Adrian Moore Discussing How California Wants Kim Kardashian To Help Tax The Rich

[AnarchyEnsues]

more Adrian Moore!!!!...

he really can convey a message to the people.

[jgtemplars]

LOL My State of California is a joke! Our State legislators spend way more then they take in. They can't balance a budget! The growth of Government is at a all time high. There are more regulations and means of control over our lives then ever before. People are leaving the State in masses. The whole State is financially gonna collapse. Yea keep taxing the very people that is keeping the State employed. After 45 years I am out or here soon.

[jone4700]

I love how Adrian Moore is just laughing the whole time

[mikerscope]

What a misnomer of a website name. Pap.com would be a better name.

[wangsta25]

It's so nice to be rich and wealthy in the U.S. because you have these dumb middle class pawns supporting you, thinking that they just might get some of the action that's "trickling down" Wake up, the rich have been taking your money ever since the late 1970's, America has this obsession with worshiping rich people, thinking that these people will somehow save our democracy and improve income inequality. Keep it up and see where it'll lead you!

[grraadd]

@wangsta25 nobody can save any democracy ever... so what are you talking about?

[sabengry]

@wangsta25 It is not rich folks that are the problem, it is politically connected people who got rich through their connections. Most rich people get that way by creating products that make you life better and they are getting ripped off more than you by the government kleptocracy because they have more to steal.

And just how do you think the political class does the ripping off? Through the use of the socialist mechanisms create by poor people voting for gifts from government.

[34lbs]

I wonder if there has ever been a social-democrat/socialist with an economics degree?

[sabengry]

@34lbs They are the ones running most of the universities. So it is they who decide who gets degrees. They give them to idiots who make excuses for growing government, like Paul Krugman.

[PrairiePie23]

Interestingly...Kardashian doesn't talk about leaving the state of California. She's hardly worried about her tax rate increasing.

[1corpoaratekochwhore]

Stewert Varney is the most unbearable man to watch and listen to in all of cable news.

[vonGleichenT]

taxing is not the answer to the core problem.

[SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

Raise taxes on California millionaires? What great way to run more job creators out of California!

[bpentium]

Kim who?



[asphyxiafeeling]

I'm a Californian who loves his state, and I gotta say this shit makes me SICK. A lot of people might be wussing out and moving to states like Texas, but not me. I'm gonna stay here, go through school and fix this shit. The Golden State deserves better than liberal FAILURE

[RobTzu]

@asphyxiafeeling Good luck.

[eveningbuzz]

@asphyxiafeeling You must be young! ☺

[sabengry]

@asphyxiafeeling Fixing the Golden State won't happen until it has collapsed due to it's own taxing and regulatory policies. After the collapse all the liberals will leave there for larger welfare checks elsewhere. Then you can rebuild.

Of course, California, and the other states, will probably collapse due to US Government policy long before it collapses under it's own weight. So the liberals will have nowhere to go for a fat welfare check. You're probably stuck with them.

[modernfreestyle]

Taxes should be the same across the board--no exceptions and no loopholes. Ten percent of a dollar is ten cents, and ten percent of a million dollars is a hundred thousand dollars. The idea that the rich don't pay their fair share is stupid when you look at actual dollar amounts, but make it a flat tax if you're really interested in "fairness."

[TheSupercat2468]

Higher taxes won't save california. All it will do is make the miillionaires move to florida. That's what most of the smart millionaires here in new york did.

[markjerno]

Taxes should be equal for everyone, 0% that's Zero with a Z.

[Stagester]

@34lbs you are hardly a libertarian. By 2015 the CBO estimates there will be more people getting benefits than there will be paying into the system. This is happening in most Blue States including California. Please dear Californians continue doing what you are doing so Idaho, Montana, Arizona, Utah and Nevada can take all your business away from you. You don't deserve it anyway.

When you have a President who hates capitalism and then says you can earn enough, its clear what they want.

