is the meaning of SOUL to SOUL relationship. I mentioned, we are aware that such verse is that which is used by homosexuals to justify their cause. (more on next post)

[theREALiceveela]

is physical sex what you need for a loving relationship? i do not think so. having sex between two men and a man and a woman are no different. both are immoral. the only reason it would not be is if a man and a woman had sex FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROCREATION or to stop from overusing sex. so they can "control themselves."

[ferdinand1177]

Sorry, but you lost me somewhere. Like what I said. Do as you please. the word of God has already warned you. but one last comment. The author of the bible is God and he used men to write it. there are 66 books in the bible written by men used by God (more than 44 of them) who by majority of them never knew each other for they were separated by generations of 1500 years in span yet none of them contradicted each other for it was God who inspired the word (more on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

meaning; say, that d word of God is d ball & d writers were Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Jerry West, Dwane Wade; God inspired d ball & not Michael Jordan & company. This explains why no contradiction in d bible 4 God was directing His word through d minds, heart & hands of men He used. Yet one more comment, procreation is not d only reason 4 sex bet. man & woman. But as God gave d homosexuals 2 degrading passions, I leave u now 2 ur claim of great expertise.

[ferdinand1177]

Now, it is your choice to insist what you want for as long as you want it. It would change God's truth one bit. God's word will always stand. One last thing, observe the verse again, it was the first time that Jonathan and David met. And over the years as best of friends, there is nothing in the bible that even hint that their friendship went down to physical relationship. The SOUL is the seat of will, emotion, thoughts and decision and it is not physical.

[theREALiceveela]

i know leviticus 20:13 "and with a male do not lie lyings of a woman", and you said it yourself "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions" he also says he gave them a "reprobate" mind. homosexuals? what bible are you reading? i read soft (arsenokoitai) and a word that is translated a male-bedders (arsenokoitai). the bible does not mention the "knitting" of souls. "deep bond", yes, i know, love is a deep bond.

[theREALiceveela]

love is not physical. i never said they had sex, but they were lovers.

go and not sin, than come back and call me a sinner.

goodbye.

[theREALiceveela]

i love how ignorant you are... and i agree, god DID only create two sexes. but only when he created the first two people in the world. he created a bunch of other people not known as "sins" much as the mentally retarded, autistic, schizophrenic, and physically deformed. are all these people sinners? no they are not. and neither is homosexuality or the "third sex"

[Sharpe3884]

This great country of ours will continue to be a hypocritical sham until we actually practice what we preach which means complete equality in the eyes of the law except for convicted criminal by the courts. It is a shame that bible quotes would supersede the law of this nation in our most cherished document. Its a shame so many christians do not even realize that jesus' words were meant to bring good and not evil into this world and promoting inequality is downright evil.

[ferdinand1177]

Sorry but what you call "my interpretations" were illustrations direct from the bible. Say for example hat you mentioned about my definition of "abominable".. I was not giving my own definition of :"abominable or abomination", it was God Himself who said so in the bible in Leviticus 18:22 "You hall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." And here are other direct quotes from the bible if you would follow me up to the next two (2) post after this...

[ferdinand1177]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God," Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a male who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." (more on next post"

[ferdinand1177]

Romans 1:26-27 "and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts .." Now, God is more just and righteous than all of us combined and yet it was He who said all of these things about homosexuality. If you dont; believe in God, then it is your choice. And God is three (3) Persons in One God; God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit and they are always in agreement.

[ferdinand1177]

Such is the harmony and united relationship among the three (3) Persons of the the Holy Trinity. Try this passage in; Ephesians 1:1-6 - God the Father planned salvation; Ephesians1: 7-12 - God the Son, delivered/executed salvation and Ephesians 1:13-14 - God the Holy Spirit sealed salvation. Now you may say that men wrote the bible. 1 Timothy 3:16-17 disproves that and prove that God is the author of the bible and used men to write the bible. God Himself inspired d scriptures (God-breathed).

[ferdinand1177]

And by the way, What God said, it was what Jesus said for Jesus said in John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." But I already mentioned it to you that there are Three (3) Persons in One God. Well, for additional info, the God the we often refer to is the Godhead - the Triune God (The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One God).

[theREALiceveela]

i agree with you, "every scripture is INSPIRED by god" but it was not written by god. gods hand did not come down and tell them what to write or write it himself. paul wrote letters to the hebrews, and many other people, he did not know this would be holy scripture when he wrote it. or it would state something like "i was told this by god" or something like revelations was, or leviticus was.

[Sharpe3884]

Jesus' own quote is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Would you want to be stripped of rights and treated with inequality in the eyes of the law in your own country that professes freedom and equality for all. Denying homosexuals the same rights as everyone else is the sin - one against the constitution which so many espouse but dont bother following. This inequality is as much a stain as what african americans were forced to fight for in the 60s.

[Sharpe3884]

This is distortions of the words. Every time some word needs explanation that means it is just an interpetation. Ask yourself what would jesus do? Someone who is portray to be as tolerant and open as him surely would know treat someone that is different as a sinner. There is nothing in those words above that say homosexuality is a choice. NOTHING. Its not more of a choice than ones race or ethnicity. It cannot be changed. That is the fundamental flaw here.

