science is a ruthless meritocracy, with no expectations of loyalty. in short, it pits students against students, students against teachers, teachers against teachers in an endless competition to be the most free of error, and the most thorough in collection, examination, and application of evidence. that is how science works, and that is precisely why it works.
I love the suggestion that theories accepted by scientists working to debunk them the world over are nothing more than part of a sinister global conspiracy. I couldn't imagine anything more ridiculous, as trying to get millions of scientists to agree to something they honestly don't is worse than herding cats. It takes a total lack of understanding of who scientists are and how they work, and worse, a total obliviousness to how untenable the views of those who suggest it may in fact be.
@craigore2011 Absolutely. Just recently I had a theist attempt to convince me of some worldwide conspiracy by scientists to suppress information. It's absurd.
Well if paranoid people want to make that argument I suggest they check out this post on freethought blogs pharyngula/2011/11/02/the-incredible-self-destructing-psychologist/#comments
Here's an example of what can happen when scientists try to 'suppress' or in this case use fictitious data.
@craigore2011 Totally agree to. i was arguing the other day, with a friend of mine that doubts Carbon dating.... She thought it was somehow a conspiracy. So I explained to her that the scientific world is one of the most rigourous evidence-wise. Doubt and skepticism are the norm. For a theory to be proven and to be widely accepted, and to have my friend who only has a BA in communications tell me that, oh...she just doesn't believe it. I was like: Are you for real? O_o
She also told me that she had no idea I was an atheist, because atheists have dark eyes as they have no soul....I mean WTF!!!! Then I re-evaluated my friendship with her... lol!
P.s you never really see physical people that actually make a living making this world better on the news its always some super star or celeb. I feel sorry for those people who strive to create a better living for the rest
@kysmelmonge Yeah. And these people who work hard to make life better get constantly attacked and insulted by religious folks. They take advantage of the tech but give no respect to the people who developed it. It's really shameful.
@kysmelmonge Have you heard of Norman Borlaug? He saved people from starvation. Some say up to 1 Billion people. He invented new forms of wheat and was a proponent of GM to make even more resistant and productive strains of wheat. And yet people only started hearing about him when Penn and Teller mentioned him on BULLSHIT!. It's a great shame that he languishes in obscurity while celebrity idiots get airtime.
Oh yeah?! Well, I'll have you know I had a tiny dingaling and then after praying real hard I'm now in possession of this....... shit! Fuck you, God! Fuck you!!!
Prayer works just like it says. God might do what you want, god might not, and god might do it later. You could pray to a gallon of juice and it would work!!
I told a christian co-worker that I have had many talks and debates with over religion god and science, when he had a really bad tooth ache and was looking for a dentist, I told him don't go to the dentist, pray because god will answer you lol. We should use the scientific method for social concern. That's applying it's methods to our society. If we did that, you can say bye-bye to so much nonsense.
@mang0scang0 I lifted it off o this website that sells keyed footage for video editing. I got explosions, gunshots, rain fx etc. Some I paid for, some they gave away for free.
some people need autotune to sound like there singing while talking, you've proven that you don't always need one! Also auto-tune is neat scientific invention that while makes some accidental singers has got us an even better sonar picture of our ocean floors.
great video. It pisses me off when people attack science but of course wants the results of science. Being a scientist I have been attacked for it with people thinking I'm some evil scientist when they know nothing about what I do. It really pisses me off especially when most scientist are usually trying to help society, through technology, medical breakthrough or just adding to our knowledge which the same people who think I'm some evil scientist have no problem taking advantage of it
@lemonlimeGOD LOL Hey I saw this documentary about old castles and they mentioned what they had to use to go to the bathroom. Sitting on cold stone in a cold castle had to have sucked big time. Made me appreciate the toilet. LOL
This sums up exactly what pisses me off about creationists and why I make my videos. The sheer hypocrisy of their happily using all of the fruits of science and the work of scientists while at the same time pissing all over them in favor of their ridiculous stories really makes my blood boil. Well said!
@TheLivingDinosaur It's really ridiculous isn't it. They will accept the benefits of the scientific method but deny it's value when it is applied to their belief system.
The thing about the old days and old methods that I think trumps progress is sustainability. You contrasted a tractor with a horse and a plow. Ok. If we run out of fossil fuel, the tractor won't be very useful but the horse and the plow will. A lot of farmers are going back to the old methods. Look at the Amish. If disaster strikes, its just another day for them. Makes no difference. Faster isn't always better.
@SonistheFatherofMan True. But your assuming that we won't eventually discover a better source of fuel. It's in our nature to learn and get better at doing things. We don't just stay with the same thing. Necessity is the mother of invention. Man's ingenuity is amazing. Don't sell us short.
@rationalwarrior True and we already have solar and wind power which is amazing but the future looks dim. We can't produce enough to sustain ourselves and then there's the problem of pollution (disposal of garbage). The earth is finite.
Its about allocation of resources and scarcity and to move the human race into a more sustainable direction when most of us live in cities is unfathomable.
@SonistheFatherofMan You know the other thing is that oil companies suppress any new sources of energy by lobbying politicians to only support them. This is a problem that we will have to overcome in order to break our addiction to fossil fuels.
@rationalwarrior That's possible since they've already invested heavily in the infrastructure to harvest, refine, deliver, and utilize fossil fuels. Also, the cost of moving society from fossil to renewable (i.e., changing the infrastructure) is astronomical. Its not an easy proposition by any means. But fossil fuel based systems are not sustainable whereas renewable energy is.
@Rents66 I can think the sun is a big ball of cheese but that doesn't make it true. I think it's the height of arrogance to think that just because you assert something that makes it objectively true. It's also dangerous. I can think that the car riding down the street is made of paper but that would not make it true so when it hits me, the reality of it will present itself.
@rationalwarrior Agreed, ignorance about physical things can have adverse effects on the physical body or if nothing else on your understanding of the physical world, I think the same could be said of the phsychic realm, if you are ignorant to the ways of the energy, dow, love, whatever you want to call the cosmic giggle, then it will have adverse effects on your abiltity to navigate this area of the experience.
@Rents66 See that's the part that doesn't make any sense. I do not acknowledge the psychic realm at all. Mostly because I have never heard a consistent definition of it. And yet I'm not observing any problems with love or anything of that nature. As my wife will attest to. She doesn't acknowledge either and yet we love one another and our kids. Explain.
@rationalwarrior The reason for this in my eyes is that the psychic realm is an experience and words do not do justice to the experience, whenever something that is truly great happens in your life you use words to explain the experience to others, this in no way gives others the experience, definitions are symbolic contructs not experiences, as for your love, you experience it so you believe it, you believe in love, now what love is, is a fantastic subject.
@Rents66 I believe that it is a biological construct. There is evidence to support this as well. I also looked up DMT and it's a drug dude. A drug that makes you hallucinate. No thanks.