[34lbs]

@Stagester I disagree with you, first of all, i dont believe in government provided social security, nor a medicare tax. HOW AM I NOT A LIBERTARIAN? what is it dogmatic, and i have to follow everything ayn rand says or sum shit. If you read Adam Smith you'll see that he supported progressive taxation. "Every tax, however, is, to the person who pays it, a badge, not of slavery, but of liberty".

[Stagester]

@34lbs In reading your posts I see you are for progressive taxation. You cite Adam Smith who would hardly be labeled a libertarian. I agree your other positions against entitlements is libertarian but not your tax position.

[34lbs]

@Stagester 

[34lbs]

Im as libertarian as the next guy, but whoever says taxes should be equal is absolutely wrong, an investor shouldn't pay the same amount of taxes as some bimbo who gets royalties inherited from her shyster daddy, a working single mother should get more tax breaks than a working mother with a working husband. Absolutely people can game the system, come to my country, work at the welfare office, full of bludgers (aussie term)

[BillyJoe1305]

@34lbs Is the next guy Marx?

[34lbs]

@BillyJoe1305 how the hell can you be so dogmatic?

[BillyJoe1305]

@34lbs That Bimbo remark, doesn't seem Libertarian at all. A libertarian would say something like, "her father earned the money & had every right to give it to who he chose, for whatever reason. Why should we tax that, as opposed to anyone else's money?" Then they'd say, "once he gave it away it belongs to the recipient, why should we be able to take some of it?" Yet Marx would say, "She didn't earn it tax it awy till its gone & she can work with the people." See how I drew my conclusion?

[34lbs]

@BillyJoe1305 I was arguing that royalties are passive residual and therefore do not deserve the same treatment as income taxes, i don't believe in an inheritance tax or that likes. If it is inherited that does not bother me. If someone makes passive residual income during the fiscal year that he/she gained from an inheritance/investment made before, than it is not the same as someone who gains income from an investment during the fiscal year.

[BillyJoe1305]

@34lbs Why is it not the same?

[34lbs]

@BillyJoe1305 because he/she recently made the investment, it is an active contribution to the economy and is a sacrifice in order to gain wealth, passive residual income is not.

[BillyJoe1305]

@34lbs You make a sacrifice by no accessing it, & if your money is anywhere its growing (like a bank) it is being utilized in the economy.

[34lbs]

@BillyJoe1305 Look at it this way, if someone gets 50,000 during the year without doing anything, and someone works (that includes investing and management) to earn 50,000, who deserves to pay more taxes.

[BillyJoe1305]

@34lbs neither.

[sabengry]

@34lbs Neither. Taxes are theft, plain and simple. You should pay for the services you use and nothing more.

[sabengry]

@34lbs Regardless of how old the investment is it is still providing the same amount of service to the economy. You are obviously working under the delusion of the broken window fallacy.

[AngrySkeptic]

@34lbs

Why subsidize single motherhood? Single mothers are the single biggest cause of social problems in western society.

[34lbs]

@AngrySkeptic not subsidize, simply reduce taxes, my mother is single and i came out fine, so fuck you. The biggest cause of social problems in western society is not single mothers, where the hell did you get that statistic.

[sabengry]

@AngrySkeptic That's a bit of a stretch. I would say the single biggest problem facing any society is the looming threat of a despotic US Government.

[sabengry]

@34lbs There should be NO income tax at all. The US Government never had one until 1916 and it ran budget surpluses so big they didn't know what to do with all the money. Income taxes are slavery, pure and simple.

[UTubekookdetector]

SABEN: I concur, only consumption should be taxed (in my opinion). Income taxes make one think Washington owns our $ and we keep what they think we deserve. That's BS. Double-taxation such as capital gains & dividends should be gone as well.

[34lbs]

@sabengry How the hell are we gonna pay for security and defence to protect life, liberty and property, a higher consumption tax will affect consumption. I think the tax rates now are too high and should be simplified but not gone.

