Oh, it's a parody of 'Ghost Riders In The Sky' By Johnny Cash. One of the few country western songs I like. The 'Devil Went Down to Georgia' By Charlie Daniels is good too. The man sure can fiddle! :D
@brief555 I'm as interested in that as I am about what happened before I was conceived/developed consciousness/was born/archived my first memories. Do you worry about that too?
Ive read the comment sections and man is it full of projection,. Its pretty hilarious, and would be even funnier if it were on the video on projection.
lol <3 debates... if anyone takes time to read this... look up "Earths forbidden secrets" it will change EVERYthing guaranteed if your open minded... its a free book!
@AntiCitizenX "Please don't tell me you failed to understand the simple concept of 'burden of proof.' "
I get it; not sure you do.
Your belief system has just as much burden of proof as any other belief system. And you do not provide any proof or evidence. You just assume that your assumptions must be true.
"Your belief system has just as much burden of proof as any other belief system."
What belief system are you referring to? I can only assume you mean atheism, in which case I would tell you that rejection of a claim is not a "belief system" any more than "not collecting stamps" is my hobby. But since you're a smart guy, you would already know that, and I don't have to get bogged down by explaining basic epistemology to you, right?
@AntiCitizenX "... I don't have to get bogged down by explaining basic epistemology to you, right?"
Since your epistemology is part of your belief system, maybe you *should* explain it.
In any case, rejecting a claim may not be a belief system, but it certainly reflects a belief system. In your belief system, is seems reasonable to reject X, while in another belief system it does not seem reasonable.
@DetectiveTackett I agree you with Tackett. However, I think you don't fully understand athiest. They don't need to adhere to a coherent theology or even to a science. They only wish to hold others accountable to what they percieve as falsehoods in their faiths. What's going on is..you are asking him to follow the same standard he applies to you. He is responding, "I am the athiest, I don't have to". I haven't met an athiest that isn't a narcissist. Your line of reasoning won't work.
Narcissist, huh? And why is that? Because the burden of proof is not a symmetric concept? Okay, fine. If that's how you want to play, I will disprove God for you:
The lack of empirical and positively-indicative evidence in favor of God is sufficient justification to reject the assertion of God's existence.
QED
The onus is now on you to demonstrate an empirical indication for the existence of God. Show me what ya got.
@AntiCitizenX In your effort to retort, you have validated my critique. That being, you don't feel the need to prove your position, you only want others to prove theirs. Do you honestly believe that your statement actaully disproves God? Silly at best. Only a narcissist would think that. You have made my point.
Perhaps I am not making myself clear, so let me say it again loud and clear:
THE ONUS IS NOT ON ME TO PROVE A NEGATIVE YOU MORON!!!!
I have provided you with my justification for not believing. Arbitrarily declaring that I am a narcissist who failed to disprove God does nothing to address the explanation I just provided you. If that is how you sincerely look at the world, then I demand you prove to me the non-existence of Allah, Thor, Krishna, Shiva, and Moroni.
@AntiCitizenX You and I are saying the same thing. We may have come to different conclusions about the existence of God, but we both agree that you do not stand for a position that needs to be proven. That was my exact point to Detective Tackett. His approach in demanding that you be held to the same standard of proof is off. If you reread my post to him you'll see that. You are only responding in your traditional manner to me because you are angry and not clear in thought.
@Here2ownU Reading the thread, it's understandable why Anti cold be upset. You implied he was a narcissist by saying something like "never met an atheist who wasn't" and because all atheists are narcissistic, they use the same logical rejection of a religious claim. Anti responded with narcissistic-free reasoning to why he is an atheist. So, at this point, I imagine he might be angry since you haven't responded to those points (whether you agree or disagree).
I offered you a perfectly reasonable proof of my position by explaining why it is justifiable to reject the theistic position. You then went on to claim that atheists are narcissistic because apparently in your mind a lack of evidence for God is not an adequate disproof of his existence. So again, I do not have to "disprove" God directly. I only need to explain why a positive belief in God is without merit. That is not narcissistic in any way.
@AntiCitizenX My original comment was directed at Detective Tackett. I was basically encourageing him not to waste his time on you. So why would I? I have a family to attend to a job with a great deal of pressure. Sorry AntiCitizen, this thread simply is not important enough for me to pursue and I just don't have the time as I prefer to research thoroughly when posting in detail. Best of wishes to you.
You obviously weren't too busy chime in on my forum and make blanket statements about atheistic narcissism, so please don't insult us with the whole "I have a busy life" bullshit. Everyone here has jobs. You're just bugging out because you apparently have nothing intelligible to offer to the conversation. I have provided you the justification you asked for, but you don't want to address the uncomfortable concept that religious belief is irrational.
(12) "Regrowing a severed limb is sufficient for this cause. If, however, your deity cannot perform such an act, then omnipotence is beyond the being which now seems to follow the constraints of physical laws." In other words, what I think you're saying is:
-An omnipotent God would heal amputees.
-Amputees are not healed.
-Therefore, an omnipotent God does not existam I right?
(11) The Greek word for "perfect" is "teleion" related to the word "telescope" from the English, giving the example of something fully extended. Now this doesn't mean that God is unfair. Nor does this mean that the Bible is wrong because God decided to withdraw that special endowment. This is why we Christians cannot "perform miracles on demand." However, ACX Sir: this does not conclude that our Bible is untrue!
[ACX Sir: this does not conclude that our Bible is untrue!]
Actually, it does. The Bible makes a very unambiguous promise that through faith you may perform miracles. You admit that you cannot perform miracles on demand. Therefore, the words contained in the Bible are in error. QED.
No, you are being foolish. You want to misinterpret the Scriptures because by doing so you are able to officially substantiate your mockery of Miracles and Prayer. If you honestly admit to misinterpreting the Scriptures to suit your own prejudices you would then have to admit that your mockery is unjustifiable, and simply evil. Therefore, you cannot do this as this would put you in a bind.
(10) Why? It's because they don't share that special relationship with God. Now the reason why it is impossible for Christians today to perform the same kinds of Miracles (such as healing an amputee's limb through prayer) is because God has declared that special endowment done away with. God Himself has taken away that gift. He says: "When that which is perfect has come [His Word established in writing] then that which is in part will be done away." (I Cor. 13.10)
[ God has declared that special endowment done away with. ]
That is not what the text says, and you know it. You are imposing your own preferential interpretation onto the text to rationalize the fact that the words contained in it are demonstrably bogus.
This is what the text says and I know it. I am imposing my own faithful declaration of God's Truth as it has been spoken onto the text of the Bible to rationalize the fact that the words contained in it are demonstratively true.
"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."
These words are not open to interpretation. Jesus himself speaks these words with virtually no exceptions or strings attached. Faith plus prayer equals miracles. Period.
You call yourself a Christian, but you don't even believe the words of Christ himself.
No, this verse is in context with the entire chapter of Mark and this verse is spoken by Jesus to His disciples exclusively who were given this gift of Miracle working by Jesus Himself, in accordance with His Holy Spirit, in order that His disciples might carry on that direct revelation of Jesus to unbelievers/Jews, Greeks/Gentiles, until God's desired revelation was made known in writing.
"For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith."
When Christ says "whosoever," he is not being exclusive. Do not pretend to lecture me on what you obviously have not read.
"So Jesus answered and said to them, [THEM: His Disciples--EXCLUSIVELY] Have faith in God. For assuredly I say to you, whoever says..." --Christ is speaking to His Disciples exclusively: His Disciples being twelve Sir! Sir! Passage context is very important!!
You are confusing the fact that the disciples were the only ones around at the moment as an indicator that the words applied to them alone. There is nothing in any translation of the Bible to indicate that Christ is being exclusive here, and you are deliberately inserting your own interpretation into a very plain text.
