I like the fact that you guys train in t-shirts which mimicks everyday clothing.I never liked the kimono when I was learning ju-jitsu because I was costantly adjusting it.On the street you need every ounce of focus you can muster to prevail in a violent encounter.
Combat shuai jiao seems like a legitemate martial art to me judging from the abundant use and flow of strikes like uppercuts and forearms hits to the neck.You guys look like your actually hitting your opponents with the floor.
I noticed some ground submission follow-ups. Is this the often-searched-for ground fighting aspect of Chinese Martial Arts? Or is this added in from judo or something else?
@ThePsychoguy Actually, it depends on how you look at it. Shuai Chiao has been around for almost 5,000 years. It has always had the following components; Shuai, Da, Na, Ti. This means throwing, striking, joint locks, and kicking. In the military and police it was always taught that way. Out of the four main Shuai Chiao styles most of them taught this way for centuries. In th mid 1940's the Baoding style of Shuai Chiao was standardized as a sport at the Nanking Central Martial Arts University...
@slonsky42 ...It was here the sport did not include any ground techniques that everybody alludes to in Shuai Chiao. Fact of the matter is I did learn some groundwork called Dai Bu Su from Master Jeng Hsing Ping. Many of those techniques are applied in this particular vid. In addition Shuai Chiao has influenced many martial arts including the aformentiones ones that you present. Japanese Jujitsu in fact directly came from Shuai Chiao. Judo came from that. There will always be similarities....
@slonsky42 ...because many martial arts are derivatives of Shuai Chiao. So while its true that Sport shuai Chiao does not have ground fighting ,Miltary and police aspects do. Please look at Master David Lins book and you shall see a picture GM Chang on the ground doing a counter to an arm bar. With that said its not our desire to go to the ground nor is it our forte. The Chinese believe going to the ground was fighting like animals and frankly it could get you killed on the battlefield...
@slonsky42 at any rate many styles like BJJ which is basically groundfighting from Judo their emphasis is on the ground. Ours is in close fighting that is aggressive, fast and will violently take you off your feet and drive you into the ground causing further injury. Its a different concept thats all. Every martial art has something good to offer.
Hi! Shawn do you remember me? John F. From Ho Chun. I'm glad you stuck with it. You turned out Great! I think I saw you on a Harley a few years back, do you ride? I have a Harley to.
@W1ZM3 Actually, this vid shows two of my students. The big bald looking guy kind of looks like me LOL. I'm in another vid. Combat Shuai Chiao. The name rings a bell but not sure if I can put a face to it. I'm sure I would definitely know you if I saw you. Yes, I do ride a springer softail but haven't been out this year .
@W1ZM3 Yeh John now I know who you are. I didn't recognize the F. but as soon as you wrote your whole name I got it. I'm teaching my guys on Sundays from 7:30-10:30 you are more than welcome to come down.
@slonsky42 I don't know about this sunday but I'll try. Is that 7:30 in the morning? Are you looking for some new students? I might be able to help with that.
No Sport Shuai Chiao has no sacrifice throws. The school of thought behind that is you go to the ground you lose. This was changed in Nanking sometime around 1927. However that does not mean that there were never ground /sacrifice throws In Shuai Chiao. Fact of the matter is the military and police still use these types of techniques as well as joint locks that submit your opponents. These arresting techniques are called Dai bu Su. In fact Japanese jujitsu is a direct descendant of SC about 1659
How well does applying SC throws to Bagua work? (like Cheng style, based on Shuai Jiao) .
I have heard that since modern SC has a lot of emphasis on gripping the tunic (which wouldn't necessarily work in all contexts), it isn't easily transferrable to a separate, hit/clinch/throw context.
actually,Grandmaster Chang incorporated the essence of Bagua as well as Hsing i in his Shuai Chiao. Bagua movements can certainly be seen in many entrances that help spoil the balance that take you right into a throw. It is my opinion that Shuai Chiao can work in conjunction easily with any style of fighting and enhance it. With that said of course it will work in combat against anything as well. Success on both sides of the fence depends on the skill level,aggressiveness,and tenacity of fighter
as far as gripping the jacket, that is only one part of the skillset Shuai Chiao practitioners should practice. It is usually used as a tool to spoil the balance by manipulating where the body's weight is and where you can off balance it or pin a limb to the ground for a set up. It is my opinion that it is easy to use everything available to accomplish the same thing such as grabbing skin, limbs,hair,kneck etc. Actually I believe its very easy to go from clinch to throw, hit to throw etc.
Do you have any recommendations on good SC people in Beijing to train with? I'm moving there this summer for a few years to continue my Bagua (and hopefully SC ) training. I do speak some Mandarin.
I don't personally know anyone in Bejing style Shuai Jiao but if it were me going i'd want to hook up with Wang Wenyong or his circle of Shuai Jiao people. I think he is top notch. They do a different style than I practice but you can tell by the way he moves he has skill and knowledge and i'd have to say there is some Bagua hidden in there as well. Good luck...
Actually this is a good question. I will supplement timeline in an e mail to you. Sometime around 1927 at the Nanking school of martial arts sport Shuai Chiao was standardized and the ground techniques were taken out. Combat Shuai Chiao applications still have ground techniques and are seen in police and military trainings both before 1927 and after. Both Brazillian Jujitsu and Sambo have derivitave techniques in Shuai Chiao simply do to the lineage. Jeng hsing Ping in around 199o showed us ...
...us ground techniques he called Dai bu su I believe. These techniques were used mostly fo arresting techniques and included arm bars. So the question is what came first the chicken or the egg? Sambo came from Japanese jujitsu which came from SC in 1659. Sambo also was derived from Judo which came directly from JJJ. Also Sambo had direct SC influences during the Mongol invasion in Russia And in the 1920's from Oschepkov. BJJ came directly from Judo which came from JJJ which SC influenced.
It is still our position in most situations to NOT go to the ground. Our philosophy is such that we feel the ground can make you vulnerable in a real fighting situation. However, ground techniques are just another tool to have. As far as the rolling knee bar, I've only seen it done in Sambo but the initial entrance and leg entanglement is all SC. With that said as you study SC and the lineage of other MA it is possible that that was influenced by SC as well. Its kind of like MA archeology.
that revearsal at 52 sec is truly incredible
speakthetruth76 2 months ago
I like the fact that you guys train in t-shirts which mimicks everyday clothing.I never liked the kimono when I was learning ju-jitsu because I was costantly adjusting it.On the street you need every ounce of focus you can muster to prevail in a violent encounter.
Combat shuai jiao seems like a legitemate martial art to me judging from the abundant use and flow of strikes like uppercuts and forearms hits to the neck.You guys look like your actually hitting your opponents with the floor.
devak1000 6 months ago 2
cool stuff bro
Judokkaa 6 months ago
I noticed some ground submission follow-ups. Is this the often-searched-for ground fighting aspect of Chinese Martial Arts? Or is this added in from judo or something else?
ThePsychoguy 9 months ago
@ThePsychoguy Actually, it depends on how you look at it. Shuai Chiao has been around for almost 5,000 years. It has always had the following components; Shuai, Da, Na, Ti. This means throwing, striking, joint locks, and kicking. In the military and police it was always taught that way. Out of the four main Shuai Chiao styles most of them taught this way for centuries. In th mid 1940's the Baoding style of Shuai Chiao was standardized as a sport at the Nanking Central Martial Arts University...
slonsky42 9 months ago 2
@slonsky42 ...It was here the sport did not include any ground techniques that everybody alludes to in Shuai Chiao. Fact of the matter is I did learn some groundwork called Dai Bu Su from Master Jeng Hsing Ping. Many of those techniques are applied in this particular vid. In addition Shuai Chiao has influenced many martial arts including the aformentiones ones that you present. Japanese Jujitsu in fact directly came from Shuai Chiao. Judo came from that. There will always be similarities....
slonsky42 9 months ago 2
@slonsky42 ...because many martial arts are derivatives of Shuai Chiao. So while its true that Sport shuai Chiao does not have ground fighting ,Miltary and police aspects do. Please look at Master David Lins book and you shall see a picture GM Chang on the ground doing a counter to an arm bar. With that said its not our desire to go to the ground nor is it our forte. The Chinese believe going to the ground was fighting like animals and frankly it could get you killed on the battlefield...
slonsky42 9 months ago 2
@slonsky42 at any rate many styles like BJJ which is basically groundfighting from Judo their emphasis is on the ground. Ours is in close fighting that is aggressive, fast and will violently take you off your feet and drive you into the ground causing further injury. Its a different concept thats all. Every martial art has something good to offer.
slonsky42 9 months ago 3
Ministry, NWO
slonsky42 11 months ago
what song is playing mate? this sounds kick ass :)
ThrashingBuddha 11 months ago
Hi,
Do you plan on putting any new videos up? Please do! Thanks.
twohooves 1 year ago
Hi! Shawn do you remember me? John F. From Ho Chun. I'm glad you stuck with it. You turned out Great! I think I saw you on a Harley a few years back, do you ride? I have a Harley to.
W1ZM3 1 year ago
@W1ZM3 Actually, this vid shows two of my students. The big bald looking guy kind of looks like me LOL. I'm in another vid. Combat Shuai Chiao. The name rings a bell but not sure if I can put a face to it. I'm sure I would definitely know you if I saw you. Yes, I do ride a springer softail but haven't been out this year .
slonsky42 1 year ago
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W1ZM3 1 year ago
@W1ZM3 Yeh John now I know who you are. I didn't recognize the F. but as soon as you wrote your whole name I got it. I'm teaching my guys on Sundays from 7:30-10:30 you are more than welcome to come down.
slonsky42 1 year ago
@slonsky42 I don't know about this sunday but I'll try. Is that 7:30 in the morning? Are you looking for some new students? I might be able to help with that.
W1ZM3 1 year ago
i like the last move
ryanWeap 1 year ago
@ryanWeap same
RacoonBurglar 1 year ago
really
that's good news
does he practice martial arts ?
or does he teach martial arts?
lobermanboaz 1 year ago
@lobermanboaz No, he is a landscape architect I believe. He has been there probably the last twenty years...
slonsky42 1 year ago
what a coincidence ... my wife is just about to graduate from landscape architecture studies...
where does he live in israel?
lobermanboaz 1 year ago
great demonstration
i liked the clip a lot...
i teach martial arts in Israel
lobermanboaz 1 year ago
@lobermanboaz thanks, I have a brother that lives in Israel...
slonsky42 1 year ago
metal = sound off
CarNikolaj 1 year ago
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blutobelushi 1 year ago
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blutobelushi 1 year ago
You guys going to the great lakes tournament in april? Our school is hosting it :D hope to see you there!
TheRedMonkie 2 years ago
we'll see you there...
slonsky42 2 years ago
Awesome I hope I put on a good show.
TheRedMonkie 2 years ago
Are sacrifice throws allowed in SC competition?
crane76 2 years ago
No Sport Shuai Chiao has no sacrifice throws. The school of thought behind that is you go to the ground you lose. This was changed in Nanking sometime around 1927. However that does not mean that there were never ground /sacrifice throws In Shuai Chiao. Fact of the matter is the military and police still use these types of techniques as well as joint locks that submit your opponents. These arresting techniques are called Dai bu Su. In fact Japanese jujitsu is a direct descendant of SC about 1659
slonsky42 2 years ago
@slonsky42
How well does applying SC throws to Bagua work? (like Cheng style, based on Shuai Jiao) .
I have heard that since modern SC has a lot of emphasis on gripping the tunic (which wouldn't necessarily work in all contexts), it isn't easily transferrable to a separate, hit/clinch/throw context.
Could you share your experience please?
Aheyne 2 years ago
actually,Grandmaster Chang incorporated the essence of Bagua as well as Hsing i in his Shuai Chiao. Bagua movements can certainly be seen in many entrances that help spoil the balance that take you right into a throw. It is my opinion that Shuai Chiao can work in conjunction easily with any style of fighting and enhance it. With that said of course it will work in combat against anything as well. Success on both sides of the fence depends on the skill level,aggressiveness,and tenacity of fighter
slonsky42 2 years ago
as far as gripping the jacket, that is only one part of the skillset Shuai Chiao practitioners should practice. It is usually used as a tool to spoil the balance by manipulating where the body's weight is and where you can off balance it or pin a limb to the ground for a set up. It is my opinion that it is easy to use everything available to accomplish the same thing such as grabbing skin, limbs,hair,kneck etc. Actually I believe its very easy to go from clinch to throw, hit to throw etc.
slonsky42 2 years ago
@slonsky42
Thank you for the response.
Do you have any recommendations on good SC people in Beijing to train with? I'm moving there this summer for a few years to continue my Bagua (and hopefully SC ) training. I do speak some Mandarin.
Aheyne 2 years ago
I don't personally know anyone in Bejing style Shuai Jiao but if it were me going i'd want to hook up with Wang Wenyong or his circle of Shuai Jiao people. I think he is top notch. They do a different style than I practice but you can tell by the way he moves he has skill and knowledge and i'd have to say there is some Bagua hidden in there as well. Good luck...
slonsky42 2 years ago
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blutobelushi 1 year ago
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blutobelushi 2 years ago
great video, any chance for you to upload a video on non cooperative sparring?
Tianshanwarrior 2 years ago
we are working on it.When I get enough footage of my guys at tournaments or fighting well put one out. I'll keep you posted...
slonsky42 2 years ago
fantastic! please keep me posted, cheers!
Tianshanwarrior 2 years ago
great demo!!
maurus01 2 years ago
Brother,
Great to see you and your students showing the real combat skills of Shuai Jiao.
Daledugas67 2 years ago
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blutobelushi 2 years ago
VERY GOOD !You again made a good video.Keep up the good work .Wish you well.
Tell Teacher I said Hi ! TIM McKitrick
yuanshen 2 years ago
wow,very good,very smooth,you can see the expertise in the throw techniques. i wish i lived closer.
tao123chi 2 years ago
i like this videos
thank you
genkitv 2 years ago
Actually this is a good question. I will supplement timeline in an e mail to you. Sometime around 1927 at the Nanking school of martial arts sport Shuai Chiao was standardized and the ground techniques were taken out. Combat Shuai Chiao applications still have ground techniques and are seen in police and military trainings both before 1927 and after. Both Brazillian Jujitsu and Sambo have derivitave techniques in Shuai Chiao simply do to the lineage. Jeng hsing Ping in around 199o showed us ...
slonsky42 2 years ago
...us ground techniques he called Dai bu su I believe. These techniques were used mostly fo arresting techniques and included arm bars. So the question is what came first the chicken or the egg? Sambo came from Japanese jujitsu which came from SC in 1659. Sambo also was derived from Judo which came directly from JJJ. Also Sambo had direct SC influences during the Mongol invasion in Russia And in the 1920's from Oschepkov. BJJ came directly from Judo which came from JJJ which SC influenced.
slonsky42 2 years ago
anyhow somehow your comment disappeared pleas reenter it.
slonsky42 2 years ago
It is still our position in most situations to NOT go to the ground. Our philosophy is such that we feel the ground can make you vulnerable in a real fighting situation. However, ground techniques are just another tool to have. As far as the rolling knee bar, I've only seen it done in Sambo but the initial entrance and leg entanglement is all SC. With that said as you study SC and the lineage of other MA it is possible that that was influenced by SC as well. Its kind of like MA archeology.
slonsky42 2 years ago
looks good fellas. bad ass! Dave
talufa345 2 years ago
Looking good, gentlemen.
peanut8117 2 years ago
yeahh that's my boyfriend =) lol...nice job both of u guys....
Mrtini86 2 years ago
GGGGGooood!!!!!!!!!!!!!my 兄弟Shawn
Crazysky38 2 years ago
good job chris n jr both
omgitsdylandontlook 2 years ago
Hell yes.
bunnymynost 2 years ago