John M try this experiment: Become a homosexual with genuine feelings of attraction to someone of the same sex (assuming you are a heterosexual of course). If you are able to do this then you know that, for you at least, it is a choice. Don't worry, you can change back too if it's a choice. Fail, and it's pretty clear sexuality is not a choice for you.
@chicraig6421 Your sick and twisted "feelings of attraction" are just the same as the sick and twisted desires of a murderer or some other filthy sexual pervert. The problem is that you have never been redeemed because your idolotrous heart still craves the filth that opposes the Lord.
@cqqrzgth The measure is science, and the basic laws of epistemology... one of which is that a book can't prove very much by itself. Another is that the highly unlikely (eg the "supernatural") needs a proportionate amount of quality evidence to prove its existence. Your Doctrine fails as plausible fact; as a belief-system, it qualifies as delusional. That's why you are on here, doing harm, believing that you are doing good.
@taofist You mean "basic laws" and other things that you presuppose as a standard of measure? Oh sure, we'll just excuse you and grant those things without question...NOT!
@taofist See you have no basis of judging the rights and wrongs of others without a moral guide that is outside of yourself or mankind. Your standard is man made and thus it is relative and no better than anyone elses.
@cqqrzgth Your discourse remains relentlessly incorrect. Especially laughable is the standard church-propagated fallacy that we need some "God-Book" of moral rules to escape the "horror" of absolute relativism.
@taofist Thanks for completely dancing around the question. I do love your veiled presuppositions that you rely on so heavily though. See you have no support for ANYTHING that you ASSerted, thanks for sharing your worthelss opinion though.
The truth is that moral/ethical beliefs and methods have both a contextual relativism, and a nature-based archetypal underpinning that makes certain basic principles arise in morality no matter WHAT the culture or religion. People like Jesus were actually trying to point this out (you know -"be guided by empathy""help others"etc) - but idiots like YOU turned him into a "God" instead, and used his authority to harm others like u r doing now...
@taofist So no, I am not wrong because God's clear word prevails. It's trash like you that have to work so hard to twist it to soothe your itching degenerate ears.
@cqqrzgth My sick and twisted feelings of attraction. Well yet another FYI, I have been with my same sex partner for over 17 years; and ya know what, yep I still have feelings of attraction for my man."what therefore God has joined together, let no man separate" (Mark 10:9). We are married - Iowa oh in a Christian Church in front of God.
Wow you say some filthy sexual pervert - I know you don't mean that, as that would not be a Christian thing to say would it?
@chicraig6421 I don't care where you were married, your "marriage" is void in God's economy and He does NOT honor that UNholy arrangement. God hasn't "joined" anything for you, you are in a perpetually sinful alliance. The only person that honors that filthy "marriage" is the devil.
@cqqrzgth Wow there u go speaking for God again, just what gives you that power to speak for God? Did you ever read Proverbs 19:9? Do you see the error of your ways?
Why do you just pick and choose what to believe in the Bible? Do you really fell you are living like Christ taught us? Have you looked in the mirror and to see if that person is a Christian?
God loves you, me and all His kids, and yes he was present at my marriage to my same sex partner. Sorry you are flat out wrong and you know it
@chicraig6421 I believe the bible as a whole and that includes the things that the flesh doesn't like but you see filthy sodomites like you do abide in God's word because it is merely a tool that you use to try and appease your conscience. You're not His "kid" and your ungodly, UNholy union is an abomination. It's sad that you spend most of your time on YT arguing with people to fight off the truth about your lifestyle.
@bobo577 You are flat out wrong. Homosexuality is not a sin, God created all and guess what that includes homosexuals. Why you want to erase Gods creation (only the gay type however) is wrong, un-Christian and not what Jesus intended.
Read the Bible in context, there is nothing that about homosexuality being a sin.
@cqqrzgth You call me a faggot. You can do better than that. Go ahead try some hate speech, it might make you feel good. How about queer, or fag, or fruit, come on get creative. Oh wait, I forgot you r a Christian, or are you? Where or where did Jesus teach us to call people names, use hate speech, did I miss that in the Bible? Don't lower yourself to the level of John M, he is a bigot.
@chicraig6421 Let me get one thing straight, I don't hate you but I hate Homosexuality. Did not Jesus not uphold the law and fulfill what we could not?
I would argue if we are all God's children, made in his likeness and image, then to deny access to any sacrament based on sexuality is exactly the same thing as denying it based on skin color, or anything else. People get married "for their mutual joy, that's what religious people do: care for each other in spite of difficulty.In marriage, couples grow closer to God: Being with one another in community is how you love God. That's what marriage is about.
@chicraig6421 Interesting how you say it's not a sin when the word of God says it IS! I really don't care what your opinion of my christianity because that coming from an unrepentant immoral practitioner means nothing.
@cqqrzgth Thats exactly my point, the word of God does not say homosexuality is a sin, its not in the Bible. Nor did Jesus say 1 word about it, not 1. Nor did Jesus condemn homosexuals, or homosexual marriage. Actually Jesus was for people getting married for their mutual joy, thats what religious people do, care for each other. Couples grow closer to God, being 1 with community is how one loves God. Read the Bible learn. Homosexuality is not a sin, nor is homosexuals getting married a sin.
@gilbert4321 you said - Learn to read its all over the place -
FYI there are only 7 verses out of the entire Bibles well over 360,000 verses that are used to say homosexuality is a sin, when none of them actually say that at all.
Where is homosexuality all over the place? Actually its not in the Bible its not a sin.
@chicraig6421 Yes it does and that stupid argument about Jesus not saying "a word about it" is a weak and wicked twisting of His word. You see Jesus is the author of all scripture so every passage that rebukes your foul sin is His word so YES, Jesus did say somehting about it. He said that homosexuals will NOT inherit the kingdom.
@cqqrzgth Im sorry but fact is Jesus said not 1 word about homosexuality, not 1.
Nor did Paul for that matter, Nor did Tim for that matter. Its not in Romans, or Cor; its really not in the Bible.
No were in the Bible did He, Jesus say homosexuals will NOT inherit the kingdom, there u go again making stuff up, and saying its Gospel when its not. If you are a Christian, try being more Christ like.
Like some cadaverous skull spewing stupidity and ignorance through a pair of bad fitting dentures, MacArthur quotes Scripture out of context on this and every other social issue he attempts to make money off of. A pathetically weak and ignorant man- he will have much to answer for. The San Francisco mayor came off looking intelligent-MacArthur, as always, exposes himself for what he is--John 8:44 was written for him and his sick followers.
@chicraig6421 my friend when I was referring to atheists I meant those that deny that God exists.The bible has judged and states the reward for SUCH in no uncertain terms,no need for me to do that.And as far as gays...as MacArthur states at 4:48...the bible again speaks in no uncertain terms.And if you think that is HATING??I will never apologize for something the Word of God has stated or made clear.
@69cascade You do not need to apologize to me, my friend. Only God can judge not you. I do not agree with you or John M as you well know. If the Bible is read in context, and John M should know this, homosexuality is not there, its not a sin. You and some, not even most, Christians are flat out wrong. This and so many other Christians know you are wrong; we know homosexuality is not a sin. And yes preaching like John M does hateful, not helpful he pushes people away from Christ. Not Jesus like
@69cascade as has your day of judgement drawn 1 day closer. You cannot judge as you are doing, only God can judge. Guess what God will judge you and me, do you really think He will judge us differently? If you do, you need to re-read the Bible.
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, your life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
@chicraig6421 No God does NOT love you just the way you are, God loves people Despite of what they are and that includes the UNgodly practice of homosexuality. When people are saved they desire the things of God not the sleaze of the world ie, homosexuality.
@cqqrzgth Wow ungodly practice of homosexuality, interesting you call homosexuality ungodly when it is not a sin, and God created homosexuals. Just how do u do that, and then it seems you know what God made holy and unholy. Wow
It seems to me if you are a Christian, you either strayed from the faith, need to re-read the Bible, and / or repent and ask Christ for help.
And I agree God loves all His creations, thats all, and that includes the practicing homosexuals (who love just like you do)
@chicraig6421 I don't need to "re-read" the bible because it is clear and you don't like it but that's ok because you will stand before God someday and give an account for your perversion of it.
@cqqrzgth Yes I will stand before God one day as will you. - I don't actually think we'll be standing however - I have no fear of that, God made me who I am, loves as I am, and knows me better then myself.
May God bless and help you.
God loves all HIs kids, that all, including the homosexual kind. Wonder if John M knows that.
@cqqrzgth Interesting how you not only know what God thinks and will say, you also know what I will do. Wow just how do you do that. R U sure U R a Christian, I don't think what you are doing / saying here is very Christ like. Look in a mirror.
Homosexuality is not a sin. I know you want it to be, but it is not.
@chicraig6421 Yes, we know a lot about what He thinks because He has revealed it in His word such as the FACT that God created a man and a woman and decreed that they be fruitful and multiply. Notice that God did not create another queer and say "Be fruits without the ability to multiply.
@cqqrzgth Yes I agree God created man and women, He also created you and me, and He created me gay. Sorry you cant change God's work, and He does not make a mistake. I am not a mistake, I'm Gods child same as you
Gee is that hard for you to hear? Sorry.
Stop the hate, live like a Christian. Stop pushing people away from Christianly, do what Jesus taught, not what John M teaches.
