Sadly, Lesley's appalling suffering has been ignored. The police and prosecution falsely maintained Neilson pushed her off the ledge. Neilson claimed she fell when he was there and was dead before he left her. He wasn't going to admit to a murder he hadn't done but he wasn't going to admit he abandoned her because it was too painful for him so he compressed her considerable suffering into a few seconds. How many murderers claim the victim was dead before they left? He left her alive.
If anyone is interested and would like to know a little more about Leslie I went to school with her for about 4 years in Kidderminster, Worcestershire. It has been 35 years and it is only now that I can talk about my dear friend. This movie does not show the monster that killed her. His birth name was actually Donald Nappy and he is in prison (Thank goodness for the British Justice System) and has ALS (AKA Lou Gehrigs disease
@JuliaKane . I've followed this case for years-particularly as I'm from Staffordshire. Victims such as Lesley always become footnotes with all the attention focused on the criminal. You always wonder what she would have done with her life-had kids etc. Neilson should have hanged himself-I don't care what a model prisoner he was.
What kind of person was Lesley-what are your abiding memories?
@MALCBAGGIE Leslie Whittle & I attended Holy Trinity Convent. I seem to remember that she left when she was about 10 years old. I do remember her well though as we were in the same class and also had ballet class together with Miss Brown. I remember that Leslie was very kind. A strange thing to say about a child so young but I had a real problem with some of the ballet positions. She was so patient even at that age and helped me. I still miss her and still shed a tear or two.
Anyone wanting to know the truth about this case should read Harry Hawkes book The Capture of the Black Panther and Lantern Lecture by the writer and critic Adam Mars Jones. Hawkes attended every one of Neilson's court appearances as well as his appeal and travelled thousands of miles talking to people involved and carrying out meticulous research. Adam Mars-Jones is the son of William Mars-Jones the presiding judge at Neilson's trials and acted as the Judge's Marshall in the two trials.
Neilson was not there when Lesley died, he had fled on the night of the kidnap abandoning her. She had not eaten for a considerable time and had lost a lot of weight, weighing only 98lbs when found. Even if Neilson had not fed her for three days, and he did, there would not have been time for that. He did threaten death but Lesley had an affinity with his own daughter and he would never have been able to bring himself to kill her. The police helicopter and dogs were figments of his imagination.
Yeah, Bodaniel-he had never once been questioned by the police despite his hundreds of robberies. I think the money was important-but he got off on the planning. Neilson is almost unique in British crime.
I also wonder what his wife (if she's still alive) and daughter are doing now. I always feel that his wife knew more than she let on-as she cashed stolen post office cheques.
@MALCBAGGIE Personally, I don't think Irene Neilson had any idea he might be the Panther. She did cash postal orders but on his instructions and even though she suspected criminal activity she would not have connected it to the Panther because it did not get into the papers as the police were trying to track him through it but were always a few days behind. She would not have suspected he was the Panther because the the media had created a very different character to the real man.
As a long term student of this case I didn't know that Lesley's stomach/intestines were empty. If the police had searched Bathpool she probably would have been found alive. Neilson probably gave up when Ron Whittle was late and probably just left-assuming the police would find her-and never went back down the shaft.
Killing her would have made the hunt for him even more intense.
@MALCBAGGIE This was his first real contact with a police operation. Previously he had been long gone before they got involved. He described waiting for Ron Whittle as being in the ever tightening vice of a police trap. All his fears and phobias came to the fore and believing the police were closing in, he panicked and fled. Even if Ron Whittle had arrived on time and carried out his instructions to the letter I think Neilson would have lost his nerve and not collected the money .
@MALCBAGGIE The plan was to wait for ron whittle neilson said if any police were seen leslie would die. A panda car was seen patroling a nearby car park which made neilson panic return to the drain where many believe lesly fell to her death as neilson was raged. If the panda car had not patrolled the car park i believe leslie would be here today.
Neilson pushing her cannot be discounted-no way though can we believe that he accidently 'knocked' her from the platform.
Regarding the panda car-Neilson referred to it in his statement (which can be read in More Murders of the Black Museum)-saying he wasn't panicked by it as he'd only just rang the Whittles with details of the Kidsgrove drop. Booth makes a lot of the panda to get at Staffs police.
