There are so much more difference between christianity and the LDS church (doctrinally), than the FLDS and LDS...
Mormons want to call themselves christians.... when they are far from christianity in doctrine..... FLDS are not far from the LDS church doctrine.... so they must be called mormons if mormons want to be called christians....
chew on that one :-)
Mormonism is not part of christianity, will never be... maybe some "christians" will see them as christians in the endtimes
Mormonism refers to a culture that has never been defined and has so many opposing wings because it keeps changing over time. Who is to say who has the rights to the term the only thing you can say is that they are not LDS.
That is a little contradictory to say it refers to a culture that's never been defined. I mean if it's never been defined then I have a hard time seeing it legitimately being called a culture. If something is a culture that implies distinguishing features. The question then becomes what those are. These can, and generally I would say do, stand independent of internal variances that happen through time so long as you consider something to be an actual culture.
then i put it to you that Mormon Culture has at it's core plural marriage up until the manifesto when Mormon culture split. Those who practice plural marriage still have the right to lay claim to the term Mormon. Even the LDS Church still holds to plural marriage just look at sealings of husbands to more than one wife either due to death or divorce. Women are not sealed to more than one man.
I just have a hard time taking that plural marriage is some core to 'Mormon Culture' and thus break offs having it entitles them to maintain claim to the term "Mormon." What about revelation through the one given the authority over sealing power? I mean that's the core of section 132, not plural marriage, but revelation and the sealing power via the one chosen by God. These break away groups deny soooo much of LDS doctrine, and do so much violence to it, to claim that they have the one prophet.
OK so we are talking two different things here. One is what is Mormon Culture? The culture of the LDS Church is currently one man one woman. There is a history of plural marriage and some eluding to that practice being reinstituted at some time in the future but it is not now a part of LDS culture. But is LDS culture Mormon Culture? That is the other question that needs to be answer.
What does Mormon mean? How is it defined and who decides. Pes. Hinkley said it means "more good" many church leaders have labeled it as slang and derogatory. In the past the church used it in their Mormon adds. Many non-members see Mormon as meaning more than one wife. Just because the Church goes in a different direction that doesn't mean a group looses their claim to that identity. Mormon meant polygamist long before it meant what you imagine it to today
I guess then, that groups of mormon churches clinging to what was original to the first prophet, the diaries of his followers, documents from his time and even plain view teachings of the modern LDS church is nullified, simply because the "church" has changed so radically from the teachings of Joseph Smith and modern LDS culture up until the beginning of the 20th century when the church sought to be politically correct.
As the Church has moved away from the term "Mormon" in the past they can hold no claim on it today. They have no right to stop anyone else who identifies themselves as Mormon but do not exactly align themselves with the standards of the LDS Church.
They have only moved away from it in terms of wanting to emphasize our original name and title, not because the word or label was disliked. Just because I prefer people call me by my name doesn't mean I'm inherently trying to show a dislike for nick names or other labels that are used by close relatives or by co-workers or friends. Often the setting and situation/context impact what is sought. Formal titles are an excellent example of this.
bludgeon to death what's left of Bani Sadr's MIlitary who are under UN protection--rough work but that's what I do. Spent the whole night when the feed was coming through on ireport watching the blow by blow of it. I turned it off and had a total traumatic reaction--through up and lost it at the other end too. but I haven't stopped. My MAc serial number is in the HTML--there were 26 of us watching at the beginning and end.
I went on line 15 minutes before the demo started Tehran time
Too groggy to do this justice--its because I"m from Cedar,
My girlfriends from polygamous families were just as Mormon as I am--it's a cultural term. When women married, if in polygamy, if they did, they went right on being Mormon, but not LDS. JUst like the Josephites (Like your ggrandmother Sophie). I am so sick of people dumping on
Southern Utahn--need you do it too?. I lost a year and a half of work time over that trashing, and now it's the 2009
Mormons do not want the public to think of them as polygamist ..... but they think of God Himself as a polygamist! END OF DISCUSSION. YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OFCRAP.