@chicraig6421 You're a sinner and you have chosen the sin of homosexuality as your outlet for your deviant desires just as the liar or the murderer or the child molester. Christ established ONE plan and that is for ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, period and your foul practice is NOT one of God's options. The only thing I am pushing people away from is your RELIGION that worships the SIN of HOMOsexuality.
@chicraig6421 No I'm not wrong because it's not about me it's about God's word and God's word is right and it's YOU that is wrong because Jesus Christ is not your God, your filthy desires are. Jesus clearly told (those of us who believe) that from the beginning God ordained 1 man and 1 woman (Mark 10:6,7)
@cqqrzgth Yep I agree with you its all about Gods word(s). So why do you twist them? Why do you pick and choose what to believe and what not to believe? If you believe in Gods word, start living like Christian.
Seek Christ, aks for help, repent - Christ will help you and show you the why - have faith.
God / Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, yet you think He did. Really read the Bible in context.
@chicraig6421 You're pathetic because when people go to your channel it's the same thing all over-- you arguing on faggot videos and gnashing your teeth against bible teachers that speak out against your filth. You're right DOWN there with child molesters and rapists.
@cqqrzgth Oh, and it's worth pointing out that the difference between child molestation and rape on the one hand, and homosexuality on the other, is that the former are INTRINSICALLY HARMFUL, and homosexuality isn't.
@taofist I really don't care what your OPINION of the levels of moral degeneracy are because in God's economy child molestation and homosexuality are BOTH abominations.
@cqqrzgth Right. You've just made my point for me. Your delusional Doctrine ("God's economy") renders you unable to discern the moral difference between homosexuality, child-molestation, and eating shellfish. The harm-criterion, and the role of empathy, are either overruled, or completely absent, leaving a moral stance that is, in effect, psychopathic.
Therefore, any attempts to impose it on others MUST, & WILL, be RELENTLESSLY opposed.
@taofist Sorry but "your point is just as "delusional" according to your own man made standard that YOU are trying to impose on me. I will go with the words of the resurrected Christ and deposit yours in the crappert where they belong!
@cqqrzgth Is that an "argument"? Everything I say here is based on testable premises. Yours seems to be based on Faith, which is NOT subject to testing.
As for your "resurrected Christ", if he exists outside your mind, logic would dictate that, to the extent that he supports your position, he suffers from the same technical psychopathy.
@cqqrzgth The standards of testing I am referring to are merely those used by the scientific method. You know, the same scientific method and supporting philosophies that helped produce the very technology we are using to have this debate, & which have, time & again, helped us gain some necessary objectivity over our individual limitations in that regard.
You are asserting claims about reality. The scientific approach is the most successful in determining the truth of those claims.
@taofist See idiot, when you conduct a "scientific method" you must begin with certain truths that have been "asserted" and proven already and when it comes to moral truths a standard has to be established with FIRST got it?
@cqqrzgth Glad you asked. The method arose from experience and results, revealing its superiority in revealing what's most likely to be real in the repeatability of those results.
As for morals and ethics, the test there is the effect they have on humans and society. That effect will also depend very much on the extent to which the moral construct is taking reality, including the realities of human nature, into account.
@cqqrzgth You said: "Oh, so when those "results" come in they're measured by what STANDARD?"
There's no room here to painstakingly educate you about the details of epistemological principles of evidence - you're gonna have to get some proper education. The short answer would be something like "that which gets the same results under the same circumstances".
@taofist I asked what the standard was and what I got was rhetoric. So, dumb ass, when you witness a experiment, by what standard do you determine the results? Please don't appeal to an ifininite regress of societal results to refer to.
@taofist See you can criticize my standard but it is based on the One who rose from the dead (Christ) and your's is based on...nothing but ASSumption.
@cqqrzgth Hmmm.... the Socratic Reductio you were using made you seem clever for a while, but you're not applying it to yourself, and you're not giving us anything new. Just the same tired old bundle of arbitrary premises, ill-defined & inadequately supported assertions & non-sequiturs, and emotional manipulation that the Church has used for centuries to take advantage of the naive, and which you, John M, and others are still using to bully homosexuals and others.
@cqqrzgth You said "Also, when those "results" affect humans and society, what is it that tells you that the "results" are good or bad?"
I would suggest that much of that would be about mutual agreement (this IS the SOCIAL realm we're dealing with, after all), but it's likely to involve an adequate balance between individual & collective health and happiness, which, in social animals like humans, will require the application of both science and empathy.
@chicraig6421 Names? What names? You're a fag right? Fags are men that practice their filthy, UNGODLY sexual practices on each other. So yes, all sexual deviants (fags, child molesters, etc) are the same. You're the sick pervert that spends most of your time on Youtube arguing with people about the vile things that you crave. See you clasim to be a "christian" yet you are in an unholy way of life that God indeed despises.
@cqqrzgth There you go again with the name calling...quite Your're a fag right?"
No Im a homosexual what are you? You are sure not following Christ's teaching are you?
Then you want to put all sexual deviates in the same box, and you include homosexuality but not heterosexuality. So again you are wrong as there is not difference between hetro or homosexuality except who they fall in love with. Then on you call me a sick pervert without knowing me. WOW very Christ like, are you a Christian?
@chicraig6421 1 Cor.6;9 says that people like you will not inherit the kingdom and I'm sorry that it's too plain for you but that is because people like you supress the truth in unrighteousness and so God has given you over to the vile lifestyle that you practice.
@cqqrzgth You really need to re-read, do it in context, ask Jesus for guidance. Cor does not talk about homosexuality. You, like John M are flat out wrong.
Neither Cor, or Tim, or Paul Romans, talks about homosexuality or homosexuality as sin.
And who are 'people like you'. People like me try to un-twist what you and the likes of John M twist - teaching crap Christianity is not what Jesus intended.
God loves all HIs kids, that all, including lesbians and gays, and transgendered etc etc etc.
Homosexualilty IS A SIN. stop living based on your feelings alone. Living is based on Gods a word, not yours. Don't be foolish. God is love but He is also righteous. He will judge you. Open His Word and see. John MacArthur is right on!!
@Bullitt4 Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Commandments nor did Jesus say one word about it. He DID 100% condemn the leaders of organized religion & their fanatican followers!
7 verses in the entire Bible mention gay sex; references to male prostitution, concubines & wild hedonism (using men & boys as sex toys), all common in the ancient world.
Being gay is NOT a sin, nor do gay sex acts have ANY religious context of themselves
@Bullitt4 Being gay is a choice made by God, when He creates some of His children to be homosexual. Once a person is born, he eventually comes to understand what his sexual orientation is, but of course, for the person, sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. Whether you are gay or str8, you are normal, natural, and the way God wants you to be. Enjoy your life. Jesus would want you to
John M I hope you can recall that God is Love and understand the bigotry of this video. I hope you recall the GOD MAKES NO MISTAKES and WE ARE CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE Clearly I was made in God's image when He made me gay. He did not make a mistake in my creation because He makes no mistake. I do not feel flawed or broken or sinful in my life. Homosexuality is not a choice. I was born gay and it's begots like you that made Jamey Rodemeyer and others kill themselves
@Remogogy If John M would preach the Bible in context as written I would not have a problem with him at all. John M is a bigot, preaches lies this is one good example. Homosexuality is not in the Bible it is not a sin.
I believe in the Bible when read in context and not twisted like John M does so well.
Homosexuality is not a sin, God loves all His kids includes John M, heterosexuals, homosexuals, and bi sexual and all the test as well.
John M I hope you can recall that God is Love and understand the bigotry of this video. I hope you recall the GOD MAKES NO MISTAKES and WE ARE CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE Clearly I was made in God's image when He made me gay. He did not make a mistake in my creation because He makes no mistake. I do not feel flawed or broken or sinful in my life. Homosexuality is not a choice. I was born gay and it's begots like you that made Jamey Rodemeyer and others kill themselves
I would argue if we are all God's children, made in his likeness and image, then to deny access to any sacrament based on sexuality is exactly the same thing as denying it based on skin color, or anything else. People get married "for their mutual joy, that's what religious people do: care for each other in spite of difficulty.In marriage, couples grow closer to God: Being with one another in community is how you love God. That's what marriage is about.
John M you lie in this vid, and seem to be a bigot, but God stills love you John.The Bible never mentions or condemns the concept we call same-sex marriage. Although opponents of same-sex marriage claim that lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender unions violate biblical principles, no verses in the Bible explicitly address gay marriage or committed same-sex relationships
John M you lie in this vid, and seem to be a bigot, but God stills love you John.The Bible never mentions or condemns the concept we call same-sex marriage. Although opponents of same-sex marriage claim that lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender unions violate biblical principles, no verses in the Bible explicitly address gay marriage or committed same-sex relationships
John M you lie in this vid, and seem to be a bigot, but God stills love you John.The Bible never mentions or condemns the concept we call same-sex marriage. Although opponents of same-sex marriage claim that lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender unions violate biblical principles, no verses in the Bible explicitly address gay marriage or committed same-sex relationships
You cannot preach the old laws which Jesus Christ broke when he died on the cross. When they were about to stone a woman Jesus said that whoever has not sinned be the first to throw the stone but everybody was guilty so they walked away. The reason why Jesus broke the law is because nobody can follow such laws and thats why we are saved by his grace and not by our works. God bless you.