Don't forget Neilson's claim of a police helicopter and dogs. A sure motive.
@JesusChristisfake He has Motor Neurone Disease. The charity is there to help people wth that condition and it would be wrong to pick and choose by raking over people's lives to check their worthiness - where would the parameters be? Also, the equipment provided will be of assistance to those caring for him. If someone is taken into custody by the state they are entitled to be taken care of whatever they have done however unpalatable that might be to some.
Just to be clear, Donald Neilson was NOT Scottish. He was born in Morley near Leeds in West Yorkshire. Dennis Nilsen murderer of fifteen young men in London was a Scot. The only connection with the Lesley Whittle case and the Mackay kidnapping is that Neilson read a book called Murder in the Fourth Estate which covered that case in detail. He used the book to learn from the police mistakes and refined the Hosein's ransom drop plan for his own ends.
@jocksmen No, he's still alive in Norwich Prison. He's paralysed from the neck down, can only eat soft food , spoon fed by the staff and spends his time painting, holding the brush in his mouth. The Motor Neurone Disease took hold and advanced quickly but he's somehow holding on and surviving against all the odds - the doctors gave him just a few weeks eighteen months ago.
@jocksmen No, he's still alive in Norwich Prison. He's paralysed from the neck down, can only eat soft food , spoon fed by the staff and spends his time painting, holding the brush in his mouth. The Motor Neurone Disease took hold and advanced quickly but he's somehow holding on and surviving against all the odds - the doctors gave him just a few weeks eighteen months ago.
coolperson962, he chose the drainage shaft at Kidsgrove because he felt the bottom of the shaft was the perfect place to hold his victim. His other ideas, a boat moored in a disused canal tunnel or a soundproof room in a rented garage were abandoned when he found the shaft. He decided he could not buy a boat because he might be remembered and he did not know how to work out the amount of air needed to prevent someone suffocating in a soundproof room. The shaft had an ample supply of fresh air.
@Bodaniel7 He had an original plan to have the money thrown from a moving train the London to Manchester rail line runs through Bathpool Park,he found the underground drainage shaft by accident whilst checking out Bathpool after studying maps of the Midlands,he had looked at another site in Nuneaton Warwickshire previously,he had planned the kidnapping for 3 years.
@TheWolfie6 The police admitted the moving train plan was brilliant and they would have had great difficulty monitoring the whole line. He should have stuck with it. It's a pity he found Bathpool Park, he would have been better with his original plan to hold the victim on a boat in a disused canal tunnel. The difficulty with it was finding a boat he could not be connected with. He actually planned the kidnap for 2 not 3 years intending to do it in Jan 1974 but shelved it for one more year.
This film is inaccurate. When Donald Neilson took Lesley Whittle down the drainage shaft he made her climb down the ladder and go through the tunnels with the blindfold on. It was only removed when they reached the platform where he tethered her. Neilson did not kill Lesley. He abandoned her and fled when he thought the police were closing in. She was starving for a considerable time before falling off the ledge. Neilson had thought the police would search the shaft at first light that morning.
@jocksmen From his statements to the police, his evidence in court and his talks with a psychiatrist. Also, the pathologist who examined Lesley's body said her stomack and intestines were completely empty and she had not eaten for a considerable time. It is an insult to Lesley that people persist in thinking Neilson pushed her off the ledge. The reality was much worse. She was screaming for help in the pich black for days without food or water in that filthy rat fested shaft before falling.
i live in kidsgrove :D. the manhole is completly sealed off and has padlocks all over it. but yeh i thought i should comment cos i live in kidsgrove :D
@coolperson962 Because he had a plan for the ransom money to be thrown from a moving train in an open area-he followed the London/Manchester railway line on a map and saw Bathpool. He then checked out Bathpool on foot and checked out the drainage system after hearing the rushing water. Kidsgrove was near the M6 motorway junction too-& was roughly halfway between Highley and Bradford.
Wikipedia said not so long ago that Donald Neilson died on September 24th of heart failure because of his MND. It seemed very specific to have been made up but it got taken off very quick, I wonder if he's dead but the press aren't releasing the news for some reason.
The papers did say back in March that his condition had deteriorated rapidly and it surprised everyone, so who knows.
@UK31337 I think that when he finally dies the papers will all cover the strory,a contact at the prison will tell someone who in turn will tell the papers,you can't keep much from the press.If he had died on Sept 24 the papers would have known,his prison records will probably go to the National Archives at Kew,he spends 24/7 on his own in his wheelchair painting with a brush in his mouth.I wonder how Ron Whittle feels towards this scum,he will probably be cremated in a secret location.
@TheWolfie6 I'm sure he has already planned his funeral and disposal of his body with the great care and planning that characterizes everything else he has done. Detailed instructions will be with his lawyers. Everything will be done to protect his family. His skill at making sure they were protected after his arrest and during his trial was a text book example of how it should be done.
Dark hair, 50ish.I don't know much about flowers,looks like a bunch you could buy from the local supermarket.Sometimes theres a note signed D.I think her boyfriend was called Richard,so it could be short for Dick!
i have this movie on dvd,found it one day,in a very strange little shop,its very rare,i first saw this film,in 1983.directed by ian merrick,starring donald sumpter,andrew burt,and debbie farrington
Thought there'd be more videos for the Neilson/ Whittle case as it's one of the most infamous ever.
For me this case defines growing up in the 1970's Midlands. I'm not totally convinced he pushed her as how did he know the drop was enough? And what did Neilson have to gain exept a far more intense hunt?
I'd like to get hold of this movie but can't find it. Maybe time for a remake.
if you get the chance take a look around the lake, but wen ya see every man-hole you always think of the murder// black panther makes you think could there be any more bodies :S
Neilson was an evil bugger. He tried to tell Police that Lesley had slipped of the ledge in the drainage shaft but when you look at how many people he killed it makes you think he must have killed her because he didn't get the ransom.
Well Neilson what goes around comes around so you suffered a slow and painful death, rot in hell!
marcofstoke 2 months ago
Sadly, Lesley's appalling suffering has been ignored. The police and prosecution falsely maintained Neilson pushed her off the ledge. Neilson claimed she fell when he was there and was dead before he left her. He wasn't going to admit to a murder he hadn't done but he wasn't going to admit he abandoned her because it was too painful for him so he compressed her considerable suffering into a few seconds. How many murderers claim the victim was dead before they left? He left her alive.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
If anyone is interested and would like to know a little more about Leslie I went to school with her for about 4 years in Kidderminster, Worcestershire. It has been 35 years and it is only now that I can talk about my dear friend. This movie does not show the monster that killed her. His birth name was actually Donald Nappy and he is in prison (Thank goodness for the British Justice System) and has ALS (AKA Lou Gehrigs disease
JuliaKane 1 year ago
@JuliaKane . I've followed this case for years-particularly as I'm from Staffordshire. Victims such as Lesley always become footnotes with all the attention focused on the criminal. You always wonder what she would have done with her life-had kids etc. Neilson should have hanged himself-I don't care what a model prisoner he was.
What kind of person was Lesley-what are your abiding memories?
MALCBAGGIE 1 year ago
@MALCBAGGIE Leslie Whittle & I attended Holy Trinity Convent. I seem to remember that she left when she was about 10 years old. I do remember her well though as we were in the same class and also had ballet class together with Miss Brown. I remember that Leslie was very kind. A strange thing to say about a child so young but I had a real problem with some of the ballet positions. She was so patient even at that age and helped me. I still miss her and still shed a tear or two.
JuliaKane 10 months ago
Thanks for that Julia-very interesting but sad too.
MALCBAGGIE 10 months ago
@JuliaKane
Hello
Interesting.. What was Lesley like?
chabezloujas 11 months ago
where is the rest of this film of donald bloody neilson
is neilson still on this earth?
ziggawooh 1 year ago
where is the rest of this film of donald bloody neilson
ziggawooh 1 year ago
Anyone wanting to know the truth about this case should read Harry Hawkes book The Capture of the Black Panther and Lantern Lecture by the writer and critic Adam Mars Jones. Hawkes attended every one of Neilson's court appearances as well as his appeal and travelled thousands of miles talking to people involved and carrying out meticulous research. Adam Mars-Jones is the son of William Mars-Jones the presiding judge at Neilson's trials and acted as the Judge's Marshall in the two trials.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
Neilson was not there when Lesley died, he had fled on the night of the kidnap abandoning her. She had not eaten for a considerable time and had lost a lot of weight, weighing only 98lbs when found. Even if Neilson had not fed her for three days, and he did, there would not have been time for that. He did threaten death but Lesley had an affinity with his own daughter and he would never have been able to bring himself to kill her. The police helicopter and dogs were figments of his imagination.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
Yeah, Bodaniel-he had never once been questioned by the police despite his hundreds of robberies. I think the money was important-but he got off on the planning. Neilson is almost unique in British crime.
I also wonder what his wife (if she's still alive) and daughter are doing now. I always feel that his wife knew more than she let on-as she cashed stolen post office cheques.
MALCBAGGIE 1 year ago
@MALCBAGGIE Personally, I don't think Irene Neilson had any idea he might be the Panther. She did cash postal orders but on his instructions and even though she suspected criminal activity she would not have connected it to the Panther because it did not get into the papers as the police were trying to track him through it but were always a few days behind. She would not have suspected he was the Panther because the the media had created a very different character to the real man.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
As a long term student of this case I didn't know that Lesley's stomach/intestines were empty. If the police had searched Bathpool she probably would have been found alive. Neilson probably gave up when Ron Whittle was late and probably just left-assuming the police would find her-and never went back down the shaft.
Killing her would have made the hunt for him even more intense.
MALCBAGGIE 1 year ago
@MALCBAGGIE This was his first real contact with a police operation. Previously he had been long gone before they got involved. He described waiting for Ron Whittle as being in the ever tightening vice of a police trap. All his fears and phobias came to the fore and believing the police were closing in, he panicked and fled. Even if Ron Whittle had arrived on time and carried out his instructions to the letter I think Neilson would have lost his nerve and not collected the money .
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
@MALCBAGGIE The plan was to wait for ron whittle neilson said if any police were seen leslie would die. A panda car was seen patroling a nearby car park which made neilson panic return to the drain where many believe lesly fell to her death as neilson was raged. If the panda car had not patrolled the car park i believe leslie would be here today.
JesusChristisfake 1 year ago
@JesusChristisfake
Neilson pushing her cannot be discounted-no way though can we believe that he accidently 'knocked' her from the platform.
Regarding the panda car-Neilson referred to it in his statement (which can be read in More Murders of the Black Museum)-saying he wasn't panicked by it as he'd only just rang the Whittles with details of the Kidsgrove drop. Booth makes a lot of the panda to get at Staffs police.
Don't forget Neilson's claim of a police helicopter and dogs. A sure motive.
MALCBAGGIE 1 year ago
Did you meet him? Why is a charity donating stuff to this man?!
JesusChristisfake 1 year ago
@JesusChristisfake He has Motor Neurone Disease. The charity is there to help people wth that condition and it would be wrong to pick and choose by raking over people's lives to check their worthiness - where would the parameters be? Also, the equipment provided will be of assistance to those caring for him. If someone is taken into custody by the state they are entitled to be taken care of whatever they have done however unpalatable that might be to some.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
@Bodaniel7
I was a school friend of the lass. He should have been hung for what he did.
straightliner2000 1 year ago
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lukebob60 1 year ago
Just to be clear, Donald Neilson was NOT Scottish. He was born in Morley near Leeds in West Yorkshire. Dennis Nilsen murderer of fifteen young men in London was a Scot. The only connection with the Lesley Whittle case and the Mackay kidnapping is that Neilson read a book called Murder in the Fourth Estate which covered that case in detail. He used the book to learn from the police mistakes and refined the Hosein's ransom drop plan for his own ends.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
@Bodaniel7 IS THIS ASSHOLE DEAD YET.?
jocksmen 1 year ago
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Bodaniel7 1 year ago
@jocksmen No, he's still alive in Norwich Prison. He's paralysed from the neck down, can only eat soft food , spoon fed by the staff and spends his time painting, holding the brush in his mouth. The Motor Neurone Disease took hold and advanced quickly but he's somehow holding on and surviving against all the odds - the doctors gave him just a few weeks eighteen months ago.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
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@jocksmen No, he's still alive in Norwich Prison. He's paralysed from the neck down, can only eat soft food , spoon fed by the staff and spends his time painting, holding the brush in his mouth. The Motor Neurone Disease took hold and advanced quickly but he's somehow holding on and surviving against all the odds - the doctors gave him just a few weeks eighteen months ago.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
@jocksmen your v arsehole brian u pillow biter
casper20096 1 year ago
@casper20096 whats that
ziggawooh 1 year ago
@casper20096
ziggawooh 1 year ago
@casper20096 sorry
but do i know you.
YOU FUCKTARD MUPPET.
jocksmen 1 year ago
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Bodaniel7 1 year ago
he was a bastard hanging leslie whittle with wire and he was scottish like me unfortunately i think leslie mustve been terrified.rot in prison.
jimpurdie 1 year ago
@jimpurdie no he was a yorkshire man.
jocksmen 1 year ago
coolperson962, he chose the drainage shaft at Kidsgrove because he felt the bottom of the shaft was the perfect place to hold his victim. His other ideas, a boat moored in a disused canal tunnel or a soundproof room in a rented garage were abandoned when he found the shaft. He decided he could not buy a boat because he might be remembered and he did not know how to work out the amount of air needed to prevent someone suffocating in a soundproof room. The shaft had an ample supply of fresh air.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
@Bodaniel7 He had an original plan to have the money thrown from a moving train the London to Manchester rail line runs through Bathpool Park,he found the underground drainage shaft by accident whilst checking out Bathpool after studying maps of the Midlands,he had looked at another site in Nuneaton Warwickshire previously,he had planned the kidnapping for 3 years.
TheWolfie6 8 months ago
@TheWolfie6 The police admitted the moving train plan was brilliant and they would have had great difficulty monitoring the whole line. He should have stuck with it. It's a pity he found Bathpool Park, he would have been better with his original plan to hold the victim on a boat in a disused canal tunnel. The difficulty with it was finding a boat he could not be connected with. He actually planned the kidnap for 2 not 3 years intending to do it in Jan 1974 but shelved it for one more year.
Bodaniel7 8 months ago
This film is inaccurate. When Donald Neilson took Lesley Whittle down the drainage shaft he made her climb down the ladder and go through the tunnels with the blindfold on. It was only removed when they reached the platform where he tethered her. Neilson did not kill Lesley. He abandoned her and fled when he thought the police were closing in. She was starving for a considerable time before falling off the ledge. Neilson had thought the police would search the shaft at first light that morning.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
@Bodaniel7 how do you know all that.?
jocksmen 1 year ago
@jocksmen From his statements to the police, his evidence in court and his talks with a psychiatrist. Also, the pathologist who examined Lesley's body said her stomack and intestines were completely empty and she had not eaten for a considerable time. It is an insult to Lesley that people persist in thinking Neilson pushed her off the ledge. The reality was much worse. She was screaming for help in the pich black for days without food or water in that filthy rat fested shaft before falling.
Bodaniel7 1 year ago
@Bodaniel7 ok I did think that at the time I must admit.
thanks.
jocksmen 1 year ago
i live in kidsgrove :D. the manhole is completly sealed off and has padlocks all over it. but yeh i thought i should comment cos i live in kidsgrove :D
SuperJooob 1 year ago
if he was from bradford and shee was from shropshire why did he choose kidsgrove?
coolperson962 1 year ago
@coolperson962 Because he had a plan for the ransom money to be thrown from a moving train in an open area-he followed the London/Manchester railway line on a map and saw Bathpool. He then checked out Bathpool on foot and checked out the drainage system after hearing the rushing water. Kidsgrove was near the M6 motorway junction too-& was roughly halfway between Highley and Bradford.
MALCBAGGIE 1 month ago
no he was scottish
casper20096 1 year ago
ididnt know vis was on you tube i lived 5 doors from him in thornbury bradford
casper20096 2 years ago
@casper20096 AND HE WASN'T A PAKKI?
jocksmen 1 year ago
@jocksmen pakkis kidnapped and killed muriel mckay thinking she was rupert murdochs wife for ransom.
jimpurdie 1 year ago
@jimpurdie ok so whats that got to do with this case.?
jocksmen 1 year ago
@jocksmen are you still a knob jockey brian lots of love from ryan
casper20096 1 year ago
@casper20096 DUUUUR
FUCKTARDED AINT CHA.
jocksmen 1 year ago
@jocksmen its me ryan "" how you doing brian are u still biting pillows bro
casper20096 1 year ago
@casper20096 THIS IS NOT RYAN YOU
MUPPET GO AWAY SILLY CHILD
jocksmen 1 year ago
Wikipedia said not so long ago that Donald Neilson died on September 24th of heart failure because of his MND. It seemed very specific to have been made up but it got taken off very quick, I wonder if he's dead but the press aren't releasing the news for some reason.
The papers did say back in March that his condition had deteriorated rapidly and it surprised everyone, so who knows.
UK31337 2 years ago
@UK31337 NO HE IS ALMOST 74
jocksmen 1 year ago
@UK31337 I think that when he finally dies the papers will all cover the strory,a contact at the prison will tell someone who in turn will tell the papers,you can't keep much from the press.If he had died on Sept 24 the papers would have known,his prison records will probably go to the National Archives at Kew,he spends 24/7 on his own in his wheelchair painting with a brush in his mouth.I wonder how Ron Whittle feels towards this scum,he will probably be cremated in a secret location.
TheWolfie6 8 months ago
@TheWolfie6 I'm sure he has already planned his funeral and disposal of his body with the great care and planning that characterizes everything else he has done. Detailed instructions will be with his lawyers. Everything will be done to protect his family. His skill at making sure they were protected after his arrest and during his trial was a text book example of how it should be done.
Bodaniel7 8 months ago
I live near Bathpool park,and every January someone puts Flowers near the place Lesley Died.I wonder Who He is?
suchy1962 2 years ago
so you have seen them?
its definately a man?
what sort of flowers?
autofive 2 years ago
Dark hair, 50ish.I don't know much about flowers,looks like a bunch you could buy from the local supermarket.Sometimes theres a note signed D.I think her boyfriend was called Richard,so it could be short for Dick!
suchy1962 2 years ago
@suchy1962 I LIVED IN DERBY UK
REMEMBER HER BROTH BEING
A SUSPECT.....
jocksmen 1 year ago
i,m gonna sell the film on ebay,so check it out.
limagraar 2 years ago
anyone who wants to write to a fucking retard like that,is a fucking retard.
limagraar 2 years ago
i have this movie on dvd,found it one day,in a very strange little shop,its very rare,i first saw this film,in 1983.directed by ian merrick,starring donald sumpter,andrew burt,and debbie farrington
limagraar 2 years ago
@limagraar I HAVE IT ALSO HERE USA
jocksmen 1 year ago
Thought there'd be more videos for the Neilson/ Whittle case as it's one of the most infamous ever.
For me this case defines growing up in the 1970's Midlands. I'm not totally convinced he pushed her as how did he know the drop was enough? And what did Neilson have to gain exept a far more intense hunt?
I'd like to get hold of this movie but can't find it. Maybe time for a remake.
MALCBAGGIE 2 years ago
i live 5mins away from bath pool
and i go there a lot
if you get the chance take a look around the lake, but wen ya see every man-hole you always think of the murder// black panther makes you think could there be any more bodies :S
ha7v3y 2 years ago
Also I think this clip was from the film made in 1977. Is this out on DVD cos Donald Sumpter played the part really well.
airscrew1 2 years ago
Neilson was an evil bugger. He tried to tell Police that Lesley had slipped of the ledge in the drainage shaft but when you look at how many people he killed it makes you think he must have killed her because he didn't get the ransom.
airscrew1 2 years ago
Also I have several genuine newspapers of this case. May scan them and put them online if anyone is interested.
airscrew1 2 years ago 5
@airscrew1 get a life u sad twat
casper20096 1 year ago
yes he only has weeks to live, i can tell you a bit about him adam, he's a nasty bugger tho.
JesusChristisfake 2 years ago
Omg.. Apparently my dad knew Lesley Whittle. This is scary.
thechamberpots 2 years ago
He was in Wakefield Prison some 5 years ago.
bluebus270 3 years ago
do you have a confirmed prison address for him? id really like to write him a letter.
adamwalsh 3 years ago
WHY DO YOU WANT TO WRITE TO THAT FUCKER?
tokaicarl 3 years ago
because Im interested in the case and would like to know what his life is like now.
adamwalsh 3 years ago
@adamwalsh maybe you should get a different username.?
jocksmen 1 year ago
He's in the hospital wing at HMP Full Sutton and he's dying of motor neurone disease.
UK31337 3 years ago