0:29 - I just typed "porn" into google and checked images. What body punishing? What women getting gagged by dicks? What cruel sex? Nothing on the damned first page! If it's mainstream, it should be on the damned first page!
2:05 - LIES! SHE IS LYING THROUGH HER FUCKING TEETH!
2:31 - Look at this disrespectful piece of shit interrupting Jeremy? He gave her the courtesy to express her views and then all of a sudden she goes into a bitch-fit.
2:44 - What a fucking bitch. Acting all indignant because a man dared to have an equal turn in speaking!
2:50 - So women make more hardcore porn than men do? So let's hate men and let's get rid of porn because men are evil, which is essentially what all of Gail Dines's bullshit boils down to anyway?
Can we please run her out of every first-world country already? She is clearly unfit for decent society, let alone conversation as evidenced in this video.
Gail Dines is an idiot. She has no Idea what gonzo is, she thinks that Max Hardcore is this revered figure in the industry, and her claims can be easily negated by just looking up the alexa traffic statistics.
How can a scientific study judge how demeaning something is? Demeaning has no clear cut way of being measured. What's demeaning to me might not be demeaning to you and vice versa, it's all subjective.
@dhom100 Anyway... since I'm just rehashing what I've said already (which you seem at a loss to address), I'll let you have the last word (since you seem so desperate for it). Thank you for the amusement the past few days. I hope that you end up breaking free of religion, if that is what has its hold on you. And if it does, it is no wonder that you try to shame me... because you probably feel a great deal of religious shame yourself. I'm sorry but I can't share that burden with you.
@ErikaDonovan lol I'm never desperate. I get what I want. thank you too for the amusement even though I might lost a few brain cells thinking about your unintelligible comments.
I am a woman and I absolutely love porn, ESPECIALLY the rough stuff. I am firmly grounded in reality and do not expect that I will rape anyone soon. It has not influenced my view of men: they are not just disembodied cocks to me but human beings with thoughts and feelings. I do not see myself or other women as just sex toys. Time for people to take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming things outside themselves. You'll only view women as objects if you're already a sexist bastard
@ErikaDonovan you think like that because you're a whore. oh I know that offended you but if the shoe fits, wear it. you wanna talk about taking responsibility. why don't porn promoters take the responsibility of doing everything they can to keep porn from kids? yeah put it on the internet. the truth is they make it easily accessible to corrupt mainstream society and get more young people interested. people get used to it and perverted sex becomes normal.
@dhom100 You didnt offend me. Calling a woman a whore is just a shaming technique and I am too far above it to be affected. The only person youve shamed is yourself. You speak one minute about goodness and decency and the next, you are calling someone you dont even know a whore. It speaks volumes about YOU, not me. It isnt very effective against a BEAUTIFUL, FREE, and AMAZING woman who knows who she is and doesnt give a rats ass what you think b/c it doesnt begin to change how she views herself.
@dhom100 Everyone cares about what people think of them. But if I cared what YOU thought about me, I'd commit ritualistic suicide for the dishonor of being that goddamned pathetic, to let someone like you define me. Whys it so important to you that Im affected by your erroneous words? Does your self-esteem require that others think badly of themselves? Sad. Also Orla Fallon > Chloe Agnew. Orla has a beautiful accent when she sings and has a rich womanly voice. Listen to Siuil A Run. 10x better
@ErikaDonovan don't compare yourself to respectable women. you're not in their league. you don't need me to define who you are. you dishonor yourself by what you choose to do or how you live and has no affect on my esteem.
@dhom100 If you're considered a respectable woman, you're right. I'm not in your league. I'm so much better than that. But keep trying. My boyfriend and I find you ENTIRELY amusing. You're probably much older than me, and I think it is incredibly sad that I had to be the one to tell you that shaming behavior is unacceptable. You act all high and mighty while trying to tear someone else down. Too bad you're like the big bad wolf huffing and puffing against brick. It's just a lot of hot air.
@ErikaDonovan when I said you're not in their league, I meant they're so much better than you are. it's no joke. if you're a whore and still proud of yourself, you have no place beside these women. you can't pretend to be good sometimes and other times do things that are immoral and indecent. I put all respectable women on a pedestal because they are special and rare in the modern society. so just hang out with your fellow rapists and perverts.
@dhom100 Honey, I didn't begin to believe I was a whore in the first place. Even if I slept around, your words would have no effect on me, because I know what they are--slut-shaming techniques. You do not hold the power to make me feel guilty or inferior. You do not have the power to degrade my beautiful personality. In my view, you are the immoral one for trying... though I think you do it because you feel insecure. There is nothing wrong with embracing your sexuality. You should try it.
@ErikaDonovan I know that no girl starts out as whores. I'm sure you were a precious little girl once but made some bad choices after meeting a few "mr wrong". my sexuality is well embraced and healthy thanks for caring.
@dhom100 And I bet it really really gets under your skin that I don't care what you think. It's probably why you keep coming back and trying again. Maybe this is an eye-opening experience for you. Maybe you're realizing the world doesn't revolve around you or your opinions. And some people don't even care what you have to say. You're so vain. I bet you think this post is about you. LOL
@ErikaDonovan lol no I really really don't care honestly. I keep coming back because you responded to my comments. regardless of what people think about me, I will keep talking and standing up against porn and all that is evil in society. I was brought up the right way but I know that a lot of people aren't and I feel bad for them. but I will be honest and say it like it is without fear and stand up for what's right. I know you're not being personal.
@dhom100 You act like the "right way" is set in stone, as if there is some sort of objective morality out there that trumps opinion, that morality isn't dependent of the individual. There are some people who think homosexuality is wrong, and others who don't. Some people think abortion is wrong, and others don't. Some people think porn is wrong, and others don't. There is no 100% set in stone code of morality that everyone follows. You act like there is, and it is yours. How fucking arrogant.
@ErikaDonovan a lot of people think homosexuality is wrong and I agree with them. so is perverted sex. the anus is not design for sex. there's no moral code of conduct, no officially. some think it's the 10 commandments. morality all has to do with self preservation and acting in the best interest of everyone. but the problem is a lot of people are selfish. they act to satisfy their own interests and don't care who they hurt or exploit. that's when they do things that are immoral.
The anus wasn't designed for sex, so that makes it wrong to use it for sex? "
Well, for one, the anus wasn't designed at all. It evolved.
Secondly, you're assuming it's wrong for people to use their bodies against natures intentions...well, your brain didn't evolve to read, and your arm didn't evolve to wipe your own ass, but we made them do so. Now either stop being a hypocrite by ceasing reading and wiping, or educate yourself.
@Phaze252 you're the idiot and most likely a pervert as well. yes I know it evolved base on form and function. reading is not the same thing as having sex and there's no harm in reading. and I guess you'd rather have somebody else wipe your ass for you. do you even know what the word hypocrit means? I'm speaking up against homosexuality so to you means I'm a closet homo. I have nothing against sex or doing things for happiness, but not at the expense of harming others.
There's quite possibly a harm in reading, depending on what you read. Just like there's a possibility of sex being harmful depending on what you have sex with (and more often who).
Homosexuality doesn't harm others, you cretin. If you meet someone that also is gay, and you consent to intercourse, how is that remotely wrong? Or even harmful.
And I don't think you're a closet homo, but I do think you follow arbitrary opinions in deference.
@Phaze252 ok I guess reading smut can be harmful to kids. I was referring to more bodily harm or abuse. Homosexuality can be harmful as well. a lot of diseases can be spread. Homosexuality is still a minority so I worry about normal kids having to grow up in a gay household. the world is confusing enough for them without this. but I really don't have problem with gays. it's not evil like porn is.
Kids won't be confused. They aren't born with prejudices, keep their curiosity and they'll be fine for the most part.
Diseases spread through merely touching too, we don't refrain from that though.
Porn isn't "evil". It's recorded sex that probably has stopped as Ron Jeremy said, quite a few sexual assaults. Though yes, it can be detrimental in certain cases mainly to children IF they find solace in it. But you can't charge porn for the rare cases of how someone may perceive it.
@Phaze252 sure they would if they're normal. why don't I have a daddy or a mommy? they need influence from two different perspective while growing up. a lot of times they will be picked on. of course even a nuclear family nowadays don't guarantee good child rearing but that's another story. Disease is spread mainly through bodily fluid or airborne, not by touching. yes porn is evil. thousands of women are exploited and trapped in it. guys have found ways to sexually abuse women legally.
@Phaze252 a lot of single parent households are part of the problem in society. the one parent is too busy with work and don't have time to take care of the kids. you can contract STD with sexual contact or blood if skin is broken. you can't catch something by touching intact skin. it's a barrier. not all the porn victims get to go the AVN, only the most well known performers. some of them on drugs. most can't find a real job that's why they do it. it's disgusting, deprave way to survive.
You really need to re-examine what you're pushing.
And touching is the main source of transmission, not directly from skin, I never even implied that.
And again, you need to re-examine it..they're in a situation that they choose to be in. It may be disgusting to you, but that doesn't make it a detrimental way to survive. In-fact it's still a much better way than to be stricken with poverty and being a beggar. Some of them are on drugs, like some intellectuals are. (Continued)
@Phaze252 I don't need to do anything. I've researched and learned enough about porn to make me sick about how they used people. I'm not the only one. there will always be good people to speak up against it. I'm only speaking the truth. a lot of people have suffered and are still suffering because of porn and if you wanna defend it, you're either a clueless pawn or you have an interest, either monetary or you're a pervert.
@dhom100 And yes that may be true, that some women are in the industry due to bad past experiences, but honing up your epithets and making slut sound like a such a pejorative is actually degrading to the probably equal many that are in it because they ENJOY it and not because of a psychological dependency of some sort. You're judging the entire industry as evil and malevolent, it's just not true and you're not good for noticing porn is much like many other industries.
@Phaze252 yes they enjoy it we've established that but that's what they're used to. they become numb. that's expected of them if they want to be successful in the business. they're forced to submitt themselves to all kinds of sexual abuses and treated in demeaning ways if they want to make money. and most of the money go to promoters, lawyers, executives anyway, not the performers. it's an evil industry. I wouldn't want women I care about to get into it.