@chicraig6421 The bible says not to kill somone who repents. The men never listend to see if the woman would rpeent. The men who wanted to stone the woman were not taking the man who commited adultery with the woman and stoning him as well. Jesus wrote the man's name in the dirt and they did not listen. So He wrote their own sins which showed they were worthy of being stoned as well and they walked away. Jesus did not do away with the Law of Moses being enforced by the state.
Isn't it lovely how YOUR God always stands for the things YOU like? For example, God orders YOU to be judgmental, He orders YOU to put OTHERS in their place, and He holds YOU blameless.
By God's rules, YOU get to shine, while He commissions YOU to point fingers at OTHERS. How can you not love this arrangement?
Christianity is a sick hoax, and those entangled in it are embracing injustice, unfairness and divisions. The root of mankind's problems is with YOUR perverted faith in ignorance!
ITs NOT ONLY SIN AGAINST GOD BUT AGAINST OUR NATURE.What's surprising is how people still trying to say gay is right when to start with its not even normal!.
@ChristRoyalHousehold You said -ITs NOT ONLY SIN AGAINST GOD BUT AGAINST OUR NATURE.- Well really, 1st its not a sin, homosexuality is not in the Bible. Actually sin is sin, hetro and homosexual sin is the same (the only difference is who they fall in love with).
2nd. Nature, really, God created gays or they would not walk His earth. So why you talk about Gods creation / nature is beyond me.
Did you know God loves all His kids including the hetor, bi, homosexual, and transsexual, as well.
1 Corin 6:9, 10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of GOD? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor extortioners will inherit the Kingdom of GOD. We must be washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the LORD JESUS and by the SPIRIT of our GOD (1 Corin 6:11) and read 1 Tim:1-10. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! GOD Bless!!!
@thechickable Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Commandments nor did Jesus say one word about it. He DID 100% condemn the leaders of organized religion & their fanatican followers!
7 verses in the entire Bible mention gay sex; references to male prostitution, concubines & wild hedonism (using men & boys as sex toys), all common in the ancient world.
Being gay is NOT a sin, nor do gay sex acts have ANY religious context of themselves
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, your life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
Try this experiment: Become a homosexual with genuine feelings of attraction to someone of the same sex (assuming you are a heterosexual of course). If you are able to do this then you know that, for you at least, it is a choice. Don't worry, you can change back too if it's a choice. Fail, and it's pretty clear sexuality is not a choice for you
Being gay is a choice made by God, when He creates some of His children to be homosexual. Once a person is born, he eventually comes to understand what his sexual orientation is, but of course, for the person, sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. Whether you are gay or str8, you are normal, natural, and the way God wants you to be. Enjoy your life. Jesus would want you to.
STICKING YOUR PENIS UP THE RECTUM AND CALLING IT "LOVE" IS A PERVERSION !!!!!" THOU SHALT NOT LIE WITH A WOMEN AS WITH A MAN: IT IS AN ABOMINATION AND YOU INFECTED QUEERS WILL SURELY BE PUT TO HELL" LEV:20:13. IT IS WRITTEN, AMEN.
@ywillburn Thanks for you cap post. However gays are not the only ones to and I quote -STICKING YOUR PENIS UP THE RECTUM AND CALLING IT "LOVE" IS A PERVERSION !!!!!" Straights do it to.
Oh you should know Lev died with Jesus on the cross.
God loves all His kids, includes the homosexual kind.
@chicraig6421 sure god loves all his children. that is not the question.the question is: ANAL SEX IS UNNATURAL, SPREADS STD/AIDS AND IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE USED THAT WAY. DO YOU DRINK OUT OF THE TOILET?????? THAT IS WHY GOD CALLED IT "AN ABOMINATION" SOMETHING DETESTIBLE IN HIS EYES !!!! ENJOY YOUR PERVERTED SEX WITH SATAN AND THAT PITCH FORK !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
@ywillburn If the question is anal sex as you say, then why only talk about 'the gay' when hetros have anal sex as well. And this may surprise you, but some male homosexuals do not have anal sex, same with lesbians.
And you are wrong God did not call 'it' and abomination, man did.
With al the HAHAHAHA, do you really think thats Christ like or maybe you are not a Christian.
God doesn't even know about tobacco, potatoes or gravity. Furthermore, God can't stop hurricanes from coming, nor does he have any power at all to aid humans in any way.
Isn't it time for the old fart to end His perpetual coffe break and get da hell back to work?
God is a loser. A total idiot.
Oops, I forgot. He is an invention of power hungry humans. Never mind.
Those complaining the loudest about gays and their "lifestyle" are the most likely ones to run into the bushes to meet with some hustler for a quickie.
Thou protesteth too much...one might wonder!
The problem with gay marriage is there is no problem.
The problem with hate obesessed preachers is that they are not taxed. THAT might fix their arrogance and their chronic busibodylitis. Want to mix and mingle with politics and laws of the land? Pay your fair share in taxes then!
Being gay is a choice made by God, when He creates some of His children to be homosexual. Once a person is born, he eventually comes to understand what his sexual orientation is, but of course, for the person, sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. Whether you are gay or str8, you are normal, natural, and the way God wants you to be. Enjoy your life. Jesus would want you to.
You should not write in all capital letters. Rather than emphasizing your point, writing in all capital letters actually detracts from what you are trying to say.
I say fuck civilization if that means we have to stone people to death for non-violent acts to maintain it. As a Christian, he should understand that civilization is doomed, for many other reasons not even having to do with homosexuality or sexuality in general. Jesus was the one who said "which of ye who is without sin cast the first stone". I think these pastors focus way too much on homosexuality and not enough on the general greed that's consuming us. ...probably because they're in on it.
John M what you really mean is that anyone who disgrees with you isn't a TRUE Christian. That's the exact line of reasoning used by the Inquisition to justify torturing & burning Protestants at the stake, and by Protestants to justify tortring & killing Catholics. That's what the "good Christians" of Carthage, IL used to justify the murder of Joseph Smith.
That's exactly what our Founders opposed when they set up the seperation of church & state.
IN GOD'S EYES AND BASED ON COMMON SENSE, NATURE, MORAL VALUES, AND DECENCY its an abomination IT CAN DESTROY THE SOCIETY FROM THE ROOT its the worse plague that ever hit human race WE HAVE A MOVEMENT COMING FROM RUSSIA AND ARABIC WORLD TO PUT AN END TO THIS SHAMEFUL MOVEMENT (practice being gay) lulu.com/spotlight/helenohenzo
@THEHELENOHENZO I don't think we should kill homosexuals as those movements you speak of do. It may be a social ill, but we need to try to get homosexuals to turn from their lustful sins through love, not force and violence.
MacArthur attempts to divide the Body of Christ -(Romans 16 :17-18), and uses people's confusion to line his greedy pockets with their money. Like a skull-like harpy , chattering through a pair of bad fitting dentures,-he does the Devil's work by attempting to play Christians off against one another through lies and deceit. He takes others words out of context- he then quotes Sacred Scripture out of context, perverting it's Holy message for his own sick greed and evil--Matt 7 :15-22.
Since you are going to insult me, allow me to insult you...Christian. Learn how to speak English using its proper phonetics and tonal inflection. You sound like a redneck! Therefore, how do you expect people to take you seriously when you speak as if you lack intelligence?
@j4unumber1 SALVATION IS BASED ON WHAT YOU DO - IN GOD'S EYES AND BASED ON COMMON SENSE, NATURE, MORAL VALUES, AND DECENCY its an abomination IT CAN DESTROY THE SOCIETY FROM THE ROOT its the worse plague that ever hit human race WE HAVE A MOVEMENT COMING FROM RUSSIA AND ARABIC WORLD TO PUT AN END TO THIS SHAMEFUL MOVEMENT (practice being gay) lulu.com/spotlight/helenohenzo
@THEHELENOHENZO Your theology is wrong as is John M Read the Bible in context to find the truth Homosexuality is not a sin, its not an abomination, homosexuality does not make one dis-ordered God created all, includes the homosexual Im married to my same sex parther-Iowa Why you dare question what God created-'the gay' is beyond me. Read in context
God loves all His kids including the homosexuals You may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does but the effect is the same.
@chicraig6421 Leviticus 18:22 “Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin! IF YOU NOT ATTRACTED TO WOMAN, JUST BE SINGLE God put bad and good things in front of you ON UNDERSTANDING BE AN ADULT being gay is not just a sin but terrible one (God called it abomination) I expect a 10 years boy to know that BECAUSE IT IS COMMON SENSE Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination.- lulu.com/spotlight/helenohenzo
Its animalistic, much like any type of promiscuous sex, and I think were supposed to evolve past that as humans. I think that's one of our purposes anyway. Our culture promotes all types of promiscuity, including masturbation, which is also a sin that should be avoided. There's way too much acceptance of pornography, which is exploitative of women. It goes beyond just homosexuality to a lot of things.
@THEHELENOHENZO Thats however, Lev died with Jesus on the cross, He said that, you need to read the Bible. Oh except for the 10 laws written in stone.
FYI - I am married to my same sex partner - Iowa - in a Christian Church by and Christian minister, in front of God. I will not give up my relationship with Christ because you think homosexuality is a sin when it is not.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexuals.
