5:15 Compassion? Six your old child nearly dies at hands of angry father.
This video employs one of the oldest tricks in the book, scare everyone over to our side. If Hell is eternal, then the maker of Hell is NOT just. He does not give just punishment. He is guilty of wrath, a mortal sin.
Why don't you work on the plank in your own eye instead of picking on other people?! Anyone who sends a vid like this in response to someone's pain is a terrorist and has a big black void in his own heart.
Did it scare you over to our side? No? That's not necessarily the video's intention, but it is a warning of the reality of God's judgment.
Are you the arbiter of justice, or is God? Wrath is a sin for fallible men, but it is the infinitely holy arbiter's prerogative.
I know it's terrible to warn others of their impending danger, it's so cruel. It would be more appropriate to speak peace falsely, and lull them into hell by reassuring them it won't actually happen.
If "wrath is a sin for fallen men" and wrath is the "holy arbiter's prerogative" what does that make the "holy arbiter"? Could he be (shudder) sinful?!
What's terrible is to concoct a story about pain and darkness for those who will not convert to a popular ideology. Have you ever even SEEN Hell or just read anecdotal evidence for it? That's what I thought.
I think you're jealous of those who have peace, so you throw stones.
If warning of God's wrath is a "terroristic action" then I suppose so, but it really doesn't matter if you like it or not.
No, because He is the arbiter - the judge - the one who possesses the prerogative. There is an infinite difference between the holy God's wrath, and sinful man's.
I have concocted no such thing, but Jesus Christ revealed it in the scriptures. It is His word which I am repeating to you.
Jealous of a false peace while under God's wrath? No.
You must come to understand that this warning is one from the scripture, according to Christ's word. It is not a personal vendetta against you or anyone else. However, you would do well to be warned - just as you would do well to be warned before drinking poison. If this warning is hateful, then that warning would also be hateful.
@FillTheirVoid Which words of the Bible did Jesus pen? Have you ever SEEN Hell? Have you ever SEEN Heaven? I don't mean the clouds and blue sky. It's just not right that people depend on the opinions of a group of men who swear that Jesus came to save the world from wrath, and, yet, when they began to write down the story of their Jesus, couldn't produce one shred of proof that he ever existed, not even his written testimony! I don't trust the story without corroborating evidence.
@FillTheirVoid Warn me all you like, but remember that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, or so that saying goes. When you can show me proof that Jesus is actually real, then I will believe in his existence. That still doesn't mean I will trust that he was good. Lots of things in the Bible are evil, like mass rape, blood sacrifice, genocide, genital mutilation, misogyny. Who's to say that this Jesus was actually good, if he agreed with Torah? What if it's wrong?
You will never get the sort of "proof" which you so proudly demand of Him until the day of judgment. Like I said, He commands us to have faith. Adam and eve, and the twelve apostles - were given a special privilege.
"Evil" according to whose determination? Are you the supreme judge over all of your creation? Are you the god of God?
@FillTheirVoid I'm surprised that you feel you are the judge of me, calling me proud! We have the right to judge the veracity of ridiculous claims like that some judge in the sky we've never seen is going to prove to the world that he exists, but just a little too late to do anything about it. Some of you Christians, like yourself, argue that we don't have that right. You claim that if we flee from the brainwashing, we will be damned. Sin is a myth for controlling the masses.
@FillTheirVoid Okay, you really should hear yourself write! I don't know why I bother fighting with Christians! Oh, yeah, it was because you picked on a boy who dressed like a girl. Of course, you probably think that is wrong, even though I say it hurts NO ONE and, remember, your god is a "big boy" so he's not hurt by it either. You should pick on someone your own size, bully! I'm done wasting my time on you! Guys like you never change! Have a nice life.
How is your condemnation of me relevant in any way whatsoever? Upon what basis are you making these accusations? Do you fancy yourself to be the arbiter of both good and evil?
All I am doing is relating the judgment of God in these matters. As I stated previously, your problem is with the God who created you - not me.
You're far too interested in me, and yourself - and far too little interested in the judgments of the ruler of the universe in which you dwell. At least, until He may kick you out of it.
@FillTheirVoid There is no ruler of this universe. If there is one, why did he leave about 2,000,000 meteorites(large and small) in wayward trajectories, threatening our very existence ? Why does this creator create life, to cut it down even before birth ? 4,500,000 stillbirths a year ? Why do 100,000 INNOCENT children perish , suffocating under the rubble in Haiti ? You have no answer.
There is a ruler of this created universe, the alternative is logically absurd. God doesn't think like humans do, He controls those meteorites with omnipotence - He doesn't make things the way we would necessarily expect - Nor could we judge His actions based upon what we as human creatures think.
There are no innocent children of adam. We live in a world which is under God's curse for our sin. Mercy is the exception.
@FillTheirVoid He controls those meteorites with omnipotence>. untill they crash to earth. We humans call god loving, caring, compassionate, according to human standards. If his actions are not loving, according to human standards, only fools can call him loving. We have no other standards. We cannot call god loving, if he is loving according to some divine standard, because we don`t know this divine standard..
@FillTheirVoid There are no innocent children of adam; Sir, I use common sense in my jugment, not some divine standard.Childen are innocent by any standard. People are basically good. Never have people shown so much care, have been so generous to the downtrodden as today. I am sorry I cannot continue a discussion unless you use human standards. Have a good life
I'm sorry sir but you are not God, you're a creature - you live in His world and play by His rules. We use God's standards of judgment and morality, He is the judge - not us.
We do know His standard according to the scripture, and what He has revealed about the nature of mankind and this world.
If you don't want to accept His judgment that's fine - but it remains regardless and you will continue to experience it's reality.
@FillTheirVoid We do know His standard according to the scripture: SureWitches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. The word of God
Crushed by the cross they've held so dear. Betrayed by their faith as they cry. Defeated again, the masses are helpless. Feeble slaves in the eyes of the new god. The temple resounds with rites of Satan. It is time to witness our new master. The left-handed path now beckons. Holy eyes weep the blood of their god. A chasm of infinity awaits now awaits. Blackness of entropy, you belong to Lucifer. Burning churches echo with the hymns of doom. Cower and behold the death of your false hope.
@FillTheirVoid ..dictions: is god a man of war or peace? exodus 15:3 The lord is a man of war: the lord is his name. romans 15:33 Now the god of peace be with you all. Amen. Can you explain that? Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1) Can you explain that? Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem? Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40) No (Joshua 15:63) I have read psalm 22 and it says nothing of a crucifixion, can you..
Psalm 22 is a precise and vivid depiction of the crucifixion of Christ ... however it does not literally state that He was placed on a cross.
I've already given you a multitude of clearly fulfilled prophesies, and I have answered your questions and objections thoroughly. Your inability to comprehend the meaning of words and the implications of the fulfillment of prophecy does not negate the truth or the veracity of the scripture.
Micah 5:2 - Christ is the ruler over the entire universe, though His physical reign from jerusalem is future.
Malachi 3:1 - Yes, john was the messenger spoken of ... isaiah speaks of the same prophecy.
Zechariah 9:9 - He did have prior knowledge, though it is the combination of the prophecies which makes the significant. He was also greeted as a king upon His arrival.
Zechariah 12:10 Speaks of His piercing, and the people beholding Him. Psalm 22 speaks of the same.
(Micah 5:2) So you think that he will come back, eventhough he hasn't been back in 2000 years?
(Malachi 3:1) And what significance does it have?
(Zechariah 9:9) If he had prior knowledge and fufilled the prophecies deliberately, then that doesn't give any significance to me.
(Zechariah 12:10) It's a very vague reference to being crucified, surely pierced could mean other things such as stabbed or hit with an arrow? (Psalm 22) How is that a reference to Jesus?
Of course He will return, the period of time passed makes no difference whatsoever.
The significance is the fact that the prophecy was fulfilled, john was sent to precede Christ.
As I stated, it is the combination of so many prophecies which makes this significant. Furthermore, He was welcomed as a king.
Well it states that He will be looked upon, there was no word such as "crucified" at the time of it's authorship. Psalm 22 describes Jesus' crucifixion in VIVID detail.
Deuteronomy 18:18 - Speaks of the prophet like unto moses. Christ fulfilled this when He went to the mount to teach His law ... moses received his law on a mount also. Moses's arrival and deliverance of the people was preceded by a slaughter of children, Christ's was also. Moses wandered the desert, Christ did also. Moses led the people out of slavery, Christ did also.
Jeremiah 31:31 - Yes ... and later within the NT we learn that the gentiles have been grafted into israel.
@FillTheirVoid (Deut. 18:18) So those 4 similarities make Jesus relevant, eventhough moses encouraged eye for an eye (also present in Islam, btw I'm not a muslim) and jesus encouraged love thy neighbour and turn the other cheek?
(Jeremiah 31:31) Gentiles cover a huge range of people, not just the people of Judah
The fufillment of that prophecy was deliberate, and you have not (forgive me if I have missed something) explained how fufilling prophecies gives him divinty or makes the entire...
Yes, of course there are more ... but Christ is the fulfillment of the prophecy in this regard. Being a prophet like unto moses doesn't mean He will teach exactly the same thing.
Yes, and they will be grafted in ...
What prophecy was deliberate? The establishment of an effectual new covenant? No joe shmoe can do something like that in any meaningful way and succeed in bringing gentiles to faith in the LORD.
The fulfillment of prophecy undeniably indicates it's veracity.
You have completely ignored my question, don't worry I expect it from christians, about how Jesus' divinity is related to the "fufillment of prophecies"
The combination of prophecies? give me some more examples if you wish, as I said how most of the ones that you gave me were either irrelevant or false, and so cannot be used as evidence.
Can you give me any further examples?
And what do you think of evolution and the big bang? (this question is loaded)
Have you never studied logic? Or have you simply been so brainwashed by the ridiculously laughable argumentation of the ignorant?
The age of the scripture has none effect upon it's veracity or relevance, truth is immutable ... it never becomes "out of date".
