Just don't embrace the filthy and greedy evil possessed western swines.. Jesus won't.. its forbidden for us Muslims to associate ourselves with them too..
Poor Gaddafi. One of the major reasons for the revolt were that many people were fed up with Gaddafi allowing Africans from poor nations work in his nation. Gaddafi was Pan-African and wanted to Unify Africa, which can be proven since he was the leader of the AU for years.
Conservatives have just conquered Libya, and the freedom of Socialism is dead. No longer will the poor of Libya be equal to the upperclasses.
Long live Gaddafi! Long live Socialism! Long live a United African State!
The total population of Libya was 6,461,000 people.
An 85% MAJORITY fully supported a Green Libya.
Of the remaining 15% MINORITY (969,000) apathetic, disaffected and/or disgruntled – how many were actually ultra-conservative and/or fanatical?
There were ONLY 15-20,000 (so-called) ‘rebels’ (many shipped in from other countries).
By what ‘right’ does a small MINORITY (of ‘fanatical extremists’ & ‘OUTSIDERS’) seek to dominate and control the VAST MAJORITY - by violent and aggressive force?!
(approx.) 20,000 fanatical, extremist Mercenaries have just viciously 'imposed' themselves on the vast MAJORITY of Libyan People (a total of 6.4 MILLION!) against their collective will, by brutal FORCE (with the help of 20 western nations’ military) and MURDERED all its leaders and over 100,000 civilians!
And now someone has the gall / audacity / chutzpah to call this ‘foreign INVASION’ and brutal ‘OCCUPATION’ a ‘democracy’?!!
Not the Rothchilds again... However, if that plan (whoever is behind it) comes true, I will surely put "them" on a pedestal! (And its not about Arabs, but Mahoundians.)
See this is what NATO shouldn't have gotten involved. What fucking difference does it make? These people are too stupid to understand that embracing religion will never lead to freedom. We should only help secular movements, committed to democracy and free expression overthrow their government. Otherwise fuck it. Let them have at each other.
@Newenlightenmentnow the problem is that religious people are willing to use violence to get what they want whereas non-religious people prefer to avoid danger. this is because religious people think they will go to heaven if they die whereas non-religious people think that nobody goes to heaven. this is one of the main reasons why religious people are in power in so many places in the world, and the only way non-religious people can get into power is by pretending to be one of the religious.
@IndignantSkeptic Yeah but it's not always true. Pat Tillman was an atheist and a soldier. He had the opportunity to avoid service and had an NFL contract. He signed up for the Rangers. He was not afraid to die. We need more people like that on our team. I'm one of them. I think a world without religion is something worth dieing for.
@Newenlightenmentnow there are exceptions to rules sometimes but i was talking generally. i'm curious why you are willing to die to get rid of religion. i want to get rid of religion so we can live. i think you would be afraid of dying if you knew what a scientist said could happen soon.
@IndignantSkeptic I want to get rid of religion because it causes unnecessary suffering. The issues of stem cells, the right to contraceptive, the right of women to control their own bodies are clear issues. Religions take the wrong side because their magic book tells them to. I blame religion for humanity's lack of scientific progress. Just imagine where we'd be if the dark ages had never existed.
@Newenlightenmentnow hahaha you are talking about the graph that shows up when you type "dark ages progress" in google images. yeah, religious people seem to be against happiness. when i heard religious people were called fundies i didn't realize it was referring to fundamentalism; i thought it was referring to the fact they seem to be trying to kill fun. i wonder whether you know who Dr. Aubrey de Grey is. btw i'm being watched by shockofgod too.
@IndignantSkeptic LOL, yeah, well that's also true about the fundies. They also are anti-fun. No sex, no drinking. I agree with Sam Harris in that the reason for banning marijuana are purely religious. Pot gives people some of the same spiritual feelings that people get with religion, so it's a competitor. I never heard of Dr. Aubrey de Grey. i'm trying to read all of the four horsemen books first. I will add Dr. de Grey to my reading list though. Fuck ShockofGod. Censoring prick
@Newenlightenmentnow wow, if you hate religion now then wait till you hear what Dr. Aubrey de Grey has to say. don't read his book unless you really love books because i find them so boring personally. just watch some videos of him on youtube.
Libyan rebellion has radical Islamist fervor: Benghazi link to Islamic militancy:U.S. Military Document Reveals
"“Libyans were more fired up to travel to Iraq to kill Americans than anyone else in the Arabic-speaking world,” Andrew Exum, a counterinsurgency specialist and former Army Ranger noted in a blog posting recently."
religious people should not be allowed to govern. they are the sort of people that would think that Harry Potter movies are documentaries. if people refuse to face reality then they should be automatically disqualified from making decisions about reality.
