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  • Există şi o variantă transilvăneană, Haidău, care se aseamănă destul de mult cu acest dans

  • MA SCUZA TI DAR COMENTARIUL ESTE IN URMA UNOR LECTURI CARE SE VOR CAT MAI APROPIATE DE ADEVAR SI NU NE REGASIM IN ELE , CA AROMANI ( MACHEDONI )

  • MA SCUZA TI DAR COMENTARIUL ESTE IN URMA UNOR LECTURI CARE SE VOR CAT MAI APROPIATE DE ADEVAR SI NU NE REGASIM IN ELE , CA AROMANI ( MACHEDONI )

  • APOI E LOGIC CA daca , DE APROAPE 1700 DE ANI ,ASIMILEZI SLAVI , TURCI , RUSI ,... TU , CA SI POPOR ROMAN formezi O NATIE DE SINE STATATOARE ...IAR TU AROMAN FORMAT DIN TRAC SI ROMAN DEVII CU TOTUL O ALTA NATIE .. uitam , vedeti ca si italiana s-ar putea sa fie un dialect roman dupa toate teoriile aplicate armanilor /?! ar fi o chestie , nu ?!.... dar chiar si franceza ar fi dialect romanesc ! uau !

  • XEMPLU FAMILIA DIRIJORULUI VON KARAJAN . SANT UN POPOR DE COMERCIANTI SI FOSTI PASTORI (O MARE PARTE IN ZONA MUNTILOR PIND),CU PERSONALITATE PUTERNICA , TRADITII SPECIFICE LOR-DECI O NATIE CLARA NEAVAND O TARA ESTE ADEVARAT CA VIN F MULTI FILOLOGI, ISTORICI ETC,CU DIV TEZE DE DOCTORAT , CARTI .., DAR DIN TOT CE AM REUSIT SA CITESC UN SINGUR ISTORIC ENGLEZ MI S A. PARUT CA S-A APROPIAT DE ADEVAR .. APOI E LOGIC CA -daca , DE APROAPE 1700 DE ANI ,ASIMILEZI SLAVI , TURC

  • AROMANII ASTAZI SE AFLA IN ROMANIA DIN MAI MULTE MOTIVE PRINTRE CARE SI ACELA AL POLITICII DE EXPANSIUNE ( VEZI ANII 1880 --) SI DORINTA DE ASIMILARE A POPORULUI LATIN CEL MAI APROPIAT GEOGRAFIC - iN ZONA MACEDONIEI AU RAMAS ROMANII PENTRU A CONTROLA DRUMURILE COMERCIALE ,ACOLO S-A FORMAT ACEL POPOR ( TRAC +ROMAN= AROMAN ) BOGATASII AROMANI CAND MIGRAU SPRE TARILE GERMANE PRIN 1700- 1800 ERAU INNOBILATI ADAUGANDULI-SE PARTICULA VON NUMELUI AROMANESC . EXEMPLU FAMILIA DIRIJORULUI VON KAR

  • DE EX AROMANA " TOARNA-TI" = TORNATI= INTOARCETE ,"TI BASH"= TI

    BACIO = TE SARUT , "MESSU "-MESSE- LUNA ETC

    EXISTA O ORIGINE COMUNA DAR SAU FORMAT si DEZVOLTAT INDEPENDENT UNII FATA DE CEILALTI . SANTEM LATINI CA SI ALTE POPOARE CUM AR FI CHIAR SI RETOROMANII DIN ELVETIA

    DE EX ( SAU SI ACEEA AR FI PANA LA URMA ROMANI ! ?) CRED CA SE CAM EXAGEREAZA CU ACEASTA 'ROMANIE MARE' AROMANII ASTAZI SE AFLA IN ROMANIA DIN MAI MULTE MOTIVE PRINTRE

  • O umila parere... dupa ce am citit diferite variante legate de originea macedo-romanilor= aromanilor ar fi ca intradevar sant tracii asimilati da catre imperiul roman ( limba etc ) acest lucru nu inseamna ca sant aceeasi natie cu romanii din nordul dunarii . Limba seamana cu romana asa cum si italiana , spaniola ..seamana cu romana.CUM SE EXPLICA oare EXISTENTA IN LIMBA AROMANA A MULTOR CUVINTE , CARE NU EXISTA IN LB ROMANA ,acestea fiind DIN LB ITALIANA ?DE EX IN AROMANA "TOARNA-TI" /T

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  • Arumanii sunt tracii sud-dunareni mai jos de Tessalia pana la Bosfor, din Dobrogea pana in Macedonia, Munte Negru, Albania, Bosnia - Vlahia Batrana cum se numea in secolul XIX, Voevodina. inruditi cu megleno-romanii si istro-romanii din Croatia. Alexandru Machedon rege trac. Jumate din zeii Olimpului sunt zei thraci.

    Ilirii se pare ca au fost asimilati in parte de traci, iar in parte au migrat in sud in teritoriul Albaniei de astazi

  • bravooo frate rumanji/arumaniii

  • Priviti cu atentie toiagele pastorilor aromani din toti Balcanii : manerul este sarpele cu cap de lup ! Asta spune ceva ... nu-i asa ?

  • Xoreyei o Axilleas Tsiaras kai klarino paizei o Dhmhtrhs Parasxos

  • 1.grecii nu inteleg aromana,e al naibii de dovedit ...2.albanezii nu inteleg armana,la fel de dovedit..3.sarbii.4.romanii la fel..dar se pare ca cea maia semanatoare este romana..

  • dincasorin..nu cred totusi ca iliri erau traci..totusi am o intrebare..ptr voi armanii ce erau?...de unde se trag?opinia mea mea este ca suntem traci...teritoriile de acum 200 de ani locuite de traci se suprapun apropae identic cu teritoriile unde se afla armanii in ziua de azi

  • that's how I'm dancing it...

    very nice video!

  • Acest tip de dans este specific Epirului, va rog nu mai emiteti porcari pe care le postati aici, Greci la fel ca Ungurii fura de la alte popoare, atat dansuri si obiceiuri cat si folclor. Grecii, neam de marinari traiau pe malul marii unde si-au infintat orase state. Dupa invazia Romana au reusit sa intre in Epir. Acest dans este Aromanesc, nu are nimic de la Greci sau Albanezi, teoretic Albanezii sunt Iliri (neam de Traci) Ca sa isi intareasca stapanirea in Epir, Greci recurg la Inselaciuni.

  • NA ZHSH H THESSALIA KARDITSA FOR EVER

  • Quote.rpof.Dimitry Obolensky.Oxford.1971.The history of the Balkan. Quote:The vlachs whose Romance dialect akin to modern Rumanian,points their origin to the balkan peninsula,in the area of Thessaly,today Greece.Appear in the Byzantine sources of the 11th and 12th centuries in much the same guise as today.The Jewish traveller Benjamin of Tudela describe the Vlach as follow;

  • Continue::Transhumant shepherds,muving their flock of sheeps and goats between their winter settlements in the plain os Thessaly and their summer pastures in the Pindus and Grammos Mountains.Their seasonable migration leter attested other part of the Balkan Peninsula.The Byzantines know them for their dislike to paying taxes and their incurable insubordination.They are all together lawless"

  • Have Nothing to do with that!!Wrong!!!

  • cred că e dans împrumutat de la greci

  • Invers.. grecii, prin asimilarea armanilor (le-au bagat in cap ca ei sunt greci latinizati, elini) au definit inclusiv muzica si dansurile armanilor ca si grecesti.Aceste dansuri se invata ca si ..grecesti in Grecia dar ..armane in Macedonia sau..albaneze in Albania. Similar sa intamplat cu muzica si dansurile vlahilor din Serbia(Timoc). Inainte era o politica de a amesteca stilurile si a le defini ca sarbesti astfel incat sa se piarda treptat caracterul original.

  • dansul e albanez la origne si inseamna in limba lor "a prinde" daca nu ma insel...

    exista 3 denumiri pt dansu asta,specifice fiecarui popor

    albanezzii ii spun chamur sau ceva in genu asta,grecii ii spun tsamiko iar aromanii ceamcu

    danusurile se aseamana doar catev diferente exista,si desigur nu in ultimul rand,grecii cu greata lor tipica de popor homosexual nu pot sa accepte ca dansul este albanez,albanezii fiindu-le un popor inferior lor,cum spun ei....

  • Daca n-ar fi atatea interese si divergente politice, s-ar putea studia mult mai bine originea dansurilor,cantecelor, porturilor,limbilor, obiceiurilor si a atatea altor repere care ar fi utile pentru descifrarea si evolutia istoriei popoarelor balcanice. Stiam ca exista o legatura intre albanezi,aromani si greci in privinta dansului asta , dar eram sigur ca nu e grecesc. Daca il intrebam pe Soritzel cred ca ne-ar putea lamuri mai bine despre dansul asta.

  • cu siguranta si el si ethnikheart....

    eu din ce stiu asta inseamna.....

    chiar as fi si eu curios,as vrea sa aflu,pentru ca grecii ca de obicei sustin ca e dans elenic...

  • Shared and not "appropriated"

  • superArnaut, the culture of Ancient Athens has been fully digested and integrated throughout Europe long ago. today we have moved far beyond those rudimentary forms of democracy and beyond slavery as well.

    you are like a guy who invented the wheel who stands at the street corner each day and yells at every car that passes "it's because of me, it's because of me!".

    one qualifier for that analogy is that YOU are not the guy who invented the wheel, so it's completely comical to absurd extreme.

  • Aromanian is a romanian dialect.

  • it's not really "greek" music per se, this form is actually found in a more concentrated form in Albania, but today a political border separates a region that once was unified naturally according to traditions and customs and even language, though of course the greek language was also spoken there along with Albanian.

    it is a common "greek" attribute to label culture and art from a region of many peoples, as greek in origin.

    of course, none of this has anything to do with Ancient Greece.

  • Just like the Romans adopted a superior Greek culture so did the Vlachs. Greeks span time in influence.

  • these vlachs are in fact romanians...

  • Only illiterate people can say that Vlachs (Aromanians) are albanian. Vlachs have noble origins, they speak a romance language very close to classical latin!

  • Yes, aromanians are vlachs and they speak a romance language. The proof is that their language is very similar to romanian[almost identical]:)

  • silly debate, certainly modern Romanian has almost nothing to do with Ancient Dacian or Thracian or Illyrian (though of course the Romanians do have a Dacian origin and possibly share origin with the Albanians), but to speak of latin based language close to Romance languages as an indication of an ancient origin is a bit strange.

    the ancient languages are Greek (now a dead language unfortunately, modern Greek cannot interprate Ancient Greek), and Albanian (Illyrian).

  • Romanians do have geto-dacian origins. Thou' some other countries,with different teritorial interests say they don't(ignorants still brag about it...they have plenty of fictive theories...)there were some genetic tests made to compare romanian dna with dacian one...and as much as i know...the romanian dna matches with the dacian one...

  • And about the greek vlachs...

    It was not a debate.Just a fact.I'm not saying this people are romanian,they are greek vlachs...but vlachs[latinate dacians-romanians-were called wlachs, vlachs...etc]

    They speak some sord of a proto-romanian...but have differnt customs(that look greek to me)

    And about the relation between albanians and romanians.Well i think that's a joke. Only Illyrians were similar to Trachians[thou'not the same people]

    I'm not a historian but this are basic facts i know.

    Cheers

  • Just like the Romans adopted a superior Greek culture so did the Vlachs. Greeks span time in influence.

  • These big bearded broads in tennis skirts are doing the "Soulja Boy" wrong.

  • albanian and greeks are brothers.

    this is the truth, the people of south albania

    are greeks.

  • these are not albanians!!! These are AROMANIANS and AROMANIANS are LATIN!

  • We are distant brothers, but people of southalbania are not Greek, only a megalo maniac like you could say that. Are arvanites Greek? Think what you just said. South albanians are tosk labs, and there is a greek minorety.

  • Vlakhoi are also called cincari, Our grup call themselves Aromaites. Big community in Metsovon. We speak a dialect of Romanian. Thru-out the centuries there has been a mix of cultures in the Balkans, just as there are communities of Greeks in Constansta Romania called Phanariotes, there are Latin speakers in Greece, Albania (Kudhes and elsewhere) and former Yugo. I would assume that Tsamiko stems from Tsammedites, most Southerly group of Illyrians who split into Chams and Arvanites.

  • this is vlach it doesnt have conections with the greeks and the albanians.

  • albanians .... wow ... please...read something before speak .... albanians .... i can't write ....because I laugh ..... albanians ..... hahahaha

  • ALBANIAN HERITAGE

  • that is serious boring visually.

  • Thanks for posting this , I really like it , it seems more genuine than some others but do youknow the origins of the Tsamiko? most Greeks see it the national folk dance but others say not , what do you think ?

  • the origins are Albanian, "tsamiko" referring to "Tsams" or chams=chameria...Albanian in origin, very old traditional dance, that is still danced in Southern Albanian lands.

  • Can you post some videos of Albanians dancing the Tsamiko ? I would love to see this. This is one of the most beautiful dances and powerful music .I believe that many Greeks have Albanian roots and there are common elements in both modern cultures , this could date back to ancient times .

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