I think that speech should be "slightly free" if people as a whole could say what they want about what ever they want BUT not be aloud to say hurtful, negative or bad things about other people publicly or to their face (both single and group) then i think it would be good. but because people can say hurtful stuff and be 100% (or about so) free to say what they want their is lots and lots of problems. like racism, sexism, homophobes and even some civil wars (like bashing leaders/gods and so on)
i normally try to be reasonable but those church members just deserve to be shot it is disgusting and i don't care what anyone thinks there has to be a limit
what if I go to a musical, jump on stage, take a mic and say 'The cake is a lie'. Now I would be kicked out wouldn't I, why couldn't the dead soldiers father just "kick" the WBC protesters out?
What about "naughty" cartoons with little kids featured in? In other words, hentai with minors? Should that be protected under free speech? Because right now, the courts are prosecuting people who possess that stuff, at least in physical form.
Public Schools, We have no free speech. None at all. Today I sat through an hour long lecture about how if any student curses on Facebook, With no reference to the school or any faculty at all, Its a few days of suspension. If I were to have a bad day get on my Facebook and say "FML" anyone who sees it, Any creeping parent or girl who dislikes me can report me to the school. No questions asked. Thats just not okay.
Regarding the WBC, I think that there are conflicting rights. There's freedom of speech, and then there's the right for families to bury their dead in peace. Yes, they can say it, but no, they should not be allowed to say it then/there. I support rules that require them to maintain a minimum distance from funerals.
The problem with harassment is that people will see calling someone fat or stupid as harassment then try to sue you for bullying or something. It happens all the time at my school and is a very annoying ordeal.
wait, police are doing that? dont they have drug lords to arrest and murderers to track down? i respect the boys in blue and all, but come on! this is what our tax dollars are paying for?
Flashing headlights is like obstruction of the law. if these people get off each time, no one will change, resulting in a net increase of average speed on the road.
We don't have free speech in sweden, but we try to tell ourselves everyday that we have. We have these stupid laws that (for example) says that you can't deny the holocaust and it's actually illegal to directly offend someone. But our teachers in school tells us evryday that we are so much better than other countries because we are free. We are America 2.0
Thanks Dan! This is actually something I've been talking about in my Government class. I've been really starting to get into your videos and I love them :)
In the uk we have a thing called hate speech, which is illegal. It's when a persons words are deemed to be promoting hatred and violence. I was in favour of this being banned and I think I still am but I saw a pretty impressive case made against banning hatespeech by Christopher Hitchens.
I enlisted in the Army Reserves recently, and I really don't give two shits about what the WBC does to our kind. They're annoying, yes, but if we keep ignoring them they'll stop eventually.
If they were really "Baptists" why are they generalizing/judging? Like seriously! They generalized Americans as "Okay With homosexuality" i'm pretty sure they're Americans too. If they don't like the way America functions, then they should just leave the country and just go to a different country.
If the Westboro Church came ANYWHERE in my city I would kick their ass so hard. You respect the men and women in the military. Hands down, end of story. The Westboro church members should be our soldiers shields.
If the Westboro Baptist church showed up at a funeral for one of my family members, I would probably not be able to control my violence. I agree with this video in theory, but I feel like I wouldn't think the same way in practice just because of my temper.
@pogobat I'm a 17 year old lesbian who came out last year (my junior year), and I have seen documentaries on the Westborough Baptist Church and I think they're horrible. As horrible as I believe them to be, I agree with your statement. Sure, their words hurt and their signs are hanus and unacceptable. But free speech is free speech, and if one is going to infringe on that, where is the line drawn?
As much as I hate cops I am kinda on their side on this one. Seeing as how speeding is against the law, then aiding a lawbreaker escape the law would be obstruction of justice. Sure you can flash your lights if you would like to, which I will still do, but their will be consequences as long as justice is being obstructed.
The other side of this part of free speech where people are allowed to say whatever insane opinion they have is that they are then at the mercy of reaction. You may have freedom of speech, but you need to take responsibility to what you say. You can counter with "I can say what I want freedom of speech", but the person that's talking back has every right to respond in their choosing.
Totally agree with you on this one. Where I'm at, the police have created a special squad to track and bring down "marginal and anarchist" movements and activities... FASCISTS !
If the police don't want people to flash headlights to warn of a speed trap, then they are hypocrites.
Ask the police, "Why do you have speed traps?". They will say "public safety". OK, so when I flash my headlights people will slow down. That contributes to public safety, right?
So the only reason the police don't want people to flash headlights is because they will not be able to extort money from traffic tickets...NOT because they are concerned about public safety.
@MANOFTHESIX There are drivers who would "sverve off the road" if someone briefly flashed their headlights? That's a scary thought. I hope I'm not around them when lights are flashing at a railroad crossing or a construction zone.
@DontGoToCollege Easy there chief.Your spelling takes a nose-dive when you're angry. Ever think that some people have brighter headlights than the dim ones on traffic signs? And yes, I do believe there are drivers on the road that would "sverve" off the road when lights are flashed at them. Especially if it catches them off guard.
@MANOFTHESIX Which word did I misspell captain? Why do you say I'm angry? Yes I do think that headlights are brighter than the ones on traffic signals. They wouldn't be very effective at night otherwise. I still don't see how flashing a headlight for half a second is going to cause another driver to swerve off the road. I've never heard of that happening. I've had cars drive past me with their brights on and I never felt like I would swerve off the road because of it.
@MANOFTHESIX I did take a close look at my words and I honestly could not find a spelling error. Why won't you just tell me my errors? I'm curious. And I'm not angry. Instead of responding to my requests to prove your arguments, you just write about spelling errors and label me as "angry". I don't care what the police say. Their contention is ridiculous and has no proof. Their purpose in banning headlight flashing is not public safety. It's extorting money.
@DontGoToCollege The error was "sverve" (as I pointed out a long time ago), and I gave you an example of how it could cause an accident. Actually listen, and open up your mind to the possibilities instead of holing up in your belief. If they prevent accidents, they are for public safety.
@DontGoToCollege If someone is startled by the light flashing, they can get into an accident. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter how it happens, it just matters that it CAN happen. The possibility is there, therefore it is a good idea to tell people to stop flashing their headlights.
People only flash their headlights to alert other people that there is a speed trap ahead. After they pass, they speed back up. They are not thinking of public safety, police are. It's their job.
@DontGoToCollege But other drivers being alerted to speed traps will only cause them to slow down to get out of a ticket, it will not have the lasting effect of a ticket.
Have you seen anyone ever slow down for a speed trap then stay at that speed?
as far as expceptions go,its a slippery slope,if you make exceptions for kkk and neo nazis then you give way for infringing the free speech of outlandish people,then general protesters,all up until the point where there is no free speech,the kkk and neo nazis,as bad as what they say is,have the right to free speech just as much as us,they can talk all they want and we can,in our speech o appose them,or join them,as we choose,as is our right
In my opinion, the Westboro Church protesting purposely to provoke action against them (if that is what they are doing) IS harassment. On another note, why are they protesting gay marriage at a soldier's funeral? I don't get the connection there.
I appreciate that here in Canada our right to free speech is slightly prohibited, it basically comes down to a limitation in which you cannot promote hate (at least publicly). So no public meetings of the KKK, etc.
As a Christian, I have to say that the WBBC is a disgrace to Christianity and (real) Christians everywhere when they do such ridiculousness. There is no reason to so hatefully protest against people who died for our country.
All i could say is, no personal rights should over-step or go beyond the boundary of it being personal or to a group. The freedom people shout is not Absolute. Although there are things which we condone or make light of, like for example a protest, there are limits to which they could do. Although a public library is public, you have to be respectful to other people. But for the WBBC, i would vote that they assemble on a public toilet.
@pogobat I agree as well Dan the supreme court decision is lawful however it is not the message you should worry about its how you handle it. Call the police, why? because they are tresspassing on upon a private event if you cant get them to leave you get them to back up. They paid for the funeral they paid for the coffin to be put in the ground so therefore that coffin and that space where it is being burried until it is burried is under ownership by the family.
I would say WBBC is disturbing the peace and possibly trespassing. Theey have no right to call themselves a "church" I am a Christian I am seriously offended by WBBC. those soldiers died to protect our coumtry. Shame on them
Being a Marine vet It makes me sick knowing that people protest the death of my brothers and sisters like that HOWEVER that is what we fight for. We cant take the free speech from anyone. I agree with you Dan 100%. Im sure those people will be shocked when they get to the golden gates and see a Marine guarding it.
Here's what I believe about Westboro baptist church. I believe that they were exercising their right to free speech. However, nobody should ever disrupt a funeral to protest anything. The fact of the matter is that a family lost a loved one and a funeral is their time to mourn. If you're going to protest the American acceptance of gay culture, do it somewhere else, you have no place at the funeral of someone who probably didn't have anything to do with America's accepting of gay culture.
Just because you don't want to be persuaded into a belief, or have religions shoved down your throat, doesn't mean that freedom of speech should be any-less lenient.
Any American has the right to free speech, whether it be a neo-nazi, a Klan member, an extremist, ect.
The Westboro Baptist Church protested at my high school last year (we have a gay-straight alliance, and an extremely liberal student body). It was hilarious. There were like, three or four protesters, and a couple hundred counter protesters.
As long as theres uneducated people out in the world, and as long as paradox argumenting exists, there is such a thing as too much free speech. Any small group of people can start a huge propaganda if they are good public speakers. Not all people are geneticly designed to be leaders or to think for themselfs. I belive in censoreship, I don't want TV Shows in the future were people try and convice me there is a god, that theres aliens watching me and the moon is made of cheese.
@Randja066 The thing is, if they remove the free speech from the Westboro baptist church, the supreme court says (and the law IS written this way) "It is okay to infringe on their rights if you do not agree". And that would cripple, say, a pro-gay protest in the south. It's HORRIBLE what they do... but justice is blind for a reason.
Its never okay to take away anyones right to speak freely. If we, as the American government start deciding that because we dont like what certain groups of people are saying we're going to take away their right to verbalize their thoughts then we are no longer a democratice society. We are no longer the land of the free.
W.B. Cult wants to burn gay people in hell, and bash soldiers and use words as weapons, you don't feel threatened by them ? Maybe you aren't gay, I am not either, but I feel threatened by them. If they showed up at a Presidents Funeral and did that, I promise you, they would make a federal case out of it, and would be arrested.
The W.B. Cult is using their words to harass people, and to intimidate them. Showing up at a soldiers funeral and basing the gay people... What does one have to do with the other & why would they ? To desecrate the flag is considered a crime, so to make hateful comments and hate America, makes it a hate crime.
...place. People have the right to not be the target of people committing a hate crime, which that is, and therefore, no right to freedom of speech, either.
Actually, no, we don't have "Free" speech" If you think we do, I feel sorry for you. I was with you on W.B. Cult, up until you said that you agree with the S.C. The same court, that took away our freedom in 2000 & 2004 elections, and undermined voters by installing a Nazi and a shrub into the White House... Just because someone thinks they have the right to say something (SS), doesn't mean it is the right thing to say. Also, there is a time & place for everything. A funeral is not the time or...
We have freedom of speech. Though of course 90% of the time, 90+% of the people won't listen to a thing you're saying. BUT YOU CAN STILL SAY IT. Most of the time.
every action you take has a consequence - your method is what promotes a bad or good response/consequence.
if u dislike Dan for example (not saying u do), some will agree and some will disagree. But if u flame him, ull be flamed (punished) in return. if u provide arguments why, u voice ur opinion (right to freedom of speech) and ppl wont flame u cuz of the nature of the mssg.
One thing. PUBLIC. A funeral is not public. Its a private solemn thing. That is why its not ok. They can be outside doing whatever the hell they want. But not inside with the funeral.
I didn't like you saying WBC is "mentally handicapped". There isn't anything mentally causing them to do this. They know what they are doing and do it anyway. I know you didn't mean it, but it sounded like you meant its because theyre mentally handicapped, not because theyre insane.
No. We can't take away anyone's free speech. The KKK and Neo-Nazis and other groups are oppressive. But we can't be oppressive back. That just makes us the bad guys. Everyone has the right to their opinions, thought, and speech. I think oppressive horrible groups form out of people being insecure. We need to give people the tools to get their voice out there, not have the tools to take it away. That saying, people shouldn't harsh on other people. That's just crap.
Wow, Dan. I find it amazing how you can keep a cool and calculating head when asked an emotionally charged topic. Your rational explanation and defense of your point is a good thing to hear when the internet is so full of those who would rather milk the emotion for quick and cheap popularity.
There should be a law to state that people are not aloud to interupt a funeral. I think it is an absaloute disgrace that anyone would interupt such a sad and distressing event, which will also be the last time that family and friends will get to "be with" the deceased. I would have thought is was common sense, and common decency, to show a little respect to those who have died, and especially at funerals when there are distrought family members. Theres a time and place, a funeral isn't one.
Quick translation for you all: "...severely mentally handicapped individuals..." means "dumb fucks" irl speak.
I'm all for voicing opinions, but when people are picketing private funerals, or are using a constitutional right to air their views in order to incite racist behaviour (yes, you, Klu Klux Klan), then I personally think that those people should be shot straight into space. They can protest all they like out there; no-one will hear them. It's 2011, not 1911, get with the times people!
I'll have to disagree with you about the Westboro Baptist Church. I would certainly consider some of their actions harassment. They may not threaten any physical harm, but they do deliberately attack people psychologically. I will say though, in cases where they merely assemble in the streets to protest, that is fairly utilizing their freedom of speech, whether I agree with them or not. When protesting at a funeral, however, that is not only unlawfully offensive but also disturbing the peace.
I'll have to disagree with you about the Westboro Baptist Church. I would certainly consider some of their actions harassment. They may not threaten any physical harm, but they do deliberately attack people psychologically. I will say though, in cases where they merely assemble in the streets to protest, that is fairly utilizing their freedom of speech, whether I agree with them or not. When protesting at a funeral, however, that is not only unlawfully offensive but also disturbing the peace.
Funerals are private and should remain that way no matter if you feel like you have the right to show up to a funeral for protesting purposes. The army has the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, which the Westboro people should realize is not accepting of gays. Every soldier is not gay, so in this case I believe they had no right to protest and the father had every right to sue and should have won.
I just dont understand why they have to protest at a soldiers funeral. Those men chose to go to war zones with the possibility to die. They aren't being punished.
And they are hurting people (their feelings) with their acts and speeches.
Freedom of speech is a good thing. But it doesn't mix well with retardation.
On a related note, I was at school today. We had an assembly, and I said to my friend that I was bored of having the same assmebly every week. I was taken away, and told I was embaressing the school (there was a guest speaker), and disruptive. I said it was my opinion, and I have every right to voice it, but I was sent to senior staff, and to be quite frank, given a bollocking. Yeah. Fun.
I do get your point about the supreme court ruling 8:1 in favor of the WBChurch, but at a funeral? Can we call a funeral public and isn't it defiling the soldiers death?
@Cotc09 Agreed. WB Church may have the right to free speech, but they also have the responsibility to keep the peace. Clearly, they past that line a long time ago. So Dan, if you agree about them having the right to free speech as they are, could you explain in more detail your view on disturbing the peace and other civil responsibilities?
I like your view on this, Dan. It's easy to argue for Freedom of Speech using an example you agree with; it's not so easy to argue for it using an example you are offended by. You do this very eloquently.
@fuffluns lol sorry.... but its weird cause my history teacher looks like him (a little older) and he was talking about America falling the same day he released that video
An exception to the 1st amendment is if your expression can cause someone harm. For example, yelling "Fire! everybody run!" in a crowded building, trying to hire a hitman/assassin, and (quite likely) flashing your headlights at night. It would depend on the way they did it, but they would need supporting evidence.
Also, the thing about "free speech" under the first amendment is it's only free from government control. If you go into a store, they can deny you service for saying "God hates fags."
At the risk of being attacked, I want to mention one thing in regards to what you said about Westboro. You said they were a cult and that they were mentally handicapped. I agree that their opinions are unorthodox and, in some cases, just plain mean... in our opinions. However, this video is about free speech. They have it. I don't think it's fair to call them mentally handicapped. And by your logic, any group of people who have the same beliefs are a cult. I think you're wonderful. Thanks. :)
I agree totally with everything here, censoring anyone, even if they are offensive and ignorant is completely unacceptable and is the first step on an awful road.
@MarkusPedersen well this is nothing agains you i agree with you theres just one thing. vær varsom-plakaten, is danish speaking, i neversen it before ( i live in denmark) but its not norwegian speach.
Freedom of speech is good and all, but how do we know it will no evolve from verbally harassing people and disrespecting the dead to physically harassing people and killing? These people show no sign of tolerance with others so why must they remain in our society where our biggest aim would be to achieve tolerance and understanding of one another and live in peace. These people only spread hate and for as long as I live, I will use my own rights of freedom of speech to counter theirs.
Everyone should have freedom of speech, but we should all think about what we say. Norwegian press has something beautiful going on, Vær Varsom-plakaten (the Be Considerate poster). It lists all the thing one should be considerate and careful when discussing. It basically says: "Hey there, before you say this, think about it a few times. Are you sure you should say this? Are you sure you need to?"
@MarkusPedersen well this is nothing agains you i agree with you theres just one thing. vær varsom-plakaten, is danish speaking, i neversen it before ( i live in denmark) but its not norwegian speach.
@markisonlin3 - Your statement "Freedom of Speech in the USA needs a limit. Westrbro is proof of this." is hateful of people who hold homophobic views, as such it is hate speech and should result in fine or imprisonment. See how fast that slop begins to slip?
I don't like what Westboro has to say, in the least, but I will defend to the death their right to say it. (paraphrasing Voltaire makes it no less true)
The thing with our country is that people think that just because they have the right to do something, that means they should. People abuse their freedom of speech and those people deserve to have it taken away, it isn't setting nearly as dangerous a precedent if we say "they abused their privileges, so they lost them."
With a driver's license, you have the right to drive a car; but, if you decide to start transporting drugs in that car, you lose your right to drive a car. Same basic principle.
@brettisnotfunny it should be removal of the drivers license. u are free to retake a drivers exam.
in the same way, justice will fine u or lock u up if u misuse the freedom of speech. But, if u are allowed to voice ur opinion later again, if u do not offend ppl.
freedom of speech was born from oppression. dictators would shut ppl up if they had different ideas. now u are allowed to voice ur opinions, if u do not harass and discriminate ppl.
@HexerPsy You're allowed to voice your opinions no matter what. What do you call the term "God hates fags"? Because I call that discrimination. The United States has two extremes, either we don't do anything to stop it, or we crack down. Like it or not, we a re a country of radicals, and it's stupid. :/
@HexerPsy Yeah, but it's misinformation from a source with no definitive argument. The excuse "it's in the bible" only goes so far when an equal number of people in the world don't follow the bible.
And I see absolutely nothing wrong with letting gay people into the church, I know plenty of gay men that go to my church and nobody treats them any differently, we're all family. It's just radicals like the WBBC that seem to take the bible far too literally. It's a symbol, not an encyclopedia.
@brettisnotfunny research has shown that gay ppl have a dfferent size of hypothalamus, which regulates hormons. among that is the sexual orientation.
admitted its only part of the 3 causes, but some ppl r just born gay, and that is something we should accept.
Christianity also speaks of a rebirth in heaven, where u receive a different body. so im my opinion, whats wrong with welcoming gay ppl in the church? tinyurl com/ktsmc
@wolvesayke - Egypt was an example of "when governments become destructive to these [rights] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and establish new government." The problem is the new government is now also going crazy with censorship in Egypt.
Private school works the same way as employment (in my last post). Public school being government run and compulsory is an interesting case. One that is still actively being fought in the courts (see "Bong Hits 4 Jesus").
@Wolvesayke - Rights are intrinsic to man, being "from their creator". Some governments might infringe those rights, but the rights themselves are unalienable. Other times, people may chose to give up their rights for reasons of socital good, fear of the consequences, etc. Being fired from a job because you complain about your boss isn't an infringement on the freedom of speech. It is the exercise of the company's right to chose who works for them.
No one has real free speech. If someone is to have free speech they need to be able to voice their opinions without punishment. I'm 15 and if I speak back to a teacher or say I think they're wrong, or voice any opinion that contradicts what the school says I get punished for it. The same goes for anyone with a job against their boss or a person against their government (Egypt anyone?). True free speech never has, and never will exist because authority figures always restrain alternate opinions.
@Wolvesayke to be fair, being a 15 year old and possibly holding back the education and future of 29 other people is a really bad way to use your freedom to speech. im 16, and i almost failed my GCSE's cos of people who thought their right to speech took precedence over 29 other peoples right to an education.
voicing an opinion with a boss will never get you fired, because you would be able to sue them for disregarding your freedom to speech. and the egyptian government was more than just
@Wolvesayke to be fair, being a 15 year old and possibly holding back the education and future of 29 other people is a really bad way to use your freedom to speech. im 16, and i almost failed my GCSE's cos of people who thought their right to speech took precedence over 29 other peoples right to an education.
voicing an opinion with a boss will never get you fired, because you would be able to sue them for disregarding your freedom to speech. and the egyptian governmen
@Wolvesayke freedom of speech is born from oppression. ppl would be locked up, fined or killed when voicing their opinions. or groups would be excluded from the ability to voice their opinions.
it means u can disagree with the political party, make ur own, etc etc
ur boss just has the right to choose who works for him. u may disagree at ur own risk.
@Wolvesayke Free speech does not mean speech without consequence. Free speach - the freedom to speak your mind - exists. You're not a fucking puppet. It's the greatest virtue of society, the ability to say whatever and the capacity and responsability of having to hear whatever.
@Wolvesayke Free speech does not mean speech without consequence. Free speach - the freedom to speak your mind - exists. You're not a fucking puppet. It's the greatest virtue of society, the ability to say whatever and the capacity and responsability of having to hear whatever.
@Wolvesayke Talking back to your teacher is not freedom of speech. That is a narrow view of the freedom that our country is built on. We can speak against our government without legal action, which is the definition of free speech. It was not meant for daily use. Our Constitution was written by men who were killed simply for speaking ill of the king. Also, Egypt is not America, so I don't understand why you alluded to them. If this were the case, then Conan O'Brien would be in jail or dead.
@Wolvesayke Talking back to your teacher is not freedom of speech. That is a narrow view of the freedom that our country is built on. We can speak against our government without legal action, which is the definition of free speech. It was not meant for daily use. Our Constitution was written by men who were killed simply for speaking ill of the king. Also, Egypt is not America, so I don't understand why you alluded to them. If this were the case, then Conan O'Brien would be in jail or dead.
@robinjoanna I've got to say I disagree with you both. Talking back to your teacher IS use of free speach. However, if one goes on about ones backtalking in a respectfull manner, there should be no reason for the teacher to react; HOWEVER! what the teacher might (and probably should) react upon is the fact that you most likely are disrupting his class. This is obv. just an example.
You can't say what you want to anyone you want without consequenses. But is this actually a bad thing?
@robinjoanna1. Talking back to your teacher is absolutely a form of free speech. If a teacher is wrong, or they say something you disagree with, its is your duty as a youth in the American education system to point it out and use your voice. Kids being sil
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Thecawesomeone 1 month ago
I think that speech should be "slightly free" if people as a whole could say what they want about what ever they want BUT not be aloud to say hurtful, negative or bad things about other people publicly or to their face (both single and group) then i think it would be good. but because people can say hurtful stuff and be 100% (or about so) free to say what they want their is lots and lots of problems. like racism, sexism, homophobes and even some civil wars (like bashing leaders/gods and so on)
marioblan 2 months ago
@marioblan that'show it is in Canada
TheChineeseChanel 1 month ago
i normally try to be reasonable but those church members just deserve to be shot it is disgusting and i don't care what anyone thinks there has to be a limit
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what if I go to a musical, jump on stage, take a mic and say 'The cake is a lie'. Now I would be kicked out wouldn't I, why couldn't the dead soldiers father just "kick" the WBC protesters out?
insertnamehere001 4 months ago 3
I hate my life. Free speech.
skewb40 4 months ago
What about "naughty" cartoons with little kids featured in? In other words, hentai with minors? Should that be protected under free speech? Because right now, the courts are prosecuting people who possess that stuff, at least in physical form.
chobitsnegimanaruto 4 months ago
Gotta say, I'm not feeling the outro. I enjoyed the discussion though =D
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You have a great outlook on these sorts of things (in my opinion), Thank you
G4m3rB0y114 4 months ago 2
Public Schools, We have no free speech. None at all. Today I sat through an hour long lecture about how if any student curses on Facebook, With no reference to the school or any faculty at all, Its a few days of suspension. If I were to have a bad day get on my Facebook and say "FML" anyone who sees it, Any creeping parent or girl who dislikes me can report me to the school. No questions asked. Thats just not okay.
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Regarding the WBC, I think that there are conflicting rights. There's freedom of speech, and then there's the right for families to bury their dead in peace. Yes, they can say it, but no, they should not be allowed to say it then/there. I support rules that require them to maintain a minimum distance from funerals.
MrPopularSentiment 4 months ago
The problem with harassment is that people will see calling someone fat or stupid as harassment then try to sue you for bullying or something. It happens all the time at my school and is a very annoying ordeal.
deadbob12344 4 months ago
wait, police are doing that? dont they have drug lords to arrest and murderers to track down? i respect the boys in blue and all, but come on! this is what our tax dollars are paying for?
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Flashing headlights is like obstruction of the law. if these people get off each time, no one will change, resulting in a net increase of average speed on the road.
B10ckH34d512 5 months ago
We don't have free speech in sweden, but we try to tell ourselves everyday that we have. We have these stupid laws that (for example) says that you can't deny the holocaust and it's actually illegal to directly offend someone. But our teachers in school tells us evryday that we are so much better than other countries because we are free. We are America 2.0
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Politically correctness... Complete fairness... How is this possible for everyone with 6 Billion people on the planet?
jigglypuff1337 5 months ago
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Voltaire
justsomegermandude 5 months ago
why are none of these appearing in my sub box?
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Thanks Dan! This is actually something I've been talking about in my Government class. I've been really starting to get into your videos and I love them :)
Naruto0519 5 months ago
So I have an excuse to call all my teachers *********
ddr122 5 months ago
In the uk we have a thing called hate speech, which is illegal. It's when a persons words are deemed to be promoting hatred and violence. I was in favour of this being banned and I think I still am but I saw a pretty impressive case made against banning hatespeech by Christopher Hitchens.
mooxim 5 months ago
I enlisted in the Army Reserves recently, and I really don't give two shits about what the WBC does to our kind. They're annoying, yes, but if we keep ignoring them they'll stop eventually.
0nlyhalfevil333 5 months ago
If they were really "Baptists" why are they generalizing/judging? Like seriously! They generalized Americans as "Okay With homosexuality" i'm pretty sure they're Americans too. If they don't like the way America functions, then they should just leave the country and just go to a different country.
P.S. this is coming from a Canadian. eh....
adadaryll123 5 months ago
11 people go to west burrow baptist church...
TyroJuggernaut 5 months ago
dont insult the mentally handicapped
DBZnerd1 5 months ago
Haah I love that Anonymous blew the Westboro Baptist Church off when they tried to start a 'war' 8D
We don't have to be violent to Westboro Baptist Church -- they're like trolls.
Don't feed them, guys.
AngelxSonic 5 months ago
If the Westboro Church came ANYWHERE in my city I would kick their ass so hard. You respect the men and women in the military. Hands down, end of story. The Westboro church members should be our soldiers shields.
rbolton2010 5 months ago
i unsubscribed 3 times so i can subscribe to you 4 times :3
MrMoviemaker115 5 months ago
If the Westboro Baptist church showed up at a funeral for one of my family members, I would probably not be able to control my violence. I agree with this video in theory, but I feel like I wouldn't think the same way in practice just because of my temper.
StandAlone3 5 months ago
@pogobat I'm a 17 year old lesbian who came out last year (my junior year), and I have seen documentaries on the Westborough Baptist Church and I think they're horrible. As horrible as I believe them to be, I agree with your statement. Sure, their words hurt and their signs are hanus and unacceptable. But free speech is free speech, and if one is going to infringe on that, where is the line drawn?
donkeykong127 5 months ago
In Austria there is a law specifically aimed at restricting neonazis from sharing their facist ideas and I think thats a good thing.
I see that this raises the question of where to draw the line, but as long as its not used to repress minorities it works.
HepheistoBD 5 months ago
As much as I hate cops I am kinda on their side on this one. Seeing as how speeding is against the law, then aiding a lawbreaker escape the law would be obstruction of justice. Sure you can flash your lights if you would like to, which I will still do, but their will be consequences as long as justice is being obstructed.
floore2 5 months ago
The other side of this part of free speech where people are allowed to say whatever insane opinion they have is that they are then at the mercy of reaction. You may have freedom of speech, but you need to take responsibility to what you say. You can counter with "I can say what I want freedom of speech", but the person that's talking back has every right to respond in their choosing.
MaakuSame 5 months ago
Totally agree with you on this one. Where I'm at, the police have created a special squad to track and bring down "marginal and anarchist" movements and activities... FASCISTS !
Jellyhag02 5 months ago
I'm not gonna lie, I missed your PDBAZ, Dan. :D I litterally cheered aloud when you said it!
0Rosina0 5 months ago
Westboro Baptist Church is coming to my town tomorrow... :(
aSongScout 5 months ago
"Fuck."
"Hey, don't say that word."
"Why not?"
"It offends people."
"Nobody here is offended."
". . .Well I'm bigger than you."
zayn7 5 months ago in playlist More videos from pogobat
America doesn't have free speech, it has Tipper Gore
Asperomo 5 months ago
If the police don't want people to flash headlights to warn of a speed trap, then they are hypocrites.
Ask the police, "Why do you have speed traps?". They will say "public safety". OK, so when I flash my headlights people will slow down. That contributes to public safety, right?
So the only reason the police don't want people to flash headlights is because they will not be able to extort money from traffic tickets...NOT because they are concerned about public safety.
DontGoToCollege 5 months ago 63
@DontGoToCollege Or when you flash your lights at someone they can get distracted and swerve off the road.
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@MANOFTHESIX There are drivers who would "sverve off the road" if someone briefly flashed their headlights? That's a scary thought. I hope I'm not around them when lights are flashing at a railroad crossing or a construction zone.
DontGoToCollege 5 months ago
@DontGoToCollege Easy there chief.Your spelling takes a nose-dive when you're angry. Ever think that some people have brighter headlights than the dim ones on traffic signs? And yes, I do believe there are drivers on the road that would "sverve" off the road when lights are flashed at them. Especially if it catches them off guard.
MANOFTHESIX 5 months ago
@MANOFTHESIX Which word did I misspell captain? Why do you say I'm angry? Yes I do think that headlights are brighter than the ones on traffic signals. They wouldn't be very effective at night otherwise. I still don't see how flashing a headlight for half a second is going to cause another driver to swerve off the road. I've never heard of that happening. I've had cars drive past me with their brights on and I never felt like I would swerve off the road because of it.
DontGoToCollege 5 months ago
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MANOFTHESIX 5 months ago
@MANOFTHESIX I did take a close look at my words and I honestly could not find a spelling error. Why won't you just tell me my errors? I'm curious. And I'm not angry. Instead of responding to my requests to prove your arguments, you just write about spelling errors and label me as "angry". I don't care what the police say. Their contention is ridiculous and has no proof. Their purpose in banning headlight flashing is not public safety. It's extorting money.
DontGoToCollege 5 months ago
@DontGoToCollege The error was "sverve" (as I pointed out a long time ago), and I gave you an example of how it could cause an accident. Actually listen, and open up your mind to the possibilities instead of holing up in your belief. If they prevent accidents, they are for public safety.
MANOFTHESIX 5 months ago
@MANOFTHESIX Thank you. I am listening. My mind is open. That's why I asked for some more information. But I'm not hearing anything.
DontGoToCollege 5 months ago
@DontGoToCollege If someone is startled by the light flashing, they can get into an accident. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter how it happens, it just matters that it CAN happen. The possibility is there, therefore it is a good idea to tell people to stop flashing their headlights.
People only flash their headlights to alert other people that there is a speed trap ahead. After they pass, they speed back up. They are not thinking of public safety, police are. It's their job.
MANOFTHESIX 5 months ago
@DontGoToCollege But other drivers being alerted to speed traps will only cause them to slow down to get out of a ticket, it will not have the lasting effect of a ticket.
Have you seen anyone ever slow down for a speed trap then stay at that speed?
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hemp987 5 months ago
#PDBAZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sigiii66 5 months ago 12
#PDBAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sigiii66 5 months ago
i dont think them being. helps anyone
Witzas 5 months ago
as far as expceptions go,its a slippery slope,if you make exceptions for kkk and neo nazis then you give way for infringing the free speech of outlandish people,then general protesters,all up until the point where there is no free speech,the kkk and neo nazis,as bad as what they say is,have the right to free speech just as much as us,they can talk all they want and we can,in our speech o appose them,or join them,as we choose,as is our right
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I'd say that one thing that has been neglected in this video, is free speech and minors.
bassmanco 5 months ago
@bassmanco I agree with that as well,I had so many problems as a kid for non-physical stuff that I did,well said in this case.
magicoA 5 months ago in playlist Queue-list
These last 4 videos never came in my sub box.
TheHawkMirage 5 months ago in playlist Videos from pogobat
I started subscribing to you, and this is my first video from you.
You're awesome.
Oddishii 5 months ago
9 people are from Westborough Baptist Church...
zorb350 5 months ago
In my opinion, the Westboro Church protesting purposely to provoke action against them (if that is what they are doing) IS harassment. On another note, why are they protesting gay marriage at a soldier's funeral? I don't get the connection there.
mjswdr 5 months ago
@mjswdr according to them, our soldiers' deaths are punishment for allowing such "terrible" things.
Everchanging91 5 months ago
I appreciate that here in Canada our right to free speech is slightly prohibited, it basically comes down to a limitation in which you cannot promote hate (at least publicly). So no public meetings of the KKK, etc.
ellievlogs 5 months ago
As a Christian, I have to say that the WBBC is a disgrace to Christianity and (real) Christians everywhere when they do such ridiculousness. There is no reason to so hatefully protest against people who died for our country.
MetalShado 5 months ago
All i could say is, no personal rights should over-step or go beyond the boundary of it being personal or to a group. The freedom people shout is not Absolute. Although there are things which we condone or make light of, like for example a protest, there are limits to which they could do. Although a public library is public, you have to be respectful to other people. But for the WBBC, i would vote that they assemble on a public toilet.
Emarquez1896 5 months ago
@pogobat I agree as well Dan the supreme court decision is lawful however it is not the message you should worry about its how you handle it. Call the police, why? because they are tresspassing on upon a private event if you cant get them to leave you get them to back up. They paid for the funeral they paid for the coffin to be put in the ground so therefore that coffin and that space where it is being burried until it is burried is under ownership by the family.
MCBSMITH89 5 months ago
By shame on them i mean WBBC
america123jeff 5 months ago
I would say WBBC is disturbing the peace and possibly trespassing. Theey have no right to call themselves a "church" I am a Christian I am seriously offended by WBBC. those soldiers died to protect our coumtry. Shame on them
america123jeff 5 months ago
WBC also "protests" at the funerals of children who have died in car accidents.
andrewcp 5 months ago
Being a Marine vet It makes me sick knowing that people protest the death of my brothers and sisters like that HOWEVER that is what we fight for. We cant take the free speech from anyone. I agree with you Dan 100%. Im sure those people will be shocked when they get to the golden gates and see a Marine guarding it.
MrSilenttrigger 5 months ago
Here's what I believe about Westboro baptist church. I believe that they were exercising their right to free speech. However, nobody should ever disrupt a funeral to protest anything. The fact of the matter is that a family lost a loved one and a funeral is their time to mourn. If you're going to protest the American acceptance of gay culture, do it somewhere else, you have no place at the funeral of someone who probably didn't have anything to do with America's accepting of gay culture.
Drumwannabe17 5 months ago
To all the ignorant people out there, let me say this:
Free speech belongs to every American, whether or not you like what they're speaking or preaching, is beyound the point.
I'm directing this towards you, @ravenhousegaming
Just because you don't want to be persuaded into a belief, or have religions shoved down your throat, doesn't mean that freedom of speech should be any-less lenient.
Any American has the right to free speech, whether it be a neo-nazi, a Klan member, an extremist, ect.
REFL0X 5 months ago
I'm glad you agreed with the supreme court. I hate to say it to, but I agree with that.
black9897 5 months ago
Yeah, pulling people over for doing that is beyond stupid. those cops just want ur money. morons
black9897 5 months ago
They didnt' mention the black panther party or the New black panther party.
black9897 5 months ago
west burrow says everyone in oklahoma is going to hell....... they can SUCK MY GERMAN DICK! TWO TIMES!!!!!!
jakel287 5 months ago
The Westboro Baptist Church protested at my high school last year (we have a gay-straight alliance, and an extremely liberal student body). It was hilarious. There were like, three or four protesters, and a couple hundred counter protesters.
PossumCuber 5 months ago
As long as theres uneducated people out in the world, and as long as paradox argumenting exists, there is such a thing as too much free speech. Any small group of people can start a huge propaganda if they are good public speakers. Not all people are geneticly designed to be leaders or to think for themselfs. I belive in censoreship, I don't want TV Shows in the future were people try and convice me there is a god, that theres aliens watching me and the moon is made of cheese.
ravenhousegaming 5 months ago
Adolf Hitler+free speech=good?
Randja066 5 months ago
@Randja066 The thing is, if they remove the free speech from the Westboro baptist church, the supreme court says (and the law IS written this way) "It is okay to infringe on their rights if you do not agree". And that would cripple, say, a pro-gay protest in the south. It's HORRIBLE what they do... but justice is blind for a reason.
NOVAtheRetard 5 months ago
Its never okay to take away anyones right to speak freely. If we, as the American government start deciding that because we dont like what certain groups of people are saying we're going to take away their right to verbalize their thoughts then we are no longer a democratice society. We are no longer the land of the free.
XxBloodyblackcatxX 5 months ago
Morality>Freedom of Speech
TheLazyAngel89 5 months ago
a good point sir.
SocialCantaloupe 5 months ago
I love his "Don't be a Zombie" sign off :)
TheLeeMD 5 months ago
W.B. Cult wants to burn gay people in hell, and bash soldiers and use words as weapons, you don't feel threatened by them ? Maybe you aren't gay, I am not either, but I feel threatened by them. If they showed up at a Presidents Funeral and did that, I promise you, they would make a federal case out of it, and would be arrested.
MJavert13 5 months ago
The W.B. Cult is using their words to harass people, and to intimidate them. Showing up at a soldiers funeral and basing the gay people... What does one have to do with the other & why would they ? To desecrate the flag is considered a crime, so to make hateful comments and hate America, makes it a hate crime.
MJavert13 5 months ago
...place. People have the right to not be the target of people committing a hate crime, which that is, and therefore, no right to freedom of speech, either.
MJavert13 5 months ago
Actually, no, we don't have "Free" speech" If you think we do, I feel sorry for you. I was with you on W.B. Cult, up until you said that you agree with the S.C. The same court, that took away our freedom in 2000 & 2004 elections, and undermined voters by installing a Nazi and a shrub into the White House... Just because someone thinks they have the right to say something (SS), doesn't mean it is the right thing to say. Also, there is a time & place for everything. A funeral is not the time or...
MJavert13 5 months ago
KKK and neo nazis?
Why not the black supremacists we have as well?
Chekkobluteam 5 months ago
@Chekkobluteam The Panthers are some scary Mutha-fuckas. *nod*
Rasil0n 5 months ago
We have freedom of speech. Though of course 90% of the time, 90+% of the people won't listen to a thing you're saying. BUT YOU CAN STILL SAY IT. Most of the time.
shadows124 5 months ago
I completely agree.
TheOneAlectrona 5 months ago
freedom of speech, I has it
cconroy11 5 months ago
"severely mentally handicapped individuals..."
That's too moderate!
llwk62 5 months ago
@robinjoanna and still, nobody has the freedom to say whatever they want to whomever they want without punishment
lolitsdamian 5 months ago
@lolitsdamian nononono, wrong!
every action you take has a consequence - your method is what promotes a bad or good response/consequence.
if u dislike Dan for example (not saying u do), some will agree and some will disagree. But if u flame him, ull be flamed (punished) in return. if u provide arguments why, u voice ur opinion (right to freedom of speech) and ppl wont flame u cuz of the nature of the mssg.
HexerPsy 5 months ago
This just brings up another question. Where do you set the line between opinion and harassment ?
cperalta92 5 months ago
One thing. PUBLIC. A funeral is not public. Its a private solemn thing. That is why its not ok. They can be outside doing whatever the hell they want. But not inside with the funeral.
gixxygamma 5 months ago
The cure for bad speech is more speech.
erikandfox 5 months ago
i did not know that WBC won that case. i feel like they shoud have lost because 1. they need a permit to protest. 2. trespassing an private event.
kcin1004 5 months ago
I didn't like you saying WBC is "mentally handicapped". There isn't anything mentally causing them to do this. They know what they are doing and do it anyway. I know you didn't mean it, but it sounded like you meant its because theyre mentally handicapped, not because theyre insane.
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I thought it really was illegal to flash the lights because I was in Florida for the past 3 yrs haha i'm glad i know now it's not illegal
Saluff 5 months ago
No. We can't take away anyone's free speech. The KKK and Neo-Nazis and other groups are oppressive. But we can't be oppressive back. That just makes us the bad guys. Everyone has the right to their opinions, thought, and speech. I think oppressive horrible groups form out of people being insecure. We need to give people the tools to get their voice out there, not have the tools to take it away. That saying, people shouldn't harsh on other people. That's just crap.
CrayonInMyMouth 5 months ago
BUT!
artxenocYT 5 months ago
Wow, Dan. I find it amazing how you can keep a cool and calculating head when asked an emotionally charged topic. Your rational explanation and defense of your point is a good thing to hear when the internet is so full of those who would rather milk the emotion for quick and cheap popularity.
russellchamp 5 months ago
Im all 4 speaking ur mind and freedom of speach but interpting a funeral is disrespectfull and shouldnt b done
3ddANDthFOREVER0014 5 months ago
There should be a law to state that people are not aloud to interupt a funeral. I think it is an absaloute disgrace that anyone would interupt such a sad and distressing event, which will also be the last time that family and friends will get to "be with" the deceased. I would have thought is was common sense, and common decency, to show a little respect to those who have died, and especially at funerals when there are distrought family members. Theres a time and place, a funeral isn't one.
BailsFailsMore 5 months ago
Quick translation for you all: "...severely mentally handicapped individuals..." means "dumb fucks" irl speak.
I'm all for voicing opinions, but when people are picketing private funerals, or are using a constitutional right to air their views in order to incite racist behaviour (yes, you, Klu Klux Klan), then I personally think that those people should be shot straight into space. They can protest all they like out there; no-one will hear them. It's 2011, not 1911, get with the times people!
TheRandomROFL 5 months ago
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I'll have to disagree with you about the Westboro Baptist Church. I would certainly consider some of their actions harassment. They may not threaten any physical harm, but they do deliberately attack people psychologically. I will say though, in cases where they merely assemble in the streets to protest, that is fairly utilizing their freedom of speech, whether I agree with them or not. When protesting at a funeral, however, that is not only unlawfully offensive but also disturbing the peace.
huntertredway 5 months ago
I'll have to disagree with you about the Westboro Baptist Church. I would certainly consider some of their actions harassment. They may not threaten any physical harm, but they do deliberately attack people psychologically. I will say though, in cases where they merely assemble in the streets to protest, that is fairly utilizing their freedom of speech, whether I agree with them or not. When protesting at a funeral, however, that is not only unlawfully offensive but also disturbing the peace.
huntertredway 5 months ago
Funerals are private and should remain that way no matter if you feel like you have the right to show up to a funeral for protesting purposes. The army has the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, which the Westboro people should realize is not accepting of gays. Every soldier is not gay, so in this case I believe they had no right to protest and the father had every right to sue and should have won.
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I just dont understand why they have to protest at a soldiers funeral. Those men chose to go to war zones with the possibility to die. They aren't being punished.
And they are hurting people (their feelings) with their acts and speeches.
Freedom of speech is a good thing. But it doesn't mix well with retardation.
Daxmau5 5 months ago
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Daxmau5 5 months ago
Westboro protested my school last year... I agree that I would not be sad if they did spontaneously combust.
manateelover95 5 months ago
If Good could be explained with words, Dan Brown would be the answer!
majkol13 5 months ago
PDBAZ is back!
Lorre852 5 months ago
On a related note, I was at school today. We had an assembly, and I said to my friend that I was bored of having the same assmebly every week. I was taken away, and told I was embaressing the school (there was a guest speaker), and disruptive. I said it was my opinion, and I have every right to voice it, but I was sent to senior staff, and to be quite frank, given a bollocking. Yeah. Fun.
vickinoble 5 months ago
I do get your point about the supreme court ruling 8:1 in favor of the WBChurch, but at a funeral? Can we call a funeral public and isn't it defiling the soldiers death?
Cotc09 5 months ago
@Cotc09 Agreed. WB Church may have the right to free speech, but they also have the responsibility to keep the peace. Clearly, they past that line a long time ago. So Dan, if you agree about them having the right to free speech as they are, could you explain in more detail your view on disturbing the peace and other civil responsibilities?
audiobahn404 5 months ago
I'M A ZOMIBIE, AND I AM OFFENDED!!
Mikeg993 5 months ago
@Mikeg993 "Please don't be a zombie" basically means don't follow the crowd, be your own person. It's not about actual zombies. :)
MilkyMillie 5 months ago
DAN BROWN FOR PRESIDENT!
benson1ification 5 months ago
I like your view on this, Dan. It's easy to argue for Freedom of Speech using an example you agree with; it's not so easy to argue for it using an example you are offended by. You do this very eloquently.
SMFortissimo 5 months ago
this is SO weird. this is all my history teacher was talking about today
WalrusMuffins10797 5 months ago
@WalrusMuffins10797 well, the universe does evolve around you after all.
(this was not meant to be mean. If you thought that I was making fun of you, don't.)
fuffluns 5 months ago
@fuffluns lol sorry.... but its weird cause my history teacher looks like him (a little older) and he was talking about America falling the same day he released that video
WalrusMuffins10797 5 months ago
@fuffluns and do you mean, "the universe revolves around me?"
WalrusMuffins10797 5 months ago
I am so happy that pdbaz has returned!!!! :D :D :D
aineb100 5 months ago
An exception to the 1st amendment is if your expression can cause someone harm. For example, yelling "Fire! everybody run!" in a crowded building, trying to hire a hitman/assassin, and (quite likely) flashing your headlights at night. It would depend on the way they did it, but they would need supporting evidence.
Also, the thing about "free speech" under the first amendment is it's only free from government control. If you go into a store, they can deny you service for saying "God hates fags."
SumWunGye 5 months ago
At the risk of being attacked, I want to mention one thing in regards to what you said about Westboro. You said they were a cult and that they were mentally handicapped. I agree that their opinions are unorthodox and, in some cases, just plain mean... in our opinions. However, this video is about free speech. They have it. I don't think it's fair to call them mentally handicapped. And by your logic, any group of people who have the same beliefs are a cult. I think you're wonderful. Thanks. :)
robinjoanna 5 months ago
@robinjoanna But he does have the freedom to say they are mentally handicapped.
PossumCuber 5 months ago
@PossumCuber Ha ha. This is true. I'm just trying to be fair to everyone.
robinjoanna 5 months ago
@PossumCuber Ha ha. This is true. I'm just trying to be fair to everyone.
robinjoanna 5 months ago
I agree totally with everything here, censoring anyone, even if they are offensive and ignorant is completely unacceptable and is the first step on an awful road.
riskitforabiskuit 5 months ago
In Denmark you have the right to always say your opinion, and the law says that you always have to respect anothers opinion.
Pruttebvs3 5 months ago
@MarkusPedersen well this is nothing agains you i agree with you theres just one thing. vær varsom-plakaten, is danish speaking, i neversen it before ( i live in denmark) but its not norwegian speach.
zekiraka 5 months ago
Freedom of speech is good and all, but how do we know it will no evolve from verbally harassing people and disrespecting the dead to physically harassing people and killing? These people show no sign of tolerance with others so why must they remain in our society where our biggest aim would be to achieve tolerance and understanding of one another and live in peace. These people only spread hate and for as long as I live, I will use my own rights of freedom of speech to counter theirs.
Stigsnake5 5 months ago
Everyone should have freedom of speech, but we should all think about what we say. Norwegian press has something beautiful going on, Vær Varsom-plakaten (the Be Considerate poster). It lists all the thing one should be considerate and careful when discussing. It basically says: "Hey there, before you say this, think about it a few times. Are you sure you should say this? Are you sure you need to?"
MarkusPedersen 5 months ago
@MarkusPedersen well this is nothing agains you i agree with you theres just one thing. vær varsom-plakaten, is danish speaking, i neversen it before ( i live in denmark) but its not norwegian speach.
zekiraka 5 months ago
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@markisonlin3 - Your statement "Freedom of Speech in the USA needs a limit. Westrbro is proof of this." is hateful of people who hold homophobic views, as such it is hate speech and should result in fine or imprisonment. See how fast that slop begins to slip?
I don't like what Westboro has to say, in the least, but I will defend to the death their right to say it. (paraphrasing Voltaire makes it no less true)
jastreich 5 months ago
take you god glasses off.
tiagom135 5 months ago
The thing with our country is that people think that just because they have the right to do something, that means they should. People abuse their freedom of speech and those people deserve to have it taken away, it isn't setting nearly as dangerous a precedent if we say "they abused their privileges, so they lost them."
With a driver's license, you have the right to drive a car; but, if you decide to start transporting drugs in that car, you lose your right to drive a car. Same basic principle.
brettisnotfunny 5 months ago
@brettisnotfunny it should be removal of the drivers license. u are free to retake a drivers exam.
in the same way, justice will fine u or lock u up if u misuse the freedom of speech. But, if u are allowed to voice ur opinion later again, if u do not offend ppl.
freedom of speech was born from oppression. dictators would shut ppl up if they had different ideas. now u are allowed to voice ur opinions, if u do not harass and discriminate ppl.
thats the whole principle.
HexerPsy 5 months ago
@HexerPsy You're allowed to voice your opinions no matter what. What do you call the term "God hates fags"? Because I call that discrimination. The United States has two extremes, either we don't do anything to stop it, or we crack down. Like it or not, we a re a country of radicals, and it's stupid. :/
brettisnotfunny 5 months ago
@brettisnotfunny u forgot the 3rd group - the one that doesnt care. i visited a few times and i get where ur comming from.
but "God hates fags" is simply misinformation. and thats hard to remove in the USA, cuz ppl r usually just badly informed.
God considers gay relationships to be sinful. but jesus died in the love for these ppl, taking their sins upon him and paying the price.
research also showes different sides to being gay
HexerPsy 5 months ago
@HexerPsy Yeah, but it's misinformation from a source with no definitive argument. The excuse "it's in the bible" only goes so far when an equal number of people in the world don't follow the bible.
And I see absolutely nothing wrong with letting gay people into the church, I know plenty of gay men that go to my church and nobody treats them any differently, we're all family. It's just radicals like the WBBC that seem to take the bible far too literally. It's a symbol, not an encyclopedia.
brettisnotfunny 5 months ago
@brettisnotfunny research has shown that gay ppl have a dfferent size of hypothalamus, which regulates hormons. among that is the sexual orientation.
admitted its only part of the 3 causes, but some ppl r just born gay, and that is something we should accept.
Christianity also speaks of a rebirth in heaven, where u receive a different body. so im my opinion, whats wrong with welcoming gay ppl in the church? tinyurl com/ktsmc
HexerPsy 5 months ago
@wolvesayke - Egypt was an example of "when governments become destructive to these [rights] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and establish new government." The problem is the new government is now also going crazy with censorship in Egypt.
Private school works the same way as employment (in my last post). Public school being government run and compulsory is an interesting case. One that is still actively being fought in the courts (see "Bong Hits 4 Jesus").
jastreich 5 months ago
@Wolvesayke - Rights are intrinsic to man, being "from their creator". Some governments might infringe those rights, but the rights themselves are unalienable. Other times, people may chose to give up their rights for reasons of socital good, fear of the consequences, etc. Being fired from a job because you complain about your boss isn't an infringement on the freedom of speech. It is the exercise of the company's right to chose who works for them.
jastreich 5 months ago
@jastreich I love you.
robinjoanna 5 months ago
No one has real free speech. If someone is to have free speech they need to be able to voice their opinions without punishment. I'm 15 and if I speak back to a teacher or say I think they're wrong, or voice any opinion that contradicts what the school says I get punished for it. The same goes for anyone with a job against their boss or a person against their government (Egypt anyone?). True free speech never has, and never will exist because authority figures always restrain alternate opinions.
Wolvesayke 5 months ago 78
@Wolvesayke to be fair, being a 15 year old and possibly holding back the education and future of 29 other people is a really bad way to use your freedom to speech. im 16, and i almost failed my GCSE's cos of people who thought their right to speech took precedence over 29 other peoples right to an education.
voicing an opinion with a boss will never get you fired, because you would be able to sue them for disregarding your freedom to speech. and the egyptian government was more than just
shamitri 5 months ago
@shamitri You are a brilliant genius.
robinjoanna 5 months ago
@robinjoanna why thank you :)
shamitri 5 months ago
@Wolvesayke to be fair, being a 15 year old and possibly holding back the education and future of 29 other people is a really bad way to use your freedom to speech. im 16, and i almost failed my GCSE's cos of people who thought their right to speech took precedence over 29 other peoples right to an education.
voicing an opinion with a boss will never get you fired, because you would be able to sue them for disregarding your freedom to speech. and the egyptian governmen
shamitri 5 months ago
@Wolvesayke government was more than abusing their citizens right to free speech.
shamitri 5 months ago
@Wolvesayke freedom of speech is born from oppression. ppl would be locked up, fined or killed when voicing their opinions. or groups would be excluded from the ability to voice their opinions.
it means u can disagree with the political party, make ur own, etc etc
ur boss just has the right to choose who works for him. u may disagree at ur own risk.
HexerPsy 5 months ago
@HexerPsy Always nice to see someone went ahead and took the effort to say what I wanted to, Much appreciated.
RayGroot 5 months ago
@HexerPsy You deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
robinjoanna 5 months ago
@Wolvesayke Free speech does not mean speech without consequence. Free speach - the freedom to speak your mind - exists. You're not a fucking puppet. It's the greatest virtue of society, the ability to say whatever and the capacity and responsability of having to hear whatever.
YEAHYEAHYEP 5 months ago
@Wolvesayke Free speech does not mean speech without consequence. Free speach - the freedom to speak your mind - exists. You're not a fucking puppet. It's the greatest virtue of society, the ability to say whatever and the capacity and responsability of having to hear whatever.
YEAHYEAHYEP 5 months ago
@YEAHYEAHYEP You're a sexy bitch. ;)
robinjoanna 5 months ago
@robinjoanna I Am The Beast of Raw Sensuality. GOO GOO G'JOOB
YEAHYEAHYEP 5 months ago
@Wolvesayke Talking back to your teacher is not freedom of speech. That is a narrow view of the freedom that our country is built on. We can speak against our government without legal action, which is the definition of free speech. It was not meant for daily use. Our Constitution was written by men who were killed simply for speaking ill of the king. Also, Egypt is not America, so I don't understand why you alluded to them. If this were the case, then Conan O'Brien would be in jail or dead.
robinjoanna 5 months ago
@Wolvesayke Talking back to your teacher is not freedom of speech. That is a narrow view of the freedom that our country is built on. We can speak against our government without legal action, which is the definition of free speech. It was not meant for daily use. Our Constitution was written by men who were killed simply for speaking ill of the king. Also, Egypt is not America, so I don't understand why you alluded to them. If this were the case, then Conan O'Brien would be in jail or dead.
robinjoanna 5 months ago 30
@robinjoanna I've got to say I disagree with you both. Talking back to your teacher IS use of free speach. However, if one goes on about ones backtalking in a respectfull manner, there should be no reason for the teacher to react; HOWEVER! what the teacher might (and probably should) react upon is the fact that you most likely are disrupting his class. This is obv. just an example.
You can't say what you want to anyone you want without consequenses. But is this actually a bad thing?
OllieTheThird 5 months ago
@OllieTheThird I completely agree with you.
robinjoanna 5 months ago
@robinjoanna1. Talking back to your teacher is absolutely a form of free speech. If a teacher is wrong, or they say something you disagree with, its is your duty as a youth in the American education system to point it out and use your voice. Kids being sil