Bob Marley's Buffalo Soldier Copies the Banana Splits!

[1GodOnlyOne]

To learn more about the specific logical fallacy you commit by assuming that Marley copied Banana Splits simply because Banana Splits predates Buffalo Soldier, please Google "post hoc ergo propter hoc:"

[1GodOnlyOne]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states, "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one." It is often shortened to simply post hoc and is also sometimes referred to as false cause, coincidental correlation, or correlation not causation.

[1GodOnlyOne]

Post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears to be integral to causality. The fallacy lies in coming to a conclusion based solely on the order of events, rather than taking into account other factors that might rule out the connection.

[theZodiacDigital]

@1GodOnlyOne oh my god. you are taking this video about the freaking banana splits WAY too seriously. it's more of a "hey isn't that funny?" thing than a OH MY GOD WHAT A PLAGIARIST. i didn't read 90% of what you wrote, i'm sorry i just don't care enough. something about sea shanties. ok. cool. sorry, i really just don't care.

[1GodOnlyOne]

@theZodiacDigital You care enough to reply.

[theZodiacDigital]

@1GodOnlyOne yea... and? that shows you exactly how little i care. i care enough to say i dont care because i dont want to get 50 other guys coming in here sextuple posting about post hoc fallacies. i would argue, but it's frankly a bit ridiculous to even bring up. go to some political or religious video to have that pointless fight, i'm not inclined. i really am not. this is the last response, sorry. i just really don't care enough to say anything beyond "i dont care."

[1GodOnlyOne]

@theZodiacDigital You care enough to reply -- twice.

[1GodOnlyOne]

In addition, Marley's "One Love" melody, specifically heard in the lyrics "One love, one heart, let's get together and feel alright," are very similar to the Buffalo Soldier melody heard in the lyrics "wi yo yo, wi yo yo yo, wi yo yo, yo yo yo yo yo."

Note that Marley first recorded "One Love" in 1965, which predates the recording of the Banana Splits song by three years.

Maybe Banana Splits copied Marley.

[1GodOnlyOne]

Yet another similar melody is heard in "Take Me Out to the Ball Game," from 1908, also borrowed from sea shanties.

[1GodOnlyOne]

Specific references:

"Sea Shanties: Haul Away For Rosie "

"George London - Blow the man down - sea shanty!"

"Phil Beer: "Blow, Boys, Blow!" - A Sea Shanty"

Please listen to the above three songs here on Youtube. All of them precede Banana Splits in history by a wide margin, and all three are very similar to Buffalo Soldier.

Obviously, Bob copied these traditional melodies, and Banana Splits also copied these traditional melodies (or similar melodies, such as those in Nyabinghi sessions).

[1GodOnlyOne]

The melody is traditional, and both artists used the same traditional melody. There is no evidence that Bob Marley copied the Banana Splits, or that he ever even heard their song.

[theZodiacDigital]

@1GodOnlyOne traditional? what is the source (area or tribe or whatever? estimated date?) what is it's title? any information?

[1GodOnlyOne]

@theZodiacDigital A lot of Bob Marley's rhythms are traditional Jamaican rhythms, from Nyabhingi music. Some of it is African, some of it is native Jamaican, and some of it is from India.

[theZodiacDigital]

@1GodOnlyOne ok... unless you can tell me what the melody is called, or how the hell you know it's a traditional melody... i can't really believe you. i would have to check it out for myself and if you can't even tell me how to find it? i mean how do you even know? what's your source? i'm not trying to be rude, i just cant believe you without good information.

[1GodOnlyOne]

@theZodiacDigital Unless you can tell me why I should care if you believe me or not, I don't give a shit.

[theZodiacDigital]

@1GodOnlyOne haha, dude youre the one who left a comment on my video. i dont care if you care. why do people have to take everything so personally? if you're so into god that you put his name in your username, why not be courteous? oh well.

[1GodOnlyOne]

@theZodiacDigital Are you gonna cry now? lol

[1GodOnlyOne]

Just kidding.

Two very similar traditional Caribbean rhythms are found in Bob Marley's song "Jump Nyabinghi," which clearly comes from traditional "Nyabinghi" roots (Bob definitely participated in many Nyabinghi sessions in his native Jamaica -- please listen to the song), and "Fifteen men on a dead man's chest, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum," sung since way before the 1960's by scores of Caribbean pirates.

In any case, there is no evidence that Bob ever heard Banana Splits.

[1GodOnlyOne]

PS -- Although the lyrics of "Fifteen men" are fictional, the melody in which it is sung is definitely taken from a traditional West Indian sea shanty. I used these lyrics in my post, however, because they are the most familiar lyrics to most people, and are only used to bring the melody to mind. The lyrics are not in dispute anyway.

Both Banana Splits and Buffalo Soldier melodies come from traditional West Indian sea shanties and/or from traditional West Indian Nyabinghi melodies.

[1GodOnlyOne]

PPS -- Traditional Nyabinghi rhythms have been traced back as far in history as the 1700's, and traditional West Indian sea shanties have been traced back as far as the 1840's, both of which obviously precede the 1960's.

Just because Banana Splits precedes Buffalo soldier in history and has a similar rhythm does not prove, by any means, that Bob copied Banana Splits -- to say so is a logical fallacy, especially given the evidence of prior melodies that are similar to both songs.

[1GodOnlyOne]

*** Listen to "Blow the Man Down" to hear an authentic traditional sea shanty melody with traditional lyrics. Please note the striking similarity between this melody and Marley's Buffalo Soldier, and please note that "Blow the Man Down" is traced to a time period far prior to both Banana Splits and Buffalo Soldier.

There is no evidence that Marley copied Banana Splits, or that he ever even heard it.

There is, however, ample evidence of similar melodies that precede both songs.

[alyssamor2u]

Wow

[MrCraigpatton]

Yes bob marley listened to the banana splits

[biwood2003]

Thank you. I knew I herd that song before!!

[chemicalx420]

Bannana Spliffs!

[PtolemyJones]

There can be no doubt... Bob Marley used to be blazing to the Banana Splits...

[HickoryViolet]

Er, it's a melody, not a beat........

And it's called composing, not inventing.

Sorry to be pedantic

[tweaker1bms]

Coincidence! I mean seriously how hard is it to invent that beat on your own? It's not that damn complex :P

[nattynativekid17]

This probably isn't a coincidence. listen to Bob's song "Rastaman Chant" and compare it to the children's nursery rhyme "London Bridge is Falling Down". The similarity is unmistakable.

[BarclayAvenue]

It's catchy..do you blame Bob? : D

Bob may not have realized where he got it. Think about it, millions of other people have heard both songs and not made the connection.

This is proof of my hypothesis that the Banana Splits are a legendary Musical genius.

[jackwilshiresfakeid]

It's a definite rip off - although in Marley's defence he had been dead for at least 2 years when Buffalo Soldier was released. It probably weren't meant to see the light of day

[YouDummy]

As a child of the 70s, every time I hear Buffalo Soldiers, I always hear the Banana Splits theme.

[abubaseet]

The last part is the best. I can picture them all on the same stage dancing together to the tune!

[romanobritish]

Same melody first time I herd it that is what I was thinking.

[Mikekwie]

Shut up bob marley was a legend and nobody watches the banna splits

[tHEEBiZNESZ]

I know its not nice to say retarded but that was pretty retarded

[lostinrolls]

Fake.

[JamalDOA]

i think its true

[KingPiccoloDaimao]

0:40 I could listen that on a loop for a while

[KingPiccoloDaimao]

I love 0:40 I could listen to that on a loop

[KingPiccoloDaimao]

I love 0:40 I could listen to that on a loop

[only1tonyfair]

Mark Barkan, the writer of the Banana Splits TV Show theme, actually won his lawsuit against Bob Marley.

[Isaacchaparo810]

Do you know how many fuckin songs hav that exact same sound scheme??

Plus they wouldn air that show in jamaica.

[madcapromanian]

@Isaacchaparo810 Hmmm....LSD inspired show verses Marijawana inspired singer. Yeah, I can see the complications there! LOL!

[JamalDOA]

@Isaacchaparo810 Name some others.

[DubstructorMusic]

@Isaacchaparo810 But Bob lived in London, England in the 70's after the attempted assassination.

Where do you think "Exodus" came from?

[RealPantin]

hahaha

[craigis123]

hmmmm interesting