What a heart-wrenching failure it would be to see a people rise up against an oppressor, only to get down on their knees again! I have hope that Libyans will put their freedom before faith.
I know Christianity isn't really much better than Islam, but I would take living in a Christian country any day over living in a country with these savages.
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
The United States was never founded on christians values. Many of the founders were atheist, agnostic or deist. The christian clergy in fact went against Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine was known as the "father of the revolution" and after he wrote, Age of Reason, christians ostrasized him. Many of the founders were absolutely against organized religion as they found it to be detrimental to the principles of reason. Continued.
Animals torturing and killing animals, in order to enact laws of a primative disgusting religion. The women of Libya will surely be enjoying their new rights and freedoms. Anyone that thought there was actually a side worth cheering for in this revolution is very naive.
The United States was never founded on christians values. Many of the founders were atheist, agnostic or deist. The christian clergy in fact went against Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine was known as the "father of the revolution" and after he wrote, Age of Reason, christians ostrasized him. Many of the founders were absolutely against organized religion as they found it to be detrimental to the principles of reason. Continued.
Are you responding to something specific, something of relevance?
"Many of the founders were atheist, agnostic or deist"
Let me pretend this is something relevant in the context of this vid; maybe you will direct "us" to some more comprehensive study or at least article, which is discussing this issue in a greater depth (e.g. how many were they, what lives did they live, what exactly were their positions on different issues, etc.).
Yea... Im all for the principles of reason. Some of these principles are telling me that there may be quite a black lash coming from all that Arab Spring potentially leading (at least in part) to an Arab Winter.
The United States was never founded on christians values. Many of the founders were atheist, agnostic or deist. The christian clergy in fact went against Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine was known as the "father of the revolution" and after he wrote, Age of Reason, christians ostrasized him. Many of the founders were absolutely against organized religion as they found it to be detrimental to the principles of reason. Continued.
@raverdeath100 No they are not, Western Ideals are based on elightenment ideals developed in the 17th century. But yes the Libyans are free to choose what system they want no matter how foolish and cruel.
"but yes the Libyans are free to choose what system they want no matter how foolish and cruel"
Perhaps... However, I dont think we should be assisting them if they choose the foolish path. It may well happen that "we" will be bombing them soon again.
@IndignantSkeptic another one who fires from the hip! sharia is really irrelavant. what is relevant is what started the spring in the first place, the internet and freedom. these people have just fought a war. do you think they will be totally cowed by a few conservative clerics? think long term. it took all the original democratic nations about 100-150 years to develop. it will probably be quicker for the libyans, but they've started the process. we should just help from afar.
@1:15 People should be free to have relations with whatever consenting adults they want. A man shouldn't have to ask his wife's "permission" to do that, like this moron suggests. The real issue of contention for me is that women wouldn't have that freedom under the proposed system.
We can't denounce Sharia and then, in the same breath, expect foreign governments to enshrine our own Western, oppressive, Christian values into force of law. It's the very definition of hypocrisy.
@mordinvan You think I didn't do that already? Google "bigamy jail". Read results 3 and 5. Did you not notice these?
For the second time, this isn't about sex; this is about the state enforcing how many people you can marry through force of law and penalty of imprisonment. These laws are a result of Christianity, got that? Now go back to school.
The time of dictators are past and i think we will begin to see a sort of an islamic democracy kicking in. While it may not be as "free" as in the western countries, i believe that in time they will catch up :)
RIP Gaddafi, better to be ruled by a dick who can be killed and then by a system which can't. Well at least the west took the oil, now they can wallow in their sharia-ruled sand pit. My concern is the possible disruption caused by Islamic vs non-Islamic nations in Africa, which could be cause for conflict. Thats the last thing Africa needs.
Who gives a shit if they want polygamy, who does it harm. It shouldn't be under the purview of the state in the first place. It's the west that has this backwards with too much state interference. Just have to take care that the women have a choice, a real choice without social or family stigma or forced marriages.
Libya is a political military and foreign policy disaster.
we all know what happened the last time islamist got their hands to thousands of stringer like missiles, 1000 soviet helicopters and airplanes were hit in combat.
Insurgencies and terrorists will be supplied from Libyan missile and rpg stockpile for decades.
By some estimates there already find there way to Gaza strip.
Wait until the Libyan oil money start kicking in. The first countries to be destabilized will be Egypt, and Tunisia...
@AmetReloads of population 100 millions either through state financing activities of Libya or "business activities" along similar lines the emirates of Arabian peninsula have been doing for decades.
Of course regression to islamist authoritarians, means a new immigration wave towards Europe from Egypt and the Maghreb.
First it will be the educated , upper middle class which holds together ...
@AmetReloads ...what ever pretense of an economy and organizational structure exists in those countries, trying of course to escape the new authoritarian islamic menace.
Upon there departure and the inevitable chaos that will follow(in countries that already cant feed their populations) additional millions from the uneducated ,uncivilized uber religious masses will be departing for Europe too.
The Best nightmare scenario the money could have bought for European interests.
@TomValedro "Divine laws" are a vile brainfart from the minds of superstitious people. Let the wind carry them away, that they may bother our noses no more.
I'd be surprised if the vast majority of Libyans want Sharia Law implemented, although I could be wrong.
I've been saying for a while now--those Libyan rebels are very suspicious types. I never trusted them. Not that they were as bad as Gaddaffi, but I still am not sold on them. They have been caught already doing horrendous things (they sodomized Gaddaffi with a knife!).
@NewUser21111 The new Libyan Government is far from moderate. Theyve already been filmed removing the heads of anyone that opposes them. Go to FederalJack and see for yourself what theyre all about.
CNN is out to out Fox "News," Fox "News." This whole Libya other throw is an international media coup. . .what a sad, sad joke US news organizations are. . .
Dammit, why can't religion just die already? You'd think that by the 21st century we could stop having our lives controlled by fairy tales. Fuck you Libya, I take back cheering for you.
Although i dont approve of sharia law, or any laws backed by religious scripture, i still say that if thats how they want it to be, than thats how it is. When you have a population that is religious and they have never had a real separation of church\mosque and state, they get this. An islamic democracy.. as i see it, it may be no different than the "religious" constitutions of england and norway for an example.
@sensur1 "An islamic democracy.. as i see it, it may be no different than the "religious" constitutions of england and norway for an example."
I don't think you grasp the status of Sharia. It literally is claimed to be Allah's divine commands to humanity. You simply don't vote about matters that are covered by that, as doing so would literally equate to sending yourself to Hell. Consequently, "Islamic democracy" will always be a sad parody of democracy.
@sensur1 That said, I'm not surprised either, and this kind of outcome is of course why the west has preferred dictators in power in many muslim countries. I'm unsure what they're thinking now. Maybe they're hoping to destabilize the entire muslim world to get some peace and quiet from international terrorism.
Frankly, i think many (including the media) is too obsessed with Islam in islamic countries. Just because it has a religious constitution does not mean that the country will become a breeding ground for terrorism. As long as the democractic process is carried out, i dont care what constitution they have. Societal change must happen in slow incremental steps. I believe that with time, we will see more liberty and well-being in the country IF the democracy can function with elections.
I see, so a constitution which says women are worth 1/2 of mean don't trouble you? Or that a husband can legally rape his wife is of no concern. Glad to know where you stand, so I can make sure it's nowhere near me. I wouldn't want to get dirty.
As i've said earlier, i dont support sharia law. But the libyans are free to make whatever constitution they like. I expect that we will see a "watered down" sharia. As womens rights are relatively high in Libya i highly doubt that women will be declared 1\2 the worth of a man and the legalization of rape. If the country truly commits to democracy i expect that the womens rights already achieved in Libya wont be removed.
women will now have less rights as people. and the same laws will be in place. This is why we shouldn't mess with outher countries. and more so when people are uneducated about what good gaddaffi to his own country (we all know the bad things) But never any of the good things
Wait, the West is concerned about the Libya legalizing polgyamy? Their ahead of us in that regard, polygamy shouldn't even be outlawed here, its hardly the worst aspect of a theocratic state.
it allways starts off as moderate
al3xxxxx 2 months ago
she stupid dont know what she is talking about
101zwuen 3 months ago
SHARIA IS THE ONLY FORM OF GOVERTMENT THAT WONT BREAK LIKE DEMOCRACY
djkhaled412 3 months ago
Just don't embrace the filthy and greedy evil possessed western swines.. Jesus won't.. its forbidden for us Muslims to associate ourselves with them too..
mohalishaf 3 months ago
stupid muzzies.. go to Saudi Arabia .. if you want sharia
Green Libya Forever!!
RIP COL GADDAFI
DarkprinX2500 3 months ago
@DarkprinX2500 Stupid kentuckian fuck. go wish your country green america. stupid fuck
djkhaled412 3 months ago
Poor Gaddafi. One of the major reasons for the revolt were that many people were fed up with Gaddafi allowing Africans from poor nations work in his nation. Gaddafi was Pan-African and wanted to Unify Africa, which can be proven since he was the leader of the AU for years.
Conservatives have just conquered Libya, and the freedom of Socialism is dead. No longer will the poor of Libya be equal to the upperclasses.
Long live Gaddafi! Long live Socialism! Long live a United African State!
havee3333333 3 months ago
Libya, despite having an excentric dictator was really succesful, had good finances and could pay for their citizens wellbeing.
Let's see what happens now... how many years until this moderate country becomes a debtridden fanatical shithole?
HerrKnitler 3 months ago
The total population of Libya was 6,461,000 people.
An 85% MAJORITY fully supported a Green Libya.
Of the remaining 15% MINORITY (969,000) apathetic, disaffected and/or disgruntled – how many were actually ultra-conservative and/or fanatical?
There were ONLY 15-20,000 (so-called) ‘rebels’ (many shipped in from other countries).
By what ‘right’ does a small MINORITY (of ‘fanatical extremists’ & ‘OUTSIDERS’) seek to dominate and control the VAST MAJORITY - by violent and aggressive force?!
ForeignPerson1 4 months ago
It's now "MINORITY Rule" in Libya.
(approx.) 20,000 fanatical, extremist Mercenaries have just viciously 'imposed' themselves on the vast MAJORITY of Libyan People (a total of 6.4 MILLION!) against their collective will, by brutal FORCE (with the help of 20 western nations’ military) and MURDERED all its leaders and over 100,000 civilians!
And now someone has the gall / audacity / chutzpah to call this ‘foreign INVASION’ and brutal ‘OCCUPATION’ a ‘democracy’?!!
It will NEVER be ‘legitimate’!
ForeignPerson1 4 months ago
Like sheikh imran hosein have said" This is all planned by the rothschilds. The destruction of the arabs will come soon.
People type ' arab revolution was predicted back in 2003' you will be amazed!!
greatfile 4 months ago
@greatfile
Not the Rothchilds again... However, if that plan (whoever is behind it) comes true, I will surely put "them" on a pedestal! (And its not about Arabs, but Mahoundians.)
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
the same will happen to tunisia and egypt !
the arabian revolution was not a revolution for more freedom it was a islamic revolution for putting islam as ruler !
the nato is a puppet of the U.N
and the U.N. is controlled by Muslims !
U.N. = NAZI ISLAMIC PARTY !!!
xTemplar1 4 months ago 2
7th century here they come.
kat393939 4 months ago
See this is what NATO shouldn't have gotten involved. What fucking difference does it make? These people are too stupid to understand that embracing religion will never lead to freedom. We should only help secular movements, committed to democracy and free expression overthrow their government. Otherwise fuck it. Let them have at each other.
Newenlightenmentnow 4 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow the problem is that religious people are willing to use violence to get what they want whereas non-religious people prefer to avoid danger. this is because religious people think they will go to heaven if they die whereas non-religious people think that nobody goes to heaven. this is one of the main reasons why religious people are in power in so many places in the world, and the only way non-religious people can get into power is by pretending to be one of the religious.
IndignantSkeptic 4 months ago
@IndignantSkeptic Yeah but it's not always true. Pat Tillman was an atheist and a soldier. He had the opportunity to avoid service and had an NFL contract. He signed up for the Rangers. He was not afraid to die. We need more people like that on our team. I'm one of them. I think a world without religion is something worth dieing for.
Newenlightenmentnow 4 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow there are exceptions to rules sometimes but i was talking generally. i'm curious why you are willing to die to get rid of religion. i want to get rid of religion so we can live. i think you would be afraid of dying if you knew what a scientist said could happen soon.
IndignantSkeptic 4 months ago
@IndignantSkeptic I want to get rid of religion because it causes unnecessary suffering. The issues of stem cells, the right to contraceptive, the right of women to control their own bodies are clear issues. Religions take the wrong side because their magic book tells them to. I blame religion for humanity's lack of scientific progress. Just imagine where we'd be if the dark ages had never existed.
Newenlightenmentnow 4 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow hahaha you are talking about the graph that shows up when you type "dark ages progress" in google images. yeah, religious people seem to be against happiness. when i heard religious people were called fundies i didn't realize it was referring to fundamentalism; i thought it was referring to the fact they seem to be trying to kill fun. i wonder whether you know who Dr. Aubrey de Grey is. btw i'm being watched by shockofgod too.
IndignantSkeptic 4 months ago
@IndignantSkeptic LOL, yeah, well that's also true about the fundies. They also are anti-fun. No sex, no drinking. I agree with Sam Harris in that the reason for banning marijuana are purely religious. Pot gives people some of the same spiritual feelings that people get with religion, so it's a competitor. I never heard of Dr. Aubrey de Grey. i'm trying to read all of the four horsemen books first. I will add Dr. de Grey to my reading list though. Fuck ShockofGod. Censoring prick
Newenlightenmentnow 4 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow wow, if you hate religion now then wait till you hear what Dr. Aubrey de Grey has to say. don't read his book unless you really love books because i find them so boring personally. just watch some videos of him on youtube.
IndignantSkeptic 4 months ago
Ha ha Whoops.
danschaoticmind 4 months ago
What did you expect? The rebels were Muzzies.
Mosixman 4 months ago
@Mosixman
"The rebels were Muzzies"
And apparently "very special" Muzzies at that.
Asiantribune (March 17, 2011)
Libyan rebellion has radical Islamist fervor: Benghazi link to Islamic militancy:U.S. Military Document Reveals
"“Libyans were more fired up to travel to Iraq to kill Americans than anyone else in the Arabic-speaking world,” Andrew Exum, a counterinsurgency specialist and former Army Ranger noted in a blog posting recently."
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
oh dear, one step forward two steps back......back to 600 AD they go.
kram83au 4 months ago
religious people should not be allowed to govern. they are the sort of people that would think that Harry Potter movies are documentaries. if people refuse to face reality then they should be automatically disqualified from making decisions about reality.
IndignantSkeptic 4 months ago
hey libyans, we didn't help you get rid of a tyrant so that you could install your own tyranny.
looks like we may have made a big mistake here and chosen the wrong side.
IndignantSkeptic 4 months ago
What a heart-wrenching failure it would be to see a people rise up against an oppressor, only to get down on their knees again! I have hope that Libyans will put their freedom before faith.
thalohalo 4 months ago
thanks for the upload!
TalenaIchimaru 4 months ago
Sharia will ensure that Libya will go to shit and remain there. Hopefully they will know better.
Intse 4 months ago
I know Christianity isn't really much better than Islam, but I would take living in a Christian country any day over living in a country with these savages.
GingerDemarque 4 months ago
Here is a couple of quotes from Jefferson:
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
kat393939 4 months ago
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The United States was never founded on christians values. Many of the founders were atheist, agnostic or deist. The christian clergy in fact went against Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine was known as the "father of the revolution" and after he wrote, Age of Reason, christians ostrasized him. Many of the founders were absolutely against organized religion as they found it to be detrimental to the principles of reason. Continued.
kat393939 4 months ago
lulz, typical savages
MrFakeGangster 4 months ago
its book written by men to control weak minded men
lp000028 4 months ago
So basically we've bombed into power a bunch of religo-fruitloops.....
*** facepalm ***
maxfm83 4 months ago
Animals torturing and killing animals, in order to enact laws of a primative disgusting religion. The women of Libya will surely be enjoying their new rights and freedoms. Anyone that thought there was actually a side worth cheering for in this revolution is very naive.
cvanunen 4 months ago
the Lbyans are free to choose whatever system they want. isn't the west's system supposedly based on " christian values "?
raverdeath100 4 months ago
@raverdeath100
"isnt the wests system supposedly based on "christian values""
What matters more, polemics or results?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@Wrath0fKhan
The United States was never founded on christians values. Many of the founders were atheist, agnostic or deist. The christian clergy in fact went against Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine was known as the "father of the revolution" and after he wrote, Age of Reason, christians ostrasized him. Many of the founders were absolutely against organized religion as they found it to be detrimental to the principles of reason. Continued.
kat393939 4 months ago
@kat393939
"The US was never founded on christian values"
Are you responding to something specific, something of relevance?
"Many of the founders were atheist, agnostic or deist"
Let me pretend this is something relevant in the context of this vid; maybe you will direct "us" to some more comprehensive study or at least article, which is discussing this issue in a greater depth (e.g. how many were they, what lives did they live, what exactly were their positions on different issues, etc.).
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@kat393939
"principles of reason"
Yea... Im all for the principles of reason. Some of these principles are telling me that there may be quite a black lash coming from all that Arab Spring potentially leading (at least in part) to an Arab Winter.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
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@Wrath0fKhan
The United States was never founded on christians values. Many of the founders were atheist, agnostic or deist. The christian clergy in fact went against Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine was known as the "father of the revolution" and after he wrote, Age of Reason, christians ostrasized him. Many of the founders were absolutely against organized religion as they found it to be detrimental to the principles of reason. Continued.
kat393939 4 months ago
@raverdeath100
No, systems based on christian values reigned during the dark ages. They are based on secular values from the enlightenment.
mordinvan 4 months ago
@raverdeath100 No they are not, Western Ideals are based on elightenment ideals developed in the 17th century. But yes the Libyans are free to choose what system they want no matter how foolish and cruel.
slicingwater 4 months ago
@slicingwater
"but yes the Libyans are free to choose what system they want no matter how foolish and cruel"
Perhaps... However, I dont think we should be assisting them if they choose the foolish path. It may well happen that "we" will be bombing them soon again.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@raverdeath100 the reason muslims choose sharia is because they are told if they don't then they will be severely punished.
IndignantSkeptic 4 months ago
@IndignantSkeptic another one who fires from the hip! sharia is really irrelavant. what is relevant is what started the spring in the first place, the internet and freedom. these people have just fought a war. do you think they will be totally cowed by a few conservative clerics? think long term. it took all the original democratic nations about 100-150 years to develop. it will probably be quicker for the libyans, but they've started the process. we should just help from afar.
raverdeath100 4 months ago
Sharia? Why is everyone talking about my x-girlfriend??
tek87 4 months ago
@tek87 I don't know why, but i found this comment hilarious.
TheAtheistFuture 4 months ago
They're more concerned with polygamy than what's going to happen to women in general?
Polterguist 4 months ago
@1:15 People should be free to have relations with whatever consenting adults they want. A man shouldn't have to ask his wife's "permission" to do that, like this moron suggests. The real issue of contention for me is that women wouldn't have that freedom under the proposed system.
We can't denounce Sharia and then, in the same breath, expect foreign governments to enshrine our own Western, oppressive, Christian values into force of law. It's the very definition of hypocrisy.
mrjimbles84 4 months ago
@mrjimbles84
"Western, oppressive, Christian values "
Such as?
Most western values have nothing to do with the bible, or the christian religion except coincidentally.
mordinvan 4 months ago 2
@mordinvan Such as enforcement of monogamy under rule of law. Did you even read my comment?
mrjimbles84 4 months ago
@mrjimbles84
so when was the last time you saw couples thrown in jail for cheating on each other in Canada, or the united states?
mordinvan 4 months ago
@mordinvan I'm not talking about cheating. And there's more to the west than North America, you mug.
Go to google. Type in "bigamy jail". Hit enter. Voila.
The number of times I've posted something completely rational on youtube and gotten into an argument because some kid can't do reading comprehension.
mrjimbles84 4 months ago
@mrjimbles84
Look up that topic yourself, most people in jail for it are there because they fucked minors.
The state doesn't care who you have sex with, only who you claim to be married too.
mordinvan 4 months ago
@mordinvan You think I didn't do that already? Google "bigamy jail". Read results 3 and 5. Did you not notice these?
For the second time, this isn't about sex; this is about the state enforcing how many people you can marry through force of law and penalty of imprisonment. These laws are a result of Christianity, got that? Now go back to school.
mrjimbles84 4 months ago
The time of dictators are past and i think we will begin to see a sort of an islamic democracy kicking in. While it may not be as "free" as in the western countries, i believe that in time they will catch up :)
sensur1 4 months ago
RIP Gaddafi, better to be ruled by a dick who can be killed and then by a system which can't. Well at least the west took the oil, now they can wallow in their sharia-ruled sand pit. My concern is the possible disruption caused by Islamic vs non-Islamic nations in Africa, which could be cause for conflict. Thats the last thing Africa needs.
GayByProxy 4 months ago
I was really hoping for something good to come out of this. :(
kaballmo 4 months ago
Who gives a shit if they want polygamy, who does it harm. It shouldn't be under the purview of the state in the first place. It's the west that has this backwards with too much state interference. Just have to take care that the women have a choice, a real choice without social or family stigma or forced marriages.
ShoutingQuietly 4 months ago
looks like the bombing will have to be stepped up now that the dictators are gone.
IndignantSkeptic 4 months ago
The west will miss Gaddafi in a few months/years.
jlmdfnbo 4 months ago
islam is a barbaric political ideology, - it didn't even belong in the 7th. centuryAD.
mohammad was a mass-murdering, lying, thieving, CHILD-RAPIST, and islam was his sole invention.
WHAT could you expect from a piece of shit like mohammad, - only something EVIL and VICIOUS.
it puts all the power in the hands of "religious" leaders.
I use the word religious reluctantly, because islam is not a real religion.
zakirnaikmuzzyPIG 4 months ago
i sort of miss gaddafi.....
zenoparodie 4 months ago
Libya is a political military and foreign policy disaster.
we all know what happened the last time islamist got their hands to thousands of stringer like missiles, 1000 soviet helicopters and airplanes were hit in combat.
Insurgencies and terrorists will be supplied from Libyan missile and rpg stockpile for decades.
By some estimates there already find there way to Gaza strip.
Wait until the Libyan oil money start kicking in. The first countries to be destabilized will be Egypt, and Tunisia...
AmetReloads 4 months ago
@AmetReloads of population 100 millions either through state financing activities of Libya or "business activities" along similar lines the emirates of Arabian peninsula have been doing for decades.
Of course regression to islamist authoritarians, means a new immigration wave towards Europe from Egypt and the Maghreb.
First it will be the educated , upper middle class which holds together ...
AmetReloads 4 months ago
@AmetReloads ...what ever pretense of an economy and organizational structure exists in those countries, trying of course to escape the new authoritarian islamic menace.
Upon there departure and the inevitable chaos that will follow(in countries that already cant feed their populations) additional millions from the uneducated ,uncivilized uber religious masses will be departing for Europe too.
The Best nightmare scenario the money could have bought for European interests.
AmetReloads 4 months ago
Man, religions are so friggin stupid.
Laudrengen 4 months ago
well, they have chosen a different path from the rest of the world. i say lt them drown in their own feces.
topperheartramada 4 months ago
with my last breath, islam, i spit at thee
utrapzab 4 months ago
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I really doubt a majority of Libyans want Saudi-Arabian or Iranian style theocracy.
This report is garbage, this is the important question: what style of state that will be formed out of Libya? I fucking hate newsmedia
Keinlicht 4 months ago
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Sharia is the divine law of god.
TomValedro 4 months ago
@TomValedro
"Sharia is the divine law of god"
Such an utterance can come only from a crackpot, right?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago 28
@Wrath0fKhan There are no gods. It is a law of man.
matthewtaylorbrown 4 months ago
@matthewtaylorbrown
"There are no gods. It is a law of man"
What a bright one you are!
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
@TomValedro and the 'law of god' was and will always be, written by men.
MrSystematica 4 months ago 4
@TomValedro No Sharia is the law of a 7th century child molester.
Newenlightenmentnow 4 months ago 9
@TomValedro can you prove that statement or at least back it up with some logic or evidence?
EpicurusIVXX 4 months ago 2
@TomValedro "Divine laws" are a vile brainfart from the minds of superstitious people. Let the wind carry them away, that they may bother our noses no more.
Rabboleth 4 months ago 2
women will be recognized in libya as equals! even if the good people of the world have to put guns in the faces of arrogant fools!
JeremiahMT 4 months ago
I'd be surprised if the vast majority of Libyans want Sharia Law implemented, although I could be wrong.
I've been saying for a while now--those Libyan rebels are very suspicious types. I never trusted them. Not that they were as bad as Gaddaffi, but I still am not sold on them. They have been caught already doing horrendous things (they sodomized Gaddaffi with a knife!).
mojorhythm 4 months ago
So basically things went from bad to increadibly stupid and worse?
DarkBunnyLord 4 months ago 2
Liberate your women so that civilization may follow.
violetninja 4 months ago
Yet more evidence that Arabs haven't evolved since the Bronze-Age.
Reporter: "Some are concerned about how Sharia law will affect women's rights."
Lybian Ambassador: "Women? Rights? You talk as if women are people."
SinnFein4ever 4 months ago 4
Moderate Muslims want Sharia Law?? C'mon people what did you expect? Islam can't be reformed.
NewUser21111 4 months ago 23
@NewUser21111 Indeed!!
ahmology 4 months ago
@NewUser21111 The new Libyan Government is far from moderate. Theyve already been filmed removing the heads of anyone that opposes them. Go to FederalJack and see for yourself what theyre all about.
ttgator2003 4 months ago
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CNN is out to out Fox "News," Fox "News." This whole Libya other throw is an international media coup. . .what a sad, sad joke US news organizations are. . .
0gods 4 months ago
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0gods 4 months ago
Dammit, why can't religion just die already? You'd think that by the 21st century we could stop having our lives controlled by fairy tales. Fuck you Libya, I take back cheering for you.
Enlightenedopinion92 4 months ago
fail
ludicer 4 months ago
Although i dont approve of sharia law, or any laws backed by religious scripture, i still say that if thats how they want it to be, than thats how it is. When you have a population that is religious and they have never had a real separation of church\mosque and state, they get this. An islamic democracy.. as i see it, it may be no different than the "religious" constitutions of england and norway for an example.
Either way.. i am not surprised by this.
sensur1 4 months ago
@sensur1 "An islamic democracy.. as i see it, it may be no different than the "religious" constitutions of england and norway for an example."
I don't think you grasp the status of Sharia. It literally is claimed to be Allah's divine commands to humanity. You simply don't vote about matters that are covered by that, as doing so would literally equate to sending yourself to Hell. Consequently, "Islamic democracy" will always be a sad parody of democracy.
Gnomefro 4 months ago
@sensur1 That said, I'm not surprised either, and this kind of outcome is of course why the west has preferred dictators in power in many muslim countries. I'm unsure what they're thinking now. Maybe they're hoping to destabilize the entire muslim world to get some peace and quiet from international terrorism.
Gnomefro 4 months ago
@Gnomefro
Frankly, i think many (including the media) is too obsessed with Islam in islamic countries. Just because it has a religious constitution does not mean that the country will become a breeding ground for terrorism. As long as the democractic process is carried out, i dont care what constitution they have. Societal change must happen in slow incremental steps. I believe that with time, we will see more liberty and well-being in the country IF the democracy can function with elections.
sensur1 4 months ago
@sensur1
I see, so a constitution which says women are worth 1/2 of mean don't trouble you? Or that a husband can legally rape his wife is of no concern. Glad to know where you stand, so I can make sure it's nowhere near me. I wouldn't want to get dirty.
mordinvan 4 months ago
@mordinvan
As i've said earlier, i dont support sharia law. But the libyans are free to make whatever constitution they like. I expect that we will see a "watered down" sharia. As womens rights are relatively high in Libya i highly doubt that women will be declared 1\2 the worth of a man and the legalization of rape. If the country truly commits to democracy i expect that the womens rights already achieved in Libya wont be removed.
sensur1 4 months ago
What happened to them wanting freedom and rights ? ... well thats fucked now.
NefariousVirtuoso88 4 months ago
religion fucks up everything... again
unamaxify 4 months ago
This is no democracy! This whole internal conflict was a joke and those that died for it was for nothing!
Gr33kElite 4 months ago
Sounds fine to me. As long as women can vote civil rights will soon follow.
DeePhlat 4 months ago
HAHAHA so much for "democracy" more like more dictatorship.
ComputerGamerify 4 months ago
Has anyone else been having problems with videos being muted when you try to watch them?
BelialAndar 4 months ago
women will now have less rights as people. and the same laws will be in place. This is why we shouldn't mess with outher countries. and more so when people are uneducated about what good gaddaffi to his own country (we all know the bad things) But never any of the good things
BenFosterism 4 months ago
dirka dirka muhammed jihad
whitelighter27club 4 months ago 5
Its like in Serbia 12 years ago, Revolution - FAIL. We need real rEvolution
1GTX1 4 months ago
The United States and Britain have always supported radical Islam over independent nationalism, this should not come as a surprise.
Arkinight 4 months ago
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S.978 take a look this law that trying to be pass !!!
parsonman05 4 months ago
@bxjam85
Only if it's a constitutional Monarchy where the Monarch has almost no real power
Zephyrbal 4 months ago
Wait, the West is concerned about the Libya legalizing polgyamy? Their ahead of us in that regard, polygamy shouldn't even be outlawed here, its hardly the worst aspect of a theocratic state.
redcommander27 4 months ago
let them have as many wives as they want
MrChuzzles 4 months ago
And the point?
gunnerfan87 4 months ago
Polygamy. Me likey. =)
IauthenticI 4 months ago
fail revolution
SmallFries01 4 months ago 2
It was still a step (a huge one at that) to get rid of Gadahfi anyway you look at it.
SorryStamin 4 months ago
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These people are their own worst enemies.
detersgumig 4 months ago
The audio does not seem to be working for this video
walkingmap 4 months ago
@walkingmap
"audio"
Seems to work for me.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago 4
the more things change the more they stay the same
frootofaloom 4 months ago 17
That was to be expected...
KumaKonda 4 months ago 3