Grappling - Double Leg Takedown (basic structure)

[JVThrillz]

Wow...I just figured if you pause and play, then repeatedly press 3. Something magical happens.

[kimphat18]

@chinaboxer Hey Jin, love your videos, best explanation, very helpful. I also watched some of your other Wing Chun, great videos. I was wondering if you could make a demonstration of Wing Chun and MMA in a world of street fighting. I know that MMA is more for a show then self-defense, so I understand if you wouldn't want to do so. But I would really like to see Wing Chun. I was also wondering what would happen if you ever get hit in the biceps, like in the movie Ip Man 2. Thanks great work

[ATouch0fFaith]

Can you make a video on wing chun takedowns?  Thanks

[neutrino78x]

chinaboxer, at 3:14 when the defender tries stepping back, and you are able to follow him, what if he steps forward with the other leg instead? Couldn't he cause you to overextend and/or break out of the takedown that way? I ask because of all those people who think MMA takedowns will defeat real martial artists :) although I did just TKD and some kung duk kwon in high school :)

[SkemeKOS]

@neutrino78x

What have you got against "MMA" takedowns LOL

Youre ALWAYS talking about them!

[neutrino78x]

@SkemeKOS I just think the real martial arts community needs to get someone out there on youtube showing that it is possible to avoid a takedown if you have not studied BJJ. I think it is lame to have all these people claiming BJJ is the ultimate form of wrestling, or that no one in 2000+ years of martial arts history ever thought of fighting on the ground, when most martial arts have ground fighting.

[SkemeKOS]

@neutrino78x

Most martial arts have ground fighting?

Well, thats CERTAINLY news to me LOL!

And besides, the few martial arts that do include ground fighting are not as evolved as BJJ.

The real martial arts community have already tried proving their art more than 20 years ago...they failed.

Just do a youtbe search for BJJ Vs (insert style here)...or The Gracie Challenge.

The proof is already out there my friend.

Martial arts has evolved a LOT in the last 20 years...especially the last 10 years

[neutrino78x]

@SkemeKOS "Most martial arts have ground fighting?" <--- yep. which martial did you study which did not have any ground techniques? "The real martial arts community have already tried proving their art more than 20 years ago...they failed." <--- really? a shaolin priest has competed in the UFC? news to me. people who are not particularly good in real martial arts have failed against people who are really good at BJJ, yes.

[SkemeKOS]

@neutrino78x

Kung fu and karate.

And stop making excuses for monks. they have fought mma fighters too and lost.

just not in the ufc as far as i know.

everytime a kung fu guy or shaolin monk or ninja etc loses, you guys always say they werent using REAL kung fu/ninjitsu etc etc....Im beginning to think that real kung fu has NEVER existed LOL

[neutrino78x]

@SkemeKOS show me where a Shaolin Priest from the temple in China sparred with an MMA jock? news to me.

[SkemeKOS]

@neutrino78x

How about you search for yourself?

Stop being lazy and do your own research.

[neutrino78x]

@SkemeKOS "How about you search for yourself?" <--- I already have; it isn't to be found, because a shaolin master (not just some dude who studied a shaolin style in the USA) would not spar with someone who is a beginner unless the beginner was threatening his life or something (or if he was instructing the beginner), and they have a vow of poverty just like Catholic priests, so they don't fight for money.

[neutrino78x]

@SkemeKOS and, the winner will always be the individual who is better. It has nothing to do with a better art. If you have a beginner at KF, and someone who has done BJJ for 30 years, the BJJ person will win. If the KF person is the master, and BJJ the beginner, KF will win. There's other factors too: speed, emotional/spiritual state, etc.

[SkemeKOS]

@neutrino78x

Wrong.

Styles are just as important as the individual fighter.

A beginner in BJJ would beat a boxer no problem once the fight goes to the ground.

Ive seen beginners in BJJ win against experts in many different styles.

[neutrino78x]

@SkemeKOS "Martial arts has evolved a LOT in the last 20 years...especially the last 10 years" <--- every man thinks there is something special about his time. But there usually isn't. All that has evolved is the sport of MMA. TKD, KF etc always had grappling/anti-grappling techniques.

[SkemeKOS]

@neutrino78x

yeah and from ive seen, their grappling/anti grappling techniques are horrible and wouldnt work against the evolved techniques of todays grapplers.

kung fu is behind the times, my friend.

[LinkTKD]

Great video for noobs like me.

[sinhaserpente]

Cool video, I'm just not sure about the head position in the second takedown. You keep your head on his right side and while it is safe, I feel you give up some control of his body. Usually when someone is trying to pass your guard like that you want to push their head to the side so that you can scoot out the other side and re-establish our guard. I feel by doing it you are making it easier for him, I would tend to put my head in the middle of his chest for more control. Just a thought.

[chinaboxer]

i'm really not sure, but conquering myself is more of my focus nowadays versus conquering others. but you never know.

[sunfist420]

jus my humble opinion...

but mounting is ridculous for streetfighting...as your vision is facing down...and unaware of incoming attacks..ala i got hit by a bat in the head while mounting a guy.

the old way jujutsu or Aikido by pinning with the knee and keeping vision and torso up...is more effective and very useful for a WC fighter.

but u have to use what works for you.and evrybody likes to fight differeantly.

[chinaboxer]

like i've said before, the grappling portion of the Tutorial is for competition only and not for the street.

[sunfist420]

@chinaboxer sorry,I didn't relize..

U do have mad skills.

best..down to earth explanations as well.

[chinaboxer]

no problemo, bro, thanks for your support and kind words, peace!

[pwnme]

@sunfist420 in street fighting, its mostly stand up anyway, its all about fucking the other guy up, not about knocking him out.

[TaiJuJutsu]

@sunfist420 I definitely agree with you, BJJ and similars doesnt work for the streets.

[samtotheg]

@sunfist420

bjj uses knee on stomach position too foo , know yer shit before u comment

[69elchupacabra69]

I just have to ask, do you really need to breath/exhale/whatever you call it everytime you do that, or just when I'm exerting effort, or when I'm using a mouthguard, or both? I would love to hear from you. :)

Thanks

[chinaboxer]

try to benchpress but as you push the weight up, inhale.

then try it again pushing the weight up but exhale.

[69elchupacabra69]

PAWNEDDD...

I love your reply there. ^__^ I wish there are more people like you here.

[sarsattacks]

There's no three "main" styles of MMA, there are three MOST POPULAR styles. Traditional martial arts may work IF they stop being so naive about learning other styles. Guys like GSP and Machida aren't 100% karate, they train other styles as well, thats' why their karate works while other karate styles don't. Don't be surprised when kung-fu/taekwondo/jkd guys start getting into the UFC, all it takes is time for them to break tradition of just training one style.

[TheFinderBinder]

Im not saying you must only have 3 styles and no more, im saying those are the 3 styles a mixed martial arists uses and must have. I didnt mention anything about not learning anything else, so shoot/shootfighting, karate, course you can use them

[TheFinderBinder]

*Im saying those are the 3 fundamental styles a mixed martial artists uses in a fight*

[CRDFightClub]

"In a real fight the 3 main styles you depend on are kickboxing/thai jujitsu and wrestling."

This comment is shit to the birds. This proves you know little to nothing about MMA. I take it you go to the bars on Saturdays to watch UFC with your other redneck friends and root for Brock Lesnar. With that statement you're shortchanging tons of martial arts that have proved their validity in the ring. Shootfighting/Shooto, Judo, Karate, Sambo, Sanshou, etc.

[joeladobes]

why is that? do you think it will work?

[MPAsVideos]

im loving this

[chinaboxer]

glad you're enjoying them. peace!

[MrChiSao]

That's probly what I would do aswell. You don't want to give them the chance to drop bombs form the top onto your head or spine. I know how difficult things can become when someone has a descent sprawl. Keep it up. What you are doing is very interesting. I definately can see the application of the ring and street.

Respectfully

[MrChiSao]

I like what you're doing with this. I understand that this is only basic however, how would you handle a person executing a fast deep sprawl, where you do not get a chance to attack the legs because they are out of your reach.

Respectfully

[chinaboxer]

most likely i would back out and get back to my feet. it's really difficult to say though, it really depends on the type of pressure i'm getting and where it's coming from.