@kolawole13303 You read Paul's letters in context and learn - homosexuality is not a sin its not in the Bible. Note: homosexual sex acts are in the Bible - not homosexuality, there is a difference. Prior to 1952, the 1st time the actual work homosexual appeared in any Bible anywhere (fact check me). 2 Greek words were translated sodomy. Again fact check me-sodomy means anal intercourse man or man or man or women-no difference. So tell the truth, stop the crap Christian teaching.
@THEHELENOHENZO Homosexuality is a sin because it disrupts God's plan to multiply His kingdom and causes societal problems in the world today. It can even lead to other sins such as lying, adultery and even murder. No wonder it's so terrible.
@zerogullibility I agree with you. If you look at Christian history -and Im a Christian- it is so bloody and hateful. I believe when homosexuality is no longer a sin in most, instead of some, Christians beliefs, they will have to find someone / something else to pick on. History, burn witches, support - KKK, The 3rd Reich, the holocaust, segregation, slavery - the Bible was used to condemn interracial marriage similar to gay marriage.
But, God loves all HIs kids, including he gay kind.
Submission starts with disagreement. Faith is the salve that believes use to lessen the itch disobey or disqualify what is painfully obvious.
OT
Leviticus 18:22: You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
NT
1 Corinthians 6:9:Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
@turnip904 OT as a Christian u should know it died with Jesus on the Cross, except for the 10 laws written in stone. If you choose to us Lev, why do you only pick and choose that verse?
Cor-yep noting there about homosexuals, except for the mis-translated words. You as a Christian should know the re-translation of 2 Greek words were changed to say homosexual and they never did b4 1952. So go back to a Bible printed in the 40s to see what Cor says.
@chicraig6421 OT didnt die. Mt 5:17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Sacrifice for sin ended.Is 1:11 Says the LORD. I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle; And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.
Hb 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
@turnip904 Yes....to fulfill....what do you think that means = OT is dead, except for the 10 laws written stone. Really stop twisting.
So thanks for making my case.
Homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible nor did Jesus say 1 word about this oh so very important topic. Yep thats why so many Christians, so many Churches and so many denominations now read the Bible without twisting scripture like John M does.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexual kinds.
@chicraig6421 So Jesus did what he said he didn't come to do? To abolish= end. To fulfill= fullness. Restraint is the way an all knowing God expresses his love for us who are blind. Paul pleads with us not to go on sinning because grace abounds. God has not changed. He will not be mocked. My personal desires and reasoning must succumb to scripture as proof that I am His. God loves those whom he chastens.
@turnip904 Go in peace my friend, and my God shine His light on you.
I am fine with my faith, beliefs and spirituality. What was the authentic message of Christ for us? Jesus put us all here, 2000+ yrs have passed since He died on Golgotha, sine He rose. Essentially I'm walking away from crap religious interpretations of Christianity that some churches(and John M) teach. I will not walk away from my relationship with Christ.
@turnip904 No, God hasn't changed, but our understanding of God HAS changed dramatically. Jesus came to tell us "no, what you say God is, this list of rules and 'purity codes' and thinking God is vengeful and has favorite people, it's all wrong. God loves you all, and the only law of God is to treat others with love." God is NOT the sick rules of the Old Testament, those were man-made.
"Succumbing to scripture" doesn't prove you're God's, only that you're foolish.
@chicraig6421 There's nothing ambivalent about Romans 1:26-27 and there is no doubt about translation of that passage from the original Greek to English. The Apostle Paul writing under inspiration of God undeniably condemns both male and female homosexual acts. But that doesn't mean homosexual sin is worse than heterosexual sin such as adultery. A homosexual can repent of ALL sin and be saved by confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead, Ro. 10:9
@minralb 1st yes there is much about the translation of the passages from Greek to English. Words have meaning & consequences, thus the re-translations of two Greek words to homosexual, that were never translated that way prior to 1952 sure do make a difference. 2nd Paul was writing to Rome, begging for $ and also talking about what he saw, teaching Christ, and knowing Rome was 'ok' with pederasty.
Homosexuality is not a sin, its not want Paul was talking about-thats why context is important.
@chicraig6421 IN GOD'S EYES AND BASED ON COMMON SENSE, NATURE, MORAL VALUES, AND DECENCY its an abomination IT CAN DESTROY THE SOCIETY FROM THE ROOT its the worse plague that ever hit human race WE HAVE A MOVEMENT COMING FROM RUSSIA AND ARABIC WORLD TO PUT AN END TO THIS SHAMEFUL MOVEMENT (practice being gay) lulu.com/spotlight/helenohenzo
John M try this experiment: Become a homosexual with genuine feelings of attraction to someone of the same sex (assuming you are a heterosexual of course). If you are able to do this then you know that, for you at least, it is a choice. Don't worry, you can change back too if it's a choice. Fail, and it's pretty clear sexuality is not a choice for you.
Really John M stop the crap.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 Your sick and twisted "feelings of attraction" are just the same as the sick and twisted desires of a murderer or some other filthy sexual pervert. The problem is that you have never been redeemed because your idolotrous heart still craves the filth that opposes the Lord.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth I know, I'm pointing out the bleedin' obvious here, but nothing you just said has any truth-value at all. It was just pure hate-speech.
taofist 1 week ago
@taofist I know because truth seems like hate to those who hate truth. You have no measure to determine truth anyway.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth The measure is science, and the basic laws of epistemology... one of which is that a book can't prove very much by itself. Another is that the highly unlikely (eg the "supernatural") needs a proportionate amount of quality evidence to prove its existence. Your Doctrine fails as plausible fact; as a belief-system, it qualifies as delusional. That's why you are on here, doing harm, believing that you are doing good.
taofist 1 week ago 5
@taofist You mean "basic laws" and other things that you presuppose as a standard of measure? Oh sure, we'll just excuse you and grant those things without question...NOT!
cqqrzgth 6 days ago
@taofist See you have no basis of judging the rights and wrongs of others without a moral guide that is outside of yourself or mankind. Your standard is man made and thus it is relative and no better than anyone elses.
cqqrzgth 6 days ago
@cqqrzgth Your discourse remains relentlessly incorrect. Especially laughable is the standard church-propagated fallacy that we need some "God-Book" of moral rules to escape the "horror" of absolute relativism.
(cont...)
taofist 6 days ago
@taofist Thanks for completely dancing around the question. I do love your veiled presuppositions that you rely on so heavily though. See you have no support for ANYTHING that you ASSerted, thanks for sharing your worthelss opinion though.
cqqrzgth 5 days ago
@cqqrzgth Ha ha! You've just described yourself! Perhaps we'll let the audience decide... :)
taofist 5 days ago
@taofist Don't flatter yourself idiot, you don't have an "audience".
cqqrzgth 5 days ago
@cqqrzgth (cont...)
The truth is that moral/ethical beliefs and methods have both a contextual relativism, and a nature-based archetypal underpinning that makes certain basic principles arise in morality no matter WHAT the culture or religion. People like Jesus were actually trying to point this out (you know -"be guided by empathy""help others"etc) - but idiots like YOU turned him into a "God" instead, and used his authority to harm others like u r doing now...
taofist 6 days ago
@taofist So no, I am not wrong because God's clear word prevails. It's trash like you that have to work so hard to twist it to soothe your itching degenerate ears.
cqqrzgth 5 days ago
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taofist 5 days ago
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@cqqrzgth The Bible only ALLEGES it's "God's Word". It doesn't PROVE that it is. Go back to Epistemology I.
taofist 5 days ago 8
@cqqrzgth My sick and twisted feelings of attraction. Well yet another FYI, I have been with my same sex partner for over 17 years; and ya know what, yep I still have feelings of attraction for my man."what therefore God has joined together, let no man separate" (Mark 10:9). We are married - Iowa oh in a Christian Church in front of God.
Wow you say some filthy sexual pervert - I know you don't mean that, as that would not be a Christian thing to say would it?
God bless you
chicraig6421 6 days ago
@chicraig6421 I don't care where you were married, your "marriage" is void in God's economy and He does NOT honor that UNholy arrangement. God hasn't "joined" anything for you, you are in a perpetually sinful alliance. The only person that honors that filthy "marriage" is the devil.
cqqrzgth 6 days ago
@cqqrzgth Wow there u go speaking for God again, just what gives you that power to speak for God? Did you ever read Proverbs 19:9? Do you see the error of your ways?
Why do you just pick and choose what to believe in the Bible? Do you really fell you are living like Christ taught us? Have you looked in the mirror and to see if that person is a Christian?
God loves you, me and all His kids, and yes he was present at my marriage to my same sex partner. Sorry you are flat out wrong and you know it
chicraig6421 6 days ago
@chicraig6421 I believe the bible as a whole and that includes the things that the flesh doesn't like but you see filthy sodomites like you do abide in God's word because it is merely a tool that you use to try and appease your conscience. You're not His "kid" and your ungodly, UNholy union is an abomination. It's sad that you spend most of your time on YT arguing with people to fight off the truth about your lifestyle.
cqqrzgth 5 days ago
To put it this way
"It ain't okay to be gay/ Don't rejoice with the boys in the gay way."
Read the New Testament, it condemns homosexuality just as much as the Old Testament.
bobo577 1 week ago
@bobo577 You are flat out wrong. Homosexuality is not a sin, God created all and guess what that includes homosexuals. Why you want to erase Gods creation (only the gay type however) is wrong, un-Christian and not what Jesus intended.
