@TheBlueOfficeChair specifically one small verse in Leviticus that says simply that a "man shall not sleep with a man as he does a women" My issue is that we ignore other small one verse laws, but no one seems to care, but with that one people suddenly do
Being gay, if it is a sin should be included in original sin, since your born gay, that is if the church still endorses original sin, cause they seem to have scrapped the idea of limbo.
And I don't think you should love murders and rapists they made the choice to do those horrible things, gay people didn't choose their sexuality, just as you didn't choose to be straight.
@worbat no when that statement is said in the bible that was before adam and eve beat the apple and fell into sin gen 1:27 . homosexuality is a sin just like lieing and drunkiness and ect... i cant agree more wih eddie on this subject everything he said was on point. and i will admit as the church we have all handled this sin in the wrong matter so i personaly apologize for this.. sonya
Cherry-picking from scriptures is quite the hypocrisy you know. If you really intend on literally follow Leviticus, you're going to have to: stone you unruly kids to death (Lev.20:9), don't allow tattooed folks into church (Lev.19:28), don't allow folks who eat pork into church (Lev. 11:7), don't allow folks who eat shrimp in to church (Lev. 11:7), and many more to follow. Oh and don't forget to kick out Gay Christians out of church as stated in Lev. 18:22.
Romans 1 is about Temple Prostitutes that are mostly Homosexuals that were carefully selected to serve as worship masters of Greco/Roman deities. The Greeks and Romans did anything they could to appease or get the attention of their gods. So Homosexual individuals serving as Temple Prostitutes performed sexual rituals on Heterosexuals. And most Heterosexuals perhaps didn't enjoy it, but it was one of many ways to seek divine intervention. Hence, the "unnatural" relations between Gays & Straights
its great that youre part of something to support the homosexual community.
BUT, when you say that being gay is a sin you are filling someones head with self hate. you're taking away the courage and confidence they could have and that is just as bad as hating someone. would you feel upset with yourself and try to change yourself if i said being male or being heterosexual was a sin? you can say no right now, but if it were true you would be hurt for being insulted for something you cant change
@CREATURESnCLUES Dude, being male is a sin to feminists. Being a True follow the Bible to the T Christian is a sin to liberals. And being American is a sin to some extremist Moslem groups. I'm not offended, because I'm not in any of those groups. If a person is gay then they aren't a Christian, and if they aren't Christian why should it hurt their feelings to hear what I say? I admit that I sin too, it's part of who I am, but rather than cry about it I work hard to become a better Christian.
@TheBlueOfficeChair Being male is not a sin to feminists. Feminism revolves around equal rights for males and females, because women are equal to men. The other way around, men are equal to women.
And I disagee on the point that if you're not Christian, you're not hurt if someone's tells you you're going to hell and that they find it justified. That the way you've chosen to live your life is gonna make you burn forever and that people wish that on you, hurts whether you believe in hell or not.
I am who I am you are who you are. You take the bible as a literal translation correct? So do you also take the same stance on leprosy? Just wondering. I'm bi, I'm a Buddhist and I love your videos. Keep up the great work ^.^
@TheBlueOfficeChair I am not the go to person for the bible but doesn't it read somewhere along the lines of Gay and lepers have been exiled because they where sinful and bad? <- taking liberty to the words because I can't remember it exactly. Maybe that's just in the old testament? Not sure.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
(24)Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. (27b)Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
@deathcabforpaige Right, but it's dangerous to reference the Torah on the internet. Most people don't understand the difference between the Old and New Covenant and they start asking if you're allowed to eat Shellfish and stuff like that. It's an old and dumb argument but people keep it up. :/ what can you do right?
First of all, not all Christians believe the same thing because there are many religions within Christianity. I don't know about others, but the Catholic church has said that it is perfectly fine for a person to be gay, and that where the sin comes in is the actual lifestyle choice. I personally disagree with that, I think everyone deserves to have loving and fulfilling romantic relationships with whomever they choose. I just wanted to clarify.
@LittleIrishCaitlin No, there are not different religions within Christianity. Christianity is a single religion with several different denominations. The Catholic Church does not condemn Homosexual desires, you're right. But it does say that to act on them is a sin. I'm gunna have to agree with that, though I'm not Catholic, I respect them as fellow Christians who withhold the Nicene Creed.
I'm not really sure that people realize how lonely it can be, being gay....feeling like you are broken, being shunned by the world, merely for being honest with yourself.....and everyone seems to think that this is choice, but why would a person choose to enter a world of hurt.....choosing a life alone simply because it goes against god, or common thought.....being gay is a huge struggle, that I'm not sure any heterosexual could possibly understand or relate to
@donathiamus You really think that heterosexuals aren't lonely. People are lonely, Life is hurtful and everyone feels left out. Whether or not your gay is not the issue. The issue is: people in general are cruel to people in specific. and the self pity thing, everyone feels at one time or another. I can't believe that you're naive enough to think that life is unfair to you. Think of it this way. You have internet access. many people don't even have electricity.
@TheBlueOfficeChair sorry....I retract my statement, sometimes it just feels very difficult to adjust to being told that any love that you may ever find is a sin, and that who I am attracted to is a choice....I am by no means naïve to assume that if I were in a third world country right now that I could be dead, tortured, jailed, or given less rights simply for being me, as well as anyone considered to be an outcast...thankfully I am in Canada....anyways, sorry to have wasted your time
@donathiamus Don't apologize to him. I'm not homosexual and I can't even imagine how it must feel to be told that you're living in complete sin. No one has the right to point fingers and no one has the right to judge but one; God. That is, if you believe in God. God is not spiteful, God does not hate, God loves us all equally, so I fail to see how it is that homosexuality is a sin punishable by eternity in hell. Don't apologize for speaking your mind, we're humans, that's what our voices are for
@ashjosjd13 Every one is living in sin. It is impossible not to live in sin. We have a fallen Carnal nature and we can't be perfect. It's not Homosexuality that sends people to hell. It's rejecting what God asks of you and thinking you know better. God does love us, but there are ways we can disappoint. To say, "No, God I know better. I can sleep with men." IS essentially just shoving what God asks you to do aside because you want sex.
@donathiamus Please don't apologize. If you truly feel this way (Which you do ;) Then you have no need to. Like I said in the video, I'm not gunna hate because you're gay, but I gave my reasons for why I disagree with you. Be honest, so that one day if someone you respect and trust sees a flaw in your beliefs that he/she can gently and lovingly correct you. I understand that that person is not me, I'm only here to answer questions, not to persuade.
Eddie, you are amazing. Thank you for openly discussing your beliefs. I'm also Christian (Baptist to be specific) and have many gay friends. Just because they are gay does not make them bad people and I love them so much. However, I still don't agree with their life style. To me, it is still a sin. However, I am a sinner too and firmly believe that no sin is greater than another. Jesus never wanted us to hate anyone. In fact, he told us to love everyone.
thank you so much. you described that perfectly. my youth leader once said, "hate the sin, not the person" and that's how i try to live. glad i'm not alone :)
Ohkay, so i do have a question. I have been raised in a christian family....but i always have to question this one issue!
God gave us free will, but with free will he gave us the right to chose sin. If he creates people, and he says he will love every one of his creations, then why are men and women rejected so to say, when it comes to homosexuals. I have known people who belive in EVERYTHING about it, but this issue, and if he forgives sins, then wouldnt he be able to forgive this?
@misspollyjane and i fully understand that. Im not saying we should all go out and sin, im just saying its kind of a hard subject for me to understand. Im not trying to start a fight, im just saying what i feel about it. I think that its impossible to live up to Gods expectations, because no one can be perfect, but to be told you are going to hell because of one decision is odd to me, i guess you can say. Other than that i completely agree with everything he is saying :)
i think that's the thing. God said "hey be with me" and we said "no." so how can we suddenly expect that when we die God's going to be all "oh, yeah no you disowned me before and told me you didn't wanna be with me but now you get to be with me." we get to choose if we wanna be with Him and when we die we get our choice. Hell is simply a place without God. And you're right, we can't live up to perfection. Luckily, if we accept Jesus, we don't have to.
@morgannenicole Who says he can't forgive this? In the BIble there is only one unforgivable sin, and while it's a little hard to understand, the Idea is that if you reject Jesus and don't believe that He died for our sins then you are committing the unforgivable sin. However it's not a one time thing that you commit and then you're doomed to hell. It's a lifestyle. Homosexuals and gossipers and lots of people have sinful lifestyles that are exactly against what God intended humans for....
@morgannenicole ....And if you reject that and don't think Jesus is good enough to know what's best for you (I.E. not giving into the temptations that homosexuals suffer from) then you are rejecting Jesus and committing that sin. It's not permanent unless you never repent from it. It's not that they are tempted that makes them evil. It's that they reject God and his word to follow that temptation.
Hey I think you've gotten the whole old/new testament covenant thing a little twisted. Yes, there are a bunch of rules that God sets down in the old testament such as not eating certain foods to keep the Jews, His chosen people, separate so that they may serve Him better. However when Jesus came, he fulfilled the old covenant and said that all people could hear the word of God and have a relationship. It stopped being about the rules and started being more about therelationship
haha sorry not finished. The eating different foods thing, God does away with in acts and you can read about it in acts 10:9-16. But that wasn't really the crux of your question. There's also a passage in Romans 1:18 on (ie. new testament, new covenant) which talks about homosexuality in the current sense. But again, what your getting at is the fact that homosexuality is taken as more of a sin as say being envious or greedy.
And the truth is that we're all sinful. All have fallen short of the glory of God. And I think what Mr Officechair up here is trying to get at is that Christian's aren't as against homosexual people as the media or some individuals make them out to be. And the truth is whether you've murdered or lied, or are gay, it doesn't matter, you still have a broken relationship with God that needs to be fixed.
@JustJaywalkable Yes I cac, there is no hypocrisy at all. Part of becoming a Christian is admitting to sin. I admit to my sins and confess to God and to other Christians that I have done wrong, and I try my best not to do it again. And many of the "sanitary laws" I'll call them became null and void after Jesus. Like eating shellfish and pork. It's the moral or "inward laws" of the Torah that are held by Christians
Ok I agree with you half the way, BUT I understand what you are saying, as you've showed religions and culture and all that stuff are the ones that form our opinions about this subjects, I personally take this on a very ethical way -Gay people are cool and still humans, that the society isn't used to them is other thing (keeping in mind that in past times being gay was really normal) I also believe that the human is made not born but I respect the others opinions too :)
someone very important to me who has been one of the steadiest pillars and supporters of my walk with Christ came out of the closet a few months ago. tell HIM homosexuality isn't a choice.
I still never understood how people could be born gay. They certainly did not inherit it. I believe that the reason there are more homosexuals today is because society is beginning to accept it more. Not saying it is a fad, but if you look up how many homosexuals there are compared to previous time periods I'm positive that their is a higher percentage of homosexuals in today then ever before. It's all in the culture.
@alexwiard Well yes, some are just doing it for the fad. But most really are attracted to the same sex. You have to remember in the past people would be (figuratively) crucified if they were gay. Now, not so much. So these temptations aren't frowned upon anymore and more and more people come out in the open about it.
I'm not necessarily calling it a fad, however because society accepts open sexuality and many more children are realizing this at an early age they how beginning to see that there is more than one choice. In the great debate of Nature Vs. Nurture I believe that Nurture takes the place of homosexuals.
People don't choose to be gay. They don't just feel attraction toward a person of the same sex and convince themselves that they're gay; they usually spend years trying to pretend they're straight and make themselves straight, but they can't, because that's not who they are. Why would someone choose to be hated, oppressed, and treated as less than human?
And even if they did choose it, can you please explain to me why it is wrong to love someone who happens to share your gender?
@IOpenAtTheClosee It is wrong for two reasons, The first, if you believe, which I do, that God created us, than you must accept the role given you. Homosexuality is not what God intended for our bodies and therefore He doesn't want us using them that way. The second, There are somethings that God will ask us to do as a test of faith and loyalty. He will ask us to go through hardships or maybe even trust that he'll help us do what we know to be impossible. We must trust that he knows best.
@TheBlueOfficeChair If God created us, then He created gay people. I assume He did that for a reason, and I don't think He wants them to suffer because of who they are. And I don't really see how the "hardships" thing is relevant... Are you saying gay people are supposed to just suffer through their homosexuality and pretend to be straight because God is giving them a hardship to deal with? And how do we know what God does and does not intend?
I'm a Christian too, and I believe that being born either Gay, Bi, or Straight is okay. God doesn't make mistakes. So for this phoney hiding his private hate behind his smile to actually shove his personal beliefs on other Christians who don't believe like the way he wants it, is ungodly. That's equivalent to saying, "I believe Heterosexuals are sinners and wrong like murderers & rapists....but i love them anyway" That's called deceitful hypocrisy
@jusitke07 Eddie probably used a bad analogy in comparing a homosexual to a rapist, but the idea is that being homosexual is no different than any other sin, according to the Bible. Everyone, regardless of what they have done in life, is separated from God by their sin; and only through giving their lives to Christ are they able to get past that sin. Homosexuality is wrong, but I still love those who practice it because without God I'd be no better off.
@TheNatedogg56 Well if you say then that, "Homosexuality is wrong, but I still love those who practice it" then I suppose some others can get away with saying, "Heterosexuality is wrong, but I still love those who practice it"
@jusitke07 If someone truly believes that, fine (though I'd like to ask them whether their parents were wrong in being heterosexual). That's not the point: what I was saying is that he wasn't being facetious or rude in comparing homosexuality to other sins, he was point out that it is simply a sin like any other. And since, as a Christian, he is told to love every person, he loves these people even though he believes what they are doing is wrong.
@jusitke07 I didn't mean that. I said you were accusing the blue office chair of hiding hate behind his statements. He doesn't hate them. He disagrees with their choices. Its not hypocritical.
@jusitke07 I'm sorry, but no you are not a Christian. Nothing you just said to me was Biblical. You may very well be religious, but your god is not my God. Tame you tongue and learn the religion you profess before you say another word.
Well, guess what? You're not the Ultimate Judge here. And because I'm confident that you're not God, you get no apologies from me, just empathy from one born sinner to another born sinner :)
The comparison to not liking gossiping is a good way to put it, for those who don't understand how you can both not agree and not like it and equally like those who do it.
To be honest I completely disagree with you as far as homosexuality being wrong it concerned, mainly because you can't hold a person accountable for something they do not choose, but I don't want to get into this argument here, enough people will be disagreeing with you for you to be getting on with, I imagine.
If being gay is not a choice, you can't choose who you love, you just happen to be that Barry down the road is the man for you. However it says that we where all created in HIS (gods) image, that includes gays.
On the other hand, if being gay is a choice, and is thus free will, one of the things stressed in the bible is that god gave us free will. (Garden of eden.) Thus if being gay was a sin in gods eyes then he would be removing free will.
The actual part in the bible was written by man, and not by god. Thus meaning that the passage has to be applied to the time, during which it was considered wrong by all to be gay. (the Romans had underground orgies of men... lovely) Also seeming that is was written by man, the true meaning meant by god could of been misinterpreted, as shown by western cultures believing Jesus is white. The only solid rules we have from god are the 10 commandments.
@worbat As a Christian one must believe the Bible to be the Inspired Word of God. That everything is meant to be there for a reason. You can't just pick and choose like so many do. And I don't know why you bring up the Romans. Genesis was recorded by Moses thousands of years before the Roman Empire.
Obviously it was because you got genesis and romans thing muddled.
Free will to follow one god then obey him with a "cold mechanical Obedience" is not free will, as you would be sacrificing that free will Inspired word or not, the only true laws from God are the 10 commandments, This is also reinforced by Jesus at some point I can't recall where. Being gay is not a sin, due to the fact that love is an uncontrollable feeling Part 2
@worbat Not at all, You're just not going deep enough with your theology. You're talking about free will. That's important. One of God's greatest gifts. He gave it to us so we could Choose to follow Him. He could have made us obey Him at every turn, but there is no relationship there. It's a cold mechanical Obedience, not obedience because of Love. And God wants us to love Him. To Choose to love Him. To choose to follow him when it's hard, even if it means not being gay.
@TheBlueOfficeChair Part 2 Just like your love for God, if we truly are created in his image, which you believe,"True, it's just that my religion (which I happen to believe without a doubt to be correct) " Then you are condemning part of god.
I'd be interested to know your theory on creation if you haven't done a video on it already.
I apologies if this is also messed up and funky, this is also not meant to be seen as hostile.
@worbat You keep using the phrase Image of God. That is true, the fact that we have logic and reason as opposed to animals who don't, that's what it means. It does not mean that we can do no wrong. Sin is in our nature but having logic, we are able to decide to follow that nature or to control it. There are many other commandments and requests that God puts in the Bible. The greatest commandment isn't even one of the ten.
@worbat no when that statement is said in the bible that was before adam and eve beat the apple and fell into sin gen 1:27 . homosexuality is a sin just like lieing and drunkiness and ect... i cant agree more wih eddie on this subject everything he said was on point. and i will admit as the church we have all handled this sin in the wrong matter so i personaly apologize for this.. sonya
the bible also says that alcohol and shellfish are sinful, but if i had to guess, you are probably not instantly opposed to shellfish because jesus said its wrong. why should christians focus on the things that seperate us (like how sinful homosexuality is) when all that energy could be devoted to something constructive like ending poverty? do conservatives like poverty?
@hobo8675309 Jesus never said Shellfish was wrong. Read Acts 10 if you really want to know about it. And the Bible is against drunkenness not alcohol. And for your last question, I'm guessing not, but you should probably ask a conservative.
And if acting on your homosexuality is a sin, are you saying we should deny homosexuals the opportunity to find love? Because in one of your comments you state that the only extremes that are ok are Extreme faith in God and Extreme Love. Well, are you denying that extreme love for those who are homosexual? Would you deny extreme love, the kind that prevails over homophobic tendencies and notions, such as this one?
I really feel like you and I could have a very interesting conversation on this.
@Tokkemon It also comes from God's people. Though it's two different loves being talked about. Read my reply to the initial comment and you;ll understand more clearly
@ashjosjd13 You're right. A very interesting conversation. But for now, the confusion is just due to the English language. Romantic love is eros. (Physical/Romantic). That's what you're talking about. I'm talking about Agape (unconditional Love). That's the only good kind of Extreme love. Romantic love is a gift. (One of my favorites actually) But not a necessity.
OH and in North America the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) listed homosexuality as a mental disorder until about the mid-90's. Do you believe this to be true? Do you think people who are homosexual have a mental disorder? I'd love to hear your response/opinion.
I think I lost a lot of respect for you with this video. I don't believe being gay is a choice. I have a friend who is ashamed of the fact that he likes men, and lived his life in pain thinking that he was a bad person for something he couldn't control. Who would choose that life? Now, I can respect your opinions and I like the fact that you say "Being Christian, I believe" instead of "being gay is a sin" However, I am Catholic and although I'm supposed to believe that homosexuality is a sin...
@ashjosjd13 I don't believe that, because I use my own brain to make decisions and for you to tell me that I don't know my religion or beliefs because of that, well to took some offence. By the way, I was always taught growing up, that BEING homosexual is not the sin. I was taught that gay MARRIAGE is a sin. And I'm sure that's not what the bible says, but the wonderful thing about being Christian or Catholic and HUMAN, is that we can make up our own minds and our own opinions and guess what..
@ashjosjd13 I'm sorry to say, you're not a Christian. You aren't submitting yourself to God's authority, you're making up your own mind about who you think God is and making a new god. You can't pick and choose. You will have to act on faith, even if you don't know why something is wrong, that God knows best. Don't let your pride get in the way.
@ashjosjd13 A line should be crossed. Being a Christian is believing that Jesus died for our sins and then came back to life. It's also growing in your relationship with God, to start to understand why he let that happen in the first place. The way you do that is by reading the Bible, Praying, and Submitting to what the Bible says. Don't make excuses to justify something that the Bible clearly states as a sin. If you do believe that it's ok to gay then you need to rethink your religion.
@ashjosjd13 In the last comment I finished kinda funny. I'm not saying I want you to rethink your religion. I want you to agree with Christianity completely but if you don't how then are you a Christian?
@TheBlueOfficeChair Eddie, I'm done here, I'm going to be the better person and not tell you that what you are thinking is wrong, as you just did to me. Thank you very much.
I'm Catholic, you have no right to tell me otherwise.
@TheBlueOfficeChair Eddie, I'm done here, I'm going to be the better person and not tell you that what you are thinking is wrong, as you just did to me. Thank you very much.
I'm Catholic, you have no right to tell me otherwise.
I believe that people who are gay are called to the same thing that people who are called to be single are. Our society has placed sex on such a pedestal, when really is should be something sacred for marriage. From God's perceptive, a gay person, just like a single person is called to honour God by leaving sex inside marriage and using the fantastic gift of singleness to glorify God.
@DONOTWANTplease No, it's a temptation. As long as you don't let your mind dwell. Like infatuation with women that you can not have, you must flee from it. Mentally and Physically
you cant flee from a sexual orientation. you can hide it but why should people change who they are to make YOU happy. so, does that mean you can change your height because i think your short, and being short is a sin? (just an example) no, it doesnt
it's uncontrolable and if it were, do you think people would want to subject themselves to this hatred and being called a sin? believe it or not being gay is because of the way your brain functions and not a devil in your head.
@CREATURESnCLUES Well, I've subjected myself to hatred from all of you guys over something I truly believe and you guys think is crap (Christianity). On the other hand you guys are being subjected to a video that you chose to watch and are offended over something you truly believe and I think is crap (Being born gay). So, my thing is, how do you not understand how I feel? Are you that oblivious to other people?
You say that if you’re a Christian who thinks being gay is okay, you don't know all the rules about Christianity, but there are many ignored rules in The Bible. It’s arrogant to say Christians who are okay with homosexuality don't "know the rules." Everyone reads the Bible differently, and Christians who disagree with your version aren’t ignorant. I say this as someone who has read the whole Bible. I just don't think you can claim to know all the rules when it’s so open to interpretation.
@howtospellkaitie The Bible is not open to interpretation. If that's how you read the Bible you need to read it again. With other Christians. WIth people who have studied or have been taught. I'm not going to lie, there are issues in Christianity that are grey, but that is very deep theology: IE Baptism, Calvinism Vs. Arminianism, Ect.. Most of which I'm still learning and some of which I will never be able to claim an answer. But the Bible is most certainly not open to interpretation.
I agree with you on most of what you've said here. However, I don't think that being gay is a choice (acting on it is, but that's different). It doesn't make any sense to me that someone would willfully choose something that would earn them as much hatred as being gay does. And I'm sure there are homosexuals out there who do not want to be what they are, but no amount of choosing is going to change it. I really don't think that happens.
The problem is, shaving is a sin as well. So is growing two different crops on one field, wearing clothes made of two different sources, etc. There are so many sins looked over. I am a Christian, but I am also against picking and choosing. I don't feel that we have a right to decide which ones can stay and which can go.
I also believe homosexuality to be a genetic imbalance of hormones.
No one would choose to be hated.
I also believe gays should be able to marry if they so wish.
I don't particularly agree with you bit it's really nice to hear someone who can voice their opinion without getting angry and offended. Keep being awesome:)
I love hearing your responses. Since my parents could probably be classified as homophobes, it's great hearing a Christian standpoint that doesn't go to the extreme.
Though as I disagree with the idea of being gay is a sinful act, I really like how you emphasis that fact that you as a Christian still love homosexuals, along with anyone else who sins. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
i have heard many sides of this and i agree with your choice about it being a sin but also to love them. and as for being born gay are you really born gay orjust become gay
being gay IS part of who you are whether you believe it or not. it's just like being male or female is part of who you are. People who are homosexual would probably give anything in the world to be straight, so they could be accepted by society. But they can't, it's just the way they were born. Just like i was born straight and male, neither were my choices but it worked out better for me.
@Ausbos11 Our Society doesn't reject them. Except for on TV (Where the gay kid is always either comic relief or the persecuted kid) I've never seen any kid get chastised for being gay excessively. Obviously I've seen homophobes but honestly people are a lot meaner to loose girls than they are to gay kids.
But look, I've not seen it all. I believe you that there are people who are just cruel to gay kids for being gay. But you've got to admit that they aren't pariahs anymore. I'm not trying to be abrasive or to shoot you down. I want to know what you have to say. It's hard to get that across through text so I thought I'd just say it. :)
I always thought that it was the act of "lying with another man" that was the sin. As in, you could be gay, and not be gay. You might like guys, but you would try to hold it back, and not commit a sin. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought. Great video, great thoughts.
@jayry55 That's a good way of looking at it. Being gay is the being tempted to, as the Bible says, "Lie with a man." and the sin is in acting upon it. I don't doubt that some guys are more prone to it than others. I believe that strongly actually. But God doesn't tempt us past what we can't handle either, so they are no more the victims than anyone else
Being gay isn't a choice. It's like you being born straight. You didn't like men and women, and choose women- you were just born that way. God created gay people,and loves them just as much as straight people,so why is it a sin? Sexuality is on the same terms as race, and gender. It's something one is born with,and shouldn't be judged for. Regardless, they are still human. I believe that when the bible was written, there were too few gays that were open, making it appear different,and unnatural.
@Sydnerd85 I've said this in some of my other responses as well but I don't believe that being gay is inherent. I believe that some men are attracted to other men, but that doesn't make sleeping with them or marrying them or dating them ok. Like me being tempted to sleep with women. They are all off limits unless it's my wife.
@HelloKitty167 I think it is a choice. The issue is that a lot of kids who wind up gay don't realize this and so the second they're tempted to be with another guy or girl they believe they're gay and then society reinforces it and makes it concrete.
@TheBlueOfficeChair But if it is a choice, then why did I most definitely not choose to be gay. I did not choose to be attracted to other men, just as you did not choose to be attracted to women. If it were a choice, I would be straight, as I tried and "chose" to be for years.
Also, I doubt they'd make it a /requirement/ to admit one is gay if DADT is repealed. One can still choose to stay in the closet if they want to stay protected from homophobia.
@GallusSapien 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Read the whole chapter for context. Jesus didn't say this, but part of being a Christian is believing that ALL the Bible is the inspired word of God and therefore doctrinal. I don't believe that being gay is part of who you are. I believe that there are those who are more tempted than others to be attracted towards men, and it's like their cross to bear. It's like some people are addicted to sex and as a Christian they can't have sex before marriage
Thats my point. Being a christian doesnt mean that you must believe the particular lump of books that made it into the cannon. Gnostic ebionite doesetic and marcionite christians for example dont necessarily believe in the validity of the jumble of books that comprise what became known as the bible (many would be opposed)
@GallusSapien well as far as i have deducted all humans have a sin (gay's black's and everyone alike) and that is the original sin from adam since he ate from that appletree or whatever and since we are all descendent's of his we all have that sin and the only way to get rid of it is to apparently accept jesus as ur lord (actually dunno why i wrote all this but now i have lol)
I just want to know why... I just want to know this.
Why is being gay wrong in Christianity?
yiotos 1 year ago
@yiotos Because the Bible says so. We believe that it goes against how God created us.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair specifically one small verse in Leviticus that says simply that a "man shall not sleep with a man as he does a women" My issue is that we ignore other small one verse laws, but no one seems to care, but with that one people suddenly do
joninacann 1 year ago
Being gay, if it is a sin should be included in original sin, since your born gay, that is if the church still endorses original sin, cause they seem to have scrapped the idea of limbo.
And I don't think you should love murders and rapists they made the choice to do those horrible things, gay people didn't choose their sexuality, just as you didn't choose to be straight.
UTubeTulip 1 year ago
@worbat no when that statement is said in the bible that was before adam and eve beat the apple and fell into sin gen 1:27 . homosexuality is a sin just like lieing and drunkiness and ect... i cant agree more wih eddie on this subject everything he said was on point. and i will admit as the church we have all handled this sin in the wrong matter so i personaly apologize for this.. sonya
omnilove1 1 year ago
Cherry-picking from scriptures is quite the hypocrisy you know. If you really intend on literally follow Leviticus, you're going to have to: stone you unruly kids to death (Lev.20:9), don't allow tattooed folks into church (Lev.19:28), don't allow folks who eat pork into church (Lev. 11:7), don't allow folks who eat shrimp in to church (Lev. 11:7), and many more to follow. Oh and don't forget to kick out Gay Christians out of church as stated in Lev. 18:22.
jusitke07 1 year ago
Romans 1 is about Temple Prostitutes that are mostly Homosexuals that were carefully selected to serve as worship masters of Greco/Roman deities. The Greeks and Romans did anything they could to appease or get the attention of their gods. So Homosexual individuals serving as Temple Prostitutes performed sexual rituals on Heterosexuals. And most Heterosexuals perhaps didn't enjoy it, but it was one of many ways to seek divine intervention. Hence, the "unnatural" relations between Gays & Straights
jusitke07 1 year ago
its great that youre part of something to support the homosexual community.
BUT, when you say that being gay is a sin you are filling someones head with self hate. you're taking away the courage and confidence they could have and that is just as bad as hating someone. would you feel upset with yourself and try to change yourself if i said being male or being heterosexual was a sin? you can say no right now, but if it were true you would be hurt for being insulted for something you cant change
CREATURESnCLUES 1 year ago
@CREATURESnCLUES Dude, being male is a sin to feminists. Being a True follow the Bible to the T Christian is a sin to liberals. And being American is a sin to some extremist Moslem groups. I'm not offended, because I'm not in any of those groups. If a person is gay then they aren't a Christian, and if they aren't Christian why should it hurt their feelings to hear what I say? I admit that I sin too, it's part of who I am, but rather than cry about it I work hard to become a better Christian.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair Being male is not a sin to feminists. Feminism revolves around equal rights for males and females, because women are equal to men. The other way around, men are equal to women.
And I disagee on the point that if you're not Christian, you're not hurt if someone's tells you you're going to hell and that they find it justified. That the way you've chosen to live your life is gonna make you burn forever and that people wish that on you, hurts whether you believe in hell or not.
BerendBotjeZoeken 1 year ago
I am who I am you are who you are. You take the bible as a literal translation correct? So do you also take the same stance on leprosy? Just wondering. I'm bi, I'm a Buddhist and I love your videos. Keep up the great work ^.^
FableofLife 1 year ago
@FableofLife YOu mean the Jewish stance on Leprosy? No I'm a Christian
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair I am not the go to person for the bible but doesn't it read somewhere along the lines of Gay and lepers have been exiled because they where sinful and bad? <- taking liberty to the words because I can't remember it exactly. Maybe that's just in the old testament? Not sure.
FableofLife 1 year ago
i don't i could have put that better eddie. :D
Aaalxndr 1 year ago
Cut and clear from the bible, homosexuality is wrong.
Lev. 20:13
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Romans 1:24 & 27b
(24)Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. (27b)Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
deathcabforpaige 1 year ago
Hate the sin, not the sinner.
Love them for who they are -- a child of God -- not for the C H O I C E they made.
deathcabforpaige 1 year ago
@deathcabforpaige you cant choose to be homosexual
CREATURESnCLUES 1 year ago
@deathcabforpaige Right, but it's dangerous to reference the Torah on the internet. Most people don't understand the difference between the Old and New Covenant and they start asking if you're allowed to eat Shellfish and stuff like that. It's an old and dumb argument but people keep it up. :/ what can you do right?
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
The military is Now Cursed by God !
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
First of all, not all Christians believe the same thing because there are many religions within Christianity. I don't know about others, but the Catholic church has said that it is perfectly fine for a person to be gay, and that where the sin comes in is the actual lifestyle choice. I personally disagree with that, I think everyone deserves to have loving and fulfilling romantic relationships with whomever they choose. I just wanted to clarify.
LittleIrishCaitlin 1 year ago
@LittleIrishCaitlin No, there are not different religions within Christianity. Christianity is a single religion with several different denominations. The Catholic Church does not condemn Homosexual desires, you're right. But it does say that to act on them is a sin. I'm gunna have to agree with that, though I'm not Catholic, I respect them as fellow Christians who withhold the Nicene Creed.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
agreed 100% with everything you said in this video.
fecklessman 1 year ago
I'm going to hell. :)
DONOTWANTplease 1 year ago
I'm not really sure that people realize how lonely it can be, being gay....feeling like you are broken, being shunned by the world, merely for being honest with yourself.....and everyone seems to think that this is choice, but why would a person choose to enter a world of hurt.....choosing a life alone simply because it goes against god, or common thought.....being gay is a huge struggle, that I'm not sure any heterosexual could possibly understand or relate to
sorry I rant
donathiamus 1 year ago
@donathiamus You really think that heterosexuals aren't lonely. People are lonely, Life is hurtful and everyone feels left out. Whether or not your gay is not the issue. The issue is: people in general are cruel to people in specific. and the self pity thing, everyone feels at one time or another. I can't believe that you're naive enough to think that life is unfair to you. Think of it this way. You have internet access. many people don't even have electricity.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair sorry....I retract my statement, sometimes it just feels very difficult to adjust to being told that any love that you may ever find is a sin, and that who I am attracted to is a choice....I am by no means naïve to assume that if I were in a third world country right now that I could be dead, tortured, jailed, or given less rights simply for being me, as well as anyone considered to be an outcast...thankfully I am in Canada....anyways, sorry to have wasted your time
donathiamus 1 year ago
@donathiamus Don't apologize to him. I'm not homosexual and I can't even imagine how it must feel to be told that you're living in complete sin. No one has the right to point fingers and no one has the right to judge but one; God. That is, if you believe in God. God is not spiteful, God does not hate, God loves us all equally, so I fail to see how it is that homosexuality is a sin punishable by eternity in hell. Don't apologize for speaking your mind, we're humans, that's what our voices are for
ashjosjd13 1 year ago
@ashjosjd13 Every one is living in sin. It is impossible not to live in sin. We have a fallen Carnal nature and we can't be perfect. It's not Homosexuality that sends people to hell. It's rejecting what God asks of you and thinking you know better. God does love us, but there are ways we can disappoint. To say, "No, God I know better. I can sleep with men." IS essentially just shoving what God asks you to do aside because you want sex.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@donathiamus Please don't apologize. If you truly feel this way (Which you do ;) Then you have no need to. Like I said in the video, I'm not gunna hate because you're gay, but I gave my reasons for why I disagree with you. Be honest, so that one day if someone you respect and trust sees a flaw in your beliefs that he/she can gently and lovingly correct you. I understand that that person is not me, I'm only here to answer questions, not to persuade.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
Eddie, you are amazing. Thank you for openly discussing your beliefs. I'm also Christian (Baptist to be specific) and have many gay friends. Just because they are gay does not make them bad people and I love them so much. However, I still don't agree with their life style. To me, it is still a sin. However, I am a sinner too and firmly believe that no sin is greater than another. Jesus never wanted us to hate anyone. In fact, he told us to love everyone.
trendhater73 1 year ago
thank you so much. you described that perfectly. my youth leader once said, "hate the sin, not the person" and that's how i try to live. glad i'm not alone :)
sharkbait231 1 year ago
Ohkay, so i do have a question. I have been raised in a christian family....but i always have to question this one issue!
God gave us free will, but with free will he gave us the right to chose sin. If he creates people, and he says he will love every one of his creations, then why are men and women rejected so to say, when it comes to homosexuals. I have known people who belive in EVERYTHING about it, but this issue, and if he forgives sins, then wouldnt he be able to forgive this?
morgannenicole 1 year ago
@morgannenicole
of course he can forgive this. but that's not a reason to be sinful.
misspollyjane 1 year ago
@misspollyjane and i fully understand that. Im not saying we should all go out and sin, im just saying its kind of a hard subject for me to understand. Im not trying to start a fight, im just saying what i feel about it. I think that its impossible to live up to Gods expectations, because no one can be perfect, but to be told you are going to hell because of one decision is odd to me, i guess you can say. Other than that i completely agree with everything he is saying :)
morgannenicole 1 year ago
@morgannenicole
oh yeah no it's all good :)
i think that's the thing. God said "hey be with me" and we said "no." so how can we suddenly expect that when we die God's going to be all "oh, yeah no you disowned me before and told me you didn't wanna be with me but now you get to be with me." we get to choose if we wanna be with Him and when we die we get our choice. Hell is simply a place without God. And you're right, we can't live up to perfection. Luckily, if we accept Jesus, we don't have to.
misspollyjane 1 year ago
@morgannenicole Who says he can't forgive this? In the BIble there is only one unforgivable sin, and while it's a little hard to understand, the Idea is that if you reject Jesus and don't believe that He died for our sins then you are committing the unforgivable sin. However it's not a one time thing that you commit and then you're doomed to hell. It's a lifestyle. Homosexuals and gossipers and lots of people have sinful lifestyles that are exactly against what God intended humans for....
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@morgannenicole ....And if you reject that and don't think Jesus is good enough to know what's best for you (I.E. not giving into the temptations that homosexuals suffer from) then you are rejecting Jesus and committing that sin. It's not permanent unless you never repent from it. It's not that they are tempted that makes them evil. It's that they reject God and his word to follow that temptation.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
I LOVE YOU.
i love hearing this... on the internet...
it's true, this world is becoming 70% liberal and i do not like it...
but. that's life.
yay christianity (:
layray210 1 year ago
I respect your opinions. My parents feel the same way. I come from a Christian family.
However, I can't help but consider the hipocrisy of the 'homosexuality is a sin' thing.
I believe that there's a passage in Leviticus about homosexuality being a sin, but that same passage lists many different things as sin.
Divorce.
Eating shellfish.
Scantily clad women.
Cheating.
I just find it unfair that people are so against homosexuality, but aren't as harsh about other things.
Can you clarify?
JustJaywalkable 1 year ago
@JustJaywalkable
Hey I think you've gotten the whole old/new testament covenant thing a little twisted. Yes, there are a bunch of rules that God sets down in the old testament such as not eating certain foods to keep the Jews, His chosen people, separate so that they may serve Him better. However when Jesus came, he fulfilled the old covenant and said that all people could hear the word of God and have a relationship. It stopped being about the rules and started being more about therelationship
misspollyjane 1 year ago
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misspollyjane 1 year ago
@JustJaywalkable
haha sorry not finished. The eating different foods thing, God does away with in acts and you can read about it in acts 10:9-16. But that wasn't really the crux of your question. There's also a passage in Romans 1:18 on (ie. new testament, new covenant) which talks about homosexuality in the current sense. But again, what your getting at is the fact that homosexuality is taken as more of a sin as say being envious or greedy.
misspollyjane 1 year ago
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misspollyjane 1 year ago
@JustJaywalkable
And the truth is that we're all sinful. All have fallen short of the glory of God. And I think what Mr Officechair up here is trying to get at is that Christian's aren't as against homosexual people as the media or some individuals make them out to be. And the truth is whether you've murdered or lied, or are gay, it doesn't matter, you still have a broken relationship with God that needs to be fixed.
haha sorry for the massive reply.
misspollyjane 1 year ago
@misspollyjane I've never read the entire Bible, just bits and pieces of the New & Old Testament.
Massive replies are appreciated.
Thank you. (:
JustJaywalkable 1 year ago
@JustJaywalkable
I haven't read it all either and i've been a Christian for a good 19 years so I don't blame you!
try grabbing a gospel (mathew mark luke or john) they'll help you to understand it all a lot better!
there's also books which can help with this stuff, i can recommend a few if you'd like!
i hope i haven't seemed at all patronising!
:)
misspollyjane 1 year ago
@JustJaywalkable Yes I cac, there is no hypocrisy at all. Part of becoming a Christian is admitting to sin. I admit to my sins and confess to God and to other Christians that I have done wrong, and I try my best not to do it again. And many of the "sanitary laws" I'll call them became null and void after Jesus. Like eating shellfish and pork. It's the moral or "inward laws" of the Torah that are held by Christians
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair Hm. I'm going to look into this. Thank you. (:
JustJaywalkable 1 year ago
Ok I agree with you half the way, BUT I understand what you are saying, as you've showed religions and culture and all that stuff are the ones that form our opinions about this subjects, I personally take this on a very ethical way -Gay people are cool and still humans, that the society isn't used to them is other thing (keeping in mind that in past times being gay was really normal) I also believe that the human is made not born but I respect the others opinions too :)
kArLA98991 1 year ago
someone very important to me who has been one of the steadiest pillars and supporters of my walk with Christ came out of the closet a few months ago. tell HIM homosexuality isn't a choice.
rustedsatellites 1 year ago
Great Video :D
I still never understood how people could be born gay. They certainly did not inherit it. I believe that the reason there are more homosexuals today is because society is beginning to accept it more. Not saying it is a fad, but if you look up how many homosexuals there are compared to previous time periods I'm positive that their is a higher percentage of homosexuals in today then ever before. It's all in the culture.
alexwiard 1 year ago
@alexwiard Well yes, some are just doing it for the fad. But most really are attracted to the same sex. You have to remember in the past people would be (figuratively) crucified if they were gay. Now, not so much. So these temptations aren't frowned upon anymore and more and more people come out in the open about it.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair
I'm not necessarily calling it a fad, however because society accepts open sexuality and many more children are realizing this at an early age they how beginning to see that there is more than one choice. In the great debate of Nature Vs. Nurture I believe that Nurture takes the place of homosexuals.
alexwiard 1 year ago
People don't choose to be gay. They don't just feel attraction toward a person of the same sex and convince themselves that they're gay; they usually spend years trying to pretend they're straight and make themselves straight, but they can't, because that's not who they are. Why would someone choose to be hated, oppressed, and treated as less than human?
And even if they did choose it, can you please explain to me why it is wrong to love someone who happens to share your gender?
IOpenAtTheClosee 1 year ago 9
@IOpenAtTheClosee It is wrong for two reasons, The first, if you believe, which I do, that God created us, than you must accept the role given you. Homosexuality is not what God intended for our bodies and therefore He doesn't want us using them that way. The second, There are somethings that God will ask us to do as a test of faith and loyalty. He will ask us to go through hardships or maybe even trust that he'll help us do what we know to be impossible. We must trust that he knows best.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair If God created us, then He created gay people. I assume He did that for a reason, and I don't think He wants them to suffer because of who they are. And I don't really see how the "hardships" thing is relevant... Are you saying gay people are supposed to just suffer through their homosexuality and pretend to be straight because God is giving them a hardship to deal with? And how do we know what God does and does not intend?
IOpenAtTheClosee 1 year ago
I'm a Christian too, and I believe that being born either Gay, Bi, or Straight is okay. God doesn't make mistakes. So for this phoney hiding his private hate behind his smile to actually shove his personal beliefs on other Christians who don't believe like the way he wants it, is ungodly. That's equivalent to saying, "I believe Heterosexuals are sinners and wrong like murderers & rapists....but i love them anyway" That's called deceitful hypocrisy
jusitke07 1 year ago
@jusitke07 Eddie probably used a bad analogy in comparing a homosexual to a rapist, but the idea is that being homosexual is no different than any other sin, according to the Bible. Everyone, regardless of what they have done in life, is separated from God by their sin; and only through giving their lives to Christ are they able to get past that sin. Homosexuality is wrong, but I still love those who practice it because without God I'd be no better off.
TheNatedogg56 1 year ago
@TheNatedogg56 Well if you say then that, "Homosexuality is wrong, but I still love those who practice it" then I suppose some others can get away with saying, "Heterosexuality is wrong, but I still love those who practice it"
jusitke07 1 year ago
@jusitke07 If someone truly believes that, fine (though I'd like to ask them whether their parents were wrong in being heterosexual). That's not the point: what I was saying is that he wasn't being facetious or rude in comparing homosexuality to other sins, he was point out that it is simply a sin like any other. And since, as a Christian, he is told to love every person, he loves these people even though he believes what they are doing is wrong.
TheNatedogg56 1 year ago
@jusitke07 True, it's just that my religion (which I happen to believe without a doubt to be correct) doesn't happen to believe that.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@jusitke07 You can love someone without agreeing with their choices.
thedoctorbob7 1 year ago
@thedoctorbob7 Oh I say this with brotherly love. What makes you think I said it with hate?
jusitke07 1 year ago
@jusitke07 I didn't mean that. I said you were accusing the blue office chair of hiding hate behind his statements. He doesn't hate them. He disagrees with their choices. Its not hypocritical.
thedoctorbob7 1 year ago
@thedoctorbob7 being homosexual isnt a choice.
CREATURESnCLUES 1 year ago
@jusitke07 I'm sorry, but no you are not a Christian. Nothing you just said to me was Biblical. You may very well be religious, but your god is not my God. Tame you tongue and learn the religion you profess before you say another word.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair said, "I'm sorry, but no you are not a Christian"
Well, guess what? You're not the Ultimate Judge here. And because I'm confident that you're not God, you get no apologies from me, just empathy from one born sinner to another born sinner :)
jusitke07 1 year ago
The comparison to not liking gossiping is a good way to put it, for those who don't understand how you can both not agree and not like it and equally like those who do it.
To be honest I completely disagree with you as far as homosexuality being wrong it concerned, mainly because you can't hold a person accountable for something they do not choose, but I don't want to get into this argument here, enough people will be disagreeing with you for you to be getting on with, I imagine.
KadieAnneEvans 1 year ago
"You don't know the first flippin thing" :D *highlight*
JtNance21 1 year ago
If being gay is not a choice, you can't choose who you love, you just happen to be that Barry down the road is the man for you. However it says that we where all created in HIS (gods) image, that includes gays.
On the other hand, if being gay is a choice, and is thus free will, one of the things stressed in the bible is that god gave us free will. (Garden of eden.) Thus if being gay was a sin in gods eyes then he would be removing free will.
Either way, this proves being gay isn't a sin.
worbat 1 year ago 2
Part 2:
The actual part in the bible was written by man, and not by god. Thus meaning that the passage has to be applied to the time, during which it was considered wrong by all to be gay. (the Romans had underground orgies of men... lovely) Also seeming that is was written by man, the true meaning meant by god could of been misinterpreted, as shown by western cultures believing Jesus is white. The only solid rules we have from god are the 10 commandments.
worbat 1 year ago 2
@worbat As a Christian one must believe the Bible to be the Inspired Word of God. That everything is meant to be there for a reason. You can't just pick and choose like so many do. And I don't know why you bring up the Romans. Genesis was recorded by Moses thousands of years before the Roman Empire.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair
I still stand by my higgldy piggldy post.
Obviously it was because you got genesis and romans thing muddled.
Free will to follow one god then obey him with a "cold mechanical Obedience" is not free will, as you would be sacrificing that free will Inspired word or not, the only true laws from God are the 10 commandments, This is also reinforced by Jesus at some point I can't recall where. Being gay is not a sin, due to the fact that love is an uncontrollable feeling Part 2
worbat 1 year ago
@worbat Not at all, You're just not going deep enough with your theology. You're talking about free will. That's important. One of God's greatest gifts. He gave it to us so we could Choose to follow Him. He could have made us obey Him at every turn, but there is no relationship there. It's a cold mechanical Obedience, not obedience because of Love. And God wants us to love Him. To Choose to love Him. To choose to follow him when it's hard, even if it means not being gay.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair Part 2 Just like your love for God, if we truly are created in his image, which you believe,"True, it's just that my religion (which I happen to believe without a doubt to be correct) " Then you are condemning part of god.
I'd be interested to know your theory on creation if you haven't done a video on it already.
I apologies if this is also messed up and funky, this is also not meant to be seen as hostile.
PS (just to be clear I am a Christan.)
worbat 1 year ago
@worbat You keep using the phrase Image of God. That is true, the fact that we have logic and reason as opposed to animals who don't, that's what it means. It does not mean that we can do no wrong. Sin is in our nature but having logic, we are able to decide to follow that nature or to control it. There are many other commandments and requests that God puts in the Bible. The greatest commandment isn't even one of the ten.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair
The greatest commandment is "You have only one Lord and God. You must love him with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength." - Jesus.
No idea what your thinking of because that is a 10 commandment.
worbat 1 year ago
@worbat no when that statement is said in the bible that was before adam and eve beat the apple and fell into sin gen 1:27 . homosexuality is a sin just like lieing and drunkiness and ect... i cant agree more wih eddie on this subject everything he said was on point. and i will admit as the church we have all handled this sin in the wrong matter so i personaly apologize for this.. sonya
omnilove1 1 year ago
@worbat
omnilove1 1 year ago
Well put, my friend. God bless.
NoobyMac 1 year ago
the bible also says that alcohol and shellfish are sinful, but if i had to guess, you are probably not instantly opposed to shellfish because jesus said its wrong. why should christians focus on the things that seperate us (like how sinful homosexuality is) when all that energy could be devoted to something constructive like ending poverty? do conservatives like poverty?
hobo8675309 1 year ago
@hobo8675309 Jesus never said Shellfish was wrong. Read Acts 10 if you really want to know about it. And the Bible is against drunkenness not alcohol. And for your last question, I'm guessing not, but you should probably ask a conservative.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
THANK YOU.
sn4kp4k 1 year ago
And if acting on your homosexuality is a sin, are you saying we should deny homosexuals the opportunity to find love? Because in one of your comments you state that the only extremes that are ok are Extreme faith in God and Extreme Love. Well, are you denying that extreme love for those who are homosexual? Would you deny extreme love, the kind that prevails over homophobic tendencies and notions, such as this one?
I really feel like you and I could have a very interesting conversation on this.
ashjosjd13 1 year ago 2
@ashjosjd13 Extreme love doesn't come from people, it comes from God.
Tokkemon 1 year ago
@Tokkemon That's not "Extreme love"...that's deceit, and it doesn't come from God that's for sure.
ctes85 1 year ago
@Tokkemon It also comes from God's people. Though it's two different loves being talked about. Read my reply to the initial comment and you;ll understand more clearly
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@ashjosjd13 You're right. A very interesting conversation. But for now, the confusion is just due to the English language. Romantic love is eros. (Physical/Romantic). That's what you're talking about. I'm talking about Agape (unconditional Love). That's the only good kind of Extreme love. Romantic love is a gift. (One of my favorites actually) But not a necessity.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
OH and in North America the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) listed homosexuality as a mental disorder until about the mid-90's. Do you believe this to be true? Do you think people who are homosexual have a mental disorder? I'd love to hear your response/opinion.
ashjosjd13 1 year ago
@ashjosjd13 No, I don't see how there could be any question as to how I feel about this. They are people like I am. Just with different temptations
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
I think I lost a lot of respect for you with this video. I don't believe being gay is a choice. I have a friend who is ashamed of the fact that he likes men, and lived his life in pain thinking that he was a bad person for something he couldn't control. Who would choose that life? Now, I can respect your opinions and I like the fact that you say "Being Christian, I believe" instead of "being gay is a sin" However, I am Catholic and although I'm supposed to believe that homosexuality is a sin...
ashjosjd13 1 year ago
@ashjosjd13 I don't believe that, because I use my own brain to make decisions and for you to tell me that I don't know my religion or beliefs because of that, well to took some offence. By the way, I was always taught growing up, that BEING homosexual is not the sin. I was taught that gay MARRIAGE is a sin. And I'm sure that's not what the bible says, but the wonderful thing about being Christian or Catholic and HUMAN, is that we can make up our own minds and our own opinions and guess what..
ashjosjd13 1 year ago
@ashjosjd13 God will still love us.
ashjosjd13 1 year ago
@ashjosjd13 I'm sorry to say, you're not a Christian. You aren't submitting yourself to God's authority, you're making up your own mind about who you think God is and making a new god. You can't pick and choose. You will have to act on faith, even if you don't know why something is wrong, that God knows best. Don't let your pride get in the way.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair I think a line was just crossed here. You telling me that I'm NOT Christian.
Christian adj.
Professing belief in Jesus as Christ
Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
I'm Catholic, to be specific.
Don't get me wrong, I respect you for putting such a controversial video on YouTube, but you just crossed the line.
ashjosjd13 1 year ago
@ashjosjd13 A line should be crossed. Being a Christian is believing that Jesus died for our sins and then came back to life. It's also growing in your relationship with God, to start to understand why he let that happen in the first place. The way you do that is by reading the Bible, Praying, and Submitting to what the Bible says. Don't make excuses to justify something that the Bible clearly states as a sin. If you do believe that it's ok to gay then you need to rethink your religion.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@ashjosjd13 In the last comment I finished kinda funny. I'm not saying I want you to rethink your religion. I want you to agree with Christianity completely but if you don't how then are you a Christian?
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair Eddie, I'm done here, I'm going to be the better person and not tell you that what you are thinking is wrong, as you just did to me. Thank you very much.
I'm Catholic, you have no right to tell me otherwise.
ashjosjd13 1 year ago
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@TheBlueOfficeChair Eddie, I'm done here, I'm going to be the better person and not tell you that what you are thinking is wrong, as you just did to me. Thank you very much.
I'm Catholic, you have no right to tell me otherwise.
ashjosjd13 1 year ago
Its okay to be gay. It's okay to have sex before marriage.
DONOTWANTplease 1 year ago 2
@DONOTWANTplease No, it's not.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
this is a mega encouraging video :)
God bless
x
misspollyjane 1 year ago
If I am gay, but don't date or sleep with other men, is it still a sin?
DONOTWANTplease 1 year ago
@DONOTWANTplease
I believe that people who are gay are called to the same thing that people who are called to be single are. Our society has placed sex on such a pedestal, when really is should be something sacred for marriage. From God's perceptive, a gay person, just like a single person is called to honour God by leaving sex inside marriage and using the fantastic gift of singleness to glorify God.
So in short, no, it's not.
misspollyjane 1 year ago
@misspollyjane
oh and, marriage, from God's perspective is between a man and a woman. Just clarifying.
misspollyjane 1 year ago
@DONOTWANTplease No, it's a temptation. As long as you don't let your mind dwell. Like infatuation with women that you can not have, you must flee from it. Mentally and Physically
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair
you cant flee from a sexual orientation. you can hide it but why should people change who they are to make YOU happy. so, does that mean you can change your height because i think your short, and being short is a sin? (just an example) no, it doesnt
it's uncontrolable and if it were, do you think people would want to subject themselves to this hatred and being called a sin? believe it or not being gay is because of the way your brain functions and not a devil in your head.
CREATURESnCLUES 1 year ago
@CREATURESnCLUES Well, I've subjected myself to hatred from all of you guys over something I truly believe and you guys think is crap (Christianity). On the other hand you guys are being subjected to a video that you chose to watch and are offended over something you truly believe and I think is crap (Being born gay). So, my thing is, how do you not understand how I feel? Are you that oblivious to other people?
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
You say that if you’re a Christian who thinks being gay is okay, you don't know all the rules about Christianity, but there are many ignored rules in The Bible. It’s arrogant to say Christians who are okay with homosexuality don't "know the rules." Everyone reads the Bible differently, and Christians who disagree with your version aren’t ignorant. I say this as someone who has read the whole Bible. I just don't think you can claim to know all the rules when it’s so open to interpretation.
howtospellkaitie 1 year ago
@howtospellkaitie The Bible is not open to interpretation. If that's how you read the Bible you need to read it again. With other Christians. WIth people who have studied or have been taught. I'm not going to lie, there are issues in Christianity that are grey, but that is very deep theology: IE Baptism, Calvinism Vs. Arminianism, Ect.. Most of which I'm still learning and some of which I will never be able to claim an answer. But the Bible is most certainly not open to interpretation.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago 2
I agree with you on most of what you've said here. However, I don't think that being gay is a choice (acting on it is, but that's different). It doesn't make any sense to me that someone would willfully choose something that would earn them as much hatred as being gay does. And I'm sure there are homosexuals out there who do not want to be what they are, but no amount of choosing is going to change it. I really don't think that happens.
RandomPerson8908 1 year ago
Agreed on most accounts :]
spectrem 1 year ago
The problem is, shaving is a sin as well. So is growing two different crops on one field, wearing clothes made of two different sources, etc. There are so many sins looked over. I am a Christian, but I am also against picking and choosing. I don't feel that we have a right to decide which ones can stay and which can go.
I also believe homosexuality to be a genetic imbalance of hormones.
No one would choose to be hated.
I also believe gays should be able to marry if they so wish.
TheEuphBeast 1 year ago
I don't particularly agree with you bit it's really nice to hear someone who can voice their opinion without getting angry and offended. Keep being awesome:)
JagklikestheMacarena 1 year ago
I love hearing your responses. Since my parents could probably be classified as homophobes, it's great hearing a Christian standpoint that doesn't go to the extreme.
Amethyst11ln 1 year ago 3
@Amethyst11ln Hmmm Extremes are always dangerous. Unless it's extreme faith in God or Extreme love, there are sooo few extremes.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
Though as I disagree with the idea of being gay is a sinful act, I really like how you emphasis that fact that you as a Christian still love homosexuals, along with anyone else who sins. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
Jillillian282 1 year ago
Eddie, I'm a guy and I love you!
Of course, it's brotherly love ;D
Keep on keepin' on, man.
austinjisakson 1 year ago 3
i have heard many sides of this and i agree with your choice about it being a sin but also to love them. and as for being born gay are you really born gay orjust become gay
MrMarson123456 1 year ago
i have heard many sides of this and i agree with your choice about it being a sin but also to love them
MrMarson123456 1 year ago
being gay IS part of who you are whether you believe it or not. it's just like being male or female is part of who you are. People who are homosexual would probably give anything in the world to be straight, so they could be accepted by society. But they can't, it's just the way they were born. Just like i was born straight and male, neither were my choices but it worked out better for me.
Ausbos11 1 year ago
@Ausbos11 Our Society doesn't reject them. Except for on TV (Where the gay kid is always either comic relief or the persecuted kid) I've never seen any kid get chastised for being gay excessively. Obviously I've seen homophobes but honestly people are a lot meaner to loose girls than they are to gay kids.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
But look, I've not seen it all. I believe you that there are people who are just cruel to gay kids for being gay. But you've got to admit that they aren't pariahs anymore. I'm not trying to be abrasive or to shoot you down. I want to know what you have to say. It's hard to get that across through text so I thought I'd just say it. :)
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
I always thought that it was the act of "lying with another man" that was the sin. As in, you could be gay, and not be gay. You might like guys, but you would try to hold it back, and not commit a sin. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought. Great video, great thoughts.
jayry55 1 year ago
@jayry55 That's a good way of looking at it. Being gay is the being tempted to, as the Bible says, "Lie with a man." and the sin is in acting upon it. I don't doubt that some guys are more prone to it than others. I believe that strongly actually. But God doesn't tempt us past what we can't handle either, so they are no more the victims than anyone else
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
ummm, I love you. as a brother in Christ of course :D.
that is all :D
unForgottenindigO 1 year ago 5
Nice video! I like your thoughts on this issue.
black9897 1 year ago
Being gay isn't a choice. It's like you being born straight. You didn't like men and women, and choose women- you were just born that way. God created gay people,and loves them just as much as straight people,so why is it a sin? Sexuality is on the same terms as race, and gender. It's something one is born with,and shouldn't be judged for. Regardless, they are still human. I believe that when the bible was written, there were too few gays that were open, making it appear different,and unnatural.
Sydnerd85 1 year ago
@Sydnerd85 I've said this in some of my other responses as well but I don't believe that being gay is inherent. I believe that some men are attracted to other men, but that doesn't make sleeping with them or marrying them or dating them ok. Like me being tempted to sleep with women. They are all off limits unless it's my wife.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
but being gay isn't a choice. sinning is supposed to be a choice for humans. how is it fair that they're born sinners?
HelloKitty167 1 year ago
@HelloKitty167 I think it is a choice. The issue is that a lot of kids who wind up gay don't realize this and so the second they're tempted to be with another guy or girl they believe they're gay and then society reinforces it and makes it concrete.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair But if it is a choice, then why did I most definitely not choose to be gay. I did not choose to be attracted to other men, just as you did not choose to be attracted to women. If it were a choice, I would be straight, as I tried and "chose" to be for years.
UnnecessaryUmbleck 1 year ago
Also, I doubt they'd make it a /requirement/ to admit one is gay if DADT is repealed. One can still choose to stay in the closet if they want to stay protected from homophobia.
reinix 1 year ago
@reinix Exactly! I think in many cases it would be safe, Though in the cases when it's not it's good to have the choice.
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
I respect your opinion. It's not all stubborn and pushy about homosexuality. You justify it really well.
reinix 1 year ago
its nice to see someone on YouTube who i can agree with on issues like this.
zanegriggs 1 year ago 20
Thats what bothers me. BEING gay, the actual non-act of existing as you are is a "sin"
How do you not find such a concept disgusting? What if BEING black was a sin, would you condone that as well?
@ 22 give me one single time that jesus said that gayness was a sin, or that it was one of his rules? One verse. Anywhere ever.
GallusSapien 1 year ago
@GallusSapien 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Read the whole chapter for context. Jesus didn't say this, but part of being a Christian is believing that ALL the Bible is the inspired word of God and therefore doctrinal. I don't believe that being gay is part of who you are. I believe that there are those who are more tempted than others to be attracted towards men, and it's like their cross to bear. It's like some people are addicted to sex and as a Christian they can't have sex before marriage
TheBlueOfficeChair 1 year ago
@TheBlueOfficeChair
"jesus didnt say thi"
Thats my point. Being a christian doesnt mean that you must believe the particular lump of books that made it into the cannon. Gnostic ebionite doesetic and marcionite christians for example dont necessarily believe in the validity of the jumble of books that comprise what became known as the bible (many would be opposed)
What do you define as "who you are"?
GallusSapien 1 year ago
@GallusSapien well as far as i have deducted all humans have a sin (gay's black's and everyone alike) and that is the original sin from adam since he ate from that appletree or whatever and since we are all descendent's of his we all have that sin and the only way to get rid of it is to apparently accept jesus as ur lord (actually dunno why i wrote all this but now i have lol)
watcher1925 1 year ago