That's quintessentially the same exact concept every other major company uses. Just without sex.
And you realize you said they can get out of it, but they're "hooked" so you admittedly said it's their own fault.
Also, how is that a wrong path? What makes it wrong if they CAN get out of it, but they choose not to? And it's not harming anyone else in the process. Tell me, how is that a wrong path?
@Phaze252 I have repeatedly stated why it's the wrong path but people like you refuse to listen because you either have an interest in porn, monetary or you like it. they're not only harming themselves, subjecting their own bodies to sexual abuse, but porn is addicting to others as well, even kids. and porn promoters have made no attempt to keep porn from kids; they actually encourage it because they need fresh blood to keep their industry going--so ultimately it harms society.
@Phaze252 see what I mean. the denial. I know where I stand. you're either clueless or you're a pervert. yes all I stated are valid reasons why it's wrong. they've ruined their lives forever. people see them as sluts and whores. addictions and abuse are all ok to you because you don't care. I care about people. everyone should learn to take care of themselves and their loved ones and those who are evil should be ostracized and punished.
Nice to know my earlier point about you following things in deference was true.
It's ok though, we can't all break free from the idiocies that the majority of society lay on us. I'm done trying to show you how puerile your logic and your apparent righteously-fanatic moral ground is.
@Phaze252 I don't follow anybody's views. I learn and make my own judgments. it's not idiotic to care about right or wrong. it's idiotic to fall prey to the manipulattions put forth by the porn promoters. a lot of lives have been ruined while they're getting wealthy. they don't care who gets hurt or if kids gain access to their filth.
"they don't care who gets hurt or if kids gain access to their filth."
Oh fuck you, you self-righteous asshole. You surely didn't get that idea all by yourself. You're so transparent in your bias. There's nothing wrong with a bias, don't get me wrong, but don't be sitting there with a smug shit-eating grin telling me you "don't follow anybody's views", like hell you don't.
@dhom100 "you're either clueless or you're a pervert." Close-minded. Check. "they've ruined their lives forever." Ignored the thousands of FEMALE employees who feel differently. Check. "people see them as sluts and whores." Total projection. It is YOU who see them as sluts and whores, not I. "addictions and abuse are all ok to you because you don't care." Outright lie. "evil should be ostracized and punished." Like Gail Dines and her ilk.
@dhom100 you are right on the mark. And Ron Jeremy is just a completely vile person. Gail Dines has done a fantastic job at exposing the dangers that pornography does to people both physically and mentally.
@DinesVictorious yeah she's absolutely right. women say they want to be respected and have equality and all that but then a lot of them are manipulated to think porn is good for them. with porn, guys have found ways to abuse women sexually, mentally. it's their playground. other guys who view porn often treat their own girlfriends the same way. Jeremy is like a lot of ugly pricks who get to live out their fantasies with attractive women so of course he's there protecting his interest.
You're a sick piece of shit. You actually believe women are so helpless and weak that they get "corrupted" and "manipulated", which is so far divorced from reality it's laughable.
Really? So the porn produced by women that is more hardcore and brutal, apparently, than the stuff men produce is somehow makes a "Man's playground"? How do you figure? And why would it be on the fault of all men everywhere that women produce more hardcore stuff?
Y'know, for being a completely vile person, Jeremy was more than civil in this "debate" while Dines on the other hand was interrupting him out of fucking turn.
She did? Actually she did a fantastic job exposing that she's a liar, charlatan, and a pseudo-intellectual of the highest order, but with a name like "DinesVictorious", no wonder a dogmatic zealot such as yourself couldn't exercise basic listening and critical thinking skills.
"they're not only harming themselves, subjecting their own bodies to sexual abuse"
Why can't they then get multiple part-time jobs then if it's so damned bad? I know men who have to work 3 part-time jobs, have no days off of work a week, and they make it. It's a rough life, but they do it. Women want equality? Get on your hat and start flipping patties like the rest of us. (cont.)
"but porn is addicting to others as well, even kids."
It's "addicting" in the sense that people are sexual creatures, there's absolutely nothing wrong with having sexual desires, to claim otherwise is to make thoughts a crime.
"and porn promoters have made no attempt to keep porn from kids"
Don't you fucking pretend they're standing there outside a middle-school handing out mags to any kid that passes by. They sell their merchandise to vendors... (cont.)
...who are then responsible for who gets it. They card on alcohol, cigarettes, and porn. Is it on the fault of the vendor or the porn industry if some old guy covers for a bunch of kids and buys them alcohol, cigarettes, and porn or is it on the fault of the old guy?
Any reasonable person with even the slightest hint of logic would blame the old guy.
"they actually encourage it because they need fresh blood to keep their industry going"
... it's own preservation in mind, I grant you that, but there's no need to look for "fresh-meat". There are PLENTY of men and women who are so far gone in terms of sexual satisfaction in relationships that they COME to the porn-industry of their own free-will to find some release for their sexual urges.
And bad things happen all the time to people, and it's usually their own fault. But sometimes it is out of their control (getting abused, raped). But the majority that get into the industry and feel trapped, aren't trapped. They can get out of it. What you seem to be mad at is Pimps and prostitution, not Porn. In which case, they still can escape from the life, they choose not to. So you can't just call their choices evil because it doesn't fit your world-view. It's ignorantly arrogant
@Phaze252 legally and physically they can get out of it but most of them are hooked by money, drugs and the sex. it's like criminals getting out of prison. they have no other skills besides their ciminal ways. so they commit more crimes. these porn makers only end up doing other sleazy things, prostitutions, etc. once you start on a wrong path, it's hard to get back to legitimacy. you can't erase porn from your life. I hate pimps, prostitution too. they're all evil.
Let's just hypothetically assume a woman, completely independently, no pimps, no overseers, nothing, decides she wants to become a prostitute, AGAIN, COMPLETELY INDEPENDENTLY, and goes into business by herself using protection and takes all the reasonable necessary precautions for these transactions to be safe and enjoyable for all.
So I'm not sure why you bothered bringing that up, has nothing to do with the problem.
And you're forgetting that some women are actually nymphomaniacs and truly enjoy sex and lots of it. So getting paid for it, is a much better job for them. I mean you can't say that Pornography is evil because some people are stuck doing it, because of their own faults...it's inane to do so.
Because many people are stuck being cashiers because of their own faults.
@Phaze252 I brought it up because you're obviously clueless about the right way to raise kids. it's been well documented that kids growing up in a household that's lacking in parental guidance or nurture have less chance of becoming productive adults. they need welfare. yes they are sluts and enjoy what they do. but the industry promoted that mentality. these women weren't raised properly either or were abuse by dads or boyfriends, etc. so abuse often leads to more abuse, not to kindness.
I don't recall a manual that comes down as you raise a child that's printed as the title "The Right Way For Children" There's single parent house-holds where kids end up being productive, and of course kids might be less productive with one parent, due to less attention and guidance. But that's not always the case, because studies have also shown that if you lose a parent (in some way or are ignored) in youth, you actually end up being more productive. Due to being self-reliant.
@Phaze252 I never said there was a manual. the "right way" supposedly should be passed down from generation to generation. it's created by love parents have for their children. you do everything you have to to protect them, prepare them for the world which is full of bad people who are selfish and prey on others, use others for personal gain and exploit others to satisfy their sick sexual fantasies. a lot of times, this nurture, guidance is lacking. so people are niave, make bad choices.
You know, the only thing that bothers me about the whole "whore" comment is, what if you would have said it to someone who isn't as fucking narcissistic as I am? Saying I have high self-esteem is an understatement. I adore myself. But what if you would have said it to another girl? One who took it to heart and felt ashamed? There are people out there who can't take insults from strangers on the internet and get hurt because of them. What if you would have damaged someone? Is that decent? Good?
@ErikaDonovan I only reserve the label "whore" for whores. women who enjoy porn and subject themselves to acts perform in porn sets, even with their own partner. if that's what they like to do, that's who they are. I only tell it like it is.
@dhom100 Also, it is not the porn industrys job to parent your children. It is YOURS. They are not the PORN INDUSTRY'S CHILDREN. You don't want your kids looking at porn? Then watch them browse or install Net Nanny or another program that tracks/controls the sites they view online. If they view something objectionable, it is YOUR JOB to set that straight. If they continue, take the computer away if it means so much to you. But for gods sake stop blaming others. Your kids = your responsibility.
@ErikaDonovan oh then I guess it's possible to watch what kids are doing 24 hours a day 7 days a week. these days parents don't have time so they use t.v. to babysit their kids or give them internet. you think it's so easy to control kids nowadays? ACLU made it possible for kids to file lawsuit against their parents. there's so many bad influences in society that parents are powerless unless they want to isolate their kids from society which can also get them in trouble with the law.
@dhom100 If you don't have time to parent the kids, don't have the kids. Don't expect anyone else to parent your GD kids unless you're going to pay them for the "honor." And like I said, there are programs that block certain websites or log which websites people go to. Use them, dole out punishment when necessary. No watching 24/7 required. I think it is sadder that parents don't take time with their kids. Why the fuck did you have them, then, if you were just gonna sit 'em in front of a box?
@ErikaDonovan wow your porn-corrupted view is very logical. if parents don't have time to raise kids then don't have kids. then I guess all the working parents should just suffer seeing others have kids and they can't. no that's not practical. what would be more practical is to have more adults in positions of power to influence others make responsible decisions in what is shown on t.v., magazines, etc and to be good role models for kids. but instead adults don't care.
@dhom100 What is more important? Making sure that a child is well-balanced, reared properly, given attention, and taken care of, or the selfish wish of a couple who wants kids when they have no time or no money? Are you going to put the wishes of a would-be parent in front of the needs of a child? Is that something a respectable woman would do? If so, I don't want to be respectable. :) Also, again -- Net Nanny. Parental controls on the television. Almost as easy as destroying your arguments.
Most of the arguments I've seen here are women saying; "Porn produces men that we don't want or don't want to have sex with"
My response to that is......... No one is forcing you to date, marry or please these men. This is sexual economics. Supply and demand. If the social market is not producing the type of man/ woman you want, go it alone!