Read the Bible in context, there is nothing that about homosexuality being a sin.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 Funny how you faggots have to go around arguing with people that your disgusting practices are ok. Keep telling yourself that liar.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth You call me a faggot. You can do better than that. Go ahead try some hate speech, it might make you feel good. How about queer, or fag, or fruit, come on get creative. Oh wait, I forgot you r a Christian, or are you? Where or where did Jesus teach us to call people names, use hate speech, did I miss that in the Bible? Don't lower yourself to the level of John M, he is a bigot.
God loves all His kids including the faggot type.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 Let me get one thing straight, I don't hate you but I hate Homosexuality. Did not Jesus not uphold the law and fulfill what we could not?
bobo577 1 week ago
I would argue if we are all God's children, made in his likeness and image, then to deny access to any sacrament based on sexuality is exactly the same thing as denying it based on skin color, or anything else. People get married "for their mutual joy, that's what religious people do: care for each other in spite of difficulty.In marriage, couples grow closer to God: Being with one another in community is how you love God. That's what marriage is about.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 Interesting how you say it's not a sin when the word of God says it IS! I really don't care what your opinion of my christianity because that coming from an unrepentant immoral practitioner means nothing.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth Thats exactly my point, the word of God does not say homosexuality is a sin, its not in the Bible. Nor did Jesus say 1 word about it, not 1. Nor did Jesus condemn homosexuals, or homosexual marriage. Actually Jesus was for people getting married for their mutual joy, thats what religious people do, care for each other. Couples grow closer to God, being 1 with community is how one loves God. Read the Bible learn. Homosexuality is not a sin, nor is homosexuals getting married a sin.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 Learn to read its all over the place
gilbert4321 1 week ago
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@gilbert4321 you said - Learn to read its all over the place -
FYI there are only 7 verses out of the entire Bibles well over 360,000 verses that are used to say homosexuality is a sin, when none of them actually say that at all.
Where is homosexuality all over the place? Actually its not in the Bible its not a sin.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 Yes it does and that stupid argument about Jesus not saying "a word about it" is a weak and wicked twisting of His word. You see Jesus is the author of all scripture so every passage that rebukes your foul sin is His word so YES, Jesus did say somehting about it. He said that homosexuals will NOT inherit the kingdom.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth Im sorry but fact is Jesus said not 1 word about homosexuality, not 1.
Nor did Paul for that matter, Nor did Tim for that matter. Its not in Romans, or Cor; its really not in the Bible.
No were in the Bible did He, Jesus say homosexuals will NOT inherit the kingdom, there u go again making stuff up, and saying its Gospel when its not. If you are a Christian, try being more Christ like.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
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Like some cadaverous skull spewing stupidity and ignorance through a pair of bad fitting dentures, MacArthur quotes Scripture out of context on this and every other social issue he attempts to make money off of. A pathetically weak and ignorant man- he will have much to answer for. The San Francisco mayor came off looking intelligent-MacArthur, as always, exposes himself for what he is--John 8:44 was written for him and his sick followers.
rickw1100 1 week ago
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rickw1100 1 week ago
John MacArthur is the living embodiment of of Matt. 7 : 15-22.
rickw1100 1 week ago
@rickw1100 You're the living embodiment of Romans 1:18-32
RUUNDD 1 week ago
@RUUNDD LOL! - and God inspired words like this to describe individuals like you
Job 11:12. and God is never wrong.
rickw1100 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 my friend when I was referring to atheists I meant those that deny that God exists.The bible has judged and states the reward for SUCH in no uncertain terms,no need for me to do that.And as far as gays...as MacArthur states at 4:48...the bible again speaks in no uncertain terms.And if you think that is HATING??I will never apologize for something the Word of God has stated or made clear.
69cascade 1 week ago in playlist John MacArthur
@69cascade You do not need to apologize to me, my friend. Only God can judge not you. I do not agree with you or John M as you well know. If the Bible is read in context, and John M should know this, homosexuality is not there, its not a sin. You and some, not even most, Christians are flat out wrong. This and so many other Christians know you are wrong; we know homosexuality is not a sin. And yes preaching like John M does hateful, not helpful he pushes people away from Christ. Not Jesus like
chicraig6421 1 week ago
To all the atheists on here.Your impending appointment before the judgement seat of Jesus Christ has once again drawn 1 day closer.
69cascade 1 week ago in playlist John MacArthur
@69cascade as has your day of judgement drawn 1 day closer. You cannot judge as you are doing, only God can judge. Guess what God will judge you and me, do you really think He will judge us differently? If you do, you need to re-read the Bible.
God loves all His kids including the gay kind.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
I gave a good rating only due to larry king trying to reason with religious IDIOTS !
flexbrat 2 weeks ago
the bible the worst piece of shit I have ever had the misfortune to read ! all bullshit !
flexbrat 2 weeks ago
Hey idiots: There is no god, there is no hell, suck all the dick you want.
AtheistRex 2 weeks ago
Did he Just say God is Authoritarian?
TheJackGinger 2 weeks ago
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, your life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
@chicraig6421 No God does NOT love you just the way you are, God loves people Despite of what they are and that includes the UNgodly practice of homosexuality. When people are saved they desire the things of God not the sleaze of the world ie, homosexuality.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth Wow ungodly practice of homosexuality, interesting you call homosexuality ungodly when it is not a sin, and God created homosexuals. Just how do u do that, and then it seems you know what God made holy and unholy. Wow
It seems to me if you are a Christian, you either strayed from the faith, need to re-read the Bible, and / or repent and ask Christ for help.
And I agree God loves all His creations, thats all, and that includes the practicing homosexuals (who love just like you do)
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 I don't need to "re-read" the bible because it is clear and you don't like it but that's ok because you will stand before God someday and give an account for your perversion of it.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth Yes I will stand before God one day as will you. - I don't actually think we'll be standing however - I have no fear of that, God made me who I am, loves as I am, and knows me better then myself.
May God bless and help you.
God loves all HIs kids, that all, including the homosexual kind. Wonder if John M knows that.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 You won't be standing, you'll be cursing Him and gnashing your teeth because He won't be the "god" that you carved in your filthy mind.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth Interesting how you not only know what God thinks and will say, you also know what I will do. Wow just how do you do that. R U sure U R a Christian, I don't think what you are doing / saying here is very Christ like. Look in a mirror.
Homosexuality is not a sin. I know you want it to be, but it is not.
May God bless you
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 Yes, we know a lot about what He thinks because He has revealed it in His word such as the FACT that God created a man and a woman and decreed that they be fruitful and multiply. Notice that God did not create another queer and say "Be fruits without the ability to multiply.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth Yes I agree God created man and women, He also created you and me, and He created me gay. Sorry you cant change God's work, and He does not make a mistake. I am not a mistake, I'm Gods child same as you
Gee is that hard for you to hear? Sorry.
Stop the hate, live like a Christian. Stop pushing people away from Christianly, do what Jesus taught, not what John M teaches.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
@chicraig6421 You're a sinner and you have chosen the sin of homosexuality as your outlet for your deviant desires just as the liar or the murderer or the child molester. Christ established ONE plan and that is for ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, period and your foul practice is NOT one of God's options. The only thing I am pushing people away from is your RELIGION that worships the SIN of HOMOsexuality.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth You are flat out wrong, and I think you know it. Homosexuality is no more or less a sin then heterosexually is a sin.
FYI - Christ established no plan re:marriage. As a matter of fact I'm married to my same sex partner - Iowa.
Another FYI my religion is Christianity, what is yours, its sure not Christianity. Do you have the devil in ya, you need to repent big time.
God loves all His kids, thats all - not pick and choose like you are doing.
chicraig6421 6 days ago
@chicraig6421 No I'm not wrong because it's not about me it's about God's word and God's word is right and it's YOU that is wrong because Jesus Christ is not your God, your filthy desires are. Jesus clearly told (those of us who believe) that from the beginning God ordained 1 man and 1 woman (Mark 10:6,7)
cqqrzgth 6 days ago
@cqqrzgth Yep I agree with you its all about Gods word(s). So why do you twist them? Why do you pick and choose what to believe and what not to believe? If you believe in Gods word, start living like Christian.
Seek Christ, aks for help, repent - Christ will help you and show you the why - have faith.
God / Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, yet you think He did. Really read the Bible in context.
chicraig6421 6 days ago
@chicraig6421 You're pathetic because when people go to your channel it's the same thing all over-- you arguing on faggot videos and gnashing your teeth against bible teachers that speak out against your filth. You're right DOWN there with child molesters and rapists.
cqqrzgth 5 days ago
@cqqrzgth Oh, and it's worth pointing out that the difference between child molestation and rape on the one hand, and homosexuality on the other, is that the former are INTRINSICALLY HARMFUL, and homosexuality isn't.
taofist 5 days ago
@taofist I really don't care what your OPINION of the levels of moral degeneracy are because in God's economy child molestation and homosexuality are BOTH abominations.
cqqrzgth 5 days ago
@cqqrzgth Right. You've just made my point for me. Your delusional Doctrine ("God's economy") renders you unable to discern the moral difference between homosexuality, child-molestation, and eating shellfish. The harm-criterion, and the role of empathy, are either overruled, or completely absent, leaving a moral stance that is, in effect, psychopathic.
