OK, I just listened to parts of your video again, and now my impression is that you believe gentiles have been redeemed all along, i.e. before Christ's coming, or at least that works never saved. (I'm still not totally sure what you believe actually). Rom. 11:6 listed below "no longer by works," That seems to be a pretty clear indication that it was once indeed by works. In any case, numerous passages in the NT, make clear that there has been a significant change.
Thank you for both your comments. I am not Jewish but I study Judaism. My belief system would fall into a Messianic worldview. I lean toward the Orthodox Jewish viewpoint as well. I believe that salvation is not by works just as the Jews believe that God is merciful and will save by grace alone. The "law" or rather "works of the law" are legalism.
Let me put it this way: Law does not equal legalism. Legalism is a perversion of the Law. True Torah is Grace filled.
You can put it any way you like, but how do you reason away the clear shift that takes place throughout the New Testament, and as is represented strongly in Rom. 11?
So you can't defend your position? Perhaps then, you should not post videos with inaccurate information that may cause many to be mislead. What you say in this video is clearly wrong, but many will see it who do not have proper knowledge of the Bible and will believe it. I encourage you to read the New Testament to better understand God's relation to us.
I can defend my position but the comments section of this video is not adequate enough for the task. Plus I don't really have the time right now. I understand YOUR position and where you are comming from but I do not agree with the interpretation.
I'll tell you what. Send me a PM and let me know what questions you would like me to address in great detail and I'll do my next video on them.
So wait, you are Jewish, but you believe in the New Testament? Don't those clash quite a bit? How do you reconcile the numerous passages that state salvation is not by works, including the ones from Romans 11 which your video mentions?
Rom. 11 : 5,6
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. (NIV)
I am not confused. I just don't believe the same way you do. If you are Messianic then you must know that there is a large array of disagreements within the community.
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, nobody comes to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME." -- Jesus (John 14:6)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.(Ephesians 2:8-10)
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)
...he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5)
Why don't you go and live in Israel? You only know Jewry from your studies. Live there for one year and we will see what you have to say then. 75% of Israel' population is secular. The government is more corrupt than the US government. The State Of Israel puts you on a list for residence and the government does ethnically dispense you. I know what you believe but they have judged themselves by not receiving their Messiah Yeshua Ben Yahweh.
I am speaking of the remnant of Israel and the remnant of Humanity IN HIM, you are speaking by Messianisms, these will not save nor justify the errors that All religions have propagated All over HIS CREATION...
This is why Yeshua Ben Yahweh is coming back, to Ascend All for All Time... Amen...
All religions including Messianic Judaism is going to be the new commonweath of Israel by Issaac by Abraham by YHVH' Promises To ALL IN THAT DAY... Now All Religions including Messianic Judaism is in err of HIM (YHVH), So, you are fighting someone else's battles, you and I have enough on Our Own Plates already...
The end of this matter is at hand YHVH' Promise has already been fulfilled for Israel and for all gentiles to become In Him... Yeshua Ben Yahweh Is The Only Way To YHVH' Truth, Jew or Gentile, Good or Evil, Saved or Unsaved, Replacement Theology or not will not prevent His Emminence... Keep your inspirations broadcasting, great food for contemplating His Will...
God is still very much interested in Israel, and all his promises are in regard to Israel. There are many promises which the Lord has yet to fulfill for Israel. This is why the Gentiles have been grafted into Israel. There is only one nation which God has chosen to be a light to the nations, which is Israel.
(2)Thus... Will usher in the Second Coming Of Messiah Yeshua Ben YHVH subduing the evil of His Creation with HIS TRUTH... And Jewry will see HIM as HE REIGNS ushering in HIS Millinnial Kingdom, Rebuilding HIS RIGHTEOUS TEMPLE AND THRONE from HIS HOLY MOUNTAIN OF ZION... Amen... Rev 6:12-17...
Most of your interpretation of scripture is based on Dispensationalism and Replacement Theology, which is way too focused on an Anti-Messiah. The Jews continue to pray for the restoration of the Temple to this day. You keep refering to "Evil" Jewry? The Jews are God's people. Replacement Theology cannot stand if the Jews are God's people so this is why it always seeks to label "all" Jews. Is not Israel God's People?
(1)The second temple was restored by Herod, the third temple will be restored by Evil Illuminates Appeasing Jewry (like herod) ushering in the power of the beast with the provocation of the son of perdition from amongest the heathen Beastial Demonstrations Of Blasphemy Against The Most High...
I am referring to Dispensational Theology being in error, but you are using the word 'Dispensation' in it's generic sense. I don't ascribe to Dispensational Theology, therefore; we are not in any "Dispensation," we are simply awaiting the return of the Messiah.
Understood... But what did Yeshua mean by these words of His, considering His Creation was not privy to this now known fact that Peter quotes, remember, time and space?
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Again Excellent Video...
I don't believe you verbally mention the messiah' name in the video, if it wasn't for your last frame noone would of known otherwise...
When Yeshua spoke those words to Peter he probably spoke them in Hebrew or Aramaic. The word "Church" was not a word at all until the 2nd Century C.E. The correct interpretation is, community or assembly, and which community? The community of Israel and the Gentiles who have be grafted into that community as well.
How about The Congregation of Yeshua The Son Of YHVH or The Congregant Followers Of Yeshua The Son Of YHVH or Yeshua' Chosen Assembly? Rather than church?
Contemporary Jewry does not acknowledge Yeshua as messiah, yet, are they justified by Abraham?
They are still waiting for Messiah like you, just a different view...
Israel' blindness is spiritual to which Yeshua They did not recognise as Messiah aka A Newly Appointed Assembly Or Congregation In Messiah Yeshua is now the CornerStone Of YHVH' KINGDOM...
A agree that "Church" is a non sequitur with YHVH and in regards to the original texts...
The error is in appointing a new 'Chosen Assembly.' This is the core of Replacement Theology. God does not go against His Word. Psalm 94:14 "For the Lord will not reject his people; he will never forsake his inheritance."
Why did YHVH rent the veil within the second temple then?
Mat 27:[51]-54 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent. Also Mar 15:38, Luk 23:45, Hbr 6:19, Hbr 9:3 and Hbr 10:20 state clearly YHVH' Declaration To His People, that THEIR temple is desolate... All including Jewry must accept Yeshua as Messiah, this is the promise given to Abrahams faithfulness and trust in YHVH PROMISE to him...
Let's not forget that the Temple will be restored before the World to Come. The Lord himself will bring his people back to him and they will acknowledge Yeshua as the Messiah. Gentile are can be part of this commonweath of Israel, but Israel remains the Lord's inheritance.
OK, I just listened to parts of your video again, and now my impression is that you believe gentiles have been redeemed all along, i.e. before Christ's coming, or at least that works never saved. (I'm still not totally sure what you believe actually). Rom. 11:6 listed below "no longer by works," That seems to be a pretty clear indication that it was once indeed by works. In any case, numerous passages in the NT, make clear that there has been a significant change.
SuperZapRowsdower 2 years ago
SuperZapRowsdower,
Thank you for both your comments. I am not Jewish but I study Judaism. My belief system would fall into a Messianic worldview. I lean toward the Orthodox Jewish viewpoint as well. I believe that salvation is not by works just as the Jews believe that God is merciful and will save by grace alone. The "law" or rather "works of the law" are legalism.
Let me put it this way: Law does not equal legalism. Legalism is a perversion of the Law. True Torah is Grace filled.
TruthCeeker333 2 years ago
You can put it any way you like, but how do you reason away the clear shift that takes place throughout the New Testament, and as is represented strongly in Rom. 11?
SuperZapRowsdower 2 years ago
SuperZapRowsdower,
I understand where your coming from.
Peace be with you.
TruthCeeker333 2 years ago
So you can't defend your position? Perhaps then, you should not post videos with inaccurate information that may cause many to be mislead. What you say in this video is clearly wrong, but many will see it who do not have proper knowledge of the Bible and will believe it. I encourage you to read the New Testament to better understand God's relation to us.
SuperZapRowsdower 2 years ago
SuperZapRowsdower,
I can defend my position but the comments section of this video is not adequate enough for the task. Plus I don't really have the time right now. I understand YOUR position and where you are comming from but I do not agree with the interpretation.
I'll tell you what. Send me a PM and let me know what questions you would like me to address in great detail and I'll do my next video on them.
Peace.
TruthCeeker333 2 years ago
So wait, you are Jewish, but you believe in the New Testament? Don't those clash quite a bit? How do you reconcile the numerous passages that state salvation is not by works, including the ones from Romans 11 which your video mentions?
Rom. 11 : 5,6
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. (NIV)
The remnant in verse 5 is in reference to Israel.
SuperZapRowsdower 2 years ago
@SuperZapRowsdower You actually think there is a clash between being Jewish and believing in the New Covenant (messianic writings)?
charlesshefler 1 year ago
megashira218,
Thanks for your comment. Another score for this vid.
Peace to you.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
you don't know God - do you.
4096x 3 years ago
4096x,
Are you suggesting that one's religion determines their relationship with our Lord?
Go waste your comments elsewhere.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
Beit,
Not sure what your idea of 'church' is and not sure what your emphasis on 'Judah' is all about.
Peace to you.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
Ever read Jer 31??? The new covenant made to ISRAEL (that exiled ISRAEL) and Judah (Jews) not the gentiles.
GanEdenAustralia 3 years ago
"Two House" theology = Error.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
YOUR opinion!
GanEdenAustralia 3 years ago
If you say so. Peace to you.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
Beit,
I am not confused. I just don't believe the same way you do. If you are Messianic then you must know that there is a large array of disagreements within the community.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
Then you should renounce Dispensationalist Theology = ERROR!
GanEdenAustralia 3 years ago
GanEden, I would agree. That seems to be the point of this video. Peace.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
Thank you for your support and Shalom to you.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
I feel that since I am from a protestant backround that more explaintion is needed for that point of view. Thank you again for your appreciation.
TruthCeeker333 3 years ago
This is a foundational issue. Dispensationalism is at the heart of so much confusion concerning Torah. Well done TC!
Torahrevival 4 years ago
Thank You! I don't think this topic can be talked about enough! Peace!
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, nobody comes to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME." -- Jesus (John 14:6)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.(Ephesians 2:8-10)
HomeboundPilgrim 4 years ago
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)
...he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5)
HomeboundPilgrim 4 years ago
Not sure what your mean by posting Bible verses. I'm more interested in your interpretation of those verses. Peace to You.
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago
Why don't you go and live in Israel? You only know Jewry from your studies. Live there for one year and we will see what you have to say then. 75% of Israel' population is secular. The government is more corrupt than the US government. The State Of Israel puts you on a list for residence and the government does ethnically dispense you. I know what you believe but they have judged themselves by not receiving their Messiah Yeshua Ben Yahweh.
Lockmanship 4 years ago
I am speaking of the remnant of Israel.
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago
Weights And Measures;
Sincerity towards Jewry- 100%...
Sincerity towards Yahweh- Limited...
If your love toward Jewry is so strong why do you limit HIM?
By just TALKING ABOUT JEWRY and MESSIANISMS of conviction?
"Christ" is a title aka "Christ"ians...
"Messiah" is a title aka "Messianic"...
"Jesus" is "Yeshua" aka "Yeshuan"...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
I am speaking of the remnant of Israel and the remnant of Humanity IN HIM, you are speaking by Messianisms, these will not save nor justify the errors that All religions have propagated All over HIS CREATION...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
This is why Yeshua Ben Yahweh is coming back, to Ascend All for All Time... Amen...
All religions including Messianic Judaism is going to be the new commonweath of Israel by Issaac by Abraham by YHVH' Promises To ALL IN THAT DAY... Now All Religions including Messianic Judaism is in err of HIM (YHVH), So, you are fighting someone else's battles, you and I have enough on Our Own Plates already...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
Thanks for the topic, I agree with the premise but not the Ideology...
Your Brother In Yeshua,
Eph 3:9-12
Lockmanship 4 years ago
The end of this matter is at hand YHVH' Promise has already been fulfilled for Israel and for all gentiles to become In Him... Yeshua Ben Yahweh Is The Only Way To YHVH' Truth, Jew or Gentile, Good or Evil, Saved or Unsaved, Replacement Theology or not will not prevent His Emminence... Keep your inspirations broadcasting, great food for contemplating His Will...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
God is still very much interested in Israel, and all his promises are in regard to Israel. There are many promises which the Lord has yet to fulfill for Israel. This is why the Gentiles have been grafted into Israel. There is only one nation which God has chosen to be a light to the nations, which is Israel.
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago
(2)Thus... Will usher in the Second Coming Of Messiah Yeshua Ben YHVH subduing the evil of His Creation with HIS TRUTH... And Jewry will see HIM as HE REIGNS ushering in HIS Millinnial Kingdom, Rebuilding HIS RIGHTEOUS TEMPLE AND THRONE from HIS HOLY MOUNTAIN OF ZION... Amen... Rev 6:12-17...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
Most of your interpretation of scripture is based on Dispensationalism and Replacement Theology, which is way too focused on an Anti-Messiah. The Jews continue to pray for the restoration of the Temple to this day. You keep refering to "Evil" Jewry? The Jews are God's people. Replacement Theology cannot stand if the Jews are God's people so this is why it always seeks to label "all" Jews. Is not Israel God's People?
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago
(1)The second temple was restored by Herod, the third temple will be restored by Evil Illuminates Appeasing Jewry (like herod) ushering in the power of the beast with the provocation of the son of perdition from amongest the heathen Beastial Demonstrations Of Blasphemy Against The Most High...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
Well Directed... Care for an Apologetic Comment? Question(s);
Then What Currently Is "HIS GRACE" Towards A Corrupt Creation and what dispensation are WE in?
What Dispensation(s) did HIS SALVATION [His Intervention] COME TO MANKIND?
And in what dispensation(s) are WE redeemed beyond salvation?
Lockmanship 4 years ago
I am referring to Dispensational Theology being in error, but you are using the word 'Dispensation' in it's generic sense. I don't ascribe to Dispensational Theology, therefore; we are not in any "Dispensation," we are simply awaiting the return of the Messiah.
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago
Understood... But what did Yeshua mean by these words of His, considering His Creation was not privy to this now known fact that Peter quotes, remember, time and space?
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Again Excellent Video...
I don't believe you verbally mention the messiah' name in the video, if it wasn't for your last frame noone would of known otherwise...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
When Yeshua spoke those words to Peter he probably spoke them in Hebrew or Aramaic. The word "Church" was not a word at all until the 2nd Century C.E. The correct interpretation is, community or assembly, and which community? The community of Israel and the Gentiles who have be grafted into that community as well.
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago
(1)
How about The Congregation of Yeshua The Son Of YHVH or The Congregant Followers Of Yeshua The Son Of YHVH or Yeshua' Chosen Assembly? Rather than church?
Contemporary Jewry does not acknowledge Yeshua as messiah, yet, are they justified by Abraham?
They are still waiting for Messiah like you, just a different view...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
(2)
Israel' blindness is spiritual to which Yeshua They did not recognise as Messiah aka A Newly Appointed Assembly Or Congregation In Messiah Yeshua is now the CornerStone Of YHVH' KINGDOM...
A agree that "Church" is a non sequitur with YHVH and in regards to the original texts...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
The error is in appointing a new 'Chosen Assembly.' This is the core of Replacement Theology. God does not go against His Word. Psalm 94:14 "For the Lord will not reject his people; he will never forsake his inheritance."
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago
Why did YHVH rent the veil within the second temple then?
Mat 27:[51]-54 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent. Also Mar 15:38, Luk 23:45, Hbr 6:19, Hbr 9:3 and Hbr 10:20 state clearly YHVH' Declaration To His People, that THEIR temple is desolate... All including Jewry must accept Yeshua as Messiah, this is the promise given to Abrahams faithfulness and trust in YHVH PROMISE to him...
Lockmanship 4 years ago
Let's not forget that the Temple will be restored before the World to Come. The Lord himself will bring his people back to him and they will acknowledge Yeshua as the Messiah. Gentile are can be part of this commonweath of Israel, but Israel remains the Lord's inheritance.
TruthCeeker333 4 years ago