Nexus One multitouch problems / issues - misregistering

[xjmdm]

i have the same camera :D

[farestabs]

When you want to draw parallel diagonal lines it draws the neXus "X" symbol :P

[theStandards]

PAUSE AT 1:39

[Gismozo]

im so put off this phone.

[donica75]

That's not a issue, is a characteristic of the touch layer used on the N1, the "ClearPad 2000" wasn't made to suport complex multitouch input. U can see that anytime axis are crossed u have problems. The N1 only have partial mutitouch by a smart software trick made by Google. Sadly there's no fix for this.

[arkv2]

Isn't the seconds apps' fault?

[chrischoy9]

@arkv2 nope

[0light8dark0]

Gay Phone.

[harper16]

@0light8dark0 Gay person. 

[DuckWalkers]

1:38 - HE IS HITLER!

[footo9000]

nexus one is a perfect phone but i don't know why they used such a limited and non-accurate touch screen like that,...... i mean they hear alot of complaining and they won't even put a better touch screen in the future N1 Orders

i mean the only thing that is making the N1 not better than the iphone is this

with a new (better ) touch screen .. the N1 will knock of the iphone 4 for sure !!!

[paugren]

The Android 2.2 (Froyo) OS update on the Nexus is completely awesome. It is still not released "officially" but I have manually updated to it. Even with the issue I show in this video, I ABSOLUTELY love this phone. Note: I was having an issue with the power button not responding. After getting a replacement, that is no longer an issue.

[stevenmottie]

2.2 is addressing this issue.

[paugren]

@stevenmottie That would be *excellent*! Do you have a source for that information? It does look like Android 2.2 will have some great improvements and added features.

[cdambati]

@paugren well i believe its out. a manual download link can be found on phandroid, but yeh, get ur fone updated to 2.2 and try it again and post video !

[paugren]

@cdambati I have updated to Froyo (Android 2.2) and the same "issue" exists, HOWEVER... as I more carefully hold my phone and not let my hand wrap around the phone, I have seen this issue affect my usage very little. It does, however, explain why some programs using multi-touch may not function as expected.

[kyu012]

@stevenmottie No. this is a hardware issue not an OS issue.

[chrischoy9]

@stevenmottie no it doesn't, the digitizer was just designed for basic pinch to zoom, not complex multi touch

[zeleftikam]

What do you expect? It will not work properly if you're drawing with one finger and holding the other one on the screen. That is not misregistration. Try this with a laptop trackpad or another smartphone.

[paugren]

@zeleftikam 1) It does work much better on the Motorola Droid

2) What?! Are you serious? Are you saying that with "multitouch" you cannot have one finger stationary? How is this NOT misregistration?

[TheRealPerson]

Could also be the program you're using which may be very buggy since there is no multi touch support in android 2.1.

[paugren]

@TheRealPerson There is multi touch support in Android 2.1 for devices that have the hardware to support it, which the Nexus One claims to have... somewhat.

Both programs indicate the problem. The second application is just reporting what it is getting from the Android SDK.

[TheRealPerson]

There is no multi touch support in android 2.1 although the N1 is capable of it, which is why youre getting this.

[youFAILatLIFExD]

Is the touch screen compasitive or resistive? If it's resistive that might be why :s

[IggyPiggy23]

hey has anyone tried outputting audio via aux or some kind of 3.5mm jack to stereo? when I try that it randomly plays songs and changes songs randomly and just overall random... it weirds me out

[paugren]

@IggyPiggy23 I haven't had that problem at all with my Nexus. You may want to do a hard reset and if that doesn't fix it, use your warranty.

[IggyPiggy23]

@IggyPiggy23 @paugren i think it was the app i install called "tunewiki" which was being psycho when ever i plugged an aux in it wud try to play something and sometimes even plays a song on top of another song, talk about eagerness... one other thing that bugs me is when i go to press delete and it ends up adding lots of smiley faces to my txt msg which makes me feel like the phone is laughin at me or something lol

[paugren]

@IggyPiggy23 maybe it *IS* laughing at you :-)

Yeah, mine has done that too... but not as much recently. I just which Swype would be fully released for purchase to Nexus One. Swype rocked my world... until my beta expired.

[Richux18]

shiit, multi touch is fucked up

[franekk]

1:40 instant swastika :P

[abuladula]

people who use drawing softwarees seriously would not use a mobile anyway. whatever you get in smartphones i think is good enough.

[xxGjbbyxx]

Why is everyone acting like things a phone should do should be equal to a PC or Tablet PC.

I bought a phone. It's a phone. Phone with perks.

By the way, different apps seem to perform differently also.

Try Multitouch Visible Test (my N1 kinda failed with some passes) vs Multitouch Visualizer (my N1 passed completely).

It works even with Toon Wars.

Loving my N1s.

[iSahand]

Don't they say that this will be improved with the FroYo update?

[paugren]

@iSahand because of the hardware constraints, they will not be able to completely "fix" the root cause, but they may include something with the next OTA update (2.2).... but that is only wishful thinking.

[paugren]

I haven't noticed a specific problem with the 3G/Edge swapping back and forth or loosing signal because of how you hold the phone. This is my first "smart phone" and I have noticed that it should be rebooted once in a while... and sometimes it takes a few seconds to "find" a wireless signal and connect (a problem I have not noticed with my iPod touch).

[bubinski777]

I think its an issue with the application, not the phone.

[paugren]

@bubinski777 Two different applications are used here and there are other videos using yet other programs. There are published specs on the touch screen that indicate that there are limitations with the hardware so that two X and two Y coordinates are returned, but the hardware does not match them into pairs.

[dsergdb7]

some developers report it as a framework problem.

HOWEVER HES OFFICIAL SPEC IS NON MULTI-TUCH

[phenomenon717]

Swastika, yikes!!

[evildeedz66]

Seriously, who gives a crap about dots and straight lines? And even so, when the dots went in the opposite of the finger, the distance was symmetric, so it wasn't really a disability. If you touch it again it disappears anyway, and why does that matter? it's not like you do works of art on a phone. I still think it's great, and iPhone 3GS may have better video qualities, but fuck me if I'd ever spent such a fortune on it. Overall HTC Google Nexus is a good phone, running on every website and app

[paugren]

@evildeedz66 I agree that this situation is NOT how most users use the phone, but it indicates why some games may not work on the Nexus One (such as a simple two player Pong game on a single phone). Motorola Droid handles this situation much better.

[evildeedz66]

@paugren You may be right, but even so, I wouldn't give up such a brilliant phone with even flash support for a HTML based phone,600mhz and many other lower speccs. I think Google N1 is the best choice unless you care about a ping pong game. I'm not concerned about which phone to buy, but I think the challenge will be between N1 and Windows 7 Phone, if you got any other suggestion go ahead and tell me ^^.

[paugren]

@evildeedz66 It sounds like the new HTC Incredible has a better multitouch screen implementation for hardware. That phone is rumored to be released Apr 29, 2010.

[evildeedz66]

@paugren that sounds pretty cool but I already bought a brand new Google Nexus One and I totally love it !

[TheRealPerson]

@evildeedz66 I say android because it is rapidly expanding. Also because windows mobile has a terrible app marketplace thing, which a very small number of apps when compared to android.

[fillemaru]

im afraid thats not true...since they did a test with severeal smartphones like 2 days ago...the iphone has the best multi touch then its actually the htc eris and nexus one.maybe ure nexus aint fuly updated or soemthing..but it definetly has better mutli touch then a droid since droid was the worst device.

[paugren]

@fillemaru The test that I believe you are referring to was not testing multitouch. If you can find the reference to that it would be interesting to see the results.

[paugren]

Since posting this video, I've noticed that this does NOT really affect "normal" day-to-day operation of the phone. Since the Motorola Droid performs these tests better, there may be a software fix that could be released in the future.

At this point, I wouldn't give up this phone for any other phone.

[Zion027]

@paugren I think you've missed the point with this movie. The point is to show that the "multi-"touch ain't flawless..

[paugren]

@Zion027 The "point" I was making as the author of the movie is that there are problems with the current implementation on the Nexus One and that hopefully HTC and Google will realize this and offer a future fix or patch. (Also realizing the real constraint is the hardware, according to specifications released for the touch screen implementation on the Nexus One).

[Zion027]

@paugren Ah, didn't see you were the author. Haha..

[oskalene]

@paugren is there a problem with ur 3G or antenna? because i heard from some people that holding the phone in one hand makes it lose bars, and switch tot he edge network(much slower) please reply thank u

[transfeld]

very good video!! thanks

[BiGfReAk1337]

lol nazi handy @ 1:38

[Crackolino]

LÖLÖL!11

[larryqz]

1:38 xD

[fusion2007]

You folks are right! The touchscreen on the Nexus One is a ClearPad 2000 wich only supports 2 fingers. The nexus doesn't have a true multitouch. Only pinch to zoom. Try any of the multi-touch apps from the market and you'll see that all fail. It's a shame. Google and HTC really gave it to the iPhone on this.

[cadao]

@fusion2007 i have only used max of two fingers on my nexus so far but it still does no function the way i want it to be

[fusion2007]

FIRST don't call me noob. I've been working situado mobiles for decade. I know what i am talking about fanboy. That was a software problem that it Washington resolved. Don't be Foto by marketing.

[eagle132]

Gotta love my OC'd droid.

[jghahaha]

MOTOROLA DROID FTW

[eriku16]

Yet more leather-jacketed-flat-topped-p­ineapple-head-looking-thuggery comments from a N1 hating Droid user. What's up with that? Why the hate? We're all Android here and it shoud not matter what AOS enabled handset you have.