Mormons do not want the public to think of them as polygamist ..... but they think of God Himself as a polygamist! END OF DISCUSSION. YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OFCRAP.
based on what? You say so? A MORmON says so? End of discussion? Really? based on what? How long until your brain dead leader is on TV whining about how MORmONS are so misunderstood, -a plea for discourse & understanding, but the discussion is over , because a MORmON said so.
God as a Polygamist God IS MORmONISM, simple to see with little inspection, but MORmONs howl with denials! l You are the one Full of Crap, typical oF MORmONS!
"A.If they can be that badly mistaken.....B. Why can people like George Albert Smith, Joseph Fielding Smith and David........."
A.
The Word of God is brought to you by the Spirit. You have to build your Faith in those existing first.
B.
Because it's their opinion. Read the Bible and you'll find a lot of opinions. Esp. from the Apostles. How do you know it's right? Holy Ghost. How do you know if they're speaking as a prophet or seer or revelator? (check your inbox for link.)
Because they are men and not angels. Good thing people didn't discount the prophets of old for messing up. Oh wait they did.....
"How often are they wrong compared with how often they are right? Brigham Young was less reliable than a telephone psychic! What makes them prophets?"
They are right all the time when it is by the Holy Sp. What makes them prophets, seers, AND revelators, would be their prophecies, foresight, and revelations. What tells you that they're prophets is the Holy Ghost.
Just because I don't know every Anti-LDS commentary out there?. haha.....But nice pulling "You were certainly correct about the fact that you know more about Mormon doctrine than I do" out of thin-air. Good quote of.... someone lol
Notice the little shuffle you do? Whenever I own you a point you switch to some new amazing exposing "truth"? I'm done with you until you: 1. Admit your Hate. 2. Stop mocking 3. Admit your Pride (meaning you Concede points and don't hop)
And he was wrong. It did improve people's lives. As well as ruin many lives, too. (The War)
I believe he's also wrong on claiming that negroes are descendants of Ham. I really don't think that has ever been Church Doctrine though I know Bruce R. McKonkie had the same opinion.
He says that even men of learning are ignorant of what's on the moon. He says he'd like to think that there are inhabitants on the Moon and Sun.
And could you make a conclusion to your writings so I have something specific to rebut? Such as 'Because of these points I believe prophets aren't reliable.'
Also... Joseph Smith himself spoke out against slavery. What are the words he used? You have made mistakes before in your interpretations such as of Jacob 2:27-30.
There were too many foolish acts of prophets in history for me to consider the Church false solely on them messing up: Moses, the prophet trying to bless against the Israelites, Jonah being they who come to mind. Yet, Moses still was a prophet though he screwed up. It didn't make the Law of Moses wrong. Prophets aren't angels sent to earth. They are weak mean called in and despite their weakness. That's why members are so amazed at Joseph Smith's works despite his meager background.
leaving because your guilty of sins? No. Leaving because you are controlled by urges far from gaining the Truth.
"I don't believe that I am bringing out anything original, only things that you haven't looked at."
Good. Except you're talking to self-made Church scholars...You'll need to form an argument thus: [point of dispute] [source] [conclusion of point of dispute]
Thank you for putting a question forth instead of beginning with logical and argument fallacies.
Coming from you it is. Maybe if a person who wasn't Hate-filled (that could be you! We all can repent of our sins!) would answer I could give some credence to their words.
Ready to be reasonable? Or will you continue foolishly believing that you are the miraculous exposing confidant of Wisdom? Because whilst you are full of Pride and Hate you cannot be reasoned with. I have tried with too many of your kind. Your kind being those consumed by Pride and Hate. Humble yourself or be gone.
It's not facts that I abhor but the twisted truth. According to anti-Semitics [racists], Jews [blacks] should be eradicated from the planet according to 'facts.'
That is what makes you scum.
You view the world through Hate-filled lens. Not only do you see through a glass darkly but you have given into to Satan himself. Pull away from Hate or you will be consumed by it.
