Wing Chun is still a style with limitation, there's a reason Bruce Lee says be like water, adapt to every situation individually because sticking to a style only limits you.
looks really sloppy lots of force against force - do they really to bong sao/ larp sao drill in neutral stance? - seems odd? the little guy is standing directly in front / in the pocket and taking everything from the big guy - do they not have a blind side principle? this is a poor mans wing chun
@discoowl They can't generate power naturally from the ground. They are leaning on each other half the time and they when they come under pressure they jump and lean backwards rather than directing the force into the ground .
@springchantboxer If you lean in wing chun you are directing a line of force which can easily be taken advantage of - this is actually the basis / logic behind the chi sao drill in which they train. Only beginners train bong / larp from neutral stance as you are wide open for front kicks - this is sloppy, impractical stuff imo
Watch the movies "Ip Man" and "Ip Man 2" they are about the master in this video, they are 2 of my favorite movies and they're in chinese, with them you can clearly see the fast paced fighting, they're on netflix
Those who don't understand Wing Chun will make all sorts of comments. Understandable. ^_^ haha! When you learn it, you will see how effective real Wing Chun is. I've seen practitioners (seasoned) from different forms totally admit that Wing Chun made them feel like their art was ineffective. This is from their mouths, not mine.
@wnet8 You are so correct. What non WC practitioners don't understand about chi sao is that as soon as you bridge (make contact) you are forcing the non WC practitioner to play chi sao, a game he knows nothing about. And me must play if he intends to maintain any contact with you. This is a realization that you simply need to go through years of training to understand fully.
@chisaoboy - Wing Chun practitioners have no chance in forcing Chi Sau on opponents that don't leave their arms out. Take for example boxers. The strike goes out fast, retracted even faster and the first strike is normally designed to setup subsequent strikes. Boxers want to keep their distance and use footwork as part of their defense strategy. To initiate Chi Sau, you would have to assume your opponent wants to fight in close combat. But thats not the case with Strikers.
@iApna Very good reply--thank you. Allow me to add this: WC practitioners are trained to keep close distance. If the opponent retracts, a skilled WC man will always seek to close the gap. Aha! Now we get to the stage where we ask: "Who is the better martial artist? Will the boxer's training allow him to get away... or will the WC man's training allow him to stay close?" Isn't this where all these debates eventually lead, really? :-) All the best, my friend.
@chisaoboy - You are missing some additional elements to a boxers strategy. But I prefer to compare Muay-Thai due to my background. We train the entire body to act as part of our defense. We don't necessarily block every incoming strike especially if its aimed at the body. I have no problem getting kicked in the legs, or punched in the stomach/kicked in the stomach or chest in exchange for the opportunity to knock someone out cold with my hands.
@chisaoboy - Its easy to say, "close the gap". But one thing you must understand about fighters. We actually do prefer people try to walk in on us, whether be boxer or Thai boxer. Simply because our opponent will likely be walking into a fist and it requires less energy to chase someone down.
@iApna I hear you, but let's all remember that WC was developed for personal self defense on the street... not necessarily to fight trained professional fighters of any style. Chances are, the thug who wants your girlfriend isn't a top-ranked Thai boxer or MMA fighter. Comparing any fighting styles (which I sometimes have done) is sort of like saying the chess master can beat the checkers player. Two different games. In any event, all that's important for me is self defense against a street thug
@chisaoboy - Hence the issue with Wing Chun and the associated training. When we train, we train for all types of fighters, regardless of style, street, boxer, kicker, grappler, big or small. How do you fight a guy who ways 30lbs less than you assuming your 210lbs? They have never ending cardio. How about the opposite? How about someone that can break bats with his shin? How do condition for this and everything else. We train for the worst case scenario. Each to their own I guess.
The school I learn at has a very relaxed vibe to it. You learn and lots of higher sashes help you out. The former karate school I learned at promoted more violence than peace. Not saying all karate dojos do but that one did.
ip-chun is not a legend. he is just the sone of the grandmaster.
like most of the chinese "legends" who were the sons of a master, he only lives from honor and being related to a great master.... but not from his skills
this is ip chun and sam kwok, if any of you new who they are you would not be saying dumb stuff like this is to fast this it to tense this is not Genuine Wing Chun this is not real wing chun. blah blah blah. the older genteleman in this clip is the highest authority in wing chun kung fu if you ever had any question on wing chun he would be the best person you could ever ask, him or his brother ip ching. so to say they are doing it wrong is just funny/stupid!
@brelgno1 People prove their value by their work.it is not something that pases fome one generation to other.I dont say he is not capable but there other better...
@dlvt79 How close-minded and ignorant of you. Wing Chun is a complex, yet simple art. When the Japanese took over the southern part of china before WW2, Ip Man was the one who dueled the Japanese general, a master of Karate, and defeated him. Ip man then got shot but he survived and moved to Hong Kong. His actions gave the Chinese the willpower to start fighting back at the Japanese. So please be more open-minded and don't compare an amazing, and legendary, beautiful work of art to cat fighting.
@WorldOfMartialArt101 Thnks for the history knowledge but what is the matter with u?U talk about someone else story and i speak for what i see.WC is way more better nowdays than what i see in the vid.It is not disrepect but my side of view.They are too tense, there is no great footwork and they push too much.
@WorldOfMartialArt101 Also i cant imagine chi sao without final purpose.They finish the hits front of the head.I dont say kill each other but it doesnt seem effective to me justdoing chisao without being able to hit. Also the elder should be 3 times better but it seeme equal.
@dlvt79 To paraphrase my sifu, a student of Ip Ching's. A good sifu generally only be going at a pace appropriate for the student. It's the student who is training, not the sifu and so there is no reason to be excessive and try to hit the student and overpower him/her and break their structure. If you're skilled the student won't be able to hit you. To hit is easy, but to control and avoid being hit requires skill, and that is what the student is learning through chi sau.
@aberrantblue I dont totally disagree but many times a student must feel the hit so to anderstand his false,his gap in chi sao.Otherwise he will have the illusion that he can still going on.I dont say kill,i say hit with control.It is also a way to see in practise what your sifu can do,cause there manh that speak all the time and show off but they are not really skilled.They dont have power and distance acuracy.
@aberrantblue Look what happen with boxers.They must hit many times and again and again and most times is not k.o.That is cause of the protective equipment .And that is normal for sport. They get hit but still going on.Will that happened in real fight ?Wing chuners are not get serious by other martial artists(not everybody) cause they trained bad.We have illusions and that doesnt get us better.
@dlvt79 Okay, let me simplify even further. Chi sau isn't sparring. It's for sensitivity and control. There is no analogous boxing exercise to compare to chi sau.
@dlvt79 So by your logic, we might as well not practice the forms because what's the point in practicing open hand when we're practicing to fight others?
To your question, the more sensitive you are, the better If your sifu is constantly breaking your structure and moving faster than you can keep up with, you will only learn that sifu is more skilled than you. You don't put a child on a bike for the first time and race him/her down a hill, you coach their balance and form.