@blkswimmer no has nothing to do with what women are saying. women are not in control in the porn industry. they're manipulated to think they are. men are doing all the talking and controlling. not enough people are aware of how damaging porn is to society. it took them 4 decades to invade and corrupt mainstream society, started with sexual revolution, free sex and all that. now there are all kinds of porn, even with animals. the sickness is crazy.
Really?? Do you read other comments but your own??
"porn numbs the mind to the ideas of caring, equality in the relationship,love."
"what about the women in those mens lives, what about THEIR FEELINGS. and does porn stop rape, or simply help to create a fantasy that hurts a women that these men are close to?"
Also, I ask you; What do you mean by "corrupt mainstream society,"??
@100percentNatural100 some people don't know enough to protect themselves. just like kids. adults have to protect kids right? otherwise it's open season. there are a lot of bad people in the world. not only that but we can't allow porn to be freely available. it's ridiculous how easily it is to get porn in the internet. how did we get to this point? because porn promoters are evil. they want kids to get drawn in. they need fresh blood to keep their industry going.
@dhom100 Look its sex. People have sex and they like what they like. Some people like chains and whips and some people like other things. If you want to protect your kid from porn then you can easily block those websites on your home computer. You kind of sound dumb talking about they are evil and want fresh blood.The performers in these videos WANT to do porn that's why they are doing it. Its just another form of adult entertainment.Porn and violence has DECREASED rape isnt that a good thing?
@100percentNatural100 no you are naive like a lot of people if you think porn decrease rape and violence. don't believe the phony reports and studies that are sponsored by porn promoters. its evilness is self-evident by the degenerative acts they do and by people who came out of the industry lives ruined forever and by testimonies of people addicted to it. it's big business and they don't care who they hurt or how many lives they ruined.
Translation: "I don't like the way people in porn have sex but I have no good reasons why other than my personal preference so I'll just scream "It's EVIL" and call anyone who doesn't believe my rantings a "lost soul".
@dhom100 people could be addicted to all kinds of things. theres a show about people with weird addictions like tanning. are you gonna blame the sun for ruining peoples lives? when does personal responsibility play a role? can you provide any evidance that could support your claim these studies are bogus or do you just choose to ignor them? you know people have been being raped for thousands of years, you want to blame somethig for rape how about the bible which condones it.
@pacheco28 yes you can blame the sun for ruining people's lives. just more ridiculous statements from a clueless product of modern society. people are responsible for their own actions. if they choose to view porn and become addicted and ruin their lives, they have nobody to blame but themselves. yes I get that. but the problem is people are not born mature with knowledge to protect themselves. they need guidance. sexual deviants and abuse on the human body is not healthy way to live.
@100percentNatural100 also it's not so simple as just block porn websites. I wish it were. it would be easier to protect kids. but the reality is that porn is very accessible to kids. don't take my word for it. type anything in the search engines, even things unrelated to porn, and porn websites or links pop up. and kids are naturally curious. doesn't take a genius to put two and two together. porn promoters do that intentionally to draw kids in while at the same time denying it.
So you're saying that sex is only good if people do it the way you want to do it. You spend a lot of time talking about what sex is "supposed to be". Sex is whatever you want it to be, it's your body. Quit trying to force your preferences on others.
You also say that people are too stupid and inept to be allowed to make their own decisions. Quit treating people like they're your goddamn children. That's extremely disrespectful and arrogant.
@thegillotine09 I'm not the one being disrespectful and arrogant. I'm trying to promote goodness and decency. you're the one who's condoning rape and disrespect toward women. yes sex is a beautiful thing. it allows us to keep our species going. and people like you turn it into filth and something degrading.
@dhom100 You're trying to promote YOUR OWN FORM of goodness and decency, which may not be the same as another person's. How you choose to live is up to you. How others' choose to live IS NOT up to you. Acting like you can make choices for others is what makes you come across as arrogant. You are 1 person in a world of billions. To me, sex can be beautiful... or it can be steamy, creative, fun, painful, playful, acrobatic, focused on me, focused on him. Who are YOU to say my way is wrong?
@ErikaDonovan I'm not the only one who believe porn is evil and damages society. there are anti porn activists out there. I'm not telling people how to live. I'm only speaking up against porn because I don't want more people to be hurt by it. a lot of you people are either numb by it or you enjoy it which only reflects the fact that porn has corrupted mainstream society. it change the norms or values. and you also don't care who hurts who.
@dhom100 No, you aren't the only one who believes porn is evil. There are plenty of other religious nuts out there, or misguided feminists, who think the same thing. But there are also plenty of people who believe the same as me... And what if you're wrong? What if porn actually helps to PREVENT rape. A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. Did you know that? What if that is because people are substituting pornography for forced sex? Still evil?
@ErikaDonovan oh ok I'm now one of the religious nuts. I didn't know that thanks. and let me see. I disagree. I think porn must result in a net access increase of 40 percent rape among viewers and 50 percent on porn sets, especially the gang rape. but that's ok. the women are getting paid. and yes you're right there are other dumbasses like you who share your view about porn. that only support my belief how ingrain it is in this society. but there are good people too who are against it.
@dhom100 I didn't say you were a religious nut. I don't know what your religion is, or if you have one. If I had to guess, it would be Fundamentalist Christian or Muslim. They're notorious for thinking a natural act like sex is dirty and immoral. I would assume they'd be the kind of people to call someone who has been in a monogamous relationship for 6 years a whore because they liked watching porn. I would assume you arent a feminist. We tend not to slut shame each other. So am I right?
@ErikaDonovan lol no you're not right. but keep guessing. and Fundamentalists are good people who don't think sex is dirty or immoral. sex can be beautiful and I like it. but people like you turn it into something dirty and immoral. and monogamy is how it's suppose to be. there's no danger of sexually transmitted diseases so you can have sex as many times as you want and without condoms.
@dhom100 Monogamy is my way, not because of morals, but because I choose to it. However, in my opinion, not being monogamous is not wrong. It isn't dirty or immoral. Being in an open relationship isn't wrong, so long as everyone consents. I think this is how morals should be guided: so long as all parties involved have consented, then why should it be wrong? What gives you or anyone the right to step in and enforce your version of "good"? You simply don't wield that sort of power. And shouldn't.
@ErikaDonovan how do you justify "open" friends with benefits relationship when people bring sexually transmitted diseases into their own family? I don't know if you've ever contracted any but it's not pretty. sometimes it's like playing Russian Roulette. the suffering and agony people go through getting treatments. if you care about humanity, you're morally obligated to educated people about the dangers and how to live healthy.
Don't worry, guys are used to hearing "no" all the time, but since porn is there, they don't have to keep it in their pants anymore, they can relieve their tension much quicker and without much trouble or cost.
Today's women are just too expensive - financially and emotionally.
You have to support them and juggle between their precious feelings and your needs as a man.
Then why the hell do they get married? So they have to ask their wives if they can please get some sex? Pathetic.
That's funny, when I have sex it's pretty loving and caring. The existence of porn hasn't really done anything to influence my sex life. Maybe you should find a guy who's loving and caring instead of hanging around people who want to brutalize you or are so stupid that they feel the need to imitate everything they see?
@thegillotine09 oh but it has had very damaging influence on the lives of many people. just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it's ok. would you want your daughter to be treat like a piece of meat to have sex with? for guys to gang rape. if you do, you don't know what love is. I'm convince that porn is one of the biggest destructive forces in a modern society and cause social problems in our society.
If my daughter was gang raped then I would call the authorities since that is against the law. If she wanted to have sex with multiple partners and was an adult then I would trust that since I raised her to think rationally that she was doing what she felt was right for her. Similarly, if she wanted to perform degrading physical acts by working in a sewage processing plant then I'd let her do that too.
@thegillotine09 no you wouldn't have raised her to think rationally because that's not rational thinking. sex with multiple partners is degrading. that's why we have social problems and people hurting each other because of people like you who don't have good values and you become parents and so your kids won't have good values. would you call the cops if your daughter was gang rape on porn set but getting paid for it?
It's not rape if it's consensual,that's a primary part of the definition of rape: sex against your will.
You say that having sex with multiple partners is degrading. That's your opinion. My opinion is that it wouldn't be as enjoyable as portrayed, but that's just me. Other people don't think it's degrading at all, and you should leave those people alone.
@thegillotine09 yes I know what the definition of rape is. and you people use that technicality to rape women on camera and getting away with it. a lot of these women are not of sound mind. they often come from broken homes, are abused by their father or boyfriends, or may be on drugs. they can't find legitimate work. porn makers don't care. they prey on women like that. I want to protect women. we need to bring back good decent values so women are respected again.
@thegillotine09 Ironic you mention slavery. the sex trade is the new slavery for a lot of women. they can't find a better alternative. they may be hooked on drugs/sex. it's a vicious cycle they can't get out of. you may not rape women but a lot of guys fantasize about doing just that watching porn because that's how they treat women on camera. waitresses, maids, musicians are not of sound mind? how do you figure that? these women are more respectable than sluts in porn.
You don't think there's drug abuse in the music industry? Are you insane?
It sounds to me like you despise women since you are unable to respect their decisions and feel the need to control their lives. It also sounds like you hate sex since you think it's inherently degrading.
If I enter a sauna competition and sit in a 240 degree room wouldn't you consider that torture? Since you don't care about consent, does that mean the people who hosted the competition should be punished?
@thegillotine09 it sounds to me like you're just a dumb ass. of course there are drug use in the industry. many people in it admitted to it. do some research. sex is not degrading if use the right way. it suppose to be beautiful moment between loving couples in their private bedrooms, not for all to see and exploited for profits.
and yes all those who promote filth should be punished and prosecuted. they're ruining society.
"Hooked on sex"? That says a lot about where you're coming from. Sex is not an evil addiction, it's natural. Normal people have a natural desire to have sex.
"A lot of men fantasize about raping women"
Well unless you're a mind reader, you're projecting your own fantasies onto others. You think about sex as rape and therefore anyone having sex is being raped and anyone fantasizing about sex is fantasizing about rape.