Take off your blinders and live in a world that considers all people as potential sentient life-forms. You'd be surprised at how foolish you've been, Pride of the World.
Faith in the heavens is what separate believers and non-believers. It's called Faith.
This is reason why people believe in things such as resurrection and eternal life. Of course, I write this purely for the answering of the question and not to answer you. You are Hate and Pride.
I wasn't attacking your logic by attacking your character. I was attacking your motives by attacking your character. Hateful people spew hate and stiff-necked people see nothing but what they decide to see.
I find testimony of the scriptures by knowing people like you. Otherwise, I would not believe that a person could be such as how they describe prideful and stiff-necked people.
g as you imply you have would have easily found perfectly viable answers. You resort to common tactics of just spitting out as many perceived contradictions as you can in the hopes of overwhelming the inquirer to the point where they will cease to inquire. But the truth of the matter is that if I had time enough I could easily answer your questions, there are perfectly logical answers. But you do not throw out the answers to seek truth but to obscure and overwhelm by appearances. Shallow tactics
BA7, I made no ad-hom attack. I'm stating the facts. You claim to know so much about Mormonism but fail to understand and accept that there's nothing in it that conflicts with what Christ said about the resurrection and marriage.
You demonstrate so many times on so many levels the mentality of a mind still lacking in development of analytical capacity and do it so clearly that it's simply plain on it's face.
Plainly said you ask questions that anyone who'd really studied Mormonism for as lon
Considering your kind (I pray that you are not one of), you have already been answered many a time. If not, ask HiveRadical. He will answer; I have no scholarly input into this as I know nothing of Gallatin or Millport.
And you hateful minion......stop with your pride. You are not the only rational, intelligent, or scholarly man IF you are any of these. Think and consider or be gone with your hate, you scum.
Of 4 men I respect for professionalism in the area of religious thought, HiveRadical is one. I won't stand for your blatant foolishness. And don't get all whiney over the insults I'm throwing at you. Sadly, they happen to be true. Prove me wrong.
And that gives credit to your understanding of it.....how? My goodness; Stiffneckedness, Hate, Ignorance.....actually not so much Ignorance as having Horse-blinders on and faced toward Anti-LDS sites. Why don't you add some anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, and Anarchy sites in with your readings to increase your burning Hate! How many times have you been answered answers to these questions? My goodness! And try Jacob 2:27-30, indignant prideful boy. I'm 22 and know the answers to these....
Learned it quite well, eh? And all the scholars who have looked at the points you attempt to bring up over and over again (and answer them quite directly) must be ignorant of these things? Are you some vastly superior being in your studies? Try listening to answers instead of filling your mind with Hate.
Or make a thinking person look more closely since everything else in Mormon Doctrine that they had studied had been amazing up to that point. Or maybe that point is yet another amazing thing?...Hmmmmm.....Try reading a few lines more in Jacob 2.
No. He gave the correct response. Your summary of it demonstrates that you are willfully distorting what Christ said, your rewording is a wresting of the answer. Any one of the renditions of the story make it clear that marriage is restricted to this world, The dead live in this world also THAT is why Christ specifically places the cut off at the resurrection and NOT at the end of mortal life. He was accurately answering the question asked. It's your distortion that creates your delusion
But more so I find it funny that the run-of-the-mill Adhom/strawman Anti-LDS are becoming less subtle in their blatant fallacious attacks. Almost every question BA7 poses has included with it an attempt to attack the character of all LDS! It seems that YouTube is running out of (Or rather your logic and your knowledge {along with The BYP's} is running out )the more subtle Anti-LDS.
Mao, Stalin, The Viet Kong (Sp?) Pol Pot, Chavez, Castro, Che'... All subscribe to a militant Athiest philosophy. The blood they have on thier hands runs far deeper, in the hundreds of millions than all other religions combined in the last century. A handful of renegade Mormons lashing out againts people they were afraid would be attacking them hardly compares. If Mormon decenters hadn't so violently opposed the early Mormons then some wouldn't have opposed extremes with extremes.
But as you know the JOD was never cannonical, or did you miss my v-blog about that as well? I should have known you were an Athiest though. Figures. I have been where you are with the same sorry rationale. Its a very dark and lonely place and I will not venture back that way again. The spirit guided me out of it, I pray one day you too can have that experience. But so long as you harden your heart there is nothing I can do for you.
Also we know better that when antis come on here claiming to have been Mormon its a lie. You think claiming to be something you are not and never were gives you credability it doesn't. I'd answer your charges, but why bother. The info I have comes from scholars, scientists and historians who happen to be Mormon. In your hard heartedness that makes them not credible so why bother having this discussion. Why bother pestering us when you are not interested in genuine conversation or discussion?
that, in fact the language is set up deliberately to leave such room open, if God meant what you claim he did then he'd have had the foresight to state that there is no marriage after death, he doesn't say that, instead he says that there is no death after the resurrection, clearly choosing one specific point when an earlier specific point would have been chosen by a perfect God IF that earlier point were the correct point to delineate to the masses.
God is Love too. God being love doesn't preclude him being spirit. Christ says that he must leave so that they can receive the Holy Spirit, which of course would mean that the Holy Spirit could be there only when he was not, which was the status of the world before Christ was born.
As to Mark 12 my reading is in context. Nothing in that verse precludes a marriage after death and before the resurrection, there's nothing there at all precluding
Do you know your own religion as well as you know all the supposed dirt in ours? You might be suprised to find yourself just as vulnberable. That is why when we fight amungst ourselves we send people to Athiesm. Even though the Athiests have more blood on thier hands in the last 100 years than all religions combined, the athiests say "look at all this confusion over doctrine, and all this in fighting, isn't it better to reject it?" And large numbers of people agree. We need to stop attacking...
Christ denied post-resurrection marriage NOT posthumous marriage. Read his actual words rather than inserting your own beliefs into your extrapolations. Don't wrest the words of Christ.
Jesus was born and grew in knowledge and in stature, in short he changed, was he less of a God for that BA7?
BTW the spirit of the Lord is mentioned in the Book of Samuel in the OT so you have as much answering to do as anyone on the matter of the Holy Ghost.
The FLDS are not what I would consider Mormon, but they are believers in Christ and therefore can call themselves Christian. The term Christian is quite broader than Evangelicals want it to be, which is sad because if you use thier definition of Christian as the guide than there are very few Christians left in the world... I say if ytou live by the teachings of Christ you can call yourself a Christian...
There are so much more difference between christianity and the LDS church (doctrinally), than the FLDS and LDS...
Mormons want to call themselves christians.... when they are far from christianity in doctrine..... FLDS are not far from the LDS church doctrine.... so they must be called mormons if mormons want to be called christians....
chew on that one :-)
Mormonism is not part of christianity, will never be... maybe some "christians" will see them as christians in the endtimes
testskriftene 1 month ago
Mormonism refers to a culture that has never been defined and has so many opposing wings because it keeps changing over time. Who is to say who has the rights to the term the only thing you can say is that they are not LDS.
rd1999 2 years ago
That is a little contradictory to say it refers to a culture that's never been defined. I mean if it's never been defined then I have a hard time seeing it legitimately being called a culture. If something is a culture that implies distinguishing features. The question then becomes what those are. These can, and generally I would say do, stand independent of internal variances that happen through time so long as you consider something to be an actual culture.
HiveRadical 2 years ago
then i put it to you that Mormon Culture has at it's core plural marriage up until the manifesto when Mormon culture split. Those who practice plural marriage still have the right to lay claim to the term Mormon. Even the LDS Church still holds to plural marriage just look at sealings of husbands to more than one wife either due to death or divorce. Women are not sealed to more than one man.
rd1999 2 years ago
I just have a hard time taking that plural marriage is some core to 'Mormon Culture' and thus break offs having it entitles them to maintain claim to the term "Mormon." What about revelation through the one given the authority over sealing power? I mean that's the core of section 132, not plural marriage, but revelation and the sealing power via the one chosen by God. These break away groups deny soooo much of LDS doctrine, and do so much violence to it, to claim that they have the one prophet.
