ji98584 what were the commands again???? Join Roblox.com I'm a volunteer or the Federal Army and my musket always mes up and i cant kill a frikin confederate so please tell me the commands
Are there any rifles that look like this that might be more modern like with long barrels? Also, I noticed the barrels were very long. Does the longetivity of the barrel help with accuracy?
Couldn't he just say load the fire arm and shoot the damn target. And I say fire arm because people on comments are arguing if it's a rifle or musket since I know nothing of these guns I will call it by what I know it is a fire arm lol
hehe, Im 13 and Im so short. I tried the "reloading" animation (thats just me talking there) and I was so short, it took multiple lifts to get the ramrod out of the holder, out of the barrel, and back into the holder.
hmm...seems semple enough :), im planning to be in a civil war reenactment when i get out of high scchool after getting a good paying job and a house :3
how many commands did an infantryman receive in a real battle? i always see the videos and they give step by step commands but i guess during a firefight the commands must have been much more limited
great demonstration! we don't realize just how far we've come until we look back. i can't help but imagining what one union soldier carrying a modern AR or AK could have accomplished against the confederates. conversely i think, what if our military today still had to use these tedious and dainty rifles.
Well said . I think seeing these weapons in modern combat would be interesting . I wonder how people from the 1800's would have reacted seeing a fully automatic Ak-47 !!
@TatankaOhitika1 - the American SF writer Harry Turtledove has written an astounding 'what if' alternate history book about the use of the AK-47 in the American civil War. Called 'Guns of the South' I recommend it without reservation.
@shiyboy4 It was blank! The park rangers just do this to demonstrate the process, they aren't really trying to kill the tourists (although I suspect there are days when they might want to...)
That takes forever to load one shot. If I had to fight in the civil war, I wouldn't mess all that. I'd just charge with a bayonette like a berserker while the enemy was loading!
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 This style of firing (with all the spoken commands) was only used for Training! In Battle, they would just load and shoot, no commands. Still, the bayonette charge did seem to be used once they got within a certain distance if I can trust the various civil war movies...
@jl98584 a lone soldier or a small group of soldiers would have been cut down before reaching a line that was reloading. The officers of the line that is reloading would have puled out their sidearms and shot them. The side arms were much faster than these rifles used here in the vid. Plus there is the possibility of other nearby lines who are armed with other weapons like spencer repeating rifle. There is also the possibility of snipers and gatling guns. it would be a brave but foolish move.
@jl98584 You cannot trust the movies. Ever heard of Pickett's Charge? It was a major bayonet charge and they were all shot own before they arrived at the enemy lines.
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 Hehe, ACW rifle muskets were accurate up to 400+ yards, and took less than 30" to reload...how far can you run in 30" ? 400 yards ?
Also, remember that your opponent had a bayonet too ;-)
Commands would indeed be used in battle but the command for loading would be limited to a single command: load. Additional commands such as fire by file, fire by rank or fire at will would be used as appropriate.
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 Oh, yes. You'd be shot in the head, or any other body part, possibly even more painful, before you'd even cross the lines. Very brave.
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 Bayonette charges were made, but the bayonet was responsible for perhaps 3% of the total kills. Rifles at that time had a killing zone of about 500 yards, so it was hard to get close enough.
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 as a matter of fact, you have a point, but thats not exactly how it works. First off, they would be doing it much more swiftly, the irregular and undersupplied units of Confederates would not all have matching rifles, or the same ammos, making supply difficult at best. The regular units of both sides would be much more swiftly drilled in firing sections. Many times two rounds were exchanged and then a charge was declared. a man by himself could ill hope to get far..
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 he'd quickly be taken down by a knife or bayonette or even just shot because an officer may have had a readied pistol at his belt.
Wow, that's a lot of commands. I'm used to "Load-At the ready-take aim-fire- recover arms" rinse repeat. But, I am a gray back. Did the blue belly's have a different firing order? I heard them spewing orders a few times as they marched over my corpse but i never paid much attention.
This works well for the classroom. I was planning on showing pictures I had taken of his demonstration - imagine my surprise when this video popped up in the search engine when I was looking for the training commands. Thanks for posting it.
I uploaded two vid's of this guy, this is the demo with commands as might be used during training. The second video is without commands. The expectation is that a soldier would be able to complete everthing and fire in less then 20 seconds. I believe the ranger made it in 19 seconds.
@playa4sho07 Repeating rifles (ie guns that held more than one bullet) were just being introduced, and the few soldiers that had them totally pwned anyone using a muzzle-loader like this. Confederates sometimes thought they were being attacked by an entire army when it was just one regiment with repeating rifles.
@playa4sho07 They teach them this way (many, many times) so that it becomes second nature to the soldiers...when they are in battle, they will do it without having to think about it. They also do it much faster in battle, too.
No. If you read the description, this was at Fort Pulaski in GA. Very interesting place & informative demo's if you ever have time to visit. I also got to see Ft Sumpter, but there weren't any reenactors when I was there.
I could tell this was a blank because it had no recoil and you would likely have had to push the ramrod harder to ram the cartridge if a real bullet had been inside it.
yeah lol it was a blank, the recoil was nothing and the sound is way different with a bullet. Also as you said, he would have to ram it several time with resistance if it had a bullet.
Nope the bullet is slightly smaller than the barrel is, that way when the powder ignites, the base of the bullet expands and bites into the rifling, giving it the 'twist' everyone talks about.
They say that those rifles had really bad accuracy and after each bullet you would have to repeat the same shit again like add the powder and crud, and if you would run out of ammo (powder) you would have to bash a guy with a rifle or use a knife if you had one lol because those scientists said those rifles had one of the worst accuracy rifles in the world ever made. nice vid also for a 150+ year old rifle lol 5/5. =)
Accuracy depends on the distance. At about 50 yards I shot a group the size of my hand with an original Model 1855, year of production 1858 Springfield Armory Harpers Ferry.
You're thinking of the old smooth-bore brown bess. They were as accurate as throwing a stone. One of the reasons armies would march up in a straight line upon each other. There was no other way to hit anything. Then along came the Enfield, deadly accurate and heavy. But the tactics still demanded troops march up on each other. Result - 30% casualties in battle after battle.
These commands sound very similar to the rifle loading and firing procedure in Hardee's Tactics, the standard basic training manual available throughout the Civil War.
these commands we're not used during the civil war, after the regiment or unit fired its inital volley, they then fired at will. this commands could have been used in basic training, but not on the battlefield.
I realize you're probably just trying to be funny, but just for the record: Mike is a National Park Service Ranger. It's part of his job to do these demonstrations for park visitors (such as myself) to educate & inform. He isn't a showoff at all, but is very proud of his job and loves helping people learn about American History. I only filmed a short segment of his talk, but it was all very informative & entertaining.
You'd have to check with an expert, but I don't believe they used commands in battle, but in practice. There is a separate video where he demonstrates firing the weapon without commands - they were required to do this in under 20 seconds! Of course, if you're being shot at, 20 seconds probably seems like too long. You wouldn't waste any time on commands, once the initial shooting started (or first "Fire" command), you'd just reload and shoot as fast as possible.
@jl98584 Drills were meant to burn the process into your mind until it was second nature, even when scared and confused in the heat of battle. Still, during big battles lots of soldiers loaded their guns improperly, eg they loaded it multiple times and it exploded in their hands when they pulled the trigger.
You'd probably have better luck looking for a reproduction than an antique. I'm not into guns myself, just enjoy learning about history such as this, but I know there are gun clubs and hobbiests into black powder weapons. You might want to check a local gun shop or online for a Civil War renactment group.
I own both an original Enfield in hardly used condition and I also a 1970'a era Parker Hale Enfield reproduction that I use to shoot both blanks and bullets. Why chance damaging and devaluing an original Civil War relic of History that is no longer made? I know of someone who shot his ancestor's original Civil War Enfield, and broke it at the wrist. Original relics of History are made only once, and should be preserved for future generations. Purchase a reproduction, shoot it and enjoy it.
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outcoldtwice 1 week ago
ji98584 what were the commands again???? Join Roblox.com I'm a volunteer or the Federal Army and my musket always mes up and i cant kill a frikin confederate so please tell me the commands
wideLuis219 1 month ago
what was the efective range of this gun?
Noisy07 1 month ago
Are there any rifles that look like this that might be more modern like with long barrels? Also, I noticed the barrels were very long. Does the longetivity of the barrel help with accuracy?
halo56822 3 months ago
Couldn't he just say load the fire arm and shoot the damn target. And I say fire arm because people on comments are arguing if it's a rifle or musket since I know nothing of these guns I will call it by what I know it is a fire arm lol
ak907jk 5 months ago
thats not a rifle, its a musket
dividednation44 6 months ago
@dividednation44 I'm no expect, but him being in a Civil War uniform I reckon it would be a Rifle Musket.
Bjerhof 6 months ago
@Bjerhof you mean rifled-musket.... and no, that still does not make it a rifle, its a musket, but probably rifled
dividednation44 5 months ago
This is the worst example of loading in 9 times. I am surprised the NPS would ever give such a sloppy demonstration.
scrunge13 6 months ago
Was it really necessary to say all those words
songs768 6 months ago
hehe, Im 13 and Im so short. I tried the "reloading" animation (thats just me talking there) and I was so short, it took multiple lifts to get the ramrod out of the holder, out of the barrel, and back into the holder.
MrVLeAsian 7 months ago
Suppose to ramrod with left hand
THEragingBONERS 8 months ago
I guarantee these orders were not given during battle.
csrtitus 8 months ago
hmm...seems semple enough :), im planning to be in a civil war reenactment when i get out of high scchool after getting a good paying job and a house :3
NaziZombiefan82 8 months ago
how many commands did an infantryman receive in a real battle? i always see the videos and they give step by step commands but i guess during a firefight the commands must have been much more limited
andresrojas22 8 months ago
LOL. I GOT A PICTURE WITH HIM. I bet he feels like a celebrity. ;D
chickensxgoxcluck 9 months ago
were was this
xKAsoccer10x 10 months ago
Fort Pulaski in GA
jl98584 10 months ago
@jl98584 ya i asked cause it looks like fort sumter
xKAsoccer10x 10 months ago
my great great great great great grandaddy was a general during a battle at that fort
z0omz00m 11 months ago
Reload!...... ready! aim! shut up and fire!
GeneralKenobiSIYE 11 months ago
This is my dad!!!
sweetiegrl41 1 year ago
What ? That's you father ? Cool man
TatankaOhitika1 11 months ago
great demonstration! we don't realize just how far we've come until we look back. i can't help but imagining what one union soldier carrying a modern AR or AK could have accomplished against the confederates. conversely i think, what if our military today still had to use these tedious and dainty rifles.
anglicky69 1 year ago
Well said . I think seeing these weapons in modern combat would be interesting . I wonder how people from the 1800's would have reacted seeing a fully automatic Ak-47 !!
TatankaOhitika1 11 months ago
@TatankaOhitika1 - the American SF writer Harry Turtledove has written an astounding 'what if' alternate history book about the use of the AK-47 in the American civil War. Called 'Guns of the South' I recommend it without reservation.
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tacfoley 9 months ago
u didnt use a shot did u? it was a blank wasnt it
shiyboy4 1 year ago
@shiyboy4 It was blank! The park rangers just do this to demonstrate the process, they aren't really trying to kill the tourists (although I suspect there are days when they might want to...)
jl98584 1 year ago 12
@jl98584 yea i thaught it was cause it didnt look like u put a round in it. are u ever alowed to fire real shots?
shiyboy4 1 year ago
A cavalry charge would have destroyed these guys while reloading!
moxi64 1 year ago
Fired a 58 cal. Enfield lots of times over 12 years with double loading and,,,never split yet!
caretaker50 1 year ago
so wait, you just pour the powder down the barrel, you dont put the cartridge down the barrel?
arkantos1525 1 year ago
That takes forever to load one shot. If I had to fight in the civil war, I wouldn't mess all that. I'd just charge with a bayonette like a berserker while the enemy was loading!
DrSuperMarioMan6464 1 year ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 This style of firing (with all the spoken commands) was only used for Training! In Battle, they would just load and shoot, no commands. Still, the bayonette charge did seem to be used once they got within a certain distance if I can trust the various civil war movies...
jl98584 1 year ago
@jl98584 a lone soldier or a small group of soldiers would have been cut down before reaching a line that was reloading. The officers of the line that is reloading would have puled out their sidearms and shot them. The side arms were much faster than these rifles used here in the vid. Plus there is the possibility of other nearby lines who are armed with other weapons like spencer repeating rifle. There is also the possibility of snipers and gatling guns. it would be a brave but foolish move.
historyman9 11 months ago
@jl98584 You cannot trust the movies. Ever heard of Pickett's Charge? It was a major bayonet charge and they were all shot own before they arrived at the enemy lines.
alexcowart 4 months ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 Haha amen right! I wouldn't just wanna stand there while the enemy takes shots at me :)
QuicDra 1 year ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 If you had to fight in the Civil War, you'd fight however you were told to.
Rammstein4ever 1 year ago
@Rammstein4ever But why did they always walk out in a straight line and wait to be shot at? It just seems really impractical to me.
DrSuperMarioMan6464 1 year ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464, don't forget the minie ball
silencedknight 1 year ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 Hehe, ACW rifle muskets were accurate up to 400+ yards, and took less than 30" to reload...how far can you run in 30" ? 400 yards ?
Also, remember that your opponent had a bayonet too ;-)
061369317 11 months ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464
Commands would indeed be used in battle but the command for loading would be limited to a single command: load. Additional commands such as fire by file, fire by rank or fire at will would be used as appropriate.
sockettuem 8 months ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 Oh, yes. You'd be shot in the head, or any other body part, possibly even more painful, before you'd even cross the lines. Very brave.
Twanvt 7 months ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 Bayonette charges were made, but the bayonet was responsible for perhaps 3% of the total kills. Rifles at that time had a killing zone of about 500 yards, so it was hard to get close enough.
KingOfNormans 7 months ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 as a matter of fact, you have a point, but thats not exactly how it works. First off, they would be doing it much more swiftly, the irregular and undersupplied units of Confederates would not all have matching rifles, or the same ammos, making supply difficult at best. The regular units of both sides would be much more swiftly drilled in firing sections. Many times two rounds were exchanged and then a charge was declared. a man by himself could ill hope to get far..
ChocolateBear0217 2 months ago
@DrSuperMarioMan6464 he'd quickly be taken down by a knife or bayonette or even just shot because an officer may have had a readied pistol at his belt.
ChocolateBear0217 2 months ago
I would have "Double Loaded" dat bitch!
caretaker50 1 year ago
Wow, that's a lot of commands. I'm used to "Load-At the ready-take aim-fire- recover arms" rinse repeat. But, I am a gray back. Did the blue belly's have a different firing order? I heard them spewing orders a few times as they marched over my corpse but i never paid much attention.
chezypuuf 1 year ago
"Cast about" comes between "return rammer" and "prime."
hovanti 1 year ago
This works well for the classroom. I was planning on showing pictures I had taken of his demonstration - imagine my surprise when this video popped up in the search engine when I was looking for the training commands. Thanks for posting it.
fearshaw 1 year ago
@fearshaw You're welcome!
jl98584 1 year ago
no life
airsoftbrothers1 1 year ago
not really ut he has alot of time on his hands if he has time to fire and reload this gun lol.
TheEnviroFriend 1 year ago
@airsoftbrothers1 Says the kid on youtube with airsoft in his name to a real world historian. Way to fail, junior.
mobiusonethree 1 year ago
Wow! If they really did it that fast then that makes things better! They were skilled at it so yeah. But Thats awesome dude!
playa4sho07 2 years ago
That shit would take toooooo long in battle!! Shit was hard back then! That sucks!
playa4sho07 2 years ago
I uploaded two vid's of this guy, this is the demo with commands as might be used during training. The second video is without commands. The expectation is that a soldier would be able to complete everthing and fire in less then 20 seconds. I believe the ranger made it in 19 seconds.
jl98584 2 years ago 9
@playa4sho07 Repeating rifles (ie guns that held more than one bullet) were just being introduced, and the few soldiers that had them totally pwned anyone using a muzzle-loader like this. Confederates sometimes thought they were being attacked by an entire army when it was just one regiment with repeating rifles.
LordBifford 1 year ago
@playa4sho07 They teach them this way (many, many times) so that it becomes second nature to the soldiers...when they are in battle, they will do it without having to think about it. They also do it much faster in battle, too.
Ypsiroselee 1 year ago
There were a few commands missing there!
silver760 2 years ago
nice i got one but we got no caps for it =/ and my is a carbine small but good cus we got a 6ponder and a 4 cannon so we don't use that
ferrero129 2 years ago
Feet were not boxed properly and weapon was not primed properly either! Nipple to Nipple!
blanch51 2 years ago
about 400-500 yards accurate.
sheikhalstranghi 2 years ago
cool, what kind of range do u gt on these rifles?
govanprotestantboy 2 years ago
This guy has no idea what hes doing, maybe he gives good tours but as far as loading in nine times, he sucks
civilwarinfantry 3 years ago
Was the rifle an 1861 Springfield?
BrianGriffin66 3 years ago
No that was an 1853 Enfield rifle-musket.
civilwarinfantry 3 years ago
is that at fort sumter?
tatersalad910 3 years ago
No. If you read the description, this was at Fort Pulaski in GA. Very interesting place & informative demo's if you ever have time to visit. I also got to see Ft Sumpter, but there weren't any reenactors when I was there.
jl98584 3 years ago
I could tell this was a blank because it had no recoil and you would likely have had to push the ramrod harder to ram the cartridge if a real bullet had been inside it.
BrianGriffin66 3 years ago
yeah lol it was a blank, the recoil was nothing and the sound is way different with a bullet. Also as you said, he would have to ram it several time with resistance if it had a bullet.
vmiusairforce 3 years ago
Nope the bullet is slightly smaller than the barrel is, that way when the powder ignites, the base of the bullet expands and bites into the rifling, giving it the 'twist' everyone talks about.
civilwarinfantry 3 years ago
Actually most of the Civil War era rifles were fairly accurate...The older smoothbore muskets on the other hand are another thing though....
blacksmithblade 3 years ago
They say that those rifles had really bad accuracy and after each bullet you would have to repeat the same shit again like add the powder and crud, and if you would run out of ammo (powder) you would have to bash a guy with a rifle or use a knife if you had one lol because those scientists said those rifles had one of the worst accuracy rifles in the world ever made. nice vid also for a 150+ year old rifle lol 5/5. =)
Southpark124 3 years ago
Accuracy depends on the distance. At about 50 yards I shot a group the size of my hand with an original Model 1855, year of production 1858 Springfield Armory Harpers Ferry.
vmiusairforce 3 years ago
You're thinking of the old smooth-bore brown bess. They were as accurate as throwing a stone. One of the reasons armies would march up in a straight line upon each other. There was no other way to hit anything. Then along came the Enfield, deadly accurate and heavy. But the tactics still demanded troops march up on each other. Result - 30% casualties in battle after battle.
pjgraves1975 2 years ago
These commands sound very similar to the rifle loading and firing procedure in Hardee's Tactics, the standard basic training manual available throughout the Civil War.
fiftyonefifty1981 3 years ago
these commands we're not used during the civil war, after the regiment or unit fired its inital volley, they then fired at will. this commands could have been used in basic training, but not on the battlefield.
MMSMikey 3 years ago
wow very low recoil
1337gam3r07 3 years ago
He's firing only paper & black powder, so there's no recoil.
Rosak 3 years ago
he's a showoff
Goomba600 3 years ago
I realize you're probably just trying to be funny, but just for the record: Mike is a National Park Service Ranger. It's part of his job to do these demonstrations for park visitors (such as myself) to educate & inform. He isn't a showoff at all, but is very proud of his job and loves helping people learn about American History. I only filmed a short segment of his talk, but it was all very informative & entertaining.
jl98584 3 years ago
If there were so many commands, the soldiers would be smashed out in a few seconds... Just "load", "ready", "aim" and "fire".
domu007 3 years ago
You'd have to check with an expert, but I don't believe they used commands in battle, but in practice. There is a separate video where he demonstrates firing the weapon without commands - they were required to do this in under 20 seconds! Of course, if you're being shot at, 20 seconds probably seems like too long. You wouldn't waste any time on commands, once the initial shooting started (or first "Fire" command), you'd just reload and shoot as fast as possible.
jl98584 3 years ago
@jl98584 Drills were meant to burn the process into your mind until it was second nature, even when scared and confused in the heat of battle. Still, during big battles lots of soldiers loaded their guns improperly, eg they loaded it multiple times and it exploded in their hands when they pulled the trigger.
LordBifford 1 year ago
did he remember to put the percussion cap on the nipple of the gun?
BrianGriffin66 3 years ago
Yes he did, otherwise it would not have fired.
Lightnme 2 years ago
You'd probably have better luck looking for a reproduction than an antique. I'm not into guns myself, just enjoy learning about history such as this, but I know there are gun clubs and hobbiests into black powder weapons. You might want to check a local gun shop or online for a Civil War renactment group.
jl98584 4 years ago
I own both an original Enfield in hardly used condition and I also a 1970'a era Parker Hale Enfield reproduction that I use to shoot both blanks and bullets. Why chance damaging and devaluing an original Civil War relic of History that is no longer made? I know of someone who shot his ancestor's original Civil War Enfield, and broke it at the wrist. Original relics of History are made only once, and should be preserved for future generations. Purchase a reproduction, shoot it and enjoy it.
Lightnme 2 years ago
Where can I purchase a civl war musket?
wolfgang7445 4 years ago
i have severla for sale, reporductions that is
robh64 3 years ago