@thegillotine09 if that's true all babies born would automatically be addicted to sex. whatever kids are expose to directly determines the kind of adults they become. it is the type of uncaring adult attitude that you're projecting that is one of the biggest problems in our society. yes porn is one of the most evil things that can degrade a society and so we need to banish it. we would be better off without people like you around.
Nearly all people are "automatically addicted" to sex in the same way that they are "automatically addicted" to food or social relationships. People have a NATURAL BIOLOGICAL URGE to fornicate.
@thegillotine09 yeah then you don't even know what addiction is or how it happens. you're a lost soul. and I shouldn't waste my time trying to educate you. like I said, our society would be better off without people like you.
Many people consider gay sex to be inherently degrading. Your mindset is identical to those who would pass sodomy bans.
The reason we have social problems is that weak people like you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions. You blame your thoughts and actions on society and try to force other people to live as you do because you're uncomfortable with or incapable of letting other people live their own lives as they see fit.
@thegillotine09 what's wrong with being good and decent? what's wrong with treating women with respect? why do people have to be so evil? I"m not a weak person. I stand up for people who can't defend themselves or who are bullied. I take responsibility for my actions every day. I'm honest. I don't cheat or manipulate others for personal gain. I know that abuse can only lead to more abuse. nothing good ever comes of it. so we need to end the cycle of abuse.
Nothing, and you should treat women with respect by respecting their decisions instead of acting patriarchal and assuming that anyone who has different desires than you is evil.
@thegillotine09 that's like saying if women wanted to be beaten or slapped around, we all should respect their decisions. abuse is still abuse, torture is still torture, killing is still killing. it doesn't matter if it's consentual or not. sometimes good people have to step in and set boundaries. a lot of women are used to being treated badly so they don't know right from wrong. you can't trust them to make the right decisions to protect themselves or they can't find good jobs.
I'm confused. Dines says that the viewer thinks of porn as softcore playboy stuff, but then says that "mainstream porn" is violent and body punishing. That seems like a contradiction: if the mainstream porn was violent, then mainstream people would think of violence when they hear "porn".
hmmm if you dont like porn dont watch it and dont get involved in the industry,let other adults make their own choices.yes it can be degrading but not for all women just the performers but they choose to do it so who are we to tell them what to do,they are just earning a living the way they want..and they dont have to do the violent porn as well but again they choose to.no one is forced to do anything.
I only intended to quote this much, not what Weiss concludes from it about beings "a boys night out": It's mogul exploitation of youth and ignorance of young women.
“Porn captures these women [its performers] before they get smart,” [Philip Weiss] said in a hot whisper as we sat in Schiller’s Liquor Bar on the Lower East Side. Porn exploited the sexual desires, and naïveté, of women in their early twenties, he went on … ”---Ross Douthat, The Atlantic, Oct. 2008
“Porn captures these women [its performers] before they get smart,” [Philip Weiss] said in a hot whisper as we sat in Schiller’s Liquor Bar on the Lower East Side. Porn exploited the sexual desires, and naïveté, of women in their early twenties, he went on … He spoke of acts he observed online that his wife wouldn’t do. “It’s painful to say, but that’s your boys’ night out, and it takes an enlightened woman to say that.”---Ross Douthat, The Atlantic, Oct. 2008
Also, if women think men should beg them for sex and treat them like princesses just to "get some", they shouldn't wonder when men find other ways to satisfy their needs. That's hypocritical, to say the least.
You're barking at the wrong tree here. Porn is mostly designed to provide MEN a way to relieve their sexual tension in certain moment they can't find a female partner. Are you that deluded not to know women are totally different from men?
Men have needs that women can't possibly understand. Our hormones and our physique dictate our needs, and porn is there almost exclusively for MEN.
So if you want "equal this and that" go find yourself a boyfriend/girlfriend, don't watch porn.
Every anti-porn argument I've heard in this comment section has missed the point of porn and failed to understand the nature of porn. I have still not heard a single legitimate argument against porn.
@laserthebeam2 Oh, bullshit. You ascribe evil powers to porn that it simply does not have. More importantly, you treat porn viewers, and video game players for that matter, as without agency and completely passive in the face of media input. In actuality, people's interactions with media are a hell of a lot more complicated than that.
@laserthebeam2 "hey, isn't that how porn really works. all for the pleasure and lust of men, and nothing for the woman." That indeed describes *some* porn. By no means all, or even most. I guess asking you to recognize that porn is varied *genre*, just like any other kind of media would require you to get your head out your ideology for a bit. Not sure if you're capable of that or not. Most self-described "radical feminists" aren't, sadly.
@laserthebeam2 Real men respect women, most women i know ( at least i would like to believe) don't enjoy being slapped, spit on, called degrading things or being gagged, so why would you make it into a sexual norm? It's apparent that a lot of *boys* are profiting from this, time for the men to have a little 'talk' with them.
Porn itself isn't gonna make you do anything. The people themselves are responsible for doing what they want to do. It's like saying those who enjoy watching horror movies are in danger of becoming serial killers. The problem isn't porn.
@sigurjong your analogy of serial killing from watching horror movies is flawed. people know that killing is against the law they wouldn't want to get in trouble for it. Porn is totally different. the law allows responsible adults to produce, buy, and sell porn. they make people assume oh it's something everybody can enjoy. if you have it, use it. problem is not all adults are responsible and mature. kids get expose to it too. but who cares about kids right?
@dhom100 Flawed? In both cases we are talking about viewing material. Did you know that some people think porn can make you commit rape? This is why we are debating this. It is the question of whether porn can make you do something you wouldn't otherwise do and what I'm saying is people need to be responsible for their own actions. You're not gonna be going in to court saying "Your honor. I raped that woman because porn forced me to do it." Think before you write.
@sigurjong yes I do know and agree that porn can influence rape. because that's what are happening to women on camera in porn set even though they're too dumb or misguided to notice it. scum bags like you are manipulating others to believe the fallacy that porn is harmless but you can't hide the fact that a lot of people are hurt, their lives ruined forever by porn. thousands of young women are being exploited to satisfy your sick twisted fantasies and making porn promoters wealthy.
@sigurjong haha! there has been cases where, people who watch horror movies, will reinact the horror movie, for real too, they will kidnap people, and cut them up etc..., of course these are mental people, but still it happens. Then there is porn, there has been cases where men watch porn, then expect there girl-friend or wife to do what women do in porn, wheather its gross, painful, scary, or whatever makes the partner feel disgusted and discomforted, and they feel like they are forced into it.
@laserthebeam2 Also, if you're allying with organizations like Porn Harms, or its various fronts like AntiPorn.org, you're allying with the religious right, specifically Morality in Media. And any claims to be against the religious right would be so much bullshit in case.
@laserthebeam2 Well, I don't know about your particular politics, but if you're like most "radical feminists" that I encounter around these parts, I'd say that would be promoting pretty much the same sexually conservative agenda, but with rhetoric that tries to make it sound oh-so-radical. Needless to say, I'm not any more impressed by this than by Leninists who claim what they're trying to build is in the end much different from fascism. Same shit, different theory.
@laserthebeam2 you say it well, about equality, people (men) that dont understand what equality is, are dangerous men, men that are into porn are psychologically dangerous for women. Always steer clear of them.
@UserXer0 No proof that porn stops rape, but the negative correlation between availability of porn and rates of sexual violence is a powerful *falsification* of the claim that porn causes sexual violence.
SHUT UP FATTY NO ONE WANTS TO LOOK AT YOU SAYING PORN IS BAD
LET THE HOT AND SEXY WOMEN DECIDE ON PORN
GreatCoolAnime 1 week ago
Oh god... I raged so hard on this video.
0:29 - I just typed "porn" into google and checked images. What body punishing? What women getting gagged by dicks? What cruel sex? Nothing on the damned first page! If it's mainstream, it should be on the damned first page!
2:05 - LIES! SHE IS LYING THROUGH HER FUCKING TEETH!
2:31 - Look at this disrespectful piece of shit interrupting Jeremy? He gave her the courtesy to express her views and then all of a sudden she goes into a bitch-fit.
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Bluedragon094 2 months ago
@Bluedragon094
2:44 - What a fucking bitch. Acting all indignant because a man dared to have an equal turn in speaking!
2:50 - So women make more hardcore porn than men do? So let's hate men and let's get rid of porn because men are evil, which is essentially what all of Gail Dines's bullshit boils down to anyway?
Can we please run her out of every first-world country already? She is clearly unfit for decent society, let alone conversation as evidenced in this video.
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
I THINK PORN IS GROOVY
matchbox555 3 months ago
Gail Dines is an idiot. She has no Idea what gonzo is, she thinks that Max Hardcore is this revered figure in the industry, and her claims can be easily negated by just looking up the alexa traffic statistics.
Meex1989 4 months ago
How can a scientific study judge how demeaning something is? Demeaning has no clear cut way of being measured. What's demeaning to me might not be demeaning to you and vice versa, it's all subjective.
DelinquentBilly 4 months ago
what can i say some people like it rough :)
FIGHTFANNERD3 4 months ago
@CreepersAndCows idiot
FIGHTFANNERD3 4 months ago
I am a virgin
StevenTheVirgin38 5 months ago
@dhom100 Anyway... since I'm just rehashing what I've said already (which you seem at a loss to address), I'll let you have the last word (since you seem so desperate for it). Thank you for the amusement the past few days. I hope that you end up breaking free of religion, if that is what has its hold on you. And if it does, it is no wonder that you try to shame me... because you probably feel a great deal of religious shame yourself. I'm sorry but I can't share that burden with you.
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan lol I'm never desperate. I get what I want. thank you too for the amusement even though I might lost a few brain cells thinking about your unintelligible comments.
dhom100 6 months ago
That fat chick gave me wood She is a durty girl.
TheMrgoku1985 6 months ago
O please, as if the women don't have any say if they want to be fucked...... People are just bad. Watching porn isn't gonna make you rape and murder.
