Micron RealSSD C300 vs. HDD—Everyday Tasks

[Infinitera1n]

thats fast.

[stefanschroen1994]

what background is that? or what theme did you use?

[nanashi1o3]

by the time a 250gb ssd is the same price as a basic hdd there will be something out there thats going to be faster than the ssd

[UltraVert]

@nanashi1o3

The pci-e drives (although still ssd) are already much faster (than the sata variant), cost a lot more too. There is one that's a 2 terabyte pci-e enterprise grade ssd out that costs 8 thousand dollars o.0

[nanashi1o3]

@UltraVert yeah ive seen that its really crazy

[S0rr0w93]

I know these things are fast and all but I wouldnt pay £400 (average) for 250GB of faster boot, loading, etc (when tbf HDD's are fine, so what if its a few seconds saved) when you can get a standard HDD of that capacity for an average of £20. Thats £380 odd more just to save a few seconds :/

[jjd721]

u need to be careful with ssd's because they only have a small amount of read/write times. a commercial ssd is about 3000 read/writes that means it can read and write 3000 times after that failure is 100% possible (u can lose all or some data).

[gunxpected]

@jjd721 That's not really true. The number is more like 10000 write-erase cycles. For a 64gb SSD that would mean you can write 640TB on it. Which would be equal to writing 64Gb/day for more then 25 years. Now I don't know about you but I don't even have HDD's in use that are older then 10 years... let alone 25. Even with 3000 it would still be 8 years.

[Cr381v3]

what about copying something from ssd to hdd.. do you have to copy from ssd to ssd to experience this speed?

[DCUPtoejuice]

i just found out you can drop files on a program shortcut. Only took 15 years to realize.

[mswindowsinside]

@DCUPtoejuice really? even i knew it

[jpcwa74]

There is faster than even the revo drive.

[jpcwa74]

This is like comparing broadband with dialup. lol

[iXW1X]

Micron?!?

CRUCIAL!!!

[donconco]

Despite the fact that the average SSD might be 2x faster than a standard 7200rpm HDD, that still doesn't justify paying 18x more for the same capacity :P

Guess I have to wait another 5 years or so until a 1TB SSD costs $100...

[7lightsaber69]

@donconco lol do they even make a 1T SSD i never seen 1 250 for a 125G or so SSD sata 3 isn't to bad expecially if u only use it for windows and have other hardrivers for porn games and shit like that

[zaboomafia]

I got one for the OS. The files and some programs are on my internal hhd. That works nice for me and it helps with the backup hassle when reloading an OS.

[appleloveTK]

SSD's are not that expensive anymore, I've seen some as cheap as $59.99(CAD), obviously you don't get the same amount of space, and you are paying more per /GB but It's still worth getting, It's probably the most noticeable upgrade you'll ever make...

[cigarjohn42]

Good video. On the 7200 Hard Disks, does the cache size make a difference in performance? I see some hard drives that come in anywhere between 8mb cache to 64mb cache sizes.

[GatecrasherSlim]

my crucial 128gb c300 is proper slow compared to this. boots windows in like 50secs, not 30.

Any ideas where i could have gone wrong guys? I run a PC company so know what im doing. Was installed with AHCI set in bios, intel RST has to be clicked to start after boot though.

[FloppyBaby]

@GatecrasherSlim Probably because you're a faggot

[cocacola443]

@GatecrasherSlim A lot of motherboards take a long time booting with the BIOS before handing over control to the OS...there was another review where someone had installed the C300 in his machine, and he had a 45 second boot time...the first 25 seconds of it was the BIOS booting. How long does your machine spend before you get the Windows splash screen, roughly?

[GatecrasherSlim]

@cocacola443 about 20 seconds roughly. So i should be slating the mobo? Games dont exactly seem to be loading any quicker than usual, despite benchies giving great results.

Odd. I cant be bothered to re-format or risk an update.

[cocacola443]

@GatecrasherSlim Yeah, don't know what to tell ya...sometimes you just have to live with a slow boot.. :-( Weird that games don't seem to load any faster with the C300, though...

[jpcwa74]

@GatecrasherSlim apparently you have something in windows slowing your boot. Go to the startup tab in msconfig. Its good to know too, that f you are using a sata II cable with a sata III drive that will slow you down some too.

[SomaVlog]

god damn!

[Champizfast]

I installed my C300 this weekend and words cannot express how happy I am with my purchase. Outstanding boot time among other things.

[AlexanderA80]

No doubt that ssd is faster than hdd, but everyone wants ssd for real money...

[tingokuman]

whats the point of a sata ssd now days?? unless youre a laptop user most new mobos have an x4 pci free you gets 2x the read write speed of even the quickest sata inter faced drives 50 gb ocz pcie revo drive is 200$

[cocacola443]

@tingokuman A SATA SSD doesn't tie up a PCI-Express slot, for one thing...for those of us with microatx cases, there usually aren't too many extra PCI-E x4 slots lying around...besides these things are crazy expensive....$200 for 50GB? But you do bring up a good point. This Revo drive is CRAZY fast.

[cocacola443]

@tingokuman The other problem with the revo drive (besides high cost and small size, and using a pci-e slot) is that most motherboards have no support for booting from a PCI-E slot, so it's no good as a boot drive, which is kinda sad, even if it is blazing fast. :-(

[tingokuman]

@cocacola443 What mobos are you using ive set up scuzzys revodrives even the old ram cards on old abit and jetway boards even cheap korean mobos.ive never ran into an issue??? im using an asus beta board now no problems and its supposed to have issues.

[cocacola443]

@tingokuman Oh really? And you can boot from them? I was just going off some Newegg reviews....some were complaining that they were unable to boot from the OCZ RevoDrive, but now I see there's a motherboard compatibility list. Thanks for the info...guess it's not as big of a deal as I thought. :-)

[leszken]

Latest smartphones supports "USB host" (i.e. Nokia N8), but does not provide enough electricity to power standard 2,5 HDD.

SSD supposed to consume much less power, so it is possible for you to check this out?

[NeeKroVal]

Will this work in my ps3?

[fsxsimmer20]

@NeeKroVal i have lookin this up for ya, and as long its a laptop it should work. here's a link (-space)

gamespot .com/features/6192258/index.ht­ml

[NeeKroVal]

@fsxsimmer20 lolz @ the comparison chart im not gonna buy a ssd cuz the ps3 controls the speed at which the hard drive reads and writes almost all of the test comparisons are equal or the ssd is faster by a fraction...not worth the price imo and i dont wanna have to transfer my gt5 save and all the hard drive data and wat if it doesn't work? fuckkkk thatttt

[fsxsimmer20]

@NeeKroVal yeah i never thought if that lol

[NeeKroVal]

@fsxsimmer20 and then i relooked at the chart and the ssd is slower than the stock 5400rpm lolz stupid ps3

[26psyside]

Actually the C300 is faster on SATA II then SATA II expect for sequential read speed which is mostly useless in everyday taks, the SATA II (Intel ICH10) shine in 4K random performance segment, which is when you feel the insane speed.

[Schmidteren]

hmmm there s a cruacial ALSO named C300 and sata III?...

I am confused?

[rob3342421]

@Schmidteren i think (and this is a real think moment not know moment) but i think they're the same? cz they're similar specs so i think crucial brought them out or summin

[GamingTheNinja]

@Schmidteren Micron and Crucial are the same company; Crucial is directed towards consumers, Micron is directed towards business and enterprise.

[Sanjinator1]

My bro thinks you're a dumb american LOL

[jarnobot]

SSD are great but way to expensive. I happy with my HDD's.

[badguy66626]

@jarnobot thats what i said before i bought a ssd

[draxaz]

I'm searching SSD advantages working with really LARGE files (video, photo) in aplications. And I really can't find that SSD loads that large files faster than usual 7200 rpm HDD. The same I can see your video- photoshop was loaded faster with SSD, but photos in both desktops were opened at the same time. Also I saw some another tests when opening large files and I can say that I was disappointed. I didn't buy SSD yet only because that I saw those tests... Maybe my eyes are mistaken somewhere ?

[maxaxelpro]

well I don't know what they are trying to show with copying this large amount of files but when I do copy I copy on other drive or usb or what ever device that usaly don't have ssd.

[jw20002]

Hello Justin. Does Microns Warranty cover flash? I purchased a SOLIData 128GB SSD and it failed at 6 months and the seller DVNation will not stand behind the drive and the manufacturer will not repair it either?

I would like to warn everyone about purchasing anything with a buyer beware NEW! Used from an individual I understand. However, DVNAtion sells bogus products and will not stand behind the product!

Welcome to CHINA!

[peaceandmetal88]

The intel SSD's and OCZ's don't hold a candle to Crucial's C300 Sata III write speeds. I'm sure OCZ is probably getting close to releasing a SATA III SSD though soon, if they haven't yet.

[walter0bz]

Could some sort of future RAID or OS use an SSD as a cache for an HDD.

so you'd just logically use your HDD for large capacity, with the system figuring out how to keep both commonly used & temporary files on the SSD ...

[hitssquad]

newegg. com/Product/ProductReview. aspx?Item=N82E16822148591

"Customer Reviews for Seagate Momentus XT ST95005620AS 500GB"

"Price: $134.99"

"This drive cut an absolute garbaged-out mechanical drive's several minute boot time down to about 45 seconds. And once at the desktop, apps load lightning-fast. It can, to a large degree, make a silk purse out of a sow's ear."

[Eragon86micky]

Cool SSD is better that poor HDD lol

[sccerstr09]

wow photoshop is really fast on SSD

[edilee01]

That HD PC booted extremely slow....my 2 year old PC boots twice as fast as that one did with my WD 1T.

[caparn100]

What make/model was the hard disk drive used?

How much cache did it have?

Surely a good hard drive with a large cache would be as fast?

Was the hard disk fragmented?

Don't SSD's have a limited number of write cycles before they become unusable?

Where would you put the swap file?

[ccwork135]

@LFCforEver12341

You don't get my point ;)

[uktech]

I don't know which one to buy now. The 64GB C300 or the 64GB Kingston V series?

[LFCforEver12341]

@uktech c300 hands down.

[DoCWaSaBe]

thats nice, but my wallet hurts guys...

[NickBertke]

@DoCWaSaBe Yeah, these are expensive. I'm buying a MacBook Pro soon, and these C300s are mighty tempting. Argh.

[sladhamster]

Identical systems? Memory test on the left ends later (0:47) while no drives were in play. Looks like the cache and/or memory clock left were tweaked down.

[sokseb]

great comparison

[deejaydein]

Thank you Micron.

[deejaydein]

This SSD really rocks...

[MikeyRGuitar]

how do you change the sata speeds?

[merlozzo]

good SSDs are good and i love'em, but, if

"The C300 drive outperforms every client SSD currently available on the market, " why the fuck didnt you make a comparison with a really good opponent ssd?

[sdhdgasd]

he did...check out the other videos

[BigBadBadger1]

rite i only just thought of this lol but theres a lot of chat about the price of ssd's and if i honest its y i havnt got one. but how much do u spend on a high end cpu lets take the i7 £200-700 a 120-250gb ssd costs £250-500+ now i bet that boot up and loading stuff as well as normal use of a pc will benefit far more from the ssd than the kick ass cpu now gaming is very different and needs the high power cpu more but u pays your money makes your choice!

[AzuMao]

1:30 This SSD doesn't even saturate 3gbps (384 megabytes per second), yet he acts like it's being handicapped somehow. False marketing sucks.

Also, what's with comparing a slow ass (7200 RPM) HDD to a top of the line SSD? Faster HDDs might not work in laptops, but on the other hand, Photoshop isn't going to open that fast on a laptop since the low-power CPU will bottleneck it.

Really awful comparison.

[BigBadBadger1]

SSD hater much!!!!!

[AzuMao]

No, I love SSDs. What I hate are bad comparisons.

[Featherawr]

I only use like 120GB usually, so I'm just going to buy the 128GB version and put all my files on that :]

[manofsalem]

The Question is: Do I have not the time, to wait just a few seconds or minutes? The price is too high. I think in a few moments the ssd is much cheaper and standard. And there are a lot of slow ssds on the market - they are not all so fast. The fast one are really expensive.

[jamesc9593]

I have a raid 10 across some decent seagates and I've benched them at around 138MB/sec with an Nvidia Raid. Quite Jealous of these Micron Drives but I couldn't sacrifice the capacity for speed. how much overhead due to CRC actually eats up the true write time of an SSD, and what about RAID'ed SSD drives.

[gulllars]

CRC is integrated in the SSDs along with ECC, and it creates a little overhead, but the biggest part of the overhead observed in SSDs is SATA bridge combined with LBA->physical location management. When you reach higher queue depths, you again get some overhead from flash-channel management.

CRC overhead is negligible.

If you buy 2 cheap 30-40GB SSDs of decent standard and RAID-0 them on ICH10R, you can get 400MB/s read and 80-180MB/s write bandwidth for $200.

[lobba123]

i have ocz summit and the boot is the same or faster, i don't have the black screen after starting windows...ram 4gb,w7 64bit, cpu quad 2.8ghz

copy is obviously faster but why boot is so slow with such a fast ssd?did they use slow cpu/ram?

[ccwork135]

Even at BIOS stage the PC (with Micron SSD) is already faster.

Fun ;)

[LFCforEver12341]

@ccwork135 not really, it wont imporve bios times because the bio is read off a chip off the motherboard lmao idiot much?

[s0crates82]

that's great and all, but they're still too expensive.

[wayfarin]

@s0crates82

give it time.

[monstercameron]

@s0crates82 i year later...64gb is $130 on amazon

[DCUPtoejuice]

@s0crates82 not anymore (1 year later) :)

[s0crates82]

@DCUPtoejuice fair point. i have a kingston 96gb ssd for my os drive. bought it june 2011. i'm loving it.

[DCUPtoejuice]

@s0crates82 great. I am just now setting up a T520 lenovo with an SSD as a primary OS drive and a 7200RPM for data. I'm hoping this makes it very responsive. I can't stand waiting for menus, booting, loading etc.

[jabcreations]

The issue I have with SSD's is not the capacity but the price. I run three drives (C:\ RAID1 120GB [boot], D:\ RAID1 320GB [work/personal], Z:\ 1.5TB video) and I'd like to buy an SSD for quicker booting and application launches however even a single 120/128GB drive with 200MB or higher read speeds costs $360 on Newegg. Once the drives come down to $100 for the specs I listed THEN I can budget them in for use with my system. I can live with mechanical drives for work and video for years though.

[idcaf]

The idea of SSD is not to have SSD instead of HDD

It's best use is to have it as a "working drive" while having another HDD for storing data. It's by far the best combination

[ekgomes]

very cool

[ronaldocosta1986]

Im just dreaming about 2 or 3 of those with RAID just for boot and OS right now :p It would fly like a dream :)) THANK GOD I didn't wasted any money on new HDs or SSDs, will wait till the prices of SATA III go down! then my PC will RLY FLY, thinkthat is not possible today because of the Hard Drivers!

[peklop]

Horst Fuchs type presentation.

[KhmerD0g]

ssd is way too expensive.

i'll stick to hdd. i get more storage per buck.

[vladimirkrilov]

It's no problem, just get a small SSD for OS and Apps and large quiet HDD for the rest.

[aberkae]

show us sata 2 (3g/s) vs sata 3 (6 gigs/sec)

thats why im even looking at this because it support sate 3.0 why show of ssd when we already have seen HD vs ssd videos

[fk5060]

All it takes is a single failure in your six drive Raid 0 array for ou to lose all your data....and its six times more likely then a single drive failure. Lets me honest here, we all do want one don't we ?

[daveyd007]

Five seconds from boot-up to online without an $800 SSD.

It's called ASUS ExpressGate. :)

[daveyd007]

"...just running it at 3GB just to be fair" LOL! Brilliant marketing tactic!

[CRUZtheBEST]

actually is so obvious that is the worst marketing tactic ever

[webad13]

agreed

[WiredEvolution]

@daveyd007 LMFAO!! LOL, brilliant comment!

[boarderkoen]

@daveyd007 He was saying that the HDD uses a Sata300 interface while the SSD uses a Sata600 interface.

To compare them well, they are both running a Sata300 port.

Wether this is fair is questionable, however I run a SSD Raid 0 setup, and my PC is UNLEASHED

[Track607]

@daveyd007 No, he's actually right (if this hasn't been said before).

He means SATA 3.0Gbps vs. SATA 6.0Gbps. The C300 256GB can perform up to 50% better under the latter.

[gotozeroya]

800$ vs 50$

just compare

he is an idiot

my home pc with 4 disk in raid0(700$) is more faster

[gulllars]

In your wet dreams. Do a launch-script and see for yourself.

A launch-script is a basic script that launches all programmes installed on the computer in parallell.

One good SSD normally can do this in 20-50 seconds depending on how many programs, while a huge HDD RAID-0 on a hardware RAID controller can maybe do it in 2-3x the time.

[daveyd007]

I dig how you use a SATA spec when referencing a hard disks actual throughput.

By no means will a single HD, or an SSD for that matter, approach those speeds of 3GB, 6GB..etc..Furthermore, my "standard 7200 HD doesn't even take that long to boot Windows. So I'm really wondering what you're actually comparing the SSD to. Could it be the Quantum Bigfoot TS that came out ten years ago?Today, hard disks can be had at eleven cents per gigabyte. Tells us if this SSD can compare to that price point.

[dvdragon]

Get to around $1 per GB and I'm all in.

[YTubeMoralAction]

Agree. If you sell these at 1$/1GB, I'll buy 4 for a wicked RAID config.

[fritexfranca]

a diferença de desempenho é impressionante

[BnaToToSnap]

wow coooool !

but the price is too high for a low storage capacity..

[utter91]

Just to be sure, lets say I buy this ssd when it comes out, will I  be able to run it with my motherboard that only has sata 3 even though its made for sata 6?

[MrCHISOL]

@utter91 Sata 6 should be compatible with Sata 3...

[JMatrx]

They wanted to call the sataIII (now the standard is sataII) to "Sata6g" to avoid confusion with sataII that is sata3g.. This creates confusion as well anyway..

[snakketto]

Wow, I can't wait to put my hands on one of these nice drives :D

[gulllars]

Would you pleese make a video of this vs Intel x25-M gen2 and Indilinx Barefoot with the newest firmware running in AHCI mode? This seems more natural, as they and SandForce will be the competitors of this drive once it launches.

Also, can you share a ballpark figure for the price of these?

It could also be very interresting of seing a demo of one of these vs OCZ Z-drive, Supertalent RAID-drive, and Fusion-io ioXtreme.

[thechevron]

i agree, ssds raping hdds is getting a bit old, it really needs comparered to vertex and x25

[MicronTechnology]

For the SSD head-to-head benchmark, see our "Fastest Client SSD: Micron RealSSD C300 vs. Leading Competitor" video

[KlashKit]

@MicronTechnology The 128gb version is one of the slowest writing drives out there. Not much quicker than a HDD and certainly nowhere as fast as the 256gb version. Not impressed Micron/Crucial

[LFCforEver12341]

@MicronTechnology no ofense, but your "Fastest Client SSD: Micron RealSSD C300 vs. Leading Competitor" video doesnt make sense, you should have showed what the other hard drive was. anyway was it a ocz vertex?

[kami8000]

meccha haeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

[Koroush51]

Cool.

Too bad these things cost a fortune.

[sintaxera]

Ive got no sound :) Can someone please tell me what drive its being compared to?

[thechevron]

he calls it a standard 7200rpm,

probably some piece of shit he found on fleabay

[the5creename]

I know my own hdd (7200rpm) does not boot up that slowly. Certainly it is slower than a SSD but it does not take that long to boot up. And I barely shut down my PC since I like to waste energy.

[sintaxera]

I have 6 7200's in raid0 on the intel matrix raid controller at home.

I put the youtube video on on my laptop, and my gaming machine booted about 4 seconds quicker. With no boot optimizations at all. This included about 3 extra seconds for the raid screen. Not as green, not as compact, but I have 1.7tB of space on that array, and it cost a couple of hundred dollars...

[w0mbat1]

im waiting to buy one of these, till now the prices are still too high but im confident this will change in 2010 :-)

[NEcRo123]

Awesome! :P

[ANopticalALLUSION]

What a huge difference this is going to make! It's been awhile since something has really made a difference in PC speed that's this noticeable. I bet hardware & software companies are excited about this technology. Go Micron Technology!

[geherrick]

Very cool. I want one! Where can you get these?

[MicronTechnology]

Hey guys,

The C300 will go into production in early 2010, so youll have to contain your excitement for a few months. Well post distributor links as soon as theyre ready.

[msjen777]

right on!

[shelbygthecar]

where can I buy this at?