HiveRadical 2 years ago
OK so we are talking two different things here. One is what is Mormon Culture? The culture of the LDS Church is currently one man one woman. There is a history of plural marriage and some eluding to that practice being reinstituted at some time in the future but it is not now a part of LDS culture. But is LDS culture Mormon Culture? That is the other question that needs to be answer.
rd1999 2 years ago
What does Mormon mean? How is it defined and who decides. Pes. Hinkley said it means "more good" many church leaders have labeled it as slang and derogatory. In the past the church used it in their Mormon adds. Many non-members see Mormon as meaning more than one wife. Just because the Church goes in a different direction that doesn't mean a group looses their claim to that identity. Mormon meant polygamist long before it meant what you imagine it to today
rd1999 2 years ago
I guess then, that groups of mormon churches clinging to what was original to the first prophet, the diaries of his followers, documents from his time and even plain view teachings of the modern LDS church is nullified, simply because the "church" has changed so radically from the teachings of Joseph Smith and modern LDS culture up until the beginning of the 20th century when the church sought to be politically correct.
stengevarsel 2 years ago
As the Church has moved away from the term "Mormon" in the past they can hold no claim on it today. They have no right to stop anyone else who identifies themselves as Mormon but do not exactly align themselves with the standards of the LDS Church.
You can not have your cake and eat it too.
rd1999 2 years ago
They have only moved away from it in terms of wanting to emphasize our original name and title, not because the word or label was disliked. Just because I prefer people call me by my name doesn't mean I'm inherently trying to show a dislike for nick names or other labels that are used by close relatives or by co-workers or friends. Often the setting and situation/context impact what is sought. Formal titles are an excellent example of this.
HiveRadical 2 years ago
bludgeon to death what's left of Bani Sadr's MIlitary who are under UN protection--rough work but that's what I do. Spent the whole night when the feed was coming through on ireport watching the blow by blow of it. I turned it off and had a total traumatic reaction--through up and lost it at the other end too. but I haven't stopped. My MAc serial number is in the HTML--there were 26 of us watching at the beginning and end.
I went on line 15 minutes before the demo started Tehran time
Ghostbead 2 years ago
Too groggy to do this justice--its because I"m from Cedar,
My girlfriends from polygamous families were just as Mormon as I am--it's a cultural term. When women married, if in polygamy, if they did, they went right on being Mormon, but not LDS. JUst like the Josephites (Like your ggrandmother Sophie). I am so sick of people dumping on
Southern Utahn--need you do it too?. I lost a year and a half of work time over that trashing, and now it's the 2009
Iranian Revolution and the attempt to
Ghostbead 2 years ago
Mormons do not want the public to think of them as polygamist ..... but they think of God Himself as a polygamist! END OF DISCUSSION. YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OFCRAP.
settypatch 2 years ago
settypatch......
Mormons do not want the public to think of them as polygamist ..... but they think of God Himself as a polygamist! END OF DISCUSSION. YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OFCRAP.
Test Test.
stuartsc01 2 years ago
based on what? You say so? A MORmON says so? End of discussion? Really? based on what? How long until your brain dead leader is on TV whining about how MORmONS are so misunderstood, -a plea for discourse & understanding, but the discussion is over , because a MORmON said so.
God as a Polygamist God IS MORmONISM, simple to see with little inspection, but MORmONs howl with denials! l You are the one Full of Crap, typical oF MORmONS!
settypatch 2 years ago
settypatch.... You are the one Full of Crap, typical oF MORmONS!
Your rant is funny. All I did was to see if Youtube would let me post......there's been a glitch.
You get bent out of shape over Test Test??
LMAO
stuartsc01 2 years ago
I never said anything about 'test test"
MORmON.
But I will be posting your most sacred MORmON temple handshake at other sites to reward your feable attempt to denigrate me. ENJOY MORmON !
settypatch 2 years ago
settypatch........But I will be posting your most sacred MORmON temple handshake at other sites to reward your feable attempt to denigrate me.