@rationalwarrior It is a drug that you take every night. As it is the chemical that causes dreams, it metabolizes in 30 minutes with no negitive side effects, and you because your cutlure says it is a drug will never experience this vehicle to the other, read the study by Dr. Rick Strausman on this "drug" if you allow the people who run your community to tell you what your restraints are then science makes sense as the only source for understanding the experience.
@Rents66 I'm reading it right now. See here is the problem. This naturally occurring drug is fine in the dosage that your brain creates but anytime you attempt to add to you body's biochemicals you create an unbalance. Just like THC in weed. It occurs naturally in the brain but smoking weed increases the natural dosage causing that high feeling.
@Rents66 That is not relevant. If you are using a drug to create these experiences it is not valid. That's what psychedelic drugs do. I don't advocate drug use to my kids so why would I do it. This explains much.
@rationalwarrior Define drugs? I mean sugar, Caffine, Alchohol, tobbaco, Cocoa, these things are all drugs, now if you are talking legality, then you have to do research into why some drugs are illegal and some are not, or you are just saying that my controllers know what they are talking about and have my best interstests in mind when such things are made illegal.
@Rents66 Not even going to play that semantic game with you. You know full well what I mean by drug as well as the difference in caffeine and tobacco and crack or dope. Apparently you have controllers as well as you did not do all of the experiments that you accept are true yourself. You can't rattle me with that nonsense. You also can't convince me that people who study this stuff know less about it then you.
There is no differenec in tobacco and Alchohol and crack and dope, these are very similar drugs that do kill thousands every year, now I would not call it semantics the question of why some drugs are illegal and some are legal as it is clearly not based on public safety in my opinion.
I do not assert that my reality has to be accepted by all or understood by any, you claim that your reality IS reality for all and I just do not see it that way and I have yet to here a thing to change my mind.
@Rents66 You already have. You already acknowledged that science is a tool that you use to help you navigate thru one level of your experience. I have only experienced the reality that the scientific method helped to define. I make no claims to anything else but to the stuff you already acknowledged. I get where your at now and we can discontinue this conversation.
@Rents66 This finally explains alot of the stuff I've been hearing from you and about you. You are defintiely being controlled. By a controlled substance. I grew up in the hood. I have and had family members addicted to almost any drug you can find. You mean to tell me that you I have to go out and experience crack for myself to say it's bad? Bullocks.
Again you assert a point try to win a winless debate, I in now way advocated crack, if you wish you can try to give me a point that is obviously obsurd and in no way endorsed by me or you can explain how I am wrong using your own experience, it is your call, and up until this point when I touched something close to home in your experience you have been very civil but this is not what I am saying at all.
@Rents66 I used that as an example because you seem to think that no one can accept anything unless they experiment with it themselves. It's an absurd idea so I demonstrated absurdity by being absurd. Goodnight.
@Rents66 Your playing games again. You say things like I'm being controlled by gurs as if that wouldn't be insulting to an atheist but then cry foul when I turn the tables on you about your use of drugs.
@rationalwarrior You are right that is an accurate description of some of the last few comments, I did throw out the guru world as a buzz word to get at you, and I am sorry for that, it was a good chat and I want to thank you for your time.
@Rents66 As far as I'm concerned I have already proven my side. My side of things yields results that everyone can see and use. Your side is very subjective and opened to many interpretations. Its funny because I was actually warned against conversing with you by others because it was said that you are a brick. So nothing I would say would convince you anyway. WHICH IS WHAT I SAID MANY POSTS AGO.
@rationalwarrior True enough, it does take someone saying something to me in a way as to talk me off of it to change my mind, the problem is most of the time if it does come back as truth it is at a later dated, I am sorry for the heated bit of our exchange and I very much liked chatting with you tonight.
Great Video! Many Christians honestly think that things like the theory of evolution are dangerous ideas that will plunge us into moral darkness and decay. It is not so much they don't believe that it is true. It has more to do that they think that it is harmful to civilization. The christians have elected themselves as guardians of human moral values. They firmly believe that THEY and they alone have clear moral thinking. Many christians that think this way are also part of the "ownership" clas
@KasparHauser5 Apparently the Christians aren't the only ones that have a fear of science. The new agers have it as well. Oh sure they like to cloak themselves in the trappings of science. But they actually hate the scientific method because of it's power to debunk their claims as well.
the world in for an inevitable advancement in technology. I don't think science is bad but it is not some metatheory at whos feet every point of view from astrology, channeling, and every religious philosophy knee be laid to have the hand of science to give it the award of reality, this is world view this is a belief in physial reality and rational thought processes, this runs counter the experience as I perceive it.
@Rents66 The whole point of this video is that none of that esoteric drivel gives us any kind of result. It's that feel good, pseudo-intellectual, murky double talk that doesn't serve us at all. This is why it should be abandoned. IT DOESN'T WORK. You can light candles and incense until your house fills with smoke but none of that stuff is as amazing to me as the turning on of a light switch.
@rationalwarrior I understand, but to say that these things do not work is your opinion, it works for some and not for others, and you can take the point of view that science helps everybody, but I would counter that this is humans helping themselves and if we did not have the dogma of science to tell us that the other things that we experience cannot be discussed on the same level as there is no science behind it is, this is the worship of science rather then the use of it.
@Rents66 If it is not consistent it does not carry the same weight. We learned how the flow of electricity worked...not by praying but by observation and experimentation. Therefore everytime I hit my light switch I get light. When I don't there is always a reason that can be found and corrected. The very idea that prayers and chanting works for some people and not others is not only unscientific but it is proof of it being sprung from the imagination of man.
All of this is sprung for the imagination of man, as for how we discovered electricity, you take 1000 measurements you throw out the high and the low if they are way off the average and then you take the average and you call it a constant flow, so what creates the need for an average? The fact that it is not a constant, what does science say to explain the variance from one measurement to the other, nothing , it is a law of averages, this throws out the time and place of the measurement....
....and why does it do this? Because we do not have tools to read what effect the time and place have on the experiment, therefore to science it is not explained.
@Rents66 You and I will never agree to any of this. We have different standards of evidence. I'm going with what works. I refuse to put faith in things that can't be demonstrated as having an effect. If astral projection and astrology work for you please demonstrate it to the rest of the scientific community. They don't argue with things that can be proven.
@rationalwarrior We may never agree, but to say that things that cannot be proven to your system of your world view is to give the system the ability to discredit your own experience, I do not know how you can experience a dream in a way to prove it's real to science in a physical way as it is not a physical experince, to me the important part of the dream is the part that science cannot understand which to my experience means I will not be using science to talk about this experience.
@Rents66 Except that my experience is that science works. You can't just assume that my experience is less valid then yours. Especially when I can demonstrate evidence of mine that not only I can see, but everyone else can see as well. While your experiences are only real to you because you cannot demonstrate it with any consistency.
@rationalwarrior It works for me too, on a indivdual basis in subjects that I can understand and use, as for the ones that I do not understand or I am ignorant to, for me to say that they are more real than my experiences that cannot be verified by other people would be to give science the power of being reality rather than a tool that I use to help navigate my experience and in this it becomes belief.