If it did become "out of date" then I may reject even today's ideas ... because they will be irrelevant within a few years. Therefore you would be lost in a maze of meaninglessness and groping in darkness. Oh wait ...
@FillTheirVoid Studied logic? How do you study logic lol? I have logic if that's what you mean, but how on earth can you say that I have been "brainwashed by the ridiculously laughable argumentation of the ignorant" when you are a Christian, believing such a self-contradictory, two-faced, unsupported book with a sadistic god who "loves us" but we are meant to fear - sounds to me like an abusive parent.
If you want logic then here's something for you: if god is unchanging, if moses was...
@FillTheirVoid ...a messenger of god and Jesus was god himself (which he never actually says, even saying that only god must be worshipped and not him), then how on earth are the contradictions and inconsistancy within the bible, e.g. "eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek".
If he is unchanging then he still wants non-believers who try to deconvert believers to be killed (Deuteronomy 13:6-11), a most definite inconsistency with "turn the other cheek".
Yes, only God should be worshiped ... this does not exclude Him in any way.
It is still immoral to turn people away from the true God. God Himself is unchanging, however we are now under the covenant of grace. Turning the cheek is a personal principle, not a law.
God is both a man of war and peace ...
God employed satan in order to accomplish His will in that david should in fact count the men.
Your reference toward joshua isn't accurate ... what are you talking about?
@FillTheirVoid Wait a second? how on earth does the fufillment of prophecies lead to the bible's veracity? If i made up a story that fufilled a prophecy, then surely is would be true by that very same logic?
Have you never studied logic? Or have you simply been so brainwashed by the ridiculously laughable argumentation of the ignorant?
@FillTheirVoid A person who believes Killing if god commands you is not murder, and that disobeying god is going to hell.
Is a person who only worships god because he fears him.
A god that would demand a human to kill anyone, is either a weak god, or a malicious god that likes "toying with his playthings".
Even if the prophecies before mentioned weren't broad, the only that was ever specific is jesus's birth which only in the gospels will you find the tale of a specific king.
You presume that your personal "morality" is superior in authority to the God who created life itself. God Himself is the supreme moral authority, if your actions or beliefs differ from His ... guess whose wrong?
It's all about you and your determinations and your desires and your morality ... like I said ... you've made yourself into deity.
@FillTheirVoid Made myself into a deity? Because I questioned the one you call god.
Not only do you fail to provide any solid evidence that this god exists. You attempt pseudo-intellectual arguments that are only 1 step above trolling.
Just because he created us, we should obey.
Yet if we played god with robots and robots rebelled. You would say we got what we deserved.
Why does that same rule not apply to your god?
You fail on an intellectual level because you won't answer a simple question.
Yes, you view yourself as the determiner of all things ... you believe that your personal morality is superior to the supreme God. This is not a biblical position, it is a position of arrogance and self deification.
God commands us to have faith, to "provide solid evidence" would be self refuting.
Yes ... He is the supreme God and our Creator ... obedience is therefore a logical necessity.
He is the supreme authority ... do you not understand what those words mean?
@FillTheirVoid I understand you're avoiding the question. Using psychological arguments as an attempt to push the moral argument on me, while you hop on a "moral high horse".
If god commanded you to kill your child, because he believed he was evil. Would you do it? Do you think other people would see it your way?
Is god, so uncertain, so fearful, that he is afraid of a question, from an ignorant, insignificant, APE.
Questioning authority, is required. Otherwise, say hello to Hitler2 for me.
Do you understand what the words infallible, supreme, and omniscient mean? Or do you refuse to allow me to define my own position? The only logical answer to your question is an undeniably yes, absolutely ... there is no other rational answer. If you deny that this is obviously the case, then you are either dishonest, or lack the mental capacity to comprehend your own question.
@FillTheirVoid "God commands us to have faith, to 'provide solid evidence' would be self refuting."
I disagree. According to your Scriptures, God did not require of Adam and Eve faith in his existence for their salvation. Neither was doubting Thomas required to have faith. Jesus supposedly presented himself bodily to Thomas. "If you believe in your heart. . . " Did Thomas believe in his heart? Before seeing with his eyes, feeling with his finger? He also ate before the 12. Faith?
Please may you answer my queries on the references you gave me and could you answer me this: how does fufilling prophecies give jesus divinity or show that the bible is true?
Malachi 1:11 Speaks about the gentiles being brought to faith in the LORD. Through Christ this was accomplished, in John 4:21 Christ is speaking to a gentile woman and alluding the Malachi 1:11 in the fact that the temple will no longer be the central place of worship ... but that the LORD is to be worshiped throughout the entire world in spirit and in truth.
Obviously we see the fulfillment of this prophecy today, in that the LORD's name is great among the nations.
Wait a minute.... So, according to a verse that you mentioned yourself in this video (Rev. 21:8), Wouldn't all the people that killed in the name of god go to hell?
Oh, that wasn't murder ... they were obeying God's command. In fact, they would have been damned if they refused to kill them, seeing as how sin is disobedience to God.
Converted murderers will go to heaven, their sins have been forgiven them. However, no Christian would persist as an unrepentant murderer.
No, it isn't ... there is a significant difference between killing and murder.
No, their salvation isn't dependent upon their pathetic "good" deeds. The scripture states that even our "good" works are like filthy rags before God. You can't go into a jewelry store and purchase a diamond with your dirty laundry.
They go to heaven because Christ has atoned for their sins upon the cross and merited their salvation for them.
Yes, and I'm the king of france. If he would have, yes.
So now that we have established that christianity is immoral, surely? Hitler, widely considered to be one of the most immoral people in history, would be rewarded for eternity, according to your religion.
According to whose determination? God is the arbiter of all justice and morality, not the arbitrary and relative opinions of ignorant men.
Had hitler repented and believed he would only be "rewarded" by the merits of Christ's life, and forgiven upon the basis of His atoning work. Indeed, Christ's blood is so worthy that God may forgive the worst of sinners.
God had commanded it to be done, and that justly. Murder is an unjust killing typically for one's own selfish motivations.
The LORD God is eternal ... He is the ultimate authority and has in times past dictated to us His specific commandments, which obviously take precedence.
Yes, absolutely ... whosoever that repents unto God through Christ will be saved.
Actually, the bible presents us with a distinguishing factor between the living God and false religions. The bible contains within it specific prophecy, most radically fulfilled in Christ.
@FillTheirVoid Now you are glorifying god, without even showing to me that it is true (the bible doesn't prove god). Why is your religion right and all the others wrong?
You say prophecy, now can you give me a fufillment of a prophecy that is:
1)Gives specific details
2)Dictates an unlikely event to occur
3)Has not been fufilled deliberately from prior knowledgei.e. fufilled when the fufiller (as such) knows what the prophecy is
There is no evidence for a sky daddy supreme authority.
There are hundreds, if not thousands ... but I will give you a couple. The accumulation of these prophecies and their fulfillment results in an astronomical probability.
I believe was and is God and the reason he came was to satisfy Gods Holy standard by Dieing on the cross so we who believe it are forgiven and saved from eternal punishment.
While those who reject it will suffer that punishment that they will forever know they could have avoided.
Understand, to the Nazi's their intentions were "good". To the Germans, their intentions were "good". To the Jews (and most of the world), of course their intentions were bad.
I could say, that your intentions of spreading fear into people to believe in "God" is bad, because it can be seen as a form of "brain-washing", and mindlessly believe in something, just as the Nazi's did.
No, you have an incorrect and relativistic view on morality. If you hold to such a view, your opinion regarding my actions, or those of the nazis is essentially meaningless.
The authority which I possess whereby I warn men of God's impending judgment is entrusted to me by God Himself. In doing His will, this is how I know that it is good.
Indeed, if you were to die and go to hell without being warned, would you not then accuse?
Some things you should be afraid of, especially a just God.
The fact remains that you are still brainwashing people into believing what you do. Threats of eternal damnation, only to be nullified once they pass on.
If said God did exist, then I would be inclined to fear him.
I wouldn't call warning them about God's impending judgment "brainwashing" but if that's how you feel that's fine, I don't really care. When they do pass on they will certainly recognize that they were in fact warned.
You're making a false presumption, if said God did exist then said God's word would be accurate, no? Said God's word states that even though He does exist men will not fear Him. Therefore it is to be expected that you won't.
No, it's not supposed to prove anything except the fact that if the God of the bible is real, then His word must be true. Which obviously includes the fact that there will be unbelievers, and that salvation is by grace through faith in Him. Your reasoning however is convoluted and false.
Of course it is false, I just used your same argument.
To the fact that you "must believe to be saved", is totally irrelevant. The fact that you are imposing fear to believe in "him", is still a negative, and fallacious argument. Appeal to fear. Therefore, your argument is moot.
There really isn't even an argument presented here ... all I intended upon doing was warning unbelievers of their danger. The scripture says that they don't fear God, so how could I change that? No ... my desire is to tell you the truth and that's all. God is the one who converts a man or woman for Himself, and He doesn't do that through clever arguments or persuasion but rather the preaching of the Gospel.
"even if you don't want that" ... no, but we do want it. There is freedom in slavery to God, and life, and joy, and all good gifts.
One must obey God's will, not their own ... for such will end in damnation.
No, there is no freedom in hell ... only misery and imprisonment in the furnace. The scripture clearly states hell's eternality. As it is written: the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night forever.
There is no "eternal slavery" for following and obeying the will of our Creator. Rather He gives us life and freedom in Him and love and every good and decent thing. This is clearly demonstrated within the creation which He has made.
All the appeals to fear this God come from a book. If not for the Bible, this God would fall silent and powerless. Why fear a God that gets its power from the printing press? Faith in such a God would be likely to tear just as easily as the thin pages of a Bible.
Not all the knowledge which we have about the Creator come from His written revelation. However, the majority and specifics of it does. The scripture states that God's word will stand forever ...
He is fully powerful and self sufficient by Himself, He has no need to reveal anything to us ...