[sabengry]

@34lbs How do we pay for it now? The income tax barely covers the cost of servicing the country's debt.

Eliminate all the things the government has no constitutional authorization to do and there would be gobs of money left over for defense. Now most of the military spending is on empire building, not defense.

And I never said a thing about a consumption tax. But really all taxes are consumption taxes. For instance, the cost of corporate income taxes get passed down to the consumer.

[nottinmatterz2day]

only 1% higher than middle class.....what's wrong with that? Should be the same. Should be fair

[whoo689]

Corporate America has 400 top people who make more than the bottom 60% of wage-earners in America! The "75 people making over 100k" crap seems so petty in comparison. Yes, god forbid SOME PEOPLE working in America get a shot at the American Dream. If they work in gov't, they're "stealing" or 'robbing' taxpayers or some shit.

[whoo689]

And I think we all know just how often defense contractors defraud the public.

[whoo689]

Btw, WHEN did guys like Stuart Varney on Fox ever speak out against the insane bonuses given to all these bank managers AFTER THEY CRASHED THE ECON. and helped fuel the subprime and housing bubbles? When did Stuart ask for all those managers who were given BONUSES, at say, BP or TransOcean to GIVE THE MONEY BACK? How do you justify big bonuses to people who fuck things up?? That's "good performance" in corporate America?

And who KNOWS how much defense contract managers get in bonuses.

[whoo689]

The possibly ridiculous and 'lavish' benefits of certain public and government workers at all levels of government notwithstanding, it seems a bit SILLY for Stuart to point out a Berkeley guy who's gonna get 250 grand total per year after retirement when, say, the head of Goldman Sachs made FAR MORE than TEN YEARS WORTH OF THAT in a single year. Talk about screwed-up priorities. A public official who serves the people getting 250 grand is "outrageous" but a bankster getting millions is ok.

[vNorilor]

@whoo689 That you don't know the difference says all that needs to be. Listen, if you don't have the IQ to do politics, stay out of the discussion?

[sabengry]

@whoo689 The CEO of a corporation is getting the money of its investors who invested their money voluntarily. Hopefully, for their own sake, they are smart enough not to invest if the CEO's contract gets him paid and the investors do not. But either way it is their money.

A "public official" gets their money at the point of a gun, and gets more money and responsibility the worse they are at their jobs. But regardless, of their performance it is always someone else's money. 

[whoo689]

If the rich had their incomes all scaled back to, say, 500 grand, the share that they'd pay in terms of total tax revenues would DECREASE SUBSTANTIALLY. It's basic mathematics and statistics. To think this kind of thing is a legitimate argument on tax policy is fucking ridiculous.

[sabengry]

@whoo689 "If only these people who make more than me would voluntarily hand their money over instead of making me put a gun in their face then we could all be happy."

To think that any argument that takes violence or the threat thereof to be a starting point is ridiculous. Most of the people you complain about MAKE money. They are the one's who give it value. The problem is not productive people, it is the government cronies. To reduce cronyism, you have to reduce government.

[whoo689]

managers pre-decided, and there's not much leverage to increase the pay later on. I mean, if most middle-class people ALSO had the privilege of determining their pay up to ANY MAXIMUM, yeah, we'd probably suddenly pay TONS MORE in taxes, too! DUH

[whoo689]

Not only that, but a lot of the rich (esp. the boardroom execs.) DECIDE THEIR OWN INCOMES. They have the power to say, "We're gonna get 12 million next year in compensation" and highly influence the compensation boards. It's not rocket science, for christ sake. But MOST Americans don't have that privilege. Politicians, salespeople, some investors and business owners are pretty much the only ones who have the ability to decide their pay. The rest of us who take jobs have to take what our

[whoo689]

How these conservatives think this is a REALLY LEGIT argument against higher taxes is beyond me...

