Rep. Myrick on Anti-CAIR Campaign: 'This Has Nothing to Do with Muslims'

[resistislam2011]

the biggest myth in history is there are moderate muslims, where are they when someone is stoned, or beheaded? i never see them in the news protesting in large numbers against the "Radical" muslims, where are you are you afraid to speak against them? please give me an answer

[Momsincharge]

Sue is disgusting. She should retire.

[califsucks]

When will our shitbag government full of pedophiles and rapists get iit through their shit bag heads that ALL muslims are terrorists? quit importing them here... Need to deport them all and prevent islam from being practiced here.. Time to get rid of our current Nazi government..demorats and conservatards.

[JPK7777777]

Thank you Rep. Sue Myrick.

Documents do not lie.

We finally have proof positive we have been infiltrated thanks to Gaubatz & Sperry's newly published expose of CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood, et. al.: "Muslim Mafia"

They say the only thing that can stop them is for the American people to stand up and say, "No more!"

See my page's comments section for CAIR expose details and "PLAN".

[nuumskee]

I fail to see what the problem is AIPAC interns are in senate and house offices all day long and the AIPAC and JDL have had problems with there representatives spying on the USA. Several have been deported and some over the years have been charged and i never see them go nut ball over that. Cair was indicted and then the charges were droped and no one has been hit with anything so whats the problem? The muslims cant have interns but they can pay taxes and join the military? This is dumb

[PaulCynic]

No, what you're doing is accepting dangerous corruption because dangerous corruption has already be established. Its like saying, oops they dumped shit in my front yard. Oh well, its already there, no reason to complain about more shit.

NO NO NO. You confront and expose those who are causing the problem. That's Myrick's responsibility to the American people. And point of fact, not only should we attack CAIR, we should attack AIPAC. Both PACs will draw us further into violent mideast fighting.

[nuumskee]

If you look at CAIR & AIPAC there is no comparison and everyone knows it. CAIR fund raising is a joke compared to AIPAC. CAIR doesnt personallt write legislation like AIPAC Members do. CAIR Has a muslim lobby your member day about twice a year and thats about it. Most of the time they use their lawyers to defend muslims who have been discriminated agaisnt in the work place. more than half of the USA muslim community wich is African American don't pay them any mind. the paranoia is false

[keytoothed]

AIPAC.

[extempers]

Why don't they go attack the Imam of America, Imam Siraj Wahaj while there at it too?

Does she have any idea how popular CAIR is?

Heck, many see CAIR as too LIBERAL!

She hasn't worked with anyone. Try again lady.

[nuumskee]

Yeah, they had like 2 people out of 1000 members from get named in as unedited cos to a another organization which the charges were droped because they had ZERO on CAIR. The bush White house had to many AIPAC people in the justice department trying to illiminate any Pro Zionst efforts in the country and used their power to attack any and all groups seen to pro Palestine. Many companies lost buisness and were innocent only to be told sorry latter after the athorities killed their companies

[nuumskee]

and to be fair calling Saraj Wahaj the imam of America is super funny. u gave this do way to much credit because he doesnt have a huge following like that. his mosque is in a poor area & although the immigrants like to have him do fund raisers in the suburbs to rally their young to support beautiful new masque in all white neighborhoods they dont come to the inner city to return the favor & help out his community which is a major sore spot between the muslim sects.. so dont give him to much time

[LiveFreeLibertarian]

This woman is whacked. I guess she's too embarrassed to have written a forward to a book she hadn't read and verified.

[bigbengamer]

republicans fear infiltration? no, they fear what they have feared since slavery ended: INTEGRATION

[Ed76638]

Rick Sanchez should just keep his trap shut.

"CAIR gives money to Hamas."

Well, we give money to Israel so they can bomb the Gaza Strip.

[Ed76638]

And while Israel is killing folks in Gaza, the American congress doubles down and passes a resolution supporting Israel's killings.

[PaulCynic]

Thank you for conceding the issue, Ed76638; giving money to powers that turn around and use those funds to kill civilians as a means of effecting a political change (aka TERRORISM) is wrong.

Its funny that your comment paints you as a 'team player' in that you're ok with terrorism so long as it isn't Israeli. In fact, a recent UN watchdog group is calling Israel's actions in Gaza last winter exactly what it is: TERRORISM.

They're both fucking scumbags and neither should get funding from the US.

[Ed76638]

I'm not ok with any terrorism. I just want the Gazans to rebuild the shit that Israel destroyed.

[Melvin6566842]

>a recent UN watchdog group

You mean the Human Rights Council under the leadership of such great Human Rights upholding countries like Libya?

That doesn't mean I agree with Israeli policy (there are good reasons btw. to differentiate between terrorism and war crimes, not that fascists like Hamas really bother) but the UNHRC is a farce.

[PaulCynic]

The gentleman who lead the UNHRC investigation is Richard Goldstone, not Libya. Ad-hominem alone does nothing to reduce the accuracy of the report. Go ahead, please take the time to discredit Mr. Goldstone and his team.

[Melvin6566842]

Mr. Goldstone himself stated that the UNHRC declaration accusing Israel of terrorism is one-sided and wrongly using his report to condemn only Israel while ignoring the crimes of Hamas.

And indeed: while the report speaks of war-crimes on both sides, the UNHRC resolution does not. Why? Libya, Syria etc.

[PaulCynic]

I see where you're coming from. But their bias doesn't reduce Israel's culpability in this conflict. And Israel is right to defend itself and its people from the rocket attacks, but when they go so far as to use human shields, and to kill civilians in areas they KNOW there are no enemy forces.. what exactly do we call it? Genocide? Terrorism (seeing that there's a deep political motive to their actions)? When did it become OK for Israel to do the things for which we condemn their enemies?

[PaulCynic]

The sad truth is that Of Course Syria and Libya are going to pick teams and back Palestine, just like my Congressman is going to favor Israel. They're all wrong to do so; its this ridiculous game of double standards that fuels that conflict.

Lets not be that weak.

Lets look at what each is doing and when its wrong, say so. Both Israel and Palestine know that no matter how horrible they behave, how violent, they wont lose their biggest fans, and in fact they know it only draws them in closer.

[Melvin6566842]

They don't back "Palestine", they back Hamas and other fascists who are sacrificing the Palestinian Youth in fights where there is nothing to gain but power for their sect.

That's the demagogy also CAIR is doing: pretending there is a conflict between "The Muslims" and "The West" or in that case "the Palestinians" and "the Israelis" and not fanatic religious nuts and fellow travelers vs. liberals and humanists and their values.

[PaulCynic]

I agree with you, and that's basically the point I'm trying to make. Hamas, Fatah, it doesn't matter. Israel, too, has its staunch, turn-a-blind-eye, team-colors-till-the-end allies as well.

Even so, the report is accurate, and Israel's actions--regardless of their legitimate operations in other parts of Gaza--are effectively terrorism. We don't get to call an action a War Crime when its Israel, and Terrorism when its Hamas in an attempt to obfuscate what 'our team' has done.

[Melvin6566842]

I never meant to defend Israeli crimes in the Gaza-war, even though I prefer to call them "war crimes" instead of "terrorism" in order not to blurr the lines here and appear demagogic.

But the UNHRC is not the institution that is able to do any good here, it deserves abolishment. It is dominated by Islamist and totalitarian states that as far as Human Rights are concerned only criticises Israel and nowadays even liberal democracies because of their free press but never Iran f.e. or China.

[PaulCynic]

At this point I'm not sure if you're arguing that the report is invalid because of the executive bias, or if its just too bad that there's executive bias.

Richard Goldstone has defended Israel many times in the past from his current post. If we transplanted Goldstone and his report to a different Parent, say Amnesty International, would there still be an issue with the details?

Forget the politics and semantics, call war crimes by their proper designation: Terrorism.

[Melvin6566842]

Amnesty International has indeed a much higher credibility than the UNHRC, which has none.

To call war crimes terrorism and to "forget" about "politics and semantics" just means not to care about the meaning of words where this is most needed and to make sure than a meaningful discourse over those things is not possible anymore. That's fine if you enjoy propaganda and the continuation of all this, I however don't.

[PaulCynic]

There it is, naked team playing. You're legitimizing Israel's actions by using a less pejorative word, even though the actions themselves are identical.

Goldstone's report is what matters, not the people he reports to.

The last word is all yours, though I thought we were on the same page for a bit.

[Melvin6566842]

What? "War crime" is less "pejorative" than "terrorism"? And that's why we should use both words as if they are the same now? And whoever wants not to "legitimizes Israels actions"?

That's just silly, what are you - 15?

Those words are not to be used to scare idiots who don't know their meaning or to serve whoevers demagogy thanks to their "pejorative meaning", but to describe distinctly different things. Different problems need different solutions, you know.

[PaulCynic]

Let me ask you this:

Hamas fires rockets from Gaza into Israel's Western Negev territory several times over the last year. Only minor injuries were ever caused. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and so Hamas' actions are terrorism.

Israel, in response, levels entire sections of Gaza, vital infrastructure, uses civilians as human shields, and kills civilians in locations they know there are no enemy forces. Israel is not a terrorist Organization, and so Israel's actions are not terrorism.

?

[PaulCynic]

Of the nations that have recently committed war crimes (China, Russia, to name two big ones), which of them are treated to the same degree of international rebuke (sanctions, threats of strategic air strikes, assassination attempts, etc), which of these War Criminal Nations suffer as much as a nation that's instead a Terrorist designate? Not a single one. War Crimes aren't as severe an accusation as Terrorism BASED ON how the international community treats one over the other.

[PaulCynic]

Why is Hamas a terrorist Organization when its the legitimate government of Palestine? Given that, Israel and Palestine are at war with one another, so their rocket attacks are an act of war, not terrorism. Yet we call the rocket attacks and suicide bombings terrorism (which is correct because there is a political motive behind killing Israeli civilians). Israel kills Palestinian civilians to send a message to Hamas.

[PaulCynic]

Whats the difference? The actions are the same; since the stronger and correct accusation is Terrorism, then both are guilty of TERRORISM.

You're mixing bones because you favor Israel. Israel is your team, and so you're giving your team a break--shying away from saying the cold-hard-honest truth about their actions in Gaza.

Your refusal to call Israel's terrorism, "terrorism" is the core problem with that conflict. Israel and Hamas will always be supported, regardless of their actions.

[morda8]

the thing is tht after 2005 wen israel left gaza israel didnt touch gaza.

instead of rebuilding gaza hamas began firing rockets into israel and renewed hostilities.

after 4 years wen israel had enough of the hamas bullishit they launched an operation to deal with them.

[morda8]

i fail to understand how u can label the defending of ur citizens as terrorism.

[PaulCynic]

morda8, I completely agree with you that Israel had a right to defend itself from the rocket attacks in Gaza. That's not the issue. Read the conversation between Melvin and I and you'll see what I'm arguing.

Also, read up on the Goldstone report; you probably haven't had a chance to see why Israel is under fire--its certainly not their legitimate military action in Gaza.

[shalomyo]

ok so far reading the goldstone report alot sounds like bull, they condem attacking palistinian officials they condemm attacking policemen.

they are trying to say tht there were no militants in UN compounds such as the UNWRA where as helicopter footage clearly proved tht there were.

the call firing mortar shells at hamas millitants sorounded by a civilians "delibarate civilian attacks"

[shalomyo]

the report light heartly condemms hamas it hardly goes into detials wot hamas done wrong in operation cast lead instead they focus into hamas fatah conflict in lke 10 pages and seem to forget tht hamas ever fought in tht operation.

they really slip out some pathetic excuses to turn turn policemen into civilians, a firefight between hamas a "delebarate civilian attack"

they brush of the fact tht hamas hid weapons in mosques clearly proven by video footage.

[PaulCynic]

We're clearly not reading the same report.

[PaulCynic]

Statements by Israeli Government and armed forces representatives justified the attacks arguing that political and administrative institutions in Gaza are part of the Hamas terrorist infrastructure. The Mission rejects this position. It finds that there is no evidence that the Legislative Council building and the Gaza main prison made an effective contribution to military action. p 11, article 3.

They destroyed these buildings, and killed civilians to punish Hamas. There were no enemy forces.

[nuumskee]

Please show me one thing from the CAIR website or fundraises all over youtube that proclaim a war with the west as you say

[PaulCynic]

That's ok, you don't like AIPAC therefore they're bad and trying to do bad things. You like CAIR so they're not bad and not trying to do bad things. Way to defend your team. Let the mayhem continue.

[intarwebzz]

did she just flip her shit?

[Eldrad235]

RELIGION need to GO Do you have any idea the number of problems that would be solved if everyone Came to the understanding that there is only ONE god and its the SAME GOD for ALL Beliefs..

[HugeJohn51]

well you're close...you've whittled it down to one god...now you just need to take that final step and realize that there isn't any god at all. Then at least that would be one less thing to fight about.

[TheManSand322]

look at her eyes...... shes reptilian

[intarwebzz]

ANNUNAKI!

[cat00012000]

This is the kind of person I hate running into. They just see it as their job to push people around. They're afraid so they lash out. I should have some sympathy for them, but all I can think about it how much pain they cause. I wish I knew what could be done about them.

[chop98]

It would seem that there are a lot of pro-Islam, pro-Minority, and Lefties watching this video. I expect a lot of hate replies with my post. It's ok. I'm a big boy now. People posting seem to have a genuine hatred for America. My responders will throw out big words and tell me I'm racist. It's ok. I'm a big boy now. And the language used to describe a person that seems to have legitimite gripes about a corrupt organization is irreprehensible. Mmmm...college word.

[laleeloolelo]

Do these count as "college words"?

A sour grape is sour and an obvious troll is obvious.

[chop98]

Yes, they do. I knew one would show up. You've described yourself as the true atheist cynic that you seem.

[laleeloolelo]

A cynic?

Gee who knew a volunteer for humanitarian cause is a "cynic"? /Sarcasm.

[chop98]

Looks like you have your hands full already.

[ehkinoh]

I've heard a lot of openly derogatory comments toward Muslims by Republican politicians lately. Lindsey Graham said "I don't believe Barrack Obama is a Muslim, I believe he is a good man." Insinuating that it is impossible for a man to be both Muslim AND good...

[pokermaster54]

i want muslims to start influencing the U.S. government as they have done to European governments. Maybe that'll wake up the evangelicals in America and make them realize why we have secularism in America in the first place and why they should respect it. They don't have a problem with religion and politics mixing when it's their own religion, but they're deeply offended and shocked when it's another religion doing the influencing. What a bunch of fucking morons.

[Melvin6566842]

You want Islamic fanatics burning books on the street, demanding censorship and getting taxmoney to indoctrinate people with religious hate? You want your government to cave in even to the most ridiculous demands of the leaders of OIC countries out of fear of riots and terrorist acts?

Apart from a few (ex-)Muslims that work for the abolition of honour killings etc. this has been the "influence" "Muslims" have done to EU governments.

Basically to fight one evil you are ready to permit another.

[laleeloolelo]

Really?

Aside from the riot over the cartoon years ago i don't know any other "fanatics burning books on the street, demanding censorship and getting taxmoney (Sic) to indoctrinate people with religious hate" on ANY EU countries.

If you distrustful or dislike muslims or islam that is your choice, but please don't exaggerate or making up things about them so they look more menacing.

[Melvin6566842]

There were and are many such events, starting with the Rushdie-affair in 1989 in all European countries with a notable muslim minority, that you are ignorant about those doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Also many of the so called "intercultural" or "multicultural centers" financed by the public became known for being the stage of islamist-militant indoctrination to the younger migrants, notably in Bradford (UK) or Ulm (Germany).

Quite some Muslims btw. wrote a good books about this.

[laleeloolelo]

Melvin, you brought up an example that happened 20 YEARS ago.

What's your example of this "islamist-militant indoctrination" in UK and Germany?

And it's your assertion so it's your responsibility to provide proof.

BTW i volunteer to teach muslim children English in Indonesia and i'm still here even after Bali bombings and the more recent Jakarta bombing.

Do you still think i'm "ignorant about those"?

[Melvin6566842]

Sure the Rushdie affair happened 20 years ago and for twenty years we have not only Islamists but also many others preaching that "tolerance" in those cases is not the duty of Muslims but of those who are deemed offensive.

And yes I think you might be ignorant about "those" meaning the Islamists and the power they have over the largely uneducated and resentful groups of muslim immigrants in Western Europe.

You are the one who thinks I cannot differentiate here, I simply think you are naive.

[laleeloolelo]

So you think someone who volunteered to teach in a different place among different people is "naive"?

Oh well.

[Melvin6566842]

Sure you are naive. That has not much to do with your volunteering, what makes you think you are smarter or less naive than others just because you volunteered as a teacher? People volunteer for all kinds of things out of a lot of reasons, many out of very stupid ones.

I say you are naive because you don't want to see the dangers of Islamism. Indonesia is btw. a good example of how Islamists fight against civil liberties. If you didn't notice that you are not only naive but blind.

[PaulCynic]

Well, the KKK only "used" to kill blacks 60 years ago. The KKK is TOTALLY different because TIME has passed... /rollseyes at Laleeloolelo

Because of who they WERE, in this case, Myrick is doing the obvious and responsible thing by being CAUTIOUS. Forgive all of the capitalized words, but after reading your posts its clear that you're either half-blind, or a raging ignorant. My vote is a little of both.

I don't know Myrick's policies, but I'm thankful that she's being cautious.

[Melvin6566842]

So if you read "From Fatwa to Jihad" by Muslims like Kenan Malik, or "The caged virgin" by Ayaan Ali you will get to realise that you are the bigot here by saying stuff like "If you distrustful (sic) or dislike muslims or islam" and accusing me of bigotry and making things up.

It is not necessary to make things up, the situation is dramatic enough as it is. People like you however decide to look the other way, that's the most "menacing" part of it all.

[PaulCynic]

Are you fucking kidding me? The Brits, French, Germans, and even tiny Denmark are screaming at the Government to stop Muslim extremist groups from altering their constitutions. Fuck, the largest Muslim lobby group in England are pushing to have a separate, Sharia-based law for practicing Muslims. WTF is that all about?

And yeah, you've ignored the issue with honor killings, the fatwa on the heads of so many authors critical of Islam, including Rushdie and the Cartoonists. Man and so much more.

[laleeloolelo]

Really?

What demonstration in UK, France or German "screaming at the Government to stop Muslim extremist groups from altering their constitutions"?

And what is the name of this "largest Muslim lobby group"?

I've asked the same kind of question to Melvin but instead of showing me examples he told me he thinks i'm "naive."

Sure i can look for things in google but they're your arguments so it's your responsibility to back them up.

BTW there's a difference between caution and bigotry.

[PaulCynic]

At least 20 dog-aided blind people have lodged discrimination complaints with the Victorian Taxi Directorate. Dozens more have voiced their anger.

Spokesman Neil Sach said the association had appealed to the mufti of Melbourne to give religious approval for Muslim cabbies to carry guide dogs.

One Muslim driver, Imran, said yesterday the guide dog issue was difficult for him.

``I don't refuse to take people, but it's hard for me because my religion tells me I should not go near dogs,''

[PaulCynic]

Youtube: Protest Against Sharia Law in UK, 7-3-2009.

Just Copy/Paste

[laleeloolelo]

Hmm, so you've shown me a video of ONE demonstration but it's better than Melvin's response IMO.

BTW you still haven't tell me the name of that "largest Muslim lobby group" who are "pushing to have a separate, Sharia-based law for practicing Muslims."

[PaulCynic]

From Timesonline

September 14 2008

Revealed: UKs first official sharia courts

Abul Taher

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has... sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from... financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by... five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

[laleeloolelo]

Hmm, this is the rest of the article:

"Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act.

[...]

Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: 'The MCB supports these tribunals. If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish, so must the sharia ones'."

[PaulCynic]

You're absolutely right, and thank you for conceding the issue. I clearly have a problem with both of them, but this discussion was about Sharia (a belief system that condones child-rape, dismemberment, and death as a punishment). I have an equal qualm with Christian fundamentalism here in the States, and of Zionist fanatics spraying acid on children for using an iPod. Legitimizing Sharia is WORSE than these other examples, but they're all in the same vein.

I can provide examples all day.

[laleeloolelo]

So, are you also as hard against fundamentalist christians or jews as you are against muslims?

[PaulCynic]

I've answered that in another comment, just below. I replied with several, so you may have missed it.

Absolutely. I was relieved when the Supreme Court overturned a LA law that expanded Capital Punishment to include pedophiles--NOT because I'm sympathetic to them, but because the law relaxed the high requirements on the most severe punishment on the books. Gov. Jindal cited the Old Testament as justification for the amendment.

Man, there are so many types of fanaticism from so many camps.

[intarwebzz]

i will never sign up for a system where the punishment is harsher to the original perpetrator than the offense was to the victim of the original offense. while i'm at it, i'll go ahead and come out generally opposed to any system that punishes victimless crimes--all too often it's a slippery slope to legislating morality.

[PaulCynic]

Youtube: MARCH FOR SHARIA IN UK

[PaulCynic]

The lobby group is the MCB, and they have been very successful in passing laws that censor criticism of their religion in the UK. Criticism of someone's lifestyle and belief system are integral components of FREE SPEECH. But thanks to this lobby group, Sharia--which is a brutal, stone-age legal system that prescribes death as a common punishment--now governs civil life for millions... Cannot be legally criticized. Its on the same page as holocaust denial--do it and you go to prison.

[laleeloolelo]

The Sharia court in UK is authorized by the same law which authorized Jewish Beth Din court.

What's good for the goose yada yada yada.

[intarwebzz]

More like "Schwang wang wang." People need to chill out with their religious governance; they only want to use it when they find the state's penalty insufficiently punitive. When a lot of us are wondering how half these things became illegal in the first place. Whatever happened to peaceable assembly unencumbered by law enforcement, for instance?

[Melvin6566842]

So because there is already a crack in the cup it should be smashed altogether? Doesn't sound smart to me, especially if you don't have another one to drink from yet.

Esp. because it is so obvious that sharia-arbitration serves only sexist bullying of women.

Britain needs a written constitution, based on the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, that does away with all this unenlightened nonsense. One law for all!

[laleeloolelo]

If you're really concern about the "cracks in the cup" then you should be fair and be as hard against the Jewish Beth Din Court as you are against Sharia Court.

I don't mind if there are people against religious fanaticism as long they are fair about it and target ALL religious fanaticism including the one in their own (Or their friends') religion.

[Melvin6566842]

Yes in theory though but in practice this is not a real problem. The Jews are at large completely secularized, thanks to Haskalah and subsequent partake in modernity of many. Their arbitration courts will not lead to massive bullying of women to give their rights away.

Muslim girls or women however need the protection of the law against the thugs of her alleged "community" and often her own family while a Jewish girl can simply say she wants out, for Jews that's entirely her decision.

[PaulCynic]

"Their arbitration courts will not lead to massive bullying of women to give their rights away. "

Totally begs the question. The type of practicing Jews that would use the arbitration courts over the main-secular courts are more likely to want the outcome to favor their religious views--why else would they go to a religion-based arbitration committee?

And irrespective of that fact, the LOOPHOLE is the greater issue. In order to stop the Sharia courts, you have to close these loopholes.

[Melvin6566842]

I agree on the loopholes, but that would need a more comprehensive approach to Human Rights and civil liberties in general.

About the jewish arbitration courts: I'm not aware that forced marriages or honour killings etc. are problems of contemporary Judaism. I thus don't see it as problematic in the practical sense. Still you are right to point out the "loophole" issue. I point out another: why can't  every other "religion" ask for similar privileges?

BRB, founding a cult.

[Melvin6566842]

There are many examples since 20 years, you decided to ignore them however. That's why I said you are naive. I even gave you 2 books to consider, what more do you expect from a youtube comment?

[laleeloolelo]

You may call me whatever you want Melvin.

It's just ironic that the person who actually lives among muslims has no fear of them even after events like Bali bombings or Jakarta bombing.

Whereas people who live far away from muslims are very afraid to the point of paranoia IMO.

I understand the danger of Islamist fanatics, i also understand the danger of ALL kind of fanaticism.

So If you're also hard on christian fanatics like Eric Rudolph etc then your worry is based on valid concern IMO.

[Melvin6566842]

How did you get the idea that I don't understand the danger of ALL kinds of fanaticism?

Read my first statement and you will see that it was directed against Christian fundamentalism as much as Muslim one. Even though I pointed out that the later one is quantitatively more a problem than the first I don't see much of an ideological difference.

So I'm not one of the "people" you talk about.

If you bother to have a look on my channel you might realize that my concern is religion as such.

[nuumskee]

BTW im not a "fan of CAIR" i spent several years working for an org that didn't believe american muslims should support CAIR policies because they were geared toward Arab issues & not strictly AMERICAN issues. this is their right as most of them are Arab & have concerns about their homelands & wanted a strong lobby arm to counter AIPAC but they're not on the same league & to make them the same isn't honest no knew CAIR until after 911 when AIPAC bush reps in the justice dept use 911 2 get even

[nuumskee]

and ths fatwa mess is takin way overboard. u can get a fatwa on anything you want too. heck fatwa's werent even this deep until the last 50 years or so. its not divine its just someone running their mouths. if a nut case rns and kills a doc @ an abortion clinic no one is runnin around blaming all of christainity because he got some "fatwa" froma minister. its dum. Islam has no clergy, no divine order.. people give themselves titles simply because they traveled to Mecca. its all a joke lol

[Richardgwm]

Are there any sane people left in the Republican party?

[bigredjeff007420]

fuck islam

fuck religion

[bigredjeff007420]

lol

[frostwolf1]

uh oh, CAIR is trying to infiltrate our congressional offices with interns and lobbyists!

Wow....sounds like.... EVERY fucking PAC group in this country!

So is she opposed to congress being controlled by interest groups in general, or just this one because they represent Muslims?

[PaulCynic]

You clearly haven't followed her argument all of the way through. CAIR was found guilty of giving HAMAS monetary aid earlier this year. Are you so fucking stupid that you'd dismiss valid arguments based on her party affiliation?

Its her DUTY, her fucking CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION to work for our safety. Myrick--what ever her policies--is doing her fucking job. What other PACs with terrorist affiliation do you support? Or do you not care about who gives money to our elected officials?

[laleeloolelo]

Paul, what court case in which "CAIR was found guilty of giving HAMAS monetary aid"?

[PaulCynic]

Evidence tying CAIR... to the Hamas-support effort was disclosed during the prosecution of the Texas-based HLF. CAIR and its chairman... Omar Ahmad, were named un-indicted co-conspirators in the case. Both Ahmad and CAIR's current national executive director, Nihad Awad, were revealed on government wiretaps as having been active participants in early Hamas-related organizational meetings in the United States. During testimony, FBI agent Lara Burns described CAIR as a front organization.

-J2009

[PaulCynic]

As early as 2006:

CAIR: Islamists Fooling the Establishment

by Daniel Pipes and Sharon Chadha

Middle East Quarterly

Spring 2006

The Department of Homeland Security refuses to deal with it. Senator Charles Schumer (Democrat, New York) describes it as an organization "which we know has ties to terrorism."[2] Senator Dick Durbin (Democrat, Illinois) observes that CAIR is "unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations with groups that are suspect."

[PaulCynic]

Steven Pomerantz the FBI's former chief of counterterrorism notes that "CAIR, its leaders, and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups." Counterterrorism expert Steven Emerson calls it "a radical fundamentalist front group for Hamas."[3]

[frostwolf1]

Well thanks for filling me in on the background details, as I couldn't really be expected to know any of that from a minute-long clip. Although I must say, both the internet tough-guy routine and the "you support terrorists!" cards you pulled are rather played-out and unsporting. Simply providing the raw info will do just fine...

[PaulCynic]

Yeah, only if people like you weren't so quick to boil PUBLIC SAFETY down to a political issue. I HATE the current incarnation of the Republican party, but unlike you I would NEVER think and then say "Hrm, she's a republican. No reason to check her facts, and every reason to ad-hominem."

Its just sad that your paradigm is just that fucking lazy. And so I couldn't give two shits if you were offended. Fuck, I'm offended by YOUR comments.

[frostwolf1]

I can tell you're offended, and it's silly, considering all I did was point out that CAIR's lobbying efforts are the same as all other PACs. I wasn't even defending CAIR; I was touching on the fact that our lobbying system is corrupt. Given the power these groups wield, that's a valid issue, is it not?

Just because someone watching this clip isn't aware of CAIR's shady dealings (as I wasn't) doesn't mean they're playing political footbal with the issue. Not everyone is your enemy, bro.

[PaulCynic]

Well, you get a thumbs up for clarifying; and you make a great point.

[sabboth42]

LOL Look at this crazy bitch. She is trying to list off muslin associations to her like someone caught throwing around the N word does to prove they aren't being racist. You got caught you old crusty cunt, just come clean.

[WKaliberr]

Corey Sevier

[Wintermute01001]

Republicans fear Muslims influencing government? Didn't we once call that "democracy"?

[Waranle]

Cair has done a lot good things to improve the relationship between Muslims and non muslims. The only respected Org in USA. But again, republican and other wacko right wing motherfuckers, just want to scare people. AIPAC the biggest jewish lobby, and they get to do every fuck they want. ANTI-Cair=Anti-muslims

[PaulCynic]

Totally wrong. The legitimate wing in CAIR that lobbies for Muslim interests do not discount the massive corruption and terrorist activity from higher up in the organization.

Anti-CAIR = Anti-Terrorism. If those in CAIR who aren't involved in financing terrorism, training terrorists and sending them to the middle east, and in bringing HAMAS terrorists to the US, if those people want respect, they should leave CAIR and found a new--LEGITIMATE--PAC. As we have it, CAIR is in bed with terrorists.

[natural]

AIPAC is the biggest lobby in Washington that looks after the Jewish interest. but that's OK right? and now a few Muslims wanna send interns to congress, ooooh that's just not right. lol.

Thanks congress woman, you summarize what is deeply wrong with our world and why we are so deeply divided...

[micahgee]

They spy on the US and totally control congress

[natural]

who the Muslims control the congress?

oh man stop watching Glenn Beck. Trust me, you'll add 50 points to your IQ the next day.

[PaulCynic]

Again, you haven't looked at her entire argument. CAIR is a terrorist front-organization. I agree with you that AIPAC is dangerous given that the support they purchase in Congress leads directly to human rights violations when Israel slaughters civilians in Palestine. And I agree we need to kick their terrorist asses out of congress. That fact in NO WAY diminishes the problem with CAIR.

Quit picking sides. Its disgusting when people have a favored terrorist group.

[nuumskee]

I would disagree because being named in a indictment and being charged and fined are 2 different things. If that were so they would have lost their right to lobby long ago and have all their assest frozen. lots of people are named and unindicted cos all the time but at the en dof the day if they arent charged then its not worth much. u can have a $5 bag of weed and get hit with a attempt to distribute charge which is a joke the law will toss every code they can at you in he hope that 1 sticks

[HabitualNightOwl]

This is pure bigotry and to see this in our Congress in 2009? Fucked up.

[micahgee]

absolutely, she fears Muslims but doesn't mind that Israelis control US foreign policy

[HabitualNightOwl]

And Muslims are a growing group in America. They aren't shrinking and we already have alot of Muslims that work in Washington DC, in the Pentagon and in Congress... so for these Republicans spewing their hate and paranoia, its too late to put the genie back into the bottle.

And FUCK this CNN asshole for coddling her and making it sound like she has reasonable concerns.

[njcarlos1]

Search on YouTube: Bruce Bawer Bill Moyers

and also search ... Bruce Bawer Conference

[Lyes99dz]

Fair accusation?!!!

[JOHNINCOLUMBUS]

I think we need to send Myrick and the rest of Congress and the Senate for the "surge", just think how fast the wars would end if they had their asses on the line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wowhornby]

hahahaha aipac is ok though.

[micahgee]

exactly...even though they spy on the US for Israel

[chillmonster]

I hate how Rick Sanchez lets her off the hook. EVERY organization in Washington does that. It's because they're a Muslim organization that she has a problem.

[pseudolover]

the republicans are targeting minority organizations to get their base "fired up"

[StormyWeather21]

i fucking hate republicans! they always say "moderate Muslim" like all other Muslims are radical or something. after white Christians murder people in cold blood and blow up hospitals because they don't like what they do. do we say or moderate Christians? Republicans don't even realize their racism and xenophobia and its sad.

[Doazic]

Muslims aren't the problem, Islam is the problem.

[mrbhave]

Religion is the problem.

[bboris92]

Exactly! Eradicate all religion, and there won't be any problems. It's really as simple as that.

[micahgee]

start with the Mormons in the US

[PaulCynic]

They did that in the USSR and are continuing to do that in China. Guess what, the problem is human nature. Religion is only an extension of our basically violent tendencies. Yes, I say religion is the skin on curdled milk, but like all things, Religion can be used positively.

My argument is for a new reformation among all of the major religions, including Hinduism, which has become increasingly violent). A reformation that promotes peace, and edits out calls for genocide from their holy books.

[tra12345iscool]

easier said than done. we are stuck with religion being violent as we are stuck with humans being violent. their is no way to get around the fact the humans are an awful bunch...unless we all hand in our brains and get lobotomized or something

[SquallCloud]

... or evolve. It's about due, I'd say.

[Aaberg123]

I agree. The vast majority of people are good, but their religions makes them do/think horrible things.

As you said: "Muslims aren't the problem. Islam is the problem".

I, however, go one step further: Dogmatic ideology, political or religious, is the problem!

[puppydog88]

How can you say that Islam is the problem? I am not Muslim, but you can not say that Islam is the problem when it is the people who are the problem. People act as if people of every religion have not done wrong

[Aaberg123]

Being filled with lies, of virgins should you die a martyr, from birth, is most certainly a problem. Religious people compartmentalize and have fantastic degrees of cognitive dissonance.

Rational people, acting rationally, not legitimized by religion, have quite a lower probability of blowing themselves up.

And I didn't single out Muslims. Read the last line I wrote: "Dogmatic ideology, political or religious, is the problem!".

Please respond to what I've said, not what you think I said.

[KataVideo]

"Dogmatic ideology, political or religious, is the problem!"

that's the problem with the teabaggers.

[laleeloolelo]

Here's my respond.

Do you also feel the same way with people of other religions?

[Aaberg123]

Obviously.

You have the rapture-ready people in the US, who would see a silver lining in a mushroom cloud over Manhattan, for instance.

Take pre-Enlightenment Christianity: Just as bad as hardcore Islam is today; but Islam was never dragged through this moderating process, hence it's more obvious how dangerous and deprived their teachings are.

That, however, doesn't change the fact that they are equally nonsensical and potentially dangerous: It's all down to dogmatic beliefs, one way or another.

[PaulCynic]

Aaberg123, finally someone talking some sense in this thread. Thank you for not acting a petulant fool, pretending that there isn't a specific problem with radical Islam in the West.

[Aaberg123]

I'm generally a guy of the liberal (US lib) persuasion, but I don't know why liberals in general are so careful with standing up to what is essentially a totalitarian, fascist belief-system. Be it Islam, Christianity, , Nazism or Communism (in it's applied form). We need to fight these dogmatic, often evidence-free beliefs, with liberty, free speech and humanistic philosophy.

Well, that's the plan anyways.

[ArchNME]

@Aaberg123 I completely agree. The thing is though, that women is evangelical-fascist and what she's trying to do here is stir up fear and hatred in order to grab power. I'm not a big fan of Judaism either but I wouldn't be taking Hitlers side against it.

[thewandererone]

@Aaberg123 May I as why did you opt-out the Cult called Judaism??????

[Aaberg123]

@thewandererone

May I ask why I should include it, when I'm juxtaposing 2 religions with 2 ideologies (though I made a mere comma mistake)?

Do you have an ulterior agenda clouding your mind?

[nuumskee]

I wouldnt even say Islam is the problem More like Hadith is the problem. U can find all sorts of bafoonery in Hadith that completly contradics Quran. Quran is boring most muslims know no more than 2-4 short verses to pray with but they know tons of Hadith each different or used according to culture which is a recipe for destruction. no wonder Muhammed shunned anyone who tried to write stories about him for fear that pll would lie. boy did he see the writting on the wall or ?

[Aaberg123]

Read my other comments.

The problem isn't the teachings themselves, but the underlying dogmatic thought system, that allows for potentially dangerous ideas to be promoted uncontested.

One thing is that a text promotes horrendous acts, another is that people are unable to object to those ideas, because of their dogmatic beliefs.

For instance, how can you justify a death sentence for someone who changed their mind (apostasy in Islam)? It's absolute lunacy for a victimless crime.

[agenttube007]

cunt!

[Momsincharge]

That's not nice. Try xenophobic bigot because that is what she is, a hate monger and a self important do nothing.