@aberrantblue I probably got misunderstood.I dont say shi sao is not important.I say it is but with purpose.So as the form is important ,with final purpose to be your moves(body,legs,hands..) accurate in sparring.I say that many people which are good in chi sao CAN NOT hit .Cause they train too friendly.Thare are times that sifu must be cool,but other times must be dynamic to see how it is in reality.Train be better technician,train be better fighter.They are 2 diferrent things
@aberrantblue And i dont think there is any child in the video.Their level is supposed to be high.I say if someone gets no high pressure never become good.I love the art of wing chun but i love also to be effective.
@dlvt79 Your mistake is that you've decided already what's effective, instead of discovering it. If you can't see the skill involved, then you are looking through the wrong lense. That is unless you think you could touch hands with either of these practitioners and hit as freely as you believe chi sau should be.
@talon115 No, you're not better off. You need to learn to feel your opponent. If he's too fast reaction time visually isn't good enough. Exercises like this train reaction time, feeling movement and lines, and the basic components to WC's striking system.
Hitting bags and mitts as training helps in SPORTS like MMA and Boxing. Real fighting requires careful and efficient technique.
@Mau13r no its not about speed,reaction time is enhanced when the thought process is eliminated,and if you worry about your opponents speed the moment will pass you by and you will never catch up.
I wish i could learn from such great pioneers of wing chun such as ip chun, ip ching, samuel kwok, but i live in Australia and it is hard to find good sifus :(
@MsGetbizzy Your an idiot lol this is a quote from fist of legend-jet li "experience should fear the strength of youth" good point BUT the experienced can control that strength and deflect it. therefore putting them off their centreline, wing chun principal.
Grandmasters who have both spent over 40 years perfecting there chi sau style and form, the bones in there arms are conditioned like iron the short distance power that they can generate is immense .....
The irony of all this is that this old man knows so much technique, but if you pay attention to the last part. He is a playful person and seem very peaceful.
@WTKSB1987 He who knows does not speak, and he who speaks does not know. Even if you know your techniques inside out, true knowledge will lead you to show some humility
@WTKSB1987 I agree. =) He just looks so comfortable performing a move. It is like 2nd nature. Wonder if it would be cool to pick and choose from every art to conform to your own style? Or what feels intuitive. I just know I want my finishing move to be a pinch in the nose..haha.
@TotalFreedom76 CARRIED ON FROM LAST POST: using a lot of pressure & then Played Chi Sao with them & found they were soft, its just an optical illusion, if you were an experienced Wing Chun person instead of a cocky amatuer you would know this. Sorry that your ego makes you blind. lol
@TotalFreedom76 Sorry but you dont know what your talking about Ive trained with some of Ip Chuns senior students & know many people that have played Chi Sao with him & they all say he is the softest person you could possibly Chi Sao with, just because it looks like hes using a lot of pressure of camera doesnt mean he actually is ive often watched people doing Chi Sao & thought they were
@sodamiza I don't think they could have held their arms up as long as they did if they had used a lot of pressure? Yes, it looked like they were using dynamic tension, but that would be impossible to maintain throughout their drill. I guess good sticking to your opponent looks like pressure.
Interesting comment, I take it you were a student of the late Ron Heimberger. Sounds like you know alot about his life, I'm sure you don't know as much about him as you think you do. To call him "SUPERMAN MASTER HEIMBERGER" is wrong, for he would never consider himself that. Speaking crap about others tells me that you were not a student of his, since he would never aprove of such things. Grow up.
wow, i respect ip chun but his skill was never any good. ip ching was always way way better. and sam cock is just an arrogant s.o.b. 10 years under my belt under the only wing chun SUPERMAN MASTER HEIMBERGER. (R.I.P) HE was in more street fights than tony massengil and sammy cok put together x10..thats why his skill remains untouched. at 52 he was more powerful than ANYBODY in wing chun. even ip chung.
@Mysenthrope Chi sau is a drill but in all seriousness these people are a joke. they train chi sau for the sake of chi sau rather than to train any sort of figthing qualities.
yes. no question. the encounter would only last seconds with these guys as backup. Wing Chun IRL is fast, deadly and brutal. I wouldn't be out to just defend and punch the other guy, I want to stop him from breathing.
this is terrible. Im so confused how yip mans son is this bad....how 99% of the wing chun i see is so bad. I dont blame people for saying this stuff doesnt work if this kind of stuff is what they go off of
I think at this point Yip Chun's age is getting to him, while Samuel Kwok is like what... 20? I'm no Wing Chun practictioner, but that's what it looks like to me, at least.
Master Kwok & my sigung Master Ip Chun are both absolutely fantastic, with both very hard and soft qualities. This viseo is quite dated & I also believe that you have to look beyond 'everyday' training. Now& again I advocate hard sparring and a more concerted effort in chi sau. I find myself tensing at times also, don't you, sometimes having to inwardly say...'relax'. I've trained with both of these people & have huge respect for them as my lineage.
@TotalFreedom76 You must not know anything. Pay close attention to what Ip Chun is doing. And show respect to him aswell. You have no place to critisize him of all Wing Chun masters, no matter what you believe your skill level is.
@WTKSB1987 I suppose you can land a hit on these men with whom you've never touched hands? Men of documented reputation. If you fail to see the skill in this then I'd like to see what you consider good.
@spoonydanger i wont just land a hit i will mke use of there rigidity and force the softer you are the more sensitive you are. these guys look like wooden dummies. just cause ur daddies ip man doesnt mean ur his best student or u understand or take what he has to teach seriously. when something is given to you it is often taken for granted.
Hahaha, okay. They don't look rigid at all, they look springy, but by all means. Head to Hong Kong or the UK and have at them and post a video of your flurry of hits on these guys. If not head to Chicago and you can practice your skill on me.
Chi sau is an exercise to develop sensitivity and technique. It's important to stop and examine situations in order to correct mistakes or improve methods.
And my school is the Ving Tsun Self Defense Academy in Chicago, and perhaps I'll visit you if I'm in the area.
@spoonydanger that is slow as molasses u shouldnt be concious of yoour movements it should be done with out thought otherwise you are announcing your intent when tense. enlightenment is in the being no the seeking.
@SWIDanateske Thanks! When I say, tense, I mean they apply force as though to strike, not in the sense of rigidity.
When applied appropriately the forward intention in their arms turns into a strike, though at the same time your hand moves to strike, a good practitioner will have had correct forward intent and remove the strike.
If one is totally relaxed like a noodle, when force meets, then good body structure is no longer a benefit and one cannot convey their ging in a strike/deflection.
Thankyou to the person who posted this...Now that is art,full on chi sao with the best in the world,and weren't thay enjoying them selfs with where ability.