Falloutglitch 6 months ago
@Falloutglitch it gives guys fantasy to rape or treat their spouse/girlfriends the same way porn actresses are treated.
dhom100 6 months ago
to all you dumbasses and swingers, another porn actor tested positive for HIV.
dhom100 6 months ago
I am a woman and I absolutely love porn, ESPECIALLY the rough stuff. I am firmly grounded in reality and do not expect that I will rape anyone soon. It has not influenced my view of men: they are not just disembodied cocks to me but human beings with thoughts and feelings. I do not see myself or other women as just sex toys. Time for people to take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming things outside themselves. You'll only view women as objects if you're already a sexist bastard
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago 4
@ErikaDonovan you think like that because you're a whore. oh I know that offended you but if the shoe fits, wear it. you wanna talk about taking responsibility. why don't porn promoters take the responsibility of doing everything they can to keep porn from kids? yeah put it on the internet. the truth is they make it easily accessible to corrupt mainstream society and get more young people interested. people get used to it and perverted sex becomes normal.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 You didnt offend me. Calling a woman a whore is just a shaming technique and I am too far above it to be affected. The only person youve shamed is yourself. You speak one minute about goodness and decency and the next, you are calling someone you dont even know a whore. It speaks volumes about YOU, not me. It isnt very effective against a BEAUTIFUL, FREE, and AMAZING woman who knows who she is and doesnt give a rats ass what you think b/c it doesnt begin to change how she views herself.
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan Oh I know you do give a rats ass what people think of you. but you can't change who you are.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 Everyone cares about what people think of them. But if I cared what YOU thought about me, I'd commit ritualistic suicide for the dishonor of being that goddamned pathetic, to let someone like you define me. Whys it so important to you that Im affected by your erroneous words? Does your self-esteem require that others think badly of themselves? Sad. Also Orla Fallon > Chloe Agnew. Orla has a beautiful accent when she sings and has a rich womanly voice. Listen to Siuil A Run. 10x better
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan don't compare yourself to respectable women. you're not in their league. you don't need me to define who you are. you dishonor yourself by what you choose to do or how you live and has no affect on my esteem.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 If you're considered a respectable woman, you're right. I'm not in your league. I'm so much better than that. But keep trying. My boyfriend and I find you ENTIRELY amusing. You're probably much older than me, and I think it is incredibly sad that I had to be the one to tell you that shaming behavior is unacceptable. You act all high and mighty while trying to tear someone else down. Too bad you're like the big bad wolf huffing and puffing against brick. It's just a lot of hot air.
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan when I said you're not in their league, I meant they're so much better than you are. it's no joke. if you're a whore and still proud of yourself, you have no place beside these women. you can't pretend to be good sometimes and other times do things that are immoral and indecent. I put all respectable women on a pedestal because they are special and rare in the modern society. so just hang out with your fellow rapists and perverts.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 Honey, I didn't begin to believe I was a whore in the first place. Even if I slept around, your words would have no effect on me, because I know what they are--slut-shaming techniques. You do not hold the power to make me feel guilty or inferior. You do not have the power to degrade my beautiful personality. In my view, you are the immoral one for trying... though I think you do it because you feel insecure. There is nothing wrong with embracing your sexuality. You should try it.
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan I know that no girl starts out as whores. I'm sure you were a precious little girl once but made some bad choices after meeting a few "mr wrong". my sexuality is well embraced and healthy thanks for caring.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 And I bet it really really gets under your skin that I don't care what you think. It's probably why you keep coming back and trying again. Maybe this is an eye-opening experience for you. Maybe you're realizing the world doesn't revolve around you or your opinions. And some people don't even care what you have to say. You're so vain. I bet you think this post is about you. LOL
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan lol no I really really don't care honestly. I keep coming back because you responded to my comments. regardless of what people think about me, I will keep talking and standing up against porn and all that is evil in society. I was brought up the right way but I know that a lot of people aren't and I feel bad for them. but I will be honest and say it like it is without fear and stand up for what's right. I know you're not being personal.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 You act like the "right way" is set in stone, as if there is some sort of objective morality out there that trumps opinion, that morality isn't dependent of the individual. There are some people who think homosexuality is wrong, and others who don't. Some people think abortion is wrong, and others don't. Some people think porn is wrong, and others don't. There is no 100% set in stone code of morality that everyone follows. You act like there is, and it is yours. How fucking arrogant.
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan a lot of people think homosexuality is wrong and I agree with them. so is perverted sex. the anus is not design for sex. there's no moral code of conduct, no officially. some think it's the 10 commandments. morality all has to do with self preservation and acting in the best interest of everyone. but the problem is a lot of people are selfish. they act to satisfy their own interests and don't care who they hurt or exploit. that's when they do things that are immoral.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
You're an idiot.
"Homosexuality is wrong and
The anus wasn't designed for sex, so that makes it wrong to use it for sex? "
Well, for one, the anus wasn't designed at all. It evolved.
Secondly, you're assuming it's wrong for people to use their bodies against natures intentions...well, your brain didn't evolve to read, and your arm didn't evolve to wipe your own ass, but we made them do so. Now either stop being a hypocrite by ceasing reading and wiping, or educate yourself.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 you're the idiot and most likely a pervert as well. yes I know it evolved base on form and function. reading is not the same thing as having sex and there's no harm in reading. and I guess you'd rather have somebody else wipe your ass for you. do you even know what the word hypocrit means? I'm speaking up against homosexuality so to you means I'm a closet homo. I have nothing against sex or doing things for happiness, but not at the expense of harming others.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
There's quite possibly a harm in reading, depending on what you read. Just like there's a possibility of sex being harmful depending on what you have sex with (and more often who).
Homosexuality doesn't harm others, you cretin. If you meet someone that also is gay, and you consent to intercourse, how is that remotely wrong? Or even harmful.
And I don't think you're a closet homo, but I do think you follow arbitrary opinions in deference.
Come up with a good reason why it's wrong.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 ok I guess reading smut can be harmful to kids. I was referring to more bodily harm or abuse. Homosexuality can be harmful as well. a lot of diseases can be spread. Homosexuality is still a minority so I worry about normal kids having to grow up in a gay household. the world is confusing enough for them without this. but I really don't have problem with gays. it's not evil like porn is.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
Kids won't be confused. They aren't born with prejudices, keep their curiosity and they'll be fine for the most part.
Diseases spread through merely touching too, we don't refrain from that though.
Porn isn't "evil". It's recorded sex that probably has stopped as Ron Jeremy said, quite a few sexual assaults. Though yes, it can be detrimental in certain cases mainly to children IF they find solace in it. But you can't charge porn for the rare cases of how someone may perceive it.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 sure they would if they're normal. why don't I have a daddy or a mommy? they need influence from two different perspective while growing up. a lot of times they will be picked on. of course even a nuclear family nowadays don't guarantee good child rearing but that's another story. Disease is spread mainly through bodily fluid or airborne, not by touching. yes porn is evil. thousands of women are exploited and trapped in it. guys have found ways to sexually abuse women legally.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
You explain it to them, also you don't need two different perspectives. You have heard of single parents right?
Mainly through airborne or bodily fluid but not touching? How do you get into contact with the bodily fluid or secretions?
If women wanted to get out of the porn industry, they can. But they don't. Go to the AVN's some time and tell me how depressed they are.
Given, some may be coerced but, the majority aren't. Doesn't make porn EVIL or even wrong.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 a lot of single parent households are part of the problem in society. the one parent is too busy with work and don't have time to take care of the kids. you can contract STD with sexual contact or blood if skin is broken. you can't catch something by touching intact skin. it's a barrier. not all the porn victims get to go the AVN, only the most well known performers. some of them on drugs. most can't find a real job that's why they do it. it's disgusting, deprave way to survive.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
You really need to re-examine what you're pushing.
And touching is the main source of transmission, not directly from skin, I never even implied that.
And again, you need to re-examine it..they're in a situation that they choose to be in. It may be disgusting to you, but that doesn't make it a detrimental way to survive. In-fact it's still a much better way than to be stricken with poverty and being a beggar. Some of them are on drugs, like some intellectuals are. (Continued)
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 I don't need to do anything. I've researched and learned enough about porn to make me sick about how they used people. I'm not the only one. there will always be good people to speak up against it. I'm only speaking the truth. a lot of people have suffered and are still suffering because of porn and if you wanna defend it, you're either a clueless pawn or you have an interest, either monetary or you're a pervert.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 And yes that may be true, that some women are in the industry due to bad past experiences, but honing up your epithets and making slut sound like a such a pejorative is actually degrading to the probably equal many that are in it because they ENJOY it and not because of a psychological dependency of some sort. You're judging the entire industry as evil and malevolent, it's just not true and you're not good for noticing porn is much like many other industries.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 yes they enjoy it we've established that but that's what they're used to. they become numb. that's expected of them if they want to be successful in the business. they're forced to submitt themselves to all kinds of sexual abuses and treated in demeaning ways if they want to make money. and most of the money go to promoters, lawyers, executives anyway, not the performers. it's an evil industry. I wouldn't want women I care about to get into it.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
That's quintessentially the same exact concept every other major company uses. Just without sex.
And you realize you said they can get out of it, but they're "hooked" so you admittedly said it's their own fault.
Also, how is that a wrong path? What makes it wrong if they CAN get out of it, but they choose not to? And it's not harming anyone else in the process. Tell me, how is that a wrong path?
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 I have repeatedly stated why it's the wrong path but people like you refuse to listen because you either have an interest in porn, monetary or you like it. they're not only harming themselves, subjecting their own bodies to sexual abuse, but porn is addicting to others as well, even kids. and porn promoters have made no attempt to keep porn from kids; they actually encourage it because they need fresh blood to keep their industry going--so ultimately it harms society.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
That's not stating why it's wrong.
They're hurting themselves. - It's THEIR body.
It's addictive. - Sex in general is addictive, so is Cocaine, Nicotine and Alcohol. It's peoples fault if they get addicted.
They encourage Children. - Not once, on even free porn sites have I seen an advert for children. So GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 see what I mean. the denial. I know where I stand. you're either clueless or you're a pervert. yes all I stated are valid reasons why it's wrong. they've ruined their lives forever. people see them as sluts and whores. addictions and abuse are all ok to you because you don't care. I care about people. everyone should learn to take care of themselves and their loved ones and those who are evil should be ostracized and punished.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
Nice to know my earlier point about you following things in deference was true.
