@blamethenile I believe in what is said, I saw lots of examples and I'm the exapmple myself, that if you are a REAL alcoholic, you can't stay sober by your will. There's no pill for alcoholizm, and no alcoholic can stop and not to drink whenever he wants to because it's our mind that is sick and I won't run from my mind. So, did you finish the 12 steps? tried living them? Because from your video it seems that you just tried something but did not get it..
@siausiu It sounds like you are in denial, utterly unable to believe anything which contradicts steppism. Check out our videos on cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias for some further explanation of that from which you seem to suffer. Hope it helps. Mike BD
@blamethenile so what exactly are the efective actions an alcoholic can take? What alternative are you suggesting? Maybe I should really leave aa and find a better way?
@siausiu If you are happy there, why would you want to leave? Similarly, if you have no doubts its effectiveness and methods, why are you cruising step-critical sites? Mike BD
@blamethenile I'm jus t teasing you, sorry :) I don't want to leave at all, before aa my life was s**it. why would I want to come back there.. no thanx. I saw your video accidently and I was amazed how people are somehow resentful on aa blaming it for his/her s**ty life and living with that resentment for years..so how do you deal with it? There's no connection between anger and happy life. You didn't tell me ANY other solution to stop drinking? Not one!
@blamethenile so why are there so many of those living a nightmare of alcoholism, or dying because of alcohol. You think, they don't want to stop? Go visit some addiction centres, visit alcoholics' families, ask them do they want a life like this? If just STOP would be as simple ther would be no alcoholics.
@siausiu People who want to stop do so. I didn't say it was easy, I said that is how it is done. Do they want to quit drinking, or do they just want to quit getting the crappy consequences of drinking? Telling them they are powerless to quit unless they submit to the faith-healing psychobabble of steppism worsens the problem. I know that if my only options were to buy into the 12-step BS or continue drinking, I would probably continue drinking. That, however, is a false dilemma. Mike BD
@blamethenile maybe someday when I will not have what else to do. Now I have 2 kids and my beloved husband and many friends, mostly from aa, I live another life. I won't bother myself, I don't need to proove anyone that aa worked for me, or my husband. I'm just sorry that there are so many undecided people making things up in their mind and thinking (without trying) that 12step program is something awfull. It's really simple when you're through, you become free. <3
@blamethenile P.S> Thanks for posting. You reminded me that like no other program, aa does not try to convice that it is the best way to live a sober life. The real men and women are my examples I want to follow not because I am SAID so but because I WANT to have what many of them have - happiness, serenity, reunited homes and relationships with family members. That's why I live 12steps. What I saw in your videos was CONVINCING, that's why aa is more atractive, they don't do that ;) Good luck ;)
people saying that it's not working are just jealous to have such a life which 12 steps give to millions. Why to post such many posts on youtube about how bad it is if you are a happy person? If did not work for you - go on find a better way to be happy and live a free life. You are not committed to AA, you don't like it? Leave it! If you are unhappy - that's your problem, deal with it. 12 steps tells me how to do it. It works for me ;)
@blamethenile Sorry, I didn't like it because it is just leads people to missunderstanding. Someone maybe will DIE today because of drinking, because he/she watched your video, was prejudiced against aa, and refused to go to the aa meeting wich may help. Simple: I drink>no help>I loose>I die. Go on, make another grave and feel good about "great" videos. I'm not saying AA is the best, just let people choose by encouraging them to TRY before they decide not to try.
@siausiu Lots of people are going to die today because of alcohol. AA does nothing to alter that outcome. In fact, convincing them that they are powerless to quit on their own and can be redeemed only through divine intervention compounds the problem and keeps them from taking effective action. Videos don't kill people, steppism does. Mike BD
@blamethenile what do you call effective action? And I haven't heard of anyone ever "gone" for living (not just going to the meetings and doing nothing) the aa program :)
@PqV72MT4 yeeeehhh :DD my brain was washed from resentment, fair, guilt, self hatredness, self pitty and other s**t, shutting the door to a better life. Don't try it, it may work for you too! :DDD
@PqV72MT4 yeeeehhh :DD my brain was washed from resentment, fair, guilt, self hatredness, self pitty and other s**t, shutting the door to a better life. Don't try it, it may work for you too! :DDD
I agree with your video presentation 100 percent. After my 5th step, I felt ok, and then I felt like shit because I just shared some very personal things about my life that had nothing to do with harming others. Yes, adult mistakes, I take responsibility..too much to say.
yeah its obvious too because they are hateful towards people who drink and people who do not want the program .. they want to be punishing towards people who know the real deal .. reminds me of modern christianity
@SoundHustlerMusic I agree, and I don't know why people call AA a death cult. No one is forcing anyone to go, and you're free to leave. It's anonymous, so people don't hunt you down (nor should they) if you stop coming. I go to meetings because nothing else has worked for me, it's that simple. I'm an isolator when I drink & drug, so it's exactly what I need. I don't drink, and I get to meetings. Peace out.
@ronatholl , more depressing you ask? yeah how about blacking out, throwing up, sleeping with sketchy strangers, wasting all your money and possibly getting behind a wheel drunk and hurting someone?? I might say so.
I can not agree MORE I know because my ex of almost 4 years who I stood by through thick and thin Never left his side when he was with me HAS NOW BEEN TOLD TO CUT TIES WITH OLD RELATIONSHIPS AND START "HIS NEW LIFE" What a bunch of crap. The pain that this organization inflicts on sober and good people in alcoholics lives is unmeasurable. Anyone who says this is not true has never really researched WHAT they are taught to do. 90 in 90 days lose old relationship and stick with the winners?
@abrahamsauto "AA Is Now Your Family" is another video we did with a similar theme. Sorry to hear of your difficulties, and wish you the best in it all. Thanks for the post. Mike BD
@abrahamsauto I can relate. Have several family members who did the same though I have been a sober person my whole life. This program does not promote healing. Did you know that Dr. Bob was a Freemason by the way?
@abrahamsauto Nonsence! nobody in AA can tell you to leave old relationship because simply our Big Book says that "public acceptance of A.A. grew by leaps and bounds. For this there were two principal reasons:the large number of recoveries, and REUNITED HOMES." ("Preface to second edition"BB) And if someone does - he's not GOD, he's just a human and makes mistakes, he simply doesn't know the principles of AA. If there is such a group giving advices somewhere then it will not survive.
@siausiu Five out of a hundred isn't a large number. Sorry. How many old timers in the meetings you attend are still with the SO they had when they arrived in AA? Mike BD
@blamethenile I didn't understand the question " How many old timers in the meetings you attend are still with the SO they had when they arrived in AA?" Can you refrase it, please? :)
@abrahamsauto AA doesn't give advices, you have to choose the way yourself, that is the beauty! :) If you don't have drinking problems - don't go there ;) Nobody teaches in AA. If you have such an AA I feel sory for you. If you still feel pain for that he left you and imagine that AA told your partner to leave you I feel sorry for you more. Just keep looking at yourself what you did, not what aa or your ex did. Maybe you were worth it..
