How about using hemp instead and then your food prices wouldn't be affected. Plus hemp can be used to make more then two thousand other products and will save cutting down trees.
@sardakur ..... if they are growing hemp they will still be using the land for something other than food won't they ,,, land on which food used to be grown ..... unless you want to clear more forests to create new land on which to grow your hemp. There is no free lunch. People keep forgetting the hidden costs as well as the negative side effects.
I also do not believe the message that there's a WIDESPREAD OR LONG TERM problem of using corn for corn-based ethanol, instead of strictly for food uses. (This does not mean that there are not issues in some communities, but the problem is not as bad or the reason as clear as this video implies). We already use corn for so many things besides food. Corn can be used for hundreds of things.
The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
eth will never replace oil!!! you do realize what those combines tractors trucks trains are running off? truth be it takes way more buring of oil to produce the eth. we are in a whole and its will hit the bottom one day.
@machhone not true! the truth is we don't even need to use food products to create fuel. we can create fuel from yard waste, any vegatation waste, even algae which scrubs waste products from other manufacturing and turns that waste into energy that you can use. the food markets don't have to be affected at all. the best thing about it all is that the energy requirements to create the fuel are negligible; the fuel practically creates itself. things will change and soon at that.
Ethanol Credits Have A Major Beneficiary In Big Oil Firms
Friday, July 2, 2010
BP could stand to reap federal tax credits approaching $600 million this year for blending gasoline with corn-based ethanol, making the British oil and gas giant one of the largest beneficiaries of the 45 cents-per-gallon ethanol incentive.
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
"As one of the largest blenders and marketers of biofuels in the nation, we blended over 1 billion gallons of ethanol with gasoline in 2008 alone," BP boasts on its website.
I invented a breakthrough energy source which violates the law of energy conservation. I have a PROOF that there are electrodynamic phenomena violating the law of energy conservation. I am looking for $30000 for a prototype and for $3M for patents. In mass production it will cost $1200 to make a 15 kW generator, value of energy produced YEARLY about $10000.
Myth #5: Big Corporations Get All Those Ethanol Subsidies, and Taxpayers Get Nothing in Return!
Between 1968 and 2000, oil companies received subsidies of $149.6 billion, compared to ethanol’s paltry $116.6 million. The subsidies alcohol did receive have worked extremely well in bringing maturity to the industry.
There is a notion that by diverting grain from food into energy, America can go green and cut dependence on the Middle East. Yet it is a fantasy - the conversion of grain to fuel is so inefficient that it barely saves any energy
@pegobuilders Also, fermenting the corn to alcohol results in more meat than if you fed the corn directly to the cattle. We can actually increase the meat supply by first processing corn into alcohol, which only takes 28% of the starch, leaving all the protein and fat, creating a higher-quality animal feed than the original corn.
Prices of food aren't high enough. Try buying land and equipment, growing crops, and 'trying' to pay back the loan. It just doesn't happen! Farmers are making all their money on the appreciation of the land (if owned) NOT the "profits" from crops! Growing crops has become a SOCIALIZED system! Non-farming politicians think they can feed the world, making the farmers sacrifice their income, putting farmers into poverty! Thank you for reading :)
No.Corn based biofuelis a waste of money and time. You are ignorant to state otherwise. Climate change is not man made, and will never effect us in a negative way. As such, using FOOD to create FUEL when there are people STARVING TO DEATH in other parts of the WORLD is MURDER and MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE.
C02 does not cause warming. It is not a pollutant. You are ignorant to say otherwise. Check the facts, fight back, we are being swindled by the liberals. Don't reply without facts.
We are producing record corn crops on less land, and still exporting as much or more corn than ever before. Byproducts of ethanol include DDG, used for animal feed, and corn oil, for either food or biodiesel use.
You all need to learn more about ethanol before you make yourself look foolish. Corn is the beginning- soon Cellulostic ethanol will grow, as will fuel from algae. All produce ethanol at a reasonable cost.
@av8tor17b Your right! There is millions of acres of land that the US government pays the farmer to NOT plant crops to keep crop prices steady. Plus we mostly us non feedstock now. These are planted on the land previously not used by feedstock. People will believe anything.
what kind of moron uses food supply to produce fuel for cars? when these ethanol distilleries contract all the corn supply dont complain when your food costs rise ten times!!
Higher demand will create higher production .... stop the demand and the production capacity will drop. The price will stabilize once the supply side catches up with the new demands.
Something I'm positive of is that the President can't know that the use of hydrogen by electrolysis has recently been perfected to conclusively produce completely thorough internal combustion engine performance in avarage gasoline and diesel engines using platinized titanium-based hydrogen generators, easily retrofitted to any vehicle with such type of engine. This is the way to turn heads at the Copenhagen summit, with hard science and proven testing by NASA back in the early Seventies.
I would say CNG is a much better alternative.. That is just my opinion.. To reduce methane in order to creat more Co2, is better than creating Co2 without reducing another greenhouse gas, as a conversion.
Barley can do the same thing, true. but most of the corn used can be recovered after the process and fed to pigs and cows, barley breaks down far more and isnt as useful for feed after fermenting.
I agree with you... Type e85 fuel on google, and lcick the first link.. You will get all the facts as to why this fuel is under high debate... It is not as great as the promoters claim it to be... The supporters lack explaining.
right on. the dumbest part is we are burning food. Corn that millions of starving people would love to be able to eat.. and we're cramming it into our fuel tanks. It's fucking stupid.
I read that the corn it takes to make enough alcohol to fill the tank of an average SUV could feed a third world family for over a year.
If you're talking about America's corn, then millions of starving people would actually not like to eat it. I think there's only 4 countries in the world that purchase American corn because its genetically modified and uses growth hormones that are considered harmful to people. Corn is primarily used in candy and sweeteners (corn syrup) or to feed cattle. Corn is still not the most efficient crop to use for bio-diesel, but the idea that its coming from the mouths of starving children is false.
If they're starving, I'm sure they'd rather eat our corn than starve to death.
who the hell is talking about bio-diesel? this video's about ethanol.
We should use switchgrass and willow to make ethanol if we're gonna bother with it. Between the fuel used to plant and harvest corn, and the fertilizer needed to grow it, I think that corn-based ethanol pollutes more than regular oil.
While I agree that corn is a poor fuel crop it's a false conjecture to talk about people going hungry from not eating a crop that they wouldn't eat in the first place. It's not a question of if they're willing to eat it, their government simply will not import it period.
oh you just misunderstood me.. I didn't mean that this is why people are starving. I just used that as an example showing that corn is much better used as food than as a fuel.
if we're gonna sit here and fuck around with ethanol instead of researching a better way to use hydrogen.. why not at lease use switch grass instead or even willows so we could actually reduce emissions.
Well here in the USA, ord's been testing hydrogen powered shuttle buses. So far I haven't heard of any problems in the year that they've been doing it now.
Question how I speak? I just suggested hydrogen or cleaner ways to make alcohol. Then you keep rambling on about natural gas which isn't going to work in the long run as it'll run out.
It also as a result drives the cost up for corn and not only humans eat that corn. It's garbage in my opinion... As for HH0, maybe their are possibilities, show it first that is what I would suggest to krankiev. As for methane.. Perhaps not for vehicles, but for landfills it is already in use in the UK much more broadly than in the USA and CANADA. Methane burns cleaner than e-85 and I am not refering to directly powering your vehicles with it.. I think electric will become the most promising.