It's ok though, we can't all break free from the idiocies that the majority of society lay on us. I'm done trying to show you how puerile your logic and your apparent righteously-fanatic moral ground is.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 I don't follow anybody's views. I learn and make my own judgments. it's not idiotic to care about right or wrong. it's idiotic to fall prey to the manipulattions put forth by the porn promoters. a lot of lives have been ruined while they're getting wealthy. they don't care who gets hurt or if kids gain access to their filth.
dhom100 6 months ago
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@dhom100
"I don't follow anybody's views."
"they don't care who gets hurt or if kids gain access to their filth."
Oh fuck you, you self-righteous asshole. You surely didn't get that idea all by yourself. You're so transparent in your bias. There's nothing wrong with a bias, don't get me wrong, but don't be sitting there with a smug shit-eating grin telling me you "don't follow anybody's views", like hell you don't.
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
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Bluedragon094 2 months ago
@dhom100 you are right on the mark. And Ron Jeremy is just a completely vile person. Gail Dines has done a fantastic job at exposing the dangers that pornography does to people both physically and mentally.
DinesVictorious 4 months ago
@DinesVictorious yeah she's absolutely right. women say they want to be respected and have equality and all that but then a lot of them are manipulated to think porn is good for them. with porn, guys have found ways to abuse women sexually, mentally. it's their playground. other guys who view porn often treat their own girlfriends the same way. Jeremy is like a lot of ugly pricks who get to live out their fantasies with attractive women so of course he's there protecting his interest.
dhom100 4 months ago
@dhom100
You're a sick piece of shit. You actually believe women are so helpless and weak that they get "corrupted" and "manipulated", which is so far divorced from reality it's laughable.
Really? So the porn produced by women that is more hardcore and brutal, apparently, than the stuff men produce is somehow makes a "Man's playground"? How do you figure? And why would it be on the fault of all men everywhere that women produce more hardcore stuff?
You don't make any sense, at all.
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
@DinesVictorious
Y'know, for being a completely vile person, Jeremy was more than civil in this "debate" while Dines on the other hand was interrupting him out of fucking turn.
She did? Actually she did a fantastic job exposing that she's a liar, charlatan, and a pseudo-intellectual of the highest order, but with a name like "DinesVictorious", no wonder a dogmatic zealot such as yourself couldn't exercise basic listening and critical thinking skills.
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
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@dhom100 [1]
"an interest in porn, monetary or you like it."
Nothing from the industry.
"they're not only harming themselves, subjecting their own bodies to sexual abuse"
Why can't they then get multiple part-time jobs then if it's so damned bad? I know men who have to work 3 part-time jobs, have no days off of work a week, and they make it. It's a rough life, but they do it. Women want equality? Get on your hat and start flipping patties like the rest of us. (cont.)
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
@dhom100 [2]
"but porn is addicting to others as well, even kids."
It's "addicting" in the sense that people are sexual creatures, there's absolutely nothing wrong with having sexual desires, to claim otherwise is to make thoughts a crime.
"and porn promoters have made no attempt to keep porn from kids"
Don't you fucking pretend they're standing there outside a middle-school handing out mags to any kid that passes by. They sell their merchandise to vendors... (cont.)
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
@dhom100 [3]
...who are then responsible for who gets it. They card on alcohol, cigarettes, and porn. Is it on the fault of the vendor or the porn industry if some old guy covers for a bunch of kids and buys them alcohol, cigarettes, and porn or is it on the fault of the old guy?
Any reasonable person with even the slightest hint of logic would blame the old guy.
"they actually encourage it because they need fresh blood to keep their industry going"
Every industry has... (cont.)
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
@dhom100 [4]
... it's own preservation in mind, I grant you that, but there's no need to look for "fresh-meat". There are PLENTY of men and women who are so far gone in terms of sexual satisfaction in relationships that they COME to the porn-industry of their own free-will to find some release for their sexual urges.
"so ultimately it harms society."
In what way?
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
@dhom100
And bad things happen all the time to people, and it's usually their own fault. But sometimes it is out of their control (getting abused, raped). But the majority that get into the industry and feel trapped, aren't trapped. They can get out of it. What you seem to be mad at is Pimps and prostitution, not Porn. In which case, they still can escape from the life, they choose not to. So you can't just call their choices evil because it doesn't fit your world-view. It's ignorantly arrogant
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 legally and physically they can get out of it but most of them are hooked by money, drugs and the sex. it's like criminals getting out of prison. they have no other skills besides their ciminal ways. so they commit more crimes. these porn makers only end up doing other sleazy things, prostitutions, etc. once you start on a wrong path, it's hard to get back to legitimacy. you can't erase porn from your life. I hate pimps, prostitution too. they're all evil.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
"I hate pimps, prostitution too."
Let's just hypothetically assume a woman, completely independently, no pimps, no overseers, nothing, decides she wants to become a prostitute, AGAIN, COMPLETELY INDEPENDENTLY, and goes into business by herself using protection and takes all the reasonable necessary precautions for these transactions to be safe and enjoyable for all.
What is the harm? How is it evil?
Bluedragon094 2 months ago
@dhom100
So I'm not sure why you bothered bringing that up, has nothing to do with the problem.
And you're forgetting that some women are actually nymphomaniacs and truly enjoy sex and lots of it. So getting paid for it, is a much better job for them. I mean you can't say that Pornography is evil because some people are stuck doing it, because of their own faults...it's inane to do so.
Because many people are stuck being cashiers because of their own faults.
That doesn't make it evil.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 I brought it up because you're obviously clueless about the right way to raise kids. it's been well documented that kids growing up in a household that's lacking in parental guidance or nurture have less chance of becoming productive adults. they need welfare. yes they are sluts and enjoy what they do. but the industry promoted that mentality. these women weren't raised properly either or were abuse by dads or boyfriends, etc. so abuse often leads to more abuse, not to kindness.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
I don't recall a manual that comes down as you raise a child that's printed as the title "The Right Way For Children" There's single parent house-holds where kids end up being productive, and of course kids might be less productive with one parent, due to less attention and guidance. But that's not always the case, because studies have also shown that if you lose a parent (in some way or are ignored) in youth, you actually end up being more productive. Due to being self-reliant.
Phaze252 6 months ago
@Phaze252 I never said there was a manual. the "right way" supposedly should be passed down from generation to generation. it's created by love parents have for their children. you do everything you have to to protect them, prepare them for the world which is full of bad people who are selfish and prey on others, use others for personal gain and exploit others to satisfy their sick sexual fantasies. a lot of times, this nurture, guidance is lacking. so people are niave, make bad choices.
dhom100 6 months ago
You know, the only thing that bothers me about the whole "whore" comment is, what if you would have said it to someone who isn't as fucking narcissistic as I am? Saying I have high self-esteem is an understatement. I adore myself. But what if you would have said it to another girl? One who took it to heart and felt ashamed? There are people out there who can't take insults from strangers on the internet and get hurt because of them. What if you would have damaged someone? Is that decent? Good?
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan I only reserve the label "whore" for whores. women who enjoy porn and subject themselves to acts perform in porn sets, even with their own partner. if that's what they like to do, that's who they are. I only tell it like it is.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 Also, it is not the porn industrys job to parent your children. It is YOURS. They are not the PORN INDUSTRY'S CHILDREN. You don't want your kids looking at porn? Then watch them browse or install Net Nanny or another program that tracks/controls the sites they view online. If they view something objectionable, it is YOUR JOB to set that straight. If they continue, take the computer away if it means so much to you. But for gods sake stop blaming others. Your kids = your responsibility.
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan oh then I guess it's possible to watch what kids are doing 24 hours a day 7 days a week. these days parents don't have time so they use t.v. to babysit their kids or give them internet. you think it's so easy to control kids nowadays? ACLU made it possible for kids to file lawsuit against their parents. there's so many bad influences in society that parents are powerless unless they want to isolate their kids from society which can also get them in trouble with the law.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 If you don't have time to parent the kids, don't have the kids. Don't expect anyone else to parent your GD kids unless you're going to pay them for the "honor." And like I said, there are programs that block certain websites or log which websites people go to. Use them, dole out punishment when necessary. No watching 24/7 required. I think it is sadder that parents don't take time with their kids. Why the fuck did you have them, then, if you were just gonna sit 'em in front of a box?
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan wow your porn-corrupted view is very logical. if parents don't have time to raise kids then don't have kids. then I guess all the working parents should just suffer seeing others have kids and they can't. no that's not practical. what would be more practical is to have more adults in positions of power to influence others make responsible decisions in what is shown on t.v., magazines, etc and to be good role models for kids. but instead adults don't care.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 What is more important? Making sure that a child is well-balanced, reared properly, given attention, and taken care of, or the selfish wish of a couple who wants kids when they have no time or no money? Are you going to put the wishes of a would-be parent in front of the needs of a child? Is that something a respectable woman would do? If so, I don't want to be respectable. :) Also, again -- Net Nanny. Parental controls on the television. Almost as easy as destroying your arguments.
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan i cant say it any better myself u rock
FIGHTFANNERD3 4 months ago
i still love porn. it makes my fantasies
zaitovssilencer 6 months ago
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MonushiZukuto 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2 Most feminists take their ideas to the extreme.
linkfan22 6 months ago
Most of the arguments I've seen here are women saying; "Porn produces men that we don't want or don't want to have sex with"
My response to that is......... No one is forcing you to date, marry or please these men. This is sexual economics. Supply and demand. If the social market is not producing the type of man/ woman you want, go it alone!
blkswimmer 6 months ago
@blkswimmer no has nothing to do with what women are saying. women are not in control in the porn industry. they're manipulated to think they are. men are doing all the talking and controlling. not enough people are aware of how damaging porn is to society. it took them 4 decades to invade and corrupt mainstream society, started with sexual revolution, free sex and all that. now there are all kinds of porn, even with animals. the sickness is crazy.
dhom100 6 months ago
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@dhom100
"nothing to do with what women are saying"
Really?? Do you read other comments but your own??
"porn numbs the mind to the ideas of caring, equality in the relationship,love."