NO DESRESPECT BUT I DO BOXING&UR LIVER IS EXPOSED U WOULD NOT LAST LONG& U HAVE NO PUNCH POWER AT ALL,U WOULD NOT LAST IN A REAL FIGHT,DO MMA ITS COMPLETE,STYLES R OUT DATED!(no desrespect)
no disrespect taken. But in all fairness, I think you don't get to see how strong wing chun can make one defensively and offensively. Besides, penetrating deep enough to actually effect the liver requires penetration power that a gloved hand cannot accomplish. Wing Chun's power is short range and relies on structure and acceleration which is something that MMA and boxing lacks, especially in close fighting.
i disagree with both of you. that glove is there to protect the fighters hand, not your face or body. liver punches are quite common in mma and boxing/kickboxing. but i agree with you traditional martial arts do teach students how to produce great power if you get a good teacher.
also protecting the other guys face? i was trying to say (didnt do too good a job huh lol)...if you're wearing the gloves they are there to protect your hands, not your opponents face or body so much.
i think what prchdaword meant was boxing gloves they use in many professional fights...you can't exactly wear those fat gloves and do a wing chun punch or sparring for that matter..=)
what does that have to do with it? ANY type of glove is there to protect the fighters hands who's wearing them. has nothing to do with penetration. or protecting the other guys face.
erm..i am not a practitioner of any fighting art, but i watch boxing, and other fighting sport, and i always thought those gloves were to prevent real serious injuries when the blow really land correctly...as I said, its just what i think, i could be wrong :)
why do gardeners, mechanics, and welders wear gloves? to protect their hands. same reason you wear gloves in winter...to protect your hands. trust me those gloves don't prevent injury. there are plenty of knockouts, cuts, scrapes, bruises, liver shots, and broken noses in boxing and other arts.
oo ok~~ got ur point =) didn't know that..not really a fan of fighting as a sport, but the movie Ip Man actually spurred my interest~! hence the popping in...good video here btw~
While gloves actually do protect your hands, the more important thing is actually to protect the other guy. Professional martial artists/fighters can deliver punches that will literally crush you. The glove dissipates the force to minimize impact. Yes, there are still many injuries, but less death. The gloves are a safety measure. Knuckles are one of the hardiest parts of your body, so not much point protecting them.
but moreso to protect the fist. if they were concerned too much with protecting the other guy...they wouldnt fight. just my opinion. the reason the gloves dissipate any force is so you don't break your hand. it happens all the time. thats why they use hand wraps as well. you don't wear shin pads to protect the other guy...you wear shin pads to protect your own shins. as an example. sure they do offer some level of protection to the opponent. but IMO moreso for the person wearing them
Since the introduction of boxing gloves there have been more recorded deaths in boxing than during the age of bare knuckle boxing. They are designed to soften the impact on the hand, when bare knuckle boxing one is more likely to strike at the chest as it is a softer target. Now that fighters use gloves they will strike at the head resulting in more serious injuries.
Indeed, gloves are for the protection of the hand, and have over the years caused many internal head injuries due to repetetive cushioned blows to the head. During the days of Bare Knuckle popularity it was common for fighters to use the palm to strike hard targets (bone), and the knuckles to strike soft targets (muscles etc). This concept is still widely taught in may forms of non-sport based martial arts.
gloves are for different purposes. for sparring to allow for a little less control and a bit more force. for bags to protect the hand. full contact really to reduce unsightly cuts and blood injuries also to extend a fight. they make hitting a target harder due to their size. getting hit with an 8oz glove stings you can feel the fist. a 16oz is like being hit with a club.
You guys are both correct. Gloves are used to protect the hands of fighters who don't condition their hands to fight without protection. Gloves are also used to prolong fights and protect those being hit from severe injury. It is actually quite easy to knock someone with one or two punches if you are skilled enough to deliver the punches in the correct places. Also, it's illegal in the United States to conduct bare-knuckle fights. So that's why gloves are employed in officially sanctioned bouts.
sorry to be a pain and destroy all your dreams, but according to Duncan Leung, Ip Ching never leant from Ip Man, he learnt from Ip Chun. And also in regards to people in his organisation switching their lineage Sam Kwok has switched probably more times then any of them! lee shing, ip chun, ip ching. in all honesty i believe that its down to marketing anyway from all of them. however... sam kwoks wing chun is very good
I have no time for Kwok however if someone i.e. Rawcliffe has learnt from him, why does he now claim to be an IP Chun student? The same goes for a lot of Kwoks students. In fact Rawcliffe first learnt from Simon Lau.
Why do they distance themselves from Sam Kwok he introduced them to Ip Chun? Give the guy some respect.
Also why do all you Wing Chun people give yourselves these big titles like Grandmaster and Master of almightyness?
i heard through the grape vine that rawcliffe bad moathed sam kwok to the ip brothers and damaged there friendship to kwok!i think its cleared up now,ive heard a rumour that kwok wants wingchun in the olympics[national sport],,,no joke!!!
Sounds like Rawcliffe the odious little twat! He has no respect for the sifus that first taught him. Kwock helped him then he stabbed him in the back.
Should have stuck with Karate as it suits his robotic 5" frame
i was always told that it has to do with many factors. and the title is earned. sifu is teacher obviously. but it also depends on how long you've been training/teaching. how many students you have, how many teach, whether or not you have children or grandchildren studying/teaching. your contributions to the art over the years and things like that. so there doesn't have to be a single head of the style as in most japanese styles.
but any real master would never refer to himself as one. and especially, it is not allowed (using the title master)if one's sifu is still alive. i read that in a brendan lai interview earlier today.
sifu translates more to "Teacher/father" than "master". What you read is incorrect. I call myself sifu, i.e., and my teacher (my father) is still alive. And this is common. This isn't something i read. This is something i know and have experienced. ^_^
you call yourself sifu, not a master. what i mean is for you to call yourself master, your sifu cannot still be alive. i was not using the terms master and sifu interchangably
Haroldsf1 you sound confident, but Master Leo Au Yeung has been told this but Master Samuel Kwok himself, plus from the info I've seen Master Shawn Rawclife is an Grandmaster Ip Chun student.
I have heard that Master Billy thinks a lot about Master Rawcliffe. and knows him personally. in fact they both respect each other... so why the "in fighting"?
Sifu Leo Au Yeung (reguarded by Master Kwok as his best student) now teaches at South Wimbledon Community Centre on Monday nights, he can clear up any of your queries about Wing Chun. P.S. Show some respect to two of the best in the world.
Sifu Leo Au Yeung is actually a student of Master Billy Davidson in Manchester, and you can check that with Master Samuel Kwok, or any of the students that trained with Sifu Leo in Wales under Master billy.. show respect to the true linage, I'm sure Sifu Leo would show the same respect to Master billy too...
I dont mean to disrespect any Sifu out there. But Sifu Leo first trained under Ip Chun (2 Yrs), when he came to England Billy Davidson was the closest credible sifu for him to train with. Then he moved closer to Samuel Kwok to train with him, but each year he goes back to Hong Kong to train with Ip Chun & Sin Kwok Lam. So you can not really call him a Billy Davidson Student. Sifu Leo respects all who has taught him, & made him the true Master he is today.
