In 1910, a 17,000-word memo was commissioned by the British Foreign Office to look at the historical dispute over sovereignty. The study highlighted many weaknesses in the British case. The head of the Foreign Office's American department, Gerald Spicer, wrote: "From a perusal of this memo it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the Argentine government's attitude is not altogether unjustified and that our action has been somewhat high-handed."
Do you know that yesterday an islander born in Malvinas, son of an islander who fought in the conflict of 1982, became an Argentine citizen? He was born in the islands in 1968 and he applied for the argentine nationality since he is an argentine citizen like all islanders. One day we will celebrate all together.
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And the self determination of the people is also a pointy subject. It's not an automatic thing. You have many cases around the world, they are all complicated issues. The islanders, same as irish protestants wouldn't be there to prefer british sovereignty if the british wouldn't have taken the islands (flaklands or irish) from the previous owners. They call it separatism or something like that when they want it to look bad, and self determination when they want it to appear as a good thing.
I COMPLETELY agree with Arminevh. Really, the man is speaking for me. It's all very relative. I don't like the use of the military Argentina made to recover the islands in 1982. Nor do I like British Empire using its military force to conquer (and sometimes colonize) the places in the world they fancy. Then also is the fact that Argentina's government at the time wasn't chosen by the people, so the people is not to blame so directly for 1982. But Argentina's claim is right. Same as Spain's.
It's a pity the BBC can't be bothered to do their research before wasting our licence fee on these sort of programmes. Dan Snow: the Tornado F3 is an INTERCEPTOR not a f'king fighter-bomber. Furthermore, to slow the aircraft down he would LOWER the flaps, not put them up, you stupid posh twat. Just cos daddy got a job in TV doesn't mean you're any good at it (and nor is he for that matter).Well done the BBC - another potentially great programme ruined by your utter shit-ness.
@MikeOxsmells dude lame, stop being so pedantic.. know one really cares. It's 80% the same.. it's not like they couldn't be converted easily to carry ground attack ordnance. He probabaly meant down but oh I suppose in your perfect world you never make any mistakes. Stupid troll.
@spitfir3ace In a perfect world, we'd have something called 'spell checker' to check for stupid spellings, then ' know one' would look like a dumb-ass. Oh, we do? Maybe some people are 'probabaly' just too dumb to use it.
The Malvinas islands allways will be argentinians... it's no way that we can change our mind ...becouse the islands are in our hearts!!! ...every single person that who born in Argentina ; had the Malvinas islands in the heart..
Not have to be very smart !!! If You look at the map and can see how far are the Islands from Argentina....and how far is from England..
By the way I believe that a war is not the way to get a solution....peace
The Malvinas islands allways will be argentinians... it's no way that we can change our mind ...becouse the islands are in our hearts!!! ...every single person that who born in Argentina ; had the Malvinas islands in the heart..
Not have to be very smart !!! If You look at the map and can see how far are the Islands from Argentina....and how far is from England..
By the way I believe that a war is not the way to get a solution....peace
i think you should invade again,this time it will not take 70 plus days to deal with you,you would not even land.We have Typhoon fighter jets there-The MOST ADVANCED warplane in the world.We have Nuclear powered subs a 1,000 troops and over 30 tanks so bring it on. Your airforce is still largely the same as you had in 1982 pathetic!!.We are more advanced than ever and you may even get HMS Daring to meet you(the most advanced warship in the world!!You could never attack again your a joke.
@Medeasbiggestfan Yeah, that's the British Empire setting the example... Go tell the Irish that kind of thing, or any part of the ex-Empire. What about Gibraltar? It's not natural. You cannot fill a place with brits, mildly wash their heads through generations and then claim the territory is yours just because "the people there wants it so". It's called colonialism. It's the irish troubles, it's the falklands, it's not really ok. Besides the whole separatism thing is rather delicate.
@Medeasbiggestfan Unlike their neighbour, the Irish respect freedom and democracy, that is why they would never have invaded a couple of Argentine islands 8000 miles away from Ireland.
It was Argentina that invaded the Falklands (and removed freedom and democracy from the islanders). It was the British who liberated the islanders from military dictatorship.
@Medeasbiggestfan Wrong I am afraid, UK (that is England) invaded those Argentine islands both in 1833 and 1982.
Freedom and democracy? it is an old trick to place people in someone else's lands and then claim they vote for you.
Besides, what about the "freedom and democracy" of the Diego Garcians? what about the "freedom and democracy" of all those people all over the world murdered ,stolen and enslaved just because you lot wanted to put the price of the tea two cents down?
@Medeasbiggestfan If one is not responsible for one's ancestors fawlts, then one shouldnt benefit from their actions either.
Besides "punished" is too strong a word in this case as no one is asking them to leave the islands or to change their way of life (not even their nationality), just to do the same we all did when we came from Europe: to accept the Argentine sovereignity that comes with these Southern lands.
All they're doing is living in the place of their birth. That's a fundamental right, not a benefit.
Argentina wants to remove many of the rights and freedoms currently enjoyed by the islanders. If the Falklands ever became part of Argentina, the islanders would lose their own constitution, legislature, government, flag, currency and capital city. Argentina would remove the islanders' control over the islands' natural resources, immigration and (most importantly) sovereignty.
@Medeasbiggestfan No one is trying to remove their right to live there, as for the other rights, those islands are under British sovereignity and control, not under the islander's, a sovereignity UK stole from its right owners both in 1833 and 1982.
@Medeasbiggestfan "chosen by their people"? once again: it is an old trick to place people in someone else's lands and then claim they vote for you.
Those islands (despite all that rubbish about "democracy" and "constitutions") are under British sovereignity and control, the dispute is between Argentina and UK, the islanders are just the excuse Britain use to steal the Argentine sovereignity.
In fact is not the first time UK try to steal our territory, in fact they had already try it 3 times!!
Democracy isn't a 'trick', it's a fundamental right that belongs to all people.
What you say is not correct. Under UK, EU and Falklands' law, the sovereignty of the islands is determined by the islanders. If they ever wanted to become independent, or join Argentina, it would happen.
For the moment though, the islanders want their birthplace to remain a self-governing overseas territory of the UK.
@Medeasbiggestfan ha ha, good joke man, because hey! what about the self determination and democracy of the Diego Garcians, of the Irish, of all those millions around the world you lot have murdered, stolen, enslaved and tortured? what about you burglars trying to invade (and failed) 3 times Argentine soil? if you are so desperate to defend "self-determination", why dont you invade Spain (for instance) and help ETA to become independent?
The removal of self-determination from peoples throughout the world at the hands of the British was wrong. But I ask again, why should the people of the Falklands be punished for the actions of the UK government in the past?
A good analogy for the Falklands is Malta, which used to be a British colony. In 1964, Malta voted to become independent, the UK let it happen. Malta is strategically very important in the Mediterranean, but the UK gave it up when asked to by its people.
@Medeasbiggestfan You can´t do that because they BELIEVE that they are English. That´s what they have been shown all their lifes, but they live a big lie. England has always STOLEN territories, and this is not an exception. Malvinas Islands were, are and will always belong to Argentina, you like it or not. We had the disgrace to have been ruled by a government which hadn´t been chosen by people, so we are not responsible for that.
Firstly, the islanders are not English, they are many of Scottish ancestry and see themselves as British.
No territory permanently belongs to another country. Look at a map of the world for 100 years ago and you'll see many differences from today's maps.
In a democratic society, the sovereignty of a territory is determined by the people born in that territory. Societies where sovereignty is imposed on the people by the state are not free.
RichSieben In answer to your question, if a field has no one living on it and,,, it is not fenced then after making a stake, after 12 years yes you can,, Roman Law. well outdates Argentinian law,
Be it none to all Nations. That Falkland's Islands with this fort, the storehouses, wharfs and harbours, bays and creeks thereunto belonging are the sole right and property of his most sacred majesty, George the third, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland. Defender of the faith. In witness whereof this plate is set up, and his Britannic Majesty's Colours left flying as a mark of possession.
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The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
1833 ' The Brithish commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a Brithish pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the Brithish takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands"
" Britain indeed extended its regional sphere of influence, formaly claiming South Georgia and South Sandwich in 1908, as well as a slice of Antarctica"
That's why I think the only criterion now should be the will of the residents. There were attempts to make Australia a republic, but the majority of residents did not want it. BTW. The Queen is not mine, because I am not British ;)
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This is so funny the people of UK didnt' care or know about the Malvinas until 1982. We share the Islands for 150 years.
UK didnt EVER!! came here to said hi the Kelpers!!! It was about the ego of Mg. Tacher and the junta who was trying to regain power. As a citizen that territory was part of Arg. always was until now 1982. ..... So why you care???
When a part of a territory gets invaded and annected and diplomatic efforts to make the invaders withdraw do not bring any results - the only option is to use military force. This is a normal thing goverments do. "Back in control, force them to surrender". No other option.
No matter in what way do you like to explain Nobody will see that in the same way you do. Your country always was and always will be COLONIALISTIC!!!!!!!
Colonialism is a convenient label you put when you do not like something. I fact colonialism is bad when it involves oppressing a native population. If there is no native population (like in the case of the Falklands/Malvinas) you cannot talk about colonialism. If there is a native population, but it does not object a colonial rule (like in some other cases) - this is also no problem. The problem is invading one's territory without the concent of the inhabitants.
there was people living in that islands when you usurpated them!!
Anyway, even if no people where living there, who are you to take that land as your own? that islands where part of the Argentine territory since 1810 and before that, part of the territories that belongs to Spain not England. don't you agree? Please, read some history in an objetive way.
But British settlement was going on before Argentina existed as a state. Even though, that would be a territorial dispute, not a case of colonialism. There would be two nations colonizing a desert land and having dispute. But now there are people there living for generations. They have been living longer than Argentine settlement before.
so, following your line of thinking, if you have, in example, a little field in Essex with no people living in it, can i go and take it as mine?. And yes, you are absolutely right, they have been living longer, ... since England stole them.
There are many situations when both sides can find arguments in favour of their possession of a territory. Following your logic the whole Argentina was stolen from native population. You cannot deal with the injustice done in the past (even assuming that it was injustice, although it is debatable) by bringing new injustice.
The UK reclaimed the islands after they were stolen from us by the spanish. The first ever claim for the islands were in 1690 by the UK not just England. And when we did RETURN what was there. An island with 24 civilains, a defence force (80% of which were british), a deputy governor (who was british), a whaling company (British) and a governor who always asked permission from London to do anything on the islands.
I think UK always like to expand the way of their Colonialism!!! across the globe this is onther example of that don't you think? Same happened in Hon Kong, India, and other parts of the world.
Ah don't you just love the irony of the vicious hate monger talking of imperialism when the British renounced their Empire after the Second World War and the only people with imperial ambitions in the South Atlantic are the Argentines who wish to impose an alien culture and dominate and subjugate the Falklanders.
The same reason that made the english reject the falklands renamed into malvinas apply in the Greeks regecting the name of the Greek province of Macedonia to an artificial slavic entity like "former yugoslav republic of macedonia" that is tottaly unrelated to the name and history and heritage of the land.
the world must support the trouth and not two standards
If we were stupid enough to give back to you the Falklands, after we destroyed every building, roads run ways, ports etc.how many of you Argies would come and start afresh in your new land
There's no need to use fighter-bombers as escorts to defend civil airplanes, 'cause we don't have any jet fighters... This is just a show to justify the increase of the defense budget for the islands... We won't mess the whole thing again... Don't worry...
Que hayan ganado la guerra no significa que las islas le pertenezcan. Esa islas fueron heredadas de4l imperio español cuando Argentina se independizó en 1816.
How did Spain control Argentina? i bet they killed people to occupy it! Also, I'm not sure Spain handed over sovereignty of the Falklands to Argentina...