Denigrate you????? Were you born this fucking stupid or were you dropped on your head as a baby?????
stuartsc01 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
settypatch........ But I will be posting your most sacred MORmON temple handshake at other sites to reward your feable attempt to denigrate me.
Were you aways this fucking stupid or were you dropped on your head as a baby???
stuartsc01 2 years ago
"A.If they can be that badly mistaken.....B. Why can people like George Albert Smith, Joseph Fielding Smith and David........."
A.
The Word of God is brought to you by the Spirit. You have to build your Faith in those existing first.
B.
Because it's their opinion. Read the Bible and you'll find a lot of opinions. Esp. from the Apostles. How do you know it's right? Holy Ghost. How do you know if they're speaking as a prophet or seer or revelator? (check your inbox for link.)
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Because they are men and not angels. Good thing people didn't discount the prophets of old for messing up. Oh wait they did.....
"How often are they wrong compared with how often they are right? Brigham Young was less reliable than a telephone psychic! What makes them prophets?"
They are right all the time when it is by the Holy Sp. What makes them prophets, seers, AND revelators, would be their prophecies, foresight, and revelations. What tells you that they're prophets is the Holy Ghost.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Because they were Prophets. You didn't know?
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Oh? Back to mocking?
Just because I don't know every Anti-LDS commentary out there?. haha.....But nice pulling "You were certainly correct about the fact that you know more about Mormon doctrine than I do" out of thin-air. Good quote of.... someone lol
Notice the little shuffle you do? Whenever I own you a point you switch to some new amazing exposing "truth"? I'm done with you until you: 1. Admit your Hate. 2. Stop mocking 3. Admit your Pride (meaning you Concede points and don't hop)
GL
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Yes it does mean they were at odds.
Brigham Young was wrong about slavery being a divine mandate, unless I'm mistaken.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
And he was wrong. It did improve people's lives. As well as ruin many lives, too. (The War)
I believe he's also wrong on claiming that negroes are descendants of Ham. I really don't think that has ever been Church Doctrine though I know Bruce R. McKonkie had the same opinion.
But again I say that prophets are fallible men.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Hmmmm....I don't know if they were 'at odds.'
What's your point by this?
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Hmm...didn't print....I'll have to write again.
insurmountable might be saying a little much ;-)
You can read the words even here!:
exmormon(dot)org/mormon/mormon008.htm
He says that even men of learning are ignorant of what's on the moon. He says he'd like to think that there are inhabitants on the Moon and Sun.
And could you make a conclusion to your writings so I have something specific to rebut? Such as 'Because of these points I believe prophets aren't reliable.'
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Also... Joseph Smith himself spoke out against slavery. What are the words he used? You have made mistakes before in your interpretations such as of Jacob 2:27-30.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
There were too many foolish acts of prophets in history for me to consider the Church false solely on them messing up: Moses, the prophet trying to bless against the Israelites, Jonah being they who come to mind. Yet, Moses still was a prophet though he screwed up. It didn't make the Law of Moses wrong. Prophets aren't angels sent to earth. They are weak mean called in and despite their weakness. That's why members are so amazed at Joseph Smith's works despite his meager background.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
leaving because your guilty of sins? No. Leaving because you are controlled by urges far from gaining the Truth.
"I don't believe that I am bringing out anything original, only things that you haven't looked at."
Good. Except you're talking to self-made Church scholars...You'll need to form an argument thus: [point of dispute] [source] [conclusion of point of dispute]
Thank you for putting a question forth instead of beginning with logical and argument fallacies.
He translated by the H.Sp
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Coming from you it is. Maybe if a person who wasn't Hate-filled (that could be you! We all can repent of our sins!) would answer I could give some credence to their words.
Ready to be reasonable? Or will you continue foolishly believing that you are the miraculous exposing confidant of Wisdom? Because whilst you are full of Pride and Hate you cannot be reasoned with. I have tried with too many of your kind. Your kind being those consumed by Pride and Hate. Humble yourself or be gone.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
They are honest. I don't see any promotion of dishonesty or dishonesty. Explain.