Of course men would reject Him if He hid His face from us ... they wouldn't even recognize Him. Furthermore, even if they did they would still reject because they're evil and He is holy.
@FillTheirVoid If scripture states God's word will stand forever, doesn't that mean the Bible states that the Bible will stand forever. It is an unfair disadvantage that a God would show his face primarily through written revelation yet provides no way to validate the Bible except by appealing to the Bible. Why is it important to warn others to fear a God whom you say is so powerful and self-sufficient by himself, he has no need to reveal anything to us? It sounds like a game of hide and seek.
You're currently on your way to eternal doom. Salvation is offered if you repent and believe in Christ. To reject will result in arriving at your current destination.
It's kind of like speeding down a road having a lot of fun and ignoring the signs about an upcoming cliff and refusing to take the off ramp because it's not as aesthetically appealing.
you don't understand that you're using a scare tactic to appeal to peoples' weaknesses and that it is morally despicable, then?
it won't work on me, though. i know i'm not living a horrible life or hurting people. i love people and help them whenever i can, and even if it turns out i do go to hell, i will be happy with the choice i made knowing i did good for other people anyway.
thanks for your concern, but i've heard this before. ;P
It may be a scare tactic to warn people about using drugs, or their need for a safety belt in the car. Some things we should be afraid of, and the Holy God, and His judgment is the most important.
Your moral judgments are meaningless, the only one who has authority in this matter is God. He has commanded us to preach the Gospel, this includes His judgment, commandments, and offer of salvation.
This is between you and God, it is Him whom you have sinned against. Your "goodness and love" fails.
yes, but we know drugs and safety belts exist and there isn't a debate about the improbability of them existing, so it's a whole nother matter.
You've basically just told me that my goodness and love is not real or substantial or good enough, and I just can't be a good person because I don't believe, right?
No.
That's where you appear to fail, my friend. By hurting another person for the sake of your religion, YOU have just failed.
And here I end this conversation. Nice talking with you.
I can't reject someone imaginary or who never was. Why don't you "fill me in" on when you became a believer and why? Who were the brainwash'ers in your life who made you ignore every other belief or to learn?
Joshua (which you can't say) is a misspelling of J·hoshuqh, one of the mass-murderers in your Buybull. Your Gods were evil sinful monsters and you cannot read your own pap propaganda.
Why don't you answer the verse in my last tweet? twitter.com/alysdexia
You've indeed rejected your Creator, such foolishness ...
I'm not afraid of you, I'm just not interested in hearing what you have to say. I can hardly even understand what you're saying anyway.
I became a believer when God called me to salvation in His Son Jesus Christ. I read the scriptures, I became utterly convinced, and continued in faith. That was a few years ago, and I had no other influence except my own mind and my God. I was not raised a believer.
There're billions of fake Gods and yours is no more special or real. There were ~13 Gods in both Testaments, and many sons of Gods (read the Hibirijt—evanghelists cannot—in translations it was covered up as angels). Your Giizas Grayst was fictional and a clear sinner; he had nothing to do with the later profèties, and he broke God's (one of them) laws. Lists of sins in Tanac/Gospels and 32 deadly sins in Romans 1 they were all mainly guilty of.
God was the first liar in the garden; they did not die in the very day they ate; it was a standard fa'ther's empty threat, and your "spiritual card" is BS. And every time God threatend to wipe out some ethnic group in the Nev-ijm, he faild. Of course unless the book was written after the fact, as the hoaxes often were to scare ineducate born-yesterdays lik you. Now see the links on alysdexia's channel. If you can't wit English, Latin, Hellènic, and Hibirjt, that is your fault, not mine.
Did you know the scripture says the first predators came to being in the time of Judges?
You moron.
The scripture also says the Earth is flat, the sky is a solid dome (check Job).
The scripture also says not seing an invisible thing is a sin. Visiting a doctor is sin. That witches exists. That you shall kill disobediant children, not wearing clothes from more then one material, giants lives, angels procriate men, God lies and rapes people then forces them to eat their own children.
Yes I am totally confident in the LORD and the accuracy of the scripture.
Apparently you don't understand it, at all. I'd respond and help if you would cite the verses. It's not too difficult, really.
If you continue in your ignorance and rebellion against the Creator you will be damned to hell. Salvation is freely offered to you in Jesus Christ if you would repent and believe.
I demand going into Hell, whatever it is (another evangelist said it doesn't exist according to the Scripture), if your god is like it is in the Bible, and in Heaven are the likes of you.
I'd respond you if you'd say more than "I'm disagree".
Also I said: do the Mount Carmel challenge. 1 Kings 18. If your god can't pass the test, it is a false idol, and all of its priests shall be executed - according to the Bible. 1 Kings chapter 18 as I said.
Hell is the place of God's wrath, it is described as a furnace of fire where people cry in agony. That "evangelist" is obviously either severely mistaken, or lying.
The Creator and giver of your life is indeed the God of the bible, and in heaven are those who are conformed to the image of His Son. Those who have believed on His name.
However in hell are all evildoers.
"Thou shalt not put the LORD your God to the test." You're misunderstanding 1 kings.
No I'm not. That is a scientific method identifying true gods from false idols, and what to do with their priests.
You are a liar and proudly confessing it. You are an evildoer of humanity still attaching yourself to bronze-age fairytales.
You have no arguments, you are just liiying with pale face. I'm quit, because nothing can touch you, except maybe electricity. Or that's too a theory? I hope you'll drink poison to prove yourself to the world.
There isn't actually anything scientific about it. Furthermore, that was a specific instance where God moved in such a way for a specific purpose. It wasn't given as a model for testing anything. The scripture and Holy Spirit of God is given for that.
I am not lying, however I was formerly an evildoer before God. Thankfully salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone.
Am I an enemy of the world system which is in rebellion against God? Yes, absolutely!
In 1 Kings 18 the Bible gives a repeatable experiment to identify true gods anytime. That fulfills the requirement for being a scientific experiment.
You are lying, and you are currently an evildoer, because you are a follower of a malevolent god.
You are a rebellion against sanity, survival and the whole world what never did anything against you and your kind, but what you attacked from sheer ignorance and what you want to destroy for no sane reason.
You are lying and you don't even know what moral is.
You rebell against a world because you are a pranoid schisophrenic haulicinating mentally ill person.
Well, the government, the police, the judges can charge you. A just-as-crazy-as-you mob can also charge you. Are they your god?
And on 1K18: if that's not repeatable, then those gods are real gods, and your Elija had no right to what he did. They simply, just for that time didn't bother, and your god deceived the world. He lies as you lie.
They are indeed obviously false, and God proved it on mount carmel. However it was not given as a model to be repeated. The LORD is obviously the true God, that's why you don't like Him.
No, God didn't lie there at all ... He told the truth. God never lies.
I'm not attempting to present any arguments, I'm answering yours.
No. None. No. No. Never. No.
You're obviously wrong and incredibly ignorant regarding the scriptures.
You arguments are circumreasoning. Was there ever a biblie-believer who said anything else but "I don't agree with you"?
God said the Adams will die when they eat from the Tree of Knowledge immediatelly. They managed to live hundreds of years after the event. The only honest thing there was the snake. God lies at every corner, the lazy bastard.
No, my answers are more than reasonable. We say more than that.
It depends on what God meant by "die" doesn't it? They died spiritually when they ate of it. They would then die physically later. God told the truth. Your ignorance regarding the scripture is showing.
You actually believe the lie of the devil over God's truth? How ridiculous, the devil obviously lied to them.
Yea, I can't wait to hear you misunderstand that text also.
Your sadistic god don't even know anything about "dying spiritualy". Nothing of it is in the entire Bible. That's sme new-age staff or wicca.
Dying in the OT means physical death or extinction of nations. The dead people go to a greek-like underworld equally, forgotten by everyone, including Yahwe.
The lie of the Devil is the lie of the Lord. He made Satan, therefor it is all of HIS responsibility.
If you care on more, watch my videos for my opinion, I'm outa here.
I'm answering nearly all of your questions reasonably.
Yes, God knows about it. We can easily see a differentiation between spiritual death and physical death. In the case of what occurred in the garden, it was instantaneous spiritual death followed by physical death.
It's not new age or wicca at all, it's not even close.
That's incorrect. simply the word hades is used, it describes a different place altogether however. Jesus gives us greater detail in the case of lazarus and the rich man.
It is indeed according to the creative decree and ultimate will of God that such a thing would happen. However it is contrary to His clear commands and prescriptive will.
The devil is the one guilty for lying, and we are guilty for believing the lie of the devil over the true warning of God. We bear the responsibility and consequences of our actions.
None of your arguments are of interest, they all fall short of convincing.
I haven't made any objections, I've been answering yours.
The author in that instance is merely using the word "daric" in order to express the amount of money inherited to his contemporaries. He isn't necessarily speaking about that exact kind of currency.
The bible doesn't specifically state which pharaoh.
That's a problem with your limited understanding and personal sequence, not the scriptures.
No, the author is clearly simply using the word "daric" in order to express to his contemporaries the amount of money inherited. This isn't hard to figure out.
No, I'm quite certain the pharaoh existed, the scripture just isn't specific regarding which one. We don't know how many men he had in his army.
Certainly, the scripture could enhance your understanding immensely.
Many animals became carnivorous after the fall.
The scripture is clearly correct, I am not lying, and I have read it.
No, the author clearly does what I said and you are lieing even to yourself it seems.
Pharaos existed. Yes, and? But no pharao died in the Red Sea with his million-member army. That is confirmed by archeology, historians and more. We know they tried to capture 600,000 men + families with an army armed with bows, lances, swords and charriots. That means you need millions in your army.
Yes, the scripture enchaced my understanding: ravens are herbivours beyound doubt. You stupid. What fall?
In order that you might be brought to life in Christ.
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.
But when we become dead, then it is decided wether we go to Hell or to Heavens. (always wondered on the plural)
After dieing no action of our effects anything according to christianity as far as I heard (I only read to Lamentations, so I trust on the believers/priests on this).
The use of the phrase "you're already dead" is meant to convey that you're spiritually dead and currently under the wrath of God. If you were to physically die in such a state then your fate would be sealed.
However salvation and forgiveness is freely offered to you in Jesus Christ. You are commanded to repent and believe in Him, bow your knee and ask His forgiveness ... confess your rebellion and sins. Then He will answer and make you alive
I'm sorry you had difficultly understanding, but I have now explained it's proper meaning.
Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of all who would believe in Him. In order to be forgiven we must repent and believe. Jesus Christ is the OT God.
Yes, I am aware of that.
God is not a "sky daddy." He is the eternal omnipotent omniscient omnipresent thrice holy Creator God. Sinners will melt like wax figurines in His presence.
He dwells above the sky and space in the third heaven.
so you say there is not just one solid sky-dome, but many, like an onion? This is most stupid then ever.
And your god is the most sadistic cruel bastard for killing and torturing billions who never heard of him.
Besides: if the guy resides in the sky(s) I can call ghim with the title "sky". And as you claim it is the one that put universe into existance, and is a male being, then he is the Father, therfor I'll call him "daddy". According to YOUR definition he is the "sky daddy".
I haven't been speaking about a "solid sky-dome" but rather the sky or atmosphere, outer space, and the third heaven where God dwells.
God justly punishes sinners who have done evil and chosen to turn against Him. The scripture declares that they are without excuse. Your ignorance regarding the judgment of God does not effect it's justness.
He dwells in the third heaven, which is not the sky. He is much greater than what you refer to Him as. Such an irreverent title is blasphemous and false.
You did. What else would mean "third heaven"? Certainly nothing. Even if you go human-centered, you can sign 2 skys (atmosphere of the Earth and space), but where is the third? Stupid thing.
And you think it is a sin when people never heard about your god. That is disgusting.
Who cares what is blasphemous? That title is still true, so I keep using it. Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky
It is not a "solid sky-dome". The third heaven is outside of the universe, we cannot observe it, and we cannot fully understand it. It is not described in depth within the scriptures.
No, it is a sin for them to violate the law written upon their hearts. It is a sin for them to turn away from the Creator who is clearly seen and understood by what has been made.
God cares, and He will punish you for it. The title is incorrect, and never used within the scriptures. You are commanded not to ...
Perhaps by definition according to your own limited understanding. I didn't use the word sky, but heaven. Some ancient peoples explained the heavens in a similar fashion, however the scripture is unique and correct.
The law written upon the human heart is easily observable, it's called a conscience. The knowledge of God is placed in the human heart also, that's why nearly all peoples believe in a God of some kind. The concept of sin is true and observable.
You may believe that it doesn't require a Creator, but that's just absurd.
We know what the scripture says and the history behind it, it has remained accurate and complete for thousands of years. It hasn't changed.
For instance, early church father's used to write passages of the scripture in their sermon notes. After piecing those together we have the same bible which we do today.
More absurd to believe it needs a creator. I mean if a creator is something, and something needs a creator, therfor the Creator need a acreator too. Infinite turtles.
We know that the history described in the Bible is false, and completly unaccurate. Start to consult with real scientists.
And don't forget they took out books from the Book of Books (like the Book of Henoch, IV Maccabees, book of Tobias, Song of Songs) and inserted some (like Book of Mormon). We have more Bible then ever.
No actually, it makes perfect sense that the eternal God who exists outside of the universe created it. This idea is a much better explanation than "nature created nature" it's simply ridiculous. God has always existed, He is eternal ... He never had a beginning, and He was not created.
No you don't know that, if you look at archaeology and history it usually confirms the bible's account. We can also readily see it's accurate description regarding the world around us.
The inclusion or exclusion of those books in the canon does not in any way effect the accuracy of others. Some of those were simply kept out of the canon, it really isn't a big deal.
I would say however that the book of mormon is unanimously rejected by all Christians. With good reason also.
Only the mormons hold to it, and their theology can be seen to be obviously false by anyone who studies it for even a brief period.
5:15 Compassion? Six your old child nearly dies at hands of angry father.
This video employs one of the oldest tricks in the book, scare everyone over to our side. If Hell is eternal, then the maker of Hell is NOT just. He does not give just punishment. He is guilty of wrath, a mortal sin.
Why don't you work on the plank in your own eye instead of picking on other people?! Anyone who sends a vid like this in response to someone's pain is a terrorist and has a big black void in his own heart.
Ray77063 2 months ago
@Ray77063
Did it scare you over to our side? No? That's not necessarily the video's intention, but it is a warning of the reality of God's judgment.
Are you the arbiter of justice, or is God? Wrath is a sin for fallible men, but it is the infinitely holy arbiter's prerogative.
I know it's terrible to warn others of their impending danger, it's so cruel. It would be more appropriate to speak peace falsely, and lull them into hell by reassuring them it won't actually happen.
FillTheirVoid 2 months ago
@FillTheirVoid Again, your actions are terroristic.
If "wrath is a sin for fallen men" and wrath is the "holy arbiter's prerogative" what does that make the "holy arbiter"? Could he be (shudder) sinful?!
What's terrible is to concoct a story about pain and darkness for those who will not convert to a popular ideology. Have you ever even SEEN Hell or just read anecdotal evidence for it? That's what I thought.
I think you're jealous of those who have peace, so you throw stones.
Ray77063 2 months ago
@Ray77063
If warning of God's wrath is a "terroristic action" then I suppose so, but it really doesn't matter if you like it or not.
No, because He is the arbiter - the judge - the one who possesses the prerogative. There is an infinite difference between the holy God's wrath, and sinful man's.
I have concocted no such thing, but Jesus Christ revealed it in the scriptures. It is His word which I am repeating to you.
Jealous of a false peace while under God's wrath? No.
FillTheirVoid 2 months ago
@Ray77063
You must come to understand that this warning is one from the scripture, according to Christ's word. It is not a personal vendetta against you or anyone else. However, you would do well to be warned - just as you would do well to be warned before drinking poison. If this warning is hateful, then that warning would also be hateful.
FillTheirVoid 2 months ago
@FillTheirVoid Which words of the Bible did Jesus pen? Have you ever SEEN Hell? Have you ever SEEN Heaven? I don't mean the clouds and blue sky. It's just not right that people depend on the opinions of a group of men who swear that Jesus came to save the world from wrath, and, yet, when they began to write down the story of their Jesus, couldn't produce one shred of proof that he ever existed, not even his written testimony! I don't trust the story without corroborating evidence.
Ray77063 1 month ago
@FillTheirVoid Warn me all you like, but remember that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, or so that saying goes. When you can show me proof that Jesus is actually real, then I will believe in his existence. That still doesn't mean I will trust that he was good. Lots of things in the Bible are evil, like mass rape, blood sacrifice, genocide, genital mutilation, misogyny. Who's to say that this Jesus was actually good, if he agreed with Torah? What if it's wrong?
Ray77063 1 month ago
@Ray77063
You will never get the sort of "proof" which you so proudly demand of Him until the day of judgment. Like I said, He commands us to have faith. Adam and eve, and the twelve apostles - were given a special privilege.
"Evil" according to whose determination? Are you the supreme judge over all of your creation? Are you the god of God?
FillTheirVoid 1 month ago
@FillTheirVoid I'm surprised that you feel you are the judge of me, calling me proud! We have the right to judge the veracity of ridiculous claims like that some judge in the sky we've never seen is going to prove to the world that he exists, but just a little too late to do anything about it. Some of you Christians, like yourself, argue that we don't have that right. You claim that if we flee from the brainwashing, we will be damned. Sin is a myth for controlling the masses.
Ray77063 1 month ago
@Ray77063
Is it not proud for a sinful man to rebuke God's judgments? You have no rights before God, it is your duty to obey His command to repent and believe.
Your issue is with Him, not me.
After God has sufficiently glorified Himself in the salvation of sinners by faith in Christ - He will return to visibly judge the world.
There was no "controlling of the masses" when the apostles were tortured and executed for preaching the Gospel. Your conspiratorial mindset is false.
FillTheirVoid 1 month ago
@FillTheirVoid Okay, you really should hear yourself write! I don't know why I bother fighting with Christians! Oh, yeah, it was because you picked on a boy who dressed like a girl. Of course, you probably think that is wrong, even though I say it hurts NO ONE and, remember, your god is a "big boy" so he's not hurt by it either. You should pick on someone your own size, bully! I'm done wasting my time on you! Guys like you never change! Have a nice life.
Ray77063 1 month ago
@Ray77063
How is your condemnation of me relevant in any way whatsoever? Upon what basis are you making these accusations? Do you fancy yourself to be the arbiter of both good and evil?
All I am doing is relating the judgment of God in these matters. As I stated previously, your problem is with the God who created you - not me.
FillTheirVoid 1 month ago
@Ray77063
You're far too interested in me, and yourself - and far too little interested in the judgments of the ruler of the universe in which you dwell. At least, until He may kick you out of it.
FillTheirVoid 1 month ago
@FillTheirVoid There is no ruler of this universe. If there is one, why did he leave about 2,000,000 meteorites(large and small) in wayward trajectories, threatening our very existence ? Why does this creator create life, to cut it down even before birth ? 4,500,000 stillbirths a year ? Why do 100,000 INNOCENT children perish , suffocating under the rubble in Haiti ? You have no answer.
ndzoko 1 month ago
@ndzoko
There is a ruler of this created universe, the alternative is logically absurd. God doesn't think like humans do, He controls those meteorites with omnipotence - He doesn't make things the way we would necessarily expect - Nor could we judge His actions based upon what we as human creatures think.
There are no innocent children of adam. We live in a world which is under God's curse for our sin. Mercy is the exception.
FillTheirVoid 1 month ago
@FillTheirVoid He controls those meteorites with omnipotence>. untill they crash to earth. We humans call god loving, caring, compassionate, according to human standards. If his actions are not loving, according to human standards, only fools can call him loving. We have no other standards. We cannot call god loving, if he is loving according to some divine standard, because we don`t know this divine standard..
ndzoko 1 month ago
@FillTheirVoid There are no innocent children of adam; Sir, I use common sense in my jugment, not some divine standard.Childen are innocent by any standard. People are basically good. Never have people shown so much care, have been so generous to the downtrodden as today. I am sorry I cannot continue a discussion unless you use human standards. Have a good life
ndzoko 1 month ago
@ndzoko
I'm sorry sir but you are not God, you're a creature - you live in His world and play by His rules. We use God's standards of judgment and morality, He is the judge - not us.
We do know His standard according to the scripture, and what He has revealed about the nature of mankind and this world.
If you don't want to accept His judgment that's fine - but it remains regardless and you will continue to experience it's reality.
FillTheirVoid 1 month ago
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@FillTheirVoid We do know His standard according to the scripture: SureWitches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. The word of God
ndzoko 1 month ago
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SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Psalm 22 is a precise and vivid depiction of the crucifixion of Christ ... however it does not literally state that He was placed on a cross.
I've already given you a multitude of clearly fulfilled prophesies, and I have answered your questions and objections thoroughly. Your inability to comprehend the meaning of words and the implications of the fulfillment of prophecy does not negate the truth or the veracity of the scripture.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@filltheirvoid
Can you give me any references for those?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Of course.
Micah 5:2 / Matthew 2:1
Malachi 3:1 / John 1:23
Zechariah 9:9 / Matthew 21:6-11
Zechariah 12:10 / Luke 23:33
Deuteronomy 18:18 / Matthew 5:1-2
Jeremiah 31:31 / Luke 22:20
Malachi 1:11 / John 4:21
Obviously there are hundreds more, but these are just a few.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
(micah 5:2 reference) interesting connection, but did jesus really rule over israel at the time?
(Malachi 3:1 ref) Firstly that was john saying it, not jesus and secondly, he was quoting Isiah, not malachi
(Zechariah 9:9 ref) Couldn't he have had prior knowledge and come on a donkey deliberately?
(Zechariah 12:10 ref) How are they related?
(Deut. 18:18 ref) as above
(Jeremiah 31:31 ref) Jeremiah says that he would make a covenant with the israelites and with judah...
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Micah 5:2 - Christ is the ruler over the entire universe, though His physical reign from jerusalem is future.
Malachi 3:1 - Yes, john was the messenger spoken of ... isaiah speaks of the same prophecy.
Zechariah 9:9 - He did have prior knowledge, though it is the combination of the prophecies which makes the significant. He was also greeted as a king upon His arrival.
Zechariah 12:10 Speaks of His piercing, and the people beholding Him. Psalm 22 speaks of the same.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
(Micah 5:2) So you think that he will come back, eventhough he hasn't been back in 2000 years?
(Malachi 3:1) And what significance does it have?
(Zechariah 9:9) If he had prior knowledge and fufilled the prophecies deliberately, then that doesn't give any significance to me.
(Zechariah 12:10) It's a very vague reference to being crucified, surely pierced could mean other things such as stabbed or hit with an arrow? (Psalm 22) How is that a reference to Jesus?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Of course He will return, the period of time passed makes no difference whatsoever.
The significance is the fact that the prophecy was fulfilled, john was sent to precede Christ.
As I stated, it is the combination of so many prophecies which makes this significant. Furthermore, He was welcomed as a king.
Well it states that He will be looked upon, there was no word such as "crucified" at the time of it's authorship. Psalm 22 describes Jesus' crucifixion in VIVID detail.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Deuteronomy 18:18 - Speaks of the prophet like unto moses. Christ fulfilled this when He went to the mount to teach His law ... moses received his law on a mount also. Moses's arrival and deliverance of the people was preceded by a slaughter of children, Christ's was also. Moses wandered the desert, Christ did also. Moses led the people out of slavery, Christ did also.
Jeremiah 31:31 - Yes ... and later within the NT we learn that the gentiles have been grafted into israel.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid (Deut. 18:18) So those 4 similarities make Jesus relevant, eventhough moses encouraged eye for an eye (also present in Islam, btw I'm not a muslim) and jesus encouraged love thy neighbour and turn the other cheek?
(Jeremiah 31:31) Gentiles cover a huge range of people, not just the people of Judah
The fufillment of that prophecy was deliberate, and you have not (forgive me if I have missed something) explained how fufilling prophecies gives him divinty or makes the entire...
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Yes, of course there are more ... but Christ is the fulfillment of the prophecy in this regard. Being a prophet like unto moses doesn't mean He will teach exactly the same thing.
Yes, and they will be grafted in ...
What prophecy was deliberate? The establishment of an effectual new covenant? No joe shmoe can do something like that in any meaningful way and succeed in bringing gentiles to faith in the LORD.
The fulfillment of prophecy undeniably indicates it's veracity.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
explain or elaborate?
You have completely ignored my question, don't worry I expect it from christians, about how Jesus' divinity is related to the "fufillment of prophecies"
The combination of prophecies? give me some more examples if you wish, as I said how most of the ones that you gave me were either irrelevant or false, and so cannot be used as evidence.
Can you give me any further examples?
And what do you think of evolution and the big bang? (this question is loaded)
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
bible true. It's blantant contradiction to science just shows me how old it is and how out of date it is for today's society.
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Have you never studied logic? Or have you simply been so brainwashed by the ridiculously laughable argumentation of the ignorant?
The age of the scripture has none effect upon it's veracity or relevance, truth is immutable ... it never becomes "out of date".
If it did become "out of date" then I may reject even today's ideas ... because they will be irrelevant within a few years. Therefore you would be lost in a maze of meaninglessness and groping in darkness. Oh wait ...
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
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@FillTheirVoid Studied logic? How do you study logic lol? I have logic if that's what you mean, but how on earth can you say that I have been "brainwashed by the ridiculously laughable argumentation of the ignorant" when you are a Christian, believing such a self-contradictory, two-faced, unsupported book with a sadistic god who "loves us" but we are meant to fear - sounds to me like an abusive parent.
If you want logic then here's something for you: if god is unchanging, if moses was...
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid ...a messenger of god and Jesus was god himself (which he never actually says, even saying that only god must be worshipped and not him), then how on earth are the contradictions and inconsistancy within the bible, e.g. "eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek".
If he is unchanging then he still wants non-believers who try to deconvert believers to be killed (Deuteronomy 13:6-11), a most definite inconsistency with "turn the other cheek".
Here are a couple more contra...
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Yes, only God should be worshiped ... this does not exclude Him in any way.
It is still immoral to turn people away from the true God. God Himself is unchanging, however we are now under the covenant of grace. Turning the cheek is a personal principle, not a law.
God is both a man of war and peace ...
God employed satan in order to accomplish His will in that david should in fact count the men.
Your reference toward joshua isn't accurate ... what are you talking about?
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid Wait a second? how on earth does the fufillment of prophecies lead to the bible's veracity? If i made up a story that fufilled a prophecy, then surely is would be true by that very same logic?
Have you never studied logic? Or have you simply been so brainwashed by the ridiculously laughable argumentation of the ignorant?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
It leads to the bibles veracity in a tremendous sense, in that only God is capable infallible prediction of future events.
You have made up no such "story" ... furthermore, the bible is not a single book.
Yes, I have studied logic ... and the level of your intelligence is highly questionable.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid A person who believes Killing if god commands you is not murder, and that disobeying god is going to hell.
Is a person who only worships god because he fears him.
A god that would demand a human to kill anyone, is either a weak god, or a malicious god that likes "toying with his playthings".
Even if the prophecies before mentioned weren't broad, the only that was ever specific is jesus's birth which only in the gospels will you find the tale of a specific king.
You'd still be dumb
Microtardz 7 months ago
@Microtardz
I both fear and love God, as is fully appropriate.
Why? You say so? Stop the presses we have a new deity! *booming voice* "The God who made me shall not command me to perform His will*
There are practically limitless prophecies specifically fulfilled by the Lord Jesus Christ.
FillTheirVoid 7 months ago
@FillTheirVoid lolz. It was a question of whether or not your morality matched your gods. Or whether it was different. What is love?
Your god thinks it is forgiving and forgetting.
I think it is forgiving and accepting.
I won't kill anyone because my father told me to, why would I do it because my sky father told me to?
Is my moral system different from god's?
And if it is, should I worship a god I don't see as just?
Limitless prophecies. Really. I'm going to face palm because they SUCKED!
Microtardz 7 months ago
@Microtardz
You presume that your personal "morality" is superior in authority to the God who created life itself. God Himself is the supreme moral authority, if your actions or beliefs differ from His ... guess whose wrong?
It's all about you and your determinations and your desires and your morality ... like I said ... you've made yourself into deity.
FillTheirVoid 7 months ago
@FillTheirVoid Made myself into a deity? Because I questioned the one you call god.
Not only do you fail to provide any solid evidence that this god exists. You attempt pseudo-intellectual arguments that are only 1 step above trolling.
Just because he created us, we should obey.
Yet if we played god with robots and robots rebelled. You would say we got what we deserved.
Why does that same rule not apply to your god?
You fail on an intellectual level because you won't answer a simple question.
Microtardz 7 months ago
@Microtardz
Yes, you view yourself as the determiner of all things ... you believe that your personal morality is superior to the supreme God. This is not a biblical position, it is a position of arrogance and self deification.
God commands us to have faith, to "provide solid evidence" would be self refuting.
Yes ... He is the supreme God and our Creator ... obedience is therefore a logical necessity.
He is the supreme authority ... do you not understand what those words mean?
FillTheirVoid 7 months ago
@FillTheirVoid I understand you're avoiding the question. Using psychological arguments as an attempt to push the moral argument on me, while you hop on a "moral high horse".
If god commanded you to kill your child, because he believed he was evil. Would you do it? Do you think other people would see it your way?
Is god, so uncertain, so fearful, that he is afraid of a question, from an ignorant, insignificant, APE.
Questioning authority, is required. Otherwise, say hello to Hitler2 for me.
Microtardz 7 months ago
@Microtardz
I don't avoid easy questions.
Do you understand what the words infallible, supreme, and omniscient mean? Or do you refuse to allow me to define my own position? The only logical answer to your question is an undeniably yes, absolutely ... there is no other rational answer. If you deny that this is obviously the case, then you are either dishonest, or lack the mental capacity to comprehend your own question.
God will answer you to your face.
FillTheirVoid 6 months ago
@FillTheirVoid "God commands us to have faith, to 'provide solid evidence' would be self refuting."
I disagree. According to your Scriptures, God did not require of Adam and Eve faith in his existence for their salvation. Neither was doubting Thomas required to have faith. Jesus supposedly presented himself bodily to Thomas. "If you believe in your heart. . . " Did Thomas believe in his heart? Before seeing with his eyes, feeling with his finger? He also ate before the 12. Faith?
Ray77063 1 month ago
@FillTheirVoid ... the luke reference only says about his disciples
(malachi 1:11 ref) How are they related?
Please may you answer my queries on the references you gave me and could you answer me this: how does fufilling prophecies give jesus divinity or show that the bible is true?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Malachi 1:11 Speaks about the gentiles being brought to faith in the LORD. Through Christ this was accomplished, in John 4:21 Christ is speaking to a gentile woman and alluding the Malachi 1:11 in the fact that the temple will no longer be the central place of worship ... but that the LORD is to be worshiped throughout the entire world in spirit and in truth.
Obviously we see the fulfillment of this prophecy today, in that the LORD's name is great among the nations.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
Wait a minute.... So, according to a verse that you mentioned yourself in this video (Rev. 21:8), Wouldn't all the people that killed in the name of god go to hell?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
It depends on what you mean by "killed in the name of God". Like who? The popes?
All unconverted murderers will go to hell.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid I'm referring to the old testament, referring to the destruction of the canaanites (Joshua 6) to start with
Would they go to heaven or hell?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
Oh, that wasn't murder ... they were obeying God's command. In fact, they would have been damned if they refused to kill them, seeing as how sin is disobedience to God.
Converted murderers will go to heaven, their sins have been forgiven them. However, no Christian would persist as an unrepentant murderer.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
Killing them is murder. So you're saying that regardless of good deeds they've done, they go to heaven only by worshipping god?
Hitler was a self-proclaimed christian. If he repented in his last days when he was in his bunker, would he go to heaven?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
No, it isn't ... there is a significant difference between killing and murder.
No, their salvation isn't dependent upon their pathetic "good" deeds. The scripture states that even our "good" works are like filthy rags before God. You can't go into a jewelry store and purchase a diamond with your dirty laundry.
They go to heaven because Christ has atoned for their sins upon the cross and merited their salvation for them.
Yes, and I'm the king of france. If he would have, yes.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
So now that we have established that christianity is immoral, surely? Hitler, widely considered to be one of the most immoral people in history, would be rewarded for eternity, according to your religion.
What made that situation killing and not murder?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
According to whose determination? God is the arbiter of all justice and morality, not the arbitrary and relative opinions of ignorant men.
Had hitler repented and believed he would only be "rewarded" by the merits of Christ's life, and forgiven upon the basis of His atoning work. Indeed, Christ's blood is so worthy that God may forgive the worst of sinners.
God had commanded it to be done, and that justly. Murder is an unjust killing typically for one's own selfish motivations.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid How can he be the arbiter of justice and morality, when morality existed before Judaism existed?
So you are saying that Hitler would have gone to heaven, had he repented in his last days.
The bible has not evidence, so what is the appeal of listening to this religion over others?
He commanded justly? Like, in the old testament, when someone was killed for chopping wood on the sabbath?
Your religion is a joke
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
The LORD God is eternal ... He is the ultimate authority and has in times past dictated to us His specific commandments, which obviously take precedence.
Yes, absolutely ... whosoever that repents unto God through Christ will be saved.
Actually, the bible presents us with a distinguishing factor between the living God and false religions. The bible contains within it specific prophecy, most radically fulfilled in Christ.
Indeed, justly. Or are you the supreme authority?
Ha!
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid Now you are glorifying god, without even showing to me that it is true (the bible doesn't prove god). Why is your religion right and all the others wrong?
You say prophecy, now can you give me a fufillment of a prophecy that is:
1)Gives specific details
2)Dictates an unlikely event to occur
3)Has not been fufilled deliberately from prior knowledgei.e. fufilled when the fufiller (as such) knows what the prophecy is
There is no evidence for a sky daddy supreme authority.
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
@SMTsquidge
There are hundreds, if not thousands ... but I will give you a couple. The accumulation of these prophecies and their fulfillment results in an astronomical probability.
Christ is to be born in bethlehem ...
Christ is preceded by a messenger ...
Christ enters jerusalem on a donkey ...
Christ is crucified ...
Christ is a prophet like moses ...
God establishes a new covenant ...
God brings the gentiles to faith in Himself ...
Even your own ability to think is evidence.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid you say all unconverted murderers will go to hell. what about converted ones?
SMTsquidge 1 year ago
Well i have heeded this warnking a long time ago.
My Faith is in the Lord Jesus the Christ.
I believe was and is God and the reason he came was to satisfy Gods Holy standard by Dieing on the cross so we who believe it are forgiven and saved from eternal punishment.
While those who reject it will suffer that punishment that they will forever know they could have avoided.
Remogogy 1 year ago
@Remogogy
Absolutely correct, may the LORD bless you.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
If I'm in the dark then I don't wanna be light.
WORSTSUBBER 1 year ago
I CAN indeed fathom the horrors and they are called Christians.
qmeche123 1 year ago
ah... so lemme see if i've got your point.
you're saying you're extremely stupid, right?
De4sher 1 year ago
I have to ask. How often do you get comments like, "I filled your moms void last night." ?
cyberkreig 1 year ago
@cyberkreig
Proverbs 10:32 The lips of the righteous know what is fitting, but the mouth of the wicked only what is perverse.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
uhhhhhh, scary. ummm, not really
itstherantman1 1 year ago
@itstherantman1
If the blind could see they wouldn't fall into the pit.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@MechanicalWood
monergism . com
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
Fill, do you believe that the Nazi's useage of fear to spread their message was bad?
WPNistherealGOD 1 year ago
Yes, because of their wicked intentions ... certainly.
Do you believe that it is bad to use fear when telling your child not to run out into oncoming traffic?
This is a warning ...
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
Understand, to the Nazi's their intentions were "good". To the Germans, their intentions were "good". To the Jews (and most of the world), of course their intentions were bad.
I could say, that your intentions of spreading fear into people to believe in "God" is bad, because it can be seen as a form of "brain-washing", and mindlessly believe in something, just as the Nazi's did.
WPNistherealGOD 1 year ago
No, you have an incorrect and relativistic view on morality. If you hold to such a view, your opinion regarding my actions, or those of the nazis is essentially meaningless.
The authority which I possess whereby I warn men of God's impending judgment is entrusted to me by God Himself. In doing His will, this is how I know that it is good.
Indeed, if you were to die and go to hell without being warned, would you not then accuse?
Some things you should be afraid of, especially a just God.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
The fact remains that you are still brainwashing people into believing what you do. Threats of eternal damnation, only to be nullified once they pass on.
If said God did exist, then I would be inclined to fear him.
WPNistherealGOD 1 year ago
@WPNistherealGOD
I wouldn't call warning them about God's impending judgment "brainwashing" but if that's how you feel that's fine, I don't really care. When they do pass on they will certainly recognize that they were in fact warned.
You're making a false presumption, if said God did exist then said God's word would be accurate, no? Said God's word states that even though He does exist men will not fear Him. Therefore it is to be expected that you won't.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
So..Is that supposed to "prove God is real"?
Well, I'm real. I say that Religion is false. If religion is false, therefore I am real. So, since I am indeed real, religion is false.
Deny it, and you deny your own argument. I can see how you think that is a wonderful argument, but it's really not.
WPNistherealGOD 1 year ago
@WPNistherealGOD
No, it's not supposed to prove anything except the fact that if the God of the bible is real, then His word must be true. Which obviously includes the fact that there will be unbelievers, and that salvation is by grace through faith in Him. Your reasoning however is convoluted and false.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
Of course it is false, I just used your same argument.
To the fact that you "must believe to be saved", is totally irrelevant. The fact that you are imposing fear to believe in "him", is still a negative, and fallacious argument. Appeal to fear. Therefore, your argument is moot.
WPNistherealGOD 1 year ago
@WPNistherealGOD
There really isn't even an argument presented here ... all I intended upon doing was warning unbelievers of their danger. The scripture says that they don't fear God, so how could I change that? No ... my desire is to tell you the truth and that's all. God is the one who converts a man or woman for Himself, and He doesn't do that through clever arguments or persuasion but rather the preaching of the Gospel.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid
Unless, of course, he is lying. What would a liar say in his place? Exactly the same thing.
mfunke 1 year ago
@mfunke
Who was lying? They would probably speak peace ...
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
Silly scare-mongering.
lizazoon 1 year ago
There are some things which you should be afraid of, such as God's wrath.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FTV
Slavery means following and obeying someone/-thing even if you don't want that. So you god demands slavery for eternity.
IF there is freedom, then you do not have to follow anything, but can do as you will.
So only in "hell" (just to mention: the Bible says nothing about any eternal hell) is freedom in your fairy-tale.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
"even if you don't want that" ... no, but we do want it. There is freedom in slavery to God, and life, and joy, and all good gifts.
One must obey God's will, not their own ... for such will end in damnation.
No, there is no freedom in hell ... only misery and imprisonment in the furnace. The scripture clearly states hell's eternality. As it is written: the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night forever.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
eternal slavery or a free existance followed by annihilation?
I vote the later.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
There is no "eternal slavery" for following and obeying the will of our Creator. Rather He gives us life and freedom in Him and love and every good and decent thing. This is clearly demonstrated within the creation which He has made.
The latter is simply a false hope for the lost.
The real matter is more like this:
Eternal life in Jesus Christ in heaven.
or
Eternal damnation without Christ in hell.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
All the appeals to fear this God come from a book. If not for the Bible, this God would fall silent and powerless. Why fear a God that gets its power from the printing press? Faith in such a God would be likely to tear just as easily as the thin pages of a Bible.
MySocksSmell2 2 years ago
Not all the knowledge which we have about the Creator come from His written revelation. However, the majority and specifics of it does. The scripture states that God's word will stand forever ...
He is fully powerful and self sufficient by Himself, He has no need to reveal anything to us ...
Of course men would reject Him if He hid His face from us ... they wouldn't even recognize Him. Furthermore, even if they did they would still reject because they're evil and He is holy.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
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@FillTheirVoid If scripture states God's word will stand forever, doesn't that mean the Bible states that the Bible will stand forever. It is an unfair disadvantage that a God would show his face primarily through written revelation yet provides no way to validate the Bible except by appealing to the Bible. Why is it important to warn others to fear a God whom you say is so powerful and self-sufficient by himself, he has no need to reveal anything to us? It sounds like a game of hide and seek.
MySocksSmell2 2 years ago
nice text effects.
not so much the words, but, you know.
LoserOtaku 2 years ago
That's the best part though!
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
i suppose if you're in to all that ETERNALDOOMBUTWAITGIVEMEYOURSOULFIRSTANDYOU'LLBEOKAY stuff then yeah. that's just not for me though, you know?
LoserOtaku 2 years ago
I'm in to everything regarding God.
The situation is more like this:
You're currently on your way to eternal doom. Salvation is offered if you repent and believe in Christ. To reject will result in arriving at your current destination.
It's kind of like speeding down a road having a lot of fun and ignoring the signs about an upcoming cliff and refusing to take the off ramp because it's not as aesthetically appealing.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
you don't understand that you're using a scare tactic to appeal to peoples' weaknesses and that it is morally despicable, then?
it won't work on me, though. i know i'm not living a horrible life or hurting people. i love people and help them whenever i can, and even if it turns out i do go to hell, i will be happy with the choice i made knowing i did good for other people anyway.
thanks for your concern, but i've heard this before. ;P
LoserOtaku 2 years ago
It may be a scare tactic to warn people about using drugs, or their need for a safety belt in the car. Some things we should be afraid of, and the Holy God, and His judgment is the most important.
Your moral judgments are meaningless, the only one who has authority in this matter is God. He has commanded us to preach the Gospel, this includes His judgment, commandments, and offer of salvation.
This is between you and God, it is Him whom you have sinned against. Your "goodness and love" fails.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
yes, but we know drugs and safety belts exist and there isn't a debate about the improbability of them existing, so it's a whole nother matter.
You've basically just told me that my goodness and love is not real or substantial or good enough, and I just can't be a good person because I don't believe, right?
No.
That's where you appear to fail, my friend. By hurting another person for the sake of your religion, YOU have just failed.
And here I end this conversation. Nice talking with you.
LoserOtaku 2 years ago
Why are you afraid of me?
I can't reject someone imaginary or who never was. Why don't you "fill me in" on when you became a believer and why? Who were the brainwash'ers in your life who made you ignore every other belief or to learn?
Joshua (which you can't say) is a misspelling of J·hoshuqh, one of the mass-murderers in your Buybull. Your Gods were evil sinful monsters and you cannot read your own pap propaganda.
Why don't you answer the verse in my last tweet? twitter.com/alysdexia
alysdexa 2 years ago
You've indeed rejected your Creator, such foolishness ...
I'm not afraid of you, I'm just not interested in hearing what you have to say. I can hardly even understand what you're saying anyway.
I became a believer when God called me to salvation in His Son Jesus Christ. I read the scriptures, I became utterly convinced, and continued in faith. That was a few years ago, and I had no other influence except my own mind and my God. I was not raised a believer.
The LORD is holy, good, and just.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
There're billions of fake Gods and yours is no more special or real. There were ~13 Gods in both Testaments, and many sons of Gods (read the Hibirijt—evanghelists cannot—in translations it was covered up as angels). Your Giizas Grayst was fictional and a clear sinner; he had nothing to do with the later profèties, and he broke God's (one of them) laws. Lists of sins in Tanac/Gospels and 32 deadly sins in Romans 1 they were all mainly guilty of.
You understand nothing about Scripture.
alysdexa 2 years ago
God was the first liar in the garden; they did not die in the very day they ate; it was a standard fa'ther's empty threat, and your "spiritual card" is BS. And every time God threatend to wipe out some ethnic group in the Nev-ijm, he faild. Of course unless the book was written after the fact, as the hoaxes often were to scare ineducate born-yesterdays lik you. Now see the links on alysdexia's channel. If you can't wit English, Latin, Hellènic, and Hibirjt, that is your fault, not mine.
alysdexa 2 years ago
Why are you back? Your comments don't even make any sense. Needless to say you're utterly incorrect.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
May the LORD add a blessing and understanding to the reading of his most HOLY word.
"Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of GOD" - Romans 10:17
TwoOliveTrees 2 years ago
Now leave me alone with your unbased exclusions. You are nothing but a parasite.
Now, I see you hate your family and you will kill them as your Jesus said so. You sold everything of yours and gave the money to the poor.
Didn't you?
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
Did you know the scripture says the first predators came to being in the time of Judges?
You moron.
The scripture also says the Earth is flat, the sky is a solid dome (check Job).
The scripture also says not seing an invisible thing is a sin. Visiting a doctor is sin. That witches exists. That you shall kill disobediant children, not wearing clothes from more then one material, giants lives, angels procriate men, God lies and rapes people then forces them to eat their own children.
U R DANGER.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
Yes yes I've heard it before, your understanding of those verses is very limited at best. Needless to say you are utterly incorrect regarding them.
Honestly, none of what you just said is convincing at all.
Proper references to those verses, and understanding them within their context, would clearly show their accuracy.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
U utterly fail. I'm honestly sick of you. If you're so sure about your bullshit do the Mount Carmel Challenge. 1 Kings chapter 18.
I'm finished with your selfdumbing attitude. I read it. I know the context. You are the failure of education.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
Yes I am totally confident in the LORD and the accuracy of the scripture.
Apparently you don't understand it, at all. I'd respond and help if you would cite the verses. It's not too difficult, really.
If you continue in your ignorance and rebellion against the Creator you will be damned to hell. Salvation is freely offered to you in Jesus Christ if you would repent and believe.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
You are an asshole and proud of it.
I demand going into Hell, whatever it is (another evangelist said it doesn't exist according to the Scripture), if your god is like it is in the Bible, and in Heaven are the likes of you.
I'd respond you if you'd say more than "I'm disagree".
Also I said: do the Mount Carmel challenge. 1 Kings 18. If your god can't pass the test, it is a false idol, and all of its priests shall be executed - according to the Bible. 1 Kings chapter 18 as I said.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
I am a believer and proud of my God.
Hell is the place of God's wrath, it is described as a furnace of fire where people cry in agony. That "evangelist" is obviously either severely mistaken, or lying.
The Creator and giver of your life is indeed the God of the bible, and in heaven are those who are conformed to the image of His Son. Those who have believed on His name.
However in hell are all evildoers.
"Thou shalt not put the LORD your God to the test." You're misunderstanding 1 kings.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
No I'm not. That is a scientific method identifying true gods from false idols, and what to do with their priests.
You are a liar and proudly confessing it. You are an evildoer of humanity still attaching yourself to bronze-age fairytales.
You have no arguments, you are just liiying with pale face. I'm quit, because nothing can touch you, except maybe electricity. Or that's too a theory? I hope you'll drink poison to prove yourself to the world.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
There isn't actually anything scientific about it. Furthermore, that was a specific instance where God moved in such a way for a specific purpose. It wasn't given as a model for testing anything. The scripture and Holy Spirit of God is given for that.
I am not lying, however I was formerly an evildoer before God. Thankfully salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone.
Am I an enemy of the world system which is in rebellion against God? Yes, absolutely!
lol ...
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
In 1 Kings 18 the Bible gives a repeatable experiment to identify true gods anytime. That fulfills the requirement for being a scientific experiment.
You are lying, and you are currently an evildoer, because you are a follower of a malevolent god.
You are a rebellion against sanity, survival and the whole world what never did anything against you and your kind, but what you attacked from sheer ignorance and what you want to destroy for no sane reason.
You are mad.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
That is incorrect, it is not given as a repeatable experiment at all. It was a specific instance where God moved in such a way.
I am not lying, and your moral judgments are meaningless.
I'm a rebel against this world which is under the control of the prince of the power of the air.
Who can lay a charge against me? It is God who judges.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
You are lying and you don't even know what moral is.
You rebell against a world because you are a pranoid schisophrenic haulicinating mentally ill person.
Well, the government, the police, the judges can charge you. A just-as-crazy-as-you mob can also charge you. Are they your god?
And on 1K18: if that's not repeatable, then those gods are real gods, and your Elija had no right to what he did. They simply, just for that time didn't bother, and your god deceived the world. He lies as you lie.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
No, I'm not lying ... I know true morality, that which comes from God.
lol ...
No they can't, they can do nothing to me apart from God's permission.
It's obviously not meant to be a repeatable test. Those "gods" are obviously false, and elijah was doing the commandment of the true God.
God has never lied.
You don't understand what the scripture says, at all.
Your arguments are stupid.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
What idiot lols on himself?
No, those gods aren't "obviously" false. They are true, and your god is obviously false.
God lied many times. Just to start with Gen.2.17.
At least I HAVE arguments, not like you.
Do you plan /was your wedding-ceremony raping a woman? Seems the easiest way for you.
How many slaves you have?
Do you want to break Solomon's wife-record? Do you fuck your wife's slaves?
When do you plan the next human-sacrifise?
Do you commit canibalism as Jesus instructed?
PS: I'm God
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
I lol at your accusations.