@Rents66 But if your not USING the tool of science how can it help you navigate? It is also ok for you to admit to not knowing. It's the first step to knowledge. It seems to me that you have a problem with not knowing something so you fill the gap with supernatural explanations. Science cannot answer everything yet...it's true. But that's still no excuse to insert an explanation that you cannot prove and assert it as fact.
@rationalwarrior It helps me navigate when it is used but it is not the only tool in the shed, let me ask you something , who am I proving my reality to? In my eyes this is the cultural myth of sciecne that we must all have the same understanding of the world so as to be easier to manipulate it does not ring true to me that I have to prove my experience to anybody, I mean it is fun to talk about and bounce off the other experiences but if you can't see it, I say oh well.
@Rents66 No you don't have to prove anything if you don't wish for other people to accept your claim. But if you do expect others to accept your claim (and I suspect you do or we wouldn't even be having this exchange) have the decency to present evidence for your claims. If you cannot then you really can't blame someone for being skeptical. For if not for skepticism we would believe any and everything.
@rationalwarrior Again you want "evidence" using your world view, I cannot explain that the god of the bible does not exist using the bible, I could give you a technique to experience things outside of physcial realty that has absolute repeatabilty and it still would not be real to a science, as it is outside of the paradigm of science as realtiy.
@Rents66 And I don't see any reason why I should abandon something that works for something I've never seen work. But ok I'll bite. Show me the technique that will let me experience things outside or the physical reality. So that I may test it's validity.
@rationalwarrior Again I do not advocate the abandining of you world view, I simply am saying that it can be used with other things to explain the experience as a whole rather then as a physical body, when you say you have never seen it work, I think one cuts out reality based on the firewall of thier world view, in other words you can only see that which you perceive as a possibilit.
@rationalwarrior This is how all systems are, if you believe in them they are crystal clear truth, this is why I use all of the systems, they are like jigsaws with a little message of "truth" or maybe self truth or understanding that have to be pieced together otherwise I feel as though I will not be able to put it together at all.
@rationalwarrior Your system is like this in my eyes too, as I have to use your system to prove that it is real, if I am using science to prove science than it doesn't make sence at all. :)
@Rents66 You not using science to prove science. Your using science to obtain information about the world around you. It's a method. And you know it works because you use the products of it in your everyday life....which is the point of the video. You use your phone, car, medicine, indoor plumbing and tv which was given to you by science and it's tangible. Yet in your own way you seek to undermine it by suggesting to people that it is not reliable.
You are now asserting my argument for me, I did not undermine science, I gave it a place in my experinece that is not as lofty as you put it in yours, it is a tool of mine to help me navigate the experience. I say it is reliable for information on one level of experience and it doesn't and cannot partipate in some other levels of my experience.
@Rents66 It sounds to me that you are asserting that because science can't explain something right now, that means it must have a supernatural explanation. But history tells us that nearly everything that we thought had a supernatural explanation turned out to have a natural one that we just hadn't discovered yet. So since this is the case I say given enough time and honest diligent scientists will eventually find out why. They have a great track record.
@rationalwarrior Not supernatural, natural, and this to me sounds like I could assume that what I experience will be proven by your understanding of science, and If I assume this then I have to assert that once your gurus explain what is going on that it will be real to you where I do not need a guru to explain my reality is real, I do not think this but it is on track with what you are saying about your belief in science.
@Rents66 I don't have gurus. Scientists are not gurus, preachers, clergy. They do the work that the rest of us don't or can't. They don't ask that you believe anything. They don't hide any of the work or how they came about finding out what they know. You can perform the exact same experiments that they do and come up with the same result.
@rationalwarrior That would be true if you had in fact done all the experiments that you give the award of reality to, now if you are taking their word for it as they have the tools and the resources to have done the experience, you are in fact believing in something that a guru type figure has asserted, then you take the track record of new ideas being added to previous ideas to complete them or make them even more understood and this is a belief in something that has not been proven to you.
@Rents66 Even if the scientists discover the cause of your hallucinations that doesn't mean that the information would support your claim of their origins.
@rationalwarrior Agreed and I would not need them to, this is the great thing about my system is it need no witneses I am my witness I am the one having the experience and my understanding of it evolves with each new thing connected or old belief shed, I do not need science or religion or the education system to tell me what is real.
@rationalwarrior I would say that science can figure out the things that manifest from the other in a physical way, or if they develop a tool that reads the energy field, this may have already happened but it will take a paradigm shift or someone with an outside view of the evidence as would call it to show what it really means.
@Rents66 Also with the scientific method you don't need belief. I don't need to believe in gravity for me to be subject to it's affects. Your supernatural stuff appears ONLY to work with belief.
@Rents66 And nothing is "inevitable" about advancement. People work and research hard to get knowledge. No amount of prayer or spell casting or chanting has as much power as humans using their rational, critically thinking, brains to find out what's real. At the end of the day it's all we have EVER been proven to have. I have no wish to go back to the dark ages where fear and rune stones rule the day.
@rationalwarrior Without science we do not fall into the dark ages, science is a manmade structure that has been elivated to the newest relgion or world view, in my view if you could find a way to take away the institution of science and allow the people who have passions in specific fields to do the experiments it would benifit man even more, it is the same as the difference between the philosophy of man vs religion, the systems are world views and they are there to keep status quo.
@Rents66 That's exactly my point. The supernatural is also man made. Religion is also man made. God is man made. My point is that out of all of the man made constructs, science serves us better. And history does not bear out what you say because it was the age of reason that ended the dark ages. And this institution of science is what keeps junk science from progressing. Checks and balances.
The idealism of the institution does this, the men involved give it that all so modern human flaw of reputation building greed and need for importance based on careers that have believed in a notion for so long that they will not fund new thought processes, this is the reason why science does not connect dots between fields, it is compartmentalized and nobody at least nobody that is talking about it openly to the public is connecting the dots, our keepers may know.
@Rents66 Dude according to the AAAS there are 5.8 million scientist in the world. There are thousands in every field. Individuals who check behind each others work depending on the field. This is as it should be. It's funny how the people who lack evidence are the ones who resent having their claims disputed.
Rationalism and scientific method came out of the wish to glorify god and his creation through appriciation of his natural world, this turned into a sort of pact of people who started to believe that physical world is reality. Leading to the current social and political impath that stock piles mass amounts of atomic weapons, huge propagandized populations cut off from any understanding of thier real histories a male dominated sturctures applying thier message of lethal destruction of .........
@Rents66 Your gonna need to present evidence for this claim. Aristotle introduced what may be called the scientific method. Prove to me that he did it for the glorification of a deity. Isn't it ironic that you seem only to be able to see the negative (atomic bombs) and not the vast positive examples (such as you being able to spread your distaste for science using a tool given by science) yet assert that the rest of US are cut off from any understanding.