Therefore, any attempts to impose it on others MUST, & WILL, be RELENTLESSLY opposed.
taofist 4 days ago
@taofist Sorry but "your point is just as "delusional" according to your own man made standard that YOU are trying to impose on me. I will go with the words of the resurrected Christ and deposit yours in the crappert where they belong!
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
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taofist 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth Is that an "argument"? Everything I say here is based on testable premises. Yours seems to be based on Faith, which is NOT subject to testing.
As for your "resurrected Christ", if he exists outside your mind, logic would dictate that, to the extent that he supports your position, he suffers from the same technical psychopathy.
taofist 4 days ago
@taofist "Testable premises"...HELLO? In order to conduct a "test" you must still begin with a standard with which to measure...OOPS.
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth The standards of testing I am referring to are merely those used by the scientific method. You know, the same scientific method and supporting philosophies that helped produce the very technology we are using to have this debate, & which have, time & again, helped us gain some necessary objectivity over our individual limitations in that regard.
You are asserting claims about reality. The scientific approach is the most successful in determining the truth of those claims.
taofist 4 days ago
@taofist "scientific method"? And on what basis was that "method" established?
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
@taofist See idiot, when you conduct a "scientific method" you must begin with certain truths that have been "asserted" and proven already and when it comes to moral truths a standard has to be established with FIRST got it?
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth Glad you asked. The method arose from experience and results, revealing its superiority in revealing what's most likely to be real in the repeatability of those results.
As for morals and ethics, the test there is the effect they have on humans and society. That effect will also depend very much on the extent to which the moral construct is taking reality, including the realities of human nature, into account.
taofist 4 days ago
@taofist Oh, so when those "results" come in they're measured by what STANDARD?
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth You said: "Oh, so when those "results" come in they're measured by what STANDARD?"
There's no room here to painstakingly educate you about the details of epistemological principles of evidence - you're gonna have to get some proper education. The short answer would be something like "that which gets the same results under the same circumstances".
taofist 4 days ago
@taofist Sorry but your ad hominems are useless douche bag. You need to deal with your dilema about your presuppositions that you want me to assume.
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
@taofist I asked what the standard was and what I got was rhetoric. So, dumb ass, when you witness a experiment, by what standard do you determine the results? Please don't appeal to an ifininite regress of societal results to refer to.
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth Repeatability.
taofist 4 days ago
@taofist See you can criticize my standard but it is based on the One who rose from the dead (Christ) and your's is based on...nothing but ASSumption.
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth Hmmm.... the Socratic Reductio you were using made you seem clever for a while, but you're not applying it to yourself, and you're not giving us anything new. Just the same tired old bundle of arbitrary premises, ill-defined & inadequately supported assertions & non-sequiturs, and emotional manipulation that the Church has used for centuries to take advantage of the naive, and which you, John M, and others are still using to bully homosexuals and others.
Shame on you all!!!
taofist 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth gtg teach Tai Chi. See u back here in a few hours. :)
taofist 4 days ago
@taofist Also, when those "results" affect humans and society, what is it that tells you that the "results" are good or bad?
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
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@cqqrzgth You said "Also, when those "results" affect humans and society, what is it that tells you that the "results" are good or bad?"
I would suggest that much of that would be about mutual agreement (this IS the SOCIAL realm we're dealing with, after all), but it's likely to involve an adequate balance between individual & collective health and happiness, which, in social animals like humans, will require the application of both science and empathy.
taofist 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth Wow you call me pathetic, are you a Christian? You call people names, wonder what Christ would have to say about that.
Then you call me a faggot, really if you going to call people names at least make it really good and hurtful, just like Jesus would do, correct?
Can you tell me why you put me down with child molesters and rapists? Is that what Christ teaches you do to?
Sorry you don't like it when people try to un-twist Holy Scripture, which I will continue to do
God loves all of us
chicraig6421 4 days ago
@chicraig6421 Names? What names? You're a fag right? Fags are men that practice their filthy, UNGODLY sexual practices on each other. So yes, all sexual deviants (fags, child molesters, etc) are the same. You're the sick pervert that spends most of your time on Youtube arguing with people about the vile things that you crave. See you clasim to be a "christian" yet you are in an unholy way of life that God indeed despises.
cqqrzgth 4 days ago
@cqqrzgth There you go again with the name calling...quite Your're a fag right?"
No Im a homosexual what are you? You are sure not following Christ's teaching are you?
Then you want to put all sexual deviates in the same box, and you include homosexuality but not heterosexuality. So again you are wrong as there is not difference between hetro or homosexuality except who they fall in love with. Then on you call me a sick pervert without knowing me. WOW very Christ like, are you a Christian?
chicraig6421 4 days ago
@chicraig6421 1 Cor.6;9 says that people like you will not inherit the kingdom and I'm sorry that it's too plain for you but that is because people like you supress the truth in unrighteousness and so God has given you over to the vile lifestyle that you practice.
cqqrzgth 1 week ago
@cqqrzgth You really need to re-read, do it in context, ask Jesus for guidance. Cor does not talk about homosexuality. You, like John M are flat out wrong.
Neither Cor, or Tim, or Paul Romans, talks about homosexuality or homosexuality as sin.
And who are 'people like you'. People like me try to un-twist what you and the likes of John M twist - teaching crap Christianity is not what Jesus intended.
God loves all HIs kids, that all, including lesbians and gays, and transgendered etc etc etc.
chicraig6421 1 week ago
so kushner is an annhilationist?
ariisbest2 2 weeks ago
God made those gay people gay. As it says in Matthew 19:12
InvalidNun 2 weeks ago
@PrinceFelipe
You need to repent, because your Christian lifestyle has perverted your heart and it's taken over your mind.
Christianity is a false religion!
j4unumber1 3 weeks ago
@j4unumber1 Jesus is the only way to heaven.
MrEnlighteneddespot 2 weeks ago
@MrEnlighteneddespot
I thought worshiping Ahura Mazda was the only way to heaven. That is what Zoroaster said.
j4unumber1 2 weeks ago
Homosexualilty IS A SIN. stop living based on your feelings alone. Living is based on Gods a word, not yours. Don't be foolish. God is love but He is also righteous. He will judge you. Open His Word and see. John MacArthur is right on!!
Bullitt4 3 weeks ago
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@Bullitt4 Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Commandments nor did Jesus say one word about it. He DID 100% condemn the leaders of organized religion & their fanatican followers!
7 verses in the entire Bible mention gay sex; references to male prostitution, concubines & wild hedonism (using men & boys as sex toys), all common in the ancient world.
Being gay is NOT a sin, nor do gay sex acts have ANY religious context of themselves
chicraig6421 3 weeks ago 16
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@Bullitt4 Being gay is a choice made by God, when He creates some of His children to be homosexual. Once a person is born, he eventually comes to understand what his sexual orientation is, but of course, for the person, sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. Whether you are gay or str8, you are normal, natural, and the way God wants you to be. Enjoy your life. Jesus would want you to
chicraig6421 2 weeks ago
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John M I hope you can recall that God is Love and understand the bigotry of this video. I hope you recall the GOD MAKES NO MISTAKES and WE ARE CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE Clearly I was made in God's image when He made me gay. He did not make a mistake in my creation because He makes no mistake. I do not feel flawed or broken or sinful in my life. Homosexuality is not a choice. I was born gay and it's begots like you that made Jamey Rodemeyer and others kill themselves
God will judge you cannot John
chicraig6421 4 weeks ago 20
If any of you have a problem with the things John MacArthur says , In actuality you have a problem with what the Bible says.
Because everything he says and affirms is scriptural.
so your problem is with the word of God.
And if you say you don't believe the Bible is Gods word ,Then you condemn yourself out of your own lips.
Ignore the warnings in scripture to your own eternal horror.
Remogogy 1 month ago
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@Remogogy If John M would preach the Bible in context as written I would not have a problem with him at all. John M is a bigot, preaches lies this is one good example. Homosexuality is not in the Bible it is not a sin.
I believe in the Bible when read in context and not twisted like John M does so well.
Homosexuality is not a sin, God loves all His kids includes John M, heterosexuals, homosexuals, and bi sexual and all the test as well.
chicraig6421 4 weeks ago
this guy is a moron
willieramsey21 1 month ago
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John M I hope you can recall that God is Love and understand the bigotry of this video. I hope you recall the GOD MAKES NO MISTAKES and WE ARE CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE Clearly I was made in God's image when He made me gay. He did not make a mistake in my creation because He makes no mistake. I do not feel flawed or broken or sinful in my life. Homosexuality is not a choice. I was born gay and it's begots like you that made Jamey Rodemeyer and others kill themselves
God will judge you cannot John
chicraig6421 1 month ago
I would argue if we are all God's children, made in his likeness and image, then to deny access to any sacrament based on sexuality is exactly the same thing as denying it based on skin color, or anything else. People get married "for their mutual joy, that's what religious people do: care for each other in spite of difficulty.In marriage, couples grow closer to God: Being with one another in community is how you love God. That's what marriage is about.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
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John M you lie in this vid, and seem to be a bigot, but God stills love you John.The Bible never mentions or condemns the concept we call same-sex marriage. Although opponents of same-sex marriage claim that lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender unions violate biblical principles, no verses in the Bible explicitly address gay marriage or committed same-sex relationships
God loves all His kids including the gay kind
chicraig6421 1 month ago
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John M you lie in this vid, and seem to be a bigot, but God stills love you John.The Bible never mentions or condemns the concept we call same-sex marriage. Although opponents of same-sex marriage claim that lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender unions violate biblical principles, no verses in the Bible explicitly address gay marriage or committed same-sex relationships
God loves all His kids including the gay kind
chicraig6421 1 month ago
John M you lie in this vid, and seem to be a bigot, but God stills love you John.The Bible never mentions or condemns the concept we call same-sex marriage. Although opponents of same-sex marriage claim that lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender unions violate biblical principles, no verses in the Bible explicitly address gay marriage or committed same-sex relationships
God loves all His kids including the gay kind
chicraig6421 1 month ago
You cannot preach the old laws which Jesus Christ broke when he died on the cross. When they were about to stone a woman Jesus said that whoever has not sinned be the first to throw the stone but everybody was guilty so they walked away. The reason why Jesus broke the law is because nobody can follow such laws and thats why we are saved by his grace and not by our works. God bless you.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421 The bible says not to kill somone who repents. The men never listend to see if the woman would rpeent. The men who wanted to stone the woman were not taking the man who commited adultery with the woman and stoning him as well. Jesus wrote the man's name in the dirt and they did not listen. So He wrote their own sins which showed they were worthy of being stoned as well and they walked away. Jesus did not do away with the Law of Moses being enforced by the state.
PrinceFelipe 1 month ago
@PrinceFelipe You need help, and really need to lean about the Bible as what you are saying is false. Shame on you and your 'butt sex'.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
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Isn't it lovely how YOUR God always stands for the things YOU like? For example, God orders YOU to be judgmental, He orders YOU to put OTHERS in their place, and He holds YOU blameless.
By God's rules, YOU get to shine, while He commissions YOU to point fingers at OTHERS. How can you not love this arrangement?
Christianity is a sick hoax, and those entangled in it are embracing injustice, unfairness and divisions. The root of mankind's problems is with YOUR perverted faith in ignorance!
mdmusil 1 month ago
ITs NOT ONLY SIN AGAINST GOD BUT AGAINST OUR NATURE.What's surprising is how people still trying to say gay is right when to start with its not even normal!.
ChristRoyalHousehold 1 month ago
@ChristRoyalHousehold You said -ITs NOT ONLY SIN AGAINST GOD BUT AGAINST OUR NATURE.- Well really, 1st its not a sin, homosexuality is not in the Bible. Actually sin is sin, hetro and homosexual sin is the same (the only difference is who they fall in love with).
2nd. Nature, really, God created gays or they would not walk His earth. So why you talk about Gods creation / nature is beyond me.
Did you know God loves all His kids including the hetor, bi, homosexual, and transsexual, as well.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
1 Corin 6:9, 10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of GOD? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor extortioners will inherit the Kingdom of GOD. We must be washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the LORD JESUS and by the SPIRIT of our GOD (1 Corin 6:11) and read 1 Tim:1-10. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! GOD Bless!!!
thechickable 1 month ago
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@thechickable Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Commandments nor did Jesus say one word about it. He DID 100% condemn the leaders of organized religion & their fanatican followers!
7 verses in the entire Bible mention gay sex; references to male prostitution, concubines & wild hedonism (using men & boys as sex toys), all common in the ancient world.
Being gay is NOT a sin, nor do gay sex acts have ANY religious context of themselves
chicraig6421 1 month ago
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, your life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
chicraig6421 1 month ago
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Try this experiment: Become a homosexual with genuine feelings of attraction to someone of the same sex (assuming you are a heterosexual of course). If you are able to do this then you know that, for you at least, it is a choice. Don't worry, you can change back too if it's a choice. Fail, and it's pretty clear sexuality is not a choice for you
chicraig6421 1 month ago
Blake Cowle-Healy is a dip-shit.
dontbedifficult2 1 month ago
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Being gay is a choice made by God, when He creates some of His children to be homosexual. Once a person is born, he eventually comes to understand what his sexual orientation is, but of course, for the person, sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. Whether you are gay or str8, you are normal, natural, and the way God wants you to be. Enjoy your life. Jesus would want you to.
chicraig6421 1 month ago 20
Praise God...Good stand for the word of God
mosesjerome90 1 month ago
Thank you Jesus for giving faggots AIDS.
nooobsaibot 1 month ago
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@nooobsaibot This comment and I quote -Thank you Jesus for giving faggots AIDS. - will not get you to b with our Lord.
Just a point here, faggots, are not the only ones with AIDS, as a matter of fact - look it up -- more heterosexuals have AIDS then homosexuals.
God loves all His kids, including the gay kind.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
God bless you man of God for your uncompromising defense of the Gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
ptap99 1 month ago
@ptap99 John M may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does,but the effect is the same.
God loves all His kids, including the gay kind
chicraig6421 1 month ago
STICKING YOUR PENIS UP THE RECTUM AND CALLING IT "LOVE" IS A PERVERSION !!!!!" THOU SHALT NOT LIE WITH A WOMEN AS WITH A MAN: IT IS AN ABOMINATION AND YOU INFECTED QUEERS WILL SURELY BE PUT TO HELL" LEV:20:13. IT IS WRITTEN, AMEN.
ywillburn 1 month ago
@ywillburn Thanks for you cap post. However gays are not the only ones to and I quote -STICKING YOUR PENIS UP THE RECTUM AND CALLING IT "LOVE" IS A PERVERSION !!!!!" Straights do it to.
Oh you should know Lev died with Jesus on the cross.
God loves all His kids, includes the homosexual kind.
Amen
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421 sure god loves all his children. that is not the question.the question is: ANAL SEX IS UNNATURAL, SPREADS STD/AIDS AND IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE USED THAT WAY. DO YOU DRINK OUT OF THE TOILET?????? THAT IS WHY GOD CALLED IT "AN ABOMINATION" SOMETHING DETESTIBLE IN HIS EYES !!!! ENJOY YOUR PERVERTED SEX WITH SATAN AND THAT PITCH FORK !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
ywillburn 1 month ago
@ywillburn If the question is anal sex as you say, then why only talk about 'the gay' when hetros have anal sex as well. And this may surprise you, but some male homosexuals do not have anal sex, same with lesbians.
And you are wrong God did not call 'it' and abomination, man did.
With al the HAHAHAHA, do you really think thats Christ like or maybe you are not a Christian.
And where did you get satan has a pict fork?
God loves you and all His kids.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
The first error is that he does not question his beliefs. This is the difference between religious people and other.
The second, assuming the authority is a book that is believed by those involved to be authoritative. It does not make it any more authoritative.
That's when I could not watch more...
aquatix 1 month ago
God doesn't even know about tobacco, potatoes or gravity. Furthermore, God can't stop hurricanes from coming, nor does he have any power at all to aid humans in any way.
Isn't it time for the old fart to end His perpetual coffe break and get da hell back to work?
God is a loser. A total idiot.
Oops, I forgot. He is an invention of power hungry humans. Never mind.
SynchroTotal 1 month ago
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Those complaining the loudest about gays and their "lifestyle" are the most likely ones to run into the bushes to meet with some hustler for a quickie.
Thou protesteth too much...one might wonder!
The problem with gay marriage is there is no problem.
The problem with hate obesessed preachers is that they are not taxed. THAT might fix their arrogance and their chronic busibodylitis. Want to mix and mingle with politics and laws of the land? Pay your fair share in taxes then!
SynchroTotal 1 month ago
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Being gay is a choice made by God, when He creates some of His children to be homosexual. Once a person is born, he eventually comes to understand what his sexual orientation is, but of course, for the person, sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. Whether you are gay or str8, you are normal, natural, and the way God wants you to be. Enjoy your life. Jesus would want you to.
chicraig6421 1 month ago 5
John MacArthur is the man!
deathisnighfools 1 month ago
You should not write in all capital letters. Rather than emphasizing your point, writing in all capital letters actually detracts from what you are trying to say.
j4unumber1 1 month ago
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I say fuck civilization if that means we have to stone people to death for non-violent acts to maintain it. As a Christian, he should understand that civilization is doomed, for many other reasons not even having to do with homosexuality or sexuality in general. Jesus was the one who said "which of ye who is without sin cast the first stone". I think these pastors focus way too much on homosexuality and not enough on the general greed that's consuming us. ...probably because they're in on it.
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JNathanK2011 1 month ago
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John M what you really mean is that anyone who disgrees with you isn't a TRUE Christian. That's the exact line of reasoning used by the Inquisition to justify torturing & burning Protestants at the stake, and by Protestants to justify tortring & killing Catholics. That's what the "good Christians" of Carthage, IL used to justify the murder of Joseph Smith.
That's exactly what our Founders opposed when they set up the seperation of church & state.
FYI - God loves all His kids, including the gays
chicraig6421 1 month ago 18
IN GOD'S EYES AND BASED ON COMMON SENSE, NATURE, MORAL VALUES, AND DECENCY its an abomination IT CAN DESTROY THE SOCIETY FROM THE ROOT its the worse plague that ever hit human race WE HAVE A MOVEMENT COMING FROM RUSSIA AND ARABIC WORLD TO PUT AN END TO THIS SHAMEFUL MOVEMENT (practice being gay) lulu.com/spotlight/helenohenzo
THEHELENOHENZO 1 month ago
@THEHELENOHENZO I don't think we should kill homosexuals as those movements you speak of do. It may be a social ill, but we need to try to get homosexuals to turn from their lustful sins through love, not force and violence.
