Religionists. You just got your ass handed to you by The Hitch. A god among mere mortals. Hitch is taking a razor blade to Jesus right now and making the Jesus character pay for all the children Jesus has raped. Shame on you religionists
I know this is over 12 years ago and Hitch wasn't anywhere nearly as well known as he later became, but the interviewer actually asked CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS "Are you a Christian?" Nice research!
@SpecialBrewCan "All these things cause the Father-General [of the Jesuits] to be feared by the Pope and sovereigns... A sovereign who is not their [the Jesuits'] friend will sooner or later experience their vengeance." (1852)
Luigi Desanctis (Official Censor of the Inquisition)
@SpecialBrewCan ...Wherever a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi, a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'advisor' or leader; in [Communist] Cuba Fr. Armando Llorente and in Argentina the neo-Nazis are led by Fr. Menvieille."
@SpecialBrewCan "[Jesuit-trained Illuminist Adam] Weishaupt's success in forcing the Vatican to reestablish the abolished Jesuit Order [Ed. Note: it had been abolished in 1773 by Pope Clement XIV], through revival of the Church's original Nazarene Communism in the form of present-day Communism, led to the conspiracy's control by the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuits]...
You should repent. Moreover, you should ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10
The host seems scared of the subject of atheism, and this was in 2000.
A few years later some informative books were published, and all of a sudden they realize the public doesn't mind it and now can't get enough of the topic. Chicken $hit media
I was a Bible believing Christian in 2000, thank goodness I discovered reality and secular humanism before I wasted my entire life on superstitious nonsense.
Sadly due to mitochondrial DNA and man going back over 200,000yrs the Adam and Eve story simply isn't true.If No Adam then no Eve,therefore no talking snake or Temptation,thus no Original sin and no Fall consequently no reason for god to send his half man half god son to be murdered in order that he could stop himself from sending everyone to hell.If No Adam no Judaism,muslims or christians.Maybe the hindu holy book makes more sense Lord Krishna also born of a virgin.Personally its all bollocks.
How can you have "free will", if everything you're going to do is known BEFORE you're even born? You're riding on a route that was known before you even appeared - so actually, you only have THE ILLUSION of choice.
Free will you have not - if there's an all knowing god.
Hitchens actually is a bit gay, I don't think he's been involved in any gay acts but when asked he doesn't seem entirely against the idea. Sort of a classic "happily hetero, but whatever". Also uh, there's quite a bit of a stretch getting Jesus to conform to the Old Testament, and it shows. It is one of the things the gospels most radically disagree on. To say what the birth story of Jesus is, you have to pick a gospel. They are very different.
No, you be Gay and/or Bi-sexual & still have fathered children.
JESUS was not Gay, Jesus is predicted in the prophecies of the Old Testament, including Isaiah 9:6 ~
"Unto us a CHILD is BORN, unto us a son is given & the government shall be upon his shoulder, & he shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The MIGHTY GOD, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace"
Isaian 6:3 ~ Is about the TRINITY ~ "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY"
The LEVITES are descended from Son No.3 to patriarch Jacob...
Most Christians do not believe that they have been "chosen" and are therefore not being immodest when they say that God has a plan for them. This lines up with Biblical teaching "He died for all that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again" 2 Corinthians 5:15. If you're not a Christian, it doesn't mean that God doesn't have a plan for you. It simply means, as you most likely acknowledge, that you choose not to live out that plan.
@cromptonator There is a problem with your argument, because god is supposed to be all-knowing. That means that even your responses are pre-determined. You cant prove god wrong, god knows if you are going to hell before you are even born, because he knows everything. In other words, a person "rejecting" gods plan and going to hell, would be part of god's plan.
@candiceevans1 See that your husband has loosened the iron cord, so you can reach the computer..that's enough for the day. Perhaps tomorrow your are allowed to visit your mother.
@candiceevans1 How dare the women go out and make careers for themselves! they should be on welfare and let the "men" take care of it. What century do YOU live in? you insensitive, dim-witted, women-hating, self-absorbed and pathetic loser.
@candiceevans1 By the way, women contributed a lot on the economy, it is the government's fault for not paying women the same wages that men earn just because there are people like you who devalue women's work and existence. you think women chose to be single mothers? you think it is fun being stuck with children and having to look after them 24/7? where are you "useful men"? out making babies that they can't afford to take care of by themselves?
@candiceevans1 maybe America has produced a whole bunch of lousy men who could not provide for their wives and as a result have no choice but to be supermoms and take up the slack that men fail to hold up the status quo that they want to keep. promoting homosexuality? are you serious? homosexuality is not a choice, it is natural. I bet your mother is very proud of what you are spewing nonsense and defaming women. Shame on you.
It's one thing to question the church and it's hypocrisy, it's another to insult someone for their search for peace of mind and spirit. He's only assuming the most pessimistic aspects to this issue and all that anger only kills his point and inspires more anger and divisiveness. I'm all for an open discussion about the pitfalls of religion but can't we do it with respect?
@happylilsunbeam Apparently, no. Many atheists have been so traumatized by christianity that they have to show their grown hostility to ALL who believe in God and the metaphysical. Well, I'm game to give them a go.
@Kostly You're game to give them a go? You mean you will fight people who don't hold a deluded belief in your particular sky god.
You don't even seem to be aware that you're proving correct the opinions stated that religious people create conflict and misery.
"Believe in my sky god or I will become threatening or violent"...no thanks, you just keep it to yourself and let the rest of the world get on with the job of cleaning up the mess made in the name of your god/gods.
Holy wars, jihad, the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, centuries of violent and sadistic suppression of learning, science and medical study (that if never overcome would still have us trepanning or placing leeches on our bodies).
All this and so much more, yet people still makes statements such as - "Religion generally improves people lives". Astonishing.
@solheights Yeah, we should try out state sponsored and enforced atheism. That's worked out really well in the past. Atheism has given the world so much. LOL
@Kostly 3 points with your ill thought out comment.
1. Other than yourself, no one mentioned state sponsored Atheism, nor did anyone mention enforced Atheism.
2. Yes, Atheism has in fact given the world so much. It has given the world modern medicine (which is what you have already needed or will need to not die prematurely), science, technology (without which you would not be able to write your glib youtube comments or enjoy the standard of living you no doubt take for granted).
@solheights Really, dude? Atheism has given the world modern medicine? Your thought process needs some work. At least semantically. LOL Atheism CAN'T give the world anything as it is only an ideology that rejects God, the supernatural, the afterlife and spirituality. The definition of atheism is much simpler than what it includes today. It's become a certain worldview, attempting to gain followers (as evidenced by your furious debating) and very much becoming a "religion", a worldview.
@Kostly Atheism did indeed give the world modern medicine, and all the other things mentioned, despite the best efforts of Theists to keep us in ignorance.
My thought processes really are fine. Objective, rational thought and debate is what Atheists or Anti-Theists do best.
Even Thomas Aquinas said, repeatedly, reason is the enemy of religion. That sums things up quite nicely.
The problem with debate with deists of theists is that, by default, even by necessity they believe in anything.
3. You don't seem to grasp the irony of condemning 'Enforced Atheism', when we've already had 2000 years of enforced theism. Sometimes so brutally enforced as to kill, maim and torture thousands upon thousands of people, over centuries, in the name of 'god'.
I take it you're a Theist, probably a good example of one.
@solheights Oh, we haven't seen the true atheistic enslavement of humanity, yet. But, there have been a few stark examples. State sponsored atheism is UGLY. The ugliest way to govern people ever thought of. BUt, when the monied interests impose atheism on humanity, you'll know it by the undeniable level of misery in the world.
I'm a DEIST if any definition applies. I don't believe in any sc ripture as defining God or any "afterlife". I see man's word as his or her own. Not God's.
@solheights Additionally, if you are from almost anywhere in Europe or America, we don't have theism imposed on us. So are you dealing with history? In other words, something other than contemporary reality? Trust me, the guys who fund all the terrible science and subsequent technology, want to erase spirituality from humanity. That will NEVER happen though. Unless they plan on destroying everyone/thing and inbreeding with themselves. LOL They deserve that fate. They deserve each other.
@yuirrr If English isn't your first language I apologize in advance for telling you to learn to spell the words you use to impress others. You should also be aware that Dawkins and Hitchens do not make their arguments to incite theistic polemics and rage. They argue against religion because it is evil. It rests upon ideas of innate human perversion, abjection, and servility to a divine totalitarian authority while it idealizes a longing for Armageddon and the destruction of the human race.
Dawkins organized an annual meeting of atheist in England.
There, they try to prove that God doesn't exist in a kind of party that lasts days. They use all kind of arguements. I may admit it's fun, but it's nothing but a manifestation of hatred.
Religion is mean, ignorant, blind and violent, but it also enforces hundreds of social auxily events around the world and generally improves people's life.
@emaildoctor I do not wish to impress the others, I've written that comment while passing through dozens of atheist videos.
God doesn't exist, unfortunately or fortunately. I'm a Nietzsche Reader, I've detected most prejudicial effects the moral, mainly the christian moral, can cause.
I could explain to you why not to be neither a christian nor an atheist.
Dawkins and Hitchens preach the anger agaisnt the theism and I don't think this kind of atheism will improve our image to the world.
@yuirrr Nothing can improve the atheist image to the world. Why don't you go yell at all those people praying in pictures in Japan and tell them how ridiculous they are for doing so. I could actually see Hitch or Dawkins commenting on something like that. Spirituality is here to stay.Get used to it.Atheism is fleeting and a weak minded ideology. That is how I see it. Most atheists nearly always bring up Christianity and the God in the bible.No one in their right mind believes in that god.
I can understand the Viet Nam crowd still having bad feeling towards Jane Fonda. I guess everyone says something stupid at one time or another. But she's an example of a so called "famous person" thinking everyone wants or needs their opinion. Who cares Jane !?!?
@hdmccart He really isnt, if you watch Brian Lamb in his C-span interviews, you'll realise that it's just his manner that doesnt come across well with audio only. He's just playing devils advocate, and being as impartial as he can be.
Notice how Hitchens isnt disgruntled by his interviewing style, it's because he sees it for what it is.
@hdmccart Brian Lamb? A wanker? He was one of Hitch's best friends and they greatly admired each other, Brian Lamb is one of the most unbiased presenters I have ever heard.
@herringla It's common in interviewing to go in acting totally ignorant to get the words from the horse's mouth, so-to-speak. Give the interviewee a chance to share his view.
@mtszabo its definitely Dawkins, but Hitchens is a close second. Hitchens is a bit less lizzard-like than Dawkins. If they aren't aggresive, they are actually both very good to listen to for informational purposes.
Perhaps because Atheism does not rule out the possibility of there being a god, but merely states that there is insufficient evidence to prove the existence of any of the gods spoken about in religious texts. Atheism isn't necessarily saying that there *is no god*, but more that we cannot *prove* there is a god. Atheism is more of a "I don't know how the universe began or why we're here, but I certainly don't believe what your old book has to say about the matter."
Meh... in my experience, it's more of a sliding scale than a hard-set definition. You have deists on one end who think that there probably is a god, but it's not one belonging to any of the organized religions. On the other end you have "hard" atheists who believe that there is absolutely no possibility of a god. In the middle you have the agnostics and the "soft" atheists who don't rule out the possibility entirely, but also think it's highly unlikely.
Interesting. So, you're not going to get involved, yet when I post a definition, your first instinct is to start screaming? Is that the patent response in Logicville, USA? Is this the method by which you will be "eating [my] intellectual lunch?"
".....all this born again stuff gives me a pain..."
Why?
I don't get why someones faith always have to give an atheist a pain. After all, if this is the only life you're going to have, I suggest you start living it up and quit being concerned with the beliefs of others.
In a country that exercises and was supposedly founded on freedom of religion, we're not required to "keep it to ourselves", and you, exercising your freedoms, are not required to worship anything in any way.
So in what way have you been stopped from freely living your life?
Stop trying to shove religion into science classes, stop trying to make kids pray in schools, stop trying to prevent women from exercising their right to make choices about their own bodies, stop trying to prevent gays from marrying each other, stop trying to prevent doctors from exploring benign and promising methods of curing disease, stop trying pull books from libraries, and really, stop being an obtuse idiot.
I told myself I wouldn't reply to anyone who gets personal or resorts to name calling so at the risk of being obtuse, I would only say that you are now enjoying most of these freedoms so dear to you and of course our society is the better for it.
But the last time I checked, in a "free" society all opinions & dissent are allowed their discourse and ultimate end, no matter the motivation.
You want carte blanche? Get yourself a dictator who sees things your way.
@rubbersole79 "I told myself I wouldn't reply to anyone who gets personal or resorts to name calling "
I didn't resort to it; I pointed it out.
The only reason I haven't yet "been stopped" from freely living my life even though the religious have been constantly trying to prevent people from doing so, is because secularists before me have fought long and hard to wrestle their freedom from under their alleged god's thumb.
I don't need to get myself a dictator. The religious have one on retainer
I like how hitchens slaps the hell out of someones faith and calls her generally a moron and then in the same breath calls her egotistical as if he was fighting for top spot for the arrogant of the year award ..talk about one snug arroantly egotistically,critical bastard ..the only reason people really admire him is because he is such a pr**k..u know it I know it and god knows that chrissy needs a hug ...Is he someones kid? did someone marry this guy or does he live in a smoky mens club ?
If Jane can disregard mountains of evidence showing VC's torture against POWs, it's then quite logical for her to disregard mountains of evidence showing there is no magical sky dictator. Fonda needs to be owned, either by leftwing authoritarian regime, or by a cosmic monarchy.
eeritable, so being Christian is a sign of intelligence, what gives you more brownie points, the talking snake, creationism, witch-burning or child-molesting?
So for you believing that nature can write highly specified information without an intelligent agency, and accepting that nature is capable of being its own 1st cause is a sign of intelligence?
We don't have the same conception of intelligence.
People who become atheists are often people who have psychological problems.
Then we don't have the same conception of psychological problems, because evolution is not intelligent, nor is it powerfull.....it is this simple.....I believe correctly that the most sophisticated operating machine language ever witnessed by mankind (DNA), requires an intelligent agency at its inception...I use as the basis for this conclusion every single incidence of highly specified information known to man.....and people who don't believe that have psychological problems :)
Why do I invision you dancing around your small apartment snapping your fingers and giggling wilst your anemic, goth girlfriend watches on? Is there a point in all the references to pioneers of psychology? What's your point, do tell. If by acting the court jester makes you feel vindicated then by all means you have won the argument. You are just too sophisticated for the rest of us.
Religion is common only among the herd. Those who reject religion want free thought, are not afraid of going it alone. Care about truth, reason and discovery. To 90byork, you can't peg him down and that's upsets you?
ive been marked as spam , obviously ive hit a nerve! great! there are plenty of thinking
people who believe ,and have freedom of thought too, as real belief will take you on the journey of individuation.i never understand most atheists version of god anyway ,its amazing how such super intelligent people create the most daft being and even worse convince themselves that others agree with it.
@lanc44 Um, wow....you wrote "version of god" which I presume you meant not to capitalize god, which is good, yes we hold no favor to him no praise or servility. Now you say "version", which is really inconsistant with our ideals. Afterall what purpose a version for a non entity. I don't believe in the boogy man either. You know the tall version boogy man not the short version boogy man he is ok. Oh, and I wish spam upon no man.
@lanc44 You contradict yourself in your own argument. Resolve yourself to sexual retort if you must but I have no idea how that sustains your opinion. Ah, it is evident so often how the repressed desires manifest themselves in the babblings of the ignorant.
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i know evangelists arnt much better but i still think hitchens is a crook,he espouses
the beauty of reason and the beauty of rational thought but i cant juxtapose this with the puzzling paradox of his career moves.
In this interview he dosnt sound so venomous as he has become since 9/11 , The new atheist movement seems rehearsed ,plotted ,,opportunist just something phoney about it .iLL read dawkins though but never hitchens,
well my idea of what the new atheist movement would be the success that atheist, logic and reason, is having not only around the world but what is really something the success in jesus country.
with this definition i completely understand some religious goon would have a problem with it.
Neat, just had the very same thought ... this really would be like from Saul to Paul! But Dawkins would be even better, I guess. Let's pray for both of them.
@TerriQ100, Does Hitchens have a feeble mind? No, not in the least therefore you must realize that he will never convert to your silly religion! I will end with a quote unless you choose to dialog. continued:
I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts.(Albert Einstein)
LOL... This guy is from C-SPAN and I usually like his questioning, but PLEASE asking Hitchens if he is a Christian!! You might as well ask the Pope if he's Catholic
The interview is from 2000 - he hadn't been one of the posterboys of new atheism back then ... actually 9/11 opened the markets for this kind of angry rehashing of old Auguste Comte's positivsm.
To be fair though, this was before the New Atheist movement inspired by 9/11. This interview is from CSPAN and I'm almost positive its really from the mid to late 1990s not, as the title indicates, from 2000. I may be wrong, but I'm fairly certain there is a video of it on YouTube out there.
@forestskog Wait a second. Brian Lamb has interviewed him innumerable times. He had to know Hitchens was an atheist. I wonder if he was just setting Hitchens up with that question. Otherwise, 2000 was the first time it came up? Confusing.
Jane Fonda as always been a bona fide naive nut-job. A youth as Vietcong poster girl, middle-age anti-nuke guru, Born-Again Christian in old age...life-long stupidity.
@babaluboo123 Well, if you think that the same organization that gave Julie Andrews Best Actress for Mary Poppins and Elizabeth Taylor Best Actress for Cleopatra are "actually the ones who know what they're talking about" -- as opposed to an organization largely driven by economic, professional, and partisan considerations -- so be it.
@babaluboo123 First, you don't know my credentials. Second, appeal to authority isn't a valid argument, third, whether you consider Jane Fonda (at least in her younger days) to be beautiful, is no measure of her acting ability. Many beautiful women can't act their way out of a paper bag.
@babaluboo123 Truth and politics are ruthlessly cutthroat, and allow no charity. Jane Fonda's career and views attest to uncritical fadishness, sensationalism and mental vapidness. Thus Nutjob Jane moved effortlessly from Communism to Christianity without batting an eyelash or growing a brain.
@babaluboo123 Fonda massively DISSEMPOWERS women by embracing and thus advocating Evangelical Christianity, the most fascistic strain of a misogynistic faith. Her newfound creed is dedicated to upholding Patriarchy by straggling reproductive freedoms, reversing the Sexual Revolution, and erasing Feminism! The once ardent Leftist has embraced the likes of Jerry Falwell, Operation Rescue and Joseph Tiller's killer!! IMHO, Fonda should have stuck with Communism, which advocates gender equality.
@84ccipollini Why is it "good for her" that Fonda chose Christianity because she felt "guided by it"? If She felt called to Nazism, would that be good for her? In neither her actions nor your praise is there any indication that either of you ANALYZED the CONTENT of her newfound beliefs or their implications. By definition, Fonda is now a Creationist, Male Chauvinist and Quasi-Fascist, i.e. beliefs that are good for NOBODY! Beliefs are only praiseworthy if they are RATIONAL and based on FACT!
@Hottides where to begin, you heard of the nobel laureate, director of the genome project Francis Collins, a devout Xtian and evolutionist? Fascist!! the Nazi's spent many resources trying to destroy Xtianity, and of course the Commie's didn't even make pretenses, they murdered and bulldozed churches(along with anyone else who resisted!)....wrong...it's power mad, atheists who have only themselves to answer for, who are the danger, Xtianity reigns in man's natural barbarism, mind over matter
@metanosis Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Corinthians 14:34 - 35* 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
@moh490234890238490 uhhh, scripture includes many types of writing, and was written some 2000 years ago...so...it's not a technical manual, or a text book, and to treat it as such, shows either a complete lack of knowledge of literary critcal principles, or more likely a desire to cast any literature under consideration in the worst possible light, by ignoring cultural contexts and basic hermeneutical practices....
@metanosis "[Wherever] a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi [Fascist], a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'adviser' or leader; in Cuba [it was] [Jesuit-trained] Castro's 'Father' Armando Llorente..."
Emanuel M. Josephson (American physician and historian)
@metanosis "Above all things, Jesuits are 'confessors'. Their services unto the royalty were urged as a 'need', as they became assigned to hear the confessions of the aristocrats, emperors, kings, queens, princes, princesses, ['royal'] mistresses, those in every level of government -- they all revealed their secret plans, their intimate sins, their inner-most thoughts, as their lives became virtually an open book to the Jesuits.
@metanosis "In the agreement to rescue Rome [i.e., the Roman Catholic Church's hierarchy] from the predicament of losing its world control to Protestantism, and to preserve the spiritual and temporal supremacy which the popes [had] 'usurped' during the Middle Ages, Rome now 'sold' the [Roman Catholic] Church to the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuits]; in essence the popes surrendered themselves into their hands."
@metanosis "Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so did Lenin too, as far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the [Roman] Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use of the [Nazi] Party.
@Hottides "Fonda massively DISSEMPOWERS women..." I agree with you.
I do remember reading a few years ago that she said she'd grown to see sexual acts that only pleasure men as demeaning (she WAS over 60...). Churches love to pounce on sex.
I was inspired by her writings 30 odd years ago about breaking the female stereotype, being strong, & about nutrition & toxic pollution. Now she joins the likes of Dubbya? I thought it was bad enough her doing all those ads for L'Oreal, but THIS!?
How stupid is the host to have to ask Christopher Hitchens, THE HITCH, if he´s "a christian"?!!
LoverofLiszt 6 days ago
Religionists. You just got your ass handed to you by The Hitch. A god among mere mortals. Hitch is taking a razor blade to Jesus right now and making the Jesus character pay for all the children Jesus has raped. Shame on you religionists
699backstab 3 weeks ago
@onebaud1 what the fuck...?
IamAsi94 4 weeks ago
I know this is over 12 years ago and Hitch wasn't anywhere nearly as well known as he later became, but the interviewer actually asked CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS "Are you a Christian?" Nice research!
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@SpecialBrewCan "All these things cause the Father-General [of the Jesuits] to be feared by the Pope and sovereigns... A sovereign who is not their [the Jesuits'] friend will sooner or later experience their vengeance." (1852)
Luigi Desanctis (Official Censor of the Inquisition)
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@SpecialBrewCan ...Wherever a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi, a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'advisor' or leader; in [Communist] Cuba Fr. Armando Llorente and in Argentina the neo-Nazis are led by Fr. Menvieille."
Emanuel M. Josephson (1968)
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@SpecialBrewCan "[Jesuit-trained Illuminist Adam] Weishaupt's success in forcing the Vatican to reestablish the abolished Jesuit Order [Ed. Note: it had been abolished in 1773 by Pope Clement XIV], through revival of the Church's original Nazarene Communism in the form of present-day Communism, led to the conspiracy's control by the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuits]...
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You should repent. Moreover, you should ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10
paularenas26 1 month ago
@candiceevans1 well said...well said indeed
metanosis 2 months ago
The host seems scared of the subject of atheism, and this was in 2000.
A few years later some informative books were published, and all of a sudden they realize the public doesn't mind it and now can't get enough of the topic. Chicken $hit media
fjoo 2 months ago
If you could only choose between Sharpton and Hitchens to be your child's teacher, who would you pick?
CBJAMPA 3 months ago
@CBJAMPA Not Sharpton ... he's a fuckwit
pubuman 2 months ago
I was a Bible believing Christian in 2000, thank goodness I discovered reality and secular humanism before I wasted my entire life on superstitious nonsense.
Zed1967 4 months ago
Sadly due to mitochondrial DNA and man going back over 200,000yrs the Adam and Eve story simply isn't true.If No Adam then no Eve,therefore no talking snake or Temptation,thus no Original sin and no Fall consequently no reason for god to send his half man half god son to be murdered in order that he could stop himself from sending everyone to hell.If No Adam no Judaism,muslims or christians.Maybe the hindu holy book makes more sense Lord Krishna also born of a virgin.Personally its all bollocks.
tonyp1945 5 months ago 2
Another self important atheist pointing the finger!...lol...anazing
detroitthebaptist 5 months ago
Not exactly. God is all-knowing and He therefore knows the future, but that doesn't mean that He predetermines our choices. He gives us free will.
cromptonator 5 months ago
@cromptonator
"He gives us free will."
And then threatens we will be tortured forever if we execute it.
MomoTheBellyDancer 4 months ago 2
@cromptonator
How can you have "free will", if everything you're going to do is known BEFORE you're even born? You're riding on a route that was known before you even appeared - so actually, you only have THE ILLUSION of choice.
Free will you have not - if there's an all knowing god.
grozde 4 months ago
Hitchens actually is a bit gay, I don't think he's been involved in any gay acts but when asked he doesn't seem entirely against the idea. Sort of a classic "happily hetero, but whatever". Also uh, there's quite a bit of a stretch getting Jesus to conform to the Old Testament, and it shows. It is one of the things the gospels most radically disagree on. To say what the birth story of Jesus is, you have to pick a gospel. They are very different.
7j8i9m 6 months ago
@TomFynn or Tom Sawyer
We're not here to be more MORAL than your digustingness.
EVERYTHING is Relative, don't take me for a Door-Mat.
Do-re-mi-fa-si-la-si-Do.
roqsanda 6 months ago
@pilgrimpater ~
No, you be Gay and/or Bi-sexual & still have fathered children.
JESUS was not Gay, Jesus is predicted in the prophecies of the Old Testament, including Isaiah 9:6 ~
"Unto us a CHILD is BORN, unto us a son is given & the government shall be upon his shoulder, & he shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The MIGHTY GOD, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace"
Isaian 6:3 ~ Is about the TRINITY ~ "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY"
The LEVITES are descended from Son No.3 to patriarch Jacob...
CatBornAgain 7 months ago
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Christopher Hitchens is a COCK SUCKER.
Gay 100%.
CatBornAgain 7 months ago
@CatBornAgain stupid christian bastard
ariana29x 7 months ago
@CatBornAgain No Hitchens has 3 children unlike Jesus who never pulled and was more than likely gay but not that i would hold that aginst him.
pilgrimpater 7 months ago
@CatBornAgain Ah personal insults. That must be that fabled Christian morality we always hear about.
TomFynn 6 months ago
haha, brilliant
jsb1cfc 8 months ago
Most Christians do not believe that they have been "chosen" and are therefore not being immodest when they say that God has a plan for them. This lines up with Biblical teaching "He died for all that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again" 2 Corinthians 5:15. If you're not a Christian, it doesn't mean that God doesn't have a plan for you. It simply means, as you most likely acknowledge, that you choose not to live out that plan.
cromptonator 8 months ago
@cromptonator There is a problem with your argument, because god is supposed to be all-knowing. That means that even your responses are pre-determined. You cant prove god wrong, god knows if you are going to hell before you are even born, because he knows everything. In other words, a person "rejecting" gods plan and going to hell, would be part of god's plan.
cuevasdecamuy 7 months ago
@cuevasdecamuy dont waste your time arguing with fuckwit christian sheep. deluded fucking morons.
ariana29x 7 months ago
@candiceevans1 See that your husband has loosened the iron cord, so you can reach the computer..that's enough for the day. Perhaps tomorrow your are allowed to visit your mother.
raponte1955 8 months ago
If there ever was or is a God it is Christopher Hitchens.
thecubanism 8 months ago
@thecubanism Amen brotha.
dkthg 7 months ago
@candiceevans1 You're totally right. Now get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich, whore.
PCrePs 10 months ago
@candiceevans1 You're so right! What you need to do is get back to the morals of the Wild West!
jerrygreg2 10 months ago
@candiceevans1 How dare the women go out and make careers for themselves! they should be on welfare and let the "men" take care of it. What century do YOU live in? you insensitive, dim-witted, women-hating, self-absorbed and pathetic loser.
hoilen 10 months ago 16
@hoilen That's right,resort to insults and name calling because someone isn't afraid to call a spade a spade.So typically HUMAN RACE....!!/
orangewizard 1 month ago
@candiceevans1 By the way, women contributed a lot on the economy, it is the government's fault for not paying women the same wages that men earn just because there are people like you who devalue women's work and existence. you think women chose to be single mothers? you think it is fun being stuck with children and having to look after them 24/7? where are you "useful men"? out making babies that they can't afford to take care of by themselves?
hoilen 10 months ago
@candiceevans1 maybe America has produced a whole bunch of lousy men who could not provide for their wives and as a result have no choice but to be supermoms and take up the slack that men fail to hold up the status quo that they want to keep. promoting homosexuality? are you serious? homosexuality is not a choice, it is natural. I bet your mother is very proud of what you are spewing nonsense and defaming women. Shame on you.
hoilen 10 months ago 2
@hoilen If his mother is proud of him,it is because he is correct.The truth hurts,doesn't it?
orangewizard 1 month ago
It's one thing to question the church and it's hypocrisy, it's another to insult someone for their search for peace of mind and spirit. He's only assuming the most pessimistic aspects to this issue and all that anger only kills his point and inspires more anger and divisiveness. I'm all for an open discussion about the pitfalls of religion but can't we do it with respect?
happylilsunbeam 11 months ago
@happylilsunbeam Apparently, no. Many atheists have been so traumatized by christianity that they have to show their grown hostility to ALL who believe in God and the metaphysical. Well, I'm game to give them a go.
Kostly 11 months ago
@Kostly You're game to give them a go? You mean you will fight people who don't hold a deluded belief in your particular sky god.
You don't even seem to be aware that you're proving correct the opinions stated that religious people create conflict and misery.
"Believe in my sky god or I will become threatening or violent"...no thanks, you just keep it to yourself and let the rest of the world get on with the job of cleaning up the mess made in the name of your god/gods.
solheights 11 months ago
I've never been fond of Jane Fonda, either as an actress, or political/philosophical luminary. Her conversion to Christianity surprises not one bit.
Kailoa36 11 months ago
Holy wars, jihad, the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, centuries of violent and sadistic suppression of learning, science and medical study (that if never overcome would still have us trepanning or placing leeches on our bodies).
All this and so much more, yet people still makes statements such as - "Religion generally improves people lives". Astonishing.
solheights 1 year ago
@solheights Yeah, we should try out state sponsored and enforced atheism. That's worked out really well in the past. Atheism has given the world so much. LOL
Kostly 11 months ago
@Kostly 3 points with your ill thought out comment.
1. Other than yourself, no one mentioned state sponsored Atheism, nor did anyone mention enforced Atheism.
2. Yes, Atheism has in fact given the world so much. It has given the world modern medicine (which is what you have already needed or will need to not die prematurely), science, technology (without which you would not be able to write your glib youtube comments or enjoy the standard of living you no doubt take for granted).
solheights 11 months ago
@solheights Really, dude? Atheism has given the world modern medicine? Your thought process needs some work. At least semantically. LOL Atheism CAN'T give the world anything as it is only an ideology that rejects God, the supernatural, the afterlife and spirituality. The definition of atheism is much simpler than what it includes today. It's become a certain worldview, attempting to gain followers (as evidenced by your furious debating) and very much becoming a "religion", a worldview.
Kostly 11 months ago
@Kostly Atheism did indeed give the world modern medicine, and all the other things mentioned, despite the best efforts of Theists to keep us in ignorance.
My thought processes really are fine. Objective, rational thought and debate is what Atheists or Anti-Theists do best.
Even Thomas Aquinas said, repeatedly, reason is the enemy of religion. That sums things up quite nicely.
The problem with debate with deists of theists is that, by default, even by necessity they believe in anything.
solheights 11 months ago
@Kostly
3. You don't seem to grasp the irony of condemning 'Enforced Atheism', when we've already had 2000 years of enforced theism. Sometimes so brutally enforced as to kill, maim and torture thousands upon thousands of people, over centuries, in the name of 'god'.
I take it you're a Theist, probably a good example of one.
solheights 11 months ago
@solheights Oh, we haven't seen the true atheistic enslavement of humanity, yet. But, there have been a few stark examples. State sponsored atheism is UGLY. The ugliest way to govern people ever thought of. BUt, when the monied interests impose atheism on humanity, you'll know it by the undeniable level of misery in the world.
I'm a DEIST if any definition applies. I don't believe in any sc ripture as defining God or any "afterlife". I see man's word as his or her own. Not God's.
Kostly 11 months ago
@solheights Additionally, if you are from almost anywhere in Europe or America, we don't have theism imposed on us. So are you dealing with history? In other words, something other than contemporary reality? Trust me, the guys who fund all the terrible science and subsequent technology, want to erase spirituality from humanity. That will NEVER happen though. Unless they plan on destroying everyone/thing and inbreeding with themselves. LOL They deserve that fate. They deserve each other.
Kostly 11 months ago
@Kostly Aah, I see now by your extremely numerous and strange comments that you are unstable. A prerequisite of a religious fanatic it would seem.
solheights 11 months ago
Hitchens and Dawkins are two atheist trolls...
I don't like both of them. They are trolls because their cinism only exists to cause polemic and rage from theists.
I don't think they lack of respect really represents a regular atheist.
yuirrr 1 year ago
@yuirrr If English isn't your first language I apologize in advance for telling you to learn to spell the words you use to impress others. You should also be aware that Dawkins and Hitchens do not make their arguments to incite theistic polemics and rage. They argue against religion because it is evil. It rests upon ideas of innate human perversion, abjection, and servility to a divine totalitarian authority while it idealizes a longing for Armageddon and the destruction of the human race.
emaildoctor 1 year ago
@emaildoctor
Dawkins organized an annual meeting of atheist in England.
There, they try to prove that God doesn't exist in a kind of party that lasts days. They use all kind of arguements. I may admit it's fun, but it's nothing but a manifestation of hatred.
Religion is mean, ignorant, blind and violent, but it also enforces hundreds of social auxily events around the world and generally improves people's life.
Most people don't need to think to be happy.
That's the source of our sadness.
yuirrr 1 year ago
@emaildoctor I do not wish to impress the others, I've written that comment while passing through dozens of atheist videos.
God doesn't exist, unfortunately or fortunately. I'm a Nietzsche Reader, I've detected most prejudicial effects the moral, mainly the christian moral, can cause.
I could explain to you why not to be neither a christian nor an atheist.
Dawkins and Hitchens preach the anger agaisnt the theism and I don't think this kind of atheism will improve our image to the world.
yuirrr 1 year ago
@yuirrr Nothing can improve the atheist image to the world. Why don't you go yell at all those people praying in pictures in Japan and tell them how ridiculous they are for doing so. I could actually see Hitch or Dawkins commenting on something like that. Spirituality is here to stay.Get used to it.Atheism is fleeting and a weak minded ideology. That is how I see it. Most atheists nearly always bring up Christianity and the God in the bible.No one in their right mind believes in that god.
Kostly 11 months ago
I can understand the Viet Nam crowd still having bad feeling towards Jane Fonda. I guess everyone says something stupid at one time or another. But she's an example of a so called "famous person" thinking everyone wants or needs their opinion. Who cares Jane !?!?
orangemod 1 year ago
Radio host = wanker.
hdmccart 1 year ago 10
@hdmccart He really isnt, if you watch Brian Lamb in his C-span interviews, you'll realise that it's just his manner that doesnt come across well with audio only. He's just playing devils advocate, and being as impartial as he can be.
Notice how Hitchens isnt disgruntled by his interviewing style, it's because he sees it for what it is.
comanchio1976 11 months ago
@hdmccart Brian Lamb? A wanker? He was one of Hitch's best friends and they greatly admired each other, Brian Lamb is one of the most unbiased presenters I have ever heard.
shawndimery 1 month ago
Chris has got to be the best ventriloquist ever! :)
dirtydonki 1 year ago
Holy shit this guy sure didn't do ANY research if he asks the Hitch if he's Christian!
herringla 1 year ago
@herringla It's common in interviewing to go in acting totally ignorant to get the words from the horse's mouth, so-to-speak. Give the interviewee a chance to share his view.
Kostly 11 months ago
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hitchens is a fuckin faggot
TakisAthensGr 1 year ago
@TakisAthensGr: Umad, bro?
EddieTheFishReturns 1 year ago
what reductionistic nonsense.
EastofForever 1 year ago
hi hello
jasonbeeksma 1 year ago
@Masterdebater747
Point conceded.
mtszabo 1 year ago
@Masterdebater747
Oh, is it Hitchens who's the leader? I thought it was Dawkins... or should we call it a draw?
mtszabo 1 year ago
@mtszabo its definitely Dawkins, but Hitchens is a close second. Hitchens is a bit less lizzard-like than Dawkins. If they aren't aggresive, they are actually both very good to listen to for informational purposes.
pikapp369 1 year ago
Hitchens did not actually answer the question of 'why he thought that this was a "sad little story."
He was being highly deceptive and disingenuous.
And with all due respect, this is something that I readily find to be a common habit
among people who 'claim' to not believe in God, or as Hitchens said, that he 'does
not believe in any form of divine intervention.
He did not say that he did not believe in God!
That, I find to be interesting!
olympicsnow 1 year ago
@olympicsnow
Perhaps because Atheism does not rule out the possibility of there being a god, but merely states that there is insufficient evidence to prove the existence of any of the gods spoken about in religious texts. Atheism isn't necessarily saying that there *is no god*, but more that we cannot *prove* there is a god. Atheism is more of a "I don't know how the universe began or why we're here, but I certainly don't believe what your old book has to say about the matter."
mtszabo 1 year ago
@mtszabo you just described agnosticism.
no more comments from me about this.
google "dagobert runes."
EastofForever 1 year ago
@EastofForever
Meh... in my experience, it's more of a sliding scale than a hard-set definition. You have deists on one end who think that there probably is a god, but it's not one belonging to any of the organized religions. On the other end you have "hard" atheists who believe that there is absolutely no possibility of a god. In the middle you have the agnostics and the "soft" atheists who don't rule out the possibility entirely, but also think it's highly unlikely.
mtszabo 1 year ago
@mtszabo SHUT THE FUCK UP!!
I TOLD YOU I WASN'T GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN YOUR STUPIDITY. YOU CAN'T EVEN FUCKING READ A DICTIONARY!
SHUT--THE--FUCK--UP!
EastofForever 1 year ago
@EastofForever
Interesting. So, you're not going to get involved, yet when I post a definition, your first instinct is to start screaming? Is that the patent response in Logicville, USA? Is this the method by which you will be "eating [my] intellectual lunch?"
As for the dictionary:
ag·nos·tic /ægˈnɒstɪk/ [ag-nos-tik]
—Synonyms
1. See: atheist.
mtszabo 1 year ago
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@mtszabo SHUT THE FUCK UP!!
I TOLD YOU I WASN'T GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN YOUR STUPIDITY. YOU CAN'T EVEN FUCKING READ A DICTIONARY!
SHUT--THE--FUCK--UP!
EastofForever 1 year ago
@olympicsnow trust me he doesnt believe in god...he wrote a book about it for gods sake!
SmackNcrack01 1 year ago
How dare Hitchens!! To make assumption or make judgements about anyone... Cheeky git.
LaMOi1 1 year ago
1:37 don't fucking interrupt Christopher Hitchens!
NZbroncos 1 year ago
@NZbroncos Hitchens? The empty, intellectually dishonest carelessly generalizational Hitchens? Oh. Sry.
fifalacious 1 year ago
".....all this born again stuff gives me a pain..."
Why?
I don't get why someones faith always have to give an atheist a pain. After all, if this is the only life you're going to have, I suggest you start living it up and quit being concerned with the beliefs of others.
rubbersole79 1 year ago
@rubbersole79
Love to... So maybe if they'd keep it to themselves and stop trying to stop others from freely living their lives, we'd do just that?
shaxanth27 1 year ago
@shaxanth27
In a country that exercises and was supposedly founded on freedom of religion, we're not required to "keep it to ourselves", and you, exercising your freedoms, are not required to worship anything in any way.
So in what way have you been stopped from freely living your life?
rubbersole79 1 year ago
@rubbersole79
What part of "trying" don't you understand?
Stop trying to shove religion into science classes, stop trying to make kids pray in schools, stop trying to prevent women from exercising their right to make choices about their own bodies, stop trying to prevent gays from marrying each other, stop trying to prevent doctors from exploring benign and promising methods of curing disease, stop trying pull books from libraries, and really, stop being an obtuse idiot.
shaxanth27 1 year ago
@shaxanth27
I told myself I wouldn't reply to anyone who gets personal or resorts to name calling so at the risk of being obtuse, I would only say that you are now enjoying most of these freedoms so dear to you and of course our society is the better for it.
But the last time I checked, in a "free" society all opinions & dissent are allowed their discourse and ultimate end, no matter the motivation.
You want carte blanche? Get yourself a dictator who sees things your way.
have a nice day
rubbersole79 1 year ago
@rubbersole79 "I told myself I wouldn't reply to anyone who gets personal or resorts to name calling "
I didn't resort to it; I pointed it out.
The only reason I haven't yet "been stopped" from freely living my life even though the religious have been constantly trying to prevent people from doing so, is because secularists before me have fought long and hard to wrestle their freedom from under their alleged god's thumb.
I don't need to get myself a dictator. The religious have one on retainer
shaxanth27 1 year ago
I like how hitchens slaps the hell out of someones faith and calls her generally a moron and then in the same breath calls her egotistical as if he was fighting for top spot for the arrogant of the year award ..talk about one snug arroantly egotistically,critical bastard ..the only reason people really admire him is because he is such a pr**k..u know it I know it and god knows that chrissy needs a hug ...Is he someones kid? did someone marry this guy or does he live in a smoky mens club ?
zwreckless1 1 year ago
@zwreckless1 LOL you said "god knows it" XD
jimmymastiff 1 year ago
Does that mean she gets to die twice
MrCuntyballs2U 1 year ago
I agree with Hitchens 100%.
outofthegreenmist 1 year ago
Hitchens hacks through illusion like a machete through the undergrowth.
cutes22 1 year ago
If Jane can disregard mountains of evidence showing VC's torture against POWs, it's then quite logical for her to disregard mountains of evidence showing there is no magical sky dictator. Fonda needs to be owned, either by leftwing authoritarian regime, or by a cosmic monarchy.
Turan123 1 year ago
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synclavier123 1 year ago
Wait, I've just realised.... this was ten years ago so this was BEFORE she sold out and started doing L'Oreal ads. Ohhhh.
Tsk, tsk... religion does so encourage hypocrites.
queenastilon 1 year ago
"Are you a christian?" OMG he asked that of the Hitch, has this guy been living underground?
yatter1 1 year ago
eeritable, so being Christian is a sign of intelligence, what gives you more brownie points, the talking snake, creationism, witch-burning or child-molesting?
lovelandre 1 year ago
Jane Fonda was an atheist, so your argument for life long stupidity is valid, but if she has accepted Christ, she is obviously getting smarter.
eeritable 1 year ago
@eeritable
So, for you becoming a born again chriostain is a sign of intelligence?
We don't have the same conception of inetlligence.
People who become born again christains are often people who have psychological problems.
hunchbacked 1 year ago
@hunchbacked
So for you believing that nature can write highly specified information without an intelligent agency, and accepting that nature is capable of being its own 1st cause is a sign of intelligence?
We don't have the same conception of intelligence.
People who become atheists are often people who have psychological problems.
eeritable 1 year ago
@eeritable
I have no psychological problems, I believe in the power and intelligence of evolution.
hunchbacked 1 year ago
@hunchbacked
Then we don't have the same conception of psychological problems, because evolution is not intelligent, nor is it powerfull.....it is this simple.....I believe correctly that the most sophisticated operating machine language ever witnessed by mankind (DNA), requires an intelligent agency at its inception...I use as the basis for this conclusion every single incidence of highly specified information known to man.....and people who don't believe that have psychological problems :)
eeritable 1 year ago
@eeritable
I don't feel like having psychological problems!
hunchbacked 1 year ago
Why do I invision you dancing around your small apartment snapping your fingers and giggling wilst your anemic, goth girlfriend watches on? Is there a point in all the references to pioneers of psychology? What's your point, do tell. If by acting the court jester makes you feel vindicated then by all means you have won the argument. You are just too sophisticated for the rest of us.
1986daveyd 1 year ago
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90byork 1 year ago
@90byork True, true. Can't say that I would argue with you on the latter point.
1986daveyd 1 year ago
Religion is common only among the herd. Those who reject religion want free thought, are not afraid of going it alone. Care about truth, reason and discovery. To 90byork, you can't peg him down and that's upsets you?
1986daveyd 1 year ago
ive been marked as spam , obviously ive hit a nerve! great! there are plenty of thinking
people who believe ,and have freedom of thought too, as real belief will take you on the journey of individuation.i never understand most atheists version of god anyway ,its amazing how such super intelligent people create the most daft being and even worse convince themselves that others agree with it.
lanc44 1 year ago
@lanc44 Um, wow....you wrote "version of god" which I presume you meant not to capitalize god, which is good, yes we hold no favor to him no praise or servility. Now you say "version", which is really inconsistant with our ideals. Afterall what purpose a version for a non entity. I don't believe in the boogy man either. You know the tall version boogy man not the short version boogy man he is ok. Oh, and I wish spam upon no man.
1986daveyd 1 year ago
@1986daveyd
i dislike your clever clogs awnser sir. Smacks
of praise and servility,let alone bowing on all 4's to your god or gods
christopher hitchens and probably mr dickie dawkins.
.oh and i dont care for the religious ideals of atheism
lanc44 1 year ago
@lanc44 You contradict yourself in your own argument. Resolve yourself to sexual retort if you must but I have no idea how that sustains your opinion. Ah, it is evident so often how the repressed desires manifest themselves in the babblings of the ignorant.
1986daveyd 1 year ago
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90byork 1 year ago
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i know evangelists arnt much better but i still think hitchens is a crook,he espouses
the beauty of reason and the beauty of rational thought but i cant juxtapose this with the puzzling paradox of his career moves.
In this interview he dosnt sound so venomous as he has become since 9/11 , The new atheist movement seems rehearsed ,plotted ,,opportunist just something phoney about it .iLL read dawkins though but never hitchens,
90byork 2 years ago
@90byork sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about. What is bad about his career moves that undermines reason? Clarify.
Secondly, clarify exactly what about the "new atheist movement" is bad. And what is the "new atheist movement" in the first place.
boorens18 1 year ago
well my idea of what the new atheist movement would be the success that atheist, logic and reason, is having not only around the world but what is really something the success in jesus country.
with this definition i completely understand some religious goon would have a problem with it.
Nibielari 1 year ago
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Pray for this man to see and turn what a great witness that would be!
TerriQ100 2 years ago
Neat, just had the very same thought ... this really would be like from Saul to Paul! But Dawkins would be even better, I guess. Let's pray for both of them.
TimotheosCauvin 2 years ago
@TerriQ100, Does Hitchens have a feeble mind? No, not in the least therefore you must realize that he will never convert to your silly religion! I will end with a quote unless you choose to dialog. continued:
99minerkc 2 years ago
I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts.(Albert Einstein)
99minerkc 2 years ago
they ask HITCHENS if he is a Christian? Wow. Way to not prepare for an interview....
forestskog 2 years ago 74
LOL... This guy is from C-SPAN and I usually like his questioning, but PLEASE asking Hitchens if he is a Christian!! You might as well ask the Pope if he's Catholic
herrrob14 2 years ago
I guess in fairness this is an old interview. His views may have been less well known at the time
forestskog 2 years ago
I think a better analogy would to be ask the Pope if he was Muslim.
blacbraun 2 years ago 22
...or atheist.
JohnHasSeriousQ 2 years ago
@blacbraun
looooooooool
reaperq88 1 year ago
The interview is from 2000 - he hadn't been one of the posterboys of new atheism back then ... actually 9/11 opened the markets for this kind of angry rehashing of old Auguste Comte's positivsm.
TimotheosCauvin 2 years ago
@forestskog
To be fair though, this was before the New Atheist movement inspired by 9/11. This interview is from CSPAN and I'm almost positive its really from the mid to late 1990s not, as the title indicates, from 2000. I may be wrong, but I'm fairly certain there is a video of it on YouTube out there.
mapscannotcontainme 1 year ago
@forestskog Wait a second. Brian Lamb has interviewed him innumerable times. He had to know Hitchens was an atheist. I wonder if he was just setting Hitchens up with that question. Otherwise, 2000 was the first time it came up? Confusing.
SmelOdies 1 year ago
@forestskog Yeah, good point. Amazing ignorance (even in 2000) by lamb. Wow. It's the equivalent of asking "Is the Pope Catholic?"
proffromgview 1 year ago
who the fuck is jane fonda, jk who the fuck cares.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
Who the FUCK are you? And who FUCKING cares?
ItBrandonSilver 2 years ago
lol
feldman30012 2 years ago
jane xtianity is surprising to me b/c of her feminism...she is no diff to all the others who get saved.
feldman30012 2 years ago
Jane is merely looking for acceptance of her debacle from Vietnam as "Hanoi Jane"
Seeker64 2 years ago 2
are you referring to hitchens as the bitching, evil, hateful, negative person?
Nibielari 2 years ago
"Are you a Christian?"
Doesn't this man research his guests?
ImposingSumo 2 years ago 2
Obviously this brian lamb hasn't done his homework to ask Hitchens if he's a christian. It' s like asking the pope if he's jewish.
limpnail 2 years ago 2
I dont know whether it was common knowledge in ten years ago.
kubiczech25 2 years ago
Jane Fonda as always been a bona fide naive nut-job. A youth as Vietcong poster girl, middle-age anti-nuke guru, Born-Again Christian in old age...life-long stupidity.
Hottides 2 years ago 18
Gee whiz! Couldn't have said it any better myself. Thumbs up for you Hottides.
kentamitchell 2 years ago
@Hottides And, I must add -- I've always hated her as an actress. Has this woman ever delivered a performance that wasn't mannered and phony?
Hell, I wasn't even crazy about her when she was taking her clothes off back in her "Barbarella" days.
prodprod 1 year ago
@prodprod To hecll with the Academy and all those who actually know what they are talking about, eh?
babaluboo123 1 year ago
@babaluboo123 Well, if you think that the same organization that gave Julie Andrews Best Actress for Mary Poppins and Elizabeth Taylor Best Actress for Cleopatra are "actually the ones who know what they're talking about" -- as opposed to an organization largely driven by economic, professional, and partisan considerations -- so be it.
prodprod 1 year ago
@prodprod Since you only offer your uncredentialed personal opinion as a counter-point, it is the rational position to take.
Anyone who rejects the beauty of such physical form is suspect.
babaluboo123 1 year ago
@babaluboo123 First, you don't know my credentials. Second, appeal to authority isn't a valid argument, third, whether you consider Jane Fonda (at least in her younger days) to be beautiful, is no measure of her acting ability. Many beautiful women can't act their way out of a paper bag.
prodprod 1 year ago
@prodprod You made credentials an issue when you denigrated the Academy. You denigrated both her acting ability and her beauty.
So? Many ugly women can't act their way out of a paper bag. You are sooo profound.
If you don't want an honest debate, you are going about it the right way.
babaluboo123 1 year ago
@Hottides How charitable of you.
babaluboo123 1 year ago
@babaluboo123 Truth and politics are ruthlessly cutthroat, and allow no charity. Jane Fonda's career and views attest to uncritical fadishness, sensationalism and mental vapidness. Thus Nutjob Jane moved effortlessly from Communism to Christianity without batting an eyelash or growing a brain.
Hottides 1 year ago
@Hottides You are a piece of work.
babaluboo123 1 year ago
@babaluboo123 A wondrous piece of work wrought by stellar and Darwinian evolution. Then again, so is Jane Fonda. ROFLAO
Hottides 1 year ago
@Hottides I rather think you suffer from a massive and socially crippling inferiority complex.
Jane helped bring an end to the war, and has empowered women around the world.
You sound like a religious extremist or a nazi...atheist or not.
babaluboo123 1 year ago
@babaluboo123 Fonda massively DISSEMPOWERS women by embracing and thus advocating Evangelical Christianity, the most fascistic strain of a misogynistic faith. Her newfound creed is dedicated to upholding Patriarchy by straggling reproductive freedoms, reversing the Sexual Revolution, and erasing Feminism! The once ardent Leftist has embraced the likes of Jerry Falwell, Operation Rescue and Joseph Tiller's killer!! IMHO, Fonda should have stuck with Communism, which advocates gender equality.
Hottides 1 year ago 2
@Hottides You obviously know nothing about Jane except what you get from your Right Wing Gods.
Don't forget to take your pills...wouldn't want to read about you in the news.
babaluboo123 1 year ago
@Hottides
Frankly, I think it's odd she would choose Christianity, however, she felt guided to it and I say good for her. She's no communist, good lord.
84ccipollini 1 year ago
@84ccipollini Why is it "good for her" that Fonda chose Christianity because she felt "guided by it"? If She felt called to Nazism, would that be good for her? In neither her actions nor your praise is there any indication that either of you ANALYZED the CONTENT of her newfound beliefs or their implications. By definition, Fonda is now a Creationist, Male Chauvinist and Quasi-Fascist, i.e. beliefs that are good for NOBODY! Beliefs are only praiseworthy if they are RATIONAL and based on FACT!
Hottides 1 year ago
@Hottides where to begin, you heard of the nobel laureate, director of the genome project Francis Collins, a devout Xtian and evolutionist? Fascist!! the Nazi's spent many resources trying to destroy Xtianity, and of course the Commie's didn't even make pretenses, they murdered and bulldozed churches(along with anyone else who resisted!)....wrong...it's power mad, atheists who have only themselves to answer for, who are the danger, Xtianity reigns in man's natural barbarism, mind over matter
metanosis 1 year ago
@metanosis Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Corinthians 14:34 - 35* 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
keep that shit to yourself :P
moh490234890238490 1 year ago
@moh490234890238490 uhhh, scripture includes many types of writing, and was written some 2000 years ago...so...it's not a technical manual, or a text book, and to treat it as such, shows either a complete lack of knowledge of literary critcal principles, or more likely a desire to cast any literature under consideration in the worst possible light, by ignoring cultural contexts and basic hermeneutical practices....
metanosis 2 months ago
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@metanosis "[Wherever] a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi [Fascist], a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'adviser' or leader; in Cuba [it was] [Jesuit-trained] Castro's 'Father' Armando Llorente..."
Emanuel M. Josephson (American physician and historian)
countdumas 1 week ago
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@metanosis "Above all things, Jesuits are 'confessors'. Their services unto the royalty were urged as a 'need', as they became assigned to hear the confessions of the aristocrats, emperors, kings, queens, princes, princesses, ['royal'] mistresses, those in every level of government -- they all revealed their secret plans, their intimate sins, their inner-most thoughts, as their lives became virtually an open book to the Jesuits.
countdumas 1 week ago
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@metanosis "In the agreement to rescue Rome [i.e., the Roman Catholic Church's hierarchy] from the predicament of losing its world control to Protestantism, and to preserve the spiritual and temporal supremacy which the popes [had] 'usurped' during the Middle Ages, Rome now 'sold' the [Roman Catholic] Church to the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuits]; in essence the popes surrendered themselves into their hands."
John Daniel
countdumas 1 week ago
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@metanosis "Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so did Lenin too, as far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the [Roman] Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use of the [Nazi] Party.
Adolph Hitler
countdumas 1 week ago
@Hottides
typical stupid comment from another hysterical misanthropic bigot
balamanti2 1 year ago
@Hottides "Fonda massively DISSEMPOWERS women..." I agree with you.
I do remember reading a few years ago that she said she'd grown to see sexual acts that only pleasure men as demeaning (she WAS over 60...). Churches love to pounce on sex.
I was inspired by her writings 30 odd years ago about breaking the female stereotype, being strong, & about nutrition & toxic pollution. Now she joins the likes of Dubbya? I thought it was bad enough her doing all those ads for L'Oreal, but THIS!?