@rationalwarrior I was speaking more of the modern notion of science as in Des Cartes on for instance his notion of using scale to navigate the world was given to him in a dream by an angelic figure. As for only seeing the negitive that is not true I am using the possitive right now, but to give science the award for all human advancement is putting the cart before the horse in my view as it is humans that create these things not science, and man is both good and evil.
@Rents66 Science is not some abstract energy that is exists outside of us. It's simply a method of finding out things. Des Cartes can make all of the claims he likes about angelic figures but we KNOW about the minds ability to dream. That is not evidence that angels exist. And this is the problem. The great impasse. People who think like you see stuff like that as evidence. People who think like me reject that sort of thing as evidence. Prayer advanced nothing.
Again the world view asserts what existance is, instead of using science and the world view of to explain what happen on a physical level in a dream, "which in my opinion is not explained either" does not mean that the valididy of its reality is automatically known, only its pysical nature now, if you believre that the physical nature of things is reality and nothing else can be at this level of realtiy, this is the world view of the culture of science or what I would call a dogma of science.
@Rents66 All of these things that you assert as true should be evident to all. You and I don't have to argue about what the sun is composed of or water displacement. If these things you assert are true...produce evidence of them.
@rationalwarrior No you don't have to argue about the Sun or Water, but people could, and how is this? Depending on the understanding of the subject at hand and the words used to descibe these things are different on a individual level, no one can understand everything that you say is evident to all as none of us have the ability to understand all subjects in the same way as the people who understand it best, and again you want evidence according to your world view, not all things work.....
@Rents66 The sun is composed of hydrogen and helium. Anyone who doesn't understand this should be taught how we know it to be true. So when people argue about this it is out of ignorance. We should not disrespect each other's intellect by attempting them to accept things for which there is no proof. It demeans all of us.
@rationalwarrior Again, you are using the word evidence, and the only way in your understanding of reality to show evidence is through measurement and physical understanding, to say that it is real is true enough to say that it is the essence of the ture nature of all things is a world view, I don't know how else to explain this, it is like when the Christian tells you the bible says it is true so it must be, and then you ask well how do you know and he says God wrote the bible, how do you know?
"continued" Because the bible says so, do you see you are saying Science can prove it using science, then from a point of view that science is the understanding of reality in a physical and measurable way but this is not the only way to experience reality as I experience reality daily without a measurement being taken therfore I have to say that there are other types of reality that are more important to my experience that science says is not reality, this to me is just like religion.
@Rents66 Nope.....not gonna let you slide with that. Bad analogy. That applies more to your view then mine. The bible demands faith in it's validity. So do you because you place no emphasis on evidence. You merely assert things and expect them to be believed. The scientific method is all about proving your hypothesis so it's not expecting anyone to have faith in any claims.
I do not demand anything, you have to keep in mind that science is real, and can be proven using science, you cannot prove that which is outside of scientific or physical reality using science, the only way that you have to prove things to science or to anyone is if you believe that science or collective understanding is the basis for reality and not even science can claim that the entire group can or does understand all of science, it is a belief if you do not understand it.
@rationalwarrior After all what good does understanding do you if it is not you that understands it, there are some cases where it make could make life easier but again that does not mean we understand it as a whole.
It's much easier to just thank a single imaginary person that had nothing to do with it than to credit the almost innumerable people working quietly in the background to make our lives better. I often take the achievements of science for granted, and I'm a Biology student.
Had to add this to Favored Videos. Would it be all right if I used a quote from here on my channel page? "It does not benefit scientists to lie to you."
The way science is done is we ask questions and we let nature give us the answers. Religions claim to know the answers already and what ever nature says, they say is unimportant.
So true.. It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter whose making the argument. What matters is the strength of the evidence that we can all come together and share.
@skeletonmf This is an ironic (correction, HYPOCRITICAL) statement coming from someone who clearly is irrationally "skeptical" of science. Believing something that is objectively false in the face of direct evidence is the very definition of delusion.
@TheNewRenaissance No that was slang. By saying I'm the "illest" skeptic what was actually being said was that I'm the best. Skeletonmf is a fan of science as well. But thanks for standing up.
@wwwATHEISTATOMcom Thanks my friend. I'm trying to communicate in a way that everyone can understand. Besides there are other atheist on youtube that do the high brow stuff much better then I could.
People prayed for god to deliver them from plagues such as small pox and sleeping sickness for centuries. When science solved the problem they went to church to thank god for delivering them. Arrrgh.
@macnutz Yes it's frustrating. None of their prayers were answered for a cure to any of the sicknesses you mentioned. And once science found the cure they went right back to the supernatural and gave science none of the credit.
science is a ruthless meritocracy, with no expectations of loyalty. in short, it pits students against students, students against teachers, teachers against teachers in an endless competition to be the most free of error, and the most thorough in collection, examination, and application of evidence. that is how science works, and that is precisely why it works.
craigore2011 5 months ago
I love the suggestion that theories accepted by scientists working to debunk them the world over are nothing more than part of a sinister global conspiracy. I couldn't imagine anything more ridiculous, as trying to get millions of scientists to agree to something they honestly don't is worse than herding cats. It takes a total lack of understanding of who scientists are and how they work, and worse, a total obliviousness to how untenable the views of those who suggest it may in fact be.
craigore2011 5 months ago
@craigore2011 Absolutely. Just recently I had a theist attempt to convince me of some worldwide conspiracy by scientists to suppress information. It's absurd.
rationalwarrior 5 months ago
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Well if paranoid people want to make that argument I suggest they check out this post on freethought blogs pharyngula/2011/11/02/the-incredible-self-destructing-psychologist/#comments
Here's an example of what can happen when scientists try to 'suppress' or in this case use fictitious data.
craigore2011 4 months ago
@craigore2011 Totally agree to. i was arguing the other day, with a friend of mine that doubts Carbon dating.... She thought it was somehow a conspiracy. So I explained to her that the scientific world is one of the most rigourous evidence-wise. Doubt and skepticism are the norm. For a theory to be proven and to be widely accepted, and to have my friend who only has a BA in communications tell me that, oh...she just doesn't believe it. I was like: Are you for real? O_o
Alineniz 4 months ago
She also told me that she had no idea I was an atheist, because atheists have dark eyes as they have no soul....I mean WTF!!!! Then I re-evaluated my friendship with her... lol!
Alineniz 4 months ago
@Alineniz
well, nobody has a soul, just egos which disappear after we die apparently... and yeah, I'd definitely re-evaluate that friendship.
craigore2011 4 months ago
P.s you never really see physical people that actually make a living making this world better on the news its always some super star or celeb. I feel sorry for those people who strive to create a better living for the rest
kysmelmonge 8 months ago
@kysmelmonge Yeah. And these people who work hard to make life better get constantly attacked and insulted by religious folks. They take advantage of the tech but give no respect to the people who developed it. It's really shameful.
rationalwarrior 7 months ago
@kysmelmonge Have you heard of Norman Borlaug? He saved people from starvation. Some say up to 1 Billion people. He invented new forms of wheat and was a proponent of GM to make even more resistant and productive strains of wheat. And yet people only started hearing about him when Penn and Teller mentioned him on BULLSHIT!. It's a great shame that he languishes in obscurity while celebrity idiots get airtime.
micmac274 5 months ago
Lol toilet! Thank goodness for those
kysmelmonge 8 months ago
2:20 Harry Potter is absolutely the best book out of those 4. It even has the best message.
Al3xX420 8 months ago
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Fantastic!! You were entertaining and enlightening in your promotion of science over nonsense. Thank you.
Seasurf88 8 months ago
Fantastic!! You were entertaining and enlightening in your promotion of science over nonsense. Thank you.
Seasurf88 8 months ago
Science has served us, prayer...not so much...or at all.
MannyfromCanada 9 months ago
Oh my God! Oni Possession!
CrazySatanicInfidel 1 year ago
Oh yeah?! Well, I'll have you know I had a tiny dingaling and then after praying real hard I'm now in possession of this....... shit! Fuck you, God! Fuck you!!!
JesusCockInAllahAss 1 year ago
This sounds so much like thunderf00t
hhfleury 1 year ago
Prayer works just like it says. God might do what you want, god might not, and god might do it later. You could pray to a gallon of juice and it would work!!
Seanze329 1 year ago
2:24 (and in a lot of other places in the video) the earth is spinning the wrong way
MrLetmepeeinyourbutt 1 year ago
@MrLetmepeeinyourbutt LOL!
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
LOL at the toilet at 0:20 - so cool to call it a great achievement.
lizzy310589 1 year ago
@lizzy310589 Toilets saved lots of lives as did the sewer :-) and we just piss and shit on their live saving qualities :-(
FHomeBrew 1 year ago
@FHomeBrew Oh, I agree. I just never thought of it that way.
lizzy310589 1 year ago
I told a christian co-worker that I have had many talks and debates with over religion god and science, when he had a really bad tooth ache and was looking for a dentist, I told him don't go to the dentist, pray because god will answer you lol. We should use the scientific method for social concern. That's applying it's methods to our society. If we did that, you can say bye-bye to so much nonsense.
moety2 1 year ago
If prayer worked, doctors would be out of business.
HybridD91 1 year ago 28
@HybridD91 AMEN!!!!!!
TSPOWELL89 1 year ago
Where'd you get that video of the earth spinning?
mang0scang0 1 year ago
@mang0scang0 I lifted it off o this website that sells keyed footage for video editing. I got explosions, gunshots, rain fx etc. Some I paid for, some they gave away for free.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Do you still know where the site is? I'd love that as a video wallpaper. love your stuff btw.
mang0scang0 1 year ago
@mang0scang0 Let me check my bookmarks.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@mang0scang0 I think it was absolutely wild visuals com.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior
Did you meant to imply traveling back in time with that video?
futureorreligion 1 year ago
some people need autotune to sound like there singing while talking, you've proven that you don't always need one! Also auto-tune is neat scientific invention that while makes some accidental singers has got us an even better sonar picture of our ocean floors.
whydid666 1 year ago
great video. It pisses me off when people attack science but of course wants the results of science. Being a scientist I have been attacked for it with people thinking I'm some evil scientist when they know nothing about what I do. It really pisses me off especially when most scientist are usually trying to help society, through technology, medical breakthrough or just adding to our knowledge which the same people who think I'm some evil scientist have no problem taking advantage of it
vnorthru 1 year ago
@GrudgyDiablo Yes....yes it does indeed rock! I love my PS3. LOL
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
Lawl toilet.
lemonlimeGOD 1 year ago
@lemonlimeGOD LOL Hey I saw this documentary about old castles and they mentioned what they had to use to go to the bathroom. Sitting on cold stone in a cold castle had to have sucked big time. Made me appreciate the toilet. LOL
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
I'm going to feature this video. Good stuff.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Thank you that's great!.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior I gave it a day, at least. Sorry it didn't get more time, but I had to put up NonStampCollector's new video today.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 That's fine. Non-Stampcollector has a new one? I missed it. What's it called?
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Hitler The Atheist (game show).
watch?v=YP_iNCGH9kY
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
This sums up exactly what pisses me off about creationists and why I make my videos. The sheer hypocrisy of their happily using all of the fruits of science and the work of scientists while at the same time pissing all over them in favor of their ridiculous stories really makes my blood boil. Well said!
TheLivingDinosaur 1 year ago
@TheLivingDinosaur It's really ridiculous isn't it. They will accept the benefits of the scientific method but deny it's value when it is applied to their belief system.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
The thing about the old days and old methods that I think trumps progress is sustainability. You contrasted a tractor with a horse and a plow. Ok. If we run out of fossil fuel, the tractor won't be very useful but the horse and the plow will. A lot of farmers are going back to the old methods. Look at the Amish. If disaster strikes, its just another day for them. Makes no difference. Faster isn't always better.
SonistheFatherofMan 1 year ago
@SonistheFatherofMan True. But your assuming that we won't eventually discover a better source of fuel. It's in our nature to learn and get better at doing things. We don't just stay with the same thing. Necessity is the mother of invention. Man's ingenuity is amazing. Don't sell us short.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior True and we already have solar and wind power which is amazing but the future looks dim. We can't produce enough to sustain ourselves and then there's the problem of pollution (disposal of garbage). The earth is finite.
Its about allocation of resources and scarcity and to move the human race into a more sustainable direction when most of us live in cities is unfathomable.
SonistheFatherofMan 1 year ago
@SonistheFatherofMan You know the other thing is that oil companies suppress any new sources of energy by lobbying politicians to only support them. This is a problem that we will have to overcome in order to break our addiction to fossil fuels.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior That's possible since they've already invested heavily in the infrastructure to harvest, refine, deliver, and utilize fossil fuels. Also, the cost of moving society from fossil to renewable (i.e., changing the infrastructure) is astronomical. Its not an easy proposition by any means. But fossil fuel based systems are not sustainable whereas renewable energy is.
SonistheFatherofMan 1 year ago
Exactly! Perfectly said/done rationalwarrior ★★★★★
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Katalyzt 1 year ago
Great Video RW
Smh and lmao @ the exchange. Sad.
flawlessjewels 1 year ago
@flawlessjewels LOL Yeah that was going on all night until like 5am.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
Great video, rationalwarrior.
Saukko31 1 year ago
I mean if things are not what YOU think they are then what are they?
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 I can think the sun is a big ball of cheese but that doesn't make it true. I think it's the height of arrogance to think that just because you assert something that makes it objectively true. It's also dangerous. I can think that the car riding down the street is made of paper but that would not make it true so when it hits me, the reality of it will present itself.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Agreed, ignorance about physical things can have adverse effects on the physical body or if nothing else on your understanding of the physical world, I think the same could be said of the phsychic realm, if you are ignorant to the ways of the energy, dow, love, whatever you want to call the cosmic giggle, then it will have adverse effects on your abiltity to navigate this area of the experience.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 See that's the part that doesn't make any sense. I do not acknowledge the psychic realm at all. Mostly because I have never heard a consistent definition of it. And yet I'm not observing any problems with love or anything of that nature. As my wife will attest to. She doesn't acknowledge either and yet we love one another and our kids. Explain.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior The reason for this in my eyes is that the psychic realm is an experience and words do not do justice to the experience, whenever something that is truly great happens in your life you use words to explain the experience to others, this in no way gives others the experience, definitions are symbolic contructs not experiences, as for your love, you experience it so you believe it, you believe in love, now what love is, is a fantastic subject.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 I believe that it is a biological construct. There is evidence to support this as well. I also looked up DMT and it's a drug dude. A drug that makes you hallucinate. No thanks.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior It is a drug that you take every night. As it is the chemical that causes dreams, it metabolizes in 30 minutes with no negitive side effects, and you because your cutlure says it is a drug will never experience this vehicle to the other, read the study by Dr. Rick Strausman on this "drug" if you allow the people who run your community to tell you what your restraints are then science makes sense as the only source for understanding the experience.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 I'm reading it right now. See here is the problem. This naturally occurring drug is fine in the dosage that your brain creates but anytime you attempt to add to you body's biochemicals you create an unbalance. Just like THC in weed. It occurs naturally in the brain but smoking weed increases the natural dosage causing that high feeling.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Yes but THC has long term effects on the body and mind, this "drug" doesn't.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 That is not relevant. If you are using a drug to create these experiences it is not valid. That's what psychedelic drugs do. I don't advocate drug use to my kids so why would I do it. This explains much.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Define drugs? I mean sugar, Caffine, Alchohol, tobbaco, Cocoa, these things are all drugs, now if you are talking legality, then you have to do research into why some drugs are illegal and some are not, or you are just saying that my controllers know what they are talking about and have my best interstests in mind when such things are made illegal.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Not even going to play that semantic game with you. You know full well what I mean by drug as well as the difference in caffeine and tobacco and crack or dope. Apparently you have controllers as well as you did not do all of the experiments that you accept are true yourself. You can't rattle me with that nonsense. You also can't convince me that people who study this stuff know less about it then you.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
There is no differenec in tobacco and Alchohol and crack and dope, these are very similar drugs that do kill thousands every year, now I would not call it semantics the question of why some drugs are illegal and some are legal as it is clearly not based on public safety in my opinion.
I do not assert that my reality has to be accepted by all or understood by any, you claim that your reality IS reality for all and I just do not see it that way and I have yet to here a thing to change my mind.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 You already have. You already acknowledged that science is a tool that you use to help you navigate thru one level of your experience. I have only experienced the reality that the scientific method helped to define. I make no claims to anything else but to the stuff you already acknowledged. I get where your at now and we can discontinue this conversation.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior I already have what?
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 This finally explains alot of the stuff I've been hearing from you and about you. You are defintiely being controlled. By a controlled substance. I grew up in the hood. I have and had family members addicted to almost any drug you can find. You mean to tell me that you I have to go out and experience crack for myself to say it's bad? Bullocks.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
Again you assert a point try to win a winless debate, I in now way advocated crack, if you wish you can try to give me a point that is obviously obsurd and in no way endorsed by me or you can explain how I am wrong using your own experience, it is your call, and up until this point when I touched something close to home in your experience you have been very civil but this is not what I am saying at all.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 I used that as an example because you seem to think that no one can accept anything unless they experiment with it themselves. It's an absurd idea so I demonstrated absurdity by being absurd. Goodnight.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
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Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Your playing games again. You say things like I'm being controlled by gurs as if that wouldn't be insulting to an atheist but then cry foul when I turn the tables on you about your use of drugs.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior You are right that is an accurate description of some of the last few comments, I did throw out the guru world as a buzz word to get at you, and I am sorry for that, it was a good chat and I want to thank you for your time.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 As far as I'm concerned I have already proven my side. My side of things yields results that everyone can see and use. Your side is very subjective and opened to many interpretations. Its funny because I was actually warned against conversing with you by others because it was said that you are a brick. So nothing I would say would convince you anyway. WHICH IS WHAT I SAID MANY POSTS AGO.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior True enough, it does take someone saying something to me in a way as to talk me off of it to change my mind, the problem is most of the time if it does come back as truth it is at a later dated, I am sorry for the heated bit of our exchange and I very much liked chatting with you tonight.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 No problem. Debates get heated at times. It was fun just the same but it's late where I'm at so I will talk to you later.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior True it is late here too, thanks for being understanding, you seem like a good dude.
Rents66 1 year ago
And for the record I do not use these substances at all these days, it is from past experience from which I speak.
Rents66 1 year ago
SCIENCE!! FUCK YEAH!! For without it, our slowly brightening sun will boil us from our world, and we are a dead race.
LordSlag 1 year ago
@LordSlag We only have about 500,000,000 years to get it done.
deepashtray 1 year ago
Great Video! Many Christians honestly think that things like the theory of evolution are dangerous ideas that will plunge us into moral darkness and decay. It is not so much they don't believe that it is true. It has more to do that they think that it is harmful to civilization. The christians have elected themselves as guardians of human moral values. They firmly believe that THEY and they alone have clear moral thinking. Many christians that think this way are also part of the "ownership" clas
KasparHauser5 1 year ago
@KasparHauser5 Apparently the Christians aren't the only ones that have a fear of science. The new agers have it as well. Oh sure they like to cloak themselves in the trappings of science. But they actually hate the scientific method because of it's power to debunk their claims as well.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
the world in for an inevitable advancement in technology. I don't think science is bad but it is not some metatheory at whos feet every point of view from astrology, channeling, and every religious philosophy knee be laid to have the hand of science to give it the award of reality, this is world view this is a belief in physial reality and rational thought processes, this runs counter the experience as I perceive it.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 The whole point of this video is that none of that esoteric drivel gives us any kind of result. It's that feel good, pseudo-intellectual, murky double talk that doesn't serve us at all. This is why it should be abandoned. IT DOESN'T WORK. You can light candles and incense until your house fills with smoke but none of that stuff is as amazing to me as the turning on of a light switch.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior I understand, but to say that these things do not work is your opinion, it works for some and not for others, and you can take the point of view that science helps everybody, but I would counter that this is humans helping themselves and if we did not have the dogma of science to tell us that the other things that we experience cannot be discussed on the same level as there is no science behind it is, this is the worship of science rather then the use of it.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 If it is not consistent it does not carry the same weight. We learned how the flow of electricity worked...not by praying but by observation and experimentation. Therefore everytime I hit my light switch I get light. When I don't there is always a reason that can be found and corrected. The very idea that prayers and chanting works for some people and not others is not only unscientific but it is proof of it being sprung from the imagination of man.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
All of this is sprung for the imagination of man, as for how we discovered electricity, you take 1000 measurements you throw out the high and the low if they are way off the average and then you take the average and you call it a constant flow, so what creates the need for an average? The fact that it is not a constant, what does science say to explain the variance from one measurement to the other, nothing , it is a law of averages, this throws out the time and place of the measurement....