JNathanK2011 1 month ago
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@RasheemH Are ALL Christians arrogant assholes, or just YOUR kind?
If God is as obnoxious and bigoted as you are, you can keep your retarded religion. Fewer and fewer people give a shit.
More for you!
We all die and stay dead. Live with it, Jesus Freak!
Chelsea4President 2 months ago
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MacArthur attempts to divide the Body of Christ -(Romans 16 :17-18), and uses people's confusion to line his greedy pockets with their money. Like a skull-like harpy , chattering through a pair of bad fitting dentures,-he does the Devil's work by attempting to play Christians off against one another through lies and deceit. He takes others words out of context- he then quotes Sacred Scripture out of context, perverting it's Holy message for his own sick greed and evil--Matt 7 :15-22.
chicraig6421 2 months ago
Since you are going to insult me, allow me to insult you...Christian. Learn how to speak English using its proper phonetics and tonal inflection. You sound like a redneck! Therefore, how do you expect people to take you seriously when you speak as if you lack intelligence?
j4unumber1 2 months ago
@j4unumber1 SALVATION IS BASED ON WHAT YOU DO - IN GOD'S EYES AND BASED ON COMMON SENSE, NATURE, MORAL VALUES, AND DECENCY its an abomination IT CAN DESTROY THE SOCIETY FROM THE ROOT its the worse plague that ever hit human race WE HAVE A MOVEMENT COMING FROM RUSSIA AND ARABIC WORLD TO PUT AN END TO THIS SHAMEFUL MOVEMENT (practice being gay) lulu.com/spotlight/helenohenzo
THEHELENOHENZO 1 month ago
@THEHELENOHENZO Your theology is wrong as is John M Read the Bible in context to find the truth Homosexuality is not a sin, its not an abomination, homosexuality does not make one dis-ordered God created all, includes the homosexual Im married to my same sex parther-Iowa Why you dare question what God created-'the gay' is beyond me. Read in context
God loves all His kids including the homosexuals You may not say 'God hates fags' as Fred Phelps a Southern Baptist does but the effect is the same.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421 Leviticus 18:22 “Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin! IF YOU NOT ATTRACTED TO WOMAN, JUST BE SINGLE God put bad and good things in front of you ON UNDERSTANDING BE AN ADULT being gay is not just a sin but terrible one (God called it abomination) I expect a 10 years boy to know that BECAUSE IT IS COMMON SENSE Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination.- lulu.com/spotlight/helenohenzo
THEHELENOHENZO 1 month ago in playlist Homosexuality
Its animalistic, much like any type of promiscuous sex, and I think were supposed to evolve past that as humans. I think that's one of our purposes anyway. Our culture promotes all types of promiscuity, including masturbation, which is also a sin that should be avoided. There's way too much acceptance of pornography, which is exploitative of women. It goes beyond just homosexuality to a lot of things.
JNathanK2011 1 month ago
@THEHELENOHENZO Thats however, Lev died with Jesus on the cross, He said that, you need to read the Bible. Oh except for the 10 laws written in stone.
FYI - I am married to my same sex partner - Iowa - in a Christian Church by and Christian minister, in front of God. I will not give up my relationship with Christ because you think homosexuality is a sin when it is not.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexuals.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@chicraig6421 read Romans 1:26-27 and judge for yourself
kolawole13303 1 month ago
@kolawole13303 You read Paul's letters in context and learn - homosexuality is not a sin its not in the Bible. Note: homosexual sex acts are in the Bible - not homosexuality, there is a difference. Prior to 1952, the 1st time the actual work homosexual appeared in any Bible anywhere (fact check me). 2 Greek words were translated sodomy. Again fact check me-sodomy means anal intercourse man or man or man or women-no difference. So tell the truth, stop the crap Christian teaching.
chicraig6421 1 month ago
@THEHELENOHENZO Homosexuality is a sin because it disrupts God's plan to multiply His kingdom and causes societal problems in the world today. It can even lead to other sins such as lying, adultery and even murder. No wonder it's so terrible.
aeromaximon 1 month ago
Who are YOU to tell me about what God truly thinks of me, Mr. MacArthur? Are you God? Are you a theologian?
Thanks, but I would rather believe whatever I want about the God I worship. You do no one any good in talking negatively about others.
j4unumber1 2 months ago
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John MacArthur does not know Christ and will burn forever in Hell. Halleluiah.
rickw1100 2 months ago
I believe a book is the word of god, therefore I have principles.....What?
paddymourinho 2 months ago
MacArthur is force-feeding his special diet of Jesus Freak BS.
When will we finally be free of these hate-mongering charlatans?
zerogullibility 2 months ago
@zerogullibility I agree with you. If you look at Christian history -and Im a Christian- it is so bloody and hateful. I believe when homosexuality is no longer a sin in most, instead of some, Christians beliefs, they will have to find someone / something else to pick on. History, burn witches, support - KKK, The 3rd Reich, the holocaust, segregation, slavery - the Bible was used to condemn interracial marriage similar to gay marriage.
But, God loves all HIs kids, including he gay kind.
chicraig6421 2 months ago
Submission starts with disagreement. Faith is the salve that believes use to lessen the itch disobey or disqualify what is painfully obvious.
OT
Leviticus 18:22: You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
NT
1 Corinthians 6:9:Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
turnip904 2 months ago
@turnip904 OT as a Christian u should know it died with Jesus on the Cross, except for the 10 laws written in stone. If you choose to us Lev, why do you only pick and choose that verse?
Cor-yep noting there about homosexuals, except for the mis-translated words. You as a Christian should know the re-translation of 2 Greek words were changed to say homosexual and they never did b4 1952. So go back to a Bible printed in the 40s to see what Cor says.
God loves all His kids, includes the gays
chicraig6421 2 months ago
@chicraig6421 OT didnt die. Mt 5:17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Sacrifice for sin ended.Is 1:11 Says the LORD. I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle; And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.
Hb 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
turnip904 2 months ago
@turnip904 Yes....to fulfill....what do you think that means = OT is dead, except for the 10 laws written stone. Really stop twisting.
So thanks for making my case.
Homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible nor did Jesus say 1 word about this oh so very important topic. Yep thats why so many Christians, so many Churches and so many denominations now read the Bible without twisting scripture like John M does.
God loves all His kids, including the homosexual kinds.
chicraig6421 2 months ago
@chicraig6421 So Jesus did what he said he didn't come to do? To abolish= end. To fulfill= fullness. Restraint is the way an all knowing God expresses his love for us who are blind. Paul pleads with us not to go on sinning because grace abounds. God has not changed. He will not be mocked. My personal desires and reasoning must succumb to scripture as proof that I am His. God loves those whom he chastens.
turnip904 2 months ago
@turnip904 Go in peace my friend, and my God shine His light on you.
I am fine with my faith, beliefs and spirituality. What was the authentic message of Christ for us? Jesus put us all here, 2000+ yrs have passed since He died on Golgotha, sine He rose. Essentially I'm walking away from crap religious interpretations of Christianity that some churches(and John M) teach. I will not walk away from my relationship with Christ.
God loves all HIs kids, including the gay kind.
chicraig6421 2 months ago
@turnip904 No, God hasn't changed, but our understanding of God HAS changed dramatically. Jesus came to tell us "no, what you say God is, this list of rules and 'purity codes' and thinking God is vengeful and has favorite people, it's all wrong. God loves you all, and the only law of God is to treat others with love." God is NOT the sick rules of the Old Testament, those were man-made.
"Succumbing to scripture" doesn't prove you're God's, only that you're foolish.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@chicraig6421 There's nothing ambivalent about Romans 1:26-27 and there is no doubt about translation of that passage from the original Greek to English. The Apostle Paul writing under inspiration of God undeniably condemns both male and female homosexual acts. But that doesn't mean homosexual sin is worse than heterosexual sin such as adultery. A homosexual can repent of ALL sin and be saved by confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead, Ro. 10:9
minralb 2 months ago 2
@minralb 1st yes there is much about the translation of the passages from Greek to English. Words have meaning & consequences, thus the re-translations of two Greek words to homosexual, that were never translated that way prior to 1952 sure do make a difference. 2nd Paul was writing to Rome, begging for $ and also talking about what he saw, teaching Christ, and knowing Rome was 'ok' with pederasty.
Homosexuality is not a sin, its not want Paul was talking about-thats why context is important.
chicraig6421 2 months ago
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@chicraig6421 IN GOD'S EYES AND BASED ON COMMON SENSE, NATURE, MORAL VALUES, AND DECENCY its an abomination IT CAN DESTROY THE SOCIETY FROM THE ROOT its the worse plague that ever hit human race WE HAVE A MOVEMENT COMING FROM RUSSIA AND ARABIC WORLD TO PUT AN END TO THIS SHAMEFUL MOVEMENT (practice being gay) lulu.com/spotlight/helenohenzo
THEHELENOHENZO 1 month ago
@minralb 3rd Romans (Pauls letters, yes we did read others mail back then too) is often mis-understood