I use "52" sometimes as a common referrence, I actually was trained in Afro-Cuban Mani, The Horn, and Afro-Philly Bumsrush. I also had a 3 year exchange with a Vanguard.
I cannot believe some comments in this thread. 1 master, 1 Grandmaster and you pick holes? This is an old video and, in answer to the last post, I for one can tell you that Sifu Samuel Kwok has lots of power, if thats your thing, and is also a respectful and respectworthy individual. It seems its always the same with wing chun people, slagging each other off depending on which lineage they trained under. Please give it a rest ppl and just get on with your own shit :(
well, unless you've actually chi sao'd with him its not fair to say that he has no power. I have chi sao'd with him and he's pretty powerful if you ask me. And yes, I've been able to compare him to other masters to know
Wing Chun is still a style with limitation, there's a reason Bruce Lee says be like water, adapt to every situation individually because sticking to a style only limits you.
Yaknaw 1 month ago
@Yaknaw do you practice wing chun?
Shuukyou 1 month ago
Да, этому сифу приходится почти из последних сил противостоять своему ученику. Сколько и в вин чуне порочного.
kanvrn 2 months ago
lol^^
cashman0712 3 months ago
a person who badmouths another martial artist knows nothing...
thedjaney2 3 months ago 4
looks really sloppy lots of force against force - do they really to bong sao/ larp sao drill in neutral stance? - seems odd? the little guy is standing directly in front / in the pocket and taking everything from the big guy - do they not have a blind side principle? this is a poor mans wing chun
discoowl 5 months ago
@discoowl They can't generate power naturally from the ground. They are leaning on each other half the time and they when they come under pressure they jump and lean backwards rather than directing the force into the ground .
springchantboxer 3 months ago
@springchantboxer If you lean in wing chun you are directing a line of force which can easily be taken advantage of - this is actually the basis / logic behind the chi sao drill in which they train. Only beginners train bong / larp from neutral stance as you are wide open for front kicks - this is sloppy, impractical stuff imo
discoowl 3 months ago
Watch the movies "Ip Man" and "Ip Man 2" they are about the master in this video, they are 2 of my favorite movies and they're in chinese, with them you can clearly see the fast paced fighting, they're on netflix
deathatback 6 months ago
@deathatback This is Ip chun, which is Ip man's son. Ip man I dont think was alive when this demonstration was filmed.
FunInUtah 5 months ago
Those who don't understand Wing Chun will make all sorts of comments. Understandable. ^_^ haha! When you learn it, you will see how effective real Wing Chun is. I've seen practitioners (seasoned) from different forms totally admit that Wing Chun made them feel like their art was ineffective. This is from their mouths, not mine.
wnet8 6 months ago
@wnet8 You are so correct. What non WC practitioners don't understand about chi sao is that as soon as you bridge (make contact) you are forcing the non WC practitioner to play chi sao, a game he knows nothing about. And me must play if he intends to maintain any contact with you. This is a realization that you simply need to go through years of training to understand fully.
chisaoboy 2 months ago
@chisaoboy So true!! ^_^
wnet8 2 months ago
@chisaoboy - Wing Chun practitioners have no chance in forcing Chi Sau on opponents that don't leave their arms out. Take for example boxers. The strike goes out fast, retracted even faster and the first strike is normally designed to setup subsequent strikes. Boxers want to keep their distance and use footwork as part of their defense strategy. To initiate Chi Sau, you would have to assume your opponent wants to fight in close combat. But thats not the case with Strikers.
iApna 2 months ago
@iApna Very good reply--thank you. Allow me to add this: WC practitioners are trained to keep close distance. If the opponent retracts, a skilled WC man will always seek to close the gap. Aha! Now we get to the stage where we ask: "Who is the better martial artist? Will the boxer's training allow him to get away... or will the WC man's training allow him to stay close?" Isn't this where all these debates eventually lead, really? :-) All the best, my friend.
chisaoboy 1 month ago
@chisaoboy - You are missing some additional elements to a boxers strategy. But I prefer to compare Muay-Thai due to my background. We train the entire body to act as part of our defense. We don't necessarily block every incoming strike especially if its aimed at the body. I have no problem getting kicked in the legs, or punched in the stomach/kicked in the stomach or chest in exchange for the opportunity to knock someone out cold with my hands.
iApna 1 month ago
@chisaoboy - Its easy to say, "close the gap". But one thing you must understand about fighters. We actually do prefer people try to walk in on us, whether be boxer or Thai boxer. Simply because our opponent will likely be walking into a fist and it requires less energy to chase someone down.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna I hear you, but let's all remember that WC was developed for personal self defense on the street... not necessarily to fight trained professional fighters of any style. Chances are, the thug who wants your girlfriend isn't a top-ranked Thai boxer or MMA fighter. Comparing any fighting styles (which I sometimes have done) is sort of like saying the chess master can beat the checkers player. Two different games. In any event, all that's important for me is self defense against a street thug
chisaoboy 1 month ago
@chisaoboy - Hence the issue with Wing Chun and the associated training. When we train, we train for all types of fighters, regardless of style, street, boxer, kicker, grappler, big or small. How do you fight a guy who ways 30lbs less than you assuming your 210lbs? They have never ending cardio. How about the opposite? How about someone that can break bats with his shin? How do condition for this and everything else. We train for the worst case scenario. Each to their own I guess.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna P.S. A skilled WC practitioner doesn't need just his opponent's arms. He can attack any area of the body. Please see my other reply.
chisaoboy 1 month ago
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wnet8 6 months ago
i luv wing chun!
DeepWhiteMusic 7 months ago
Leather pants
skateprince101 7 months ago
The school I learn at has a very relaxed vibe to it. You learn and lots of higher sashes help you out. The former karate school I learned at promoted more violence than peace. Not saying all karate dojos do but that one did.
majin2912 7 months ago
Sam Kwok? Oh..Wow...I thought that the student in this *Drill* was a younger Donnie Yen
berryola 8 months ago
It looks alright for a drill, for a sparring a bit weird.