Anyway, if you research a bit more, you will see that it is documented that the Islands were first discovered by John Strong in 1690 and named the 'Falkland channel' after viscount Falkland. before this, it was under French rule (from 1764) and was previously uninhabited.. Just because an island is close, does not mean you own it either
Los descubrimientos supuestamente acreditados a Strong,Hawkins o Davis,no son lo suficiente para acreditar algún título sobre el archipiélago.Aunque bautizaron las Islas con el nombre Falkland,no realizaron ni una toma de posesión invocando la corona inglesa ni ningún otro acto que implicara consecuencias jurídicas,por lo tanto el hecho de hayan avistado las islas no les otorga ninguna validez legal.
you claiming the falklands for argentina is like england claiming france, just because it is close! Even though the falklands were under no rule when we claimed them... The fact is, they are under OUR rule, no one elses! I don't care who claims them, it is Britain who inhabits them, until someone takes them, they are ours. I'm sorry, but there is no denying this, no matter how much we argue! the falklanders don't want to leave, if they did, i would be happy for britain to remove their claim
cra83:Yo diría que Gran Bretaña reclame las Malvinas es como si Argentina reclamara una parte de Londres.Los argumentos argentinos no son solos geográficos sino históricos y con registros serios.Hay algo que la historia nos enseña claramente;los ganadores no siempre son los que tienen la razón y Malvinas es un claro ejemplo de eso.El hecho de que hayan ganado la guerra por haber tenido un ejército mas poderoso que el nuestro no le otorga legitimidad a tu argumento.
I'm not saying that it creates legitimacy! I'm just saying that it's the only way of getting it back and you failed. I honestly wouldn't mind if the British government gave it to the French, Spanish, Argentinians etc but any country would be stupid to give up territory, that has strategic importance, to another country just because it says it is theirs. thats how the world works and there's nothing we can do about it, unfortunately!
cra83 El punto es que los argumentos británicos son cambiante, poco sólidos y faltos de argumentos firmes. Ustedes ocupan actualemnte las islas no porque les pertenezcan por legítimo derecho sino porque ganaron la guerra, pero eso no les otorga la razón.
Do you Argentinians watch these videos, just to argue?! Did you read my last comment correctly?! I said it's not for us to argue, it's up to our governments to come to a conclusion. I was just pointing out the British side of things. You seem to think British people are stupid (some are, but, this is true with all countries) and make wild claims. Also, according to you, changing arguments. You need to realise you are speaking to a reasonable, educated man. Not some idiot who knows nothing
oh, and furthermore... Do you see us attacking Denmark over the Faroe Islands? They are close to us and were inhabited by early British and Irish people in the 1st century A.D. I think both Argentina and Britain have claim to the Falklands. But to settle an argument, we should hand them to Spain or France! One last thing, how about you (very possibly descended from Spanish people)give Argentina back to the native Argentinians? EVERY country is made up of settlers, there's no escaping that!
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The people who have been living on that island for generations and call it their home have the right to decide under whose jurisdiction they want to be subject. They chose Britain (full citizenship aquired 1983), and until the inhabitants decide otherwise; those islands will be legally British and recognised as such by the international community.
Self determination is a fundamental right under the UN charter, it can't be applied selectively as you seem to think - which by the way is rather racist.
Over 90% of the current population of Argentina is descended from immigrants. By you standard none of them have any right to self-determination. This simple reductio ad absurdum shows how foolish your claim is.
People get very emotional about this, for good reason. But they should show some respect, for both sides' dead. Britain won this war - the fools who think otherwise only serve to disrespect their own, who died. Even Napoleon admitted defeat, with utmost self respect. If folk don't feel for the sacrifice of their own, this goes on. And we have a squadron of F3s, ready.
Não pisarão na Amazonia brasileira tão facilmente ingleses, cem dos seus soldados não se igualam a um guerreiro da selva...Venham e verão a morte a cada passo.
É lamentável que o Brasil tenha apenas mandado pilotos de rastreamento para a guerra das Malvinas, o final teria sido outro...
deberia darte verguenza sucio imperialista ingles, son rapiña que se inmiscuyen en cualquier lado del mundo que puedan. LAS MALVINAS FUERON, SON Y SERAN ARGENTINAS.
No you invaded, trying to justify the indefensible seems an Argentine trait. The 30,000 disappeared during the Dirty War reduces every year in official Argentine figures.
"The 30,000 disappeared during the Dirty War reduces every year in official Argentine figures", now I know what kind of man are you... you are a happy lier.
Our boys are truly men, you are a disgrace for your own people.
Really, last year the Argentine Government produced further estimates of the numbers of disappeared. Funnily enough the numbers went down again and are around 25% of the figures issued by human rights groups.
Funnily enough I never here Argentine come out and flat say "the dirty war was wrong", there's always a little excuse that they were only "montoneros" killed or that there numbers aren't as bad as 30000, never that it was wrong.
A real man admits his failings, a macho man can't.
you clearly have litle news of Argentina over there
the thing is: CONADEP was a high level civil commitee with official support that interviewed thousands of victims and produced a well known document called NUNCA MAS with a well documented estimate of victims
anyway the important thing is that our Justice put the commanders of the Junta on jail for life
British forces who committed crimes in Iraq have been jailed, in fact they went so far out of the way to be seen to just that they prosecuted several cases that should never have seen a court room.
Sorry if that doesn't match the picture you're trying to paint.
I dont care about your racial origin, nor if you are a peaceful foreigner. But you guys are agressors to my country, having a military force 8000 miles from your home, and only 400 km from mine.
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hu hu kiss my ass...The fucklands are Argentine...hu hu in your face fukin England!!
clodomiromarcos 4 months ago
Dan Snow is literally so attractive
PanaNearkhou 5 months ago
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In 1910, a 17,000-word memo was commissioned by the British Foreign Office to look at the historical dispute over sovereignty. The study highlighted many weaknesses in the British case. The head of the Foreign Office's American department, Gerald Spicer, wrote: "From a perusal of this memo it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the Argentine government's attitude is not altogether unjustified and that our action has been somewhat high-handed."
111jasy111 7 months ago
Do you know that yesterday an islander born in Malvinas, son of an islander who fought in the conflict of 1982, became an Argentine citizen? He was born in the islands in 1968 and he applied for the argentine nationality since he is an argentine citizen like all islanders. One day we will celebrate all together.
111jasy111 7 months ago
Dan is so sexy
MEVVH 8 months ago
NI SI QUIERA ES SU CONTIENENTE, ¬¬
germanratzinger 10 months ago
ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS
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ErlindaWeiner 11 months ago
you will be a muslim country in 20 years. this is the solution. they will buy malvinas. and finish
kepuysac 1 year ago
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS , KOSOVO ES SERBIA Y MEXICO ES DE ESTADOS UNIDOS.
MsGian90 1 year ago
And the self determination of the people is also a pointy subject. It's not an automatic thing. You have many cases around the world, they are all complicated issues. The islanders, same as irish protestants wouldn't be there to prefer british sovereignty if the british wouldn't have taken the islands (flaklands or irish) from the previous owners. They call it separatism or something like that when they want it to look bad, and self determination when they want it to appear as a good thing.
maskedmelodymakers 1 year ago
@maskedmelodymakers
The Republic of Ireland respects self-determination in Northern Ireland.
Medeasbiggestfan 1 year ago
I COMPLETELY agree with Arminevh. Really, the man is speaking for me. It's all very relative. I don't like the use of the military Argentina made to recover the islands in 1982. Nor do I like British Empire using its military force to conquer (and sometimes colonize) the places in the world they fancy. Then also is the fact that Argentina's government at the time wasn't chosen by the people, so the people is not to blame so directly for 1982. But Argentina's claim is right. Same as Spain's.
maskedmelodymakers 1 year ago
It's a pity the BBC can't be bothered to do their research before wasting our licence fee on these sort of programmes. Dan Snow: the Tornado F3 is an INTERCEPTOR not a f'king fighter-bomber. Furthermore, to slow the aircraft down he would LOWER the flaps, not put them up, you stupid posh twat. Just cos daddy got a job in TV doesn't mean you're any good at it (and nor is he for that matter).Well done the BBC - another potentially great programme ruined by your utter shit-ness.
MikeOxsmells 1 year ago
@MikeOxsmells dude lame, stop being so pedantic.. know one really cares. It's 80% the same.. it's not like they couldn't be converted easily to carry ground attack ordnance. He probabaly meant down but oh I suppose in your perfect world you never make any mistakes. Stupid troll.
spitfir3ace 1 year ago
@spitfir3ace In a perfect world, we'd have something called 'spell checker' to check for stupid spellings, then ' know one' would look like a dumb-ass. Oh, we do? Maybe some people are 'probabaly' just too dumb to use it.
MikeOxsmells 1 year ago
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To all the British people:
The Malvinas islands allways will be argentinians... it's no way that we can change our mind ...becouse the islands are in our hearts!!! ...every single person that who born in Argentina ; had the Malvinas islands in the heart..
Not have to be very smart !!! If You look at the map and can see how far are the Islands from Argentina....and how far is from England..
By the way I believe that a war is not the way to get a solution....peace
bardaso 1 year ago
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To all the British people:
The Malvinas islands allways will be argentinians... it's no way that we can change our mind ...becouse the islands are in our hearts!!! ...every single person that who born in Argentina ; had the Malvinas islands in the heart..
Not have to be very smart !!! If You look at the map and can see how far are the Islands from Argentina....and how far is from England..
By the way I believe that a war is not the way to get a solution....peace
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bardaso 1 year ago
Britain yesterday was an empire, and are now a U.S. colony XD
PatagonianCurse 1 year ago
@PatagonianCurse and ur a ediot
mikeyutj1 1 year ago
@mikeyutj1 "ediot"??? buy a book jajajaja
PatagonianCurse 1 year ago
we british are peaceful people
SuperMole666 1 year ago
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the Falklands are an indivisible part of the argentinian territory...END OF STORY.
EmilianoStoessel85 2 years ago
I would like to visit te falklands sometime aswell as Ascension Island. Rule Britannia
viacomburn 2 years ago
i think you should invade again,this time it will not take 70 plus days to deal with you,you would not even land.We have Typhoon fighter jets there-The MOST ADVANCED warplane in the world.We have Nuclear powered subs a 1,000 troops and over 30 tanks so bring it on. Your airforce is still largely the same as you had in 1982 pathetic!!.We are more advanced than ever and you may even get HMS Daring to meet you(the most advanced warship in the world!!You could never attack again your a joke.
bannon1000 2 years ago
the F-22 Raptor is the most advanced warplane in the world. it's also stealthy, the Typhoon is not
104609 1 year ago
I think its time to invade again the Falklands..........I dont see other option.
EmilianoStoessel85 2 years ago
Invasion of Argentine tourists would be acceptable I think... This could be beneficial for both sides, although some people do not like tourists ;)
OlenkaWagner 2 years ago
I see another option; the Argentinians can respect the fundamental right of the Falklanders to determine their own sovereignty.
Medeasbiggestfan 2 years ago 9
@Medeasbiggestfan Yeah, that's the British Empire setting the example... Go tell the Irish that kind of thing, or any part of the ex-Empire. What about Gibraltar? It's not natural. You cannot fill a place with brits, mildly wash their heads through generations and then claim the territory is yours just because "the people there wants it so". It's called colonialism. It's the irish troubles, it's the falklands, it's not really ok. Besides the whole separatism thing is rather delicate.
maskedmelodymakers 1 year ago
@maskedmelodymakers The Irish respect freedom and democracy, I think it's time for the Argentines to do the same.
Medeasbiggestfan 1 year ago
@Medeasbiggestfan Unlike their neighbour, the Irish respect freedom and democracy, that is why they would never have invaded a couple of Argentine islands 8000 miles away from Ireland.
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh
It was Argentina that invaded the Falklands (and removed freedom and democracy from the islanders). It was the British who liberated the islanders from military dictatorship.
Medeasbiggestfan 1 year ago
@Medeasbiggestfan Wrong I am afraid, UK (that is England) invaded those Argentine islands both in 1833 and 1982.
Freedom and democracy? it is an old trick to place people in someone else's lands and then claim they vote for you.
Besides, what about the "freedom and democracy" of the Diego Garcians? what about the "freedom and democracy" of all those people all over the world murdered ,stolen and enslaved just because you lot wanted to put the price of the tea two cents down?
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh
Why should the Falkland Islanders today be puniched for the actions of the UK government in 1833?
Medeasbiggestfan 1 year ago
@Medeasbiggestfan If one is not responsible for one's ancestors fawlts, then one shouldnt benefit from their actions either.
Besides "punished" is too strong a word in this case as no one is asking them to leave the islands or to change their way of life (not even their nationality), just to do the same we all did when we came from Europe: to accept the Argentine sovereignity that comes with these Southern lands.
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh
All they're doing is living in the place of their birth. That's a fundamental right, not a benefit.
Argentina wants to remove many of the rights and freedoms currently enjoyed by the islanders. If the Falklands ever became part of Argentina, the islanders would lose their own constitution, legislature, government, flag, currency and capital city. Argentina would remove the islanders' control over the islands' natural resources, immigration and (most importantly) sovereignty.
Medeasbiggestfan 1 year ago
@Medeasbiggestfan No one is trying to remove their right to live there, as for the other rights, those islands are under British sovereignity and control, not under the islander's, a sovereignity UK stole from its right owners both in 1833 and 1982.
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh
Not true, all the things I mentioned are determined by the democratically elected government of the islands. Read the Falkland Islands Constitution.
In 1982, British forces returned the islands to the government chosen by their people.
Medeasbiggestfan 1 year ago
@Medeasbiggestfan "chosen by their people"? once again: it is an old trick to place people in someone else's lands and then claim they vote for you.
Those islands (despite all that rubbish about "democracy" and "constitutions") are under British sovereignity and control, the dispute is between Argentina and UK, the islanders are just the excuse Britain use to steal the Argentine sovereignity.
In fact is not the first time UK try to steal our territory, in fact they had already try it 3 times!!
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh
Democracy isn't a 'trick', it's a fundamental right that belongs to all people.
What you say is not correct. Under UK, EU and Falklands' law, the sovereignty of the islands is determined by the islanders. If they ever wanted to become independent, or join Argentina, it would happen.
For the moment though, the islanders want their birthplace to remain a self-governing overseas territory of the UK.
Medeasbiggestfan 1 year ago
@Medeasbiggestfan ha ha, good joke man, because hey! what about the self determination and democracy of the Diego Garcians, of the Irish, of all those millions around the world you lot have murdered, stolen, enslaved and tortured? what about you burglars trying to invade (and failed) 3 times Argentine soil? if you are so desperate to defend "self-determination", why dont you invade Spain (for instance) and help ETA to become independent?
You people are the kings of hypocrisy!!!
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh
The removal of self-determination from peoples throughout the world at the hands of the British was wrong. But I ask again, why should the people of the Falklands be punished for the actions of the UK government in the past?
A good analogy for the Falklands is Malta, which used to be a British colony. In 1964, Malta voted to become independent, the UK let it happen. Malta is strategically very important in the Mediterranean, but the UK gave it up when asked to by its people.
Medeasbiggestfan 1 year ago
@Arminevh - I don't know what the result of the referendum would be if it was made in the Basque country. Would majority vote independence?
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@Medeasbiggestfan You can´t do that because they BELIEVE that they are English. That´s what they have been shown all their lifes, but they live a big lie. England has always STOLEN territories, and this is not an exception. Malvinas Islands were, are and will always belong to Argentina, you like it or not. We had the disgrace to have been ruled by a government which hadn´t been chosen by people, so we are not responsible for that.
lveaasaez 7 months ago
@lveaasaez
Firstly, the islanders are not English, they are many of Scottish ancestry and see themselves as British.
No territory permanently belongs to another country. Look at a map of the world for 100 years ago and you'll see many differences from today's maps.
In a democratic society, the sovereignty of a territory is determined by the people born in that territory. Societies where sovereignty is imposed on the people by the state are not free.
Medeasbiggestfan 7 months ago
Now now Emiliano and what would that achieve.
Another unecessary war
A new generation of dead service personnel
Another crushing defeat for Argentina
jonrobbinson 2 years ago
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The Falklands belongs to Argentina. End of history.
EmilianoStoessel85 2 years ago
End of history?
OlenkaWagner 2 years ago
No you'll find their British. You owned the islands for like 2 yeras. We owned them for 170 years.
cloughers 2 years ago 3
I think the people who live on the Falklands would not agree.
Medeasbiggestfan 2 years ago
En 1833 no le preguntaron nada a los isleños.... vinieron y los sacaron. Ahora les preocupan los isleños? dejame de joder.
fedecd2 2 years ago
The rights of the islanders in 1833 were ignored, which was wrong. Ignoring the rights of the islanders today would be just as wrong.
Medeasbiggestfan 2 years ago
@Medeasbiggestfan I agree well said.
bri4u2906 2 years ago
Look at the history and a little conflict in 1982... then say that.
mrgeorgeallison 2 years ago
Yall don't have the balls to take the British on again!!
73828 2 years ago
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Rritons are ignorant people.Afghanstan will be a grave or Britain ( again ).
molecxula 2 years ago
Rittons?. where re they from?? Rittony??,
bobbj77 2 years ago 3
Spain belongs to the Philippines. ; )
dietcoke1996 2 years ago 2
Argentina belongs to Spain
NielsShoe 2 years ago 4
lol, I think you will find...it does not.
ShitMovies2000 2 years ago
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The Falklands are Argentines
cafematica 2 years ago
How do you figure?
Coribec 2 years ago
Look it up, and you will find that they are in fact, British.
ShitMovies2000 2 years ago 4
Agies = thieves
NielsShoe 2 years ago
RichSieben In answer to your question, if a field has no one living on it and,,, it is not fenced then after making a stake, after 12 years yes you can,, Roman Law. well outdates Argentinian law,
keirfree 2 years ago
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INGLESES PIRATAS.
ALETICH 2 years ago
The Argentines were just dying to be made an example of, invading territory to which they have no legitimate claim.
Sierra688 2 years ago 4
Well, those Iberians who invaded and claimed what we now call South America did pretty well.
hoffbill 2 years ago
Well, Galtieri must have got bored killing his own people, so he gave them to us to deal with instead!
fozzyisgod 2 years ago 3
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LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS!!!
malvinas82argentinas 2 years ago
Las Malvinas Siempre INGLES
MountLongdon82 2 years ago
and why? The English landed there first.
BlackStarGamer 2 years ago 5
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I believe that a marginal and underdeveloped country with 10 old aircraft has kicked his ass.
RIZZU09 2 years ago
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S.W, Clayton (1765),
Be it none to all Nations. That Falkland's Islands with this fort, the storehouses, wharfs and harbours, bays and creeks thereunto belonging are the sole right and property of his most sacred majesty, George the third, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland. Defender of the faith. In witness whereof this plate is set up, and his Britannic Majesty's Colours left flying as a mark of possession.
madjaime2007 2 years ago
The Falklands British, Red White and Blue, Loyal and True.
7 Signals Unit Byron Heights veteran.
cheltcanary 2 years ago
Man, there were very few people in that boeing!
Most of the seats were empty.
gpssat24 2 years ago
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The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
1833 ' The Brithish commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a Brithish pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the Brithish takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands"
enzo3737 2 years ago
Page 201
" Britain indeed extended its regional sphere of influence, formaly claiming South Georgia and South Sandwich in 1908, as well as a slice of Antarctica"
enzo3737 2 years ago
Following your logic the whole World was stolen from UK Colonialism, so return all territory stolen by your Queen!!!! Australia, New Zeland, etc.
millan4315 2 years ago
That's why I think the only criterion now should be the will of the residents. There were attempts to make Australia a republic, but the majority of residents did not want it. BTW. The Queen is not mine, because I am not British ;)
OlenkaWagner 2 years ago
argentina should worry more about its habit of inviting nazis to its shores, its dirty war when it murdered thousands of its own people and its continuous disastrous economy more than the Falklands which are a British concern not argentinian... LAS MAVINAS SON DE INGLATERRA
grantzx 2 years ago 15
las malvinas son argentinas!!! te guste o no!!
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KGBfbiSECUpolitia 1 year ago
@grantzx Be carefull shit head. You lost more soldiers fighting just 2 months in the Falkland war than 7 years of in Iraq war.
That's means we can hurt you, very badly. So, don't underestimate us.
Malvinas are an Argy concern. And you know what? we scare you
Matimix 1 year ago
@grantzx and the British and Americans did not? LOL
PatagonianCurse 1 year ago
@PatagonianCurse , what do you mean by your question patagonian? The British and Americans did not do what?
jasonptify 1 year ago
@jasonptify Nazis hid it in their land
PatagonianCurse 1 year ago
@grantzx ...hu hu kiss my ass...The fucklands are Argentine...hu hu in your face fukin England!!
clodomiromarcos 4 months ago
No................ People should remember that no one alive today is responsible for the empire and that people can't choose where they are born.
And taking there homes away from them because of something that happen 100's of years ago is crap.
slug1822 2 years ago 3
This is so funny the people of UK didnt' care or know about the Malvinas until 1982. We share the Islands for 150 years.
UK didnt EVER!! came here to said hi the Kelpers!!! It was about the ego of Mg. Tacher and the junta who was trying to regain power. As a citizen that territory was part of Arg. always was until now 1982. ..... So why you care???
millan4315 2 years ago
When a part of a territory gets invaded and annected and diplomatic efforts to make the invaders withdraw do not bring any results - the only option is to use military force. This is a normal thing goverments do. "Back in control, force them to surrender". No other option.
OlenkaWagner 2 years ago 3
No matter in what way do you like to explain Nobody will see that in the same way you do. Your country always was and always will be COLONIALISTIC!!!!!!!
millan4315 2 years ago
Colonialism is a convenient label you put when you do not like something. I fact colonialism is bad when it involves oppressing a native population. If there is no native population (like in the case of the Falklands/Malvinas) you cannot talk about colonialism. If there is a native population, but it does not object a colonial rule (like in some other cases) - this is also no problem. The problem is invading one's territory without the concent of the inhabitants.
OlenkaWagner 2 years ago
But you are forgoting something:
there was people living in that islands when you usurpated them!!
Anyway, even if no people where living there, who are you to take that land as your own? that islands where part of the Argentine territory since 1810 and before that, part of the territories that belongs to Spain not England. don't you agree? Please, read some history in an objetive way.
RichSieben 2 years ago
But British settlement was going on before Argentina existed as a state. Even though, that would be a territorial dispute, not a case of colonialism. There would be two nations colonizing a desert land and having dispute. But now there are people there living for generations. They have been living longer than Argentine settlement before.
OlenkaWagner 2 years ago
so, following your line of thinking, if you have, in example, a little field in Essex with no people living in it, can i go and take it as mine?. And yes, you are absolutely right, they have been living longer, ... since England stole them.
RichSieben 2 years ago
There are many situations when both sides can find arguments in favour of their possession of a territory. Following your logic the whole Argentina was stolen from native population. You cannot deal with the injustice done in the past (even assuming that it was injustice, although it is debatable) by bringing new injustice.
OlenkaWagner 2 years ago 3
"stole". "England".
The UK reclaimed the islands after they were stolen from us by the spanish. The first ever claim for the islands were in 1690 by the UK not just England. And when we did RETURN what was there. An island with 24 civilains, a defence force (80% of which were british), a deputy governor (who was british), a whaling company (British) and a governor who always asked permission from London to do anything on the islands.
Stole, very interesting choice of words.
slug1822 2 years ago 4
I think UK always like to expand the way of their Colonialism!!! across the globe this is onther example of that don't you think? Same happened in Hon Kong, India, and other parts of the world.
millan4315 2 years ago
Noticeably you didn't bother to deny Argentina's ambitions, that makes a refreshing change by the way.
tootiredtobeoriginal 2 years ago
Ah don't you just love the irony of the vicious hate monger talking of imperialism when the British renounced their Empire after the Second World War and the only people with imperial ambitions in the South Atlantic are the Argentines who wish to impose an alien culture and dominate and subjugate the Falklanders.
tootiredtobeoriginal 2 years ago
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MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!!!
quierenrock79 2 years ago
u can fuk off! though's are our islands!
Teccy1 2 years ago
still looks as shit as it did in 82 to my mind!.
malvinas son argentinas siempre
FILMCOLLECTOR16 3 years ago
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The same reason that made the english reject the falklands renamed into malvinas apply in the Greeks regecting the name of the Greek province of Macedonia to an artificial slavic entity like "former yugoslav republic of macedonia" that is tottaly unrelated to the name and history and heritage of the land.
the world must support the trouth and not two standards
audy8000 3 years ago
If we were stupid enough to give back to you the Falklands, after we destroyed every building, roads run ways, ports etc.how many of you Argies would come and start afresh in your new land
cp4snowhill 3 years ago 4
There's no need to use fighter-bombers as escorts to defend civil airplanes, 'cause we don't have any jet fighters... This is just a show to justify the increase of the defense budget for the islands... We won't mess the whole thing again... Don't worry...
ofgb1975 3 years ago 3
How can celebrate so many deaths? Why so much evil?
francoroock 3 years ago 4
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Because we won!!!
cymruambyth29 3 years ago
The Falkland people decided which country to belong to. You Argies just can't seen to get that.
Max8Jizzy 3 years ago 3
Yeah!
you tell 'em!
they cant even win the world cup without the hand of god or is that the god of hand ball?
i was only 8 when the falklands kicked off & as a kid seeing those images of wounded troops & burning ships has a big impact on a child!
kinda makes me feel humble for what ours guys went through out there even now with our boys & girls out in Irag & afghanistan!
Much RESPECT to them!
afrosamurai41 3 years ago 2
Indeed its all about individual liberty. Socialists and Military Despots just dont understand that.
Icarusdecending82 3 years ago
VIVA FRANCE!
Darkmoon0999 3 years ago
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England are the worst example of fucking peace in this pathetic World.
Now you see why our World is fuked up, from ignorants humans hungry of power.
Well all have a end.
Thanks i am part of Argentina and not of a savage country, were those ignorants are just creating thier own destruction...:]
Darkmoon0999 3 years ago
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Mmm, looking at your history, seems pretty savage to me.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
haha, you daft cunt!! you are from spanish immigrants!
Who is going to destroy us?! your pathetic excuse for a millitary?
cra83 3 years ago
Just remind them, of the Spanish Armada!!!
Then they'll shut the fuck up!!!
afrosamurai41 3 years ago
Islas Malvinas: territorio argentino.
handofgod12345 3 years ago
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is it? im sure we won the war in 1982.... and we have been there for over 150 years...
cra83 3 years ago
Que hayan ganado la guerra no significa que las islas le pertenezcan. Esa islas fueron heredadas de4l imperio español cuando Argentina se independizó en 1816.
handofgod12345 3 years ago 2
How did Spain control Argentina? i bet they killed people to occupy it! Also, I'm not sure Spain handed over sovereignty of the Falklands to Argentina...
Anyway, if you research a bit more, you will see that it is documented that the Islands were first discovered by John Strong in 1690 and named the 'Falkland channel' after viscount Falkland. before this, it was under French rule (from 1764) and was previously uninhabited.. Just because an island is close, does not mean you own it either
cra83 3 years ago
Los descubrimientos supuestamente acreditados a Strong,Hawkins o Davis,no son lo suficiente para acreditar algún título sobre el archipiélago.Aunque bautizaron las Islas con el nombre Falkland,no realizaron ni una toma de posesión invocando la corona inglesa ni ningún otro acto que implicara consecuencias jurídicas,por lo tanto el hecho de hayan avistado las islas no les otorga ninguna validez legal.
handofgod12345 3 years ago
you claiming the falklands for argentina is like england claiming france, just because it is close! Even though the falklands were under no rule when we claimed them... The fact is, they are under OUR rule, no one elses! I don't care who claims them, it is Britain who inhabits them, until someone takes them, they are ours. I'm sorry, but there is no denying this, no matter how much we argue! the falklanders don't want to leave, if they did, i would be happy for britain to remove their claim
cra83 3 years ago
cra83:Yo diría que Gran Bretaña reclame las Malvinas es como si Argentina reclamara una parte de Londres.Los argumentos argentinos no son solos geográficos sino históricos y con registros serios.Hay algo que la historia nos enseña claramente;los ganadores no siempre son los que tienen la razón y Malvinas es un claro ejemplo de eso.El hecho de que hayan ganado la guerra por haber tenido un ejército mas poderoso que el nuestro no le otorga legitimidad a tu argumento.
handofgod12345 3 years ago
I'm not saying that it creates legitimacy! I'm just saying that it's the only way of getting it back and you failed. I honestly wouldn't mind if the British government gave it to the French, Spanish, Argentinians etc but any country would be stupid to give up territory, that has strategic importance, to another country just because it says it is theirs. thats how the world works and there's nothing we can do about it, unfortunately!
cra83 3 years ago
oh, and i would say that Britain claiming Buenos Aires is similar to Argentina claiming London. its nowhere near the same as the Falklands!
I would compare the Falklands to the isle of wight if you are going to use that arguement
cra83 3 years ago
cra83 El punto es que los argumentos británicos son cambiante, poco sólidos y faltos de argumentos firmes. Ustedes ocupan actualemnte las islas no porque les pertenezcan por legítimo derecho sino porque ganaron la guerra, pero eso no les otorga la razón.
handofgod12345 3 years ago
Do you Argentinians watch these videos, just to argue?! Did you read my last comment correctly?! I said it's not for us to argue, it's up to our governments to come to a conclusion. I was just pointing out the British side of things. You seem to think British people are stupid (some are, but, this is true with all countries) and make wild claims. Also, according to you, changing arguments. You need to realise you are speaking to a reasonable, educated man. Not some idiot who knows nothing
cra83 3 years ago
oh, and furthermore... Do you see us attacking Denmark over the Faroe Islands? They are close to us and were inhabited by early British and Irish people in the 1st century A.D. I think both Argentina and Britain have claim to the Falklands. But to settle an argument, we should hand them to Spain or France! One last thing, how about you (very possibly descended from Spanish people)give Argentina back to the native Argentinians? EVERY country is made up of settlers, there's no escaping that!
cra83 3 years ago 6
just like Dan said Argentina wiil never try to take back the Falklands from England because this time they got a big base bring it on .
richysst 3 years ago
Never say never
USArCOWARDS 3 years ago
i believe on the british military power video someoen asked you a question usa?
mrgeorgeallison 3 years ago
Really what was the video and the question?
USArCOWARDS 3 years ago
from england? you mean britain?
mrgeorgeallison 3 years ago
god save the paras.
para this and para that,
paras all the way,
an interesting time for paras,
as the bullets start to play
2parabattalion 3 years ago 3
silverlake777 3 years ago 2
eurargio1 are You suggesting the Argentinian Marines, were fucked over by some gay Brit Soldiers, Argentines Best defeated into, an Ingnominous Surrender by, GAY Guys,,,??? Lets have more Gay Troops,, eurargio1 engage Brain before, Mouthing off
keirfree 3 years ago
check "vida joven en Malvinas"
in 5:07 "men rubbing each other in a thong" and "dressed like women" in Mount Pleasant?!
eurargio1 3 years ago
And so what, I'm sure if I looked for it, I could find some videos of gay Argentine men. But as I'm not gay and not in the least bit interested...
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
They are british soldiers having sex with each other. You say you dont care about that but also gives me a lesson of british morality...
eurargio1 3 years ago
I don't care but that says more about my tolerance and speaks reams about your homophobia.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
Oh - he was gorgeous....;-)))
crawleygat37 3 years ago
The people who have been living on that island for generations and call it their home have the right to decide under whose jurisdiction they want to be subject. They chose Britain (full citizenship aquired 1983), and until the inhabitants decide otherwise; those islands will be legally British and recognised as such by the international community.
DarkArchon88 3 years ago
since they are british, they cant claim selfdetermination
this is a dispute between british and argentines, no indigenous population
eurargio1 3 years ago
Self determination is a fundamental right under the UN charter, it can't be applied selectively as you seem to think - which by the way is rather racist.
Over 90% of the current population of Argentina is descended from immigrants. By you standard none of them have any right to self-determination. This simple reductio ad absurdum shows how foolish your claim is.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
Even though 1982 is the year i was born, i hope this war doesn't get forgotten, or to be more accurate British heroes who gave life and limb.
00000Dean00000 3 years ago 2
18 yr old and a fan of Hitler. What a wally.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
People get very emotional about this, for good reason. But they should show some respect, for both sides' dead. Britain won this war - the fools who think otherwise only serve to disrespect their own, who died. Even Napoleon admitted defeat, with utmost self respect. If folk don't feel for the sacrifice of their own, this goes on. And we have a squadron of F3s, ready.
transonicbuoy1 3 years ago
Dan you is a bambi...
9238050 3 years ago
Não pisarão na Amazonia brasileira tão facilmente ingleses, cem dos seus soldados não se igualam a um guerreiro da selva...Venham e verão a morte a cada passo.
É lamentável que o Brasil tenha apenas mandado pilotos de rastreamento para a guerra das Malvinas, o final teria sido outro...
9238050 3 years ago
deberia darte verguenza sucio imperialista ingles, son rapiña que se inmiscuyen en cualquier lado del mundo que puedan. LAS MALVINAS FUERON, SON Y SERAN ARGENTINAS.
SERGIOBCHE 3 years ago
exists a difference between "invade" and "recover". You invaded and we tried to recovered. Get out of my country!! go home!
abcdefghijklf 3 years ago
No you invaded, trying to justify the indefensible seems an Argentine trait. The 30,000 disappeared during the Dirty War reduces every year in official Argentine figures.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
"The 30,000 disappeared during the Dirty War reduces every year in official Argentine figures", now I know what kind of man are you... you are a happy lier.
Our boys are truly men, you are a disgrace for your own people.
eurargio1 3 years ago
Really, last year the Argentine Government produced further estimates of the numbers of disappeared. Funnily enough the numbers went down again and are around 25% of the figures issued by human rights groups.
Funnily enough I never here Argentine come out and flat say "the dirty war was wrong", there's always a little excuse that they were only "montoneros" killed or that there numbers aren't as bad as 30000, never that it was wrong.
A real man admits his failings, a macho man can't.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
you clearly have litle news of Argentina over there
the thing is: CONADEP was a high level civil commitee with official support that interviewed thousands of victims and produced a well known document called NUNCA MAS with a well documented estimate of victims
anyway the important thing is that our Justice put the commanders of the Junta on jail for life
eurargio1 3 years ago
No it didn't they were let out almost straight away. Funny how you forgot to mention that.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
Masera and Videla are imprisoned right now, fyi
eurargio1 3 years ago
Two out of how many guilty?
Videla is under house arrest, which isn't exactly hard time is it?
Masera had a stroke in 2004, the case against him was dropped.
Interesting, yet another case of the truth not quite matching the spin.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
How many people in prison is needed for Argentina according to you?
On the other hand, how many british are you going to put in jails after the Irak and Afganistan robbery?
eurargio1 3 years ago
Mmm, did pointing out your hypocrisy hit a nerve?
British forces who committed crimes in Iraq have been jailed, in fact they went so far out of the way to be seen to just that they prosecuted several cases that should never have seen a court room.
Sorry if that doesn't match the picture you're trying to paint.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
The police officers that killed the Nigerian inmigrant by asfixia, and others before, what about that?
And the UK crimes in Irak are being committed AS WE SPEAK! You talk about my hipocresy???
eurargio1 3 years ago
Yeah right.
Not that you wouldn't be influence by a racist, xenophobic hatred of the British by any chance?
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
How can I be racist if my grandparents found liberty and freedom for their race in Argentina?
I dont see why you have to insult me like that.
eurargio1 3 years ago
Only because you use racist and offensive language. Were you to converse in a reasonable manner I would reply in kind.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
please tell me what are you answering with this: "Not that you wouldn't be influence by a racist, xenophobic hatred of the British by any chance?"
eurargio1 3 years ago
Probably in reponse to one of your racist, xenophobic posts.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
I dont care about your racial origin, nor if you are a peaceful foreigner. But you guys are agressors to my country, having a military force 8000 miles from your home, and only 400 km from mine.
eurargio1 3 years ago
Which is only there because your country chose to resort to unprovoked aggression. The force is fairly small, threatens no-one.
The only aggressors are Argentine, which continues to aggressively pursue a policy of confrontation over the islands.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
No man, your guys are militarily occupaying our islands with 2000 soldiers and 2000 settlers to support them.
UK government is there because of his ambitions!
eurargio1 3 years ago
This is nonsense, the Falklands were British before Argentina even existed. I can pick the Argentine sovereignty claim to pieces in seconds.
The people living there have been there for over 175 years in some cases, how many Argentines go back that far?
The 1000 military are they purely to deter Argentine aggression. Before the 1982 there was only 40 Royal Marines.
tootiredtobeoriginal 3 years ago
"I can pick the Argentine sovereignty claim to pieces in seconds"
"The people living there have been there for over 175 years in some cases, how many Argentines go back that far?" much more than 2000!
you are a funny guy
eurargio1 3 years ago