I find most people hate macs because they're trendy. Like all trendy things, they're something that already exists getting a new logo then tripling the price tag and being marketed as prestigious and endorses by trendy figures. But thats not what brings the hate, what brings the hate are the people who buy these products justifying their purchase by belittling their practical counterparts.
"Anything less than the most expensive is cheap and inferior."
wtf, almost everything is true but if you want to replace the motherboard you can do that on a pc. Maybe you only want to change the motheroard, because there is a different type of cpu you can put in or it has other specifications you want, You dont have to change the whole computer. You can change everything in a pc and thats nothing special to do. There are so many different parts in the world and they always gte better, so you always want the best.
Its not about how many windows Pc can run, what he was showing you was the pure power, I game hard but do everything from Video edit to Auto Cad with my PC and I have some progams that will crash a Mac b/c of specs you need to run them, and Yes I use it to do my work. Nothing wrong with Mac's to each his own..
one thing a friend often mentions is that the mac uses EFI as opposed to BIOS, although I generally check facts on these things and the only cross-platform benchmark for audio work (which is what we do) I could find stated that Mac's EFI was in fact at a disadvantage, and also that recent (i7) mac pros actually handled multi-threading worse than a well built windows system. I'm aware windows systems can utilise EFI on the mainboard but just a general difference in hardware you might not know.
@jbrige Umm, being a Windows user, I shouldn't support this, but if you hold Control on a mac, it right clicks. Or you can connect a 2 button mouse and it will work. I feel like a traitor now.
what makes a mac, a mac is the brand name. If I would slap the name "mac" on my pc form 98 and put osX on it, it would get sold like africans do babyes.
That's only an 80-100 dollar upgrade if you don't go cheap. Say you want something like SLI or Crossfire compatibility that your old mobo didn't have? That's a legitimate reason to upgrade only the motherboard of your computer, and that wouldn't be buying a new computer. Just giving you a good reason to "Upgrade" a motherboard. ^_^ Windows PCs have a lot of different ways they can be upgraded, while the MacPC is much more limited. They're both good machines in the field of work they're used for.
@Blivia You're right. A Mac will only upgrade so far via expansion cards (~$1000 for upgrades). Then you've got to pay another $2000 for a new Mac when your old one is out of date. SO MUCH MONEY WASTED!
You're right, and if you "Buy a new computer" as par his standards, lets assume new Motherboard, RAM, and CPU. That's going to be, at most 500 dollars, and that's for some of the higher of quality parts, assuming you don't skimp on processor, or Motherboard. (Say, a current i7 processor on the Sandy Bridge, and a motherboard at about 100 dollars, maybe even 150.) And the rest on 4 GB+ of RAM. That's still half the price of a PC with those specs.
With a Mac hardware is much more limited, the Windows PC can use the VAST majority of graphics cards (All of them that I'm aware of.) While the Mac has a special lineup, same with a lot of hardware. When you buy hardware for a Mac PC, you have to look up specifically what will work with the OS, with WinPC you just have to make sure it fits in one of your ports.
Second of all, what if you bought a second motherboard that had extra features, and ports, but utilized your previous hardware?
im on a mac and i can right click. dont talk shit if you dont know what the hell youre talking about. youve probably never used a mac before. and if you dont like the mouse that comes with it you can always buy a new mouse. it's that simple. macs are amazing. go use your ignorance elsewhere.
When a person says 'PC' they refer to a IBM computer as they have same/similar architecture.
Macs have some sort of extra hardware preventing OSX to be run on PC, which has obviously been hacked so you can run OSX on PC, and Apple only want their Mac computers to run OSX, I wouldn't mind OSX multibooting with Windows, but we all know that PCs are the dominant computers and rule, and are the best :3
@DefconComputers Alright. RAM. 4+ GB is good. CPU. Update it if you want something good. Motherboards: get something good from Intel or some other place. Video cards: Nvidia or ATI.
Guess what? It costs less money than a Mac to home build stuff when you know what you're doing.
The reason people complain about the difference in performance is because you barely get to use the laptop or comp before they come out with a new one. People don't replace PC's as a whole as often, thus the complaints.
@HappyGuyxlii "The reason people complain about the difference in performance is because you barely get to use the laptop or comp before they come out with a new one"
This is the warped logic that so many people use. Mac is barely upgradeable, therefore if you buy it better last for 3 years atleast (In terms of performance)
By frequently updating their products, apple makes sure theirs are always up to date and you never buy an "outdated" machine that might underperform in 2 years.
@HappyGuyxlii The problem comes when people say stuff like "A new one is released, therefore mine is old". It's that sort of logic that boggles the mind. Like if a new product is released yours is instantly less capable of doing what it was already doing...
If they didn't update frequently, you can feel like you own the "top mac". But if you buy it and after 1.5 years its too slow, you will feel ripped off. CAn't have ur cake and eat it too
@BrianTheBoss16 PC's have the capacity to be better than Macs. It depends on which Mac or PC you buy. Although the interface for PC will always be better, no matter what.
Can't we just settle our differences. I mean all computers are just boxes that takes in some 1s and 0s and spit out some 1s and 0s when you get down to the basics and we all have our personal preference. I use a Mac as my main computer but I don't mind Linux, not so keen on XP but that comes down to the facts that it is ancient (Our school PCs have Win7 and that seems fine) so why can't we just stop arguing, if you like PC that's fine, if you like Mac that's fine, if you like Linux that's fine.
does apple allow unmanaged code? does it allow some things to be performed via code? in windows, i can associate my custom file extension via registry hive. I can manipulate third party software and oem gui via windows handles. does apple have something similar like win32 api?? I can edit real time memory. can i do it on a mac? just curious.
Can you take your video card out of your mac, and replace it with one you got from best buy? Add standard ram? Switch hard drives? And if you think its DDR your ignorant, there are dozens of types of RAM, and while I'm correcting you, Macs are proprietary, the parts are mac only. My windows breaks, its 250 dollars for a new hard drive, I can get one for 10$, or tear one out of my own computer. I can buy a windows laptop for 200.
@Dillorzaarour no. My friend gave me a PowerMac G3. He was boasting about how it would "never crash", and "always boot". Then I got the machine and he seems to have changed his mind on the matter.
@TalesOfWar OSX is a Unix based OS. Linux is based on Unix. Linux is free. Why pay THAT much for OSX when it's not a few hundred dollars better than Linux?
@sbtapeleg Windows 7 is NT based. Why should we use that over basic old Windows NT? Or why should people have used Windows 98 over MS-DOS? Just because something is based on the same thing as something else doesn't mean it's the same. Apple put a hell of a lot of time, effort and money into developing OSX and have given a heap load of code back to the open source community in the process. OSX itself is quite cheap too, $129 for non upgrade license. Free isn't always better.
@TalesOfWar There's a lot of guys putting a hell of a lot of time improving Linux as well. Sure, the appearance is not as polished and pretty as OSX, but it's more, if not just as, useful as OSX.
OSX is $129 PLUS the extra cost of getting overpriced Mac hardware (it's illegal to run OSX on anything else). Windows is $70 more, but in the long run, you're saving money and end up paying less for an all around better computer.
@sbtapeleg Linux is great, I don't dispute that. But the very thing that makes it so brilliant is also the thing holding it back. There's no unified accepted standard distro, it's all a fragmented mess. This is also why professional software developers often ignore it beyond the 3D scene where they gain the advantage of not having to license each box in a render farm to get stuff done. OSX is more useful as it has more commercial software available. Many NEED that to make a living.
@TalesOfWar Many companies, like google, use linux for different needs. The thing that's brilliant about linux, which does NOT hold it back, is that there is no unified accepted standard distro. It's open source. People can change it however they wish to suit their needs. When you get down to it, many people NEED THAT to make a living
At the middle and entry end of the market there really is no difference between mac and pc. It's purely preference. But if you're an enthusiast, the super high end stuff is really only available on the PC side of things.