[fusion2007]

This is a software problem. It will be resolved soon. Don't worry. The touchscreen on the nexus is superior to the one you find on the iPhone 3gs.

Cheers.

[paugren]

@fusion2007 My understanding is that the Nexus One uses the Synaptics Clearpad 2000 which only returns 2 X and 2 Y coordinates, so the "best" that software can do is better "guess" which X coordinate goes with which Y coordinate. I agree that it could probably be made BETTER with software updates, but there is a limitation with the hardware that may keep it from functioning perfectly.

[Iildimsum7]

@fusion2007 lol noob, the 3gs has a superior touchscreen

[Quin0rz]

No it has not.

Apple fanboy?

[Iildimsum7]

yes it does! try to prove I'm wrong!

[paugren]

@fusion2007 I don't think it's as easy as you think to call the Nexus One touchscreen superior to the iPhone 3GS. I love my Nexus One at the screen DISPLAY is stunning. The touch sensitivity is not as good as the iPod Touch/iPhone (The Nexus One is actually DUAL touch rather than multitouch as well). Also the frames per second for playing video is better on the iPhone. They each have their strong points.

That said, the look of the display IMO really does blow the iPhone out of the water!

[paugren]

@fusion2007 note: No software fix as of Apr 20, 2010.

[donica75]

@fusion2007 that's wrong. It's a hardware issue cause by the touch layer "ClearPad 2000" that is not designed to support multitouch.

[harper16]

@fusion2007 No...false hope mate. Its a hardware issue, workarounds might make the performance of the screen better but you will never get the hardware working like a true multitouch. Even still, i'd recommend a nexus one to anybody. Best phone i've ever owned.

[adriantarn]

well..i'll choose to think of it as nitpicking..i have it, and if these are the biggest problems, then so be it. yes i do love my GN1 lol

[jspeed04]

hate to say it, but I am able to reproduce the exact same results :(. I love this phone and it really is the best phone that I've ever had. But this explains why sometimes I have problems typing accurately when I type at a rapid pace.

I really hope that this is a software issue rather than a limitation of the hardware itself, but I fear it may be the latter, as the Nexus uses the Synaptics Clearpad 2000 which is pretty old nowadays...

Bummer...

[ormand3000]

lol @ the swastika @ 1:40 WTF

[demurgetroid]

@ormand3000 dnt be scared of swastika...it's a hindu/indian symbol for purity n good luck...seen everywhere in india on doors/cars/objects...no wonder the israeli enter india n go...WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..

[jeffk6]

its becuase the phone does not have multi touch like the iphone does so 2 fingers is confusing the phone. thats all

[eriku16]

It's a dual touch panel. No more than two fingers

[Brozium]

@eriku16 nope, it's a capacitive screen just as the iphone's one. but the nexus has a sexy AMOLED screen ;D

[paugren]

BTW, I really do love this phone, but I have minor issues with the touch screen where the wrong "key" registers... and not a key nearby. When this happens it is not unusual for a key two rows below the key pressed registers. (This can be the case even when the phone is placed flat on a table and the only thing touching it is the one finger touching the scree. This is very difficult for me to reproduce.)

With all that said, I still love the phone and will prob keep it unless it gets worse.

[MusicIan423]

I've not used a touch-screen phone with multi-touch that did not do this. Have any of you tried playing any complicated iphone games? you'll start moving in the opposite direction or randomly change weapons all the time

[MizukiNana1]

i phone have the same issues

[paugren]

@MizukiNana1 Can you easily reproduce these issues and post a video response showing your results?

[MizukiNana1]

no,i have no iphone. My friend tested in his iphone 3gs

[KzrrainzYes]

1:37 swastika as a result of the glitch. LOL

[medarknexs]

i can make the same tests on the iphone with a configured software and get worse results, do you seriously think that google didn't test their phone before selling it? i have a nexus one and it works perfectly (i'll never use an iphone again)

[setheroon1]

this is the correct response... i have read an in depth thread about this on XDA.

[trentryantv]

This is a big problem though.

[renzzlive]

thanks!! gonna wait for fix before buying one :)

[pkoicetr]

better to contact google telling them the story, so they can think about fixing the problem before i buy one...lol!

[SonerToraman]

did you try it while holding on one hand?

maybe it's because of accelerometer?

[paugren]

@SonerToraman: Yes, I can reproduce this while holding the phone in many different ways.

As a side note, I played some more last night with a Motorola Droid. It handles many of these tests MUCH better, but... it does not completely act like you may expect (especially with a second finger touching the screen).

[malignanz]

maybe it's just a problem of poor app programming? seems like they still can't manage to make 100% use of the hardware within the android sdk.

[paugren]

@malignanz The Multitouch Paint application works fine on the Motorola Droid, so the problem most likely is not the two applications shown here. Problem may originate with the hardware/drivers/OS.

[carbrm86]

waooo, I don't know how Google is going to fix that problem or when, but that is messed up!! Thanks for the video!