Pity from the enemy of righteousness. I'm sorry I can't feel any kind of empathizing with that. Destroy your Hate.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Jacob 2:27-30.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Mark Twain was a bitter man. Why don't you quote Nietzsche next.
You should believe in the real definition of Faith. The LDS Bible Dictionary gives an excellent example.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
"Facts are facts no matter who spews them."
It's not facts that I abhor but the twisted truth. According to anti-Semitics [racists], Jews [blacks] should be eradicated from the planet according to 'facts.'
That is what makes you scum.
You view the world through Hate-filled lens. Not only do you see through a glass darkly but you have given into to Satan himself. Pull away from Hate or you will be consumed by it.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Jacob 2:27-30
Take off your blinders and live in a world that considers all people as potential sentient life-forms. You'd be surprised at how foolish you've been, Pride of the World.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Faith in the heavens is what separate believers and non-believers. It's called Faith.
This is reason why people believe in things such as resurrection and eternal life. Of course, I write this purely for the answering of the question and not to answer you. You are Hate and Pride.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
I wasn't attacking your logic by attacking your character. I was attacking your motives by attacking your character. Hateful people spew hate and stiff-necked people see nothing but what they decide to see.
I find testimony of the scriptures by knowing people like you. Otherwise, I would not believe that a person could be such as how they describe prideful and stiff-necked people.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
g as you imply you have would have easily found perfectly viable answers. You resort to common tactics of just spitting out as many perceived contradictions as you can in the hopes of overwhelming the inquirer to the point where they will cease to inquire. But the truth of the matter is that if I had time enough I could easily answer your questions, there are perfectly logical answers. But you do not throw out the answers to seek truth but to obscure and overwhelm by appearances. Shallow tactics
HiveRadical 2 years ago
BA7, I made no ad-hom attack. I'm stating the facts. You claim to know so much about Mormonism but fail to understand and accept that there's nothing in it that conflicts with what Christ said about the resurrection and marriage.
You demonstrate so many times on so many levels the mentality of a mind still lacking in development of analytical capacity and do it so clearly that it's simply plain on it's face.
Plainly said you ask questions that anyone who'd really studied Mormonism for as lon
HiveRadical 2 years ago
Considering your kind (I pray that you are not one of), you have already been answered many a time. If not, ask HiveRadical. He will answer; I have no scholarly input into this as I know nothing of Gallatin or Millport.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Jacob 2:27-30. Read and gnash your teeth.
And you hateful minion......stop with your pride. You are not the only rational, intelligent, or scholarly man IF you are any of these. Think and consider or be gone with your hate, you scum.
Of 4 men I respect for professionalism in the area of religious thought, HiveRadical is one. I won't stand for your blatant foolishness. And don't get all whiney over the insults I'm throwing at you. Sadly, they happen to be true. Prove me wrong.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
And that gives credit to your understanding of it.....how? My goodness; Stiffneckedness, Hate, Ignorance.....actually not so much Ignorance as having Horse-blinders on and faced toward Anti-LDS sites. Why don't you add some anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, and Anarchy sites in with your readings to increase your burning Hate! How many times have you been answered answers to these questions? My goodness! And try Jacob 2:27-30, indignant prideful boy. I'm 22 and know the answers to these....
angelmarauder 2 years ago
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angelmarauder 2 years ago
Learned it quite well, eh? And all the scholars who have looked at the points you attempt to bring up over and over again (and answer them quite directly) must be ignorant of these things? Are you some vastly superior being in your studies? Try listening to answers instead of filling your mind with Hate.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Or make a thinking person look more closely since everything else in Mormon Doctrine that they had studied had been amazing up to that point. Or maybe that point is yet another amazing thing?...Hmmmmm.....Try reading a few lines more in Jacob 2.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
No. He gave the correct response. Your summary of it demonstrates that you are willfully distorting what Christ said, your rewording is a wresting of the answer. Any one of the renditions of the story make it clear that marriage is restricted to this world, The dead live in this world also THAT is why Christ specifically places the cut off at the resurrection and NOT at the end of mortal life. He was accurately answering the question asked. It's your distortion that creates your delusion
HiveRadical 2 years ago
I love how knowledgeable you are HR.