You are really the sorriest excuse for a Christian ever. You would rather butcher the literal meaning of the words rather than demonstrate their veracity.
Sir, it's right there in black ink! (Mark 11:20-24) Jesus is speaking exclusively to His Disciples in the morning as they were passing by a dried up fig tree. Jesus is walking and talking with His Disciples. You can't just take one or two verses and construe what you might THINK it means--no, you must first look at the context in which those verses are surrounded, by examining the entire CHAPTER!! Context is VERY important Sir!
["Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."] This verse is for Christians, and it means a spiritual thing, asked according to God's will. This you cannot understand because God's Holy Spirit is denied you. You would take this verse and ask according to your own sinful lusts. We Christians take this verse and ask according to God's will and purpose alone. We are dependent upon God, you are dependent upon self.
The Word of the cross (The Gospel Message we Christians preach) is foolishness to you. God's revelation of His Gospel contained in His Word so saturated in history is enough to bring even the most vile, wicked, unrepentant sinners to their knees before Him. You are the one in the grievously deluded state, ACX. Satan the god of this world has blinded you from the reality of knowing the soul-saving truth that Jesus Christ alone offers for sinners.
Repent of your sins Sir, and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ! Satan cannot save you, he will destroy you! Christ does and can save sinners! Ask honestly for reasoned proofs of the validity of the Christian faith, and they will be given to you, and willingly! Take these facts, proofs and evidences and examine them honestly for yourself, without bias and following them all the way to where they lead, and discover that the Truth they point to is valid!
Christ himself says that miracles should be a snap if only you believe. Since you cannot demonstrate a miracle on demand, that must mean you do not believe. The fact that you preach at me anyway therefore makes you a liar and a hypocrite.
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
No, you are making your word's Christ's, and that is blasphemous. If Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light to pervert the truth of the Gospel, so can you. But this doesn't make God's Word untrue. As Michael said, when he contended with the devil, but knowing that the LORD would bring condemnation upon the devil in due time: "The LORD rebuke you!"
My LORD says: "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah."
[The fact that you preach at me anyway therefore makes you a liar and a hypocrite.]
I call you yourself into question Sir. "Where is the wise! Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" While you call me a liar and hypocrite for speaking the truth and expounding upon Mark 11:20-24 faithfully so that you might know (He who has an ear to hear, let him hear!) its context--would you be justified for taking Scripture out of context? No.
No, respectfully I disagree. I do not insert words into biblical texts often falsifying them thereby. The gift of Miracle working was just one amazing part of the entire New Testament Gospel revelation. But the gift of Miracle working was done away with after that amazing revelation came to be written down!
Hi, I believe it because it's the Truth. No one should "move on". God has revealed His Truth in such ways that all men have a knowledge of it though they refuse to confess it with their mouths, and give Him the glory. God IS.
apparently that's Ok with presuppasitional apologetics. They actually came up with a formalized system for question begging, straw manning, wishful thinking and evading the burden of proof. Just say that your epistemological axioms are the bible and God, and you can say that question begging is OK too! It necessarily leads to informal fallacys of linguistics, but that's never stopped anyone.
Absolutely. Your absolute statement absolutely rings true. It continues to loop all the way through history, and will continue to infinitely circumnavigate all the way till judgment day.
Umm... two words fo you to consider: Coherent Argument. You've displayed many examples of appeal, cilcular logic, and false dilemma fallacies. It was bad. Worse, you still did not prove the bible was "truth". Try agin? But this time try to make a real argument.
Take these facts, proofs and evidences and examine them honestly for yourself, without bias and following them all the way to where they lead, and discover that the Truth they point to is valid!
Hi. Thanks for your comment. What part about my comment makes you skeptical? Skepticism regarding issues of truth are certainly understandable, but not justifiable when skepticism goes beyond skepticism into blatant mockery. This is the implication of my comment (you quoted). Mockery of the Christian religion is not justifiable when a person who does so has only commenced to do so merely for personal prejudices, not for the result of considering the facts and evidences...
I've spent my time examining the Christian religions thank you very much. The facts have not met the onus to justify any kind of rational belief in the claims.
[Mockery of the Christian religion is not justifiable when a person who does so has only commenced to do so merely for personal prejudices, not for the result of considering the facts and evidences...]
Let's see, you believe in talking snakes, a population bottleneck of two individuals for humanity, bears mauling children for teasing a bald guy, and diverse languages poofing into existence all at once. Sounds like mockery material to me.
This is why I say 'follow the facts honestly and without bias.' I meant being willing to examine facts. The Christian religion is very unique in that it offers knowledge of truth and hope of salvation in such a unique, exclusive way. But it's not so much facts as it is the God who testifies of Himself by making these facts known!
Hi. Yes and no. Yes, he is the god of this world. He is an evil spirit and devil as the Bible calls him. No though, he is not the all powerful, omniscience, omnipotent God of the universe and author of the Bible. If Satan had the same power as God, there would be no God, no Christians, and no hope.
That's a good question, thanks for your comment. The reason I can say "I know" for a certainty that God is not Satan's deception is because God sent His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, to die for sinners! To self-sacrifice (unselfishly) Himself, to give Himself willingly to death out of love for sinners, to pay that sin-penalty for them that they might have hope and salvation...
...But Satan can't and wouldn't do this. Satan is depicted in the Bible as the father of lies and the deceiver, hating sinners and continually seeking to destroy them. He hates God and Gods people. He hates good as he hates those who do good. This is completely contrary to Gods most Holy, good, and just nature as is revealed in His Word the Bible. God cannot lie.
I am a rational thinker. I cannot be demonstrated to be wrong (in regards to Truth), because the Truth is not dependent upon me and my personal predilections or preferences. It is dependent upon God and what He says. God speaks to me in His Word the Bible. The Bible cannot be proven to be wrong. I can offer evidence for this assertion...if you'd like.
Wow, yet another classic case of "I'm right, period!" Do you not even have room for the slightest possibility that what you believe is in error? Because really guy, you're just an arrogant moron if this is how you view the world.
...Are you wanting a note discussion of some sort? I'm willing to discuss and offer proofs for my faith, but I don't think you truly want them--at least to examine them honestly...I think you would rather mock them...and call me names--really, how justifiably fair is that?
By your own admission, you refuse to even admit the possibility of error in your beliefs. How am I supposed to treat you when openly tout your own closed-mindedness as a badge of honor?
I would love to have a real discussion with you, but time and time again you proclaim absolute certainty about your beliefs, as if your own mere human faculties could not possibly be wrong. So really, you have no intention of discussing anything, but instead simply want to preach at me under the a priori assumption that you're right and I'm wrong no matter what.
The really appalling part is that you then have the nerve to act all sensitive when we mock you for this.
Whatever satan is depicted in the bible and how god is depicted it is irrelevant if it is a lie or fiction please show how you know the bible is not fiction
and i will not accept faith because that isnt a reasonable position
(9) You see, it is the concern of Christians that God's will be done in all things that makes them look so foolish to an unbelieving world. This kind of relationship toward God is reserved only for Christians, and it is special. It stands to reason that the uniqueness of Christian prayer would be mocked and scoffed at by an unbelieving people because they cannot understand it!
(8) The ability to perform these kinds of miracles was reserved for the disciples in Jesus' day, and it was to them exclusively He spoke (Mark 11:24). This verse also has spiritual implications in that it meant the disciples were to ask according to Gods will and purpose alone.
(7) The purpose of the gift of miracle-working was to give Christians the written Scriptures, that is, the Bible. Miracles were always associated with revelation to prove that the messenger/s was/were sent by God.