Why open 100 programs at a time? It is not useful? Directly no. But the info it give is very very useful.
Why PC do overclocking? For the same reasons. We want to know if the computer endure. And, most of the time, we reach the conclusion it even not endure what normal use would requires.
@flyliketails The diference is I can play COD5 with this memory of shit of 1 gig (don't even whant to know what are the other hardware spec), while with my PC I only can with a 3gig.
I can play 20 games at the same time. most of your info is wrong about upgrading macs, also you can upgrade laptops you just got to know how to soder parts on and off,thats about it.
some guy with the youtube name MrMacfan137 or something like that claimed that apple invented usb, was the first to integrate it to the mouse, and eventually invented bluetooth which apple integrated to the mouse.........truly and obviously a apple fanboy. xD
@jeffreysyang I think he was getting confused. Apple were the first to use USB on their consumer line of machines and the first to use USB for their keyboards and mice. They didn't invent it. Intel did methinks, or at least they helped with it's development. Apple invented FireWire, maybe he's confusing it with that? FireWire is always preferred where possible over USB (at least for me, it's just so much faster). I think they were the first to use BT for mice and so on, but didn't invent it.
@diexico People tend to ignore everything beyond the CPU, RAM and GPU in systems and just compare those things to Macs. Macs come with a lot of things as standard that other machines don't, and the way things are implemented tends to be superior with PC's at the same price level. Backlit keyboard for example, motion sensor for hard drive parking if it falls, magnetic power cables, smooth lid hinges that require 1 hand, excellent battery life (that doesn't require a huge appendage on the back)...
You can upgrade the motherboard. If you need to run SLI or CrossFire you get just get a MOBO that supports SLI or CrossFire and use the rest of yuor part. We PC users have more MOBO option more video card options and more sound card options.
@pawank90 Mac could mean alot of things, it all depends on context. It could be in reference to networking, or in this particular case it was in reference to a particular brand of computers produced by a company in the middle of CA that likes to tell people how they should use their computers at an exorbitant rate.
As much as I hate Macs and what used to be Apples....
I have to agree that PC & Mac are virtually the same now, especially since the switch to Intel. I'm one of those people that does run a crapload of engineering programs at once on my PC, and often have 3 or 4 instances of EVE Online running along with them - all on a homebuilt crapbox which is about four years old. Everything runs just fine, with the rare laggy hiccup. I'm not saying a Mac can't do this, but I'll stick with my PCs.
@applemacintosh10 New wireless standards are released every few years such as wireless N. The same thing happens with the security standards as well on them causing issues sometimes with newer devices and older ones.
I have a Macbook that does'nt like WPA2 networks, However an older PC laptop with an addin wireless card works fine on them.
Sure I agree with you that the upgradeability of the Mac is not on par with the PC. However, that being said, most computer users don't upgrade their computer at all. I've been doing IT for many years and I've found most computers never get upgraded. And the one's that do, it usually is the HD or RAM which is as easy to upgrade on both Mac's and PC's.
@axsimulate Macs are as easy (in fact, in my experience, easier) to upgrade the hardware in than pretty much every OEM PC of the same FORM FACTOR (that bit is important! lol) on the market. A MacBook Pro is easier to upgrade than nearly every Windows laptop i've ever been inside of, same with all-in-ones. The Mac Pro is a joy to work with when it comes to upgrades too. Again, form factor is the key point here. People compare a MBP to a sodding tower system, of course the tower is easier.
I'm not saying upgrading a Mac is hard by any stretch of the imagination. In many cases something such as swapping a HD in a Mac is much easier than on a PC. What I'm saying is that since the PC is more common, there are many more upgrade options available to them.
I still prefer a Mac over a PC, although I work on PCs every single day.
actually macs usually lead the way for ram. They were at DDR3 before PC was. What i mean is that DDR3 is included stock more often than PC does.
And you get a new motherboard for better sound, but still with the same socket for your current processor. Also different motherboards can have more slots for ram (2 vs. 4), which means more memory. And one last thing, some motherboards do not support crossfire or sli, so you need to upgrade if youre goin that route.
There are other differences... such as OSX comes standard with lots of great little programs I have had to purchase from third party on windows. Such as Time Machine (windows backup doesn't allow grabbing one file), Automator, php and apache built in, iOS development, fully html5 compliant browser, iLife, multi-touch track pad, and yes, a pretty box :)... without 12 multimedia buttons and switches. Windows can do most of it, but all those 3rd party programs.. bogs a system
@collegekid491 I suppose that makes sense. It would also explain why people use hackintoshes - they build what is essentially a pc and then merely install OSX.
You save money and you don't have to use windows, if you don't like it, for whatever reason..
You have a good point on every aspect of differences of mac and PC is the same but the main big difference is that the OS X is more secure than windows OS mainly that it's based on unix system and isn't prone to viruses and spyware which is a big plus on my books. I really don't like the fact once you have a virus or spyware on windows not all virus and spyware programs remove the malware. Not to say that mac's OS isn't prone just less likely to be affected.
You're completely right and you did some great work clarifying often misunderstoon mac facts. And macs ARE overall superior to PC's and if anyone disagrees or just thinks I'm a mac lover for no reason I can post a shitload of arguments confirming my statement.
actually, most people that say PC's are better than macs have never used a mac in there life, thats why they make up dumb information like "macs cant open zip files" or "macs cant play any games" and other stuff like PC users are smarter than mac users. like jango1968 has probably never used a mac before or if he has it was very lightly. both mac and pc have about 50% of the market now a days. i really think the pc people says macs suck is apples fault with the Mac vs Pc ads though =p
Macs are safer. Easy in the eye. Good looking. Easy to use. Smooth. Cheap. Do not break down unless you disrespect it in any way. NO VIRUS. No SPYWARE. And there is a big difference between Mac and pc
PC Destops come with this fucking great big block called the computer, and all that comes with the iMac is a screen (built in hard drive and drivers) mouse and keyboard
It's all up to taste really, to me mac feels smoother and the MS office layout is much better, specially photoshop, but like I said, its all about taste. I just prefer mac cuz of the different ways to go about your app's
a motherboard on a pc is around £40-£100 and a new mac is £1200 upwards so pc is better, and why pay all that money to run ms office on a mac, if mac is so good how come you need ms office, yeah to do actual useful work
@jango1968 Well both Mac and PC have to purchase MS office. Apple likes to push their office products now especially with the iPad announcement. Keynote, Pages, etc. feel like MS office clones to me.
I agree on the price, PC prices keep dropping and Mac prices stay the same.
@jango1968 probably because macs have much better screens and they have much beteter displays and wireless keyboard and mouse and they come with imovie, garageband, iphoto, stuff like that
@jango1968 I dont like how so many people use pc's. Also Mac aptops have generally had better battery life in a smaller and lighter weight notebook, such as the Powerbook g4 that I started out with. But I would love a little thinkpad too. I wish computer makers would all make there own OS.
@applemacintosh10 "I wish computer makers would all make there own OS." It would be interesting if that were true and make things bit more expensive at the same time, particularly in the commercial software area where compatibility issues might occur.
You get generic kernel, capable of everything. If you want a much more slick memory footprint, you can strip the kernel to your taste(not mentioning stripping the whole distro). You can shape the whole os as much as you want it to be - thats the benefit. Otherone is security, decentralization, portability, no DRM, no spyware(WGA), great security ootb, package management to name a few. System does stuff done without crashing, viruses, monthly subscriptions, warez, nag-screens, limitations.
It just sounds to me that the time and effort someone would spend doing that would offset the benefit. Not to say I would'nt mind a stripped down linux distro, however I would'nt spend my own time to make it, I would just download one that someone else made.
so if there the same y does the mac cost more? Y pay 2000 for new mac when i can pay 300 for awsome motherboard?
I guess you shot your self in da foot lol..
who want to play games on a computer I fucking do..