Hydrogen is working in some applications already, and a handful of people have proven to be able to produce it very efficiently. I hope to be able to copy them in the future.
I'm just saying.. methane will work fine in short term but it'll run out just like oil. Hydrogen burns with absolutely zero emissions.. NO CO2! just water. people just need to keep an open mind, instead of just hushing those who speak about it (hint hint)
You seem to fail to realize that the rate of consumption will be much higher than the rate of production (just like oil is now) if CNG (even from trash dumps) becomes a primary fuel source.
The advantage, you see, with methane is, you are taking an already existing gas and making good use of it.. WIth hydrogen, you need to make it with pv's or perhaps something with concentrated solar, methane is much more constant.
But as to methane CNG is something that makes more sense, along with electric for some applications is worthy. CNG is used to heat lots of homes in Canada. But we could be using more of our OWN.
CNG is fine and dandy, I'm not saying not to use it. I'm saying, if we came to be dependent on it we'd be fucked when it ran out. Sure, use cng while it's here but it would be foolish to look to it as a solution for the energy crisis, I thought that's what you were implying.
Not as the only source, but as a source that should be controlled much better than it is. If you can show me a URL of something good with HH0 I will check it out.
To date no peer review studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature, although his claims have been thoroughly discredited in scientific journals
In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[3]
According to Meyer the technology was patent pending and under investigation by the patent office, the Department of Energy and the military.. Sorry to burst your bubble, I have the msg you sent me.
Legal issues have nothing to do with the technology he's come up with and the research he's done.
there's another guy who did something similar who goes by the alias "ravi"
but seriously.. bringing up legal issues is a really pathetic way to try to make his work look invalid, and to anyone who has half a brain, that means nothing.
I don't see why you're so closed minded about the subject. Makes it look like you're the owner of an oil company or something like that lol
Well if it is in your interests pursue it.. I wish you luck. Its just not for me, at the moment. I haven't seen anything, not even meyers or what you have told me significant in any way, Ravi will have to be proffessionally tested.
I'd like to e able to change the world with this technology. I'm only 17 at the moment and I can't do much now though. I wish people would keep an open mind about it, and I don't see why anybody wouldn't think it's a good idea
I would rather see that we turned to hydrogen. Hydrogen can be produced efficiently with hydroelectricity, wind, and solar power as well as with geothermal power. If we used these sources of electricity to make it, hydrogen is 100% clean and renewable. Ethanol still releases CO2.. but hydrogen only produces water when burned.
this farmer only likes ethanol because it makes him money, or he's just stupid.
The world has enough food for people. Its just that theres too bloody little INFRASTRUCTURE to get the food to those that need it. Africa has starvations because of the warfare and the warlords and rebels and other factions stealing food shipments and making transporting food hazardous. Human population will stabilize sooner or later when the majority of the countries have been brough (kicking and screaming if we have to) to the standards of 1st world nations
Solar and compressed air technology sounds rather promising if you ask me. Although there aren't hundreds of billions of dollars to be made. Follow the money. If all the crops grown went directly to humans rather than animal feed and fuel, I think the world hunger situation would be tremendously reduced, not to mention health and environmental issues.
Hey hey... Heres a chance for all of the dumbasses to use google. Oh wait I dought that they would be able to becuase of there inactive redective lifestyles which lead them to poverty.
The original plan was actually: to reduce the Worlds population by hundreds of millions or even Billions by starving people to death, in order for Mother Earth to sustain the existence of Human species, so as not to upset or tip over the equilibrium between mankind and nature.
Exactly. Something needs to be done. How are we going to feed an extra 2.5 billion people in 40-50 years when we can't feed ourselves in 2008? I know AIDS will help but the next 100 years sure will be interesting...unfortunatley (?) it will be the most vunerable people in the world that will suffer.
@AmericanOriginal1 The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
I think biofuel is in infancy and it will improve. Corn ethnol is definitely not the way but it may be a bridge to something great. I dont like oil and those middle eastern dictators and the big fat oil companies who takes all the tax payers money and say they made record profit
Not to totally change the subject here, but there would be more than enough food for the starving people of the world if we gave food to people instead of giving food to animals, then using the animals for food. A typical adult pig eats an average of 7 lbs of food a day, or 2,550 lbs a year. A typical adult pig weighs an average of 150 lbs, and not all of that 150 lbs becomes food for humans. That's 2,500 pounds of grain that could have been fed to humans for less than 150 lbs of pork.
OR we could give them animals.. those animals eat grass and greens that are in-edible to people and those animals reproduce.. they can use those animals to fertilize their crops, and grow their own damn food at 10,000lbs an acre. The profit margins are so small in corn it cost many times more to ship to the other side of the planet than its worth here. A sole diet of corn will kill an animal anyway. Rice is much better for people. Algae based bio fuel is where its at tho.
The biofuel criticism is unfair. I insist that the criticism group "should use land and the water for a food production so that it is limited". However, they do not criticize it about the cultivation of luxury goods. Will not coffee or the cultivation of the cacao have any problem? The fuel is necessities, and many salable farm products are luxury goods.
you said nothing about gasses or wood just about first gen ethanol. What about second gen fuels bio gas wood for wood gas generators or cellulose ethanol. I do conciser fuels made for gains high enficant. You only using only small part of the plant. For second bio fuel you use 100% of the plant to make fuel at average yield of 70% . Also to grow grass take alot less engery to grow
Then why did Al Gore leave his lights on during Earth Hour in his Tennessee house. That house uses 3 times more energy then the average consumer house.
Don't let the government fool you - a tanker full of Saudi oil has no import tax - a tanker full of Ethanol from Brazil has a 100% import tax!! And they want use to switch to Ethanol???? MAKE THEM PROVE IT!!!
Possible solution, but FAR from easy. If it was easy, we'd be filling up our tanks with algae right now.
I wish it were a solution, but I see far too many people touting it like it's something that is a sure bet and will work tomorrow. It's not a sure bet, and may be a long, long way off before we even know if it can be done.
its the methane the algae produce that we want, and its the carbon dioxide it consumes that also makes it really special...and its not hard to build algae farms, they have a few already
The people who don't want ethanol are either idiots or attached to the petroleum industry, it has been this way for over 75 years. You can get at least a dozen uses out of the grain after you extract the alcohol: plastics, paints, animal food etc... Ever wonder how those Rodeo Bulls get the energy to jump 10 feet in the air; because most of them are raised and fed brewers grains !!! The only reason home alcohol production is illegal is because greedy government can't steal the TAX if it's not !!
I like that you are supporting ethanol, I just wanted to point out that it is legal to produce alcohol at home if you apply for a permit and agree to denature it so you can only use it in cars. the permit is free and my cousin got one.
Petroleum prices are making food prices higher too. Tractors that run on petroleum fuel cost more to run, therefore the farmer charges more for his crop... duh.
where is my fusion reactor? show me a working one.
With all due sympathy I hate it when people talk about so-called 'solutions' like they can be done right now when for all we know it could be 100 years from now or NEVER.
its a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more productive then corn, takes less space bu utilizing height as well as area, can be grown in reactors in deserts where crops can't be grown, and can produce OIL, ETHENOL AND PROTIEN!!!
America's addicted to oil?????? NO KIDDING...... So let's work this out; if America is an Oiladdict shouldnt we instead of giving her "Healthier" drugs, just send her to rehab. I mean, at least that way you wont be feeding America's addiction at the expense of POOR FAMILIES...