[chinaboxer]

lol..i really have to try and stop that. =P

[Godsmasher22]

Jin

I like your double leg flow drill here. I have a concern though about your transitions from mount to side control, and from mount to arm triangle positions. Speaking from experience hopping that leg over often allows the opponent to recover the guard. If I may offer a pointer, leave the knee of the leg you are going to bring over on the ground and swing your shin up around their legs to their belly, then let the knee follow. No space is key.

[chinaboxer]

nice observation. i agree with you, i just wanted to primarily focus on the takedown and not get to intricate when it came to the pass or submission. take care and peace!

[chinaboxer]

thanks for that. peace!

[industrial6824]

Jin, what type of pants are you wearing in this vid? Who makes them?

[chinaboxer]

they are made by "Vulcan" and it is their "summer gi". great for training.

[Godsmasher22]

Moral, Mental atrophy? I do believe that MMA actually helped martial artists begin to think much more realistically about fighting one on one than they had in years.

Moral? That I don't get.

[mofotox]

Well, MMA, UFC are controlled by the mobs. All the so call greatest fighters are nothing but street thugs who have nothing to loose (even their lives are worth squat) and are in for the quick fame and money. They dont value nothing, just read some of the reports by news organizations about the business of organized MMA. These thugs even bring there kids to witness their violent and bloody acts in the cage, hence Moral Atrophy.

[GuamKomudo]

You have no idea what your talking about... You know Kung fu actually works in real life, Karate works in real life too! Do you know why Karate was made??? It was made to beat the crap out of people. Kung fu? Beat the crap out of people. Muay Thai? Beat the crap out of people... You wanna talk realistc? These people train, they have a "Game plan" You wanna think realistically? Talk to the people that made Karate as a way to not die... REAL Karate works,no kung fu movies show REAL asian fighting

[Godsmasher22]

That is as may be. However you miss my point. What I said was MMA helped martial artist think more realistically about one on one fighting than they had IN YEARS. Not ever. It showed the importance of grappling. It demonstrated, prior to the addition of the gloves, the almost inevitablity of hand breakage, and on and on. That was all I was saying. What it demostrated was that being a well rounded fighter was preferable to the opposite condition.

[GuamKomudo]

MMA definatly rules out thoughs weird Kung fu arts that belive in pressure points that kill you instantly lol But they also rule out the kung fu styles like wing chun, where the gloves stop you from being effective and so do the rules. You cant hit people in the neck or eyes or side kick to knees or stuff like that, thats what Kung fu is, hurting people in ways that HURT them... Badly... Forever... lol But ya, being well rounded is good, like Samurai, sword fighting with Jujutsu =D

[CRDFightClub]

"thoughs" weird Kung Fu arts?

Wtf.

You're horribly mistaken if you think Kung Fu is nothing but strikes based on vital areas alone. Only idiots who train and fight like shit preach that. Gloves and rules are only limiting when you train incorrectly.

[GuamKomudo]

I didnt say they ONLY hit areas that are vital, but they do target them. Maby kung fu styles are hard styles (Using strength and beat, or no weirdo qi gong) The hard kung fu styles have proven best, thats why the government made Sanda, they found what works best from all the kung fu styles and made one style. What they found works is punching, kicking, knees, elbows and throwing people on the ground really hard. Thats kung fu =)

[CRDFightClub]

What's so weird about Qi Gong? It gets a bad rep from silly movies. All it is is the isolation of one specific skill or set of skills where exercises are utilized to strengthen that skill. Actually, I haven't heard of many external Kung Fu styles competing in Sanda competition. I actually hear of Tai Chi exponents competing pretty often. Sanda is technically only a ruleset for sparring utilizing CMA. It only became "it's own thing" later on like Kickboxing.

[GuamKomudo]

Qi Gong has been proven real by science, but I dont see the point in training in a Shaolin tempol all your life for it... Qi Gong is very hard to apply to fighting, I think it should only be exciersies for health. Sanda competitions are actually for... Sanda, you cant say, "Oh I do Wingchun, can I join this sanda tournament???" They wont let you... The tournament is for Sanda, not wingchun. Just like soccer players cant join a football game...

[TheFinderBinder]

long story short. Kungfu sucks, no fighters use it bcuz it is shit with no grappling. that was heavily proven in ufc 1

[chinaboxer]

i partially agree with you, but this includes ANY single "striking" method. if you are going to compete in the ring, then you have to compliment your stand up training with "anti grappling" or "grappling" methods to compete in the MMA arena.

[chinaboxer]

also, just as the later UFC's, striking arts such as boxing, muay thai, karate etc...who have synthesized anti grappling or grappling, have shown that grapplers with NO stand up skills are worthless. you CANNOT do tournament Jujitsu and compete in MMA anymore. you see the top fighters in the UFC don't even have to go to the ground anymore.

[TheFinderBinder]

yes i agree, I didn't say you can be completely successful with just grappling btw.

[TheFinderBinder]

you mentioned top fighters not having to go to the ground because of their anti air whatever. But thats wrong, every fighter (even the best) would have to go to the ground at one point depending on what the opponents style is (especially wrestling)

[CRDFightClub]

You're a complete moron. I'm surprised his reply was as nice as it was. Your comment only proves that you have no knowledge of martial arts as well as having no grasp of the english language. Might as well say boxing sucks because Art Jimmerson was destroyed by Royce Gracie in UFC 1...

[TheFinderBinder]

all im trying to say is that kung fu is bullshit and which is why no body uses it in the MMA world. In a real fight the 3 main styles you depend on are kickboxing/thai jujitsu and wrestling. I didnt say You can be succesful with just jujitsu you moron. kung Fu is for the movies with all the flying kick bullshit. Watch BJ penn vs Caol Uno. get ur head out of the kungfu cloud and into the real world you dick

[TheFinderBinder]

nah, your the complete moron. Your comment contains no kind of educational response to what i actually said. You didnt comment on what i said either and you didnt talk about it. What you are is a kung fu freak who still believes in the motherfucking jackie chan/sammo hung fighting styles. MMA is the key in fight, not wing chun or whatever kung fu crap your thinking of

[TheFinderBinder]

Ok maybe it wasn't proven in UFC 1, but its proven today ;). In the UFC or PRIDE (as real as it gets) do yuo see any of the top fighters using any kind of kung fu? Take fedor emelianenko for example. No doubt most people belive he is the real deal, as in the best. Does he use any of the kung fu bullshit? actaully never mind him...does anybody in MMA co operate kung fu into there MMA>? I don think so, and you know why they dont......Because its shit. Leave it to the movies

[chinaboxer]

Chuck Lidell uses nothing but Kempo which comes from Southern Chinese Kung Fu.

[TheFinderBinder]

WRONG. Chuck liddell stated himself he uses his wreslting to keep the fight on the feet u dumb shit

[darkreaper91]

@TheFinderBinder it doesnt matter what the pros use. there's no such thing as a superior style, it just comes down to the fighter. but what am i talking about? your the expert on MA, you've seen all the UFC fights after all

[TheFinderBinder]

@darkreaper91 I Know there isn't such thing as a superior style. All iv'e been trying to say for the past 3 months is that you gotta cover all areas of combat in order to be successful (grappling, striking etc)

[CRDFightClub]

God, you really are dumb. I'm guessing you don't even train, you're just spouting a bunch of UFC hype bs right? Style is irrelevant, it's the way one trains and the amount of realism one employs that makes the fighter. Know why the majority of the original UFC fighters sucked? Most of them were crap happy point fighters or guys who never sparred in their life, who thought they were invincible.

[CRDFightClub]

there's quite a few people who train Kung Fu and compete in MMA. They may not all be pro, but then again if you think MMA is only about PRIDE (which is no longer existing in case you didn't know, it's now DREAM) and the god awful UFC, you're a douche bag anyway. Cung Le (Sanshou), Alan Orr (Wing Chun) along with his entire fight team, obviously Jin who made these videos, who uses Wing Chun in an MMA environment, Sami "The Hun" Berick (Tai Chi Chuan), Jason Delucia (Five Animal Kung Fu), etc.

[CRDFightClub]

Lol, I think you're the one who has been watching too many movies. Where do you get all of this bullshit about Kung Fu being nothing but flying kicks and flashy shit? Maybe you should pull your head out the shit box and have an open mind. Of course you can't win with one style, but that's what MMA is all about. It's the competitors that have an open mind and train with intensity that make a name for themselves. Lyoto Machida is a prime example of this.

[TheFinderBinder]

Yeh i totally agree with you that the competitors make a name for themselves by having an open mind and training intensilvely. But what im saying is many MMA artists, thats MMA, do not have the kung fu in their training. You mentioned lyotot machida....but he trained in shotokan/machida karate not kung fu, and probably has never had anythign to do with kung fu in his life. Kung fu sucks, end of, which is why no top fighters co operate it in their training

[CRDFightClub]

...And you also trashed the art saying it's useless, while I named plenty of MMA fighters that do utilize Kung Fu in MMA. I never said Lyoto Machida studied Kung Fu, I was merely using him as an example of someone who is open minded and is highly successful in MMA. Once again your argument is horribly unverified and has already been disproven. Sure there's plenty of shit Kung Fu schools, teachers, and students out there, but that can be said about any martial art.

[takitezy7]

@CRDFightClub Your club is inspired by a hollywood movie. Everybody dissed karate until Lyoto was known. The closest thing to a Kung Fu mma fighter is Cung Le (but not really cos he's mostly TKD)

[CRDFightClub]

Wow, you're reasoning makes hardly any sense. You jump from topic to topic without even knowing what the hell you're talking about. My "club" was created a year before the "Fight Club" movie came out. I can't speak for everyone, but I was a Machida fan long before he was big in the UFC; I actually found out about him from watching his brother Chinzo fight. I've also never "dissed karate." The various styles of Karate are excellent as long as the proper training methods are employed.

[CRDFightClub]

Actually, you're wrong about Cung. There are plenty of fighters who utilize Kung Fu in an MMA setting. Now whether you're a douche and only think of MMA in the "professional" sense as opposed to those who may compete in an amateur compacity; that's a whole other matter entirely. Where do you get mostly TKD from??? He's done Chinese Kickboxing (Sanshou) almost his entire career.

[TheFinderBinder]

yeh, jason delucia point proven. he's just a kung fu fighter with no knowledge of the ground game...I take it you havent seen royce gracie against jason delucia?

[CRDFightClub]

Dude, are you clueless? You do know Jason and Royce fought twice right? After Jason was beaten the first time by Royce in the infamous challenge match (which is available all over youtube and Gracie's in Action) he went and studied BJJ. In UFC 2 he defeated an alternate using a rear naked choke. He even competed in Pancrase and studied with the Lion's Den; where do you get the whole BS about him not having knowledge of the ground game.

[TheFinderBinder]

nah your wrong. Most people sucked in the original ufc's because they had no knowledge of ground fighting. Not because they neevr sparred int heir life!? and yes, most of them people had been fighting for a long time, so how can you say they've never sparred in their life?

[CRDFightClub]

Actually there was a lot of people in some of the original UFCs that you could tell had never sparred with their art before. When it came time to fight, they flailed and fought like shit. Ignorance of grappling was the second reason why a lot of them sucked. There was also some people that were pretty good standup guys, but their lack of a ground game left them unable to show their skills.

[RuroKen8]

@GuamKomudo dude have some respect.....if yu really want to see some REAL asian fighting then go to one of China's Martial Arts Academies and get your ass kicked there...obviously you have not seen Ip Man 1 or 2...

[Presbiter]

doing this exercise led to a nice option to break the takedown.

i was the guy who should be take down. so while i was attacked, the bottom was a bit wet, so i sliped unintentional onto my ass.

this gave ma a quite good position, as i put the other guy with me, then i rolled him over me and now i was on top. haha everyday funny new situations.

[chinaboxer]

lol..nice.

[archers101]

nice takedown techniques jin thank you!:)

[chinaboxer]

you're welcome!

[yieldingbamboo]

i always thought it was forward. but sideways makes more since because its a shorter movement for you to put him down. I guess you can also pass guard easier. awesome! thanks!

[chinaboxer]

glad you enjoyed it. take care and peace!

[staone1]

ty for this vid

[chinaboxer]

no problemo. peace!

[TheSenseofTouch]

das koo

[chinaboxer]

glad you enjoyed it. we filmed this after 3 hours of stand up, take downs and grappling. i was exhausted but wanted to share with you guys some of what we practiced. peace!