(6) Thirdly, if God does exist, than miracles are possible, and He can and does still perform them!...which of course leads straight back to Mark 11:24!
(5) First off, we must tackle the ageless question of whether or not God really exists. Secondly, if He does exist, (and we Christians believe He does) He is most certainly not at our disposal, as this is very evident in His Word, the Bible. Whatever He wills, and however He wills to perform His works is independent of our personal desires. Christians understand this concept, but unbelievers can't.
(4) Examining facts is one light in the tunnel, and God's Holy Spirit is the other: it works in the soul to render facts believable. Ultimately the question of whether or not a "deity" that is, as we Christians say, "God" can or cannot perform such an act of Miracle, is certainly a good question, but it leaves something wanting.
(3) If a person is not open to reason, is already so opposed against the possibility of seeking for Truth in the Christian worldview, is not willing to go that extra mile so to speak, conducting his/her own honest research/examine the Bible/ask honest questions, then that person cannot expect to ever possibly find it, and must then resort to mocking "those silly Christians" because they have honestly found it.
(2) Only by looking at this passage honestly can we ascertain what it really implies, and not add or subtract to it in order that we might somehow justify our personal predilections or prejudices. Only by looking at it honestly and without bias can we understand its literal meaning. I say honest because it's crucial.
(1) No, with respect, the only "defense" of Mark 11:24 is through specific demonstration of its context which involves expounding upon its literal meaning, as contained in the entire passage of Scripture, and how it relates to the truth of the Bible as a whole, without it needing particular reliance upon "scientific rationale".
Delete and spam my comments if you must, ACX, but regardless: Christian Truth will always boldly speak out, even if it means to rebuke mockers! I hope that God in His great mercy will humble you.
(18) The Bible at court once again! Will it be judged and found wanting? No! It has passed through more fires than this! Will it be discarded and stamped untrue merely for one more prejudiced verdict of an unbelieving autonomous man? No! For look there! And here: I still see many Christians! Oh, what a marvelous thing this is! We Christians laud: "This is the LORDs doing--it is marvelous in our eyes!" Will our Bible stand? Yes it shall!
Okay, fine. Put your faith where your mouth is. I challenge you to read Mark 11:24 and demonstrate the Bible's veracity by healing a single amputee. This is your big chance to unequivocally demonstrate the truth of the Bible. But if you fail, you have to acknowledge that the words of the Bible are not representative of reality. Do we have a deal?
I was under the impression you are copy/pasting the same words to other forums, which would be spamming. If these are your words, then you are free to continue.
Yes Sir, I do. I'm very familiar with Mark 11:24, and I would be delighted to demonstrate my Bible's veracity by physically demonstrating Mark 11:24 to you. If I fail to physically demonstrate Mark 11:24, I'll confess to being unable to prove the truth of the Bible. How shall this be conducted then? Would you care to orchestrate a time for a video chat Sir? I'm most willing.
Do you honestly think that through the application of prayer you will be able to regrow a lost limb?
Okay, fine. Here are the terms:
Track down a man with a missing leg that has been severed above the knee. Get his permission to pray over him. Then on camera, perform the ritual prayer of your choice. If the man's leg regrows within one month of your prayer and is restored to full functionality, I will join your church. If not, you must publicly declare that the Bible is bogus.
Sir, you are expanding the terms here. I specifically said I would physically demonstrate Mark 11:24 to YOU. That is, I want to physically demonstrate this passage by expounding upon the meaning of it with you on video chat. If you noticed in my last comment, I never agreed to the demonstration of the physical application of prayer to regrow an amputee's limb. No, I wanted to physically demonstrate the actual meaning of this PASSAGE. You do not understand it Sir, and I want to defend it.
[ I want to physically demonstrate this passage by expounding upon the meaning of it with you on video chat.]
I am not interested in watching you butcher the literal meaning of the text. The words are very clear. Prayer plus faith yields miracles. If you cannot demonstrate this by performing a legitimate miracle on demand, then the Bible is wrong.
(17) You mocker: I do have objective proofs to offer. I broke off before offering them to ascertain your possible response. Now I must defend my Bible against your "I don't like it" claims. This is where you really reveal yourself, for as I assumed, this is not a question of what might be Truth, this is a question of personal prejudices...
Do not just proclaim God, but DEMONSTRATE him. Use prayer to heal an amputee. Mark 11:24 specifically says you can do this. If you are so cock-sure of your beliefs, then do not be afraid to prove them. Otherwise, you the words in the Bible are demonstrably false, and you are just another miserable fool clinging do his delusion.
(16) This is how we Christians define mockers. A mocker says in his heart, "No God for me, thanks!" It's this God that's the question, not the "merits" or "unmerits" of religions. Mere contemplation doesnt cut it, sorry. It's this God of the Bible....(brief intermission: on to proofs!)
(15) This is very cruel and unmerited, no matter how "silly" we Christians might appear to be. Is this gentleman's position justifiable? No, it isn't. Why not? It stems from personal predilections. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the question of Christianity being true. Instead it has everything to do with not wanting to be held accountable to the kind of God Christianity proclaims: His laws and governance.
(14) So...what merit DOES the Christian faith have? Is it credible? Absolutely!!! And it DOES have merit! This is exciting--but I'm jumping ahead of myself. Okay...but then this gentleman walks up and drops his glass on the floor with this statement: "I had no choice but to conclude that the Christian faith is without merit." Okay...very well then, he concludes to mock it, pointing out the seemingly erroneous nature of its belief, even to the point of belittling those who embrace it.
(13) Nope. It's about objective proof and reasoned convictions: its foundation lies in the heart of the Bible itself. With good reason do Christians sing these words from Edward Mote's Hymn: "On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand." This is the key that unlocks Truth from falsity, reality from unreality!
[ It's about objective proof and reasoned convictions: its foundation lies in the heart of the Bible itself]
This is your ultimate failing. You claim to have objective proof, but then all you can point to is the Bible; a book so riddled with errors that it is laughably absurd. A book that endorses slavery and genocide; a book that speaks of talking snakes, suicidal demon-possessed pigs, and a population bottleneck of two individuals for all humanity. How am I to take this seriously?
(12) However, Christianity is not about offering unreasonable subjective considerations; it is not about offering relativism, nor even collectivism: Comparable to a fruit salad toss-up, with a little bit of this or a little bit of that--and a little bit of Jesus thrown in just for good measure. Christianity (true biblical orthodox) is not about "warm squishy feelings in my guts--hardly compelling doncha think?"
(11) Sorry but...You Christians, (you say Sir) "cannot form convictions on the feelings in [your] chests." Convictions being determined by the feelings in our chests...only?? Convictions by means of irrationality? This is not a very good definition of Christianity. You left an important part out: Reason. The blue-hatted preacher enters the scene promoting an unreasonable kind of faith, according to you. Is this somehow characteristically conclusive just because you say so?
(10) Our worldview doesn't depend upon objective psychological contemplations or statistics, or sociological factors, or peer pressure, or man's autonomy and personal desires to ascertain truth and reality. Our worldview depends upon God alone and what He says, irrespective of personal feelings and opinions, predilections or prejudices! Our worldview is God-centered.
(9) In the closing remark on my channel, you said to me, "But hey, if truth is not all that important to you, then keep on believing." Okay, what we have here are two worldviews at a clash. The kind of "truth" you are promoting is your own worldview. Your psychological opinions set forth very objectively in all of your videos demonstrate that your opinions are, or at least point to, your perception of truth and reality, concluding with man at center.
(8) Sir, honestly: you cannot effectively differentiate between these specific religions and draw a conclusion about Truth merely through VERY long periods of contemplation! Truth does not depend ONLY upon personal contemplation. We can sit back and reflect deeply about the order of the universe, ponder Newtons 3 Laws of motion, and ruminate over this opinion or that opinion about whatever to satisfy our own personal predilections--all without getting any closer to the Truth.
(7) But...wait a sec! A problem arises. From an outsiders opinion, how can Christians be correct in their beliefs about God over that of Muslims? How about the Jews? 'This is, after all,' they reason, 'a matter of Truth and this requires a matter of proof, right?' Okay, what's the next step here? Serious contemplation followed by decision, concluded by conclusion resulting in Truth?
(6) My hope is to give "flat-Earthers" as you call them, good reasons for believing in Jesus Christ, who claimed exclusively in His Word to be THE TRUTH and the ONLY TRUTH, and the ONLY way in which souls can be saved, irrespective of the Muslim faith which upholds not the same.
(5) ACX: Well Sir, it's good to read your appreciation of a sincere discussion, given that I was anticipating insult. I thank my God that He has so purposed this, and glorify Him for it! This will be one long conclusive argument, as your comments touch on several factors, and I have been analyzing them so as to ascertain how best they should be answered, that my words might bring glory to my God, and be a means of promoting His Gospel.
(4) O you mocker: We Christians will not be fooled out of our hope, nor jested out of our peace! We cannot find anyone like our God to trust to, and so we will not depart from Him, by His grace, come what may, even till we see Him face to face!
(3)..This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is from Me, says the LORD." I would not were I you Sir, mock the people of God, for it will go hard with you who make us choice of such unhallowed mirth! O you skeptic: "The wicked plots against the just, and gnashes at him with his teeth. The LORD laughs at him, for He sees that his day is coming." Ultimately, the laugh's on you Sir!
(2) Let him consider these words: As a man is generally much grieved with anyone who injures his children, so as for the striking of them by another he is most incensed! He simply will not look on and just watch the abuse. So it is with God! It pleases Him not to see your abuse of Christians. He responds to such men of your state Sir in this way, by telling us Christians: "No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn...
(1) ACX: I was watching and thinking over your vid., and am compelled to tell you that you are in a very grievous position. However weak or silly a Christian might be to you, it is detrimental to your eternal state Sir, to mock them. While your skeptic might meanly throw a Holy Bible at a Preacher, thus doing him an injury, let now this skeptic pause and consider what he has just done.
I appreciate the sincere discussion, and I would like to respond with the following:
If you are correct in your beliefs about God, then yes, I am in a very grievous position. However, if the Muslims are correct in their view, then BOTH of us are in grievous positions. This is why I spent a very long time contemplating the issue, and I can assure I do not take this position lightly. Yet in the end, I had no choice but to conclude that the Christian faith is without merit.
So the real question I have for you is, on what physical basis do you hold your beliefs to be true? It is not enough to just have faith and quote scripture. You have to physically demonstrate the veracity of your beliefs, or else they are indistinguishable from made-up fantasies.
Now I could be wrong in this, but you have to physically prove it. Otherwise, we are well-justified in our "mockery" for the same reasons you would show no respect to a flat-Earther.
Great song, really enjoy able. But I hope you don't mind, but I do not totally agree with you.
I agree, there is no proof for faith, but that is the reason why sience and faith can go hand in hand. Sience is the proof of thing you can see, feel, hear and smell. Faith is something you have (or don't), but it is invissble and it is in your head. There is no one faith and no superior faith, but it is there, and many people find confort in it.
In case you are wondering I am not Christian, and I do not persé belief in God, but I do think (or maby just hope) there is something more to live than just live it self.
I will give an example; The Big Bang. I just can't believe that out of nothing there just was one big bang. Because nothing comes form nothing. And that is when I think maby just maby the big bang was created by a greater beiing.
Oh, it's a parody of 'Ghost Riders In The Sky' By Johnny Cash. One of the few country western songs I like. The 'Devil Went Down to Georgia' By Charlie Daniels is good too. The man sure can fiddle! :D
morgannicgregor 1 month ago
cured cancer? what diffrence does it make, if god wants you to die, you die.
fucking athiest idiots with limited brains.
brief555 1 month ago
@brief555
He is welcome to try.
AntiCitizenX 1 month ago
@AntiCitizenX
who is? and try what?
brief555 1 month ago
@brief555
God is welcome to try and kill me. In fact, I dare him. Bring it on.
AntiCitizenX 1 month ago
@AntiCitizenX
So basicly what you are saying. You will live for ever? and are a mortal?
nice......
brief555 1 month ago
@brief555
For crying out loud... do I really have to spell this out?
If I die, it will be due to natural causes. If I get sick, medical professionals will treat me.
AntiCitizenX 1 month ago 6
@AntiCitizenX
I bet you are interested what happens after death? What ever happens it will be to late for anything then m8 ;)
brief555 1 month ago
@brief555 I'm as interested in that as I am about what happened before I was conceived/developed consciousness/was born/archived my first memories. Do you worry about that too?
ScrewballB 1 month ago
@brief555 The same think happens after death that happened before life. Tell me, how bad were things before you were born?
Kariakas 1 month ago
@brief555 *LMAO* The atheists aren't the ones with the limited brains -- To quote Thunderf00t 'Science, it works bitches!'....
morgannicgregor 1 month ago
Ive read the comment sections and man is it full of projection,. Its pretty hilarious, and would be even funnier if it were on the video on projection.
kittyloaf 7 months ago
just came back to watching this after a couple of months, its so legendary well done man
westhamhaz 1 year ago
Great song! Would have loved improved sound quality though :/
TheConcolor 1 year ago
@TheConcolor there fb page has a better copy
charkopolis 6 months ago
great song funny video thanks!
sorrysonofa 1 year ago
lol <3 debates... if anyone takes time to read this... look up "Earths forbidden secrets" it will change EVERYthing guaranteed if your open minded... its a free book!
vash890 1 year ago
"If reason is our guiding star and knowledge is our quest/we cannot form convictions on the feelings in our chest."
That's my favorite part. Awesome song!
KaraRvn 1 year ago 2
Nice song.
stevehayes13 1 year ago
This is an awesome song! I keep listening to it.
I particularly love "For our nature is deceitful and our world is full of lies,
and truth is far more precious than a kingdom in the skies."
STFUNOWlol 1 year ago 5
See "Phil Plait: Don't Be a Dick" on vimeo videos.
rriverstone1 1 year ago
You were doing fine 'til you hit the preacher with the Bible. A person who is right doesn't need violence to prove it.
rriverstone1 1 year ago
@rriverstone1
Are really so sensitive that a brief moment of slapstick comedy offends you that much?
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago
I'm skeptical of your world-view, but you keep preaching atheism without proof.
DetectiveTackett 1 year ago
@DetectiveTackett
Please don't tell me you failed to understand the simple concept of "burden of proof."
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago
@AntiCitizenX "Please don't tell me you failed to understand the simple concept of 'burden of proof.' "
I get it; not sure you do.
Your belief system has just as much burden of proof as any other belief system. And you do not provide any proof or evidence. You just assume that your assumptions must be true.
DetectiveTackett 1 year ago
@DetectiveTackett
"Your belief system has just as much burden of proof as any other belief system."
What belief system are you referring to? I can only assume you mean atheism, in which case I would tell you that rejection of a claim is not a "belief system" any more than "not collecting stamps" is my hobby. But since you're a smart guy, you would already know that, and I don't have to get bogged down by explaining basic epistemology to you, right?
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago 2
@AntiCitizenX "... I don't have to get bogged down by explaining basic epistemology to you, right?"
Since your epistemology is part of your belief system, maybe you *should* explain it.
In any case, rejecting a claim may not be a belief system, but it certainly reflects a belief system. In your belief system, is seems reasonable to reject X, while in another belief system it does not seem reasonable.