What are the facts as far as how many people AA kills a year? What are the catastrophic effects of do these 12 steps? Where are the facts about AA being a death cult? What religion does AA make some one follow?
Really well done. AA made things worse for me. I quit on my own after i left. My moment of clarity came when i realized that AA is a forum for losers to recruit people to pick on. then they feel better about their miserable selves.
aa wants you to believe in jesus and if you dont they follow you around and beat you up and then when you go to the police they lie about beatin you up and pretend to not believe in jesus when they really do and the police wont believe them anyway and will make aa say sorry and go to jail until they are sorry to everyone
@videocircus You have me confused here. In your other post, you mentioned having attended 5 meetings, and continuing to drink. Here, you sing the praises of AA as though you are a seasoned AA veteran. Whatever you have going on, good luck with it, and feel free to keep folks posted. Mike
@videocircus One needs neither a desire to quit drinking, nor an addiction to anything to be considered a member of AA. As for it being free, you get what you pay for. Mike
@videocircus All religions are man-made, are they not? This one is steppism, Wilsonism, Buchmanism, whatever you would like to call it, as converted to by the process of the 12 steps: admissions of powerlessness and insanity followed by a surrender to God; a listing of one's sins; confession of those sins; begging for forgiveness; continued listing and confession of sins; a very specific formula of prayer; and the recruitment of others. Mike
OK...yes all religions are man made. This is one of the problems that I now have with AA is that their program requires (but does not enforce) its members to achieve sobriety through a spiritual awakening in GOD. I thought originaly that they were refering to the God of Christianity (which is my God), but now know that they are not, but are actually refering to any God that a member chooses to find. This I can't agree with as through my faith in Christ there is no other God.
@videocircus Well, yeah...it's open to members of ALL religions, athiests, agnostics, anyone. If you have Christ in your life then you're ahead of the game because you have faith in a God, your God, The God, whatever.
Other than AA being a CULT that indoctrinates members into it's ways, the main reason I can't support AA is because it supports the following of other God's as a way for it's members to have a "spiritual awakening" This is unacceptable to God, therefore it is unacceptable to me. Scripture states that their is only ONE GOD and their are no other God's before him. To worship any other God, is to worship Lucifer who is all other God's serving under many different names
Bill W said the ultimate purpose was to serve "A GOD" not "GOD".
I have no regrets about leaving AA and can only pray that others who go to the meetings are able to find the strength to question what they are doing in the meetings, and what the meetings are doing to them.
AA despises any form of questioning of it's 12 step program, and if you do choose to question it openly durring a meeting you are instantly shunned and out-cast by the other members. Happened to me.
@videocircus When a person points out the truth about the Program,Bill W and other members it terrifies most steppers, the looks on their faces is one of shear terror. Like all religions AA/NA doctrine is one big delusion.
@blamethenile nobody decides who is "considered" to be a member but a person himself. AA doesn't heal anyone. And it cannot help others suffering from other addictions but alcoholism. You have so little understanding and knowledge about AA..
Has this person ever seen anyone die of Alcoholism,it's not very nice. I have a friend with the disease very near to death,still cant stop drinking. Thank God AA brainwashed me to stop drinking.
@sidecrank "Recovered" is a very subjective word when used in the 12-step context. I have met a few people who quit drinking and gave AA the credit. Mike
I've heard a lot of stories that keeping alcohol or cigarettes(if that's your vice) near you actually helps people avoid it... something to do with tricking the mind into thinking you are drinking beer when there's only water in the can, or thinking: "I'll have a smoke later" when your never really intent on doing so.
People need to think outside the box and make some goddamn research on human psychology before creating these programs.
I quit the bottle about 5 years ago after my wife said she wanted a divorce. She gave me one more last chance and I haven't touched a drop since. The first few months were tough, then it got easier. Now, I have no desire or temptation to go back. I never went to AA or rehab. I couldn't buy in to the powerless philosophy, and I don't believe in a higher power. I guess if AA keeps you sober, that's great. I disagree that it is the only way to sobriety.
@jrewert Thanks for the post, and congrats on your continued success. Most people quit exactly as you did, on their own after prompted by life's situations. If you were to go to a meeting and tell them what you told us, you would be told that you aren't a real alcoholic, are in denial, and are merely a dry drunk, not truly recovered. So it goes. Mike
been in for 36 days sober, and going to test my sponsor by saying "no" for once and see where that takes me. i dont like having my life taken away from me and telling me i need to be "married to AA" if i get any of the reactions that i have been hearing about, i'm out
@zachjones225 You seem very perceptive, so I'm betting you will be making light work of the rhetoric and dogma. Keep taking care of youself, and thanks for the posts. Mike
@zachjones225 lol please let us know how that works for ya , 1 step you are powerless 2 step hand your live over to god or HP , that was enough for me , i am powerful and can do anything if i try , and i dont like like ideal of handing over my live to god , hp , are anyone else , what a bunch of brain wash wack jobs at AA , i think i big part of me being sober is i hate AA so much i never want to go back to meetings and listen to people bitch and wine , or chant the bs AA cult slogans , clut
There is no honesty in AA at all. 1st, no-one is powerless from the first step on you're RIGOROUSLY LIED TO! If AA worked, you wouldn't be strung out on a 12 step religious cult. AA gives a simplistic excuse & a simplistic dogma to repeat while you tread, endlessly on the ‘dis-ease’ concept , Recovery Rat-wheel.
Keep in mind, after a few years in AA and giving it your all, ( just like when you discovered there is no santa claus ) you find out it's bull, you leave disillusioned but, you take with you the ideas like powerlessness, and once a alky always etc, you bring all the bologna filling your head, then what do you do? Drink? Try AA again? Quit drinking then work on your problems if you wish, even go to church if you think it will help, but 12 steps is a vicious circle of BS.
@theral66 That sounds like more 12step cult talk. If you can't stop yourself, who can? Answer is nobody. Alcoholism, as defined by AA does not exist. This is why the Medical profession can not help. AA would be good for support, making non drinking friends etc except the people who need the most incouragement, get told they are helpless, and get made fun of and have real issues laughed at and tossed aside. They get worse, because of AA ' philosophy '. If you want to stop, only you can for U
This video is such a joke and so are the others, They are doing exactly what they claim AA is doing and that is brain washing. They want you to follow them and their anti AA atheist ways and believe AA is a cult but actually they are recruiting and deceiving people. Most likely they failed or know people who couldn't get sober and they are pissed.
I been sober over 17 years and i did it through Alcoholics Anonymous and believe me no person is controlling me, ....your all deception and hate dude
@friendzofbill Here is one thing, they claim one can believe in any HP they wish, but you can't, you'll be led right back to the 12 step god, even if you believe it heretical to believe GOD will help you stop drinking, The Christian religions says drunkeness is a sin, and if drinking it causes you or your brother to sin, don't do it. You are as free as Adam and Eve in the garden to choose. If you do good, you get your reward, choose bad, you get your reward. But not with AA's tin god.
I sense a resentment...good luck on your next 4th step....be honest and you can recover. Who gave you the fucking right to post a video that could keep people drunk and use maynards voice in the process. Go do a real house cleaning you fucking retard...
you will be told to stop all drugs except nicotine! Why is this ? Cigarettes Kill more people in this country then alcohol and all the street drugs combined each and every year!! Including the 20th century recovery gooroo his self!!!
I find it ironic that the co-founder of the much ballyhooed treatment program for addiction, died of his active life long addiction to the drug nicotine. Perhaps Bill W was not restored to sanity after all.
For those who say AA is about alcohol not nicotine, go to a AA meeting and say you smoke cannabis, or even take a prescribed pain med and see how you are treated! Yet, what doctor prescribes cigarettes?? No matter how many drugs you take when entering AA you will be told to stop unless it's
@YankeeTom63 I tried self quitting, the i tried suicide, didn't work for me. There two types of alcholics one types just needs a big enough of an insentive, the other can't quit even dispite the fact there child has died and he couldn't make his funeral. These hopless cases, CAN and DO recouvery.
The biggest problem is that the court system has set up AA as it default recovery program, offering little sway for those who are skeptical of it's efficacy. Many issues that people who abuse alcohol have could be solved if they would see a psychologist. Since this is not an option for some because of purely fiscal reasons the courts have taken it upon themselves to essential diagnose a disorder, alcoholism, and prescribe treatment, AA. This cannot continue if we are to be an ethical society.
@ChaoticHypothesis: I find it horrific that a US court can legally bind someone to so obvious a religious cult, or face jail time. It is, as far as I know (I'm not a US citizen) a complete bastardisation of the Constitution and the rights laid out therein.
As i understand it AA is not required but treatment of some sort is. Most treatments however are very costly and for many citizens not an option, so AA is suggested and used by most. The treatment I attend actually requires AA atendence for completion.
Please visit exposeaa.webs. We are looking for people who have been forced to participate in the 12 step cult by employers and courts. We are also looking for individuals who have been denied an organ transplant for failing to participate in the AA cult. Please tell your story. Together we can change things.
lol AA talks before they think maybe they need to sit down and ask a few question about AA billions get sober with out AA cult , but its there life if they want to go to meetings for 25 years and never get better up to them but i think thats why there so mad and grumpy we did it with out AA , it would be hard to change your mind after years of being lied to i feel sorry for them AA zombies branwash lies bullying to hind the truth AA dose not work and is for weak minds who like coffee and cake
Seeing that surfman72 is a big fat coward I will quote the comment he pulled
"Are you a sober Alcoholic? If so maybe you could enlighten me with how you do it? If not how could you know what you are talking about?"
Sober? Never "Short of Being Entirely Ready" Alcoholic? That is a stupid term for culties, I am not a cultie. How I do it? Just fucking quit and stop being a sissy.
If you can't control alcohol, you shouldn't drink it. AA isn't going to help when it comes to that simple truth.If you can disprove our assertions, do it. Otherwise, you are just spewing dogma. Mike
So booze bottles attack people? The idea that you no control of what goes in your mouth when it starts in your hand is not only stupid it is preposterous.
Sounds more like someone skipping out on responsibility for the things they do INTENTIONALLY.
Your "millions helped" works out to 5% with and 5% without which mean it is nothing more than placebo. I am sure people are helped by the rubber chicken too.
Closed mind is supporting the cult in spite of the evidence shown. Your account = FAIL
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ise, go back to mtgs. you have a messed up angry life. get some humility and return. we all know all you do is talk that RR b.s. and you are a real loser without AA
I know that I am no longer brainwashed by the program of AA. I am able to walk in reality "free" of any of its dogmatc lies. When AA members cross my path in real life, I do not want whatever it is they think they have. I don't want their incurable disease, their forever cult, or their goofy religion. AA is magical miracle thinking that isn't based on reality. AA has zero reality based solutions to addiction. AA is a sick social cult. I lived it enough to know the truth. I am glad I left AA.
godly -- it is immaterial what you find difficult to believe. You have nothing to contribute here. except to prove that you have nothing to contribute.
I remember going out for coffee with a group after an AA meeting and they were laughing and saying AA is the largest outpatient clinic in the world.They loved being an out patient.I am not a patient and do not choose to associate any longer with such unhealthy people.
The idea that you are as sick as your secrets is yet another false belief in AA dogma.I know there is no such thing as a confidence kept in AA.The gossip starts the minute the meeting is over,with cell phones it is all over town before you can get home after sharing your secrets in the meeting.
Another benefit of leaving AA is that you no longer get all of those daily phone calls from the whiners.I found most AA members were looking for someone to plug into.AA meetings are feeding frenzies.
The whole program of AA is based on a flawed premise.The idea that one is powerless,not to trust your own thinking or inner guidance,need to attend group meetings for life,calling your self an alcoholic after years of sobriety and worst of all allowing some unhealthy sponsor to guide your life choices.
apostle here again.i see dick head dix is doing all the hiring and firing now.more than likely its the same guy that is nile.or its the other member of their 2 strong gang against the sober world that hide behind the vale of the internet.if it works for others let them be.go hassle the johovas or the harry's.
Nope, only the list owners, which dix is not one of, do the firing hereabouts. I, otoh, am one of those list owners, and you are fired. Wiedersehn, Mike
They say in AA if you walk the yellow brick road it will lead you to paradise! But they fail to tell you that road dead ends to the sewer full of beer instead of raw sewage. Cults leaders know that in order to keep thier flock underder control . They use fear and intim. as a tool . So did the Roman Empi. And Jim Jones
You can easily see the type of out of alignment people that attend AA by the comments they make on sites like these.I have never in my life met such dogmatic rigid needy people.
To all of those who would really like to leave AA but are too afraid I say "take back your power,if you are sober it is because you chose to be sober and you do not owe AA your time and energy for the rest of your life".
12 step programs attract really unbalanced people.The healthy ones leave.The only relationships you end up with as friends or lovers are really sick.Go else where to meet healthy friends and loved ones.Don't waste your time in 12 step meetings.
OK Next time Dr sherwoode 7 dont talk for me. I really wish that the anti people would realize that you are mad normally at one or a couple people. Not the program. Don't waste your time leaving messages. By the way your are as sick as your serects. Have you heard that one before?
I don't have any secrets making me sick, but the entire AA organization is full of secrets making it a program that promotes a delusional incurable disease to make & keep people sick. Most of us anti-AAs have real reasons to hate the entire AA organization from the fraud founding to its present day cult horrors that exist inside the rooms of AA. I have zero respect for ALL AA members, because AA is a fraud cult of sick people harming others & nothing more.
Ok so in the real perfect mind of your's you don't have any serects. That is hard for me to believe. And why do you think that 12 step groups are bad. because you don't get it. everyone of the hater calls it a cult. By the way the Gov't keeps tabs on all cults. If NA and AA are cults the Gov't would have time to think about anything else trying to follow us. So keep it up. YOU are making a real difference in the world. Go to a meeting and try to get some help
No, I do not have an secrets that is a lie. I did work the entire program throughly so my opinion of AA being a cult is based on my experience with the organization, based on my research & investigation of the claims AA makes. AA harms more people than it helps I witnessed it first hand myself. AA & NA are fraud faith healing cults, & our country is full of cults that the gov does not fully keep tabs on.
Hey Man, GGMan is such a fucktard.. I refuse to debate with him anymore.. He has more anger and bullshit than anyone on here yet continually espouses God, Jesus & the 12 steps !!!!!!!!! **YAWN**
apostlecreed -- just exactly what business is that of yours? Yur approval is not required. never has been never will be. Your business here is concluded.
I see you're still full of shit, godly. Couldn't respond on yer happy clappy NA vid, cos the troll blocked me - you numbties seem to dish it out but cant take it!
here you go again trying to brain wash people yourself.if your so happy to be gone from aa why are you still obsessed on making videos about it.surely you should be just damned with it and leave it all behind you,but you cant can you,it still plays a big part in your life even after you are gone.bye the way there are still millions of happy aa's all over the world and there is still a seat there for you
I have said before: It does not matter what aaers think & say & do. Take control of your own thoughts feelings and actions. Just walk on by them and live well
Oh Yes,your told over and over that AA is your family.You are encouraged to distance yourself from family and friends.You are told that it is just easier to go with someone in AA.
I witnessed so many in AA spending most of their time with AA activities rather than taking care of their real responsibilities like a job or their families.
Yep.. Having left 6 years ago, Ive occasionally run into some of my old "friends" who are still in the "program" - they have mostly gotten stranger over time and more and more dogmatic and brainwashed.
I know of a little crew of about 15 people who stay so close there is no room for anyone outside AA and many have got married to each other and had kids...
If it was simply a quit drinking and move on with your life program it would be all fine - but it isn't - people get stuck and never move on
dix,I am so glad to see the truth about so many of the AA meetings being brought out into the open.I was in my 20's when I went to AA and I wish I had this information @ the time.
sherwoode, I understand that. I knew a small number of people who went there for a 'sounding board'. They did not stay long. Too negative and defeatist.
AA brainwashes you into believing you owe your sobriety to AA,not to trust your inner guidance,not to trust your own thinking and worst of all that if you choose to leave AA you will die drunk or insane.Utter nonsense.
I was told many times: that I didn't know what I felt or thought, to go against my gut instincts, to put a sticky note on the bathroom mirror that says, "You are wrong" (great affirmation, not!) & don't leave or you will drink, go insane, & die. Despite this brainwashing my gut instinct finally screamed at me in a mtg to "GET OUT NOW!!" at the time I did not know I was in a cult, but I knew something was very, very wrong ... Orange & Blame saved my life from AA.
We appreciate the kudos, but both Orange and us will assure that YOU get all the credit for the healthy choices you have made. We present references, and validation, but ultimately, people make their own choices. We appreciate your ongoing support and contributions to this site. Mike
Can you tell honestly for how long have you been sober?
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu June of 1994. You? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile 26/09/2003 So, what's your "recipe"? :)
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu I don't drink at all. Ever. No matter what. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile I believe in what is said, I saw lots of examples and I'm the exapmple myself, that if you are a REAL alcoholic, you can't stay sober by your will. There's no pill for alcoholizm, and no alcoholic can stop and not to drink whenever he wants to because it's our mind that is sick and I won't run from my mind. So, did you finish the 12 steps? tried living them? Because from your video it seems that you just tried something but did not get it..
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu It sounds like you are in denial, utterly unable to believe anything which contradicts steppism. Check out our videos on cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias for some further explanation of that from which you seem to suffer. Hope it helps. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile so what exactly are the efective actions an alcoholic can take? What alternative are you suggesting? Maybe I should really leave aa and find a better way?
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu If you are happy there, why would you want to leave? Similarly, if you have no doubts its effectiveness and methods, why are you cruising step-critical sites? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile I'm jus t teasing you, sorry :) I don't want to leave at all, before aa my life was s**it. why would I want to come back there.. no thanx. I saw your video accidently and I was amazed how people are somehow resentful on aa blaming it for his/her s**ty life and living with that resentment for years..so how do you deal with it? There's no connection between anger and happy life. You didn't tell me ANY other solution to stop drinking? Not one!
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu Again, there is only one solution to stop drinking, which is to stop drinking. Nothing magical, profound or complicated. Stop. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile so why are there so many of those living a nightmare of alcoholism, or dying because of alcohol. You think, they don't want to stop? Go visit some addiction centres, visit alcoholics' families, ask them do they want a life like this? If just STOP would be as simple ther would be no alcoholics.
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu People who want to stop do so. I didn't say it was easy, I said that is how it is done. Do they want to quit drinking, or do they just want to quit getting the crappy consequences of drinking? Telling them they are powerless to quit unless they submit to the faith-healing psychobabble of steppism worsens the problem. I know that if my only options were to buy into the 12-step BS or continue drinking, I would probably continue drinking. That, however, is a false dilemma. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile so, you didn't have any problems with drinnking, right? you just decided and stoped? or you never started?
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu Wrong. Watch a few more Blamethenile videos. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile maybe someday when I will not have what else to do. Now I have 2 kids and my beloved husband and many friends, mostly from aa, I live another life. I won't bother myself, I don't need to proove anyone that aa worked for me, or my husband. I'm just sorry that there are so many undecided people making things up in their mind and thinking (without trying) that 12step program is something awfull. It's really simple when you're through, you become free. <3
siausiu 1 month ago
@blamethenile P.S> Thanks for posting. You reminded me that like no other program, aa does not try to convice that it is the best way to live a sober life. The real men and women are my examples I want to follow not because I am SAID so but because I WANT to have what many of them have - happiness, serenity, reunited homes and relationships with family members. That's why I live 12steps. What I saw in your videos was CONVINCING, that's why aa is more atractive, they don't do that ;) Good luck ;)
siausiu 1 month ago
people saying that it's not working are just jealous to have such a life which 12 steps give to millions. Why to post such many posts on youtube about how bad it is if you are a happy person? If did not work for you - go on find a better way to be happy and live a free life. You are not committed to AA, you don't like it? Leave it! If you are unhappy - that's your problem, deal with it. 12 steps tells me how to do it. It works for me ;)
siausiu 3 months ago
@siausiu So, how did you like the video? Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago
@blamethenile Sorry, I didn't like it because it is just leads people to missunderstanding. Someone maybe will DIE today because of drinking, because he/she watched your video, was prejudiced against aa, and refused to go to the aa meeting wich may help. Simple: I drink>no help>I loose>I die. Go on, make another grave and feel good about "great" videos. I'm not saying AA is the best, just let people choose by encouraging them to TRY before they decide not to try.
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu Lots of people are going to die today because of alcohol. AA does nothing to alter that outcome. In fact, convincing them that they are powerless to quit on their own and can be redeemed only through divine intervention compounds the problem and keeps them from taking effective action. Videos don't kill people, steppism does. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile what do you call effective action? And I haven't heard of anyone ever "gone" for living (not just going to the meetings and doing nothing) the aa program :)
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu People who can't drink responsibly shouldn't drink at all. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@siausiu you sound like a brainwashed zombie.
PqV72MT4 1 month ago
@PqV72MT4 yeeeehhh :DD my brain was washed from resentment, fair, guilt, self hatredness, self pitty and other s**t, shutting the door to a better life. Don't try it, it may work for you too! :DDD
siausiu 1 month ago
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@PqV72MT4 yeeeehhh :DD my brain was washed from resentment, fair, guilt, self hatredness, self pitty and other s**t, shutting the door to a better life. Don't try it, it may work for you too! :DDD
siausiu 1 month ago
I agree with your video presentation 100 percent. After my 5th step, I felt ok, and then I felt like shit because I just shared some very personal things about my life that had nothing to do with harming others. Yes, adult mistakes, I take responsibility..too much to say.
hellstotheyesbaby 6 months ago
THERE ARE NO "WINNERS" IN AA (OR 12 STEP PROGRAMS)
HOW CAN THOSE WHO STICK TO BRAINWASHED LOSERS
BE WINNERS ? THERE ARE NO "GREAT MEN" IN AA.
THERE ARE NO "SPIRITUAL GIANTS" IN AA.
THERE ARE A LOT OF SELF-CONFESSED "HUMBLE & GREAT"
PEOPLE, IN AA. THE SAME GOES FOR SELF-CONFESSED
"SPIRITUAL GIANTS" !
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 8 months ago
yeah its obvious too because they are hateful towards people who drink and people who do not want the program .. they want to be punishing towards people who know the real deal .. reminds me of modern christianity
TheRealEMURSE 8 months ago 2
Don't be a TOOL, stay away from AA.
3urkej4mes 8 months ago 5
@SoundHustlerMusic I agree, and I don't know why people call AA a death cult. No one is forcing anyone to go, and you're free to leave. It's anonymous, so people don't hunt you down (nor should they) if you stop coming. I go to meetings because nothing else has worked for me, it's that simple. I'm an isolator when I drink & drug, so it's exactly what I need. I don't drink, and I get to meetings. Peace out.
belowthepovertyline 8 months ago
90 meetings in ninety days can there be anything more depressing than that
ronatholl 9 months ago 3
@ronatholl , more depressing you ask? yeah how about blacking out, throwing up, sleeping with sketchy strangers, wasting all your money and possibly getting behind a wheel drunk and hurting someone?? I might say so.
bencohn1 4 months ago
I can not agree MORE I know because my ex of almost 4 years who I stood by through thick and thin Never left his side when he was with me HAS NOW BEEN TOLD TO CUT TIES WITH OLD RELATIONSHIPS AND START "HIS NEW LIFE" What a bunch of crap. The pain that this organization inflicts on sober and good people in alcoholics lives is unmeasurable. Anyone who says this is not true has never really researched WHAT they are taught to do. 90 in 90 days lose old relationship and stick with the winners?
abrahamsauto 10 months ago 4
@abrahamsauto "AA Is Now Your Family" is another video we did with a similar theme. Sorry to hear of your difficulties, and wish you the best in it all. Thanks for the post. Mike BD
blamethenile 10 months ago
@abrahamsauto I can relate. Have several family members who did the same though I have been a sober person my whole life. This program does not promote healing. Did you know that Dr. Bob was a Freemason by the way?
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@abrahamsauto ..agree. its a cult!!..end of.
euroman32589 4 months ago
@abrahamsauto Nonsence! nobody in AA can tell you to leave old relationship because simply our Big Book says that "public acceptance of A.A. grew by leaps and bounds. For this there were two principal reasons:the large number of recoveries, and REUNITED HOMES." ("Preface to second edition"BB) And if someone does - he's not GOD, he's just a human and makes mistakes, he simply doesn't know the principles of AA. If there is such a group giving advices somewhere then it will not survive.
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu Five out of a hundred isn't a large number. Sorry. How many old timers in the meetings you attend are still with the SO they had when they arrived in AA? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile what is the SO?
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu You tell me, what is an SO? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
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@blamethenile I didn't understand the question " How many old timers in the meetings you attend are still with the SO they had when they arrived in AA?" Can you refrase it, please? :)
siausiu 1 month ago
@abrahamsauto AA doesn't give advices, you have to choose the way yourself, that is the beauty! :) If you don't have drinking problems - don't go there ;) Nobody teaches in AA. If you have such an AA I feel sory for you. If you still feel pain for that he left you and imagine that AA told your partner to leave you I feel sorry for you more. Just keep looking at yourself what you did, not what aa or your ex did. Maybe you were worth it..
siausiu 1 month ago
What are the facts as far as how many people AA kills a year? What are the catastrophic effects of do these 12 steps? Where are the facts about AA being a death cult? What religion does AA make some one follow?
brennancrazy 10 months ago
@brennancrazy Where in this video did you find any of the topics you demand answers for? Mike BD
blamethenile 10 months ago
@blamethenile Just the comment thread. very interesting stuff, I'm just confused. I don't know much about AA or any of this stuff.
brennancrazy 10 months ago
The only thing dumber than people arguing about whether or not AA works is me chiming in with my 2 cents about it. Live and let live.
mirandaproject1 1 year ago
@mirandaproject1 Which you seem to be doing in the wee hours. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago 2
Really well done. AA made things worse for me. I quit on my own after i left. My moment of clarity came when i realized that AA is a forum for losers to recruit people to pick on. then they feel better about their miserable selves.
Commonsense11111 1 year ago 2
@Commonsense11111 on the money right there
breda83 1 year ago
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aa wants you to believe in jesus and if you dont they follow you around and beat you up and then when you go to the police they lie about beatin you up and pretend to not believe in jesus when they really do and the police wont believe them anyway and will make aa say sorry and go to jail until they are sorry to everyone
AnviIOfKrom 1 year ago
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videocircus 1 year ago
@videocircus You have me confused here. In your other post, you mentioned having attended 5 meetings, and continuing to drink. Here, you sing the praises of AA as though you are a seasoned AA veteran. Whatever you have going on, good luck with it, and feel free to keep folks posted. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago
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videocircus 1 year ago
@videocircus One needs neither a desire to quit drinking, nor an addiction to anything to be considered a member of AA. As for it being free, you get what you pay for. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago
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videocircus 1 year ago
@videocircus Keep guessing. The idea of AA is to convert indoctrinees to the religion invented by Bill Wilson. Mike
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videocircus 1 year ago
@videocircus All religions are man-made, are they not? This one is steppism, Wilsonism, Buchmanism, whatever you would like to call it, as converted to by the process of the 12 steps: admissions of powerlessness and insanity followed by a surrender to God; a listing of one's sins; confession of those sins; begging for forgiveness; continued listing and confession of sins; a very specific formula of prayer; and the recruitment of others. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago
@blamethenile
OK...yes all religions are man made. This is one of the problems that I now have with AA is that their program requires (but does not enforce) its members to achieve sobriety through a spiritual awakening in GOD. I thought originaly that they were refering to the God of Christianity (which is my God), but now know that they are not, but are actually refering to any God that a member chooses to find. This I can't agree with as through my faith in Christ there is no other God.
videocircus 1 year ago
@videocircus Well, yeah...it's open to members of ALL religions, athiests, agnostics, anyone. If you have Christ in your life then you're ahead of the game because you have faith in a God, your God, The God, whatever.
belowthepovertyline 8 months ago
@belowthepovertyline
Other than AA being a CULT that indoctrinates members into it's ways, the main reason I can't support AA is because it supports the following of other God's as a way for it's members to have a "spiritual awakening" This is unacceptable to God, therefore it is unacceptable to me. Scripture states that their is only ONE GOD and their are no other God's before him. To worship any other God, is to worship Lucifer who is all other God's serving under many different names
videocircus 8 months ago
@videocircus Ooookay then. Good luck to you.
belowthepovertyline 8 months ago
@videocircus So Bill W said our ultimate purpose was to "Serve God"
breda83 1 year ago
@breda83
Bill W said the ultimate purpose was to serve "A GOD" not "GOD".
I have no regrets about leaving AA and can only pray that others who go to the meetings are able to find the strength to question what they are doing in the meetings, and what the meetings are doing to them.
AA despises any form of questioning of it's 12 step program, and if you do choose to question it openly durring a meeting you are instantly shunned and out-cast by the other members. Happened to me.
videocircus 1 year ago 2
@videocircus When a person points out the truth about the Program,Bill W and other members it terrifies most steppers, the looks on their faces is one of shear terror. Like all religions AA/NA doctrine is one big delusion.
breda83 1 year ago
@breda83 Are you speaking from experience?
mirandaproject1 1 year ago
@blamethenile nobody decides who is "considered" to be a member but a person himself. AA doesn't heal anyone. And it cannot help others suffering from other addictions but alcoholism. You have so little understanding and knowledge about AA..
siausiu 1 month ago
@siausiu You confuse disagreement with ignorance. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
Has this person ever seen anyone die of Alcoholism,it's not very nice. I have a friend with the disease very near to death,still cant stop drinking. Thank God AA brainwashed me to stop drinking.
sidecrank 1 year ago
@sidecrank I have seen lots of people die from alcoholism, most of whom I met in AA. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago
@blamethenile Did you not meet any one who recovered in Aa? Stooped drinking?
sidecrank 1 year ago
@sidecrank "Recovered" is a very subjective word when used in the 12-step context. I have met a few people who quit drinking and gave AA the credit. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago
I've heard a lot of stories that keeping alcohol or cigarettes(if that's your vice) near you actually helps people avoid it... something to do with tricking the mind into thinking you are drinking beer when there's only water in the can, or thinking: "I'll have a smoke later" when your never really intent on doing so.
People need to think outside the box and make some goddamn research on human psychology before creating these programs.
DavySigfusson 1 year ago
After 21 years in AA I left!! I did not get drunk....Wow! I did not...kill myself....WOW! And I did not end up in a mental institution.....WOW!!
My life became truely happy OUT of AA.
Taking control over your own life is where the solution really is.
NOW....I'm happy, joyous,and free of AA dogma.
elaineacummins 1 year ago 6
@elaineacummins good for you, those rooms are for losers and people running from Personal Responsibilty.
breda83 1 year ago
I quit the bottle about 5 years ago after my wife said she wanted a divorce. She gave me one more last chance and I haven't touched a drop since. The first few months were tough, then it got easier. Now, I have no desire or temptation to go back. I never went to AA or rehab. I couldn't buy in to the powerless philosophy, and I don't believe in a higher power. I guess if AA keeps you sober, that's great. I disagree that it is the only way to sobriety.
jrewert 1 year ago
@jrewert Thanks for the post, and congrats on your continued success. Most people quit exactly as you did, on their own after prompted by life's situations. If you were to go to a meeting and tell them what you told us, you would be told that you aren't a real alcoholic, are in denial, and are merely a dry drunk, not truly recovered. So it goes. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago
been in for 36 days sober, and going to test my sponsor by saying "no" for once and see where that takes me. i dont like having my life taken away from me and telling me i need to be "married to AA" if i get any of the reactions that i have been hearing about, i'm out
zachjones225 1 year ago
@zachjones225 You seem very perceptive, so I'm betting you will be making light work of the rhetoric and dogma. Keep taking care of youself, and thanks for the posts. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago
@zachjones225 lol please let us know how that works for ya , 1 step you are powerless 2 step hand your live over to god or HP , that was enough for me , i am powerful and can do anything if i try , and i dont like like ideal of handing over my live to god , hp , are anyone else , what a bunch of brain wash wack jobs at AA , i think i big part of me being sober is i hate AA so much i never want to go back to meetings and listen to people bitch and wine , or chant the bs AA cult slogans , clut
rexxed33 1 year ago
@zachjones225 just be yourself and don't let anyone manipulate you.
breda83 1 year ago
There is no honesty in AA at all. 1st, no-one is powerless from the first step on you're RIGOROUSLY LIED TO! If AA worked, you wouldn't be strung out on a 12 step religious cult. AA gives a simplistic excuse & a simplistic dogma to repeat while you tread, endlessly on the ‘dis-ease’ concept , Recovery Rat-wheel.
Yoganao 1 year ago
Keep in mind, after a few years in AA and giving it your all, ( just like when you discovered there is no santa claus ) you find out it's bull, you leave disillusioned but, you take with you the ideas like powerlessness, and once a alky always etc, you bring all the bologna filling your head, then what do you do? Drink? Try AA again? Quit drinking then work on your problems if you wish, even go to church if you think it will help, but 12 steps is a vicious circle of BS.
YankeeTom63 1 year ago
@YankeeTom63 It mind-fucks you into a very narrow mind-set that people think they will die if they stray from it.
breda83 1 year ago
@theral66 That sounds like more 12step cult talk. If you can't stop yourself, who can? Answer is nobody. Alcoholism, as defined by AA does not exist. This is why the Medical profession can not help. AA would be good for support, making non drinking friends etc except the people who need the most incouragement, get told they are helpless, and get made fun of and have real issues laughed at and tossed aside. They get worse, because of AA ' philosophy '. If you want to stop, only you can for U
YankeeTom63 1 year ago
Great Song!!! "prying open MY THIRD EYE!!!!"
tbart318 1 year ago
This video is such a joke and so are the others, They are doing exactly what they claim AA is doing and that is brain washing. They want you to follow them and their anti AA atheist ways and believe AA is a cult but actually they are recruiting and deceiving people. Most likely they failed or know people who couldn't get sober and they are pissed.
I been sober over 17 years and i did it through Alcoholics Anonymous and believe me no person is controlling me, ....your all deception and hate dude
friendzofbill 1 year ago
@friendzofbill Yawn, another spam. Mike
blamethenile 1 year ago
@friendzofbill Here is one thing, they claim one can believe in any HP they wish, but you can't, you'll be led right back to the 12 step god, even if you believe it heretical to believe GOD will help you stop drinking, The Christian religions says drunkeness is a sin, and if drinking it causes you or your brother to sin, don't do it. You are as free as Adam and Eve in the garden to choose. If you do good, you get your reward, choose bad, you get your reward. But not with AA's tin god.
YankeeTom63 1 year ago
I sense a resentment...good luck on your next 4th step....be honest and you can recover. Who gave you the fucking right to post a video that could keep people drunk and use maynards voice in the process. Go do a real house cleaning you fucking retard...
arizonabay07 1 year ago
@arizonabay07 Remember AZby07, live and let live!
and talk to your sponsor about those resentments, if you have a sponsor that is!
YankeeTom63 1 year ago
you will be told to stop all drugs except nicotine! Why is this ? Cigarettes Kill more people in this country then alcohol and all the street drugs combined each and every year!! Including the 20th century recovery gooroo his self!!!
YankeeTom63 1 year ago
I find it ironic that the co-founder of the much ballyhooed treatment program for addiction, died of his active life long addiction to the drug nicotine. Perhaps Bill W was not restored to sanity after all.
For those who say AA is about alcohol not nicotine, go to a AA meeting and say you smoke cannabis, or even take a prescribed pain med and see how you are treated! Yet, what doctor prescribes cigarettes?? No matter how many drugs you take when entering AA you will be told to stop unless it's
YankeeTom63 1 year ago
hahaha this is so outrageous....show me an alternative to AA that works
esskater5589 2 years ago
Case in point. Thanks for the validation. Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago
Rational Recovery, Moderation Management, SOS, SMART Recovery...
Or how about that 5% who successfully stop of their own will and volition, without any help, every year?
And before you say 5% isn't much, I suggest you look into the published AA success rate...
Telepresent 2 years ago
then there's healthy eating, exercise, a hobby, owning up to being a selfish dick and accepting it... that is what worked for me.
MrSpieldose 1 year ago
@esskater5589 Self recovery using will power. Just like quitting cigarettes. Self Quitting is the ONLY way that works.
YankeeTom63 1 year ago
@YankeeTom63 I tried self quitting, the i tried suicide, didn't work for me. There two types of alcholics one types just needs a big enough of an insentive, the other can't quit even dispite the fact there child has died and he couldn't make his funeral. These hopless cases, CAN and DO recouvery.
theral66 1 year ago
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@esskater5589 Self recovery using will power. Just like quitting cigarettes. Self Quitting is the ONLY way that works.
YankeeTom63 1 year ago
The biggest problem is that the court system has set up AA as it default recovery program, offering little sway for those who are skeptical of it's efficacy. Many issues that people who abuse alcohol have could be solved if they would see a psychologist. Since this is not an option for some because of purely fiscal reasons the courts have taken it upon themselves to essential diagnose a disorder, alcoholism, and prescribe treatment, AA. This cannot continue if we are to be an ethical society.
ChaoticHypothesis 2 years ago
@ChaoticHypothesis: I find it horrific that a US court can legally bind someone to so obvious a religious cult, or face jail time. It is, as far as I know (I'm not a US citizen) a complete bastardisation of the Constitution and the rights laid out therein.
Now do something about it :P
Telepresent 2 years ago
As i understand it AA is not required but treatment of some sort is. Most treatments however are very costly and for many citizens not an option, so AA is suggested and used by most. The treatment I attend actually requires AA atendence for completion.
ChaoticHypothesis 2 years ago
In the state I reside in, AA participation is specifically mandated by many courts. Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago
people get frustrated trying to reason with AA members, but there's a paradox in play
"If it really is a cult, then they wont respond to reason, by definition"
hpmc9 2 years ago 3
AA is a program of constant coercion.
lighwave 2 years ago 3
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deepthrottle09 2 years ago
aa/xa is brainwash...
perfect brainwash
artdietrich 2 years ago 4
lol AA talks before they think maybe they need to sit down and ask a few question about AA billions get sober with out AA cult , but its there life if they want to go to meetings for 25 years and never get better up to them but i think thats why there so mad and grumpy we did it with out AA , it would be hard to change your mind after years of being lied to i feel sorry for them AA zombies branwash lies bullying to hind the truth AA dose not work and is for weak minds who like coffee and cake
rexxed33 2 years ago 3
If someone wants to stay in AA, that is their choice. We have religious freedom in this country. People are free to believe whatever they want.
dix345 2 years ago
Seeing that surfman72 is a big fat coward I will quote the comment he pulled
"Are you a sober Alcoholic? If so maybe you could enlighten me with how you do it? If not how could you know what you are talking about?"
Sober? Never "Short of Being Entirely Ready" Alcoholic? That is a stupid term for culties, I am not a cultie. How I do it? Just fucking quit and stop being a sissy.
"Takes one to treat one"? - LOGICAL FALLACY
I guess you take life skill training from losers?
isegoria1 2 years ago
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surfman72 2 years ago
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surfman72 2 years ago
If you can't control alcohol, you shouldn't drink it. AA isn't going to help when it comes to that simple truth.If you can disprove our assertions, do it. Otherwise, you are just spewing dogma. Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago
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surfman72 2 years ago
Dogma, the stuff that AA proponants expound over and over: millions saved, powerless over alcohol, open-mindedness, stuff like that. Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago
So booze bottles attack people? The idea that you no control of what goes in your mouth when it starts in your hand is not only stupid it is preposterous.
Sounds more like someone skipping out on responsibility for the things they do INTENTIONALLY.
Your "millions helped" works out to 5% with and 5% without which mean it is nothing more than placebo. I am sure people are helped by the rubber chicken too.
Closed mind is supporting the cult in spite of the evidence shown. Your account = FAIL
isegoria1 2 years ago 16
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surfman72 2 years ago
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ise, go back to mtgs. you have a messed up angry life. get some humility and return. we all know all you do is talk that RR b.s. and you are a real loser without AA
taylormark19 2 years ago
More AA trolling? You people need those who have found successful alternatives to fail and die so you can be right.
Go back to your death cult.
isegoria1 2 years ago 11
most of you who are still in alcoholics anonymous are pretty fucking stupid.
Staplesz 2 years ago
One who is connected to the energy stream is more powerful than a million who are not.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
I know that I am no longer brainwashed by the program of AA. I am able to walk in reality "free" of any of its dogmatc lies. When AA members cross my path in real life, I do not want whatever it is they think they have. I don't want their incurable disease, their forever cult, or their goofy religion. AA is magical miracle thinking that isn't based on reality. AA has zero reality based solutions to addiction. AA is a sick social cult. I lived it enough to know the truth. I am glad I left AA.
humyepright 2 years ago 3
Hurrah for rebel music! The craic was firce in Cricklewood.
tobytwirrll 2 years ago
godly -- it is immaterial what you find difficult to believe. You have nothing to contribute here. except to prove that you have nothing to contribute.
dix345 2 years ago
I remember going out for coffee with a group after an AA meeting and they were laughing and saying AA is the largest outpatient clinic in the world.They loved being an out patient.I am not a patient and do not choose to associate any longer with such unhealthy people.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
The idea that you are as sick as your secrets is yet another false belief in AA dogma.I know there is no such thing as a confidence kept in AA.The gossip starts the minute the meeting is over,with cell phones it is all over town before you can get home after sharing your secrets in the meeting.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
Another benefit of leaving AA is that you no longer get all of those daily phone calls from the whiners.I found most AA members were looking for someone to plug into.AA meetings are feeding frenzies.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
The whole program of AA is based on a flawed premise.The idea that one is powerless,not to trust your own thinking or inner guidance,need to attend group meetings for life,calling your self an alcoholic after years of sobriety and worst of all allowing some unhealthy sponsor to guide your life choices.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
apostle here again.i see dick head dix is doing all the hiring and firing now.more than likely its the same guy that is nile.or its the other member of their 2 strong gang against the sober world that hide behind the vale of the internet.if it works for others let them be.go hassle the johovas or the harry's.
apostlecreed 2 years ago
you sure told me off, apostle
dix345 2 years ago
Nope, only the list owners, which dix is not one of, do the firing hereabouts. I, otoh, am one of those list owners, and you are fired. Wiedersehn, Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago
They say in AA if you walk the yellow brick road it will lead you to paradise! But they fail to tell you that road dead ends to the sewer full of beer instead of raw sewage. Cults leaders know that in order to keep thier flock underder control . They use fear and intim. as a tool . So did the Roman Empi. And Jim Jones
Richcool79 2 years ago 2
In AA they have your mind brain washed and dry cleaned all in one. 2 FOR THE PRICE OF ONE!! God bless the father monks cult leaders of AA!
Richcool79 2 years ago
You can easily see the type of out of alignment people that attend AA by the comments they make on sites like these.I have never in my life met such dogmatic rigid needy people.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
To all of those who would really like to leave AA but are too afraid I say "take back your power,if you are sober it is because you chose to be sober and you do not owe AA your time and energy for the rest of your life".
sherwoode7 2 years ago
12 step programs attract really unbalanced people.The healthy ones leave.The only relationships you end up with as friends or lovers are really sick.Go else where to meet healthy friends and loved ones.Don't waste your time in 12 step meetings.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
OK Next time Dr sherwoode 7 dont talk for me. I really wish that the anti people would realize that you are mad normally at one or a couple people. Not the program. Don't waste your time leaving messages. By the way your are as sick as your serects. Have you heard that one before?
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
I don't have any secrets making me sick, but the entire AA organization is full of secrets making it a program that promotes a delusional incurable disease to make & keep people sick. Most of us anti-AAs have real reasons to hate the entire AA organization from the fraud founding to its present day cult horrors that exist inside the rooms of AA. I have zero respect for ALL AA members, because AA is a fraud cult of sick people harming others & nothing more.
humyepright 2 years ago 2
Ok so in the real perfect mind of your's you don't have any serects. That is hard for me to believe. And why do you think that 12 step groups are bad. because you don't get it. everyone of the hater calls it a cult. By the way the Gov't keeps tabs on all cults. If NA and AA are cults the Gov't would have time to think about anything else trying to follow us. So keep it up. YOU are making a real difference in the world. Go to a meeting and try to get some help
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
No, I do not have an secrets that is a lie. I did work the entire program throughly so my opinion of AA being a cult is based on my experience with the organization, based on my research & investigation of the claims AA makes. AA harms more people than it helps I witnessed it first hand myself. AA & NA are fraud faith healing cults, & our country is full of cults that the gov does not fully keep tabs on.
humyepright 2 years ago
Hey Man, GGMan is such a fucktard.. I refuse to debate with him anymore.. He has more anger and bullshit than anyone on here yet continually espouses God, Jesus & the 12 steps !!!!!!!!! **YAWN**
zooromeo 2 years ago 4
apostlecreed -- just exactly what business is that of yours? Yur approval is not required. never has been never will be. Your business here is concluded.
dix345 2 years ago
dang DIX he pulled you chair pretty hard.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
You guys running some kind of step-zombie tag team action? Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago
godly -- your approval is not required either. You are not, actually, very smart. This is all a joke and you are the punch line. You dont reALIZE IT.
dix345 2 years ago
What you don't realize is I don't really care what you think. And the joke is you anti-AA people think you are making a difference on YT. Please
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
Then I suggest that you inflict your inattention uopn us. That will really put us in our place tough guy
dix345 2 years ago
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Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
The only thing here is you hearing the truth. Does it hurt?
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
I see you're still full of shit, godly. Couldn't respond on yer happy clappy NA vid, cos the troll blocked me - you numbties seem to dish it out but cant take it!
godlessweasel 2 years ago
here you go again trying to brain wash people yourself.if your so happy to be gone from aa why are you still obsessed on making videos about it.surely you should be just damned with it and leave it all behind you,but you cant can you,it still plays a big part in your life even after you are gone.bye the way there are still millions of happy aa's all over the world and there is still a seat there for you
apostlecreed 2 years ago
Thank you for your opinion. Have a nice day. Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago
brilliant riposte. one attaboy for you
keep it up apostle. you are doing great
dix345 2 years ago
I have said before: It does not matter what aaers think & say & do. Take control of your own thoughts feelings and actions. Just walk on by them and live well
dix345 2 years ago
The more I see of AA the more worried I get!
OneDarkFlame1 2 years ago
Oh Yes,your told over and over that AA is your family.You are encouraged to distance yourself from family and friends.You are told that it is just easier to go with someone in AA.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
I witnessed so many in AA spending most of their time with AA activities rather than taking care of their real responsibilities like a job or their families.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
Yup. Check out the "AA is your family now" vid. Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago
Yep.. Having left 6 years ago, Ive occasionally run into some of my old "friends" who are still in the "program" - they have mostly gotten stranger over time and more and more dogmatic and brainwashed.
I know of a little crew of about 15 people who stay so close there is no room for anyone outside AA and many have got married to each other and had kids...
If it was simply a quit drinking and move on with your life program it would be all fine - but it isn't - people get stuck and never move on
zooromeo 2 years ago 4
dix,I am so glad to see the truth about so many of the AA meetings being brought out into the open.I was in my 20's when I went to AA and I wish I had this information @ the time.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
sherwoode, I understand that. I knew a small number of people who went there for a 'sounding board'. They did not stay long. Too negative and defeatist.
dix345 2 years ago
AA brainwashes you into believing you owe your sobriety to AA,not to trust your inner guidance,not to trust your own thinking and worst of all that if you choose to leave AA you will die drunk or insane.Utter nonsense.
sherwoode7 2 years ago
sherwoode, you are correct.
dix345 2 years ago
I was told many times: that I didn't know what I felt or thought, to go against my gut instincts, to put a sticky note on the bathroom mirror that says, "You are wrong" (great affirmation, not!) & don't leave or you will drink, go insane, & die. Despite this brainwashing my gut instinct finally screamed at me in a mtg to "GET OUT NOW!!" at the time I did not know I was in a cult, but I knew something was very, very wrong ... Orange & Blame saved my life from AA.
humyepright 2 years ago
We appreciate the kudos, but both Orange and us will assure that YOU get all the credit for the healthy choices you have made. We present references, and validation, but ultimately, people make their own choices. We appreciate your ongoing support and contributions to this site. Mike
blamethenile 2 years ago