Imagine what u can build with 2 grand..
quad core 1 terrabyte hdmi liquid cooler all the bells and whistles and then get a massive 26 in monitor.. its christmas baby. or u can build something decent and save your money.... with pc u got options and they do it all..
I agree on this. The Mac's performance wise you pay more. The reasoning behind it is that Macs are supposed to have higher build and component quality, which I personally disagree on, and say they are about the same these days.
I hate both pc and mac equally, they can both do it better than they currently are.
and far as buliding my own i pay people to build it for me like mill. other i have money to do that lol and in that case go buliding you a house or a car you can save all type of money but then again do you want to go throw that just to save a few dollar if so go at it me i got money to buy what i want.
i got both of them i got a mac pro 8core because i wanted to use some of there editing softw but pound for pound its the same just diffence operating system. do i want a black benz or a blue benz the blue have four extra core do i need that if so i will take the blue benz can you dig it lol
Not so. Pc's are cheaper "pound for pound". Furthermore PC's pwn macs in their components. A PC will be cheaper and more powerful always. They get the new components B4 macs do, i bet they have yet to run the i7. But even if they do, their already far behind. Early this year im going to build a 12 core, 24 process thread comp with USB 3.0 Sata 6.0Gbps, and 7 PCI-e slots, likely for less then a current mac setup, and with next gen components. mac-ists, try not to get too jealous. :)
well mac is running i7, but the 8core mac pro 2.26 run the same as the i7 and when you look at the 2.93 its way faster then the i7 plus mac have something new i hear that coming out 02-01-2010 but that system you doing will b sweeeet cause now i have the 8 core mac pro 2.93 processor with 32g 8x4g that i got from owc for half the price mac wanted with 8tb hard drive and this processor my raw 4k video file nice
OK nice, about time eh? 2 years after their release lol. Neway its only the 2.8ghz one, U do know that PC's Have a 3.0, 3.2, and a 3.33ghz versions? So PC wins, sorry, u can wait 6 months for them, and buy a new mac lol.
Can u do up any SLI or Crossfire on ur Imac? lol NOPE! But lets look at the Mac Pro tower for that one. You have One PCI-e x16 slot, and 2 4x. Right now, video cards are going to be bottle necked by a 4x slot. So NO REAL Sli or crossfire even for the flagship mac.
And The OS as bull shit to do with speed except for the SPEED OF THE OS. lol. What has the most to do with speed IS power and SPEED, which the PC will always trump Macs in. And noone gives a shit how fast some MAC can boot its OS vs a PC. I bet a PC would boot mac OS faster anyway, given that macs are year old PC's sold as "new".
Furthermore with those SHITTY ass PCI-e slots say goodbye to building a "supercomputer" with gpu computing... Sure you could run 1 tesela card, but PC's will be running 3-4 all at 16x. Mac's fucking suck PERIOD.
Yeah building a gaming pc rig i'd want crossfire, but i dont want a gaming pc rig :)
if i wanted to game id game on a console, that way its far, everyones on a level playing field, you didnt win cause your rig have 4 1gb GPU's and their running 1 at 256mb.
and also have you ran any benchmarks on your pc? i suggest you post a video of you geekbench score, or post it here, and ill do the same and see whos got the faster system :)
the fastest single socket CPU currently on the market it the 3.33Ghz Xeon processor, which you can have 2 of in the mac pro :)
and os cant have a speed, its letters and numbers that your computer reads and processes, yeah it can be optimised to run better with certain components, but ultimatly if your system is shit, then your os will run shit, if you system is good, your os will run good
LOL and what is that going to cost U? rofl. Compared to the PC build equivalent, Ur retarded to do so. For a quad core MAC pro with best video card (which is a pos) is just under $3000USD. The PC equivalent, that supports larger quantity's of ram, and FASTER ram is less then half, and u could get cool stuff like USB 3.0. "The quad-core Mac Pro supports up to 16GB of 1066MHz DDR3" ROFL, basic PC boards support 24gb of tripple channel 1600+. Macs suck my balls!
and anyway im not a gamer, and the vast majority of computer uses arent either, mac arent designed for gaming, therefore a pc that is DESIGNED for gaming should run games better, alot of people would be pissed if they didnt, so for the vast majority of the public (none gamers) the mac is perfect, it does EVERYTHING else faster the same price of a pc would.
but please benchmark you system using geekbench and see if you can beat mine :)
PS. Pc's arent "designed" for games, they just dont have a deficiency. Also you mean Mac OS does not support games. The vast majority of the public 80% plus believe the mac is not for them, and use PC. And macs do everything the way PC's did a year ago, but have a gimp OS to boot. Oh and are 2x over priced.
Furthermore as far as Video editing and image graphics go, PC will soon reign supreme with gpu processing. Which pc's are already can do. How is that xeon going to statd up against equivalent processor PC's with 3x-4x gpu processing going on?
if you dont have the money to buy mac then dont b upset just go and buy you a pc lmao this mac system is only for the guys who can afford them not kids lmao
BHAHA, Why would anyone spend 6K on a mac when you can get NEWER components, that mac will be selling in 6months time. For less then half the price? Its like buying an 09 vehicle, when the 2010 version is half the price. Mac's are for the ignorant, not the poor.
Mac's only claim to fame was 2d graphics, and video. 2d graphics is going be running a lot better on a PC with 24Gb 1800mhz ram VS a Mac with 16gb of 1066mhz ram. They are now loosing video aswell. Nvidia CUDA gpu processing takes a 6hour Quad core extreme render down to under 40min on a single 295GTX video card. Now multiply that x4 in SLI mode, maybe even grab the new fermi architecture Nvidia is releasing this year. AND THAT MAKES A MAC A $3000 DOLLAR PAPER WEIGHT.
one thing i agree with you on the price but to me mac is just more friendly user i mean like to remove a file u have to go and uninstall with pc but mac just drag to the trash and thats it ....but again if you cant afford a benz the go and get a focus lmao
lol Soo dumb. To delete a file on a PC you have to "uninstall" it? LOL? You really think that eh? Really exposing your ignorance right now. BTW its not buying a "cheap focus" instead of an "expensive benz" Its buying a benz for cost, instead of paying a dealer (mac) 2x the possible cost. THEY USE THE SAME COMPONENTS AS PC, ONLY OLDER STUFF. For 3 grand i can build a PC with 2 tesla gpu processing cards, and get the power of a small super computing cluster. How does a 3000 Mac compare to that?lol
thats not true what new components pc use that mac dont use and i bet u that mac will have that i9 processor befor pc then i will have two i9 processor wow with my 12core and thats all i need anything else will b to much for me this is all i need to process my 5k video now im lmao
How about the i7, we had it first. how about all the video cards, we have em first. how about the fastest ram, we get that first. LOL Across the board PC gets stuff first. They just USB 3.0 and sata 6Gbps. MACS DONT HAVE THAT lol, the list goes on. 2nd i GUARANTEE PC's will have the i9 first, as we have had every previous intel processor first, always. Finally, even 2 i9's wouldn't compare to a single 295gtx video card as far as video encoding/transcoding. YOU LOOSE, lol go shoot a gun.
ok pc lover i just went on dell and gateway page to see what r you telling and for my system i got the both of them cost more then i paid for my system so what r you talking about this is fax lol and i will go and shoot a gun tomarrow at the range lol
look guy im tring to not get into calling name not once have i call you out your name but if you want to keep calling me out my name thin i will at like an ass hold to on your page now you got some good points but dont mess it up by being ignorance
Another thing mac's apparently dont have yet pc's do. PUNCTUATION MARKS. lol. Ur acting like a button flailer. Is this what most mac users are like? And yes it is ignorance, you checked dell/gateway. Anyone computer savvy will laugh at that comment due to the extreme level of ignorance it portrays. (especially given the context of the argument lol)
Think in context not of a computer tech person, but in context of the average, unaware home user. If the media keeps pushing to you that Mac is great and better than PC you don't know better. So they will compare a Mac to a Dell and see how the Mac is better. However anyone building computer's themselves know they can do it much cheaper.
The majority of PC users are Billy bob user, who don't know how to build their computer. So they buy from Dell, HP, etc. So you need to compare between those and the standard macs
I agree with this guy. I'm a pc butthey do have the same capabilities. My main point is price. The lowest end mac (mac mini) is $599 with no extra software. A $600 pc either will have the same capabilities, albeit less cool looking ones, and loads of software, or a plain old laptop with ridiculous stats. To put this more in perspective, youre basically paying $200 for the brand.
actually, you got wrong a lot of stuff, mac has very simple architecture, with fewer capabilities, windows (7) is build like a deep architecture... also the efiency, try to put dual nvidias into mac....................boom. but mac is excelent for office and mass production for people (most people) who dont need the capabilities of of PC. AND HOW THE HELL CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT COMPARING UPGRADABILITY, mann, admit it you are a mac supporter,!
This video was way before Windows 7. As far preferring a mac over a PC... I prefer my Windows 7 desktop... It runs much faster per $ over an comparable Mac Pro.
OSX and Windows might use the same kind of memory but OSX manages its memory differently and much more efficiently so you need less RAM. I don't think I would go as far as to say 4GB of RAM in a PC is the same as 1GB of RAM in a Mac but there is a big difference in how much RAM the OS actually uses. Anyways good video!
How hard is it to upgrade the graphics card on a laptop? I have a HP dv7-1451 nr, and it came with STI HD 3200. I want a better card so I can play fo3 and mwf2
Many laptops cannot have their graphics cards upgraded. Mac or PC. A few very high end laptops can, but those often only take replacement cards from the manufacturer and have proprietary connectors, and a few have standardized.
Without looking it up, I think that HP is built in,and your stuck with it.
I don't think you listened to the video. I state that Macs can be upgraded in some regards. Hard drives are universal no matter what you are running. Sound cards are a good example of something you don't see for macs as addin cards, but very common for PC's.
if your keeping all other hardware like hard drives, dvd drives, memory, gfx cards, sound cards and its possible to upgrade a mobo while keeping the same cpu. might want to do it to upgrade the chipset and get greater over clocking ability out of your cpu.
honestly i wouldnt mind having a mac however i wouldnt count then as equal just yet.
I like this guy
danielsepulveda2012 5 months ago
Pc or mac who care it just a Computer and they are both PC`s PC= Personal Computer
dennisjonkristensen 6 months ago
wait he sounds like kootra lol
PownSquad 6 months ago
the only differents between a pc and a mac is the mac has a picture of a apple half eaten and the OS
TheCraigID 7 months ago
I find most people hate macs because they're trendy. Like all trendy things, they're something that already exists getting a new logo then tripling the price tag and being marketed as prestigious and endorses by trendy figures. But thats not what brings the hate, what brings the hate are the people who buy these products justifying their purchase by belittling their practical counterparts.
"Anything less than the most expensive is cheap and inferior."
Sheep are what keep the world running.
UrvineSpiegel 7 months ago
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UrvineSpiegel 7 months ago
wtf, almost everything is true but if you want to replace the motherboard you can do that on a pc. Maybe you only want to change the motheroard, because there is a different type of cpu you can put in or it has other specifications you want, You dont have to change the whole computer. You can change everything in a pc and thats nothing special to do. There are so many different parts in the world and they always gte better, so you always want the best.
webgier 8 months ago
Humm disagree, There is no Mac on the market that has the specs my PC have
6 core @4ghz
16gb Gskill memory
Asus Plus Mother
2x4890 ATi cards
8T of Hards
Thermal 1000w supply
Its not about how many windows Pc can run, what he was showing you was the pure power, I game hard but do everything from Video edit to Auto Cad with my PC and I have some progams that will crash a Mac b/c of specs you need to run them, and Yes I use it to do my work. Nothing wrong with Mac's to each his own..
inacrysis 8 months ago
one thing a friend often mentions is that the mac uses EFI as opposed to BIOS, although I generally check facts on these things and the only cross-platform benchmark for audio work (which is what we do) I could find stated that Mac's EFI was in fact at a disadvantage, and also that recent (i7) mac pros actually handled multi-threading worse than a well built windows system. I'm aware windows systems can utilise EFI on the mainboard but just a general difference in hardware you might not know.
sonicwingnut 8 months ago
@BlueCircleScotland with what os for the Mac?
Dillorzaarour 8 months ago
@jbrige Umm, being a Windows user, I shouldn't support this, but if you hold Control on a mac, it right clicks. Or you can connect a 2 button mouse and it will work. I feel like a traitor now.
BlueCircleScotland 8 months ago
what makes a mac, a mac is the brand name. If I would slap the name "mac" on my pc form 98 and put osX on it, it would get sold like africans do babyes.
terorvlad 8 months ago
SO.. A... ALL RIGHT... AND THEN....
PEOPLE WHO SPEAK ENGLISH ARE STUPID
luketiger87 10 months ago
That's only an 80-100 dollar upgrade if you don't go cheap. Say you want something like SLI or Crossfire compatibility that your old mobo didn't have? That's a legitimate reason to upgrade only the motherboard of your computer, and that wouldn't be buying a new computer. Just giving you a good reason to "Upgrade" a motherboard. ^_^ Windows PCs have a lot of different ways they can be upgraded, while the MacPC is much more limited. They're both good machines in the field of work they're used for.
Blivia 10 months ago
@Blivia You're right. A Mac will only upgrade so far via expansion cards (~$1000 for upgrades). Then you've got to pay another $2000 for a new Mac when your old one is out of date. SO MUCH MONEY WASTED!
BlueCircleScotland 8 months ago
@BlueCircleScotland
You're right, and if you "Buy a new computer" as par his standards, lets assume new Motherboard, RAM, and CPU. That's going to be, at most 500 dollars, and that's for some of the higher of quality parts, assuming you don't skimp on processor, or Motherboard. (Say, a current i7 processor on the Sandy Bridge, and a motherboard at about 100 dollars, maybe even 150.) And the rest on 4 GB+ of RAM. That's still half the price of a PC with those specs.
Blivia 8 months ago
With a Mac hardware is much more limited, the Windows PC can use the VAST majority of graphics cards (All of them that I'm aware of.) While the Mac has a special lineup, same with a lot of hardware. When you buy hardware for a Mac PC, you have to look up specifically what will work with the OS, with WinPC you just have to make sure it fits in one of your ports.
Second of all, what if you bought a second motherboard that had extra features, and ports, but utilized your previous hardware?
Blivia 10 months ago
the fact is that they make good pc's and horrible pc's but they only make good macs. now good pc's and mac's are kinda the same.
Egillboy 11 months ago
I do agree that software-wise, the Macintosh and the PC have completely different areas of what they can and can't do.
HappyGuyxlii 1 year ago
@TheAkyatbahay
yes, they can. they have something similar called a terminal.
hostronic 1 year ago
@jbridge
im on a mac and i can right click. dont talk shit if you dont know what the hell youre talking about. youve probably never used a mac before. and if you dont like the mouse that comes with it you can always buy a new mouse. it's that simple. macs are amazing. go use your ignorance elsewhere.
hostronic 1 year ago
When a person says 'PC' they refer to a IBM computer as they have same/similar architecture.
Macs have some sort of extra hardware preventing OSX to be run on PC, which has obviously been hacked so you can run OSX on PC, and Apple only want their Mac computers to run OSX, I wouldn't mind OSX multibooting with Windows, but we all know that PCs are the dominant computers and rule, and are the best :3
elel70 1 year ago
@elel70 Win. Epic win.
BlueCircleScotland 8 months ago
i dont agree macs r far better than pc i just switched from a pc which was very fast and i mac i just got a couple hours ago is so much better
BrianTheBoss16 1 year ago
@BrianTheBoss16 So are you saying the mac is better than the pc?
DefconComputers 1 year ago
@DefconComputers Alright. RAM. 4+ GB is good. CPU. Update it if you want something good. Motherboards: get something good from Intel or some other place. Video cards: Nvidia or ATI.
Guess what? It costs less money than a Mac to home build stuff when you know what you're doing.
The reason people complain about the difference in performance is because you barely get to use the laptop or comp before they come out with a new one. People don't replace PC's as a whole as often, thus the complaints.
HappyGuyxlii 1 year ago
@HappyGuyxlii "The reason people complain about the difference in performance is because you barely get to use the laptop or comp before they come out with a new one"
This is the warped logic that so many people use. Mac is barely upgradeable, therefore if you buy it better last for 3 years atleast (In terms of performance)
By frequently updating their products, apple makes sure theirs are always up to date and you never buy an "outdated" machine that might underperform in 2 years.
Evulmeh 1 year ago
@HappyGuyxlii The problem comes when people say stuff like "A new one is released, therefore mine is old". It's that sort of logic that boggles the mind. Like if a new product is released yours is instantly less capable of doing what it was already doing...
If they didn't update frequently, you can feel like you own the "top mac". But if you buy it and after 1.5 years its too slow, you will feel ripped off. CAn't have ur cake and eat it too
Evulmeh 1 year ago
@DefconComputers are you sure pc and mac used the same memory?
prence1725 8 months ago
not true, you cant load windows on a mac
prence1725 8 months ago
@prence1725 Have you heard of Boot Camp?
BlueCircleScotland 8 months ago
@BrianTheBoss16 PC's have the capacity to be better than Macs. It depends on which Mac or PC you buy. Although the interface for PC will always be better, no matter what.
Xylogeist 8 months ago
@BrianTheBoss16 why should it be better? please explain. It cant be better, because it is built out of the same parts
webgier 6 months ago
Can't we just settle our differences. I mean all computers are just boxes that takes in some 1s and 0s and spit out some 1s and 0s when you get down to the basics and we all have our personal preference. I use a Mac as my main computer but I don't mind Linux, not so keen on XP but that comes down to the facts that it is ancient (Our school PCs have Win7 and that seems fine) so why can't we just stop arguing, if you like PC that's fine, if you like Mac that's fine, if you like Linux that's fine.
EmoticonMayhem 1 year ago
does apple allow unmanaged code? does it allow some things to be performed via code? in windows, i can associate my custom file extension via registry hive. I can manipulate third party software and oem gui via windows handles. does apple have something similar like win32 api?? I can edit real time memory. can i do it on a mac? just curious.
TheAkyatbahay 1 year ago
excuse me sir but a hacker does in some cases need to run a minimum of 500 to get into something just saying that thats pretty useful for hackers
MURD4INK 1 year ago
Also with replacing the motherboard, its not the same as getting a new computer.
Fucking stupid, you can get MoBos with the same plugs, and more memory slots.
Also, adding more USB ports to a Mac, you have to mod the case.
Retrograyed 1 year ago
Can you take your video card out of your mac, and replace it with one you got from best buy? Add standard ram? Switch hard drives? And if you think its DDR your ignorant, there are dozens of types of RAM, and while I'm correcting you, Macs are proprietary, the parts are mac only. My windows breaks, its 250 dollars for a new hard drive, I can get one for 10$, or tear one out of my own computer. I can buy a windows laptop for 200.
Retrograyed 1 year ago
do face it macs are better
Dillorzaarour 1 year ago
@Dillorzaarour no. My friend gave me a PowerMac G3. He was boasting about how it would "never crash", and "always boot". Then I got the machine and he seems to have changed his mind on the matter.
BlueCircleScotland 8 months ago
if macs and PC's are about the same, why buy a Mac when a PC is half the price?
sbtapeleg 1 year ago
@sbtapeleg Macs have OSX. Most people buy computers for the software, not the hardware.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar OSX is a Unix based OS. Linux is based on Unix. Linux is free. Why pay THAT much for OSX when it's not a few hundred dollars better than Linux?
sbtapeleg 1 year ago
@sbtapeleg Windows 7 is NT based. Why should we use that over basic old Windows NT? Or why should people have used Windows 98 over MS-DOS? Just because something is based on the same thing as something else doesn't mean it's the same. Apple put a hell of a lot of time, effort and money into developing OSX and have given a heap load of code back to the open source community in the process. OSX itself is quite cheap too, $129 for non upgrade license. Free isn't always better.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar There's a lot of guys putting a hell of a lot of time improving Linux as well. Sure, the appearance is not as polished and pretty as OSX, but it's more, if not just as, useful as OSX.
OSX is $129 PLUS the extra cost of getting overpriced Mac hardware (it's illegal to run OSX on anything else). Windows is $70 more, but in the long run, you're saving money and end up paying less for an all around better computer.
sbtapeleg 1 year ago
@sbtapeleg Linux is great, I don't dispute that. But the very thing that makes it so brilliant is also the thing holding it back. There's no unified accepted standard distro, it's all a fragmented mess. This is also why professional software developers often ignore it beyond the 3D scene where they gain the advantage of not having to license each box in a render farm to get stuff done. OSX is more useful as it has more commercial software available. Many NEED that to make a living.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar Many companies, like google, use linux for different needs. The thing that's brilliant about linux, which does NOT hold it back, is that there is no unified accepted standard distro. It's open source. People can change it however they wish to suit their needs. When you get down to it, many people NEED THAT to make a living
sbtapeleg 1 year ago 2
At the middle and entry end of the market there really is no difference between mac and pc. It's purely preference. But if you're an enthusiast, the super high end stuff is really only available on the PC side of things.
Disinf3ctant 1 year ago
Why open 100 programs at a time? It is not useful? Directly no. But the info it give is very very useful.
Why PC do overclocking? For the same reasons. We want to know if the computer endure. And, most of the time, we reach the conclusion it even not endure what normal use would requires.
Winters11 1 year ago
Need to upgrade, CPU, RAM, Video Card. Thats all I need.
neilb96 1 year ago
i think the big difference is the price. mac inflates their prices by making ppl think its superior, through over avdertising
fudman02 1 year ago
All macs (except the mac pro) use laptop memory, which means PC ram is faster than Mac ram, but yeah, it's not as much a difference as 4 gig = 1 gig.
flyliketails 1 year ago
@flyliketails The diference is I can play COD5 with this memory of shit of 1 gig (don't even whant to know what are the other hardware spec), while with my PC I only can with a 3gig.
Winters11 1 year ago
I can play 20 games at the same time. most of your info is wrong about upgrading macs, also you can upgrade laptops you just got to know how to soder parts on and off,thats about it.
Bob0p 1 year ago
@Bob0p Yes, because THAT won't void your beloved AppleCare warranty or anything...
BlueCircleScotland 8 months ago
sorry but you're talking shit
tweetosaurus 1 year ago 4
@tweetosaurus No, he is not
andrei13mo 1 year ago
@tweetosaurus Which parts and why?
DefconComputers 1 year ago
this is the most boring video in the world!
54lash 1 year ago
naw, you don't know weird.
some guy with the youtube name MrMacfan137 or something like that claimed that apple invented usb, was the first to integrate it to the mouse, and eventually invented bluetooth which apple integrated to the mouse.........truly and obviously a apple fanboy. xD
jeffreysyang 1 year ago
@jeffreysyang I think he was getting confused. Apple were the first to use USB on their consumer line of machines and the first to use USB for their keyboards and mice. They didn't invent it. Intel did methinks, or at least they helped with it's development. Apple invented FireWire, maybe he's confusing it with that? FireWire is always preferred where possible over USB (at least for me, it's just so much faster). I think they were the first to use BT for mice and so on, but didn't invent it.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar
obviously he is confused xD
jeffreysyang 1 year ago
if is the same thing why are macs so EXPEN$IVE? just saying
diexico 1 year ago
@diexico People tend to ignore everything beyond the CPU, RAM and GPU in systems and just compare those things to Macs. Macs come with a lot of things as standard that other machines don't, and the way things are implemented tends to be superior with PC's at the same price level. Backlit keyboard for example, motion sensor for hard drive parking if it falls, magnetic power cables, smooth lid hinges that require 1 hand, excellent battery life (that doesn't require a huge appendage on the back)...
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
You can upgrade the motherboard. If you need to run SLI or CrossFire you get just get a MOBO that supports SLI or CrossFire and use the rest of yuor part. We PC users have more MOBO option more video card options and more sound card options.
adobePC 1 year ago
I think people try to generalize things too much... why have just one os when you can have all three of the main ones???
Windows
Mac
Linux
and all the others too!
kyreks4 1 year ago
can u pls tell what mac is?
i have looking about it but.........
pawank90 1 year ago
@pawank90 Mac could mean alot of things, it all depends on context. It could be in reference to networking, or in this particular case it was in reference to a particular brand of computers produced by a company in the middle of CA that likes to tell people how they should use their computers at an exorbitant rate.
DefconComputers 1 year ago
@pawank90 u r an idiot
progamerX94 1 year ago
As much as I hate Macs and what used to be Apples....
I have to agree that PC & Mac are virtually the same now, especially since the switch to Intel. I'm one of those people that does run a crapload of engineering programs at once on my PC, and often have 3 or 4 instances of EVE Online running along with them - all on a homebuilt crapbox which is about four years old. Everything runs just fine, with the rare laggy hiccup. I'm not saying a Mac can't do this, but I'll stick with my PCs.
nateholio 1 year ago
Wi-Fi Upgrade when new standards come out???
applemacintosh10 1 year ago
@applemacintosh10 New wireless standards are released every few years such as wireless N. The same thing happens with the security standards as well on them causing issues sometimes with newer devices and older ones.
I have a Macbook that does'nt like WPA2 networks, However an older PC laptop with an addin wireless card works fine on them.
DefconComputers 1 year ago
Sure I agree with you that the upgradeability of the Mac is not on par with the PC. However, that being said, most computer users don't upgrade their computer at all. I've been doing IT for many years and I've found most computers never get upgraded. And the one's that do, it usually is the HD or RAM which is as easy to upgrade on both Mac's and PC's.
axsimulate 1 year ago
@axsimulate Macs are as easy (in fact, in my experience, easier) to upgrade the hardware in than pretty much every OEM PC of the same FORM FACTOR (that bit is important! lol) on the market. A MacBook Pro is easier to upgrade than nearly every Windows laptop i've ever been inside of, same with all-in-ones. The Mac Pro is a joy to work with when it comes to upgrades too. Again, form factor is the key point here. People compare a MBP to a sodding tower system, of course the tower is easier.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar
I'm not saying upgrading a Mac is hard by any stretch of the imagination. In many cases something such as swapping a HD in a Mac is much easier than on a PC. What I'm saying is that since the PC is more common, there are many more upgrade options available to them.
I still prefer a Mac over a PC, although I work on PCs every single day.
axsimulate 1 year ago
The only diffrence is graphics card but u can always upgrade your mac graphic card
ModernTechTips 1 year ago
actually macs usually lead the way for ram. They were at DDR3 before PC was. What i mean is that DDR3 is included stock more often than PC does.
And you get a new motherboard for better sound, but still with the same socket for your current processor. Also different motherboards can have more slots for ram (2 vs. 4), which means more memory. And one last thing, some motherboards do not support crossfire or sli, so you need to upgrade if youre goin that route.
good vid though.
ABrick2009 1 year ago
actually macs usually lead the way for ram. They were at DDR3 before PC was. What i mean is that DDR3 is included more often than PC does.
ABrick2009 1 year ago
AMD. Full Stop.
rumble291 1 year ago
you remind me of jim from the office.
mpm1900 1 year ago
the only real, relevant difference between macs and pcs is the price. You're paying more for a pretty box and an unremarkable brand.
Aslapacrosstheface 1 year ago
@Aslapacrosstheface
There are other differences... such as OSX comes standard with lots of great little programs I have had to purchase from third party on windows. Such as Time Machine (windows backup doesn't allow grabbing one file), Automator, php and apache built in, iOS development, fully html5 compliant browser, iLife, multi-touch track pad, and yes, a pretty box :)... without 12 multimedia buttons and switches. Windows can do most of it, but all those 3rd party programs.. bogs a system
collegekid491 1 year ago
@collegekid491 Why would you buy software?
Aslapacrosstheface 1 year ago
@Aslapacrosstheface
Own my own business. Rather pay a couple bucks then have it get out I have pirated software and get sued or lose business because of it.
collegekid491 1 year ago
@collegekid491 I suppose that makes sense. It would also explain why people use hackintoshes - they build what is essentially a pc and then merely install OSX.
You save money and you don't have to use windows, if you don't like it, for whatever reason..
Aslapacrosstheface 1 year ago
You have a good point on every aspect of differences of mac and PC is the same but the main big difference is that the OS X is more secure than windows OS mainly that it's based on unix system and isn't prone to viruses and spyware which is a big plus on my books. I really don't like the fact once you have a virus or spyware on windows not all virus and spyware programs remove the malware. Not to say that mac's OS isn't prone just less likely to be affected.
program363 1 year ago
mac.... pc...
Same shit, both have there own shit they can do that the other can't
Both will fuck up on you over time
mac cost to much tho...
I use pc
Aaron1046 1 year ago 12
You're completely right and you did some great work clarifying often misunderstoon mac facts. And macs ARE overall superior to PC's and if anyone disagrees or just thinks I'm a mac lover for no reason I can post a shitload of arguments confirming my statement.
h4x0y 1 year ago
My PC can
murdoch201 1 year ago
actually, most people that say PC's are better than macs have never used a mac in there life, thats why they make up dumb information like "macs cant open zip files" or "macs cant play any games" and other stuff like PC users are smarter than mac users. like jango1968 has probably never used a mac before or if he has it was very lightly. both mac and pc have about 50% of the market now a days. i really think the pc people says macs suck is apples fault with the Mac vs Pc ads though =p
Time123123 1 year ago
Macs are safer. Easy in the eye. Good looking. Easy to use. Smooth. Cheap. Do not break down unless you disrespect it in any way. NO VIRUS. No SPYWARE. And there is a big difference between Mac and pc
PC Destops come with this fucking great big block called the computer, and all that comes with the iMac is a screen (built in hard drive and drivers) mouse and keyboard
assassinstorm12 1 year ago
You can also run Mac OS on a standard Non-Apple PC
I have an HP/PC running Mac OS X .
maw88ify 2 years ago
It's all up to taste really, to me mac feels smoother and the MS office layout is much better, specially photoshop, but like I said, its all about taste. I just prefer mac cuz of the different ways to go about your app's
bg27garcia 2 years ago
I feel safer with macs because their antivirus built in hardware and also the fact that apps crash LESS often than a PC.
In fact, my Mac has never crashed even though I have shut it down suddenly and in the 'wrong' way... lol
TheChewyTunes 2 years ago
a motherboard on a pc is around £40-£100 and a new mac is £1200 upwards so pc is better, and why pay all that money to run ms office on a mac, if mac is so good how come you need ms office, yeah to do actual useful work
jango1968 2 years ago
@jango1968 Well both Mac and PC have to purchase MS office. Apple likes to push their office products now especially with the iPad announcement. Keynote, Pages, etc. feel like MS office clones to me.
I agree on the price, PC prices keep dropping and Mac prices stay the same.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
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CrusoMusic 1 year ago
@jango1968 probably because macs have much better screens and they have much beteter displays and wireless keyboard and mouse and they come with imovie, garageband, iphoto, stuff like that
joannesiano 1 year ago
@jango1968 I dont like how so many people use pc's. Also Mac aptops have generally had better battery life in a smaller and lighter weight notebook, such as the Powerbook g4 that I started out with. But I would love a little thinkpad too. I wish computer makers would all make there own OS.
applemacintosh10 1 year ago
@applemacintosh10 "I wish computer makers would all make there own OS." It would be interesting if that were true and make things bit more expensive at the same time, particularly in the commercial software area where compatibility issues might occur.
John997010735 1 year ago
Dude your retarted your telling all of youtube stuff i knew when i was 12
FiresaleInc 2 years ago
Not everyone knows this stuff.
forevercomputing 1 year ago
The difference is how they think and calculate.
gnialf 2 years ago
He looks like a 'mac' guy..
oh wait, he actually is.
UpYours,
YourNightmare
UpYoursNightmare 2 years ago
Please do check my videos and you will see that I do more PC videos than Mac. I also state in several videos I hate both camps respectfully.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
Can you recompile kernel or ANY system software on pc or mac? Linux ftw!
lin545 2 years ago
I ask this, why would I need to recompile the kernel? Linux users always tell me that, but I don't see the benefit to it.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
You get generic kernel, capable of everything. If you want a much more slick memory footprint, you can strip the kernel to your taste(not mentioning stripping the whole distro). You can shape the whole os as much as you want it to be - thats the benefit. Otherone is security, decentralization, portability, no DRM, no spyware(WGA), great security ootb, package management to name a few. System does stuff done without crashing, viruses, monthly subscriptions, warez, nag-screens, limitations.
lin545 2 years ago
It just sounds to me that the time and effort someone would spend doing that would offset the benefit. Not to say I would'nt mind a stripped down linux distro, however I would'nt spend my own time to make it, I would just download one that someone else made.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
so if there the same y does the mac cost more? Y pay 2000 for new mac when i can pay 300 for awsome motherboard?
I guess you shot your self in da foot lol..
who want to play games on a computer I fucking do..
Imagine what u can build with 2 grand..
quad core 1 terrabyte hdmi liquid cooler all the bells and whistles and then get a massive 26 in monitor.. its christmas baby. or u can build something decent and save your money.... with pc u got options and they do it all..
clos19851 2 years ago
I agree on this. The Mac's performance wise you pay more. The reasoning behind it is that Macs are supposed to have higher build and component quality, which I personally disagree on, and say they are about the same these days.
I hate both pc and mac equally, they can both do it better than they currently are.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
and far as buliding my own i pay people to build it for me like mill. other i have money to do that lol and in that case go buliding you a house or a car you can save all type of money but then again do you want to go throw that just to save a few dollar if so go at it me i got money to buy what i want.
08breezy08 2 years ago
i got both of them i got a mac pro 8core because i wanted to use some of there editing softw but pound for pound its the same just diffence operating system. do i want a black benz or a blue benz the blue have four extra core do i need that if so i will take the blue benz can you dig it lol
08breezy08 2 years ago
Not so. Pc's are cheaper "pound for pound". Furthermore PC's pwn macs in their components. A PC will be cheaper and more powerful always. They get the new components B4 macs do, i bet they have yet to run the i7. But even if they do, their already far behind. Early this year im going to build a 12 core, 24 process thread comp with USB 3.0 Sata 6.0Gbps, and 7 PCI-e slots, likely for less then a current mac setup, and with next gen components. mac-ists, try not to get too jealous. :)
Spliffer45 2 years ago
J/W on a mac rocking say the mac version of a GeForce 285 videocard, is Nvidia CUDA supported on macs?
Spliffer45 2 years ago
well mac is running i7, but the 8core mac pro 2.26 run the same as the i7 and when you look at the 2.93 its way faster then the i7 plus mac have something new i hear that coming out 02-01-2010 but that system you doing will b sweeeet cause now i have the 8 core mac pro 2.93 processor with 32g 8x4g that i got from owc for half the price mac wanted with 8tb hard drive and this processor my raw 4k video file nice
08breezy08 2 years ago
iMac have i7's
and USB 3.0? well its useless until it released with EVERYTHING
yeah you might have 3.0 ports, but if everything you plugging in is 2.0, your gettin 2.0 speeds
i agree you get more POWER for your money, but thats does make it faster, alot of the speed in down to the os!
my iMac i7 boots in 22seconds, im betting your pc is at least double that
Mikeint0sh 2 years ago
OK nice, about time eh? 2 years after their release lol. Neway its only the 2.8ghz one, U do know that PC's Have a 3.0, 3.2, and a 3.33ghz versions? So PC wins, sorry, u can wait 6 months for them, and buy a new mac lol.
Can u do up any SLI or Crossfire on ur Imac? lol NOPE! But lets look at the Mac Pro tower for that one. You have One PCI-e x16 slot, and 2 4x. Right now, video cards are going to be bottle necked by a 4x slot. So NO REAL Sli or crossfire even for the flagship mac.
Spliffer45 2 years ago
And The OS as bull shit to do with speed except for the SPEED OF THE OS. lol. What has the most to do with speed IS power and SPEED, which the PC will always trump Macs in. And noone gives a shit how fast some MAC can boot its OS vs a PC. I bet a PC would boot mac OS faster anyway, given that macs are year old PC's sold as "new".
Spliffer45 2 years ago
Furthermore with those SHITTY ass PCI-e slots say goodbye to building a "supercomputer" with gpu computing... Sure you could run 1 tesela card, but PC's will be running 3-4 all at 16x. Mac's fucking suck PERIOD.
Spliffer45 2 years ago
all i can say is i cant run my mac programs on my pc but i can run my pc programs on my mac and also it have not froze up yet like my pc do
08breezy08 2 years ago
Macs get the lovely spinning beach ball of death =)
DefconComputers 2 years ago
What holds back the Mac is that they tell you what you get, have, and will ever be able to do with the system.
In the PC world you just keep adding on or change out the limiting component. Be it the OS, MB, HD, ggraphics, processor, etc.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
Yeah building a gaming pc rig i'd want crossfire, but i dont want a gaming pc rig :)
if i wanted to game id game on a console, that way its far, everyones on a level playing field, you didnt win cause your rig have 4 1gb GPU's and their running 1 at 256mb.
and also have you ran any benchmarks on your pc? i suggest you post a video of you geekbench score, or post it here, and ill do the same and see whos got the faster system :)
Mikeint0sh 2 years ago
the fastest single socket CPU currently on the market it the 3.33Ghz Xeon processor, which you can have 2 of in the mac pro :)
and os cant have a speed, its letters and numbers that your computer reads and processes, yeah it can be optimised to run better with certain components, but ultimatly if your system is shit, then your os will run shit, if you system is good, your os will run good
Mikeint0sh 2 years ago
LOL and what is that going to cost U? rofl. Compared to the PC build equivalent, Ur retarded to do so. For a quad core MAC pro with best video card (which is a pos) is just under $3000USD. The PC equivalent, that supports larger quantity's of ram, and FASTER ram is less then half, and u could get cool stuff like USB 3.0. "The quad-core Mac Pro supports up to 16GB of 1066MHz DDR3" ROFL, basic PC boards support 24gb of tripple channel 1600+. Macs suck my balls!
Spliffer45 2 years ago
and anyway im not a gamer, and the vast majority of computer uses arent either, mac arent designed for gaming, therefore a pc that is DESIGNED for gaming should run games better, alot of people would be pissed if they didnt, so for the vast majority of the public (none gamers) the mac is perfect, it does EVERYTHING else faster the same price of a pc would.
but please benchmark you system using geekbench and see if you can beat mine :)
Mikeint0sh 2 years ago
PS. Pc's arent "designed" for games, they just dont have a deficiency. Also you mean Mac OS does not support games. The vast majority of the public 80% plus believe the mac is not for them, and use PC. And macs do everything the way PC's did a year ago, but have a gimp OS to boot. Oh and are 2x over priced.
Spliffer45 2 years ago
Furthermore as far as Video editing and image graphics go, PC will soon reign supreme with gpu processing. Which pc's are already can do. How is that xeon going to statd up against equivalent processor PC's with 3x-4x gpu processing going on?
Spliffer45 2 years ago
if you dont have the money to buy mac then dont b upset just go and buy you a pc lmao this mac system is only for the guys who can afford them not kids lmao
08breezy08 2 years ago
BHAHA, Why would anyone spend 6K on a mac when you can get NEWER components, that mac will be selling in 6months time. For less then half the price? Its like buying an 09 vehicle, when the 2010 version is half the price. Mac's are for the ignorant, not the poor.
Spliffer45 2 years ago
you tell this guy
08breezy08 2 years ago
Mac's only claim to fame was 2d graphics, and video. 2d graphics is going be running a lot better on a PC with 24Gb 1800mhz ram VS a Mac with 16gb of 1066mhz ram. They are now loosing video aswell. Nvidia CUDA gpu processing takes a 6hour Quad core extreme render down to under 40min on a single 295GTX video card. Now multiply that x4 in SLI mode, maybe even grab the new fermi architecture Nvidia is releasing this year. AND THAT MAKES A MAC A $3000 DOLLAR PAPER WEIGHT.
Spliffer45 2 years ago
one thing i agree with you on the price but to me mac is just more friendly user i mean like to remove a file u have to go and uninstall with pc but mac just drag to the trash and thats it ....but again if you cant afford a benz the go and get a focus lmao
08breezy08 2 years ago
lol Soo dumb. To delete a file on a PC you have to "uninstall" it? LOL? You really think that eh? Really exposing your ignorance right now. BTW its not buying a "cheap focus" instead of an "expensive benz" Its buying a benz for cost, instead of paying a dealer (mac) 2x the possible cost. THEY USE THE SAME COMPONENTS AS PC, ONLY OLDER STUFF. For 3 grand i can build a PC with 2 tesla gpu processing cards, and get the power of a small super computing cluster. How does a 3000 Mac compare to that?lol
Spliffer45 2 years ago
thats not true what new components pc use that mac dont use and i bet u that mac will have that i9 processor befor pc then i will have two i9 processor wow with my 12core and thats all i need anything else will b to much for me this is all i need to process my 5k video now im lmao
08breezy08 2 years ago
How about the i7, we had it first. how about all the video cards, we have em first. how about the fastest ram, we get that first. LOL Across the board PC gets stuff first. They just USB 3.0 and sata 6Gbps. MACS DONT HAVE THAT lol, the list goes on. 2nd i GUARANTEE PC's will have the i9 first, as we have had every previous intel processor first, always. Finally, even 2 i9's wouldn't compare to a single 295gtx video card as far as video encoding/transcoding. YOU LOOSE, lol go shoot a gun.
Spliffer45 2 years ago
ok pc lover i just went on dell and gateway page to see what r you telling and for my system i got the both of them cost more then i paid for my system so what r you talking about this is fax lol and i will go and shoot a gun tomarrow at the range lol
08breezy08 2 years ago
WELL THERES YOUR PROBLEM. YOUR A NOOB! CHECK tigerdirect or newegg you dolt! too funny! Its called not being a retard and building a PC.
Spliffer45 2 years ago
And when i say check those places. I dont mean pre-made systems. Smart people BUILD THEIR OWN.
Spliffer45 2 years ago
look guy im tring to not get into calling name not once have i call you out your name but if you want to keep calling me out my name thin i will at like an ass hold to on your page now you got some good points but dont mess it up by being ignorance
08breezy08 2 years ago
Another thing mac's apparently dont have yet pc's do. PUNCTUATION MARKS. lol. Ur acting like a button flailer. Is this what most mac users are like? And yes it is ignorance, you checked dell/gateway. Anyone computer savvy will laugh at that comment due to the extreme level of ignorance it portrays. (especially given the context of the argument lol)
Spliffer45 2 years ago
Think in context not of a computer tech person, but in context of the average, unaware home user. If the media keeps pushing to you that Mac is great and better than PC you don't know better. So they will compare a Mac to a Dell and see how the Mac is better. However anyone building computer's themselves know they can do it much cheaper.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
The majority of PC users are Billy bob user, who don't know how to build their computer. So they buy from Dell, HP, etc. So you need to compare between those and the standard macs
DefconComputers 2 years ago
I agree with this guy. I'm a pc butthey do have the same capabilities. My main point is price. The lowest end mac (mac mini) is $599 with no extra software. A $600 pc either will have the same capabilities, albeit less cool looking ones, and loads of software, or a plain old laptop with ridiculous stats. To put this more in perspective, youre basically paying $200 for the brand.
mistahowe 2 years ago
why would you want to upgrade a mac graphics card they are running nvidia thats really quite good
bthomies 2 years ago
Graphics cards get out dated fast. Think about wanting to play the latest games
DefconComputers 2 years ago
ddr2 is what most pc's have the macs have ddr3 and they even have ddr5 pc cant do that yet
bthomies 2 years ago
This was made back when ddr3 was just coming out, so neither had fully adopted it yet.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
actually, you got wrong a lot of stuff, mac has very simple architecture, with fewer capabilities, windows (7) is build like a deep architecture... also the efiency, try to put dual nvidias into mac....................boom. but mac is excelent for office and mass production for people (most people) who dont need the capabilities of of PC. AND HOW THE HELL CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT COMPARING UPGRADABILITY, mann, admit it you are a mac supporter,!
Harky88 2 years ago
This video was way before Windows 7. As far preferring a mac over a PC... I prefer my Windows 7 desktop... It runs much faster per $ over an comparable Mac Pro.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
Windows 7 is nuts :D haha
rcnkiller 2 years ago
yes its the same thing - but on the MAC the OS is the important, not the hardware / run on a pc ubuntu and u will have a mac
dm1085 2 years ago
OSX and Windows might use the same kind of memory but OSX manages its memory differently and much more efficiently so you need less RAM. I don't think I would go as far as to say 4GB of RAM in a PC is the same as 1GB of RAM in a Mac but there is a big difference in how much RAM the OS actually uses. Anyways good video!
caboose1289 2 years ago
Nice vid, and nice points.
-Random question-
How hard is it to upgrade the graphics card on a laptop? I have a HP dv7-1451 nr, and it came with STI HD 3200. I want a better card so I can play fo3 and mwf2
greenvines7 2 years ago
woops meant to say ATI.
greenvines7 2 years ago
Many laptops cannot have their graphics cards upgraded. Mac or PC. A few very high end laptops can, but those often only take replacement cards from the manufacturer and have proprietary connectors, and a few have standardized.
Without looking it up, I think that HP is built in,and your stuck with it.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
thanks. it sucks that i got mine right before Windows 7 and the HD 4550 came stock with it.
greenvines7 2 years ago
Impossible. Don't be so stupid.
mafiaservant 2 years ago
What is? Laptops with replaceable graphics cards? I've seen them before.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
First thing you should of done was put a link in the side bar to relate to what your saying, i have to clue what video your even talking about.
joshuaryung 2 years ago
@joshuaryung The original video this was a response to seems to have been taken down.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
I don't think you listened to the video. I state that Macs can be upgraded in some regards. Hard drives are universal no matter what you are running. Sound cards are a good example of something you don't see for macs as addin cards, but very common for PC's.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
If you can't debate something without resorting to name calling, do it somewhere else. I don't tollerate it.
DefconComputers 2 years ago
replacing a mobo is actually upgrading.
if your keeping all other hardware like hard drives, dvd drives, memory, gfx cards, sound cards and its possible to upgrade a mobo while keeping the same cpu. might want to do it to upgrade the chipset and get greater over clocking ability out of your cpu.
honestly i wouldnt mind having a mac however i wouldnt count then as equal just yet.
broooooka 2 years ago 2
wekk spoken.
shaolinlueb 2 years ago