Rents66 1 year ago
....and why does it do this? Because we do not have tools to read what effect the time and place have on the experiment, therefore to science it is not explained.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 You and I will never agree to any of this. We have different standards of evidence. I'm going with what works. I refuse to put faith in things that can't be demonstrated as having an effect. If astral projection and astrology work for you please demonstrate it to the rest of the scientific community. They don't argue with things that can be proven.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior We may never agree, but to say that things that cannot be proven to your system of your world view is to give the system the ability to discredit your own experience, I do not know how you can experience a dream in a way to prove it's real to science in a physical way as it is not a physical experince, to me the important part of the dream is the part that science cannot understand which to my experience means I will not be using science to talk about this experience.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Except that my experience is that science works. You can't just assume that my experience is less valid then yours. Especially when I can demonstrate evidence of mine that not only I can see, but everyone else can see as well. While your experiences are only real to you because you cannot demonstrate it with any consistency.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior It works for me too, on a indivdual basis in subjects that I can understand and use, as for the ones that I do not understand or I am ignorant to, for me to say that they are more real than my experiences that cannot be verified by other people would be to give science the power of being reality rather than a tool that I use to help navigate my experience and in this it becomes belief.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 But if your not USING the tool of science how can it help you navigate? It is also ok for you to admit to not knowing. It's the first step to knowledge. It seems to me that you have a problem with not knowing something so you fill the gap with supernatural explanations. Science cannot answer everything yet...it's true. But that's still no excuse to insert an explanation that you cannot prove and assert it as fact.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior It helps me navigate when it is used but it is not the only tool in the shed, let me ask you something , who am I proving my reality to? In my eyes this is the cultural myth of sciecne that we must all have the same understanding of the world so as to be easier to manipulate it does not ring true to me that I have to prove my experience to anybody, I mean it is fun to talk about and bounce off the other experiences but if you can't see it, I say oh well.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 No you don't have to prove anything if you don't wish for other people to accept your claim. But if you do expect others to accept your claim (and I suspect you do or we wouldn't even be having this exchange) have the decency to present evidence for your claims. If you cannot then you really can't blame someone for being skeptical. For if not for skepticism we would believe any and everything.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Again you want "evidence" using your world view, I cannot explain that the god of the bible does not exist using the bible, I could give you a technique to experience things outside of physcial realty that has absolute repeatabilty and it still would not be real to a science, as it is outside of the paradigm of science as realtiy.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 And I don't see any reason why I should abandon something that works for something I've never seen work. But ok I'll bite. Show me the technique that will let me experience things outside or the physical reality. So that I may test it's validity.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Again I do not advocate the abandining of you world view, I simply am saying that it can be used with other things to explain the experience as a whole rather then as a physical body, when you say you have never seen it work, I think one cuts out reality based on the firewall of thier world view, in other words you can only see that which you perceive as a possibilit.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 That sounds real shaky. Kind of like when Christians assert that you won't understand the bible unless you already believe in it.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior This is how all systems are, if you believe in them they are crystal clear truth, this is why I use all of the systems, they are like jigsaws with a little message of "truth" or maybe self truth or understanding that have to be pieced together otherwise I feel as though I will not be able to put it together at all.
Rents66 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Your system is like this in my eyes too, as I have to use your system to prove that it is real, if I am using science to prove science than it doesn't make sence at all. :)
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 You not using science to prove science. Your using science to obtain information about the world around you. It's a method. And you know it works because you use the products of it in your everyday life....which is the point of the video. You use your phone, car, medicine, indoor plumbing and tv which was given to you by science and it's tangible. Yet in your own way you seek to undermine it by suggesting to people that it is not reliable.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
You are now asserting my argument for me, I did not undermine science, I gave it a place in my experinece that is not as lofty as you put it in yours, it is a tool of mine to help me navigate the experience. I say it is reliable for information on one level of experience and it doesn't and cannot partipate in some other levels of my experience.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 I'm sorry but that's how I am experiencing your position.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Explain, how am I saying science is unreliable?
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 It sounds to me that you are asserting that because science can't explain something right now, that means it must have a supernatural explanation. But history tells us that nearly everything that we thought had a supernatural explanation turned out to have a natural one that we just hadn't discovered yet. So since this is the case I say given enough time and honest diligent scientists will eventually find out why. They have a great track record.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Not supernatural, natural, and this to me sounds like I could assume that what I experience will be proven by your understanding of science, and If I assume this then I have to assert that once your gurus explain what is going on that it will be real to you where I do not need a guru to explain my reality is real, I do not think this but it is on track with what you are saying about your belief in science.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 I don't have gurus. Scientists are not gurus, preachers, clergy. They do the work that the rest of us don't or can't. They don't ask that you believe anything. They don't hide any of the work or how they came about finding out what they know. You can perform the exact same experiments that they do and come up with the same result.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior That would be true if you had in fact done all the experiments that you give the award of reality to, now if you are taking their word for it as they have the tools and the resources to have done the experience, you are in fact believing in something that a guru type figure has asserted, then you take the track record of new ideas being added to previous ideas to complete them or make them even more understood and this is a belief in something that has not been proven to you.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Even if the scientists discover the cause of your hallucinations that doesn't mean that the information would support your claim of their origins.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Agreed and I would not need them to, this is the great thing about my system is it need no witneses I am my witness I am the one having the experience and my understanding of it evolves with each new thing connected or old belief shed, I do not need science or religion or the education system to tell me what is real.
Rents66 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior I would say that science can figure out the things that manifest from the other in a physical way, or if they develop a tool that reads the energy field, this may have already happened but it will take a paradigm shift or someone with an outside view of the evidence as would call it to show what it really means.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Also with the scientific method you don't need belief. I don't need to believe in gravity for me to be subject to it's affects. Your supernatural stuff appears ONLY to work with belief.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@Rents66 DMT, look it up if you have 10 minutes to do an experiment and you can come out of it and say that it is not real, I will listen and debate.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 "DMT"? Gotcha.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@Rents66 And nothing is "inevitable" about advancement. People work and research hard to get knowledge. No amount of prayer or spell casting or chanting has as much power as humans using their rational, critically thinking, brains to find out what's real. At the end of the day it's all we have EVER been proven to have. I have no wish to go back to the dark ages where fear and rune stones rule the day.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Without science we do not fall into the dark ages, science is a manmade structure that has been elivated to the newest relgion or world view, in my view if you could find a way to take away the institution of science and allow the people who have passions in specific fields to do the experiments it would benifit man even more, it is the same as the difference between the philosophy of man vs religion, the systems are world views and they are there to keep status quo.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 That's exactly my point. The supernatural is also man made. Religion is also man made. God is man made. My point is that out of all of the man made constructs, science serves us better. And history does not bear out what you say because it was the age of reason that ended the dark ages. And this institution of science is what keeps junk science from progressing. Checks and balances.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
The idealism of the institution does this, the men involved give it that all so modern human flaw of reputation building greed and need for importance based on careers that have believed in a notion for so long that they will not fund new thought processes, this is the reason why science does not connect dots between fields, it is compartmentalized and nobody at least nobody that is talking about it openly to the public is connecting the dots, our keepers may know.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Dude according to the AAAS there are 5.8 million scientist in the world. There are thousands in every field. Individuals who check behind each others work depending on the field. This is as it should be. It's funny how the people who lack evidence are the ones who resent having their claims disputed.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
Rationalism and scientific method came out of the wish to glorify god and his creation through appriciation of his natural world, this turned into a sort of pact of people who started to believe that physical world is reality. Leading to the current social and political impath that stock piles mass amounts of atomic weapons, huge propagandized populations cut off from any understanding of thier real histories a male dominated sturctures applying thier message of lethal destruction of .........
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Your gonna need to present evidence for this claim. Aristotle introduced what may be called the scientific method. Prove to me that he did it for the glorification of a deity. Isn't it ironic that you seem only to be able to see the negative (atomic bombs) and not the vast positive examples (such as you being able to spread your distaste for science using a tool given by science) yet assert that the rest of US are cut off from any understanding.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior I was speaking more of the modern notion of science as in Des Cartes on for instance his notion of using scale to navigate the world was given to him in a dream by an angelic figure. As for only seeing the negitive that is not true I am using the possitive right now, but to give science the award for all human advancement is putting the cart before the horse in my view as it is humans that create these things not science, and man is both good and evil.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Science is not some abstract energy that is exists outside of us. It's simply a method of finding out things. Des Cartes can make all of the claims he likes about angelic figures but we KNOW about the minds ability to dream. That is not evidence that angels exist. And this is the problem. The great impasse. People who think like you see stuff like that as evidence. People who think like me reject that sort of thing as evidence. Prayer advanced nothing.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
Again the world view asserts what existance is, instead of using science and the world view of to explain what happen on a physical level in a dream, "which in my opinion is not explained either" does not mean that the valididy of its reality is automatically known, only its pysical nature now, if you believre that the physical nature of things is reality and nothing else can be at this level of realtiy, this is the world view of the culture of science or what I would call a dogma of science.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 All of these things that you assert as true should be evident to all. You and I don't have to argue about what the sun is composed of or water displacement. If these things you assert are true...produce evidence of them.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior No you don't have to argue about the Sun or Water, but people could, and how is this? Depending on the understanding of the subject at hand and the words used to descibe these things are different on a individual level, no one can understand everything that you say is evident to all as none of us have the ability to understand all subjects in the same way as the people who understand it best, and again you want evidence according to your world view, not all things work.....
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 The sun is composed of hydrogen and helium. Anyone who doesn't understand this should be taught how we know it to be true. So when people argue about this it is out of ignorance. We should not disrespect each other's intellect by attempting them to accept things for which there is no proof. It demeans all of us.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Again, you are using the word evidence, and the only way in your understanding of reality to show evidence is through measurement and physical understanding, to say that it is real is true enough to say that it is the essence of the ture nature of all things is a world view, I don't know how else to explain this, it is like when the Christian tells you the bible says it is true so it must be, and then you ask well how do you know and he says God wrote the bible, how do you know?
Rents66 1 year ago
"continued" Because the bible says so, do you see you are saying Science can prove it using science, then from a point of view that science is the understanding of reality in a physical and measurable way but this is not the only way to experience reality as I experience reality daily without a measurement being taken therfore I have to say that there are other types of reality that are more important to my experience that science says is not reality, this to me is just like religion.
Rents66 1 year ago
@Rents66 Nope.....not gonna let you slide with that. Bad analogy. That applies more to your view then mine. The bible demands faith in it's validity. So do you because you place no emphasis on evidence. You merely assert things and expect them to be believed. The scientific method is all about proving your hypothesis so it's not expecting anyone to have faith in any claims.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
I do not demand anything, you have to keep in mind that science is real, and can be proven using science, you cannot prove that which is outside of scientific or physical reality using science, the only way that you have to prove things to science or to anyone is if you believe that science or collective understanding is the basis for reality and not even science can claim that the entire group can or does understand all of science, it is a belief if you do not understand it.
Rents66 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior After all what good does understanding do you if it is not you that understands it, there are some cases where it make could make life easier but again that does not mean we understand it as a whole.
Rents66 1 year ago
like this.
Rents66 1 year ago
It's much easier to just thank a single imaginary person that had nothing to do with it than to credit the almost innumerable people working quietly in the background to make our lives better. I often take the achievements of science for granted, and I'm a Biology student.
Good vid rationalwarrior. Thanks.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons Exactly right. They don't have to think too hard about it.. It doesn't matter if it's true or not.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
Had to add this to Favored Videos. Would it be all right if I used a quote from here on my channel page? "It does not benefit scientists to lie to you."
deepashtray 1 year ago
@deepashtray Yes you can use it. I'd be honored sir.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
@rationalwarrior Thanks. It's a great quote that really jumped out at me.
deepashtray 1 year ago
Awesome!
RelaxGodfolk 1 year ago
@RelaxGodfolk Thank you sir.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
The way science is done is we ask questions and we let nature give us the answers. Religions claim to know the answers already and what ever nature says, they say is unimportant.
Phobosuchus1 1 year ago
So true.. It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter whose making the argument. What matters is the strength of the evidence that we can all come together and share.
Phobosuchus1 1 year ago
You are the illest skeptic.
skeletonmf 1 year ago
@skeletonmf This is an ironic (correction, HYPOCRITICAL) statement coming from someone who clearly is irrationally "skeptical" of science. Believing something that is objectively false in the face of direct evidence is the very definition of delusion.
TheNewRenaissance 1 year ago
@TheNewRenaissance No that was slang. By saying I'm the "illest" skeptic what was actually being said was that I'm the best. Skeletonmf is a fan of science as well. But thanks for standing up.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
love it!!
SpecialElisa 1 year ago
Well done.
zarkoff45 1 year ago
Nicely done man. :)
TheTruePooka 1 year ago
@TheTruePooka Thanks TTP!
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
hehe, that was truly brilliant putting Harry Potter in with the "holy texts" :)
Excellent video as always!
tattooskin72 1 year ago
@tattooskin72 LOL I'm glad you caught that LOL
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
I like the way you present topics in a way that even religious folk would understand.
wwwATHEISTATOMcom 1 year ago
@wwwATHEISTATOMcom Thanks my friend. I'm trying to communicate in a way that everyone can understand. Besides there are other atheist on youtube that do the high brow stuff much better then I could.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago
People prayed for god to deliver them from plagues such as small pox and sleeping sickness for centuries. When science solved the problem they went to church to thank god for delivering them. Arrrgh.
macnutz 1 year ago
@macnutz Yes it's frustrating. None of their prayers were answered for a cure to any of the sicknesses you mentioned. And once science found the cure they went right back to the supernatural and gave science none of the credit.
rationalwarrior 1 year ago