"what about the women in those mens lives, what about THEIR FEELINGS. and does porn stop rape, or simply help to create a fantasy that hurts a women that these men are close to?"
Also, I ask you; What do you mean by "corrupt mainstream society,"??
blkswimmer 6 months ago
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blkswimmer 6 months ago
Lots of chicks like to get choked. Its there decision if they want to perform in these types of movies. They don't have a gun to there head.
100percentNatural100 6 months ago
@100percentNatural100 some people don't know enough to protect themselves. just like kids. adults have to protect kids right? otherwise it's open season. there are a lot of bad people in the world. not only that but we can't allow porn to be freely available. it's ridiculous how easily it is to get porn in the internet. how did we get to this point? because porn promoters are evil. they want kids to get drawn in. they need fresh blood to keep their industry going.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 Look its sex. People have sex and they like what they like. Some people like chains and whips and some people like other things. If you want to protect your kid from porn then you can easily block those websites on your home computer. You kind of sound dumb talking about they are evil and want fresh blood.The performers in these videos WANT to do porn that's why they are doing it. Its just another form of adult entertainment.Porn and violence has DECREASED rape isnt that a good thing?
100percentNatural100 6 months ago
@100percentNatural100 no you are naive like a lot of people if you think porn decrease rape and violence. don't believe the phony reports and studies that are sponsored by porn promoters. its evilness is self-evident by the degenerative acts they do and by people who came out of the industry lives ruined forever and by testimonies of people addicted to it. it's big business and they don't care who they hurt or how many lives they ruined.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
Translation: "I don't like the way people in porn have sex but I have no good reasons why other than my personal preference so I'll just scream "It's EVIL" and call anyone who doesn't believe my rantings a "lost soul".
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@dhom100 people could be addicted to all kinds of things. theres a show about people with weird addictions like tanning. are you gonna blame the sun for ruining peoples lives? when does personal responsibility play a role? can you provide any evidance that could support your claim these studies are bogus or do you just choose to ignor them? you know people have been being raped for thousands of years, you want to blame somethig for rape how about the bible which condones it.
pacheco28 6 months ago
@pacheco28 yes you can blame the sun for ruining people's lives. just more ridiculous statements from a clueless product of modern society. people are responsible for their own actions. if they choose to view porn and become addicted and ruin their lives, they have nobody to blame but themselves. yes I get that. but the problem is people are not born mature with knowledge to protect themselves. they need guidance. sexual deviants and abuse on the human body is not healthy way to live.
dhom100 6 months ago
@100percentNatural100 also it's not so simple as just block porn websites. I wish it were. it would be easier to protect kids. but the reality is that porn is very accessible to kids. don't take my word for it. type anything in the search engines, even things unrelated to porn, and porn websites or links pop up. and kids are naturally curious. doesn't take a genius to put two and two together. porn promoters do that intentionally to draw kids in while at the same time denying it.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
So you're saying that sex is only good if people do it the way you want to do it. You spend a lot of time talking about what sex is "supposed to be". Sex is whatever you want it to be, it's your body. Quit trying to force your preferences on others.
You also say that people are too stupid and inept to be allowed to make their own decisions. Quit treating people like they're your goddamn children. That's extremely disrespectful and arrogant.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 I'm not the one being disrespectful and arrogant. I'm trying to promote goodness and decency. you're the one who's condoning rape and disrespect toward women. yes sex is a beautiful thing. it allows us to keep our species going. and people like you turn it into filth and something degrading.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 You're trying to promote YOUR OWN FORM of goodness and decency, which may not be the same as another person's. How you choose to live is up to you. How others' choose to live IS NOT up to you. Acting like you can make choices for others is what makes you come across as arrogant. You are 1 person in a world of billions. To me, sex can be beautiful... or it can be steamy, creative, fun, painful, playful, acrobatic, focused on me, focused on him. Who are YOU to say my way is wrong?
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan I'm not the only one who believe porn is evil and damages society. there are anti porn activists out there. I'm not telling people how to live. I'm only speaking up against porn because I don't want more people to be hurt by it. a lot of you people are either numb by it or you enjoy it which only reflects the fact that porn has corrupted mainstream society. it change the norms or values. and you also don't care who hurts who.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 No, you aren't the only one who believes porn is evil. There are plenty of other religious nuts out there, or misguided feminists, who think the same thing. But there are also plenty of people who believe the same as me... And what if you're wrong? What if porn actually helps to PREVENT rape. A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. Did you know that? What if that is because people are substituting pornography for forced sex? Still evil?
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan oh ok I'm now one of the religious nuts. I didn't know that thanks. and let me see. I disagree. I think porn must result in a net access increase of 40 percent rape among viewers and 50 percent on porn sets, especially the gang rape. but that's ok. the women are getting paid. and yes you're right there are other dumbasses like you who share your view about porn. that only support my belief how ingrain it is in this society. but there are good people too who are against it.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 I didn't say you were a religious nut. I don't know what your religion is, or if you have one. If I had to guess, it would be Fundamentalist Christian or Muslim. They're notorious for thinking a natural act like sex is dirty and immoral. I would assume they'd be the kind of people to call someone who has been in a monogamous relationship for 6 years a whore because they liked watching porn. I would assume you arent a feminist. We tend not to slut shame each other. So am I right?
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan lol no you're not right. but keep guessing. and Fundamentalists are good people who don't think sex is dirty or immoral. sex can be beautiful and I like it. but people like you turn it into something dirty and immoral. and monogamy is how it's suppose to be. there's no danger of sexually transmitted diseases so you can have sex as many times as you want and without condoms.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 Monogamy is my way, not because of morals, but because I choose to it. However, in my opinion, not being monogamous is not wrong. It isn't dirty or immoral. Being in an open relationship isn't wrong, so long as everyone consents. I think this is how morals should be guided: so long as all parties involved have consented, then why should it be wrong? What gives you or anyone the right to step in and enforce your version of "good"? You simply don't wield that sort of power. And shouldn't.
ErikaDonovan 6 months ago
@ErikaDonovan how do you justify "open" friends with benefits relationship when people bring sexually transmitted diseases into their own family? I don't know if you've ever contracted any but it's not pretty. sometimes it's like playing Russian Roulette. the suffering and agony people go through getting treatments. if you care about humanity, you're morally obligated to educated people about the dangers and how to live healthy.
dhom100 6 months ago
Who cares if people want to watch porn. It does drop rape which is a good thing.
100percentNatural100 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2
Don't worry, guys are used to hearing "no" all the time, but since porn is there, they don't have to keep it in their pants anymore, they can relieve their tension much quicker and without much trouble or cost.
Today's women are just too expensive - financially and emotionally.
You have to support them and juggle between their precious feelings and your needs as a man.
Then why the hell do they get married? So they have to ask their wives if they can please get some sex? Pathetic.
mickeypopa 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2
That's funny, when I have sex it's pretty loving and caring. The existence of porn hasn't really done anything to influence my sex life. Maybe you should find a guy who's loving and caring instead of hanging around people who want to brutalize you or are so stupid that they feel the need to imitate everything they see?
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 oh but it has had very damaging influence on the lives of many people. just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it's ok. would you want your daughter to be treat like a piece of meat to have sex with? for guys to gang rape. if you do, you don't know what love is. I'm convince that porn is one of the biggest destructive forces in a modern society and cause social problems in our society.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
If my daughter was gang raped then I would call the authorities since that is against the law. If she wanted to have sex with multiple partners and was an adult then I would trust that since I raised her to think rationally that she was doing what she felt was right for her. Similarly, if she wanted to perform degrading physical acts by working in a sewage processing plant then I'd let her do that too.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 no you wouldn't have raised her to think rationally because that's not rational thinking. sex with multiple partners is degrading. that's why we have social problems and people hurting each other because of people like you who don't have good values and you become parents and so your kids won't have good values. would you call the cops if your daughter was gang rape on porn set but getting paid for it?
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
It's not rape if it's consensual,that's a primary part of the definition of rape: sex against your will.
You say that having sex with multiple partners is degrading. That's your opinion. My opinion is that it wouldn't be as enjoyable as portrayed, but that's just me. Other people don't think it's degrading at all, and you should leave those people alone.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 yes I know what the definition of rape is. and you people use that technicality to rape women on camera and getting away with it. a lot of these women are not of sound mind. they often come from broken homes, are abused by their father or boyfriends, or may be on drugs. they can't find legitimate work. porn makers don't care. they prey on women like that. I want to protect women. we need to bring back good decent values so women are respected again.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
"You people use that technicality to rape women on camera"
You're insane. I've never raped a woman, I've never even had sex on camera. If having sex on camera is rape, then having a job is slavery.
"A lot of these women are not of sound mind...."
The exact same can be said of maids, waitresses, musicians, models, etc.
"We need to bring back good decent values"
You sound a lot like those "family values" conservatives who rage against the gay movement. I suppose you hate gays?
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 Ironic you mention slavery. the sex trade is the new slavery for a lot of women. they can't find a better alternative. they may be hooked on drugs/sex. it's a vicious cycle they can't get out of. you may not rape women but a lot of guys fantasize about doing just that watching porn because that's how they treat women on camera. waitresses, maids, musicians are not of sound mind? how do you figure that? these women are more respectable than sluts in porn.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
You don't think there's drug abuse in the music industry? Are you insane?
It sounds to me like you despise women since you are unable to respect their decisions and feel the need to control their lives. It also sounds like you hate sex since you think it's inherently degrading.
If I enter a sauna competition and sit in a 240 degree room wouldn't you consider that torture? Since you don't care about consent, does that mean the people who hosted the competition should be punished?
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 it sounds to me like you're just a dumb ass. of course there are drug use in the industry. many people in it admitted to it. do some research. sex is not degrading if use the right way. it suppose to be beautiful moment between loving couples in their private bedrooms, not for all to see and exploited for profits.
and yes all those who promote filth should be punished and prosecuted. they're ruining society.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
"Hooked on sex"? That says a lot about where you're coming from. Sex is not an evil addiction, it's natural. Normal people have a natural desire to have sex.