If the women of the developing world would close their damn legs and say "no" every once in a while, then maybe their vaginas wouldn't belch up so many starving children.
Don't blame the women, blame the belief systems like when women are told that they will go to hell if they use any kind of birthcontrol. And don't forget people it takes a woman AND a man to create a baby. 1 man can impregnate many women every time their seed is spilled. Women can only have 1 child a year at most. Do the math. Men need to keep it in their pants period.
theres no food shortage in china theres food everywhere at dirt cheap prices how about a watermelon for a quarter, even then the average chinese whos not a farmer still grows food not lawns on their property , take a lesson world how can the nation with the most people have abundant food at very low prices , its bad management elsewhere, thats the cause -on the opther hand most of the world has been bashing the usa choking its oil shippments with high prices , so choose your weapon oil or food
I think it's about time something like this happened. We can't carry on like we are, the world population is simply out of control. I see this food shortage as 'natural population control'. If there is not enough food to go around people die! We are just animals after all, no matter what people say we are not exempt from the rules of nature. THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE POVERTY IS BY REDUCING THE POPULATION! I know I probably sound like a sadistic mother fu**er but it's a nessecary evil.
if its not corn its oil... it never ends. this country is going to shit cause the politicians are more worried about their wallets and the wallets of their rich buddies. As long as they are making money who cares about the working people. My husband builds storage tanks for ethanol and biodiesel plants so I cant really complain. its putting food on our table
What I find interesting is my enemies "GreenPeace" are totally against biofuels and ethanol because of the severe destruction that is being done to the forests to grow corn.
WRONG!!!!! My family farms over 1,000 acres. We haven't grown food crops in 2 years because we make more money selling fuel crops and selling it to the government at a huge inflated price that they set. Ethanol has a shelf life of 90 days and totally destroys rubber gaskets and eats metal...I wouldn't run it in my lawnmower.
Your countries policies are best described as "Shoot Self In Foot". We can't help but sit back and laugh while you guys commit economic suicide.
food is more expensive because production and transportation is more expensive. there is an overkill of food made...we don't even need as much as we produce. ethanol is a fuel made for gasoline cars, bio diesel is easy as taking pure corn oil and putting it in your gas tank. thanol needs to be refined..just like gasoline..which is why its not black when you put it in your car..that takes consumption as well..you need to look at this as an alternative..there are more then one to chose from..
That might be hapening in Us or other countries... i am a engineering student, and had the oportunity to meet the man responsible for create the biofuel production here in Brazil(a UFRJ professor), and i must say that that will not will happen here... at least in a close future.. who knows what will happen if bad people start controlling the system?
Ethanol production is inefficient now, but i gather it will become much more efficient this year with new plants that will use more of the celluse based corn tusk.
i sympathise with you guys from canada and the USA but here in europe (united kingdom) we are suffering the start of a major ressesion.
the price for diesel fuel is £1.23pence per litre of fuel that is 10 USD per Gallon. our goverment just does not listen to us and continues to levy 17.5% tax and 60p per litre fuel tax so we are taxed twice great britain is no longer great.
2 reasons u guys got hard times: USA's sudden obsession with ethanol, which means our farmers don't wana farm wheat, or anything else- just corn. so all prices on crops are going up. 2nd reason- your "free health care"
I hear you, that is insanely high. What frightens us in the USA is that we can't have prices get that high here. Our nation is huge and we only have infrastructure for trucks. At $10 per gallon we turn into a third world nation. That being said I oppose ethanol in the United States, it is a recipe for a global famine.
mexico- tortilla prices up 60% (according to this report). wow. u think u got a problem with illegal aliens now. just wait! and what's gonna happen when we got enough ethanol that we don't even need oil from mexico, our #2 seller (canada's #1)?
From a Canadian: We are right now expanding our capacity to produce energy in all their forms (Uranium, Crude Oil, Homemade Ethanol, Windmills, etc...)and we are happy to sell it to you so we can pay for the outrageous cost of our social handouts.
I wonder what will happen the day we will push Mexico out of the US energy market... At least they will have food...
Global warming is a scam cooked up by the jews to try and stop the arabs from selling their oil. Its nothing more than a global pseudo intellectual fad.
What will those Einsteins say when the first big drought happens, as it certainly will. Oops? Oil can be drilled 365 days a year in any climate and is unaffected by drought, floods, hurricanes.
Ethanol takes 80% of the energy it creates to produce.
good point about what if there's a drought (and there will be!). i saw on th history channel a show about ethanol and they said it takes 1 gallon of gas (diesel, mostly) to produce 1.3gallons of ethanol. this whole thing is madness. there's nothng wrong with oil, except that congress won't let the US drill in ANWR or off the coast of FLA
well anwr being the alaskan wildlife refuge might be part of congress' relucance to allow drilling there. Oil drilling is not good for the enviroment so why would they allow it in a wildlife refuge? also if your concerned about the oil crisis than walk more ride a bike even get a wagon and some horses thats the real way to cut back on oil consumption
the area in question for drilling is not even as big a folded up newspaper thrown into a tennis court(tennis court being ANWR). i'd love to do more horseback riding, but i don't want to make too big a carbon footprint. besides, these days, a horse-drawn wagon would not be allowed in most places- definitely not in Tampa. we don't have to cut back on consumption. THAT's what makes all of this a big fat fraud.
well anwr being the alaskan wildlife refuge might be part of congress' relucance to allow drilling there. Oil drilling is not good for the enviroment so why would they allow it in a wildlife refuge? also if your concerned about the oil crisis than walk more ride a bike even get a wagon and some horses thats the real way to cut back on oil consumption
Cry me a river. Meat is murder. Boo hoo, fat americans can't kill animals and eat them and die from chronic diseases caused by excess meat. Bring on the higher feed prices.
Hi Everyone! I've got the best and easiest solution!! It's in using the best, fastest growing crop in the world: ALGAE It outproduces corn by 500times. Don't let them corner you into thinking corn is the only biomass!! You can produce as much as you need in the space taken by a normal car! Keep thinking!!
I see you read the CNN article on the guy in texas who is doing some amazing things with algae in verticle hanging stacks? The amount of viable material this would produce per acre is insane! They fiddle with it in the past, Pondscum essentially but never thought it viable at then oil prices.
The point is clear: if you screw us with high oil prices, we will fuck you over with high grain prices.
America is the world's largest exporter of grain products. One day we may stop exporting them or only to our closest allies. Guess what will those OPEC thugs be eating, sand? Lol!
"America is the world's largest exporter of grain products. One day we may stop exporting them or only to our closest allies. Guess what will those OPEC thugs be eating, sand? Lol! "
We should do what they do with their oil. Charge Americans less for food and rake the oil producing countries over the coals.
screw bush, he enjoys making a bad situation worse. he isnt helping the earth any, he's just creating a new empire and driving food prices higher. he already screwed us with oil. will someone please impeachment the moron???
Anyone okay with using genetic engineering on ethanol crops such as corn, switch grass, sugar can, sugar beats, etc. to increase the potential throughput and praticality of ethanol?
A renewable fuel source, no more dependency on foreign fuel sources from people that rather do harm to us. Nothing wrong with that, other than the obvious politicians and their special intrest favors they owe. I would rather give my money to an American Farmer than a Saudi Sheik. Atleast the American Farmer will put the money back into our economy. But unfortunatly the Saudi Sheik has the U.S. by the balls and won't let go with out a fight.