DetectiveTackett 1 year ago
@DetectiveTackett I agree you with Tackett. However, I think you don't fully understand athiest. They don't need to adhere to a coherent theology or even to a science. They only wish to hold others accountable to what they percieve as falsehoods in their faiths. What's going on is..you are asking him to follow the same standard he applies to you. He is responding, "I am the athiest, I don't have to". I haven't met an athiest that isn't a narcissist. Your line of reasoning won't work.
Here2ownU 1 year ago
@Here2ownU
Narcissist, huh? And why is that? Because the burden of proof is not a symmetric concept? Okay, fine. If that's how you want to play, I will disprove God for you:
The lack of empirical and positively-indicative evidence in favor of God is sufficient justification to reject the assertion of God's existence.
QED
The onus is now on you to demonstrate an empirical indication for the existence of God. Show me what ya got.
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago
@AntiCitizenX In your effort to retort, you have validated my critique. That being, you don't feel the need to prove your position, you only want others to prove theirs. Do you honestly believe that your statement actaully disproves God? Silly at best. Only a narcissist would think that. You have made my point.
Here2ownU 1 year ago
@Here2ownU
Perhaps I am not making myself clear, so let me say it again loud and clear:
THE ONUS IS NOT ON ME TO PROVE A NEGATIVE YOU MORON!!!!
I have provided you with my justification for not believing. Arbitrarily declaring that I am a narcissist who failed to disprove God does nothing to address the explanation I just provided you. If that is how you sincerely look at the world, then I demand you prove to me the non-existence of Allah, Thor, Krishna, Shiva, and Moroni.
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago
@AntiCitizenX You and I are saying the same thing. We may have come to different conclusions about the existence of God, but we both agree that you do not stand for a position that needs to be proven. That was my exact point to Detective Tackett. His approach in demanding that you be held to the same standard of proof is off. If you reread my post to him you'll see that. You are only responding in your traditional manner to me because you are angry and not clear in thought.
Here2ownU 1 year ago
@Here2ownU Reading the thread, it's understandable why Anti cold be upset. You implied he was a narcissist by saying something like "never met an atheist who wasn't" and because all atheists are narcissistic, they use the same logical rejection of a religious claim. Anti responded with narcissistic-free reasoning to why he is an atheist. So, at this point, I imagine he might be angry since you haven't responded to those points (whether you agree or disagree).
charkopolis 1 year ago
@Here2ownU
I offered you a perfectly reasonable proof of my position by explaining why it is justifiable to reject the theistic position. You then went on to claim that atheists are narcissistic because apparently in your mind a lack of evidence for God is not an adequate disproof of his existence. So again, I do not have to "disprove" God directly. I only need to explain why a positive belief in God is without merit. That is not narcissistic in any way.
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago
@AntiCitizenX My original comment was directed at Detective Tackett. I was basically encourageing him not to waste his time on you. So why would I? I have a family to attend to a job with a great deal of pressure. Sorry AntiCitizen, this thread simply is not important enough for me to pursue and I just don't have the time as I prefer to research thoroughly when posting in detail. Best of wishes to you.
Here2ownU 1 year ago
@Here2ownU
You obviously weren't too busy chime in on my forum and make blanket statements about atheistic narcissism, so please don't insult us with the whole "I have a busy life" bullshit. Everyone here has jobs. You're just bugging out because you apparently have nothing intelligible to offer to the conversation. I have provided you the justification you asked for, but you don't want to address the uncomfortable concept that religious belief is irrational.
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago
@DetectiveTackett
But hey, if you really want "proof," go watch my "Psychology of Belief" series.
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago 2
@DetectiveTackett Is somebody who tells a child that monsters don't exist preaching amonsterism without proof?
procritic09 1 year ago
This is my favorite song. Thank you for uploading it and putting together the awesome slideshow.
KaraRvn 1 year ago
@KaraRvn
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
AntiCitizenX 1 year ago
Well, seems like you guys have this inane mythologist well in hand.
*--Exmech2: holsters his "Skeptic Arms .45 Cal Anti-Delusion six-shooter--*
Remember, hold the lasso tight when you get it 'round his neck. These deluded mythologists can buck purtty good.
*--Waves--*
I'm off into the sunset. Good hunting, pardners!
Exmech2 2 years ago
@Exmech2
lolZ...
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
(12) "Regrowing a severed limb is sufficient for this cause. If, however, your deity cannot perform such an act, then omnipotence is beyond the being which now seems to follow the constraints of physical laws." In other words, what I think you're saying is:
-An omnipotent God would heal amputees.
-Amputees are not healed.
-Therefore, an omnipotent God does not existam I right?
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(11) The Greek word for "perfect" is "teleion" related to the word "telescope" from the English, giving the example of something fully extended. Now this doesn't mean that God is unfair. Nor does this mean that the Bible is wrong because God decided to withdraw that special endowment. This is why we Christians cannot "perform miracles on demand." However, ACX Sir: this does not conclude that our Bible is untrue!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
[ACX Sir: this does not conclude that our Bible is untrue!]
Actually, it does. The Bible makes a very unambiguous promise that through faith you may perform miracles. You admit that you cannot perform miracles on demand. Therefore, the words contained in the Bible are in error. QED.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
No, you are being foolish. You want to misinterpret the Scriptures because by doing so you are able to officially substantiate your mockery of Miracles and Prayer. If you honestly admit to misinterpreting the Scriptures to suit your own prejudices you would then have to admit that your mockery is unjustifiable, and simply evil. Therefore, you cannot do this as this would put you in a bind.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(10) Why? It's because they don't share that special relationship with God. Now the reason why it is impossible for Christians today to perform the same kinds of Miracles (such as healing an amputee's limb through prayer) is because God has declared that special endowment done away with. God Himself has taken away that gift. He says: "When that which is perfect has come [His Word established in writing] then that which is in part will be done away." (I Cor. 13.10)
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
[ God has declared that special endowment done away with. ]
That is not what the text says, and you know it. You are imposing your own preferential interpretation onto the text to rationalize the fact that the words contained in it are demonstrably bogus.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
This is what the text says and I know it. I am imposing my own faithful declaration of God's Truth as it has been spoken onto the text of the Bible to rationalize the fact that the words contained in it are demonstratively true.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
Mark 11:24
"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."
These words are not open to interpretation. Jesus himself speaks these words with virtually no exceptions or strings attached. Faith plus prayer equals miracles. Period.
You call yourself a Christian, but you don't even believe the words of Christ himself.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
No, this verse is in context with the entire chapter of Mark and this verse is spoken by Jesus to His disciples exclusively who were given this gift of Miracle working by Jesus Himself, in accordance with His Holy Spirit, in order that His disciples might carry on that direct revelation of Jesus to unbelievers/Jews, Greeks/Gentiles, until God's desired revelation was made known in writing.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
[ this verse is spoken by Jesus to His disciples exclusively]
You want to play this game? Fine...
Mark 11:23
"For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith."
When Christ says "whosoever," he is not being exclusive. Do not pretend to lecture me on what you obviously have not read.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
"So Jesus answered and said to them, [THEM: His Disciples--EXCLUSIVELY] Have faith in God. For assuredly I say to you, whoever says..." --Christ is speaking to His Disciples exclusively: His Disciples being twelve Sir! Sir! Passage context is very important!!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
You are confusing the fact that the disciples were the only ones around at the moment as an indicator that the words applied to them alone. There is nothing in any translation of the Bible to indicate that Christ is being exclusive here, and you are deliberately inserting your own interpretation into a very plain text.
You are really the sorriest excuse for a Christian ever. You would rather butcher the literal meaning of the words rather than demonstrate their veracity.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
Sir, it's right there in black ink! (Mark 11:20-24) Jesus is speaking exclusively to His Disciples in the morning as they were passing by a dried up fig tree. Jesus is walking and talking with His Disciples. You can't just take one or two verses and construe what you might THINK it means--no, you must first look at the context in which those verses are surrounded, by examining the entire CHAPTER!! Context is VERY important Sir!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
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["Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."] This verse is for Christians, and it means a spiritual thing, asked according to God's will. This you cannot understand because God's Holy Spirit is denied you. You would take this verse and ask according to your own sinful lusts. We Christians take this verse and ask according to God's will and purpose alone. We are dependent upon God, you are dependent upon self.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
The Word of the cross (The Gospel Message we Christians preach) is foolishness to you. God's revelation of His Gospel contained in His Word so saturated in history is enough to bring even the most vile, wicked, unrepentant sinners to their knees before Him. You are the one in the grievously deluded state, ACX. Satan the god of this world has blinded you from the reality of knowing the soul-saving truth that Jesus Christ alone offers for sinners.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
Repent of your sins Sir, and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ! Satan cannot save you, he will destroy you! Christ does and can save sinners! Ask honestly for reasoned proofs of the validity of the Christian faith, and they will be given to you, and willingly! Take these facts, proofs and evidences and examine them honestly for yourself, without bias and following them all the way to where they lead, and discover that the Truth they point to is valid!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
Christ himself says that miracles should be a snap if only you believe. Since you cannot demonstrate a miracle on demand, that must mean you do not believe. The fact that you preach at me anyway therefore makes you a liar and a hypocrite.
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
No, you are making your word's Christ's, and that is blasphemous. If Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light to pervert the truth of the Gospel, so can you. But this doesn't make God's Word untrue. As Michael said, when he contended with the devil, but knowing that the LORD would bring condemnation upon the devil in due time: "The LORD rebuke you!"
My LORD says: "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah."
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
[The fact that you preach at me anyway therefore makes you a liar and a hypocrite.]
I call you yourself into question Sir. "Where is the wise! Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" While you call me a liar and hypocrite for speaking the truth and expounding upon Mark 11:20-24 faithfully so that you might know (He who has an ear to hear, let him hear!) its context--would you be justified for taking Scripture out of context? No.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
Fine, prove me wrong. Perform a miracle on demand. Stop re-inventing the Bible and demonstrate your true belief by performing a miracle.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
not the first time a Christian has interpolated to make it say what he wants it to.
mandangalo18 2 years ago
@mandangalo18
No, respectfully I disagree. I do not insert words into biblical texts often falsifying them thereby. The gift of Miracle working was just one amazing part of the entire New Testament Gospel revelation. But the gift of Miracle working was done away with after that amazing revelation came to be written down!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
" But the gift of Miracle working was done away with after that amazing revelation came to be written down!"
So... since you admit that this "miracle working" is over and done with, why do YOU still believe in this crap? Isn't it time to move on?
Exmech2 2 years ago
Hi, I believe it because it's the Truth. No one should "move on". God has revealed His Truth in such ways that all men have a knowledge of it though they refuse to confess it with their mouths, and give Him the glory. God IS.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
Well, if it is, indeed, "truth", then you should be able to verify this with evidence. What is your evidence?
Exmech2 2 years ago
Hi, thanks for your comment...chk inbox...
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
are you saying that when you read the Bible you know that God is good and Satan is bad because the Bible tells you?
mandangalo18 2 years ago
Yep! :|
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
so you're a presuppasitionalist?
mandangalo18 2 years ago
Yep. It starts with God. God IS.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
and that's the logical fallacy of the stolen concept
mandangalo18 2 years ago
Please expound upon that. I don't understand it...thanks. :)
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
With respect, I've never heard of the "logical fallacy of the stolen concept" before. What is it? Thanks. I guess I could just LIU ("Look It Up").
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
Got it, thanks! :)
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
The Bible is true because God says the Bible is true because God says the Bible is true ....
Notice the infinite loop here?
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
apparently that's Ok with presuppasitional apologetics. They actually came up with a formalized system for question begging, straw manning, wishful thinking and evading the burden of proof. Just say that your epistemological axioms are the bible and God, and you can say that question begging is OK too! It necessarily leads to informal fallacys of linguistics, but that's never stopped anyone.
mandangalo18 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX :|
Absolutely. Your absolute statement absolutely rings true. It continues to loop all the way through history, and will continue to infinitely circumnavigate all the way till judgment day.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@Fiat
Umm... two words fo you to consider: Coherent Argument. You've displayed many examples of appeal, cilcular logic, and false dilemma fallacies. It was bad. Worse, you still did not prove the bible was "truth". Try agin? But this time try to make a real argument.
Exmech2 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
take your own advice
mandangalo18 2 years ago
@mandangalo18
Hi, about what?
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
Take these facts, proofs and evidences and examine them honestly for yourself, without bias and following them all the way to where they lead, and discover that the Truth they point to is valid!
that part
mandangalo18 2 years ago
@mandangalo18
Hi. Thanks for your comment. What part about my comment makes you skeptical? Skepticism regarding issues of truth are certainly understandable, but not justifiable when skepticism goes beyond skepticism into blatant mockery. This is the implication of my comment (you quoted). Mockery of the Christian religion is not justifiable when a person who does so has only commenced to do so merely for personal prejudices, not for the result of considering the facts and evidences...
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
I've spent my time examining the Christian religions thank you very much. The facts have not met the onus to justify any kind of rational belief in the claims.
mandangalo18 2 years ago
any worldview that relies on the primacy of metaphysical subjectivity is worthy of mockery.
mandangalo18 2 years ago
I disagree. :|
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
[any worldview that relies on the primacy of metaphysical subjectivity is worthy of mockery]
Wow, that was very poetic! :)
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
[Mockery of the Christian religion is not justifiable when a person who does so has only commenced to do so merely for personal prejudices, not for the result of considering the facts and evidences...]
Let's see, you believe in talking snakes, a population bottleneck of two individuals for humanity, bears mauling children for teasing a bald guy, and diverse languages poofing into existence all at once. Sounds like mockery material to me.
*Pointing finger:* BAHAHAHAHAA!!
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
:|
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@mandangalo18
...honestly, to accept where they might lead.
This is why I say 'follow the facts honestly and without bias.' I meant being willing to examine facts. The Christian religion is very unique in that it offers knowledge of truth and hope of salvation in such a unique, exclusive way. But it's not so much facts as it is the God who testifies of Himself by making these facts known!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1 satan is god
excandersham 2 years ago
@excandersham
Hi. Yes and no. Yes, he is the god of this world. He is an evil spirit and devil as the Bible calls him. No though, he is not the all powerful, omniscience, omnipotent God of the universe and author of the Bible. If Satan had the same power as God, there would be no God, no Christians, and no hope.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1 How do you know any knowledge you seem to think you have of god is not satans deception?
excandersham 2 years ago
That's a good question, thanks for your comment. The reason I can say "I know" for a certainty that God is not Satan's deception is because God sent His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, to die for sinners! To self-sacrifice (unselfishly) Himself, to give Himself willingly to death out of love for sinners, to pay that sin-penalty for them that they might have hope and salvation...