"A lot of men fantasize about raping women"
Well unless you're a mind reader, you're projecting your own fantasies onto others. You think about sex as rape and therefore anyone having sex is being raped and anyone fantasizing about sex is fantasizing about rape.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 if that's true all babies born would automatically be addicted to sex. whatever kids are expose to directly determines the kind of adults they become. it is the type of uncaring adult attitude that you're projecting that is one of the biggest problems in our society. yes porn is one of the most evil things that can degrade a society and so we need to banish it. we would be better off without people like you around.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
Nearly all people are "automatically addicted" to sex in the same way that they are "automatically addicted" to food or social relationships. People have a NATURAL BIOLOGICAL URGE to fornicate.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 yeah then you don't even know what addiction is or how it happens. you're a lost soul. and I shouldn't waste my time trying to educate you. like I said, our society would be better off without people like you.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
(continued)
Many people consider gay sex to be inherently degrading. Your mindset is identical to those who would pass sodomy bans.
The reason we have social problems is that weak people like you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions. You blame your thoughts and actions on society and try to force other people to live as you do because you're uncomfortable with or incapable of letting other people live their own lives as they see fit.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 what's wrong with being good and decent? what's wrong with treating women with respect? why do people have to be so evil? I"m not a weak person. I stand up for people who can't defend themselves or who are bullied. I take responsibility for my actions every day. I'm honest. I don't cheat or manipulate others for personal gain. I know that abuse can only lead to more abuse. nothing good ever comes of it. so we need to end the cycle of abuse.
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100
"What's wrong with treating women with respect?"
Nothing, and you should treat women with respect by respecting their decisions instead of acting patriarchal and assuming that anyone who has different desires than you is evil.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 that's like saying if women wanted to be beaten or slapped around, we all should respect their decisions. abuse is still abuse, torture is still torture, killing is still killing. it doesn't matter if it's consentual or not. sometimes good people have to step in and set boundaries. a lot of women are used to being treated badly so they don't know right from wrong. you can't trust them to make the right decisions to protect themselves or they can't find good jobs.
dhom100 6 months ago
I'm confused. Dines says that the viewer thinks of porn as softcore playboy stuff, but then says that "mainstream porn" is violent and body punishing. That seems like a contradiction: if the mainstream porn was violent, then mainstream people would think of violence when they hear "porn".
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09
Don't use logic on the illogical. It's nor fair!!
blkswimmer 6 months ago
ron jeremy is disgusting, I don't see how anybody would want to watch him have sex, lol.
IndividualParties 6 months ago
hmmm if you dont like porn dont watch it and dont get involved in the industry,let other adults make their own choices.yes it can be degrading but not for all women just the performers but they choose to do it so who are we to tell them what to do,they are just earning a living the way they want..and they dont have to do the violent porn as well but again they choose to.no one is forced to do anything.
cheeco8 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2 aha hence why you never been laid much its not about equality its just about the man enjoying it as men rule the world and are top :)
GrandMasterKai 6 months ago
I only intended to quote this much, not what Weiss concludes from it about beings "a boys night out": It's mogul exploitation of youth and ignorance of young women.
“Porn captures these women [its performers] before they get smart,” [Philip Weiss] said in a hot whisper as we sat in Schiller’s Liquor Bar on the Lower East Side. Porn exploited the sexual desires, and naïveté, of women in their early twenties, he went on … ”---Ross Douthat, The Atlantic, Oct. 2008
0rbis2010 6 months ago
“Porn captures these women [its performers] before they get smart,” [Philip Weiss] said in a hot whisper as we sat in Schiller’s Liquor Bar on the Lower East Side. Porn exploited the sexual desires, and naïveté, of women in their early twenties, he went on … He spoke of acts he observed online that his wife wouldn’t do. “It’s painful to say, but that’s your boys’ night out, and it takes an enlightened woman to say that.”---Ross Douthat, The Atlantic, Oct. 2008
0rbis2010 6 months ago
this woman is talking crap.
SoooBlue 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2
Also, if women think men should beg them for sex and treat them like princesses just to "get some", they shouldn't wonder when men find other ways to satisfy their needs. That's hypocritical, to say the least.
mickeypopa 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2
You're barking at the wrong tree here. Porn is mostly designed to provide MEN a way to relieve their sexual tension in certain moment they can't find a female partner. Are you that deluded not to know women are totally different from men?
Men have needs that women can't possibly understand. Our hormones and our physique dictate our needs, and porn is there almost exclusively for MEN.
So if you want "equal this and that" go find yourself a boyfriend/girlfriend, don't watch porn.
mickeypopa 6 months ago
Every anti-porn argument I've heard in this comment section has missed the point of porn and failed to understand the nature of porn. I have still not heard a single legitimate argument against porn.
Savipalooza 6 months ago
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sabbath994 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2 Oh, bullshit. You ascribe evil powers to porn that it simply does not have. More importantly, you treat porn viewers, and video game players for that matter, as without agency and completely passive in the face of media input. In actuality, people's interactions with media are a hell of a lot more complicated than that.
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
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@laserthebeam2 "hey, isn't that how porn really works. all for the pleasure and lust of men, and nothing for the woman." That indeed describes *some* porn. By no means all, or even most. I guess asking you to recognize that porn is varied *genre*, just like any other kind of media would require you to get your head out your ideology for a bit. Not sure if you're capable of that or not. Most self-described "radical feminists" aren't, sadly.
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
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@laserthebeam2 "i'm a socialist, and a feminist." That's nice. Some socialists and feminists are right on the money. Some are fucking reactionaries.
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2 Real men respect women, most women i know ( at least i would like to believe) don't enjoy being slapped, spit on, called degrading things or being gagged, so why would you make it into a sexual norm? It's apparent that a lot of *boys* are profiting from this, time for the men to have a little 'talk' with them.
777MetalForever 6 months ago
if porn is so bad, how does she know?
does she watch it herself? (hint, hint)
yourmajezty 6 months ago
Porn itself isn't gonna make you do anything. The people themselves are responsible for doing what they want to do. It's like saying those who enjoy watching horror movies are in danger of becoming serial killers. The problem isn't porn.
sigurjong 6 months ago 11
@sigurjong 100% agree! Couldn't of put it better myself!
pretty23garbage 6 months ago
@sigurjong your analogy of serial killing from watching horror movies is flawed. people know that killing is against the law they wouldn't want to get in trouble for it. Porn is totally different. the law allows responsible adults to produce, buy, and sell porn. they make people assume oh it's something everybody can enjoy. if you have it, use it. problem is not all adults are responsible and mature. kids get expose to it too. but who cares about kids right?
dhom100 6 months ago
@dhom100 Flawed? In both cases we are talking about viewing material. Did you know that some people think porn can make you commit rape? This is why we are debating this. It is the question of whether porn can make you do something you wouldn't otherwise do and what I'm saying is people need to be responsible for their own actions. You're not gonna be going in to court saying "Your honor. I raped that woman because porn forced me to do it." Think before you write.
sigurjong 6 months ago
@sigurjong yes I do know and agree that porn can influence rape. because that's what are happening to women on camera in porn set even though they're too dumb or misguided to notice it. scum bags like you are manipulating others to believe the fallacy that porn is harmless but you can't hide the fact that a lot of people are hurt, their lives ruined forever by porn. thousands of young women are being exploited to satisfy your sick twisted fantasies and making porn promoters wealthy.
dhom100 6 months ago
@sigurjong haha! there has been cases where, people who watch horror movies, will reinact the horror movie, for real too, they will kidnap people, and cut them up etc..., of course these are mental people, but still it happens. Then there is porn, there has been cases where men watch porn, then expect there girl-friend or wife to do what women do in porn, wheather its gross, painful, scary, or whatever makes the partner feel disgusted and discomforted, and they feel like they are forced into it.
YouRface841 6 months ago
@sigurjong if you can think it, its probably been done. the human race is sick, there are sick people that have done unimaginable things.
YouRface841 6 months ago
This is bs, stuck up bitch who gets no cock, complaining about people who do. Hypocrite.
kingnichendrix 6 months ago
men these days....
CurlyFries120 6 months ago
I dont know about everyone else but to me,PORN DOES THE BODY GOOD!
walleyrt69 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2
that too.
TehMorbidAtheist 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2 Also, if you're allying with organizations like Porn Harms, or its various fronts like AntiPorn.org, you're allying with the religious right, specifically Morality in Media. And any claims to be against the religious right would be so much bullshit in case.
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2 Well, I don't know about your particular politics, but if you're like most "radical feminists" that I encounter around these parts, I'd say that would be promoting pretty much the same sexually conservative agenda, but with rhetoric that tries to make it sound oh-so-radical. Needless to say, I'm not any more impressed by this than by Leninists who claim what they're trying to build is in the end much different from fascism. Same shit, different theory.
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
@laserthebeam2 you say it well, about equality, people (men) that dont understand what equality is, are dangerous men, men that are into porn are psychologically dangerous for women. Always steer clear of them.
Tuckercrew 6 months ago
@Tuckercrew
You are the one who's psychologically damaged. And selfish too.
And you're probably a woman who can't get a boyfriend to cater you and pay for your drinks.
mickeypopa 6 months ago
this porn is the best and how it has always been the men in control how it should be
GrandMasterKai 6 months ago
ron jeremy is my hero
nakedwomenarecool 6 months ago
She's just pissed because she's ugly. Probably a feminist too.
linkfan22 6 months ago
@apumpkinful Screencapped, asshole.
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
@apumpkinful "Pedo" rhetoric again, eh? Nothing like a little online defamation to make yourself more believable. Screencapped.
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
@apumpkinful Yeah, unbeatably circular!
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
@apumpkinful "Creepy" coming from you Fisty? You're one to talk.
Still on about how all life needs to die off to "prevent suffering"?
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
@apumpkinful That doesn't even make sense. But given who I'm talking to, I guess that's the best you can do.
iamcuriousblue 6 months ago
Porn can't be bad because it makes men feel good, lol.
so porn stops rape, well what do ya know. what's that smell? I think its bullshit.
UserXer0 6 months ago
@UserXer0 No proof that porn stops rape, but the negative correlation between availability of porn and rates of sexual violence is a powerful *falsification* of the claim that porn causes sexual violence.