Wyga23 8 months ago
Too tense..
dlvt79 9 months ago
I hope wing chun teaches people to respect each other.
guns1312 10 months ago
@guns1312 It's one of it's core principles according to Yip Man
sickness324 7 months ago
@sickness324 Really?, my master didn't tell me that yet after a few lessons I suddenly became a much nicer person :S......weird
guns1312 7 months ago
@guns1312 Good :) Wing Chun is a deeply spiritual martial arts. I hope everyone learns respect through their respective art.
sickness324 7 months ago
May Wing Chun live forever
guns1312 10 months ago
Initially I couldn't even see the punches being thrown.
nerlind 11 months ago
Everyone's a critic and knows better than everyone else. Master's in their own minds... *shakes head*
hardfugoo1 11 months ago
ip-chun is not a legend. he is just the sone of the grandmaster.
like most of the chinese "legends" who were the sons of a master, he only lives from honor and being related to a great master.... but not from his skills
schulleee 1 year ago
this is ip chun and sam kwok, if any of you new who they are you would not be saying dumb stuff like this is to fast this it to tense this is not Genuine Wing Chun this is not real wing chun. blah blah blah. the older genteleman in this clip is the highest authority in wing chun kung fu if you ever had any question on wing chun he would be the best person you could ever ask, him or his brother ip ching. so to say they are doing it wrong is just funny/stupid!
brelgno1 1 year ago
@brelgno1 People prove their value by their work.it is not something that pases fome one generation to other.I dont say he is not capable but there other better...
dlvt79 9 months ago
@dlvt79 he would kick the living shit out of you. He's like 70 years old in this video dumbass.
gaminginpublic 7 months ago
@gaminginpublic mmm....ok.i am scared...these guys must be genious accordin u.For me it is cat fight.
dlvt79 7 months ago
@dlvt79 How close-minded and ignorant of you. Wing Chun is a complex, yet simple art. When the Japanese took over the southern part of china before WW2, Ip Man was the one who dueled the Japanese general, a master of Karate, and defeated him. Ip man then got shot but he survived and moved to Hong Kong. His actions gave the Chinese the willpower to start fighting back at the Japanese. So please be more open-minded and don't compare an amazing, and legendary, beautiful work of art to cat fighting.
WorldOfMartialArt101 6 months ago
@WorldOfMartialArt101 Thnks for the history knowledge but what is the matter with u?U talk about someone else story and i speak for what i see.WC is way more better nowdays than what i see in the vid.It is not disrepect but my side of view.They are too tense, there is no great footwork and they push too much.
dlvt79 6 months ago
@WorldOfMartialArt101 Also i cant imagine chi sao without final purpose.They finish the hits front of the head.I dont say kill each other but it doesnt seem effective to me justdoing chisao without being able to hit. Also the elder should be 3 times better but it seeme equal.
dlvt79 6 months ago
@dlvt79 To paraphrase my sifu, a student of Ip Ching's. A good sifu generally only be going at a pace appropriate for the student. It's the student who is training, not the sifu and so there is no reason to be excessive and try to hit the student and overpower him/her and break their structure. If you're skilled the student won't be able to hit you. To hit is easy, but to control and avoid being hit requires skill, and that is what the student is learning through chi sau.
aberrantblue 6 months ago
@aberrantblue I dont totally disagree but many times a student must feel the hit so to anderstand his false,his gap in chi sao.Otherwise he will have the illusion that he can still going on.I dont say kill,i say hit with control.It is also a way to see in practise what your sifu can do,cause there manh that speak all the time and show off but they are not really skilled.They dont have power and distance acuracy.
dlvt79 6 months ago
@aberrantblue Look what happen with boxers.They must hit many times and again and again and most times is not k.o.That is cause of the protective equipment .And that is normal for sport. They get hit but still going on.Will that happened in real fight ?Wing chuners are not get serious by other martial artists(not everybody) cause they trained bad.We have illusions and that doesnt get us better.
dlvt79 6 months ago
@dlvt79 Okay, let me simplify even further. Chi sau isn't sparring. It's for sensitivity and control. There is no analogous boxing exercise to compare to chi sau.
aberrantblue 6 months ago
@aberrantblue For me it is the bridge from far distance to the hit point,that mean is part of sparring.Otherwise why we need sensitivity?
dlvt79 6 months ago
@dlvt79 So by your logic, we might as well not practice the forms because what's the point in practicing open hand when we're practicing to fight others?
To your question, the more sensitive you are, the better If your sifu is constantly breaking your structure and moving faster than you can keep up with, you will only learn that sifu is more skilled than you. You don't put a child on a bike for the first time and race him/her down a hill, you coach their balance and form.
aberrantblue 6 months ago
@aberrantblue I probably got misunderstood.I dont say shi sao is not important.I say it is but with purpose.So as the form is important ,with final purpose to be your moves(body,legs,hands..) accurate in sparring.I say that many people which are good in chi sao CAN NOT hit .Cause they train too friendly.Thare are times that sifu must be cool,but other times must be dynamic to see how it is in reality.Train be better technician,train be better fighter.They are 2 diferrent things
dlvt79 6 months ago
@dlvt79 On that note, this is the last of my argumentation. Good luck in your training.
aberrantblue 6 months ago
@aberrantblue And i dont think there is any child in the video.Their level is supposed to be high.I say if someone gets no high pressure never become good.I love the art of wing chun but i love also to be effective.
dlvt79 6 months ago
@dlvt79 Your mistake is that you've decided already what's effective, instead of discovering it. If you can't see the skill involved, then you are looking through the wrong lense. That is unless you think you could touch hands with either of these practitioners and hit as freely as you believe chi sau should be.
aberrantblue 6 months ago
@aberrantblue I have nothing to decide,i discover the truth by training.And the truth for me is what i told u.Nice to talk to u.Keep training too.
dlvt79 6 months ago
Old man strength. :D
hugdeez 1 year ago
this is no real wing chun;)
strikbp 1 year ago
samuel kwok ^^^^
animedrummerboy 1 year ago
@dragonmist58 i live in NSW and in Forbes (small terrible town with nothing to do) but i travel to Dubbo every saturday to learn though :)
blumey16 1 year ago
i can't wait until i start learning Chi Sau
airsoftwannabe618 1 year ago
These kinds of exercises are a complete waste of time. You are better off working the heavy bag or focus mitts.
talon115 1 year ago
@talon115 I take it you don't practice Wing Chun yourself.
fdesa12 1 year ago
@talon115 No, you're not better off. You need to learn to feel your opponent. If he's too fast reaction time visually isn't good enough. Exercises like this train reaction time, feeling movement and lines, and the basic components to WC's striking system.
Hitting bags and mitts as training helps in SPORTS like MMA and Boxing. Real fighting requires careful and efficient technique.
Mau13r 1 year ago
@Mau13r no its not about speed,reaction time is enhanced when the thought process is eliminated,and if you worry about your opponents speed the moment will pass you by and you will never catch up.
WTKSB1987 1 year ago
@talon115 Your comment reveals that you simply didn't understand what you watched.
chisaoboy 1 year ago
I wish i could learn from such great pioneers of wing chun such as ip chun, ip ching, samuel kwok, but i live in Australia and it is hard to find good sifus :(
blumey16 1 year ago
look how skinny dat chinese guy is i'll break his face with 1 punch ahahahahahahahaah
MsGetbizzy 1 year ago
@MsGetbizzy bullshit i bet he van knock you down in one punch
Paulokups 1 year ago
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@MsGetbizzy bullshit ibet he can knock you down in one punch
Paulokups 1 year ago
@MsGetbizzy "dat" skinny chinese guy is now almost 84 years old and would still wreck you in 5 secs.
ice3691006 1 year ago
@MsGetbizzy Your an idiot lol this is a quote from fist of legend-jet li "experience should fear the strength of youth" good point BUT the experienced can control that strength and deflect it. therefore putting them off their centreline, wing chun principal.
blumey16 1 year ago
Great video thanks for sharing it
TheTweak0r 1 year ago
@wtksb1986 foolish words against two
Grandmasters who have both spent over 40 years perfecting there chi sau style and form, the bones in there arms are conditioned like iron the short distance power that they can generate is immense .....