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
NO you think that occured because it is in the bible but i said how can you know the bible is not a lie
You cannot say God exists unless you have an alternative source besides the bible which could be fiction
excandersham 2 years ago
...But Satan can't and wouldn't do this. Satan is depicted in the Bible as the father of lies and the deceiver, hating sinners and continually seeking to destroy them. He hates God and Gods people. He hates good as he hates those who do good. This is completely contrary to Gods most Holy, good, and just nature as is revealed in His Word the Bible. God cannot lie.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
ooo evidence? do tell
mandangalo18 2 years ago
Okay, the question I have for you is...are you really honestly interested in "evidence" or are you simply in jest? ? :|
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
I am a freethinker. If I am demonstrated to be wrong, I HAVE to change my position.
mandangalo18 2 years ago
I am a rational thinker. I cannot be demonstrated to be wrong (in regards to Truth), because the Truth is not dependent upon me and my personal predilections or preferences. It is dependent upon God and what He says. God speaks to me in His Word the Bible. The Bible cannot be proven to be wrong. I can offer evidence for this assertion...if you'd like.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
So even if reality contradicted the bible it would still be correct?
excandersham 2 years ago
Hey. Thanks for your comments. Chk. inbox...apologise if the same message went thru twice. :\
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
[The Bible cannot be proven to be wrong]
Wow, yet another classic case of "I'm right, period!" Do you not even have room for the slightest possibility that what you believe is in error? Because really guy, you're just an arrogant moron if this is how you view the world.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX
...Are you wanting a note discussion of some sort? I'm willing to discuss and offer proofs for my faith, but I don't think you truly want them--at least to examine them honestly...I think you would rather mock them...and call me names--really, how justifiably fair is that?
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
By your own admission, you refuse to even admit the possibility of error in your beliefs. How am I supposed to treat you when openly tout your own closed-mindedness as a badge of honor?
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
I would love to have a real discussion with you, but time and time again you proclaim absolute certainty about your beliefs, as if your own mere human faculties could not possibly be wrong. So really, you have no intention of discussing anything, but instead simply want to preach at me under the a priori assumption that you're right and I'm wrong no matter what.
The really appalling part is that you then have the nerve to act all sensitive when we mock you for this.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
Whatever satan is depicted in the bible and how god is depicted it is irrelevant if it is a lie or fiction please show how you know the bible is not fiction
and i will not accept faith because that isnt a reasonable position
excandersham 2 years ago
(9) You see, it is the concern of Christians that God's will be done in all things that makes them look so foolish to an unbelieving world. This kind of relationship toward God is reserved only for Christians, and it is special. It stands to reason that the uniqueness of Christian prayer would be mocked and scoffed at by an unbelieving people because they cannot understand it!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(8) The ability to perform these kinds of miracles was reserved for the disciples in Jesus' day, and it was to them exclusively He spoke (Mark 11:24). This verse also has spiritual implications in that it meant the disciples were to ask according to Gods will and purpose alone.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(7) The purpose of the gift of miracle-working was to give Christians the written Scriptures, that is, the Bible. Miracles were always associated with revelation to prove that the messenger/s was/were sent by God.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(6) Thirdly, if God does exist, than miracles are possible, and He can and does still perform them!...which of course leads straight back to Mark 11:24!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(5) First off, we must tackle the ageless question of whether or not God really exists. Secondly, if He does exist, (and we Christians believe He does) He is most certainly not at our disposal, as this is very evident in His Word, the Bible. Whatever He wills, and however He wills to perform His works is independent of our personal desires. Christians understand this concept, but unbelievers can't.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(4) Examining facts is one light in the tunnel, and God's Holy Spirit is the other: it works in the soul to render facts believable. Ultimately the question of whether or not a "deity" that is, as we Christians say, "God" can or cannot perform such an act of Miracle, is certainly a good question, but it leaves something wanting.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(3) If a person is not open to reason, is already so opposed against the possibility of seeking for Truth in the Christian worldview, is not willing to go that extra mile so to speak, conducting his/her own honest research/examine the Bible/ask honest questions, then that person cannot expect to ever possibly find it, and must then resort to mocking "those silly Christians" because they have honestly found it.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(2) Only by looking at this passage honestly can we ascertain what it really implies, and not add or subtract to it in order that we might somehow justify our personal predilections or prejudices. Only by looking at it honestly and without bias can we understand its literal meaning. I say honest because it's crucial.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@thkaal1
(1) No, with respect, the only "defense" of Mark 11:24 is through specific demonstration of its context which involves expounding upon its literal meaning, as contained in the entire passage of Scripture, and how it relates to the truth of the Bible as a whole, without it needing particular reliance upon "scientific rationale".
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@thkaal1
How come?
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
Are those 2 shades of grey really the same in this video?
I just cant see it:(
or was that an example of a lie?
excandersham 2 years ago
@excandersham
Cover up the surrounding tiles with your fingers so that they cannot bias your perspective. Then you'll see they are actually the same color.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
oh wow cool ty
excandersham 2 years ago
the limb could be metaphorical
excandersham 2 years ago
5 stars for the lyrics and song
mandangalo18 2 years ago
Delete and spam my comments if you must, ACX, but regardless: Christian Truth will always boldly speak out, even if it means to rebuke mockers! I hope that God in His great mercy will humble you.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(18) The Bible at court once again! Will it be judged and found wanting? No! It has passed through more fires than this! Will it be discarded and stamped untrue merely for one more prejudiced verdict of an unbelieving autonomous man? No! For look there! And here: I still see many Christians! Oh, what a marvelous thing this is! We Christians laud: "This is the LORDs doing--it is marvelous in our eyes!" Will our Bible stand? Yes it shall!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
Okay, fine. Put your faith where your mouth is. I challenge you to read Mark 11:24 and demonstrate the Bible's veracity by healing a single amputee. This is your big chance to unequivocally demonstrate the truth of the Bible. But if you fail, you have to acknowledge that the words of the Bible are not representative of reality. Do we have a deal?
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
@AntiCitizenX why bother responding this guy is just copy pasting this
excandersham 2 years ago
Are there other forums where he posts this drivel? If so, then that's just spamming and I'll block him.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
Hello. Interesting comment. With respect though, I'm speaking in my own words, thanks. :)
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
I was under the impression you are copy/pasting the same words to other forums, which would be spamming. If these are your words, then you are free to continue.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
Thank you.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
Yes Sir, I do. I'm very familiar with Mark 11:24, and I would be delighted to demonstrate my Bible's veracity by physically demonstrating Mark 11:24 to you. If I fail to physically demonstrate Mark 11:24, I'll confess to being unable to prove the truth of the Bible. How shall this be conducted then? Would you care to orchestrate a time for a video chat Sir? I'm most willing.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
Do you honestly think that through the application of prayer you will be able to regrow a lost limb?
Okay, fine. Here are the terms:
Track down a man with a missing leg that has been severed above the knee. Get his permission to pray over him. Then on camera, perform the ritual prayer of your choice. If the man's leg regrows within one month of your prayer and is restored to full functionality, I will join your church. If not, you must publicly declare that the Bible is bogus.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
Sir, you are expanding the terms here. I specifically said I would physically demonstrate Mark 11:24 to YOU. That is, I want to physically demonstrate this passage by expounding upon the meaning of it with you on video chat. If you noticed in my last comment, I never agreed to the demonstration of the physical application of prayer to regrow an amputee's limb. No, I wanted to physically demonstrate the actual meaning of this PASSAGE. You do not understand it Sir, and I want to defend it.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
[ I want to physically demonstrate this passage by expounding upon the meaning of it with you on video chat.]
I am not interested in watching you butcher the literal meaning of the text. The words are very clear. Prayer plus faith yields miracles. If you cannot demonstrate this by performing a legitimate miracle on demand, then the Bible is wrong.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
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(17) You mocker: I do have objective proofs to offer. I broke off before offering them to ascertain your possible response. Now I must defend my Bible against your "I don't like it" claims. This is where you really reveal yourself, for as I assumed, this is not a question of what might be Truth, this is a question of personal prejudices...