The long and the short of it is that even if we put ALL of the AG land in America to corn for ethanol we could not do more than 12-16% of our total oil consumption. Their are much better ways, efficiency, cellolousic ethanol (from trees/grass), and plug in electric cars and trucks that get hundreds of miles per gallon.
The only good thing about the ethanol push from the Bush Administration is that it is getting people to admit we have a problem.
Biofuel can't solve our climate crisis. The only reason why people think so is that big corporationens make the illusion that it's green and CO2 neutral. see biofuel watch
fair enough that petrol prices are bloody high, but too many people are trying to talk other people out of getting a high powered car, and i've had a fucking gut full of it. no young driver on their p-plates can drive anything but a rusted old 2 tonne, 50bhp ford laser or a simular sort of car. these australian hoon laws are just out of control. the australian government just doesn't give a rats ass.
LOL, in the 70's tree-huggers scream for this fuel to pushed into the mainstream, now they say it'll inflict starvation on the world. The answer is simple, just have more farmers grow corn, and the price will even out. A 9yo can understand that, and eventually that's what will happen. The real problem is that most populations have allowed themselves to become disconnected from producing their own food. The industrial revolution is still young, some adjustment is expected.
A renewable fuel source, no more dependency on foreign fuel sources from people that rather do harm to us. Nothing wrong with that, other than the obvious politicians and their special intrest favors they owe. I would rather give my money to an American Farmer than a Saudi Sheik. Atleast the American Farmer will put the money back into our economy. But unfortunatly the Saudi Sheik has the U.S. by the balls and won't let go with out a fight.
as George W. was saying - the best way to break this addiction is to get addicted to something else :)
claudelebel55 5 months ago
Corn ethanol is energy negative. Making it useless and damaging on a macroeconomic scale.
ogre61691 6 months ago
How about using hemp instead and then your food prices wouldn't be affected. Plus hemp can be used to make more then two thousand other products and will save cutting down trees.
sardakur 1 year ago 2
@sardakur ..... if they are growing hemp they will still be using the land for something other than food won't they ,,, land on which food used to be grown ..... unless you want to clear more forests to create new land on which to grow your hemp. There is no free lunch. People keep forgetting the hidden costs as well as the negative side effects.
claudelebel55 5 months ago
ethanol takes more energy to produce than it contains
haydenman2 1 year ago
this just automatically got into my favs o-O
maplestory142362 1 year ago
I also do not believe the message that there's a WIDESPREAD OR LONG TERM problem of using corn for corn-based ethanol, instead of strictly for food uses. (This does not mean that there are not issues in some communities, but the problem is not as bad or the reason as clear as this video implies). We already use corn for so many things besides food. Corn can be used for hundreds of things.
pentiuman 1 year ago
The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
eth will never replace oil!!! you do realize what those combines tractors trucks trains are running off? truth be it takes way more buring of oil to produce the eth. we are in a whole and its will hit the bottom one day.
machhone 1 year ago
@machhone not true! the truth is we don't even need to use food products to create fuel. we can create fuel from yard waste, any vegatation waste, even algae which scrubs waste products from other manufacturing and turns that waste into energy that you can use. the food markets don't have to be affected at all. the best thing about it all is that the energy requirements to create the fuel are negligible; the fuel practically creates itself. things will change and soon at that.
benchracerX 1 year ago
TAXES
Ethanol Credits Have A Major Beneficiary In Big Oil Firms
Friday, July 2, 2010
BP could stand to reap federal tax credits approaching $600 million this year for blending gasoline with corn-based ethanol, making the British oil and gas giant one of the largest beneficiaries of the 45 cents-per-gallon ethanol incentive.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
"As one of the largest blenders and marketers of biofuels in the nation, we blended over 1 billion gallons of ethanol with gasoline in 2008 alone," BP boasts on its website.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
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henrykay01 1 year ago
Myth #5: Big Corporations Get All Those Ethanol Subsidies, and Taxpayers Get Nothing in Return!
Between 1968 and 2000, oil companies received subsidies of $149.6 billion, compared to ethanol’s paltry $116.6 million. The subsidies alcohol did receive have worked extremely well in bringing maturity to the industry.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
There is a notion that by diverting grain from food into energy, America can go green and cut dependence on the Middle East. Yet it is a fantasy - the conversion of grain to fuel is so inefficient that it barely saves any energy
pegobuilders 1 year ago
@pegobuilders Also, fermenting the corn to alcohol results in more meat than if you fed the corn directly to the cattle. We can actually increase the meat supply by first processing corn into alcohol, which only takes 28% of the starch, leaving all the protein and fat, creating a higher-quality animal feed than the original corn.
hotmichael3358 1 year ago 4
local growing, local production local shipping. thats what its all about.
mizzoulibertarian 1 year ago
Prices of food aren't high enough. Try buying land and equipment, growing crops, and 'trying' to pay back the loan. It just doesn't happen! Farmers are making all their money on the appreciation of the land (if owned) NOT the "profits" from crops! Growing crops has become a SOCIALIZED system! Non-farming politicians think they can feed the world, making the farmers sacrifice their income, putting farmers into poverty! Thank you for reading :)
gekuntz 1 year ago
lol they are going to feed us the spent corn grains ! LMFAO !!!
stonerj0e 1 year ago
No.Corn based biofuelis a waste of money and time. You are ignorant to state otherwise. Climate change is not man made, and will never effect us in a negative way. As such, using FOOD to create FUEL when there are people STARVING TO DEATH in other parts of the WORLD is MURDER and MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE.
C02 does not cause warming. It is not a pollutant. You are ignorant to say otherwise. Check the facts, fight back, we are being swindled by the liberals. Don't reply without facts.
cienade 1 year ago
There is no "food vs. fuel" problem.
We are producing record corn crops on less land, and still exporting as much or more corn than ever before. Byproducts of ethanol include DDG, used for animal feed, and corn oil, for either food or biodiesel use.
You all need to learn more about ethanol before you make yourself look foolish. Corn is the beginning- soon Cellulostic ethanol will grow, as will fuel from algae. All produce ethanol at a reasonable cost.
av8tor17b 2 years ago 10
@av8tor17b Your right! There is millions of acres of land that the US government pays the farmer to NOT plant crops to keep crop prices steady. Plus we mostly us non feedstock now. These are planted on the land previously not used by feedstock. People will believe anything.
arizonapatriotforus 1 year ago
@av8tor17b Sure but the global food prices risen worldwide. Think about the poor people. Food should power our bodies, not only our stupid cars.
aRoosisaRoos 1 year ago
@av8tor17b there is a food vs fuel problem when there is food scarcity around the world. food comes first to all...then we can drive our cars...
vcanucks22 2 months ago
what kind of moron uses food supply to produce fuel for cars? when these ethanol distilleries contract all the corn supply dont complain when your food costs rise ten times!!
dikkydoo1 2 years ago
Higher demand will create higher production .... stop the demand and the production capacity will drop. The price will stabilize once the supply side catches up with the new demands.
2tourVet 2 years ago
this is what will leave the world to starve in the future.
One of the most dangerous threats to us is cannabalism.
Why waste food??
masterhien 2 years ago
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Something I'm positive of is that the President can't know that the use of hydrogen by electrolysis has recently been perfected to conclusively produce completely thorough internal combustion engine performance in avarage gasoline and diesel engines using platinized titanium-based hydrogen generators, easily retrofitted to any vehicle with such type of engine. This is the way to turn heads at the Copenhagen summit, with hard science and proven testing by NASA back in the early Seventies.
ThePresidentialTouch 2 years ago
needless to say I like ethanol for fuel. of course, I prefer 40% ethanol, aged in oak barrels, but thats besides the point.
TheCaptainLulz 2 years ago
Why not use ethenol from beer???
davidthefat 2 years ago
I would say CNG is a much better alternative.. That is just my opinion.. To reduce methane in order to creat more Co2, is better than creating Co2 without reducing another greenhouse gas, as a conversion.
luc59457 2 years ago
That would take even more energy to produce.
SakoTGrimes 2 years ago
Barley can do the same thing, true. but most of the corn used can be recovered after the process and fed to pigs and cows, barley breaks down far more and isnt as useful for feed after fermenting.
TheCaptainLulz 2 years ago
perhaps someone can fucking tell me what time it is and what date or i might fucking kill myself?
OmgItsAnett 2 years ago
corn ethanol is stupid, corn is food not fuel USE WILLOW TREES! they are useless for anything else anyway!
krankiev 2 years ago
I agree with you... Type e85 fuel on google, and lcick the first link.. You will get all the facts as to why this fuel is under high debate... It is not as great as the promoters claim it to be... The supporters lack explaining.
luc59457 2 years ago
right on. the dumbest part is we are burning food. Corn that millions of starving people would love to be able to eat.. and we're cramming it into our fuel tanks. It's fucking stupid.
I read that the corn it takes to make enough alcohol to fill the tank of an average SUV could feed a third world family for over a year.
fucking waste.
krankiev 2 years ago
If you're talking about America's corn, then millions of starving people would actually not like to eat it. I think there's only 4 countries in the world that purchase American corn because its genetically modified and uses growth hormones that are considered harmful to people. Corn is primarily used in candy and sweeteners (corn syrup) or to feed cattle. Corn is still not the most efficient crop to use for bio-diesel, but the idea that its coming from the mouths of starving children is false.
D0g63rt 2 years ago
If they're starving, I'm sure they'd rather eat our corn than starve to death.
who the hell is talking about bio-diesel? this video's about ethanol.
We should use switchgrass and willow to make ethanol if we're gonna bother with it. Between the fuel used to plant and harvest corn, and the fertilizer needed to grow it, I think that corn-based ethanol pollutes more than regular oil.
krankiev 2 years ago
While I agree that corn is a poor fuel crop it's a false conjecture to talk about people going hungry from not eating a crop that they wouldn't eat in the first place. It's not a question of if they're willing to eat it, their government simply will not import it period.
D0g63rt 2 years ago
oh you just misunderstood me.. I didn't mean that this is why people are starving. I just used that as an example showing that corn is much better used as food than as a fuel.
if we're gonna sit here and fuck around with ethanol instead of researching a better way to use hydrogen.. why not at lease use switch grass instead or even willows so we could actually reduce emissions.
krankiev 2 years ago
It is well above any HH0 on the market.. BTW, I have not seen anything HH0, that is worthy, that is why you mentioned "researching better ways"
luc59457 2 years ago
Well here in the USA, ord's been testing hydrogen powered shuttle buses. So far I haven't heard of any problems in the year that they've been doing it now.
Question how I speak? I just suggested hydrogen or cleaner ways to make alcohol. Then you keep rambling on about natural gas which isn't going to work in the long run as it'll run out.
krankiev 2 years ago
It also as a result drives the cost up for corn and not only humans eat that corn. It's garbage in my opinion... As for HH0, maybe their are possibilities, show it first that is what I would suggest to krankiev. As for methane.. Perhaps not for vehicles, but for landfills it is already in use in the UK much more broadly than in the USA and CANADA. Methane burns cleaner than e-85 and I am not refering to directly powering your vehicles with it.. I think electric will become the most promising.
luc59457 2 years ago
Hydrogen is working in some applications already, and a handful of people have proven to be able to produce it very efficiently. I hope to be able to copy them in the future.
I'm just saying.. methane will work fine in short term but it'll run out just like oil. Hydrogen burns with absolutely zero emissions.. NO CO2! just water. people just need to keep an open mind, instead of just hushing those who speak about it (hint hint)
krankiev 2 years ago
When people stop eating it will run out.
luc59457 2 years ago
when people stop disposing, when people stop shitting, etc.
luc59457 2 years ago
You seem to fail to realize that the rate of consumption will be much higher than the rate of production (just like oil is now) if CNG (even from trash dumps) becomes a primary fuel source.
krankiev 2 years ago
The advantage, you see, with methane is, you are taking an already existing gas and making good use of it.. WIth hydrogen, you need to make it with pv's or perhaps something with concentrated solar, methane is much more constant.
luc59457 2 years ago
Maybe not from your asshole, but in other places yes.
luc59457 2 years ago
This is practical for all places of the world but particularly places where coal is still in use. Stirling dishes are very practical in the deserts.
luc59457 2 years ago
not so much elsewhere, but in the desert they supply about 25MW each (enough to power a tiny village)
luc59457 2 years ago
But as to methane CNG is something that makes more sense, along with electric for some applications is worthy. CNG is used to heat lots of homes in Canada. But we could be using more of our OWN.
luc59457 2 years ago
CNG is fine and dandy, I'm not saying not to use it. I'm saying, if we came to be dependent on it we'd be fucked when it ran out. Sure, use cng while it's here but it would be foolish to look to it as a solution for the energy crisis, I thought that's what you were implying.
krankiev 2 years ago
Not as the only source, but as a source that should be controlled much better than it is. If you can show me a URL of something good with HH0 I will check it out.
luc59457 2 years ago
Well, maybe if you would stop fucking blocking me, I could actually send you a message, and you *MIGHT* actually learn something.
krankiev 2 years ago
You were just sending me some from your other accounts
luc59457 2 years ago
and you blocked at least one of them.
show some maturity and unblock me why don't ya
krankiev 2 years ago
To date no peer review studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature, although his claims have been thoroughly discredited in scientific journals
luc59457 2 years ago
In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[3]
luc59457 2 years ago
According to Meyer the technology was patent pending and under investigation by the patent office, the Department of Energy and the military.. Sorry to burst your bubble, I have the msg you sent me.
luc59457 2 years ago
Legal issues have nothing to do with the technology he's come up with and the research he's done.
there's another guy who did something similar who goes by the alias "ravi"
but seriously.. bringing up legal issues is a really pathetic way to try to make his work look invalid, and to anyone who has half a brain, that means nothing.
I don't see why you're so closed minded about the subject. Makes it look like you're the owner of an oil company or something like that lol
krankiev 2 years ago
It is only part of what I copied and pasted. You inaccurately accused me. ROFL.. Read it all too
luc59457 2 years ago
Supply a website to your claims about hydrogen.
luc59457 2 years ago
can't send links in comments. unblock me and I'll send you a PM with a url.
krankiev 2 years ago
done
luc59457 2 years ago
Well if it is in your interests pursue it.. I wish you luck. Its just not for me, at the moment. I haven't seen anything, not even meyers or what you have told me significant in any way, Ravi will have to be proffessionally tested.
luc59457 2 years ago
I'd like to e able to change the world with this technology. I'm only 17 at the moment and I can't do much now though. I wish people would keep an open mind about it, and I don't see why anybody wouldn't think it's a good idea
krankiev 2 years ago
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I would rather see that we turned to hydrogen. Hydrogen can be produced efficiently with hydroelectricity, wind, and solar power as well as with geothermal power. If we used these sources of electricity to make it, hydrogen is 100% clean and renewable. Ethanol still releases CO2.. but hydrogen only produces water when burned.
this farmer only likes ethanol because it makes him money, or he's just stupid.
krankiev 2 years ago
you should question the way you speak and be educated by that and not think I am in competition with you.
luc59457 2 years ago
@luc59457
hey pusscake, unblock me. You can't just force people to shut up on an "open debate"
open debate means you'll consider everyone's thoughts.
CNG won't work at all anyway, even at current rates of use we'll run out in under 50 years
krankiev 2 years ago
I have NEVER seen an E85 pump in my life, this must be a mid western thing.
bmtimv 2 years ago
The world has enough food for people. Its just that theres too bloody little INFRASTRUCTURE to get the food to those that need it. Africa has starvations because of the warfare and the warlords and rebels and other factions stealing food shipments and making transporting food hazardous. Human population will stabilize sooner or later when the majority of the countries have been brough (kicking and screaming if we have to) to the standards of 1st world nations
HoOkEdOnBlEaCh 2 years ago
Solar and compressed air technology sounds rather promising if you ask me. Although there aren't hundreds of billions of dollars to be made. Follow the money. If all the crops grown went directly to humans rather than animal feed and fuel, I think the world hunger situation would be tremendously reduced, not to mention health and environmental issues.
DianeDi 3 years ago
Hey hey... Heres a chance for all of the dumbasses to use google. Oh wait I dought that they would be able to becuase of there inactive redective lifestyles which lead them to poverty.
greentoes1234 3 years ago
The original plan was actually: to reduce the Worlds population by hundreds of millions or even Billions by starving people to death, in order for Mother Earth to sustain the existence of Human species, so as not to upset or tip over the equilibrium between mankind and nature.
IloiloWindEnergyLtd 3 years ago
Exactly. Something needs to be done. How are we going to feed an extra 2.5 billion people in 40-50 years when we can't feed ourselves in 2008? I know AIDS will help but the next 100 years sure will be interesting...unfortunatley (?) it will be the most vunerable people in the world that will suffer.
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NZ500D 3 years ago
I would like to use this video in a film of mine. Who should I contact?
Klaus
klauspas 3 years ago
here here.
loytime 3 years ago
It takes MORE energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than there is INSIDE a gallon of ethanol.
...ethanol "works" only because of Heavy subsidies (paid for in higher taxes AND food prices).
Fuck Ethanol.
AmericanOriginal1 3 years ago
exactly.
elmoslanz 3 years ago
you should do more homework on ethanol before you spout off your mouth and look stupid.
switchgrassfuel 2 years ago
I don't about MORE energy to produce. It is about the same to produce as the output. Global Warming is a myth anyway.
ZeroSeigi 2 years ago
@AmericanOriginal1 The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
hotmichael3358 1 year ago
@hotmichael3358
If that where true, Ethanol production would NOT NEED such heavy (and artificial ) subsized by the US Federal government.
What I'm saying is that it's NOT true, AND that Ethanol is economically self sustaining. thank you.
AmericanStory1 1 year ago
I think biofuel is in infancy and it will improve. Corn ethnol is definitely not the way but it may be a bridge to something great. I dont like oil and those middle eastern dictators and the big fat oil companies who takes all the tax payers money and say they made record profit
finan2004 3 years ago
Thats a good thing... less High Fructose sugar from corn for the american obesity diet
Epicx1984 3 years ago
Whoever generalized biofuel are causing food shortage. Right now try to eat jathropa fruit.
kinutusan 3 years ago
Not to totally change the subject here, but there would be more than enough food for the starving people of the world if we gave food to people instead of giving food to animals, then using the animals for food. A typical adult pig eats an average of 7 lbs of food a day, or 2,550 lbs a year. A typical adult pig weighs an average of 150 lbs, and not all of that 150 lbs becomes food for humans. That's 2,500 pounds of grain that could have been fed to humans for less than 150 lbs of pork.
Kschneiderstl 3 years ago
I guess that would work if we were all vegeterians...too bad wer're not.
NZ500D 3 years ago
OR we could give them animals.. those animals eat grass and greens that are in-edible to people and those animals reproduce.. they can use those animals to fertilize their crops, and grow their own damn food at 10,000lbs an acre. The profit margins are so small in corn it cost many times more to ship to the other side of the planet than its worth here. A sole diet of corn will kill an animal anyway. Rice is much better for people. Algae based bio fuel is where its at tho.
razorx71 2 years ago
its the mis apropriation of cash by mF..rs in the Imf that love killing off the world poor.. ahh that protest anyone?
geraboldy 3 years ago
The biofuel criticism is unfair. I insist that the criticism group "should use land and the water for a food production so that it is limited". However, they do not criticize it about the cultivation of luxury goods. Will not coffee or the cultivation of the cacao have any problem? The fuel is necessities, and many salable farm products are luxury goods.
nomuramasahiko 3 years ago
You should go on tour of the poor countries of the world and tell them they are starving for a good cause.
dud3man6969 3 years ago
you said nothing about gasses or wood just about first gen ethanol. What about second gen fuels bio gas wood for wood gas generators or cellulose ethanol. I do conciser fuels made for gains high enficant. You only using only small part of the plant. For second bio fuel you use 100% of the plant to make fuel at average yield of 70% . Also to grow grass take alot less engery to grow
spark300c 3 years ago
So now were gonna chop down trees for biofuel. LOOKOUT RAINFOREST HERE WE COME.
AcomsRazor1776 3 years ago
SauceMystery is a troll that favorites hundreds of videos and posts to deny Global warming on every one.
SauceMystery, Do you have a job, or is this it?
Anyone interested in Global warming- just look at how a majority of negatives come from a handful of user's. They are politicals.
NOT Scientists.
summit199 3 years ago
Then why did Al Gore leave his lights on during Earth Hour in his Tennessee house. That house uses 3 times more energy then the average consumer house.
ZeroSeigi 2 years ago
you along with algore should commit suicide
DudasMiska 2 years ago
The total production of biofuel in 2007 took food away from 250,000,000 people for that entire year.
Biofuel has caused a world-wide food crisis.
SauceMystery 3 years ago
Don't let the government fool you - a tanker full of Saudi oil has no import tax - a tanker full of Ethanol from Brazil has a 100% import tax!! And they want use to switch to Ethanol???? MAKE THEM PROVE IT!!!
Earthlinked 3 years ago
One easy solution. Algae-based Biofuel!
Coraxuss 3 years ago
Possible solution, but FAR from easy. If it was easy, we'd be filling up our tanks with algae right now.
I wish it were a solution, but I see far too many people touting it like it's something that is a sure bet and will work tomorrow. It's not a sure bet, and may be a long, long way off before we even know if it can be done.
mattizzle81 3 years ago
its the methane the algae produce that we want, and its the carbon dioxide it consumes that also makes it really special...and its not hard to build algae farms, they have a few already
DudasMiska 2 years ago
The people who don't want ethanol are either idiots or attached to the petroleum industry, it has been this way for over 75 years. You can get at least a dozen uses out of the grain after you extract the alcohol: plastics, paints, animal food etc... Ever wonder how those Rodeo Bulls get the energy to jump 10 feet in the air; because most of them are raised and fed brewers grains !!! The only reason home alcohol production is illegal is because greedy government can't steal the TAX if it's not !!
67Cowboy 3 years ago
I like that you are supporting ethanol, I just wanted to point out that it is legal to produce alcohol at home if you apply for a permit and agree to denature it so you can only use it in cars. the permit is free and my cousin got one.
switchgrassfuel 2 years ago
ethanol as we know it is dumb because it is made from corn which is better put to use as food. Burning corn is dumb we should use willow trees
krankiev 2 years ago
most of it is still used for food. the waste is fed to cattle and pigs and has a far higher fat and protein content than the raw seed.
TheCaptainLulz 2 years ago
Petroleum prices are making food prices higher too. Tractors that run on petroleum fuel cost more to run, therefore the farmer charges more for his crop... duh.
Raksaht 3 years ago
imagine a world that can run on 2 cubic meters of water. Its cauled hydrogen fussion.
Video is out dated
geraboldy 3 years ago
where is my fusion reactor? show me a working one.
With all due sympathy I hate it when people talk about so-called 'solutions' like they can be done right now when for all we know it could be 100 years from now or NEVER.
mattizzle81 3 years ago
let opex grow some corn, oil like food keeps the world turning
guysmalley 3 years ago
ANNNNNNNNNNDDDD ALGAE can be added to the existing coal infrastructure of the USA!!!!!
killmaster 3 years ago
ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE
its a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more productive then corn, takes less space bu utilizing height as well as area, can be grown in reactors in deserts where crops can't be grown, and can produce OIL, ETHENOL AND PROTIEN!!!
ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE ALGAE
killmaster 3 years ago 2
America's addicted to oil?????? NO KIDDING...... So let's work this out; if America is an Oiladdict shouldnt we instead of giving her "Healthier" drugs, just send her to rehab. I mean, at least that way you wont be feeding America's addiction at the expense of POOR FAMILIES...
DANpupu 3 years ago
If the women of the developing world would close their damn legs and say "no" every once in a while, then maybe their vaginas wouldn't belch up so many starving children.
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
I hope you die you inconsiderate faggot motherfucker
HijackedTruth 3 years ago
Don't blame the women, blame the belief systems like when women are told that they will go to hell if they use any kind of birthcontrol. And don't forget people it takes a woman AND a man to create a baby. 1 man can impregnate many women every time their seed is spilled. Women can only have 1 child a year at most. Do the math. Men need to keep it in their pants period.
leahferne 3 years ago
theres no food shortage in china theres food everywhere at dirt cheap prices how about a watermelon for a quarter, even then the average chinese whos not a farmer still grows food not lawns on their property , take a lesson world how can the nation with the most people have abundant food at very low prices , its bad management elsewhere, thats the cause -on the opther hand most of the world has been bashing the usa choking its oil shippments with high prices , so choose your weapon oil or food
knightspy 3 years ago
stop this madness now,stupid politicians and there carbon quotas-
jamesjnr67 3 years ago
I think it's about time something like this happened. We can't carry on like we are, the world population is simply out of control. I see this food shortage as 'natural population control'. If there is not enough food to go around people die! We are just animals after all, no matter what people say we are not exempt from the rules of nature. THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE POVERTY IS BY REDUCING THE POPULATION! I know I probably sound like a sadistic mother fu**er but it's a nessecary evil.
vhpacer 3 years ago
Reduce your mother first, Hitler. You're a pathetic wimp and I just hope, you're none of my friends. And please, just use a condom!
Arfurt 3 years ago
short ass ur right
webstersafc 3 years ago
if its not corn its oil... it never ends. this country is going to shit cause the politicians are more worried about their wallets and the wallets of their rich buddies. As long as they are making money who cares about the working people. My husband builds storage tanks for ethanol and biodiesel plants so I cant really complain. its putting food on our table
shortass1978 3 years ago
It takes a gallon of fuel to make a gallon of ethanol from corn. It is a political tool to help mega farms!
We should use switch grass or hemp to produce ethanol. But as usual a good idea has been corrupted to help the rich.
nowellian 3 years ago
What I find interesting is my enemies "GreenPeace" are totally against biofuels and ethanol because of the severe destruction that is being done to the forests to grow corn.
For once in my life I say Go GreenPeace!
justaquicklook 3 years ago 2
WRONG!!!!! My family farms over 1,000 acres. We haven't grown food crops in 2 years because we make more money selling fuel crops and selling it to the government at a huge inflated price that they set. Ethanol has a shelf life of 90 days and totally destroys rubber gaskets and eats metal...I wouldn't run it in my lawnmower.
Your countries policies are best described as "Shoot Self In Foot". We can't help but sit back and laugh while you guys commit economic suicide.
justaquicklook 3 years ago 2
food is more expensive because production and transportation is more expensive. there is an overkill of food made...we don't even need as much as we produce. ethanol is a fuel made for gasoline cars, bio diesel is easy as taking pure corn oil and putting it in your gas tank. thanol needs to be refined..just like gasoline..which is why its not black when you put it in your car..that takes consumption as well..you need to look at this as an alternative..there are more then one to chose from..
mikee2503 3 years ago
That might be hapening in Us or other countries... i am a engineering student, and had the oportunity to meet the man responsible for create the biofuel production here in Brazil(a UFRJ professor), and i must say that that will not will happen here... at least in a close future.. who knows what will happen if bad people start controlling the system?
Sidnelsom 3 years ago 2
food is more expensive because the poor are consuming more. now the economy is simply adjusting itself to keep the poor foodless.
its the sadistic ways of the invisible hand.
cubaneiros 3 years ago
Ethanol production is inefficient now, but i gather it will become much more efficient this year with new plants that will use more of the celluse based corn tusk.
vancouverbluz 3 years ago
i sympathise with you guys from canada and the USA but here in europe (united kingdom) we are suffering the start of a major ressesion.
the price for diesel fuel is £1.23pence per litre of fuel that is 10 USD per Gallon. our goverment just does not listen to us and continues to levy 17.5% tax and 60p per litre fuel tax so we are taxed twice great britain is no longer great.
blisterj 3 years ago
2 reasons u guys got hard times: USA's sudden obsession with ethanol, which means our farmers don't wana farm wheat, or anything else- just corn. so all prices on crops are going up. 2nd reason- your "free health care"
biguglytrux 3 years ago
I hear you, that is insanely high. What frightens us in the USA is that we can't have prices get that high here. Our nation is huge and we only have infrastructure for trucks. At $10 per gallon we turn into a third world nation. That being said I oppose ethanol in the United States, it is a recipe for a global famine.
poetsonghotmail 3 years ago
mexico- tortilla prices up 60% (according to this report). wow. u think u got a problem with illegal aliens now. just wait! and what's gonna happen when we got enough ethanol that we don't even need oil from mexico, our #2 seller (canada's #1)?
biguglytrux 3 years ago
From a Canadian: We are right now expanding our capacity to produce energy in all their forms (Uranium, Crude Oil, Homemade Ethanol, Windmills, etc...)and we are happy to sell it to you so we can pay for the outrageous cost of our social handouts.
I wonder what will happen the day we will push Mexico out of the US energy market... At least they will have food...
SatanicCod 3 years ago
sataniccod - MEXICAN SLAVE LABOR already has plans to invade the Canadian labor market and as k for free handouts to canadian social welfare.
vancouverbluz 3 years ago
Two words:
Land mines
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
Global warming is a scam cooked up by the jews to try and stop the arabs from selling their oil. Its nothing more than a global pseudo intellectual fad.
MuslimGhost 3 years ago 3
What will those Einsteins say when the first big drought happens, as it certainly will. Oops? Oil can be drilled 365 days a year in any climate and is unaffected by drought, floods, hurricanes.
Ethanol takes 80% of the energy it creates to produce.
Automedon2 3 years ago
good point about what if there's a drought (and there will be!). i saw on th history channel a show about ethanol and they said it takes 1 gallon of gas (diesel, mostly) to produce 1.3gallons of ethanol. this whole thing is madness. there's nothng wrong with oil, except that congress won't let the US drill in ANWR or off the coast of FLA
biguglytrux 3 years ago
well anwr being the alaskan wildlife refuge might be part of congress' relucance to allow drilling there. Oil drilling is not good for the enviroment so why would they allow it in a wildlife refuge? also if your concerned about the oil crisis than walk more ride a bike even get a wagon and some horses thats the real way to cut back on oil consumption
muwhfucker 3 years ago 2
the area in question for drilling is not even as big a folded up newspaper thrown into a tennis court(tennis court being ANWR). i'd love to do more horseback riding, but i don't want to make too big a carbon footprint. besides, these days, a horse-drawn wagon would not be allowed in most places- definitely not in Tampa. we don't have to cut back on consumption. THAT's what makes all of this a big fat fraud.
biguglytrux 3 years ago
well anwr being the alaskan wildlife refuge might be part of congress' relucance to allow drilling there. Oil drilling is not good for the enviroment so why would they allow it in a wildlife refuge? also if your concerned about the oil crisis than walk more ride a bike even get a wagon and some horses thats the real way to cut back on oil consumption
muwhfucker 3 years ago
What a freaking hypocrite - It's the anti-oil factions that pitched the ethanol thing in the first place
Automedon2 3 years ago
Ethanol ends up polluting triple what gasoline does in the end. Its all idiotic politics and pig scientists with money in corn.
masteropie001 3 years ago
WAKE UP PEOPLE. the worlds precious food supplies are being turned into biofuel. Millions in poor countries may starve just so we can run our cars
coppull 3 years ago 2
We aren't taking their food.
It's just that we have been feeding them for years while their birthrate skyrockets. Now we've decided to stop feeding them and they get mad.
It is THEIR problem and if they want to fix it, they should stop having so many babies and start cultivating more of their own food.
dkrustyklown 3 years ago 2
Geothermal Energy is the solution. Look into it.
kryz24v 3 years ago
Soon we will depend on foreign nations for oil AND food...
jamesdl00 3 years ago 2
YEP!
biguglytrux 3 years ago
thanks
greentoes1234 3 years ago
Cry me a river. Meat is murder. Boo hoo, fat americans can't kill animals and eat them and die from chronic diseases caused by excess meat. Bring on the higher feed prices.
yadeyrinii 3 years ago
hydrogen engine
tfcdomprice 3 years ago
Hi Everyone! I've got the best and easiest solution!! It's in using the best, fastest growing crop in the world: ALGAE It outproduces corn by 500times. Don't let them corner you into thinking corn is the only biomass!! You can produce as much as you need in the space taken by a normal car! Keep thinking!!
jesslessthemess 3 years ago
But Archer-Daniels corp doesn't grow algae.
jamesdl00 3 years ago 2
I see you read the CNN article on the guy in texas who is doing some amazing things with algae in verticle hanging stacks? The amount of viable material this would produce per acre is insane! They fiddle with it in the past, Pondscum essentially but never thought it viable at then oil prices.
bentpreacher 3 years ago 2
pond scum! thats what crude oil is, essentially- just on an oceanwide scale.
biguglytrux 3 years ago
The point is clear: if you screw us with high oil prices, we will fuck you over with high grain prices.
America is the world's largest exporter of grain products. One day we may stop exporting them or only to our closest allies. Guess what will those OPEC thugs be eating, sand? Lol!
mkreisel 3 years ago 3
uhh yeah, bright genius. so we screw ourselves too with high food prices?
talktal 3 years ago
"America is the world's largest exporter of grain products. One day we may stop exporting them or only to our closest allies. Guess what will those OPEC thugs be eating, sand? Lol! "
We should do what they do with their oil. Charge Americans less for food and rake the oil producing countries over the coals.
Automedon2 3 years ago 4
I've been saying that for years!
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
screw bush, he enjoys making a bad situation worse. he isnt helping the earth any, he's just creating a new empire and driving food prices higher. he already screwed us with oil. will someone please impeachment the moron???
talktal 3 years ago
talktal, The Democrats are too afraid of Bush. They are all talk no action. They speak out against the war, but still vote to fund it.
ClamLuvr 3 years ago
Anyone okay with using genetic engineering on ethanol crops such as corn, switch grass, sugar can, sugar beats, etc. to increase the potential throughput and praticality of ethanol?
Vearrow 3 years ago
A renewable fuel source, no more dependency on foreign fuel sources from people that rather do harm to us. Nothing wrong with that, other than the obvious politicians and their special intrest favors they owe. I would rather give my money to an American Farmer than a Saudi Sheik. Atleast the American Farmer will put the money back into our economy. But unfortunatly the Saudi Sheik has the U.S. by the balls and won't let go with out a fight.
greentoes1234 3 years ago 3
FINALLY! Someone with a brain!
salemcripple 3 years ago 2
bush is a imbecile he's talking about an addiction to oil, when we got young guys over seas who are fighting to protect his oil assets
minorthreat89 4 years ago
The long and the short of it is that even if we put ALL of the AG land in America to corn for ethanol we could not do more than 12-16% of our total oil consumption. Their are much better ways, efficiency, cellolousic ethanol (from trees/grass), and plug in electric cars and trucks that get hundreds of miles per gallon.
The only good thing about the ethanol push from the Bush Administration is that it is getting people to admit we have a problem.
OnestrawRob 4 years ago
ethanol is not sustainable, It takes masive amounts of water and energy to produce. It the pipe dream of big business.
bluzy25 4 years ago 3
thats why we should use hemp....it takes no fertiliser or pesticides and not much water either....its a fucking weed for christs sake lol
iloveallecchianime 4 years ago
Biofuel can't solve our climate crisis. The only reason why people think so is that big corporationens make the illusion that it's green and CO2 neutral. see biofuel watch
benjaminbro 4 years ago 2
fair enough that petrol prices are bloody high, but too many people are trying to talk other people out of getting a high powered car, and i've had a fucking gut full of it. no young driver on their p-plates can drive anything but a rusted old 2 tonne, 50bhp ford laser or a simular sort of car. these australian hoon laws are just out of control. the australian government just doesn't give a rats ass.
jam3z07 4 years ago
LOL, in the 70's tree-huggers scream for this fuel to pushed into the mainstream, now they say it'll inflict starvation on the world. The answer is simple, just have more farmers grow corn, and the price will even out. A 9yo can understand that, and eventually that's what will happen. The real problem is that most populations have allowed themselves to become disconnected from producing their own food. The industrial revolution is still young, some adjustment is expected.
A1R5N1P3R 4 years ago
A renewable fuel source, no more dependency on foreign fuel sources from people that rather do harm to us. Nothing wrong with that, other than the obvious politicians and their special intrest favors they owe. I would rather give my money to an American Farmer than a Saudi Sheik. Atleast the American Farmer will put the money back into our economy. But unfortunatly the Saudi Sheik has the U.S. by the balls and won't let go with out a fight.