Your comment shows very little respect
For grandmasters or wing chun elders
This means one of two things
1. You don't train wing there for don't know
What your talking about
Or
2. You have a bad Sifu who has not shown
You the wing chun codes of conduct
TheTweak0r 1 year ago
The irony of all this is that this old man knows so much technique, but if you pay attention to the last part. He is a playful person and seem very peaceful.
bournepriest 1 year ago
@bournepriest its not how much technique you know its how well you know it.
WTKSB1987 1 year ago
@WTKSB1987 He who knows does not speak, and he who speaks does not know. Even if you know your techniques inside out, true knowledge will lead you to show some humility
omryus006 1 year ago
@WTKSB1987 I agree. =) He just looks so comfortable performing a move. It is like 2nd nature. Wonder if it would be cool to pick and choose from every art to conform to your own style? Or what feels intuitive. I just know I want my finishing move to be a pinch in the nose..haha.
bournepriest 1 year ago
What do you experienced WC guys think about the footwork you see here?
chisaoboy 1 year ago
it make look easy but this is very difficult and takes a lot of concentration and training.
alberito93 1 year ago
A little bit like Taichi
WalkingTowardLights 1 year ago
@TotalFreedom76 CARRIED ON FROM LAST POST: using a lot of pressure & then Played Chi Sao with them & found they were soft, its just an optical illusion, if you were an experienced Wing Chun person instead of a cocky amatuer you would know this. Sorry that your ego makes you blind. lol
sodamiza 1 year ago 2
@TotalFreedom76 Sorry but you dont know what your talking about Ive trained with some of Ip Chuns senior students & know many people that have played Chi Sao with him & they all say he is the softest person you could possibly Chi Sao with, just because it looks like hes using a lot of pressure of camera doesnt mean he actually is ive often watched people doing Chi Sao & thought they were
sodamiza 1 year ago
@sodamiza I don't think they could have held their arms up as long as they did if they had used a lot of pressure? Yes, it looked like they were using dynamic tension, but that would be impossible to maintain throughout their drill. I guess good sticking to your opponent looks like pressure.
ChicagoJoe57 1 year ago
Nice Vid
sodamiza 1 year ago
Nice Vid
sodamiza 1 year ago
I like the demonstration makes the ultimate demonstration fong agustin
TheChipendale 1 year ago
I wonder how many Wing Chun students there are world wide ... I wonder if it's OVER 9000!!! ?
ThatGuyFromYouTueb 2 years ago
Realy bad chi sau.
kaiubis 2 years ago
softpalm9000
Interesting comment, I take it you were a student of the late Ron Heimberger. Sounds like you know alot about his life, I'm sure you don't know as much about him as you think you do. To call him "SUPERMAN MASTER HEIMBERGER" is wrong, for he would never consider himself that. Speaking crap about others tells me that you were not a student of his, since he would never aprove of such things. Grow up.
1969MustangFastback 2 years ago
wow, i respect ip chun but his skill was never any good. ip ching was always way way better. and sam cock is just an arrogant s.o.b. 10 years under my belt under the only wing chun SUPERMAN MASTER HEIMBERGER. (R.I.P) HE was in more street fights than tony massengil and sammy cok put together x10..thats why his skill remains untouched. at 52 he was more powerful than ANYBODY in wing chun. even ip chung.
softpalm9000 2 years ago
I see a lot of pushing here.
=/ push hands.
KiCreativeStudios 2 years ago
SISSY FIGHT! at the first demo
Marsl2007 2 years ago
@Talon115, its got nothing to do with bar fighting you dumass!
underpantswedgy 2 years ago
the tall guy reminds me of the dude from kuk sool won.
CupisHomines 2 years ago
This is a DRILL, not sparring. Criticizing this for direct combat application is like busting on wrestling after you watch them PUMMEL.
Mysenthrope 2 years ago 17
exactly. only armchair commandos with no sense criticize this. they have no clue the level of practice and talent it takes to do this.
cannabischarlie 2 years ago
@Mysenthrope it can be used for drill and sparring.
itstam619 9 months ago
@Mysenthrope Chi sau is a drill but in all seriousness these people are a joke. they train chi sau for the sake of chi sau rather than to train any sort of figthing qualities.
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This is soo fucking retarded...
Telemorphics18 2 years ago
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This is soo patetic...
Telemorphics18 2 years ago
you mean they wuld go to a bar with me ?!!!!!!
(joke)
borbador 2 years ago
Would you want either of these guys to back you up in a bar fight?
talon115 2 years ago
yes. no question. the encounter would only last seconds with these guys as backup. Wing Chun IRL is fast, deadly and brutal. I wouldn't be out to just defend and punch the other guy, I want to stop him from breathing.
shuyin131 2 years ago
samuel kwok is a great master and great person well respected
bragon152 2 years ago
this is terrible. Im so confused how yip mans son is this bad....how 99% of the wing chun i see is so bad. I dont blame people for saying this stuff doesnt work if this kind of stuff is what they go off of
greglewis26 2 years ago
@greglewis26
I think at this point Yip Chun's age is getting to him, while Samuel Kwok is like what... 20? I'm no Wing Chun practictioner, but that's what it looks like to me, at least.
Draugmoth 2 years ago
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THERE BOTH SHIT, END OF.
BULLSHIT123xx 2 years ago
Master Kwok & my sigung Master Ip Chun are both absolutely fantastic, with both very hard and soft qualities. This viseo is quite dated & I also believe that you have to look beyond 'everyday' training. Now& again I advocate hard sparring and a more concerted effort in chi sau. I find myself tensing at times also, don't you, sometimes having to inwardly say...'relax'. I've trained with both of these people & have huge respect for them as my lineage.
stantonmiles 2 years ago
omg never saw sutch a hard chi sao ... impossible to get sensitive if u work with so mutch pressure...
TotalFreedom76 2 years ago 2
@TotalFreedom76 You must not know anything. Pay close attention to what Ip Chun is doing. And show respect to him aswell. You have no place to critisize him of all Wing Chun masters, no matter what you believe your skill level is.
MrChiSao 1 year ago
@MrChiSao sorry that your ego makes u blind .....
TotalFreedom76 1 year ago
@TotalFreedom76
Watch closely. They continuously tense and relax quickly as they complete movements. aka the way it ought to be done.
spoonydanger 1 year ago 7
@spoonydanger garbage should always be relaxd. there basics suck . garbage on top of garbage
WTKSB1987 1 year ago
@WTKSB1987 I suppose you can land a hit on these men with whom you've never touched hands? Men of documented reputation. If you fail to see the skill in this then I'd like to see what you consider good.
spoonydanger 1 year ago
@spoonydanger i wont just land a hit i will mke use of there rigidity and force the softer you are the more sensitive you are. these guys look like wooden dummies. just cause ur daddies ip man doesnt mean ur his best student or u understand or take what he has to teach seriously. when something is given to you it is often taken for granted.
