What was too complicated for canon for early church leaders may not be too complicated for today. Steefen, author of The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy
The church, priests, pastors, imams, bishops, pope, etc. needs the people, without the people, the church could not exist, the people do not need the church, priests, etc. God is true, religion is nonsense.
Christianity is a complete LIE. To learn the real truth go to 4shared.com and search for the word Jmmanuel and look there for a file with 9,873 KB | 2009-12-08 | File name: The-Real-New-Testament-The-Talmud-of-Jmmanuel-Person-Known-Nowadays-as-Jesus-Forgery-in-Christianity.pdf
so in the end, the stories witch are all in the bible of today where in their beginning already used to dominate the thinking of people
and we all know(the ones who already thought about this like me, for an example), if you can control the way of thinking of the biggest part of society, you dominate it all
@13thmistral silly hateful people, don't you know that you can't kill an "idea"? Ideas change with the times, unlike religion which is literally carved in stone. Ideas NEVER die, unlike Manson...
yes they are the true christians but later killed by the catholic church. read the world history especially about the catholic church how many they killed.
@evelsteev flipping through the good book, and this might answer it. Jeremiah11:11 - 11:13. creepy isn't it?
Jeremiah 11:13 "For your gods have become as many as your cities, Oh Judah; and as many altars as the streets of Jersualem You people have placed for the shameful thing, altars to make sacrificial smoke to Ba'al.
So umm...you guys shouldn't be worshipping Ba'al. That's bad mmkay. Literally just flipping through letting the light guide me and this came up...weird isn't it?
im glad the romans were destroyed by barbarians (that had to be a punishment by god in those dark ages)..those assholes..but they still exist as a small nation today..yup..the pope and his people...just see how pefect they speak latin..and their catholics not christians
people should stop going to church! or the chursch should be reformed and change its hierarchy which is based on a lie and become more like a communnity within and for the community with no hierarchical structure and the vatican should turn over the power to the people because its whole fundament its a lie!
i cant understand why the center for Christianity now is ROME. this is funny. they butchered every christian during ancient days. hail to the pope. HAHA
@KayBeeEee1983 Indeed . Though born Catholic , I have been Atheist and now consider myself Unitarian with Neo-Gnostic and Neo-Pagan leanings . That is , I do believe in a higher power , maybe even more than one but don`t claim to know what that is or its will .
Wow, there will be no joining of the minds or even two, three human beings finding common ground will there be?? Instead there's more and more and more arguing, it's truly saddening and frustrating.
@N1k1mon "there will be no joining of the minds or even two, three human beings finding common ground will there be??"
No, and there shouldn't be. The Councils of Nicaea created "unity" and all that did was stop the progress of Christianity. The Catholic and Orthodox churches still believe that garbage.
JOHN 6:70 -71 JESUS ANSWERED THEM (DISCIPLES) HAVE I NOT CHOSEN YOU TWELVE AND ONE OF YOU IS A DEVIL
.HE (JESUS) SPAKE OF JUDAS ISCARIOT THE SON OF SIMON :FOR HE IT WAS THAT SHOULD BETRAY HIM BEING ONE OF THE TWELVE.
LUKE 22 : 21-22 BUT BEHOLD THE HAND OF HIM THAT BETRAYETH ME IS WITH ME ON THE TABLE.
AND TRULY THE SON OF MAN GOETH (GOES TO BE CRUCIFIED) AS IT WAS DETERMINED (BY JEHOVAH YHWH BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD BUT WOE(HORRIBLE FATE AND CURSED) IS THAT MAN (JUDAS) .
Holyspiritdove, please use your shift key. It's generally considered poor form to type in all capitals; it's the text equivalant of shouting. I always skip anything written in all capitals, including whatever you wrote.
the early fathers of the christ church and todays church where like any other cult to make money and get power... if it wasnt for rome and the fact one of these fanatics didnt convince emperor nobody would even now the word jesus
I just read Bart D. Ehrman's book about the lost gospel of Judas..you wonder why these books were not included in the bible when early Christians, who were experiencing something incredible and mysterious, used some of the gnostic gospels. Book of Thomas is good too!
@bhong32 u are forgetting the main message. The kingdom of god doesn't exist in the wood or stones of a church but rather within the heart of man. (NOT that people should stop going 2 church)
@Wolfsbane909 The kingdom exist on earth. It was established on earth. The kingdom is made up of the people- are there people in your mind (Dan 2:44, Acts 2, 1st Cor 12:13-23, Eph 4:11-12, Col 1:13)? Maybe, if so your delusional, but the kingdoms primary role is on earth (evangelism) thus they are on earth (Matthew 28:18-20,John 4:35-38,).
True it dont exist in wood or stones- but it exist not in the heart either- it exist by way of people.
@Smashmouthj read on about the part of the "spark of the divine". Some people are born with it, of course the pages are missing but it makes brief mention of it.
@Smashmouthj no you should seriously read it, also there's a REASON why certain parts of this gospel were destroyed. Read it, then talk, useless for me to have a book discussion with you about a book, that you've NEVER read.
@Wolfsbane909 Well thanks for assuming I have never read it but even if i didnt; I dont need it.
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
@Smashmouthj Ok, lemme pick a quote out of the bible from random to answer that question. AGAIN THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS, NOR IS THIS EVEN MY BOOK, JUST REPEATING VER BATIUM!!
JOB 6 - JOB 6:15-my own brothers have dealt treacherously, like a winter torrent, like the channel of winter torrents that keep passing away. They are dark from ice, upon them snow hides itself...."
For u personally I pull this quote out..ACTS 25:1-25:17
I think this is where the so called doctors of ancient history became biased they call the one those who do the torture Romans and the one being tortured are Christians. The question is are those Christians not Romans? are they not citizen of Rome? or are they Romans with christian faith?
The correct way I think is pagan Romans torture the Christian Romans that's the political correct way to describe it so as not to mislead people to think those Christians were not Romans where in fact they are.
Elaine is wrong on one point. SHes correct when she says the "gnostics" didnt call themselves by that term. BUt they did NOT call themselves christians either. They called themselves ESSENES and NAZOREANS. Both meaning "sons of the light" or "enlightened ones". Of course the western establishment edited the gnostic texts they supposedly discovered in 1945 and renamed many of the titles and characters and gave them christian names so people would dismiss these writings as extrabiblical
4 pillars of the earth- the 4 sons of Horus.
changingmyself 5 months ago
at my website you can see my installation inspired on the gospel of Judas, just type
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roza888 5 months ago
What was too complicated for canon for early church leaders may not be too complicated for today. Steefen, author of The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy
WBFbySteefen 6 months ago
The church, priests, pastors, imams, bishops, pope, etc. needs the people, without the people, the church could not exist, the people do not need the church, priests, etc. God is true, religion is nonsense.
maxbatch70 7 months ago 3
Christianity is a complete LIE. To learn the real truth go to 4shared.com and search for the word Jmmanuel and look there for a file with 9,873 KB | 2009-12-08 | File name: The-Real-New-Testament-The-Talmud-of-Jmmanuel-Person-Known-Nowadays-as-Jesus-Forgery-in-Christianity.pdf
Barreto7x7x7 7 months ago
so, how do they make the originals look so alike to the ones represented in simulations?
m0oNrRa 7 months ago
0:28 oh LOOK doesn't that look like meditation to you?! there ya go crazy people
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
so in the end, the stories witch are all in the bible of today where in their beginning already used to dominate the thinking of people
and we all know(the ones who already thought about this like me, for an example), if you can control the way of thinking of the biggest part of society, you dominate it all
charles manson also knows that
13thmistral 7 months ago
@13thmistral silly hateful people, don't you know that you can't kill an "idea"? Ideas change with the times, unlike religion which is literally carved in stone. Ideas NEVER die, unlike Manson...
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
@Wolfsbane909 yea, true funadation people, they never will relize how stupid they make themselves look like in the eyes of the smarter ones
13thmistral 7 months ago
@13thmistral Yep, i couldn't agree more.
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
yes they are the true christians but later killed by the catholic church. read the world history especially about the catholic church how many they killed.
sweetkim178 7 months ago
I'm glad those christians died. Less idiots on the earth.
evelsteev 8 months ago
@evelsteev flipping through the good book, and this might answer it. Jeremiah11:11 - 11:13. creepy isn't it?
Jeremiah 11:13 "For your gods have become as many as your cities, Oh Judah; and as many altars as the streets of Jersualem You people have placed for the shameful thing, altars to make sacrificial smoke to Ba'al.
So umm...you guys shouldn't be worshipping Ba'al. That's bad mmkay. Literally just flipping through letting the light guide me and this came up...weird isn't it?
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
@Wolfsbane909 OR it's just a coincidence. I don't believe in what the Bible says anyways.
evelsteev 7 months ago
@evelsteev why u even talking to me for >:(
I didn't write this book!
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
@Wolfsbane909 then don't read it. It's full of nonsense.
evelsteev 7 months ago
im glad the romans were destroyed by barbarians (that had to be a punishment by god in those dark ages)..those assholes..but they still exist as a small nation today..yup..the pope and his people...just see how pefect they speak latin..and their catholics not christians
carameloxx 9 months ago
people should stop going to church! or the chursch should be reformed and change its hierarchy which is based on a lie and become more like a communnity within and for the community with no hierarchical structure and the vatican should turn over the power to the people because its whole fundament its a lie!
Sophisima 10 months ago
itunes.apple.com/us/album/judas/id432534186?i=432534291
VOBINOLI73 10 months ago
thats rebecca black seat~
chesleycareystar 10 months ago
i cant understand why the center for Christianity now is ROME. this is funny. they butchered every christian during ancient days. hail to the pope. HAHA
tosweettokish 11 months ago
@tosweettokish agreeeeeeeeeeee!!! you read the world history huh? :)
sweetkim178 7 months ago
Gnosticism is true Christianity.
KayBeeEee1983 11 months ago 5
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@KayBeeEee1983 "Gnosticism is true Christianity."
I think your heart is in the right place. But "Gnosticism" was made up in the 18th century. Just as "Gnostics" were made up by the Church fathers.
agapeiron 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Indeed . Though born Catholic , I have been Atheist and now consider myself Unitarian with Neo-Gnostic and Neo-Pagan leanings . That is , I do believe in a higher power , maybe even more than one but don`t claim to know what that is or its will .
1993MovieMan 2 months ago
Jesus, tell me the truth!
elazar79 1 year ago
are gnostics sort of like protestants, when martin luther was like we dont need priests and confessions to talk to God and salvation?
69aznboi 1 year ago
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@69aznboi "are gnostics sort of like protestants, when martin luther was like we dont need priests and confessions to talk to God and salvation?"
Yes, kind of. Gnostics also believed that the God of the Old Testament was evil.
KayBeeEee1983 11 months ago
LOL!!! JUDAS IS A HOMOSEXUAL!!!
oldinfant23 1 year ago
Wow, there will be no joining of the minds or even two, three human beings finding common ground will there be?? Instead there's more and more and more arguing, it's truly saddening and frustrating.
N1k1mon 1 year ago
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@N1k1mon "there will be no joining of the minds or even two, three human beings finding common ground will there be??"
No, and there shouldn't be. The Councils of Nicaea created "unity" and all that did was stop the progress of Christianity. The Catholic and Orthodox churches still believe that garbage.
KayBeeEee1983 11 months ago
JOHN 6:70 -71 JESUS ANSWERED THEM (DISCIPLES) HAVE I NOT CHOSEN YOU TWELVE AND ONE OF YOU IS A DEVIL
.HE (JESUS) SPAKE OF JUDAS ISCARIOT THE SON OF SIMON :FOR HE IT WAS THAT SHOULD BETRAY HIM BEING ONE OF THE TWELVE.
LUKE 22 : 21-22 BUT BEHOLD THE HAND OF HIM THAT BETRAYETH ME IS WITH ME ON THE TABLE.
AND TRULY THE SON OF MAN GOETH (GOES TO BE CRUCIFIED) AS IT WAS DETERMINED (BY JEHOVAH YHWH BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD BUT WOE(HORRIBLE FATE AND CURSED) IS THAT MAN (JUDAS) .
holyspiritdove 1 year ago
Holyspiritdove, please use your shift key. It's generally considered poor form to type in all capitals; it's the text equivalant of shouting. I always skip anything written in all capitals, including whatever you wrote.
AppleSouffle 1 year ago
THIS IS A FOOLISH AND BLIND VIEW OF THE GOSPELS IN THE TRUE BIBLE.
JOHN 13:28>>> NOW NO MAN (DISCIPLES) AT THE TABLE (LAST SUPPER) KNEW FOR WHAT INTENT (PURPOSE ) HE (JESUS) SPOKE THIS VERSE 27 UNTO JUDAS ISCARIOT.
JOHN 13:27 AND AFTER THE SOP (SUPPER) SATAN OR SHAITHAN ENTERED INTO HIM (JUDAS ISCARIOT) THEN JESUS SAID UNTO HIM THAT THOU DOEST DO QUICKLY.
VERSE 11 FOR JESUS KNEW WHO SHOULD BETRAY HIM THEREFORE HE SAID UNTO THE DISCIPLES YE ARE NOT ALL CLEAN.(JESUS CALLS JUDAS UNCLEAN FILTHY.
holyspiritdove 1 year ago
the early fathers of the christ church and todays church where like any other cult to make money and get power... if it wasnt for rome and the fact one of these fanatics didnt convince emperor nobody would even now the word jesus
badsign1980 1 year ago
romans are killing christians? roman catholics are not christians,there pagan.
jom2ar 1 year ago
I just read Bart D. Ehrman's book about the lost gospel of Judas..you wonder why these books were not included in the bible when early Christians, who were experiencing something incredible and mysterious, used some of the gnostic gospels. Book of Thomas is good too!
openedeyes75 1 year ago
i believe that Judas is a TRAITOR. i dont believe to TRAITORS.If You belive them..there must be a problem in your head.
bhong32 1 year ago
@bhong32 u are forgetting the main message. The kingdom of god doesn't exist in the wood or stones of a church but rather within the heart of man. (NOT that people should stop going 2 church)
"Ladies & gentlemen JESUS has left the building!"
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago 10
@Wolfsbane909 The kingdom exist on earth. It was established on earth. The kingdom is made up of the people- are there people in your mind (Dan 2:44, Acts 2, 1st Cor 12:13-23, Eph 4:11-12, Col 1:13)? Maybe, if so your delusional, but the kingdoms primary role is on earth (evangelism) thus they are on earth (Matthew 28:18-20,John 4:35-38,).
True it dont exist in wood or stones- but it exist not in the heart either- it exist by way of people.
Smashmouthj 1 year ago
@Smashmouthj read on about the part of the "spark of the divine". Some people are born with it, of course the pages are missing but it makes brief mention of it.
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
@Wolfsbane909 ok. However can we agree that scripturally the kingdom was on earth and ALL GNOSITCS WERE WRONG.
Smashmouthj 1 year ago
@Smashmouthj Who knows!!!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@Smashmouthj no you should seriously read it, also there's a REASON why certain parts of this gospel were destroyed. Read it, then talk, useless for me to have a book discussion with you about a book, that you've NEVER read.
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
@Wolfsbane909 Well thanks for assuming I have never read it but even if i didnt; I dont need it.
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Smashmouthj 7 months ago
@Smashmouthj Isaiah 10:1 - 10:11
again these are NOT my words, I DID NOT write this book.
Isaiah 10:5 "aha, the As.syr'ian, the rod of my anger, and the stick that is in their hand for my enunciation...."
This sounds pretty sirius
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
@Smashmouthj Ok, lemme pick a quote out of the bible from random to answer that question. AGAIN THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS, NOR IS THIS EVEN MY BOOK, JUST REPEATING VER BATIUM!!
JOB 6 - JOB 6:15-my own brothers have dealt treacherously, like a winter torrent, like the channel of winter torrents that keep passing away. They are dark from ice, upon them snow hides itself...."
For u personally I pull this quote out..ACTS 25:1-25:17
ACTS 25:9 "Do u wish to go up to Jerusalem.."?
-New testament..
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
@Wolfsbane909 well put!
doNOTvoteCAMPAIGN 1 year ago
@Wolfsbane909 the kingdom is within you brother
stephanelauzon15 1 year ago
Judas is symbolic of jesus's lower nature.You can't take any scripture's literal.Ancients were only symbolic with words.
kmichael212 1 year ago
I think this is where the so called doctors of ancient history became biased they call the one those who do the torture Romans and the one being tortured are Christians. The question is are those Christians not Romans? are they not citizen of Rome? or are they Romans with christian faith?
The correct way I think is pagan Romans torture the Christian Romans that's the political correct way to describe it so as not to mislead people to think those Christians were not Romans where in fact they are.
vladimirstanislav 2 years ago
Elaine is wrong on one point. SHes correct when she says the "gnostics" didnt call themselves by that term. BUt they did NOT call themselves christians either. They called themselves ESSENES and NAZOREANS. Both meaning "sons of the light" or "enlightened ones". Of course the western establishment edited the gnostic texts they supposedly discovered in 1945 and renamed many of the titles and characters and gave them christian names so people would dismiss these writings as extrabiblical
Godgenes 2 years ago
@Godgenes
You're correct. Also, nobody of the ancient early christians,
classified themselves as Christians. This was the time when it
was pure, taught in it's rawest truth, without doctrine or tradition.
& I'm not so sure they changed any names brother, if so, it was
nothing significant. peace.
MarkToTheSky 1 year ago