@YourBrainOnReligion Not really, it proves that he loves us because we've sinned against him, which the Bible says that "the wages of sin is death", Romans 6:23. It proves that he loves us in that, while we deserve to die, he provides a way out. All things pointing to the ultimate cure which is for sin itself, "the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord".
@NateWardawg That was one big illogical backflip you did there. God loves us because we sinned against him.......... what? If I punch you in the mouth, are you going to love me? If you tell me not to break your television and I do, are you going to love me?
If god loves us, why did he give us diseases? Of course everyone has to die but it doesn't have to be early, prematurely by way of a deadly and torturous disease. That's simply absurd anyway you slice it.
As the ginger video suggests, the Creator is much smarter than humans.
Of course, this is obvious to anyone that has studied the DNA code. The DNA code contains information on how to build structures that are far more complex than anything designed by humans.
@jakedevon Still beating the same old dead horse? lol. At least you change your equivocation fallacy to an argument of ignorance. I guess that sort of shows you're learning.... sort of.
You are strawmaning my argument. It is not an argument of ignorance. It is well established that the DNA code contains information on how to build structures that are far more complex than anything built by humans.
@jakedevon Yes, it is an argument of ignorance. Your argument is that because DNA contains information that it had to be created. In other words, "I'm too ignorant to the advances of science to comprehend how proteins, DNA, RNA and even entire cells can be created with nothing beyond natural laws of the universe."
What I said couldn't be a strawman - I didn't say what your views were at all Captain Stupid.
@jakedevon Dude are you completely RETARDED? A strawman is misrepresenting someones views. EXAMPLE: "Christians stick gold coins up their butt to get closer to god as instructed to by the bible" That is FALSE so it is a STRAWMAN. Calling your argument out on the fallacy it is, if ANYTHING, would be a MISCLASSIFICATION, not a STRAWMAN. If you're going to call people out on fallacies, at least understand what the fuck they are.
You're a the biggest atheist billboard and don't even know it.
Your argument *IS* of ignorance because you are ignorant of ALL biology. I have explained to you a thousand times how DNA evolved to become what we know it today over billions of years starting with simple proteins, amino acids and fatty acids. You refuse to acknowledge this information so your argument is one of deliberate and malicious ignorance. Ignoring scientific facts in order to make your argument work doesn't make it a valid argument, it makes you a moron.
"I have explained to you a thousand times how DNA evolved to become what we know it today... starting with simple proteins, amino acids and fatty acids."
The scientific law of biogensis says that life comes from life. People must believe that life came from non-life by blind faith, as you seem to believe.
@jakedevon No the law of biogenesis - as also has been explained to you a thousand times - says that complex life cannot arise from nothing. You're deliberately being stupid yet again. Why are you so comfortable being dumb? It's probably the only thing you're good at, is my guess.
@YourBrainOnReligion If you weren't so ignorant you would know that ALL life is complex, there is no such thing as a "simple" organism. But why confuse a godless troll with scientific facts that defy his religion?
@fellowservant34 Actually, I'm not the ignorant one here. A single-celled organism is considered to be "basic life" in science whereas a mouse is considered "complex life". It is a very well understood distinction in biology. But i guess since you've never taken a biology class in your life, you feel well qualified to tell me how biology works. Is that about right?
@YourBrainOnReligion why don't you go and study nanotechnology then come back and tell me how "simple" or "basic" a single cell is.....you'll find that it's even more complex than the computer you are typing on.
@fellowservant34 Can you not understand how a SINGLE CELL compared to a FULL BLOWN LIFEFORM would be considered "SIMPLE" ? It doesn't mean it is LITERALLY simple, it's a *comparison*. What the fuck is with you brainless christians having such a hard time wrapping your minds around some of the SIMPLEST shit?!
Furthermore, why would ANYONE align themselves with people so clearly stupid?!?! Do you enjoy being told you're a moron, or wtf? I am starting to wonder if u christians LIKE the abuse?
@jakedevon No one ever claimed amino acids were "life" at that stage; only in much later stages. After the amino acids form proteins and these proteins go on to form most of the cells structure and an individual cell which can self-replicate and has a metabolism is considered ALIVE.
Sure it has never been successfully done in a lab start to finish YET, but does that mean because the wright brothers never went to the moon, that its simply impossible? Same damn thing here.
@jakedevon Alright fuck you jake. I've about had enough of you overlooking the key shit and just vomitting stupidity all over my screen. God you're such a fucking moron. You quote mine to make your own fucking point up out of thin air. Let's examine the entire sentence, shall we, you fucking MORON?
"Sure it has never been successfully done in a lab start to finish YET, but does that mean because the wright brothers never went to the moon, that its simply impossible? Same damn thing here."