WTKSB1987 1 year ago
@WTKSB1987
Hahaha, okay. They don't look rigid at all, they look springy, but by all means. Head to Hong Kong or the UK and have at them and post a video of your flurry of hits on these guys. If not head to Chicago and you can practice your skill on me.
spoonydanger 1 year ago
@spoonydanger why not. whats ur school name? hey why don't you come up to billings MT.
WTKSB1987 1 year ago
@spoonydanger and why the hell r they stopping every so often? that is silly you cant stop in a real fight.
WTKSB1987 1 year ago
@WTKSB1987
Chi sau is an exercise to develop sensitivity and technique. It's important to stop and examine situations in order to correct mistakes or improve methods.
And my school is the Ving Tsun Self Defense Academy in Chicago, and perhaps I'll visit you if I'm in the area.
spoonydanger 1 year ago
@spoonydanger that is slow as molasses u shouldnt be concious of yoour movements it should be done with out thought otherwise you are announcing your intent when tense. enlightenment is in the being no the seeking.
WTKSB1987 1 year ago
@spoonydanger
You are very right in observing that they continuously tense and relax.
But I cannot agree with you that this is the way it ought to be done.
Genuine Wing Chun (Shaolin Kung Fu in general) is best if practiced in a totally relaxed manner. Thus, your internal force will not be blocked.
I can only speak for myself, but this way, I generally got the most and quickest benefits.
I am not meaning any disrespect, since every school handles its Wing Chun, and thus Chi Sau, differently=).
SWIDanateske 1 year ago
@SWIDanateske Thanks! When I say, tense, I mean they apply force as though to strike, not in the sense of rigidity.
When applied appropriately the forward intention in their arms turns into a strike, though at the same time your hand moves to strike, a good practitioner will have had correct forward intent and remove the strike.
If one is totally relaxed like a noodle, when force meets, then good body structure is no longer a benefit and one cannot convey their ging in a strike/deflection.
spoonydanger 1 year ago
Thankyou to the person who posted this...Now that is art,full on chi sao with the best in the world,and weren't thay enjoying them selfs with where ability.
Hesaytome 2 years ago
the guy talking sounds like he's had a little too much to drink...
Ocirnep 2 years ago
Que lixo...What a trash
agamus 2 years ago
hab kein geld+gesundheit was will ich mit sport.
1560129 3 years ago
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NO DESRESPECT BUT I DO BOXING&UR LIVER IS EXPOSED U WOULD NOT LAST LONG& U HAVE NO PUNCH POWER AT ALL,U WOULD NOT LAST IN A REAL FIGHT,DO MMA ITS COMPLETE,STYLES R OUT DATED!(no desrespect)
scorpiusaries 3 years ago
no disrespect taken. But in all fairness, I think you don't get to see how strong wing chun can make one defensively and offensively. Besides, penetrating deep enough to actually effect the liver requires penetration power that a gloved hand cannot accomplish. Wing Chun's power is short range and relies on structure and acceleration which is something that MMA and boxing lacks, especially in close fighting.
prchdaword 3 years ago
i disagree with both of you. that glove is there to protect the fighters hand, not your face or body. liver punches are quite common in mma and boxing/kickboxing. but i agree with you traditional martial arts do teach students how to produce great power if you get a good teacher.
kempobrad 3 years ago
no no ,I totally forgot about also protecting the other guys face. good point. Safety first ;)
prchdaword 3 years ago
also protecting the other guys face? i was trying to say (didnt do too good a job huh lol)...if you're wearing the gloves they are there to protect your hands, not your opponents face or body so much.
kempobrad 3 years ago
i think what prchdaword meant was boxing gloves they use in many professional fights...you can't exactly wear those fat gloves and do a wing chun punch or sparring for that matter..=)
JeremyL1983 3 years ago
what does that have to do with it? ANY type of glove is there to protect the fighters hands who's wearing them. has nothing to do with penetration. or protecting the other guys face.
kempobrad 3 years ago
erm..i am not a practitioner of any fighting art, but i watch boxing, and other fighting sport, and i always thought those gloves were to prevent real serious injuries when the blow really land correctly...as I said, its just what i think, i could be wrong :)
JeremyL1983 3 years ago
why do gardeners, mechanics, and welders wear gloves? to protect their hands. same reason you wear gloves in winter...to protect your hands. trust me those gloves don't prevent injury. there are plenty of knockouts, cuts, scrapes, bruises, liver shots, and broken noses in boxing and other arts.
kempobrad 3 years ago
oo ok~~ got ur point =) didn't know that..not really a fan of fighting as a sport, but the movie Ip Man actually spurred my interest~! hence the popping in...good video here btw~
JeremyL1983 3 years ago
martial arts are great. not all of them are "sports" ...and wing chun is a great system. give martial arts a try!
kempobrad 3 years ago
While gloves actually do protect your hands, the more important thing is actually to protect the other guy. Professional martial artists/fighters can deliver punches that will literally crush you. The glove dissipates the force to minimize impact. Yes, there are still many injuries, but less death. The gloves are a safety measure. Knuckles are one of the hardiest parts of your body, so not much point protecting them.
DaSilvaMonkay 2 years ago
but moreso to protect the fist. if they were concerned too much with protecting the other guy...they wouldnt fight. just my opinion. the reason the gloves dissipate any force is so you don't break your hand. it happens all the time. thats why they use hand wraps as well. you don't wear shin pads to protect the other guy...you wear shin pads to protect your own shins. as an example. sure they do offer some level of protection to the opponent. but IMO moreso for the person wearing them
kempobrad 2 years ago
Since the introduction of boxing gloves there have been more recorded deaths in boxing than during the age of bare knuckle boxing. They are designed to soften the impact on the hand, when bare knuckle boxing one is more likely to strike at the chest as it is a softer target. Now that fighters use gloves they will strike at the head resulting in more serious injuries.
UniversalTruths 2 years ago
Indeed, gloves are for the protection of the hand, and have over the years caused many internal head injuries due to repetetive cushioned blows to the head. During the days of Bare Knuckle popularity it was common for fighters to use the palm to strike hard targets (bone), and the knuckles to strike soft targets (muscles etc). This concept is still widely taught in may forms of non-sport based martial arts.
jwhitenstall 2 years ago
gloves are for different purposes. for sparring to allow for a little less control and a bit more force. for bags to protect the hand. full contact really to reduce unsightly cuts and blood injuries also to extend a fight. they make hitting a target harder due to their size. getting hit with an 8oz glove stings you can feel the fist. a 16oz is like being hit with a club.
808hawk 2 years ago
You guys are both correct. Gloves are used to protect the hands of fighters who don't condition their hands to fight without protection. Gloves are also used to prolong fights and protect those being hit from severe injury. It is actually quite easy to knock someone with one or two punches if you are skilled enough to deliver the punches in the correct places. Also, it's illegal in the United States to conduct bare-knuckle fights. So that's why gloves are employed in officially sanctioned bouts.
notthisnotthat 2 years ago
Doesn't look like much, but good luck to you if you ever meet a Wing Chun practitioner. Caps lock isn't cruise control for cool in your case either.
EvilJOEFX 3 years ago
i friggin hate that damn autoplay feature!!! sorry...lol
kempobrad 3 years ago
sorry to be a pain and destroy all your dreams, but according to Duncan Leung, Ip Ching never leant from Ip Man, he learnt from Ip Chun. And also in regards to people in his organisation switching their lineage Sam Kwok has switched probably more times then any of them! lee shing, ip chun, ip ching. in all honesty i believe that its down to marketing anyway from all of them. however... sam kwoks wing chun is very good
NorthernDaveTN2 3 years ago
uhhh...no. Ip Ching definitely finished under his father...duncan leung didn't live with Ip Man like Ip Ching did for 10 years straight training ;)
prchdaword 3 years ago
why does it matter? wing chun is wing chun. it all goes back to the same source. so what if people do it a little differently?
kempobrad 3 years ago
I have no time for Kwok however if someone i.e. Rawcliffe has learnt from him, why does he now claim to be an IP Chun student? The same goes for a lot of Kwoks students. In fact Rawcliffe first learnt from Simon Lau.
Why do they distance themselves from Sam Kwok he introduced them to Ip Chun? Give the guy some respect.
Also why do all you Wing Chun people give yourselves these big titles like Grandmaster and Master of almightyness?
robertwingchun 3 years ago
everybody wants to get closer to the sources...even if they step over those who trained them unfortuneately
prchdaword 3 years ago
i heard through the grape vine that rawcliffe bad moathed sam kwok to the ip brothers and damaged there friendship to kwok!i think its cleared up now,ive heard a rumour that kwok wants wingchun in the olympics[national sport],,,no joke!!!
GazSwain 3 years ago
Sounds like Rawcliffe the odious little twat! He has no respect for the sifus that first taught him. Kwock helped him then he stabbed him in the back.
Should have stuck with Karate as it suits his robotic 5" frame
haroldsf1 3 years ago
Master Rawcliffe is my Sigun you obnoxious prick, i know for a fact you wouldn't have the balls to say all that to his face you weak pathetic coward.
SirMetaKnight6 2 years ago
actually it was one of the ip brothers that brought up the idea of sport chi sao at the first wc gathering, not kwok.
kempobrad 3 years ago
i was always told that it has to do with many factors. and the title is earned. sifu is teacher obviously. but it also depends on how long you've been training/teaching. how many students you have, how many teach, whether or not you have children or grandchildren studying/teaching. your contributions to the art over the years and things like that. so there doesn't have to be a single head of the style as in most japanese styles.
kempobrad 3 years ago
but any real master would never refer to himself as one. and especially, it is not allowed (using the title master)if one's sifu is still alive. i read that in a brendan lai interview earlier today.
kempobrad 3 years ago
sifu translates more to "Teacher/father" than "master". What you read is incorrect. I call myself sifu, i.e., and my teacher (my father) is still alive. And this is common. This isn't something i read. This is something i know and have experienced. ^_^
dragonhalfchao 3 years ago
you call yourself sifu, not a master. what i mean is for you to call yourself master, your sifu cannot still be alive. i was not using the terms master and sifu interchangably
kempobrad 3 years ago
you dont call yourself "master" really at all. there is no real word in Chinese for "Master" in that sense.
dragonhalfchao 3 years ago
too many people call themselves a master, that was the point.
kempobrad 3 years ago
sifu is a respectful title given to you by others. It cannot be self appointed. A rough translation would be "father" more than "teacher".
mrbastardisthetruth 2 years ago
I think the exact translation is:
si- teacher
fu-father.
So sifu means father-teacher.
There are also si-suq (uncle-teacher), si-hing (brother teacher), and I guess there are many others I don´t know.
zascandil2000 2 years ago
But he has also been taught by Ip Chun.
CreasyE 3 years ago
Rawcliffe is Kwok,s student.
robertwingchun 3 years ago
Shawn Rawcliffe is his top student
haroldsf1 3 years ago
Haroldsf1 you sound confident, but Master Leo Au Yeung has been told this but Master Samuel Kwok himself, plus from the info I've seen Master Shawn Rawclife is an Grandmaster Ip Chun student.
CreasyE 3 years ago
How many of Master Billy's students now say thay are under Grandmaster Kwok? they forget the respet and the Linage!!!...
dragonlordswife 3 years ago
I have heard that Master Billy thinks a lot about Master Rawcliffe. and knows him personally. in fact they both respect each other... so why the "in fighting"?
dragonlordswife 3 years ago
Sifu Leo Au Yeung (reguarded by Master Kwok as his best student) now teaches at South Wimbledon Community Centre on Monday nights, he can clear up any of your queries about Wing Chun. P.S. Show some respect to two of the best in the world.
CreasyE 3 years ago
Sifu Leo Au Yeung is actually a student of Master Billy Davidson in Manchester, and you can check that with Master Samuel Kwok, or any of the students that trained with Sifu Leo in Wales under Master billy.. show respect to the true linage, I'm sure Sifu Leo would show the same respect to Master billy too...
dragonlordswife 3 years ago
I dont mean to disrespect any Sifu out there. But Sifu Leo first trained under Ip Chun (2 Yrs), when he came to England Billy Davidson was the closest credible sifu for him to train with. Then he moved closer to Samuel Kwok to train with him, but each year he goes back to Hong Kong to train with Ip Chun & Sin Kwok Lam. So you can not really call him a Billy Davidson Student. Sifu Leo respects all who has taught him, & made him the true Master he is today.
CreasyE 3 years ago
Has Sifu Leo told everyone that he spent 7 years with Sifu Billy and if it was not for Sifu Billy he would not even have meet Master Kwok?
Or that Sifu billy is Master Kwok's most senior student? and that sifu kwok always mentions Sifu Billy as Sifu Leo's Sifu?
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OctoBox 3 years ago
Who taught you 52?
irrik777 2 years ago
I use "52" sometimes as a common referrence, I actually was trained in Afro-Cuban Mani, The Horn, and Afro-Philly Bumsrush. I also had a 3 year exchange with a Vanguard.
OctoBox 1 year ago
I cannot believe some comments in this thread. 1 master, 1 Grandmaster and you pick holes? This is an old video and, in answer to the last post, I for one can tell you that Sifu Samuel Kwok has lots of power, if thats your thing, and is also a respectful and respectworthy individual. It seems its always the same with wing chun people, slagging each other off depending on which lineage they trained under. Please give it a rest ppl and just get on with your own shit :(
fezweasle 3 years ago
Kwok is no good, no power!
LumLaiBung 3 years ago
well, unless you've actually chi sao'd with him its not fair to say that he has no power. I have chi sao'd with him and he's pretty powerful if you ask me. And yes, I've been able to compare him to other masters to know
rgvwingchun 3 years ago