[ferdinand1177]

(Revelations 21:8 "But the cowardly, and unbelieving, and abominable (includes homosexuals), and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Now, the problem is that once you die without Christ as your Lord and Savior, your fate in hell is sealed forever and ever (Luke 16:19-26). Now, if you continue to believe that there is no God, it is your choice. (more on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

NO one is forcing you nor I force you to believe what I believe. And the woman you mentioned, the bible says in John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time..." John 4:24 "God is spirit.." He can't be seen, how can anyone have a visual representation of the awesome, true and living God? If you judge me as weak, then so be it.... it does not matter to me... it matters to me where I would end up in eternity one day. You will have your confirmation one day, I am sure of it (more on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

For whether one is in the pi of hell or in heaven, there will be a day when ever knee every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord as recorded in  Philippians 2:10-11 "... that at the name of Jesus every knee whould bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth , and under the earth and that every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father."

[morten90]

if god is real, ill go to hell! =) I know.

But why does christians take out what they want of the bible? Why cant you sell your daughter as a slave, when it says you can do it in the bible. and if I knew somone within sabath, I can kill them. have you touched pigskin? if you have your not clean. if u have eaten shellfish you have comitted a crime. and why cant I burn a bull? it says in the bible that thats a good sacrefise. have u cut your hair? your doomed! :S see u in hell? :S

[ferdinand1177]

I am sorry to disappoint you. I will not be in hell. I shall be with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in heaven as He promised.

[morten90]

Then WHY are you shaping God into what you want him to be! Your the fucking anti Christ if you honestly can go against the bible, and still tell other people that your doing the right thing.

[ferdinand1177]

I am sorry but I don;t follow your logic. From all the things I have written down even the verses which came from God Himself, I don't see how I tried to shape God into what I want Him to be. Much less, that I tried to go against the bible. I am sorry that I would have to leave you on your own now and be on your way where you want to be.

[morten90]

my logic is: you have have comited alot of sins. Why should you not pay for it? Why are you rewarded when you have cut your hair, when you have touched pigs, when you have eaten different stuff that has been growing on the same field as another product!

if you belive in the bible, you are allowed to sell your daughter as a slave.

But no. you say to yourself you havent comitted any sin, you cant sell your daughter.

The bible does not agree with itself. you follow halv of it, your a sinner

[ferdinand1177]

One last note before I shall finally leave you... I feel compassion for you for the second death which is mentioned in Revelations 21:8 and Luke 16:19-26 is place of ETERNAL torment where those without God/Jesus Christ go and a place where the fire is not quenched and all bodily senses are intact to feel the burning sensation of hell for all eternity. As for your notes on the bible, I am sorry to say that you have got everything wrong and distorted and it is very, very sad. bye "morten90".

[morten90]

sorry but talking about a book does not make a difference, you havent answered a singel question or told me anything you think... i think its sad that your life is based on a bullshit book. good bye see you in hell

[rotena25]

@morten90 burn in hell.

[rotena25]

@morten90 Ferdinand1177 is trying to speak the truth to you, but you give him a hard time. Why is your heart so hardened to hear the truth of god.

[ferdinand1177]

@rotena25 God bless (favors) you @rotena25 for standing up for the truth of Jesus Christ. Thank you for dropping by. Again, GBWU.

[Sharpe3884]

abominable is not at all synonymous with homosexual in any dictionary. It is defined as loathsome, detestable, unpleasant, disagreeable. These are all adjectives ie descriptive words and not nouns. You are once again misinterpeting the bible to fit your own opinion through

[morten90]

in my opinion there is no god, you are wrong and even though no god can punish you. I think your punishment is to live this live unknowing and like an idiot beliving in fairytales. Look up God Warrior on youtube, a fat ugly woman that has nothing but a twisted image of god as her hero. she makes him the way she wants him to be beacuse she is to weak for reality... I think I should say the same about you.

[ferdinand1177]

What is your guarantee that your opinion is right? What if what the words of God in the bible is true? For example, Hebrews 9:27 "Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment." The, when you die, you would surely be judged and the judgement for people without Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior is eternity in hell. Now, the bible records second death as hell where Satan will be thrown also for all eternity to be tormented day and night. (more on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

Revelations 20:10 "And the Devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are also;and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." And those who do not have God/Jesus Christ will be thrown there too for torment forever and ever (more on next post)

[groovysherrie65]

There are many paths, and many different travelers. I think the true test is whether we can except others, and treat them as "God's creatures". When we can get along and appreciate each other for our differences, that will truly be heaven. Co-exist!!!

[ferdinand1177]

For all intents and purposes, I accept all even the worst of sinners for I too am a sinner and maybe I am one of the worst of sinners and yet God accepted me when I repented of my sins and accepted the healing from Jesus. And so as God did not wait for us to be good in order for Him to offer a great sacrifice thru His Son, Jesus Christ (Romans 5:8), I can do no less. But I don't necessarily agree with their sinful ways. And at best then out of love for them, I warn them of the dangers they face.

[groovysherrie65]

Your God says, "Judge not, L'est ye be Judged". Perhaps you should look it up.

[ferdinand1177]

If you would only read the whole of my inputs once more, you would perhaps find that I was not judging anyone. Instead, I wrote the article as a matter of great concern for them who are not exposed to the truth of God. I was giving a warning which God commands in His bible to sins being committed. At the same time, showing the path to healing thru Jesus Christ.

[solandcb]

Fundamentalist Christians are fun.

Since the Bible says that those who work on the Sabbath should be put to death, are you planning on going to Walmart and fulfilling God's duty by killing the wicked who choose to work on that day?

Since the New Testament says that no women shall teach or hold a position of authority over men, will you be going to public schools and demanding the wicked women who teach children to leave their jobs?

I'm just curious to what degree a hypocrite you are.

[ferdinand1177]

TY 4 taking time 2 make a comment 4 by d providential will of God, u were brought here 4 a purpose.... 2 Timothy 2:24-25 "And the Lord's bond-servant must not be quarelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with GENTLENESS correcting those who are in opposition , if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will."

[ferdinand1177]

For all intents and purposes, all that I have been doing is for the love of God and His love ones (all sinners, included) using the word of God as prescribed (2 Timothy 3:16-17 " All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, for training in righteousness that the man of God maybe adequate, equipped for every good work." I do not do violence nor I impose my will nor point of view on anyone for even anger does not attain the righeteousness of God.

[solandcb]

Yeah, I think your God sent me here to tell you to start using that head he gave you. Instead of idolizing and worshiping the Bible by being an unquestioning and completely devoted servant to it, perhaps you could actually take a lesson from that Jesus fella in it. He said that religion exists to serve man, not the other way around. Yup, I think that is the message your God wanted me to deliver. Good luck accusing people of being under the influence of the devil because they use reason.

[ferdinand1177]

I rest my case with you sir.

[Oathaniel]

I think gay people should be allowed marriage, under the eyes of the law. Whether god see's it as valid is not an important legal aspect. It is your personal responsibility to define and maintain your morals, not the governments.

[Oathaniel]

And I don't think one can compare the sin of homosexuality to the breaking of the ten commandments.

[ferdinand1177]

"Oathaniel", would you be saying then that one who has homosexual tendencies should disregard God and what He says as sin to act out one's homosexual tendencies instead of submitting them to God for solution in Christ Jesus putting the laws of man over Him thus rendering God as inferior and subordinate to the whims and desires of man? At such a situation, would that one person not putting himself in direct/arrogant opposition to God and sitting himself as god demeaning the God who created him?

[ferdinand1177]

I did not compare sin 2 homosexual tendencies. I mentioned that such tendencies were a product of d sin of Adam/Eve that distorted his/her genetic structure giving birth 2 such tendencies of homosexuality, murder, rape among others. It is that act of giving in 2 such sexual tendencies be it homosexual, murder, rape, adultery, robbery, gossip, lying etc. that makes sin, a sin in d eyes of a Holy God. (more on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

All acted out tendencies r sins denying God even His offer of solution in Christ Jesus. God the Father had 2 sacrifice His Son 2 suffer d most humiliating persecution of all even crucifying Him naked 4 all 2 see & mock if only 2 provide us a way of escape from our depraved condition. It was d greatest sacrifice of all; all 4 d love of all sinners even those who have acted out their homosexual tendencies thus to deny His offer of solution in Christ is 2 spurn Him Who loves us so much.

[CaMaverick]

It's just too bad that stupidity is a sin, lucky for you...

[ferdinand1177]

I am sorry that I don't understand what you mean "CaMaverick". I did not allude to anything to the state of stupidity. Ignorance, "yes" for before this, those with homosexual tendencies would not not normally know that homosexual tendencies were a by-product of the sin of Adam and Eve and has no part in the eternal plan of God for His kingdom. And my current state has nothing to do with luck but by the grace of God, I came to know such things for...(pls read next post)

[ferdinand1177]

I too had my "sin of Adam-produced inheritance" and that I was so deep in the pit of sin, destruction, darkness and that I was so blind I too could not see my depraved state. If you would only care to read my testimony of God's grace posted here in my youtube channel and/or the one posted at precious-testimonies. com website entitled, "IT CAME DOWN TO EITHER SUICIDE OR GOD" then you would see how desperate my situation was and that hopefully things would be made clearer.

[CaMaverick]

oh sorry, I forgot the united states was a christian theocracy, excuse me while I go down to city hall and see some women get stoned

[ferdinand1177]

Biblically speaking, "CaMaverick" USA today is morally/ spiritually decadent. Now, regardless of what anyone believes even d position u have taken, d truth of God written in His bible (His word) remains true, unchanging/ will last 4 all eternity (Isaiah 40:6-8). It is by d choices that we make that defines our eternal destiny - heaven or hell. If u choose not 2 believe; I respect that, again I say. (more on next post)

[ferdinand1177]

But allow me to say this; ur encounter w/ the video proclamations about the Origin of Homosexuality is not an accident but was by the providential will of God! (the bible tells me so). The ball is in your hands so to speak. You are free to do with the inputs that came to know about.