KRISHNAMURTI : The Last Talks - Talk 1. (Part 4 of 8).

[TheRainingInk]

Smartest man of all time! Humanity could learn a thing or two from him!

[SteveDutchy]

07:25 he says.. ''if there is an almighty''

[suninmoon4601]

Is the hornet's nest sufficiently stirred up now? :))

[suninmoon4601]

When you see through this you can enjoy the fruits of life without worrying about losing it. Eat! Taste! Fall in love! But don't hold on to these things for security. There is no security. Life's purpose is life. That's it!

[suninmoon4601]

When you awake and see through this, you aren't frustrated by life or death, and are not deluded by concepts such as self-improvement, social development, national pride or war on terrorism.

[suninmoon4601]

Such passion the experience of enlightenment is fantastic! Enlightenment is not some "place" or "thing", either literally or metaphorically, to be reached, achieved or strived for. Enlightenment means seeing through the illusion of separation between man and the universe.

[rizon927]

A man is a creator of consequence.... Man can create a computer.... Man cannot create God.... Rocks cannot produce life....

[mareeay]

and we create god, too, occasionally lo

[milzz100]

we must transform what is! easier said then done

[DANTHETUBEMAN]

he is trying to ilistrait to you the wheaght of your disitions on sociaty, dont worry about everyone else, there is nuthing you can do to change them, exept mabe change your self.

[untilhowlong]

My intentions was to point you to the silence, that indeed is a bliss and perhpas the best explanation you were trying to point out: with ur statement "Do nothing"

[dan020350]

do nothing

[untilhowlong]

"do nothing"

no, do without having thought of doing it. otherwise do nothing is still doing!

[dan020350]

if you don't have thought of doing it, how are you doing justice and right, seeingly? do nothing implies with the relation with power

[untilhowlong]

not to have thought of doing it, is not mean the same as not-doing, you still do it, infact much smothde and effortlesy, hav u seen the swimmer who swims in the river without effort, call floating. The thought of doing, is disrtaction in doing. K spoken tiredlessly until he died..

[dan020350]

I think you might have misinterpreted it. If a swimmer has no thought then he has no control of his body. If he has no control of his body then he will sink. K talked about clearly somewhat you have stated, but there is also in the beginning he stated, ' Don't believe in what I say'.

[untilhowlong]

Swimmer has no "I thouhgt" in his action, he feels such unity/harmoney with the body and floating water. Action in non-action it is called. K is infact speaking the same "truth" as Buddha, Tao or non-duality has to offer, all his emphasis is "just do it, donot store it for next moment." Liberation with listening, -ofcourse for thoes who have art of listening. "donot believe in wht i say" is to push the listener in his enquiry. Pardon me for pedantry, it may be the trick of my own mind!

[dan020350]

Actually the swimmer can do whatever he wants to do, once he master swimming. He can either think or don't have to think. Just as one who have understood everything what K' said through out his life, and believe it is true then reject it and also true.

[untilhowlong]

you are right in saying enlightment is pure freedom, but I am arguing against your thought of "Do nothing", if you agree it implies the idea/thought or impulse of "doing" in-it, For that reason the best explanation is this :-->

Get it!

Recommanded book,"Talks with Ramana Maharishi"

[dan020350]

You are using an expression- a blank expression hoping the interpreter will understand this blank or aka bliss sort of state. do nothing just means let nature be, in relation with thought, there are no thoughts so forget about the thinker where do you go from there?

I recommand no books.

[untilhowlong]

My intentions was to point you to the silence, that indeed is a bliss and perhpas the best explanation you were trying to point out: with ur statement "Do nothing"

[dan020350]

if there was a silence , you would not want to help other people reach into that silent state

[MURDOCMULDOON]

@dan020350 That is essential. If you suddenly "reach" "enlighenment" / enlightend state of mind in silence . HOWT HE FUCk would you need to do anything to help others or to talk or communicate at all why crave anything if there is such a thing is ultimate enlighetnment of silence and inner peace. After enlightenment is food no longer tasty is beverage no longer soothing are woman less beautiful and aluring ? How does that make any sense... can a man reach a state of mind where all is perfect?

[dan020350]

@MURDOCMULDOON :))