@YourBrainOnReligion Jake is like one of those really fat people who, after being told by their doctor that they've made bad choices and could really benefit from lifestyle changes like a better diet and plenty of exercise..
instead just buys a muumuu so he can continue to stuff his face with Junk Food.
" Mmmmm.. it's my position that these fucking eclairs are delicious.. and as every fat.. errr I mean knowledgeable person knows, eclairs can't create themselves.."
@SofaKingLoaded He's going to completely stupid for the rest of his life I'd guess. Somehow he thinks this is an attractive quality to his god. If god *does* exist, he's the last person on the planet god would want to spend an eternity with. Could you imagine spending FOREVER with a narcissistic buttplug like him? He'd probably get on GOD'S nerves.
I know I'd instantly hop on the express escalator down to hell to avoid such everlasting torture.
@YourBrainOnReligion "obvious to anyone that has studied the DNA code.." oh shit.. does he think that scientists are hard at work trying to "decipher" DNA? Any geneticist or scientist that actually DOES 'study' DNA would be the first to tell you that any "code" or "information" in DNA is ascribed to it and not meant in the literal layman's terms.. they abuse it in the same way they abuse the word "theory".. it's always an argument from ignorance.
It's chemistry and molecular structure and in no way implies an underlying intelligence.. DNA is no more a Code than Benzine.. or friggin H2O for that matter.. not being able to discern between attempts at explanation and actual physical properties and laws is tantamount to confusing Fantasy and Reality..
@SofaKingLoaded Yep but he deliberately dodges the obvious question "Is water a code?" because he consciously realizes how absurd his own arguments are. I think he is actually waking up but is probably in a situation where maybe he probably still lives with his parents and they have the iron fist on his faith. Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least a little... :P
@YourBrainOnReligion The DNA as code nonsense is one of the most annoying creationist talking points.. it's just so wrong, just so awful but has an intuitive appeal to those with a religious agenda and no meaningful understanding of chemistry and biology..
"Men take the words they find in use amongst their neighbours; and that they may not seem ignorant what they stand for, use them confidently, without much troubling their heads about a certain fixed meaning; whereby, besides the ease of it, they obtain this advantage, That, as in such discourses they seldom are in the right, so they are as seldom to be convinced that they are in the wrong"
@jakedevon Therefor Daniel killed the Lion.. gotcha. I understand that creationists believe that DNA is literal code that contains information. And I understand that geneticists, biologists, scientists and those who understand the chemistry involved do not.
@jakedevon J.Craig Venter is arguably the most knowledgeable human alive on the planet on the subject.. maybe you can explain to him why he's wrong when he explains how laypeople misconstrue "code" as pertains to D.N.A..
Although, as I'm sure you know, he has been rather busy as of late..
@jakedevon Says me? Christ on a cracker YourbrainOnReligion is !00% correct.. you are fucking retarded.
Hmmm.. a man widely regarded as one of the leading scientists of the 21st Century for his contributions to genomic research, first to sequence the human genome and over 300 other organisms from flies to rats to dogs.. author of more than 200 research articles and one of the most cited scientists on the planet.. .created the first cell with a synthetic genome.. 2008 National Medal of Science
I've no doubt that you can find a person of note that agrees with you. Just because you and he says that the DNA code is not a code, that doesn't make it a code.
I'm sure that we can both pull out names for our side. But fallacies of authority would not help either of our arguments.
I can point to the information within the DNA code. You have your fallacy of authority. So, so far, I'm winning.
@jakedevon God damn is there no end to your retardation? Appeal to authority is "all scientists know this..." - calling out an individual who is the top-notch expert in that field is not a fallacy. What the FUCK do you think happens in a court room? They call an EXPERT.
You just don't care if your matter argument is valid or not do you? You're just going to keep repeating it until you die, regardless of how many people explain to you that its invalid and based in ignorance?
"You just don't care if you matter argument is valid or not do you?"
If someone can show that matter is able to create itself, then I'll abandon science altogether. Until then, I'll stick with science and leave the fairy tales to the evolutionists.
@jakedevon "If someone can show that matter is able to create itself, " What you should be asking is if someone can show you that matter NEEDS TO BE CREATED. I still can't figure out if you're just being stubborn or are genuinely this stupid. Can you please tell me which it is? I'd have 1000x more respect for you if you are just being stubborn (for reasons I cannot fathom myself).
"What you should be asking is if someone can show you that matter NEEDS TO BE CREATED."
That's been done. As I've already said, since matter can't create itself, and matter exists, then it is apparent that something created the matter. If a building never existed, then it doesn't need a builder.
@jakedevon "That's been done. " When, where and by whom? I'm talking actual physical observations and repeatable experiments. I'm not talking your illogical argument based on a 7-layer-dip of fallacies. I'm talking real empirical evidence.
Do you ever get tired of repeating yourself too? I'm honestly starting to not even read your comments in full anymore. You're like a child who just learned their first full sentence and can't help but show it off like a brand new toy.
@YourBrainOnReligion Hehe.. "and as I've already said.." Man.. this guy is just painful.. Brain, if by some freak accident or blunt head trauma I find religion and it does to me what it's done to this dolt, please, please I beg of you.. shoot me in the fucking head immediately..
@jakedevon Agrees with me? What the fuck are you talking about? This is not about "sides".. it's about what's correct and what is not. A person of note? Again, what the hell is wrong with you? Name one scientist even remotely in the same stratosphere as Venter that parrots that absurdity..
You embody one of the most loathsome aspects of religious indoctrination.. the belief that your Faith puts you on equal and even superior footing to your intellectual and academic superiors..
Yep Jake, every time you encounter someone with more knowledge of a subject than you just scream "fallacy of authority" and if you ever encounter Venter just keep babbling "Information, like matter, can't create itself" over and over ad nauseum whilst clicking your heels together 3 times..
@jakedevon What is it that you've won exactly Jake? A simplistic, childlike and factually incorrect understanding of a subject motivated by a religious agenda that apparently also prohibits any attempt at understanding what the very best experts on that very subject have to say?
That works for me... I like you right where you are..
@jakedevon Hehe.. you crack me up man.. you're denser than a neutron star. You're the kind of dumbass that would take his car to the flower shop to have the florist work on his transmission because he agreed with the florist's philosophical position on transmissions..
Religious Fundy's and Apologetic Charletans..
or
Actual Geneticists, Chemists, Molecular Biologists,Scientists and bona fide Experts in Genomics.. (or "evolutionists" to you I reckon)
@jakedevon Now it's obvious that you keep yourself abreast of the very latest, cutting edge developments in Genetics and Genomic research and follow the progress and work done by ProtoLife, Scripps Research and the Venter Institute in order to stay relevant and informed.. So you're no doubt aware that the artificial genome created for the first self replicating organism created in a lab actually DOES contain information..
@jakedevon ..yet succinctly illustrates how full of shit you actually are and deftly coaxes your utter inability to to address simple questions on what "information" in DNA actually is.. the very subject that you doggedly profess a greater understanding of than the leading scientists currently working in the field..
Several times now you've clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what fallacy of authority actually is..
That fallacy, like your "code".. exists only in your imagination..
I see that you are reduced to merely personal attacks again.
Then I'll just point to the information contained within the DNA code, and you can point to your fallacy of authority.
You see, Sofa, the DNA code contains information on structures that are far more complex than anything designed by humans. Structures like the human heart, brain, and nervous system.
Information, like matter, can't create itself.
I'm waiting for your next red herring or fallacy or personal attack, Sofa
You see, Jake the Code contained in the artificial genome of the first man self replicating life form clearly shows that you're completely full of shit...
If you are asking about the information contained within the DNA code, then I've already answered that multiple times.
But, here it is again: The DNA code contains information on structures that are far more complex than anything built by humans. Structures like the human heart, brain, and nervous system.
Let me know if you still don't understand, Sofa.
And if your arguments held any water, then you wouldn't need so very many personal attacks.
@jakedevon I see you've retreated behind the Fallacy of Incessant Repetitive Gibberish..
While I can simply point to the Code contained in the artificial genome of the first man made self replicating life form that clearly shows that you're completely fucking retarded..
It is still a red herring to the conversation, but, okay, I'll bite.
Is it your position that this supposedly man made life form was created from base material and brought to life? Or do you think that this is merely some kind of genetic manipulation?
@jakedevon No Jake I just asked you a simple question that anyone such as yourself that keeps current on cutting edge developments in Genomic research would easily know.. the artificial genome created at the Venter Institute contains very straight forward information.. actual information inserted by the designers, not the layman's sloppy and erroneous interpretation of it.
What is it and how does it differ from what you perceive as "information" in DNA?
I think that what you are saying is that the supposed artificial genome contains a real code and natural DNA code is not a code.
Is that what you are saying?
(Also, you didn't answer my question: Is it your position that this supposedly man made life form was created from base material and brought to life, or is this merely some kind of genetic manipulation?)
Exactly, the cures for sickness is found in nature. Because the Creator is the redeemer and the restorer of all things. The Godless love to find these cures then pretend they invented them. Often even hiding the fact that they have a natural source. For the Godless world it's all about self worship. Saving them selves by their own works and relying on the we're (evolving) myth.
Berean, you're down to the urban myth/anecdotal evidence level of the National Enquirer as your "science, falsely so-called." If you want to do this, it's your freedom, and I totally support that, but you are making Christianity even more of a mockery than it's already become.
@NateWardawg More than 75% now are synthetic in a nother 3 years they say they will have nearly all medicine synthetic that is their plan.Most of those plants are very rare and expensive they are trying to make them synthetic to save money.But the meds dont work as well as natural.
@NateWardawg It's an unreasonable discussion to ask the very question that is begging to be answered? If god loves us why did he give us syphilis, AIDS, cancer, small pox, eboli, etc? That is a very reasonable discussion to have.
@YourBrainOnReligion You're assuming God "gave" these to us. It's like saying, why did a parent give their child a hot stove to put their hand on after they were told not to touch it. Most STD's are almost 100% preventable. You need to sleep with the person your married to and nobody else.. and be married to the opposite sex (have to say that one nowadays too, haha). Other STD's are contracted through drug use which the Bible forbids too. Ignoring God's warning is the root of the problem :)
@NateWardawg "god" did GIVE us these. Jesus himself says in Isaiah 45:7:
"I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things."
No the hot stove analogy is absolutely incorrect because you don't CHOOSE to get small pox, but you DO choose to put your hand on the stove. I was not talking about ONLY STD's either. I also included CANCER, SMALL POX, ECOLI, etc. If god created EVERYTHING, OBVIOUSLY he had to create DISEASES. DUH!?
Fuck creationmoments! Fuck you!
Hellsconsort 5 months ago
Brilliant video again brother.
Like the title.
jamesglory1 1 year ago
This is the most asinine arguments I've heard on creation moments yet.
"God gave us medicine in advance so this proves he's a loving creator."
If god was a loving creator, why did he create cancer? Why should people NEED medicine to not feel nausea from chemotherapy? DUH!?!?!?!
Absolutely ABSURD.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago 2
@YourBrainOnReligion Not really, it proves that he loves us because we've sinned against him, which the Bible says that "the wages of sin is death", Romans 6:23. It proves that he loves us in that, while we deserve to die, he provides a way out. All things pointing to the ultimate cure which is for sin itself, "the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord".
NateWardawg 1 year ago
@NateWardawg That was one big illogical backflip you did there. God loves us because we sinned against him.......... what? If I punch you in the mouth, are you going to love me? If you tell me not to break your television and I do, are you going to love me?
If god loves us, why did he give us diseases? Of course everyone has to die but it doesn't have to be early, prematurely by way of a deadly and torturous disease. That's simply absurd anyway you slice it.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
As the ginger video suggests, the Creator is much smarter than humans.
Of course, this is obvious to anyone that has studied the DNA code. The DNA code contains information on how to build structures that are far more complex than anything designed by humans.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Still beating the same old dead horse? lol. At least you change your equivocation fallacy to an argument of ignorance. I guess that sort of shows you're learning.... sort of.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
That horse is very much alive.
You are strawmaning my argument. It is not an argument of ignorance. It is well established that the DNA code contains information on how to build structures that are far more complex than anything built by humans.
You got anything besides strawmen for your side?
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Yes, it is an argument of ignorance. Your argument is that because DNA contains information that it had to be created. In other words, "I'm too ignorant to the advances of science to comprehend how proteins, DNA, RNA and even entire cells can be created with nothing beyond natural laws of the universe."
What I said couldn't be a strawman - I didn't say what your views were at all Captain Stupid.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago 2
@YourBrainOnReligion
"Yes, it is an argument of ignorance."
Strawman.
My argument is one of knowledge. Complex codes need a writer.
But I am sure that any reader who happens by can see right through your strawmen and personal attacks, Brent.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Dude are you completely RETARDED? A strawman is misrepresenting someones views. EXAMPLE: "Christians stick gold coins up their butt to get closer to god as instructed to by the bible" That is FALSE so it is a STRAWMAN. Calling your argument out on the fallacy it is, if ANYTHING, would be a MISCLASSIFICATION, not a STRAWMAN. If you're going to call people out on fallacies, at least understand what the fuck they are.
You're a the biggest atheist billboard and don't even know it.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago 2
@YourBrainOnReligion
If you are saying that my argument is one of ignorance, then you are strawmaning my argument. My argument is not one of ignorance.
I am sure that our readers can see right through your strawmen and personal attacks, Brent.
jakedevon 1 year ago
Your argument *IS* of ignorance because you are ignorant of ALL biology. I have explained to you a thousand times how DNA evolved to become what we know it today over billions of years starting with simple proteins, amino acids and fatty acids. You refuse to acknowledge this information so your argument is one of deliberate and malicious ignorance. Ignoring scientific facts in order to make your argument work doesn't make it a valid argument, it makes you a moron.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago 2
@YourBrainOnReligion
"Your argument *IS* of ignorance..."
Strawman. My argument is one of knowledge.
"I have explained to you a thousand times how DNA evolved to become what we know it today... starting with simple proteins, amino acids and fatty acids."
The scientific law of biogensis says that life comes from life. People must believe that life came from non-life by blind faith, as you seem to believe.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon No the law of biogenesis - as also has been explained to you a thousand times - says that complex life cannot arise from nothing. You're deliberately being stupid yet again. Why are you so comfortable being dumb? It's probably the only thing you're good at, is my guess.
Back on ignore you go.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago 2
@YourBrainOnReligion If you weren't so ignorant you would know that ALL life is complex, there is no such thing as a "simple" organism. But why confuse a godless troll with scientific facts that defy his religion?
fellowservant34 1 year ago
@fellowservant34 Actually, I'm not the ignorant one here. A single-celled organism is considered to be "basic life" in science whereas a mouse is considered "complex life". It is a very well understood distinction in biology. But i guess since you've never taken a biology class in your life, you feel well qualified to tell me how biology works. Is that about right?
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion why don't you go and study nanotechnology then come back and tell me how "simple" or "basic" a single cell is.....you'll find that it's even more complex than the computer you are typing on.
fellowservant34 1 year ago
@fellowservant34 Can you not understand how a SINGLE CELL compared to a FULL BLOWN LIFEFORM would be considered "SIMPLE" ? It doesn't mean it is LITERALLY simple, it's a *comparison*. What the fuck is with you brainless christians having such a hard time wrapping your minds around some of the SIMPLEST shit?!
Furthermore, why would ANYONE align themselves with people so clearly stupid?!?! Do you enjoy being told you're a moron, or wtf? I am starting to wonder if u christians LIKE the abuse?
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago 4
@YourBrainOnReligion
The law of biogenesis says that life comes from life.
If you know of some real evidence that shows that life comes from non-life, then please show it.
Or, more likely, you'll just post some more personal attacks.
You don't even seem to know that ALL life is complex.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Sure, I can do that. First, answer a question:
Are carbon-based, organic molecules the building blocks of lifeforms?
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
Amino acids are the basic building blocks of life. The are not life, however.
I look forward to laughing at your supposed example of life from non-life. Please proceed.
"...a mouse is considered to be "complex life"."
You really don't consider a single-celled organism to be complex?
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon No one ever claimed amino acids were "life" at that stage; only in much later stages. After the amino acids form proteins and these proteins go on to form most of the cells structure and an individual cell which can self-replicate and has a metabolism is considered ALIVE.
Sure it has never been successfully done in a lab start to finish YET, but does that mean because the wright brothers never went to the moon, that its simply impossible? Same damn thing here.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
"Sure it has never been successfully done in a lab start to finish YET,"
So you are admitting that you don't know of any example for your assertion.
"Sure, I can do that."
Your above statement says that you can't.
I win again. Life comes from life.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Alright fuck you jake. I've about had enough of you overlooking the key shit and just vomitting stupidity all over my screen. God you're such a fucking moron. You quote mine to make your own fucking point up out of thin air. Let's examine the entire sentence, shall we, you fucking MORON?
"Sure it has never been successfully done in a lab start to finish YET, but does that mean because the wright brothers never went to the moon, that its simply impossible? Same damn thing here."
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
You do know that the Wright brothers never went to the moon, don't you?
Just as nobody has ever made life in the lab.
Perhaps you should just stick with personal attacks, Brent. Because you failed to give any example or evidence for life coming from non-life.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Jake is like one of those really fat people who, after being told by their doctor that they've made bad choices and could really benefit from lifestyle changes like a better diet and plenty of exercise..
instead just buys a muumuu so he can continue to stuff his face with Junk Food.
" Mmmmm.. it's my position that these fucking eclairs are delicious.. and as every fat.. errr I mean knowledgeable person knows, eclairs can't create themselves.."
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded He's going to completely stupid for the rest of his life I'd guess. Somehow he thinks this is an attractive quality to his god. If god *does* exist, he's the last person on the planet god would want to spend an eternity with. Could you imagine spending FOREVER with a narcissistic buttplug like him? He'd probably get on GOD'S nerves.
I know I'd instantly hop on the express escalator down to hell to avoid such everlasting torture.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Code..information..mind..blueprint..code..information..
Repeat until brain has a tapioca consistency..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
"If god *does* exist,"
You've no reason to wonder that, Brent.
Absolute proof for a Creator is the existence of matter.
Since matter can't create itself, then something must have made the matter.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion "obvious to anyone that has studied the DNA code.." oh shit.. does he think that scientists are hard at work trying to "decipher" DNA? Any geneticist or scientist that actually DOES 'study' DNA would be the first to tell you that any "code" or "information" in DNA is ascribed to it and not meant in the literal layman's terms.. they abuse it in the same way they abuse the word "theory".. it's always an argument from ignorance.
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
It's chemistry and molecular structure and in no way implies an underlying intelligence.. DNA is no more a Code than Benzine.. or friggin H2O for that matter.. not being able to discern between attempts at explanation and actual physical properties and laws is tantamount to confusing Fantasy and Reality..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded Yep but he deliberately dodges the obvious question "Is water a code?" because he consciously realizes how absurd his own arguments are. I think he is actually waking up but is probably in a situation where maybe he probably still lives with his parents and they have the iron fist on his faith. Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least a little... :P
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Dude it's just so fucking goofy..
"Matter maker, matter maker, make a Man..
Make Life from Non Life as fast as you can..
Roll it, Pat it, mark it with a 'G'..
These Nuts think its Real you see.."
Children..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
Live comes from life. Every time.
It is so well known that life comes from life, that it is a scientific law: the law of biogenesis.
Also, something must have made the matter, because matter can't create itself. It really is that simple, Sofa.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
Live comes from life. Every time.
It is so well known that life comes from life, that it is a scientific law: the law of biogenesis.
Also, something must have made the matter, because matter can't create itself. It really is that simple, Sofa.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded ROFLLLLLLL
But non-life can't come from life! I mean... wait.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion The DNA as code nonsense is one of the most annoying creationist talking points.. it's just so wrong, just so awful but has an intuitive appeal to those with a religious agenda and no meaningful understanding of chemistry and biology..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
"Men take the words they find in use amongst their neighbours; and that they may not seem ignorant what they stand for, use them confidently, without much troubling their heads about a certain fixed meaning; whereby, besides the ease of it, they obtain this advantage, That, as in such discourses they seldom are in the right, so they are as seldom to be convinced that they are in the wrong"
-Locke
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
The reason that creationists tend to believe that the DNA code is a code is because of the information that is in the code.
Information, like matter, can't create itself.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Therefor Daniel killed the Lion.. gotcha. I understand that creationists believe that DNA is literal code that contains information. And I understand that geneticists, biologists, scientists and those who understand the chemistry involved do not.
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
"And I understand that geneticists, biologists, scientists and those who understand the chemistry involved do not."
Says you.
I know that geneticists, biologists, and scientists and those who understand the chemistry of the DNA code know that the DNA code is a code.
After all, the reason that knowledgeable people tend to believe that the DNA code is a code is because of the information that is in the code.
Information, like matter, can't create itself.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon J.Craig Venter is arguably the most knowledgeable human alive on the planet on the subject.. maybe you can explain to him why he's wrong when he explains how laypeople misconstrue "code" as pertains to D.N.A..
Although, as I'm sure you know, he has been rather busy as of late..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
"J.Craig Venter is arguably..."
Says you.
It's my position that the DNA code is a code. I can always point to the information contained in the DNA code as evidence.
You seem to rely on fallacies for your side.
Information, like matter, can't create itself.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Says me? Christ on a cracker YourbrainOnReligion is !00% correct.. you are fucking retarded.
Hmmm.. a man widely regarded as one of the leading scientists of the 21st Century for his contributions to genomic research, first to sequence the human genome and over 300 other organisms from flies to rats to dogs.. author of more than 200 research articles and one of the most cited scientists on the planet.. .created the first cell with a synthetic genome.. 2008 National Medal of Science
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
winner.. Time magazine's list of 100 most influential people two years in a row..
Or some religious boob on Ewetoob.. yeah, that's a tough call.
You're seriously the poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
I've no doubt that you can find a person of note that agrees with you. Just because you and he says that the DNA code is not a code, that doesn't make it a code.
I'm sure that we can both pull out names for our side. But fallacies of authority would not help either of our arguments.
I can point to the information within the DNA code. You have your fallacy of authority. So, so far, I'm winning.
Information, like matter, can't create itself.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon God damn is there no end to your retardation? Appeal to authority is "all scientists know this..." - calling out an individual who is the top-notch expert in that field is not a fallacy. What the FUCK do you think happens in a court room? They call an EXPERT.
You just don't care if your matter argument is valid or not do you? You're just going to keep repeating it until you die, regardless of how many people explain to you that its invalid and based in ignorance?
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Of course he doesn't.. it's the Talking Point itself that matters..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
"You just don't care if you matter argument is valid or not do you?"
If someone can show that matter is able to create itself, then I'll abandon science altogether. Until then, I'll stick with science and leave the fairy tales to the evolutionists.
jakedevon 1 year ago
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@jakedevon "If someone can show that matter is able to create itself, " What you should be asking is if someone can show you that matter NEEDS TO BE CREATED. I still can't figure out if you're just being stubborn or are genuinely this stupid. Can you please tell me which it is? I'd have 1000x more respect for you if you are just being stubborn (for reasons I cannot fathom myself).
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
"What you should be asking is if someone can show you that matter NEEDS TO BE CREATED."
That's been done. As I've already said, since matter can't create itself, and matter exists, then it is apparent that something created the matter. If a building never existed, then it doesn't need a builder.
Let me know if you still don't understand, Brent.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon "That's been done. " When, where and by whom? I'm talking actual physical observations and repeatable experiments. I'm not talking your illogical argument based on a 7-layer-dip of fallacies. I'm talking real empirical evidence.
Do you ever get tired of repeating yourself too? I'm honestly starting to not even read your comments in full anymore. You're like a child who just learned their first full sentence and can't help but show it off like a brand new toy.
Child of god? oic
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Hehe.. "and as I've already said.." Man.. this guy is just painful.. Brain, if by some freak accident or blunt head trauma I find religion and it does to me what it's done to this dolt, please, please I beg of you.. shoot me in the fucking head immediately..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
"I'm talking actual physical observations and repeatable experiments."
In other words, you are going to believe that matter can create itself until somebody shows you otherwise?
If so, then that may be the funniest thing that you've said so far, Brent.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Does this muumuu make me look stupid?
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded I personally think it makes you look delectable!
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@jakedevon Agrees with me? What the fuck are you talking about? This is not about "sides".. it's about what's correct and what is not. A person of note? Again, what the hell is wrong with you? Name one scientist even remotely in the same stratosphere as Venter that parrots that absurdity..
You embody one of the most loathsome aspects of religious indoctrination.. the belief that your Faith puts you on equal and even superior footing to your intellectual and academic superiors..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
"Name one scientist that even remotely in the same stratosphere as Venter..."
Unlike you it seems, I try real hard to stay away from the fallacy of authority.
Just because you and he say that the DNA code is not a code, that doesn't make it so.
I can point to the information within the DNA code and you have your fallacy of authority. So, so far, I'm winning.
Information, like matter, can't create itself.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Translation.. "I can't name ONE..
Yep Jake, every time you encounter someone with more knowledge of a subject than you just scream "fallacy of authority" and if you ever encounter Venter just keep babbling "Information, like matter, can't create itself" over and over ad nauseum whilst clicking your heels together 3 times..
I'm sure he'll be impressed..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
"Translation.. "I can't name ONE..""
Strawman. That is not my position.
I see no reason to commit the same fallacy of authority with which you seem to be relying.
As I said, just because you and he say that the DNA code is not a code, that doesn't make it so.
I can point to the info within the DNA code and you have your fallacy of authority. So, so far, I'm winning.
Information, like matter, can't create itself.
You could always use personal attacks, like Brent.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon What is it that you've won exactly Jake? A simplistic, childlike and factually incorrect understanding of a subject motivated by a religious agenda that apparently also prohibits any attempt at understanding what the very best experts on that very subject have to say?
That works for me... I like you right where you are..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
"What is it that you've won exactly Jake?"
I didn't say that I had won, Sofa. I said that I was winning.
I have actual evidence for my claims. And, so far, you have a fallacy for your side.
"I like you right where you are.."
Me too! I don't have to depend on fallacies for my side. I leave the fairy tales to the evolutionists.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Hehe.. you crack me up man.. you're denser than a neutron star. You're the kind of dumbass that would take his car to the flower shop to have the florist work on his transmission because he agreed with the florist's philosophical position on transmissions..
Religious Fundy's and Apologetic Charletans..
or
Actual Geneticists, Chemists, Molecular Biologists,Scientists and bona fide Experts in Genomics.. (or "evolutionists" to you I reckon)
Again, it's a really, really tough call
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
"..you're denser than a neutron star."
Retreating to personal attacks, I see. Have you already given up on fallacies?
I can point to the information within the DNA code, and you can stick with your fallacy of authority.
As I said, so far, I'm winning. Information, like matter, can't create itself.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Now it's obvious that you keep yourself abreast of the very latest, cutting edge developments in Genetics and Genomic research and follow the progress and work done by ProtoLife, Scripps Research and the Venter Institute in order to stay relevant and informed.. So you're no doubt aware that the artificial genome created for the first self replicating organism created in a lab actually DOES contain information..
So..
What is it?
How is it different ?
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
What exactly do you think that the so-called artificial genome proves?
jakedevon 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
Also, nice red herring, Sofa.
That really takes attention away from your fallacy of authority.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon ..yet succinctly illustrates how full of shit you actually are and deftly coaxes your utter inability to to address simple questions on what "information" in DNA actually is.. the very subject that you doggedly profess a greater understanding of than the leading scientists currently working in the field..
Several times now you've clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what fallacy of authority actually is..
That fallacy, like your "code".. exists only in your imagination..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
I see that you are reduced to merely personal attacks again.
Then I'll just point to the information contained within the DNA code, and you can point to your fallacy of authority.
You see, Sofa, the DNA code contains information on structures that are far more complex than anything designed by humans. Structures like the human heart, brain, and nervous system.
Information, like matter, can't create itself.
I'm waiting for your next red herring or fallacy or personal attack, Sofa
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon Ha!
You have no idea of what I'm even talking about....
Do you?
You're a fucking Joke jakedevon..
Answer the questions you pussy...
If you are able..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
You see, Jake the Code contained in the artificial genome of the first man self replicating life form clearly shows that you're completely full of shit...
And you don't even know what it is..
Ha!
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
If you are asking about the information contained within the DNA code, then I've already answered that multiple times.
But, here it is again: The DNA code contains information on structures that are far more complex than anything built by humans. Structures like the human heart, brain, and nervous system.
Let me know if you still don't understand, Sofa.
And if your arguments held any water, then you wouldn't need so very many personal attacks.
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon I see you've retreated behind the Fallacy of Incessant Repetitive Gibberish..
While I can simply point to the Code contained in the artificial genome of the first man made self replicating life form that clearly shows that you're completely fucking retarded..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
It is still a red herring to the conversation, but, okay, I'll bite.
Is it your position that this supposedly man made life form was created from base material and brought to life? Or do you think that this is merely some kind of genetic manipulation?
jakedevon 1 year ago
@jakedevon No Jake I just asked you a simple question that anyone such as yourself that keeps current on cutting edge developments in Genomic research would easily know.. the artificial genome created at the Venter Institute contains very straight forward information.. actual information inserted by the designers, not the layman's sloppy and erroneous interpretation of it.
What is it and how does it differ from what you perceive as "information" in DNA?
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
Hint: it has nothing to do with and in no way affects the organisms ability to replicate itself..
Because THAT has nothing to do with "code" or "information" and everything to do with chemistry and molecular structure..
SofaKingLoaded 1 year ago
@SofaKingLoaded
I think that what you are saying is that the supposed artificial genome contains a real code and natural DNA code is not a code.
Is that what you are saying?
(Also, you didn't answer my question: Is it your position that this supposedly man made life form was created from base material and brought to life, or is this merely some kind of genetic manipulation?)
jakedevon 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion
No, water is not a code.
Water doesn't contain the blueprints of structures that are far more complex than anything built by humans.
The DNA code, on the other hand, does.
jakedevon 1 year ago
Exactly, the cures for sickness is found in nature. Because the Creator is the redeemer and the restorer of all things. The Godless love to find these cures then pretend they invented them. Often even hiding the fact that they have a natural source. For the Godless world it's all about self worship. Saving them selves by their own works and relying on the we're (evolving) myth.
Howie47 1 year ago
@Howie47 Why would he make you sick to begin with? And more importantly, how does this obvious question elude your mind?
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnCharliesPoop: Your Momma told you not to eat your poop. But you insisted and got sick. How does that obvious answer elude your heart?
Howie47 1 year ago
Berean, you're down to the urban myth/anecdotal evidence level of the National Enquirer as your "science, falsely so-called." If you want to do this, it's your freedom, and I totally support that, but you are making Christianity even more of a mockery than it's already become.
ChurchOfKali66619 1 year ago
@ChurchOfKali66619
lol, ok mr wiccan. Next time try to present a decent argument.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@ChurchOfKali66619
Your argument is very weak seeing that many prescription drugs actually come from plants.
NateWardawg 1 year ago
@NateWardawg More than 75% now are synthetic in a nother 3 years they say they will have nearly all medicine synthetic that is their plan.Most of those plants are very rare and expensive they are trying to make them synthetic to save money.But the meds dont work as well as natural.
korzon 1 year ago
@NateWardawg He isnt arguing he is just a satanist just here to cause trouble.
korzon 1 year ago
@korzon Thanks Korzon for the info, I wish people would make comments to engage a reasonable discussion instead of stirring up trouble, haha
NateWardawg 1 year ago
@NateWardawg It's an unreasonable discussion to ask the very question that is begging to be answered? If god loves us why did he give us syphilis, AIDS, cancer, small pox, eboli, etc? That is a very reasonable discussion to have.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
@YourBrainOnReligion You're assuming God "gave" these to us. It's like saying, why did a parent give their child a hot stove to put their hand on after they were told not to touch it. Most STD's are almost 100% preventable. You need to sleep with the person your married to and nobody else.. and be married to the opposite sex (have to say that one nowadays too, haha). Other STD's are contracted through drug use which the Bible forbids too. Ignoring God's warning is the root of the problem :)
NateWardawg 1 year ago
@NateWardawg "god" did GIVE us these. Jesus himself says in Isaiah 45:7:
"I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things."
No the hot stove analogy is absolutely incorrect because you don't CHOOSE to get small pox, but you DO choose to put your hand on the stove. I was not talking about ONLY STD's either. I also included CANCER, SMALL POX, ECOLI, etc. If god created EVERYTHING, OBVIOUSLY he had to create DISEASES. DUH!?
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago