Another update....... I've seen others with similar problems report that their Saiga won't reliably cycle "low brass" rounds and conclude (like I did) that Saigas just won't work with low brass. That is not the case, I'm glad to say. There ARE fixes to help with low brass, until your Saiga is broken in: Lower power main springs and recoil springs are 2. Polishing your bolt carrier and hammer interface is another.
@IzzyShooter Another option that works right out of the box is a TAC 47 Autoplug. Phenomenal piece of equipment! Cycles everything right out of the box. Some have to make a minor adjustment. I didn't have to adjust anything!
@IzzyShooter Another option that works right out of the box is a TAC 47 Autoplug. Phenomenal piece of equipment! Cycles everything right out of the box. Some have to make a minor adjustment. I didn't have to adjust anything! Search Youtube for videos on it.
I use #4 high brass birdshot and also #8 low brass birdshot in my converted Saiga 12 and works fine,i also have the twister puck (standard) and the gunfixers gas plug.People have to realize that these guns were made as an "assault shotgun" to shoot heavy load buckshot and slugs..were never offically intended for light loads..not gonna use birdshot in CQB or CQC situations.
Adjustable gas plugs let you fine-tune the cycling, but it doesn't improve the cycling strength or improve reliability. Our KA-SG01A tappet boosts the cycling strength and will help Saiga-12's run on low-brass 'cannon fodder' bought at Walmart. By the way, use Federal bulk pack whenever possible, it cycles best. Winchester low-brass is crap :(
As im sure others have said, Get the gas plug upgrade so you can fine tune your weapon. I have only put 1 box through mine (stock, unmodifed from factory settings). That one box was Independence - 2 3/4in, 1 1/8oz, #8shot (1200fps) and i didnt have a single problem. It could be that the rounds you are using are not hot enough to cycle durring rapid fire, or it could be the rounds you are using are just cold loaded in general.
I've had the gas plug upgrade for 8 or 9 months now, as I've mentioned below. Now that the Saiga is broken in, I have a really hard time finding something it WON'T cycle.
Micbaca, I got my adjustable plug from MD Arms. Definitely a must have item. It lets you dial in the gas setting for low recoli birdshot or higher recoiling stuff, like slugs. These shotguns are originally made similar to this in Russia, but in order to export them to the U.S.A. they have to "sporterize" them. Converting them is just restoring them to their original glory. You have to use so many U.S. made parts to be legal though. Not hard to do, since plenty of folks make parts.
Well, I suppose I should mention that since I posted this video, I've gotten Gunfixer's adjustable gas plug, reduced main and recoil springs and polished the carrier and bolt. Now it cycles pretty much everything. I hadn't found slugs or buckshot that wouldn't cycle in this, even when it was being picky with the lightweight Wal Mart stuff, like in the video. I'm not sure what the cheapest slugs are, but #4 buckshot worked really well in it. See it shooting those in some of my other videos.
Izzyshooter, Thanks for the awesome videos on jambing your Saiga. A couple questions: where did you get your adjustable gas plug? I have found various people talking about a "saiga 12 ga. conversion"...what is this, why are converted guns 2x as much, and is the conversion worth it? Thanks in advance. Keep up the awesome work.
I know all about the gas settings. I recently bought a Gunfixer hand adjustable gas plug though. It has 4 settings vs. the stock 2. The Saiga has 4 ports at .175 diameter each. Standard diamond configuration. Not a "Vodka Special".
How many gas ports does your gun have? Which position did you have your gas adjusted to? The cheapy light stuff is supposed to work better on position 2.
It runs great with buck. Actually, it's just the lightweight cheap ammo from Wall Mart, and even then, it's only when I do this rapid fire technique. Firing aimed rounds from the shoulder (how you should really shoot anyway) will run the lightweight stuff pretty well. The technique I use is meant to TRY and make a firearm jam. I've been able to jam JUST ABOUT every semi auto I've ever tried with this technique. The Saiga usually requires cheap ammo and no shoulder support to jam it.
I just got to try my SAIGA out for the first time and I found the same problem with Federal #8 shot that I bought for skeet. Looks like the Mossy just inherited all that ammo. Thanks for the vid. I'll be looking for a bulk purchase of something heavier. How does it do with 00 buck?
Yeah, I know Saigas like the heavier stuff. As it says in my description though, I was TRYING to see if I could get the gun to jam or short cycle by using really light Wally World ammo and shooting 5 or 6 shots a second from a non-shouldered position.
Another update....... I've seen others with similar problems report that their Saiga won't reliably cycle "low brass" rounds and conclude (like I did) that Saigas just won't work with low brass. That is not the case, I'm glad to say. There ARE fixes to help with low brass, until your Saiga is broken in: Lower power main springs and recoil springs are 2. Polishing your bolt carrier and hammer interface is another.
IzzyShooter 1 year ago
@IzzyShooter Another option that works right out of the box is a TAC 47 Autoplug. Phenomenal piece of equipment!
ertatl 1 year ago
@IzzyShooter Another option that works right out of the box is a TAC 47 Autoplug. Phenomenal piece of equipment! Cycles everything right out of the box. Some have to make a minor adjustment. I didn't have to adjust anything!
ertatl 1 year ago
@IzzyShooter Another option that works right out of the box is a TAC 47 Autoplug. Phenomenal piece of equipment! Cycles everything right out of the box. Some have to make a minor adjustment. I didn't have to adjust anything! Search Youtube for videos on it.
ertatl 1 year ago
I use #4 high brass birdshot and also #8 low brass birdshot in my converted Saiga 12 and works fine,i also have the twister puck (standard) and the gunfixers gas plug.People have to realize that these guns were made as an "assault shotgun" to shoot heavy load buckshot and slugs..were never offically intended for light loads..not gonna use birdshot in CQB or CQC situations.
RantinAndRavin 1 year ago
Adjustable gas plugs let you fine-tune the cycling, but it doesn't improve the cycling strength or improve reliability. Our KA-SG01A tappet boosts the cycling strength and will help Saiga-12's run on low-brass 'cannon fodder' bought at Walmart. By the way, use Federal bulk pack whenever possible, it cycles best. Winchester low-brass is crap :(
kingjoey1974 1 year ago
look at all the shell casings on the ground at around 30 seconds into the video
kodyman20 1 year ago
As im sure others have said, Get the gas plug upgrade so you can fine tune your weapon. I have only put 1 box through mine (stock, unmodifed from factory settings). That one box was Independence - 2 3/4in, 1 1/8oz, #8shot (1200fps) and i didnt have a single problem. It could be that the rounds you are using are not hot enough to cycle durring rapid fire, or it could be the rounds you are using are just cold loaded in general.
obeyance 2 years ago
I've had the gas plug upgrade for 8 or 9 months now, as I've mentioned below. Now that the Saiga is broken in, I have a really hard time finding something it WON'T cycle.
IzzyShooter 2 years ago
Micbaca, I got my adjustable plug from MD Arms. Definitely a must have item. It lets you dial in the gas setting for low recoli birdshot or higher recoiling stuff, like slugs. These shotguns are originally made similar to this in Russia, but in order to export them to the U.S.A. they have to "sporterize" them. Converting them is just restoring them to their original glory. You have to use so many U.S. made parts to be legal though. Not hard to do, since plenty of folks make parts.
IzzyShooter 2 years ago
Well, I suppose I should mention that since I posted this video, I've gotten Gunfixer's adjustable gas plug, reduced main and recoil springs and polished the carrier and bolt. Now it cycles pretty much everything. I hadn't found slugs or buckshot that wouldn't cycle in this, even when it was being picky with the lightweight Wal Mart stuff, like in the video. I'm not sure what the cheapest slugs are, but #4 buckshot worked really well in it. See it shooting those in some of my other videos.
IzzyShooter 2 years ago
Izzyshooter, Thanks for the awesome videos on jambing your Saiga. A couple questions: where did you get your adjustable gas plug? I have found various people talking about a "saiga 12 ga. conversion"...what is this, why are converted guns 2x as much, and is the conversion worth it? Thanks in advance. Keep up the awesome work.
micbaca 2 years ago
what are the cheapest slug and shot rounds that you would use in your Saiga, Izzy?
theastrusmega 2 years ago
I know all about the gas settings. I recently bought a Gunfixer hand adjustable gas plug though. It has 4 settings vs. the stock 2. The Saiga has 4 ports at .175 diameter each. Standard diamond configuration. Not a "Vodka Special".
IzzyShooter 2 years ago
How many gas ports does your gun have? Which position did you have your gas adjusted to? The cheapy light stuff is supposed to work better on position 2.
nismobeach 2 years ago
It runs great with buck. Actually, it's just the lightweight cheap ammo from Wall Mart, and even then, it's only when I do this rapid fire technique. Firing aimed rounds from the shoulder (how you should really shoot anyway) will run the lightweight stuff pretty well. The technique I use is meant to TRY and make a firearm jam. I've been able to jam JUST ABOUT every semi auto I've ever tried with this technique. The Saiga usually requires cheap ammo and no shoulder support to jam it.
IzzyShooter 3 years ago
I just got to try my SAIGA out for the first time and I found the same problem with Federal #8 shot that I bought for skeet. Looks like the Mossy just inherited all that ammo. Thanks for the vid. I'll be looking for a bulk purchase of something heavier. How does it do with 00 buck?
pector55 3 years ago
Yeah, I know Saigas like the heavier stuff. As it says in my description though, I was TRYING to see if I could get the gun to jam or short cycle by using really light Wally World ammo and shooting 5 or 6 shots a second from a non-shouldered position.
IzzyShooter 3 years ago
Forget about shot,those are made for ripping shit up with slugs.
WeisserWolf666 3 years ago