Albert Ayler - Ghosts

[kctvirginia]

I use the word "composition" because I don't consider this "free jazz." It is extremely controlled and could be transcribed. In fact, Ayler recorded "Ghosts" several times. Each recording is essentially identical (meaning that he and Peacock/Murray (on this copy) were not improvising. It's really more of a fore-runner to Anthony Braxton. So Ayler is probably correctly categorized as an avant garde musician, which is of course a contradiction in terms, in that he defies categorization.

[swallowmytongue]

@kctvirginia shut the fuck up you stupid hipster bitch :P. I feel the power of the music, so i'm not gonna overthink it like your bitch ass, haha. Excuse my francais.

[lexo30]

@swallowmytongue Is it because of your very small penis that you insult complete strangers on the internet who haven't offended you in any way? Or is it because of your stupidity? Or both?

[lexo30]

@kctvirginia Any music can be transcribed, freely improvised or not, if the transcriber is skilled enough. And each recording of 'Ghosts' is not 'essentially identical'; to name the most obvious difference between the two versions on Spiritual Unity, one of them is nearly twice as long as the other. Besides the completely different improvisations, Ayler plays the head slightly differently in each version. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[kctvirginia]

This is one of my all-time favorite jazz compositions. As great as Ayler is on this cut, Sonny Murray's drums really drive the train.

[AlanColeslaw]

petition to get this page to redirect to like a kind of blue video for anyone who tries to make a comment using the word 'pretentious'

[discoAL]

who listens to this sh*t ? man i jus dont get it. i mean why sound like you cant play. lifes too short for self-indulgent bullsh*t.

[jazzzamars]

@discoAL Yes man, and the contemporary art is like you can't paint.

[lexo30]

@discoAL It's also too short for posting pointless dickish comments about music you don't appreciate.

[Nail33]

Wow

[nyshoefly]

@Nail33 youre an idiot



[ALTERED13TH]

@coolmankeoma Exactly what in your mind defines "intellectual" music? Music is actually quite culturally determined so it is rather meaningless to talk about "intellectual" music.

[JosephDuvernay]

A MOMENT

N'est pas desole!

I love this mad man too!

The shift is telling to who

slips defenses, a tres deficile of action

on the modern stage set

by those of old that on the backs of eager went.

[wefins]

almighty good. pretentious my buttock

[XingadorChatterb0x]

Parece que ele está peidando

[zeob72]

...aos 2:45 a porta podia bater...

[MabSHELLY]

if your gonna play an instrument, play it in a way like its never been played before.

Yea Albert Ayler.

[srs32896]

@coolmankeoma Well, you have a point that people will respond stupidly when you question their interests on the comments section of a video. I guess my point was that it was typical of a free jazz listener to respond in the way that they did.

[srs32896]

@coolmankeoma When did I say it wasn't music?

[polar123454321ralop]

HAUNTING

[blackandtanful]

ﾏｲﾙｽには新鋭ﾄﾆｰ･ｳｨﾘｱﾑｽが､ｱﾙﾊﾞｰﾄ･ｱｲﾗ­ｰには核分子ｻﾆｰ･ﾏﾚｲがいた!～ｺﾞｰｽﾄにおける真の黒­人伝統の咆哮 #jazzm

[Hardtack444]

what the fuck is going on?

[AdamFuckinMason]

eat guavas while you sit/smoke on a tulip stool

[srs32896]

I already said that that was when I first realized how conceited these people were. I wasn't trolling then. Second you're acting a lttle conceited again telling me not to do something. Third I wanted to see why they believed it was music and not sway them with my belief. One person gave me a beautiful response which I wish I could share now but do no have access to a real

Computer. I'll post it later.

[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 Also I didn't specify a definition because thn they'd have to fit their opinion into a definition like you said. I expected original opinions but most people were so pretentious that all but one actually responded.

[helluvagun]

Bean is the father and newk the son!

[jay1beaux]

Very relaxing

[masteryodacho]

Coltrane is the Father, Pharoh Sanders is the Son, Ayler is the Holy Ghost!

[srs32896]

noise as far as I see

[TallFastLoud]

@srs32896 in the presence of music made by one with the third eye, the one eyed man is blind

[srs32896]

@TallFastLoud Okay, maybe I prefer more melodious music, but that doesn't mean that I'm "blind" or not as "deep" as you. Composers like Claude Debussy and Franz Liszt have composed much deeper music with melody. You must be some teen who thinks he/she is deep.

[kejmNoDJ]

Excellent 0:12 -0:46 Genial 0:12 - 0:23

[alecoltrane]

Excelente, genial. Un genio creador.

[cholocharile]

I would consider him to be avant-garde jazz, because free jazz is terrible and Ayler isn't.

[JoshRosenblumMusic]

I want this to play at my funeral.

[earthchild100]

incredible....

[jasonpfinch]

surprisingly listenable for the first minute and a quarter

[barrybrien82]

haha

[zhokandawe]

i note that several of the recent comments have come from folks who just don't get it. ayler's music had a visceral appeal unique among the "free jazz" players of his era. if he played this at a southern black church sun. picnic, they'd be cryin' "AMEN".

[profset5556]

This isn't music. This is crap.

[Megajosh2]

@HipHopkins09 Some of his fusion did delve into free jazz territory.

[oegaziz43]

I wish Albert were alive today.

[greatgretschsound29]

is this with peacock and murray?

[Craiglend]

@greatgretschsound29 Yes it is.

[Craiglend]

@HipHopkins09 Miles experimented with free bop before he turned more towards fusion.

[EMCEMITCH]

trane later in life learned what albert was trying to achieve and utilized some of his concept into some of his last works especially with rashied ali in interstellar space-i.e.venus,saturn

[2014emerson]

I actually like this more than Miles Davis' free jazz.

[MMM88X]

One of the most best free-Jazz musicians to ever exist.

[Slauterizm]

BRO

[michaellucianojr]

When I hear this my brain knows better than to compartmentalize. It just passes it to my emotions and tells them to try to keep up.

[laalalala1]

SO good. The bass player is great too.

[DYNODRUM]

How about Him and Dolphy doin a Duo......

[johncohen84]

Scintillating.

[Jabbah757]

Alber Ayler give me chills

[TheGaetano62]

the real free jazz

[marlondavis1000]

a mix between sonny rollins,coltrane and ornette coleman...

[thecosmicrain]

as if..

[poxboy23]

One of the most phenomenal sax blowers ever.

[srs32896]

@poxboy23 Hah yeah, he's just blows into the sax, he doesn't play

[numberninedoctor]

@srs32896 Don't bother talking about things you can't understand.

[srs32896]

@numberninedoctor mmmm so it's true. Everyone who listens to free jazz is so pretentious. EVERYONE. If you don't like it, you're automatically "not intelligent enough." Okay then. Maybe I'm missing something, but I doubt it.

[acrobaticcyclops]

@srs32896 So you're saying that a bunch of pretentious musicians who didn't know what they were doing just started recording a bunch of bullshit, meaningless music ? A whole movement of people fooling themselves? Just because a sound is not to your taste, does not mean that it's bullshit. Are you serious ? How could you think that ?

[srs32896]

@acrobaticcyclops No, I just noticed that anyone who doesn't like free jazz isn't intelligent. In any case, I don't like this particular song. I like his other stuff. I was just trolling, confirming my theory, and then to add to that someone caught my bait.

[KingCrimson776]

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[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 You linked me to 4chan is that supposed to mean anything. I didn't get a picture or anything.

[KingCrimson776]

@srs32896 Just look up "what trolls want you to believe" on google images.

[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 Ehh, everyone says that. Anyways, I wasn't trolling as much I was trying to confrim the level of pretentiousness of Alber Ayler listeners.

[KingCrimson776]

@srs32896 The only reason you would try to confirm that is if you were assuming it in the first place. The fact that you were assuming it makes you far more pretentious than anyone else here. Most people here are just digging the music.

[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 No, I asked someone on a noise rock video how it's considered music, they said, "Your brain isn't developed enough." That's when I realized there are a lot of pretentious music fans out there. I also know a lot of people who are quite pretentious about their music. So that's why i decided to give free jazz a try, and free jazz had some very pretentious people. Most people are digging the music, but there are more pretentious people here than a ramones video.

[KingCrimson776]

@srs32896 "How it's considered music"? You implied it's not music, which is infinitely more pretentious than anything they could've said, so it's understandable that they would react in a hostile manner (not that I would have done such). And sure, certain music has more "pretentious" or elitist fans than other types. That is people's fault, not the music. So just listen to the music instead of trying to lure out "pretentious" responses for some misguided (and "pretentious") purpose.

[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 Obviously you have no idea what pretentious means (and maybe I am getting a bit pretentious now.) I just asked him what makes this music. Mkay, and to be honest, sometimes I like trolling noise rock videos just to garner pretentious responses, and no, I do no act like the guy in the comic.

[KingCrimson776]

@srs32896 That was pretentious, in that you were trying to impose your idea of music over theirs.

If you were indeed trying to garner a response, then what I said initially about you assuming those listeners to be pretentious was true, which again makes you pretentious. You've been cornered, reinvent yourself for the next time you take a swing at the internets.

[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 Really? Have I been cornered?

I ASKED how is this music, I didn't state that it isn't music. And assuming someone is pretentious is not pretentious. I am not trying to act important. You on the other hand, are by telling me to reinvent myself claiming that you, because you are so intelligent and great, have cornered me.

Before calling ME pretentious again, please pin point a certain location in any of my comments where I have assumed importance or superiority, like I did to you

[KingCrimson776]

@srs32896 Think about that question of yours; “how is this music”? That assumes it needs some sort of justification for being called music. You start from the view that people should be expected to try and give you an explanation that will make what they are listening fit YOUR definition of music, which you didn’t even specify to them.

You also assumed a group was pretentious without knowing them, which is assuming you have the knowledge to judge people you know nothing about.

[KingCrimson776]

@srs32896 On top of that, you assume I think I'm "so intelligent and great". No, I've cornered you because you are wrong, no other reason. Telling someone who you have clearly shown to be full of shit to reinvent their online persona is not pretentious, it's helpful.

[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 Hey, I'm just interpreting what I have seen. What I've seen is you assuming I was in a corner. I concluded that you must think you are smarter than me to think that. I never assumed I was on top of you in in any way throughout the argument.

While (dont shit on me for assuming anything) you see this argument as you enlightening a misguided fellow, I see it more as a rather hostile exchange of opinions and thus I state what I see to be true and do not attempt to change your beliefs

[KingCrimson776]

@srs32896 You haven't responded to the part about you asking "how is this music". See my comment before the one you just responded to.

[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 Yeah I did, here's what I wrote...I ASKED how is this music, I didn't state that it isn't music. And I was attempting to garner a response because sometimes I like trolling. Actually, the only reason I troll is to find arguments. Once I find someone like you who I can have a good one with, I get serious. I like arguing and debating. Doesn't make me "pretentious."

[KingCrimson776]

--> "Think about that question of yours; “how is this music”? That assumes it needs some sort of justification for being called music. You start from the view that people should be expected to try and give you an explanation that will make what they are listening fit YOUR definition of music, which you didn’t even specify to them.

You also assumed a group was pretentious without knowing them, which is assuming you have the knowledge to judge people you know nothing about."

[srs32896]

@KingCrimson776 NO, that was when I found out they were pretentious, after one of them responded.

It it did need some justification. I simply didn't understand how it fit the definition. It was pure noise. Search merzbow and you'll see what I mean.

Luckily one youtuber cam along and defended his view in a way that made sense to me, and suggested "less noisy" artists I might like. I responded graciously to him. No so much to the people who simply stated, "Your brain isn't developed enough."

[KingCrimson776]

@srs32896 I meant to say, if you were trolling to get that expected response, then you assumed they were pretentious to begin with.

But since apparently it was an honest question, let's roll with that. "the definition"? What definition? Again, you didn't specify one. Oh, you didn't specify so they could give their own. Then why ask "how it's music" if you are letting them have their own definition? Whether that is pretentious or just really stupid doesn't matter. Try and avoid that from here on

[Craiglend]

@srs32896 The thing I think your missing is the use of everyone, I don't think people who say they don't like free jazz to be not intelligent. I think they are mostly people who happen to listen to different music, and because of that never got a chance to look or listen enough to free jazz because they are focused on other music that they have grown more of a passion towards because of Habits.

[srs32896]

@Craiglend I over exaggerated with my use of everyone, but there are quite a few people who think like that

[bigwhitesugar]

Gary Peacock rules

[TheGaetano62]

is gary peacock?

[soliver13]

Obvious Sonny Rollins influence in the melody, and then......Kaboom!!

[kkkaldav]

Let the Spirit move you through the path of life.

Dont forget the Holy Ghost.

[funnyminky]

loved the review in wrong note magazine... a farm yard symphony in the key of s

[usfins]

A true master, excellent. tyvm

[weeeBloom]

woooow!

free music, free mind, free spirit!!

yes, he is a genius

[acidxiao]

genius