[whoo689]

Oh, god, Stuart. Don't throw around that crap about how "the rich pay the majority of taxes." Uh, yeah, BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO MAKE MORE! If the middle class suddenly got MILLIONS in bonuses tomorrow, we'd pay much larger portions of taxes than we do now, TOO. It's simple math. It has nothing to do with us "taxing them a lot already." We're talking about INDIVIDUAL rates. The rich will pay the most in revenues AT PRACTICALLY ANY LEVEL of taxation.

[whoo689]

What, are the anti-tax folks and 'businessmen' who leave ALWAYS justified and never eligible for scorn, but those who ask of a little more to help shore up budget crises without having to make significant, hurtful cuts on social programs are "the bad guys"? Regular folks who wanna help their neighbors and friends in a recession are "the bad guys" for wanting to ask the rich to pay up a little more from an already-low rate of 35% and less-than-10% state level taxes. God dammit

[sabengry]

@whoo689 Because theft is theft. Government does not ask for someone to pay for the lives of others, it forces them to with threats of imprisonment or death if they do not hand over their dough.

The fact is that the government consumes the vast majority of that wealth for itself and only hands over a pittance to buy the votes and the moral fortitude of standing at the back of an angry mob.

[whoo689]

Instead of bitching about the taxers, how about bitching to the WIMPS WHO LEAVE just b/c their taxes were raised 1% or 2%? Those people are pansies, not real businessmen. "Even though I'm making billions in profits, I could make another few million in a state with lower taxes, so I'll leave this place and relocate."

[sabengry]

@whoo689 High tax states are also high regulation states. Why put yourself through the pain and degradation of cowing to the criminals in government and their angry mob who voted them in? Instead leave and go where your services (and the jobs you create) are welcomed with proper property rights protections.

[whoo689]

The wealthy in America and their GOP-libertarian defenders have lost all sense of perspective. It's all absolutist for them. Absolutist bs, that is.

[whoo689]

Go to Sweden, and THEN you'll see what "high taxes" really looks like.

[sabengry]

@whoo689 Go to North Korea and you will see what your 'end game' really looks like.

[whoo689]

I'm all for libertarianism on social issues and foreign policy, but the whininess of it on a lot of economic crap is where I take issue. THAT is just insane. In one of the LOWEST-TAXED (study after study confirms this) nations, you're gonna bitch about taxes?? REALLY? Honestly?

[sabengry]

@whoo689 You are just gonna throw that nonsense out there? REALLY? Honestly? Go do your homework:

scribd.com/doc/52966788/Effect­ive-Tax-Rate-Study

[whoo689]

It's thanks to the hypersensitive market system this country has developed since Reagan that the rich, esp. the "job-creators", feel the NEED to act like every time they lose EVEN A LITTLE BIT of profits or income (but still vastly wealthy), they are gonna go broke tomorrow. Or their companies are "uncompetitive" all of a sudden b/c a billion-dollar firm lost a few million in the last year or so. Or b/c they had to insure more people for healthcare (god forbid they get a piece of the pie, too)

[sabengry]

@whoo689 There is no pie.

This is how the "pie" breaks down:

There is voluntary exchanges of value that we call the free market. It consists of products and services, such as bread and jobs.

There is theft at the point of a gun, that you call taxes.

And there is legislative favors that you call welfare or union contracts for the average person and you call criminal when it is done for rich people. Personally, I call it extortion in all cases. But then I understand principles.

[whoo689]

All the state income taxes are between 0-10%. How is that grounds for bitching like the sky is falling? When you have MILLIONS in annual income (or even billions), and YOU wanna bitch about fairly low taxes, do you not see how silly it sounds? Esp. when you consider just HOW MANY MILLIONS of Americans are actually in poverty, trying to make ends meet on, say, just 20 grand for a family of 4. Or less

[whoo689]

And those who make money off shit like carried interest only have to pay a measly 15%. The rich in this country don't realize how good they REALLY HAVE IT! So they continue to whine and bitch as if taxes have NEVER BEEN HIGHER, when it fact, it was a LOT higher until just 30 years ago. You wanna go back to 70%? Then your complaints about taxes NOW will seem frivolous. Or how about we go back to 92%? 35% seems pretty fair to me. 10% or less in state income tax seems fair to me.

[whoo689]

Conservatives LOVE to bitch about how "high" taxes in CA are, but in reality, they're not THAT high! They may be a little higher than the average for all 50 states, but it's just bitching and whining from rich spoiled brats. If you look at the ACTUAL facts on taxes in CA, you realize how absurd the complaining sounds. Stuart Varney's just an elitist shill. Oh, boo-hoo, the rich may have to pay 5% MORE in taxes even though their rate is only 35%, and the EFFECTIVE rate is much lower.

[MrConservative608]

I have an idea. You Californians, tax your wealthy people into the stone age. Any of you who don't like that, please come here to Wisconsin.

[wangsta25]

But Kim Kardashian is a job creator!

[sabengry]

@wangsta25 If her millions are in the bank or invested in any way (not buried in the back yard or under her mattress) then she is creating jobs.

[34lbs]

@wangsta25 no shes not, bill gates is a job creator, richard branson is a job creator, the people in wall street are job creator, she does not invest or generate business beyond the royalties she gets from modelling and her daddy.

[xXKayn3Xx]

Why don't we lower taxes for everyone?I mean call me crazy 

[VegasBilgeRat]

@xXKayn3Xx liberals don't give a shit about "everyone." They care about screwing everyone else to pay for their ideals.

[coffeefish]

No idea who Kim Kardashian is. I have heard the name before, but other than that........I have my own life.

[sabengry]

@coffeefish Good for you. I wish I had no idea who that worthless cow was.

[happystab]

Any income tax should be the same rate for all: 0%

[iguire]

No...really. who is Kim Kardashian?

[XulChris]

Why not lower the middle class tax rate instead?

[1czelaya]

This is the low the Californian state has gone too. Kim Kardashian of all people. How did California ever get into to this debt? I wonder... What's sickening is while California has recklessly been unable to resolve its debt & have sound fiscal policy-it will go bankrupt. Who is going to have to pay? The tax payers of the states who have lived within their means. Let California fall so it will be a beacon of what not to be. I just feel sorry for those Californians who have been responsible.

[6134chuck]

the progs/statists will use her to flog their theft demands just like they did against Paris Hilton a few years back...

"rich trash is much worse than parasite trash because they are spending their own money"...how in hell has our world turned so upside down?

[HoustonCabbie]

California is like Greece.The debt they cause brings everyone down with them.Need more money for illegal aliens?????

[polevaultrockstr]

Taxing people helps no one. If you recieve governement help I hope you can sleep at night knowing that your stealing from other people so you can live.

[LibertyDownUnder]

You yanks need a wrecking ball to go into Washington, New York and Sacramento and start knocking down all these bogus plans & entitelments.

[Jyagos1]

@LibertyDownUnder We'll need about two balls the size of the Charles Atlus statue, some gasoline, and a lot of matches.

[uzimodem]

@LibertyDownUnder : we would , but we live in the Political Correctness age. anyone who goes against what you said is labeled a racist or a mean conservative who cares only for the rich. but come nov 2012, we will begin that process.

[realhxq]

@LibertyDownUnder in case that dose not work, how is emigration in your nation for a person soon to be employed into Electric Generation ? (coal and biodiesel )

[bweazel]

Who is Kim Kardashian?

[hartshornguy]

@bweazel the step daughter of an olympic swimmer from the 80s( Bruce Jenner). The only reason she is famous is because he mom married him. The same goes for the hilton sisters who are famous and rich because of their grandfathers famous chain of hotels,The Hilton.

[olhsaoagpaigfbp]

@bweazel I know what a Cardassian is.

[VegasBilgeRat]

@bweazel She's the former leader of the Bajoran occupation, right hand of Gul Dukat.