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
Do not just proclaim God, but DEMONSTRATE him. Use prayer to heal an amputee. Mark 11:24 specifically says you can do this. If you are so cock-sure of your beliefs, then do not be afraid to prove them. Otherwise, you the words in the Bible are demonstrably false, and you are just another miserable fool clinging do his delusion.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
(16) This is how we Christians define mockers. A mocker says in his heart, "No God for me, thanks!" It's this God that's the question, not the "merits" or "unmerits" of religions. Mere contemplation doesnt cut it, sorry. It's this God of the Bible....(brief intermission: on to proofs!)
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(15) This is very cruel and unmerited, no matter how "silly" we Christians might appear to be. Is this gentleman's position justifiable? No, it isn't. Why not? It stems from personal predilections. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the question of Christianity being true. Instead it has everything to do with not wanting to be held accountable to the kind of God Christianity proclaims: His laws and governance.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(14) So...what merit DOES the Christian faith have? Is it credible? Absolutely!!! And it DOES have merit! This is exciting--but I'm jumping ahead of myself. Okay...but then this gentleman walks up and drops his glass on the floor with this statement: "I had no choice but to conclude that the Christian faith is without merit." Okay...very well then, he concludes to mock it, pointing out the seemingly erroneous nature of its belief, even to the point of belittling those who embrace it.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(13) Nope. It's about objective proof and reasoned convictions: its foundation lies in the heart of the Bible itself. With good reason do Christians sing these words from Edward Mote's Hymn: "On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand." This is the key that unlocks Truth from falsity, reality from unreality!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
[ It's about objective proof and reasoned convictions: its foundation lies in the heart of the Bible itself]
This is your ultimate failing. You claim to have objective proof, but then all you can point to is the Bible; a book so riddled with errors that it is laughably absurd. A book that endorses slavery and genocide; a book that speaks of talking snakes, suicidal demon-possessed pigs, and a population bottleneck of two individuals for all humanity. How am I to take this seriously?
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
(12) However, Christianity is not about offering unreasonable subjective considerations; it is not about offering relativism, nor even collectivism: Comparable to a fruit salad toss-up, with a little bit of this or a little bit of that--and a little bit of Jesus thrown in just for good measure. Christianity (true biblical orthodox) is not about "warm squishy feelings in my guts--hardly compelling doncha think?"
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(11) Sorry but...You Christians, (you say Sir) "cannot form convictions on the feelings in [your] chests." Convictions being determined by the feelings in our chests...only?? Convictions by means of irrationality? This is not a very good definition of Christianity. You left an important part out: Reason. The blue-hatted preacher enters the scene promoting an unreasonable kind of faith, according to you. Is this somehow characteristically conclusive just because you say so?
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(10) Our worldview doesn't depend upon objective psychological contemplations or statistics, or sociological factors, or peer pressure, or man's autonomy and personal desires to ascertain truth and reality. Our worldview depends upon God alone and what He says, irrespective of personal feelings and opinions, predilections or prejudices! Our worldview is God-centered.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(9) In the closing remark on my channel, you said to me, "But hey, if truth is not all that important to you, then keep on believing." Okay, what we have here are two worldviews at a clash. The kind of "truth" you are promoting is your own worldview. Your psychological opinions set forth very objectively in all of your videos demonstrate that your opinions are, or at least point to, your perception of truth and reality, concluding with man at center.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(8) Sir, honestly: you cannot effectively differentiate between these specific religions and draw a conclusion about Truth merely through VERY long periods of contemplation! Truth does not depend ONLY upon personal contemplation. We can sit back and reflect deeply about the order of the universe, ponder Newtons 3 Laws of motion, and ruminate over this opinion or that opinion about whatever to satisfy our own personal predilections--all without getting any closer to the Truth.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(7) But...wait a sec! A problem arises. From an outsiders opinion, how can Christians be correct in their beliefs about God over that of Muslims? How about the Jews? 'This is, after all,' they reason, 'a matter of Truth and this requires a matter of proof, right?' Okay, what's the next step here? Serious contemplation followed by decision, concluded by conclusion resulting in Truth?
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(6) My hope is to give "flat-Earthers" as you call them, good reasons for believing in Jesus Christ, who claimed exclusively in His Word to be THE TRUTH and the ONLY TRUTH, and the ONLY way in which souls can be saved, irrespective of the Muslim faith which upholds not the same.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(5) ACX: Well Sir, it's good to read your appreciation of a sincere discussion, given that I was anticipating insult. I thank my God that He has so purposed this, and glorify Him for it! This will be one long conclusive argument, as your comments touch on several factors, and I have been analyzing them so as to ascertain how best they should be answered, that my words might bring glory to my God, and be a means of promoting His Gospel.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(4) O you mocker: We Christians will not be fooled out of our hope, nor jested out of our peace! We cannot find anyone like our God to trust to, and so we will not depart from Him, by His grace, come what may, even till we see Him face to face!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(3)..This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is from Me, says the LORD." I would not were I you Sir, mock the people of God, for it will go hard with you who make us choice of such unhallowed mirth! O you skeptic: "The wicked plots against the just, and gnashes at him with his teeth. The LORD laughs at him, for He sees that his day is coming." Ultimately, the laugh's on you Sir!
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(2) Let him consider these words: As a man is generally much grieved with anyone who injures his children, so as for the striking of them by another he is most incensed! He simply will not look on and just watch the abuse. So it is with God! It pleases Him not to see your abuse of Christians. He responds to such men of your state Sir in this way, by telling us Christians: "No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn...
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
(1) ACX: I was watching and thinking over your vid., and am compelled to tell you that you are in a very grievous position. However weak or silly a Christian might be to you, it is detrimental to your eternal state Sir, to mock them. While your skeptic might meanly throw a Holy Bible at a Preacher, thus doing him an injury, let now this skeptic pause and consider what he has just done.
FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
@FiatluxGen1
I appreciate the sincere discussion, and I would like to respond with the following:
If you are correct in your beliefs about God, then yes, I am in a very grievous position. However, if the Muslims are correct in their view, then BOTH of us are in grievous positions. This is why I spent a very long time contemplating the issue, and I can assure I do not take this position lightly. Yet in the end, I had no choice but to conclude that the Christian faith is without merit.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
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So the real question I have for you is, on what physical basis do you hold your beliefs to be true? It is not enough to just have faith and quote scripture. You have to physically demonstrate the veracity of your beliefs, or else they are indistinguishable from made-up fantasies.
Now I could be wrong in this, but you have to physically prove it. Otherwise, we are well-justified in our "mockery" for the same reasons you would show no respect to a flat-Earther.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
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FiatluxGen1 2 years ago
Fucking EPIC.
ChristopherConnors 2 years ago
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I love it! Already subscribed, thanks to agnosticman77.
You might like to check out my collection of atheist videos on my channel - yours is the latest!
farvision 2 years ago
ROFLMAO!! Hey, your Jesus looks suspiciously like Chuck Norris.
averagebear1 2 years ago
LOL.
So I'm watching all your videos, every one. :)
hilarious.
misslipstickvogue 2 years ago
Great song, really enjoy able. But I hope you don't mind, but I do not totally agree with you.
I agree, there is no proof for faith, but that is the reason why sience and faith can go hand in hand. Sience is the proof of thing you can see, feel, hear and smell. Faith is something you have (or don't), but it is invissble and it is in your head. There is no one faith and no superior faith, but it is there, and many people find confort in it.
Strijdparel 2 years ago
In case you are wondering I am not Christian, and I do not persé belief in God, but I do think (or maby just hope) there is something more to live than just live it self.
I will give an example; The Big Bang. I just can't believe that out of nothing there just was one big bang. Because nothing comes form nothing. And that is when I think maby just maby the big bang was created by a greater beiing.
Strijdparel 2 years ago