But more so I find it funny that the run-of-the-mill Adhom/strawman Anti-LDS are becoming less subtle in their blatant fallacious attacks. Almost every question BA7 poses has included with it an attempt to attack the character of all LDS! It seems that YouTube is running out of (Or rather your logic and your knowledge {along with The BYP's} is running out )the more subtle Anti-LDS.
angelmarauder 2 years ago
Don't flatter yourself about knowing much about Mormon doctrine Baurak, you know pitifully little about it for having over two decades in it.
HiveRadical 2 years ago
Mao, Stalin, The Viet Kong (Sp?) Pol Pot, Chavez, Castro, Che'... All subscribe to a militant Athiest philosophy. The blood they have on thier hands runs far deeper, in the hundreds of millions than all other religions combined in the last century. A handful of renegade Mormons lashing out againts people they were afraid would be attacking them hardly compares. If Mormon decenters hadn't so violently opposed the early Mormons then some wouldn't have opposed extremes with extremes.
SeraphimTheApologist 2 years ago
But as you know the JOD was never cannonical, or did you miss my v-blog about that as well? I should have known you were an Athiest though. Figures. I have been where you are with the same sorry rationale. Its a very dark and lonely place and I will not venture back that way again. The spirit guided me out of it, I pray one day you too can have that experience. But so long as you harden your heart there is nothing I can do for you.
SeraphimTheApologist 2 years ago
Also we know better that when antis come on here claiming to have been Mormon its a lie. You think claiming to be something you are not and never were gives you credability it doesn't. I'd answer your charges, but why bother. The info I have comes from scholars, scientists and historians who happen to be Mormon. In your hard heartedness that makes them not credible so why bother having this discussion. Why bother pestering us when you are not interested in genuine conversation or discussion?
SeraphimTheApologist 2 years ago
that, in fact the language is set up deliberately to leave such room open, if God meant what you claim he did then he'd have had the foresight to state that there is no marriage after death, he doesn't say that, instead he says that there is no death after the resurrection, clearly choosing one specific point when an earlier specific point would have been chosen by a perfect God IF that earlier point were the correct point to delineate to the masses.
HiveRadical 2 years ago
God is Love too. God being love doesn't preclude him being spirit. Christ says that he must leave so that they can receive the Holy Spirit, which of course would mean that the Holy Spirit could be there only when he was not, which was the status of the world before Christ was born.
As to Mark 12 my reading is in context. Nothing in that verse precludes a marriage after death and before the resurrection, there's nothing there at all precluding
HiveRadical 2 years ago
Do you know your own religion as well as you know all the supposed dirt in ours? You might be suprised to find yourself just as vulnberable. That is why when we fight amungst ourselves we send people to Athiesm. Even though the Athiests have more blood on thier hands in the last 100 years than all religions combined, the athiests say "look at all this confusion over doctrine, and all this in fighting, isn't it better to reject it?" And large numbers of people agree. We need to stop attacking...
SeraphimTheApologist 2 years ago
Christ denied post-resurrection marriage NOT posthumous marriage. Read his actual words rather than inserting your own beliefs into your extrapolations. Don't wrest the words of Christ.
Jesus was born and grew in knowledge and in stature, in short he changed, was he less of a God for that BA7?
BTW the spirit of the Lord is mentioned in the Book of Samuel in the OT so you have as much answering to do as anyone on the matter of the Holy Ghost.
HiveRadical 2 years ago
The FLDS are not what I would consider Mormon, but they are believers in Christ and therefore can call themselves Christian. The term Christian is quite broader than Evangelicals want it to be, which is sad because if you use thier definition of Christian as the guide than there are very few Christians left in the world... I say if ytou live by the teachings of Christ you can call yourself a Christian...
SeraphimTheApologist 2 years ago