They are indeed obviously false, and God proved it on mount carmel. However it was not given as a model to be repeated. The LORD is obviously the true God, that's why you don't like Him.
No, God didn't lie there at all ... He told the truth. God never lies.
I'm not attempting to present any arguments, I'm answering yours.
No. None. No. No. Never. No.
You're obviously wrong and incredibly ignorant regarding the scriptures.
What are you delusional or something?
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
You arguments are circumreasoning. Was there ever a biblie-believer who said anything else but "I don't agree with you"?
God said the Adams will die when they eat from the Tree of Knowledge immediatelly. They managed to live hundreds of years after the event. The only honest thing there was the snake. God lies at every corner, the lazy bastard.
I gotta go, I have to read Ezekiels babble.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
No, my answers are more than reasonable. We say more than that.
It depends on what God meant by "die" doesn't it? They died spiritually when they ate of it. They would then die physically later. God told the truth. Your ignorance regarding the scripture is showing.
You actually believe the lie of the devil over God's truth? How ridiculous, the devil obviously lied to them.
Yea, I can't wait to hear you misunderstand that text also.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
You don't even have answers.
Your sadistic god don't even know anything about "dying spiritualy". Nothing of it is in the entire Bible. That's sme new-age staff or wicca.
Dying in the OT means physical death or extinction of nations. The dead people go to a greek-like underworld equally, forgotten by everyone, including Yahwe.
The lie of the Devil is the lie of the Lord. He made Satan, therefor it is all of HIS responsibility.
If you care on more, watch my videos for my opinion, I'm outa here.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
I'm answering nearly all of your questions reasonably.
Yes, God knows about it. We can easily see a differentiation between spiritual death and physical death. In the case of what occurred in the garden, it was instantaneous spiritual death followed by physical death.
It's not new age or wicca at all, it's not even close.
That's incorrect. simply the word hades is used, it describes a different place altogether however. Jesus gives us greater detail in the case of lazarus and the rich man.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
It is indeed according to the creative decree and ultimate will of God that such a thing would happen. However it is contrary to His clear commands and prescriptive will.
The devil is the one guilty for lying, and we are guilty for believing the lie of the devil over the true warning of God. We bear the responsibility and consequences of our actions.
None of your arguments are of interest, they all fall short of convincing.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
You know its easy to track that you started to remove my answers. That have one reason: you're afraid to let people know how I PWNd you.
You deserve for this a 1 star rating.
The Bible is a heap of nonsense, and as accurate as Harry Potter. And with deleteing comments you just proved that.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
... You must be mistaken, I haven't removed any of your comments. None of your objections or arguments are convincing in the least.
The scripture's wisdom is unmatched, it is perfectly accurate, and tells us nothing but the truth.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
either U2b messed previous, or you're trickery. Doesn't matter.
Your objections were meaningless, not just not convincing enough.
Now just tell me one thing: how could Solomon inherit darics from David? That money-type was invented hundreds of years later.
Or tell me which pharao?
Or tell me how come that the universe is that much older and things started to exist in a different order then in the Bible?
Snakes are not herbivours.
The jews imigrated their land with peace and not with sword.
gz.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
No trickery ...
I haven't made any objections, I've been answering yours.
The author in that instance is merely using the word "daric" in order to express the amount of money inherited to his contemporaries. He isn't necessarily speaking about that exact kind of currency.
The bible doesn't specifically state which pharaoh.
That's a problem with your limited understanding and personal sequence, not the scriptures.
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
The scripture is correct.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Then U2b is shit again :(
No he doesn't he tells S got daric, not amount of $ = daric. Read it next time before trying to disguide.
Yes, and wanna bet why the Bible do not name the pharao? Because never existed a pharao who got drwoned with 5 million membered army.
My understanding is good enough. Maybe you could enchance it? No, because your source is crap.
Snakes. In the Garden. Being herbivours. Goddidit.
The scripture is incorrect and you lie / never read it.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
No, the author is clearly simply using the word "daric" in order to express to his contemporaries the amount of money inherited. This isn't hard to figure out.
No, I'm quite certain the pharaoh existed, the scripture just isn't specific regarding which one. We don't know how many men he had in his army.
Certainly, the scripture could enhance your understanding immensely.
Many animals became carnivorous after the fall.
The scripture is clearly correct, I am not lying, and I have read it.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
No, the author clearly does what I said and you are lieing even to yourself it seems.
Pharaos existed. Yes, and? But no pharao died in the Red Sea with his million-member army. That is confirmed by archeology, historians and more. We know they tried to capture 600,000 men + families with an army armed with bows, lances, swords and charriots. That means you need millions in your army.
Yes, the scripture enchaced my understanding: ravens are herbivours beyound doubt. You stupid. What fall?
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
If we're already dead, why bother?
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
In order that you might be brought to life in Christ.
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
But when we become dead, then it is decided wether we go to Hell or to Heavens. (always wondered on the plural)
After dieing no action of our effects anything according to christianity as far as I heard (I only read to Lamentations, so I trust on the believers/priests on this).
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
The use of the phrase "you're already dead" is meant to convey that you're spiritually dead and currently under the wrath of God. If you were to physically die in such a state then your fate would be sealed.
However salvation and forgiveness is freely offered to you in Jesus Christ. You are commanded to repent and believe in Him, bow your knee and ask His forgiveness ... confess your rebellion and sins. Then He will answer and make you alive
Heaven's is plural, the sky, space, where God is.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
It's hard when oyu insert your definitions amongst the existing ones of the topic, but uuu-kkk.
But I though J.K. cleaned all sin already, no matter what. Or that guy was as sick as the OT god.
Lastly: are you aware that the sky is not a solid dome above the flat earth? There is no sky-dady in the sky/space.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
I'm sorry you had difficultly understanding, but I have now explained it's proper meaning.
Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of all who would believe in Him. In order to be forgiven we must repent and believe. Jesus Christ is the OT God.
Yes, I am aware of that.
God is not a "sky daddy." He is the eternal omnipotent omniscient omnipresent thrice holy Creator God. Sinners will melt like wax figurines in His presence.
He dwells above the sky and space in the third heaven.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
so you say there is not just one solid sky-dome, but many, like an onion? This is most stupid then ever.
And your god is the most sadistic cruel bastard for killing and torturing billions who never heard of him.
Besides: if the guy resides in the sky(s) I can call ghim with the title "sky". And as you claim it is the one that put universe into existance, and is a male being, then he is the Father, therfor I'll call him "daddy". According to YOUR definition he is the "sky daddy".
gagnashdiak 2 years ago 2
I haven't been speaking about a "solid sky-dome" but rather the sky or atmosphere, outer space, and the third heaven where God dwells.
God justly punishes sinners who have done evil and chosen to turn against Him. The scripture declares that they are without excuse. Your ignorance regarding the judgment of God does not effect it's justness.
He dwells in the third heaven, which is not the sky. He is much greater than what you refer to Him as. Such an irreverent title is blasphemous and false.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
You did. What else would mean "third heaven"? Certainly nothing. Even if you go human-centered, you can sign 2 skys (atmosphere of the Earth and space), but where is the third? Stupid thing.
And you think it is a sin when people never heard about your god. That is disgusting.
Who cares what is blasphemous? That title is still true, so I keep using it. Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky daddy Sky
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
It is not a "solid sky-dome". The third heaven is outside of the universe, we cannot observe it, and we cannot fully understand it. It is not described in depth within the scriptures.
No, it is a sin for them to violate the law written upon their hearts. It is a sin for them to turn away from the Creator who is clearly seen and understood by what has been made.
God cares, and He will punish you for it. The title is incorrect, and never used within the scriptures. You are commanded not to ...
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
There is nothing outside the universe by definition of the universe. Signing the space as a "second sky" is already an ancient primitive belief.
No law is written in your heart. Noone borns religious. Religion is a learnt behaviour. The concept of sin is stupidity.
Which God anyway? The universe has natural causes and do not require a creator.
Finaly the scripture has to pass canonisation, but they all fail. Nothing remained from the so-called Bible today.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
Perhaps by definition according to your own limited understanding. I didn't use the word sky, but heaven. Some ancient peoples explained the heavens in a similar fashion, however the scripture is unique and correct.
The law written upon the human heart is easily observable, it's called a conscience. The knowledge of God is placed in the human heart also, that's why nearly all peoples believe in a God of some kind. The concept of sin is true and observable.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
The LORD God of course.
You may believe that it doesn't require a Creator, but that's just absurd.
We know what the scripture says and the history behind it, it has remained accurate and complete for thousands of years. It hasn't changed.
For instance, early church father's used to write passages of the scripture in their sermon notes. After piecing those together we have the same bible which we do today.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
More absurd to believe it needs a creator. I mean if a creator is something, and something needs a creator, therfor the Creator need a acreator too. Infinite turtles.
We know that the history described in the Bible is false, and completly unaccurate. Start to consult with real scientists.
And don't forget they took out books from the Book of Books (like the Book of Henoch, IV Maccabees, book of Tobias, Song of Songs) and inserted some (like Book of Mormon). We have more Bible then ever.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
No actually, it makes perfect sense that the eternal God who exists outside of the universe created it. This idea is a much better explanation than "nature created nature" it's simply ridiculous. God has always existed, He is eternal ... He never had a beginning, and He was not created.
No you don't know that, if you look at archaeology and history it usually confirms the bible's account. We can also readily see it's accurate description regarding the world around us.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
The inclusion or exclusion of those books in the canon does not in any way effect the accuracy of others. Some of those were simply kept out of the canon, it really isn't a big deal.
I would say however that the book of mormon is unanimously rejected by all Christians. With good reason also.
Only the mormons hold to it, and their theology can be seen to be obviously false by anyone who studies it for even a brief period.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
nice vid btw
thejesusfreak919 2 years ago
lol
Yahntia 2 years ago
What a lame video. You suck!
WraithPizzaboy 2 years ago
no he doesnt.
thejesusfreak919 2 years ago
I know, don't worry ... the only opinion that matters is God's =)
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago