From what you say in this video I take it you completely reject ideas about objective ethical principles advocated by thinkers like Ayn Rand, Richard Carrier, and Sam Harris?
@MagisterPridgen Sam Harris argues a pragmatic case for morals, and while he does use the word objective, it isn't objective in the same sense as typical theism. It isn't an objective standard set by an all powerful law giver. It's an objective standard as an argued permise, a base, from which moral statements can be established as true or false.
@Sinnessa Agreed, which is what makes it objective. Theism is neither objective nor moral. Saying that an ethical code is objective because someone decrees it is a contradiction and doubly so since in this case the source of the decree is a fictional being. Even if Yahweh did exist, however, "because I said so" is anything but objective. For that we must look to the facts of reality.
Okay, this is totally strange, maybe everyone else knows this. I've been following TheoreticalBullshit for a while now, because I like this guy's critical thinking skills. So, I'm spending today at home with my wife, who watches "The Bold and the Beautiful" regularly (not my thing, but....). This character appears who's a dead ringer for TheoreticalBullshit dude. A Google search confirmed my suspicions. It turns out that Scott Clifton Snyder is a Renaissance man with an Emmy Award. Cool...
Sure sit down think about it, read about it, form a solid opinion, check your base to it's factual content.....yeah but we don't act like this! How we are normally everyday isn't the same as what you're saying. Why should I step aside for others? So I can expect them to step aside for me? Should it just make me happy to step aside as I'm some super nice person and they will see me as such? Human life doesn't have a real value at all. Only in it's importance to another individual and it's self!
If you don't believe in a "value maker" or human beings having value.....then please do us all a favor and throw yourself in front of a moving vehicle or jump off a bridge.....
God is not a value maker, but a fear monger for all I care. At least according to way humans have used his supposed messages. I can say I have more values and moral than lots of God worshipers. They are judgemental and point their fingers at everything that is different and condemn them because it is not according what the bible. Frankly, what a waste of time and a crock of s**t. Bible = mass control. If God really exist, we wil know when we die. Until then.. I am atheist.
You sir have got me hooked, i cannot find a single thing with your arguments. I love how you have an answer to every problem someone finds with your ideas
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Hahahaha atheists are so stupid! Human life human life human life, that's what they keep harping about. Well, who created LIFE? An accident? A Big Bang?
Okay agreed, who caused the big bang?
Like come on atheists stop being stupid. Who gave you the idea that you have to care about HUMAN LIFE. It's RELIGION. And religion that came from GOD.
You don't believe in God but you love to live according to the rules and regulations described by God in our religion.... You suck
@Majidkb87 dude, did you just suggest to having gay relations? Seriously, I mean if you knew it was happening, then you weren't really "sleeping", were you?
Next time you try to target someone by using the "you're gay" insult, try not painting yourself in the bullseye. Trolling 101
@Majidkb87 Its apparent you don't understand simple satirical ridicule, so I'll explain. You tried insulting someone by calling them gay. You suggested that they gave you oral sex while you were asleep. Now, whenever I am asleep, I am unaware of things going on in the conscious world. So, how did you know he blew you, if you weren't in fact awake? So you see, I posed the idea that you were indeed awake during this sexual escapade, and that you allowed it to happen. Ur then gay. lulz ensue.
You didn't read the second line of my comment then, oh well, truth is truth and truth about it is that it's bitter.
I can understand why you're so ignited by my comment :P Not your fault, not your fault.
Oh by the way EDDY, you don't need to reply to me, I find some good sense of conversation in you so I wouldn't want to continue this crap with you but with the guy in the video. I'll talk to you on your video.
@Majidkb87 Religion was written by people. Take Zeus, Buddha, Pagan gods etc. Do you believe in them? Why? Also, read Deuteronomy chapter 22 verses 20-27. That's some fucked up shit right there. Not good values. Where did the universe come from? So, "everything has to come from something". The universe needs a creator. But who created the creator? If you base your argument on a rule and then make the solution the one exception to the rule that is not a good argument.
@Majidkb87 Basically, we don't know everything yet but the Bible doesn't add much to our knowledge. Religious experience and tradition has many positive aspects, but they relate to subjective experience: it's in your head. This can be great, but I prefer to admit that we don't know everything. Read the Old testament. If that is God's word I wouldn't worship him. He promotes genocide, sexism and a bunch of other things. I gave you a Deuteronomy quote. Explain that to me.
@jgonsalk Been a while I had visited this page again.
But let's commence this discussion again. Let me tell you, you HAVE to know when you talk to a religious person, WHAT is it that you need to ask and what aspects you need to keep in mind before you start the conversation.
I am a person who believes in God and I am a Muslim. There's only ONE God for me and according to what HE has said, all other holy scriptures other than Qur'an, have been changed and modified by humans.
@Majidkb87 Your personal beliefs are your own business and I won't deny you that right. However, I find that religious texts present an errant version of morality (more concerned with sex than justice) and I feel there is no God. We disagree here and this is perfectly fine. Given that I don't believe in any religious text, quoting the Qu'ran would not be constructive for this discussion. Either way, thanks for your responses and I wish you the best.
@jgonsalk You responded very politely and that kind of made me happy. I've wanted to see more earnest, straightforward, and thoughtful discussions between atheists and theists, instead of these heated ones that only break down into hatred and name calling.
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@jgonsalk That's why I didn't quote you in the first place. But you know what? We humans are curious. Your search has made you believe there's no God and I have a firm belief that there is.
But here's the thing. My further search would be to go deeper in the signs to have even more clear understanding of HIS existence. But my question to you is, has your searched stopped? Or you think you have taken into account EVERYTHING that makes you say, there's no God?
@Majidkb87 Well, I obviously hit a nerve.. lol. Atheism is not a religion or an ideology. It merely describes a lack of belief in gods & goddesses. That's it. Atheists can be left wing or right wing, black or white, religious or non-religious, believe in science or not believe in science. Your 'question' seems more aimed at scientists. They would answer, 'we have some ideas but we don't know... yet'. Which is a lot more honest than your, 'goddidit'. Btw, your attitude is self-defeating.
@Codex7777 Hahaha.... Just look at your post and see whose attitude is self-defeating. That's the point my boy that's the point. Keep pointing your finger at others for reasons or no reasons and that's what people like you do.
Ask me what's atheism. Well obviously it's not a set of beliefs or even ideology because obviously there's not mind involved so it doesn't have to be an idea by any means.
@Codex7777 Let me show you the mirror. You didn't get what you and you started crying like a baby. You saw the religion is stopping you from illegal and unlawful sex so you had to come up with an excuse. You do wrong but you don't want to be blamed for that. One has to have a purpose in life and that makes life challenging which obviously you people don't have the guts to. You want easy life with NO WORRIES. You are purposeless, meaningless and senseless animals in fact the worst kind on earth.
@Majidkb87 Yes that's absolutely right. Spot on! It's so rare nowadays to read such intelligent, incisive, objective comments. Thank you for opening my eyes to the benefits of religious 'thinking'.
@Codex7777 Opening your eyes? Does that make any difference? I mean really? You think your eyes were ever closed? Man, you people are so blind even with your eyes opened that you can't even tell if your eyes are even opened or not. Haha and you think by saying such stupid things you can stop me? Well to tell you the truth, people like you deserve to die or in fact need to be murdered. You know why they kill pests, viruses and harmful bacteria? Same reason, they're harmful just like you.
@Codex7777 You people are absolutely no good to society, to the world or the people. All you brag about is humanity while you forget about it when you see a religious person and you start saying all the bad things about him/her. So yeah my friend, meet me outside some day. I'll eat your fucking brains because you know what? That's natural selection. The universe wanted it that or say, it just HAPPENED BY CHANCE. I am not going to be held responsible for it will I?
@Majidkb87 Let's see, I make a pretty mild comment (including a smiley). You reply with aggression, expletives, threats & calls for mass murder. Yet, somehow, you see yourself as being resonable & me as being unreasonable. You continue to make unfounded assumptions, coupled with threats. You don't appear to have any understanding of what atheism actually is. Your opposition to atheism is fueled by ignorance & hate. Amazingly, you believe that this approach is beneficial to your position.
Yes this is the right approach. You know people like you impress people who don't have a brain not us. I used to think I'll only start talking to an atheist when I'll have the answers to their questions. I talked once and then I realized wtf? I mean you don't have ANY LOGIC, NO NO NO LOGIC WHATSOEVER. So yeah, if you're a person without any reason and purpose in your life and you're no good to society but a harmful insect, I'll kill you anyday.
@Majidkb87 "So yeah, if you're a person without any reason and purpose in your life and you're no good to society but a harmful insect, I'll kill you anyday."
Wow...just wow! I am ceaselessly impressed by the morality projected by religious fundamentalists. It's always so tightly reasoned and clearly articulated that it makes me want to sign up at the very next opportunity.
I finally signed in to my account after months and I still had to see your effing comment. I don't even remember what I was talking about howeverrrrrrrrrrrr, from this last comment I am sure I must have been talking to a stupid atheist.
Dude stop trying to prove yourself as a "humanitarian shithole" when you know that all your "good" things that you try to do in life have been borrowed from Religious scriptures. Such an ass!!!!
@Majidkb87 "...you know that all your "good" things that you try to do in life have been borrowed from Religious scriptures."
Not so much....I recommend 'The Moral Landscape' by Sam Harris. There is no need for scripture in the navigation of morality. Indeed, much of what is reputedly commanded by the gods of the Bible or the Koran we regard today as distinctly immoral. Our increasing moral awareness since the Enlightenment is happening despite scripture, not because of it.
@delevin100 Okay let's see. When was "The Moral Landscape" written?
Secondly I am asking this question only for the sake of it because anything you tell could never be better than Qur'an.
And for the sake of argument again, how about you prove to me what's in Sam Harris' book that you could PROVE to be better than what's written in Qur'an?
@Codex7777 You know what? You're lucky to be not in my reach. You call my statements threats only because you're not within my reach. I have had enough of your atheism bull crap.
EVERY SINGLE ENTITY in the world has a purpose in their life BUT THE ATHEISTS.
Tell me one thing, why are you an atheist?
No crap my boy, a nice answer okay? An answer that makes sense so I can then prove to you how stupid you are and I might give it one more try to save you from dying as a stupefied bloke.
@Majidkb87 I call certain of your statements threats because they are threats. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. It's pointless even trying to have a discussion with you. You've closed your mind to all possible truths, other than the one you've been brainwashed with. You are incapable of adult conversation & rely instead on 'naughty' words & oh so brave, over the anonymity of the internet, aggression. I leave you in the company of your own puerile swearing & frustrated teenage tantrums
@Codex7777 Shut the fuck up bitch! I know people like you. When they have nothing to say they always go like "I leave you on this and that. I know you're a teen." I am older enough to fuck your mom and have you call me dad, do you get it?
Older than you most probably and yes. You don't like me abusing and saying all those words to you? Well it's the same as you denying my God which is by name Allah.
I haven't closed my mind to the truths you doofus. I have closed it for twats like you.
@Codex7777 And instead of replying to my very important question, you took the sidewalk and just tried to elude the question. So listen, you have no answers and you have no truths whatsoever in your life. All you're living is an illusion. You think you'll just have fun in the world and that's it. Well then let's wait for that day to come when you'll be standing and waiting for your final decision to be given and when you'll be crying from the very inside on your mistake of denying the truth.
@Majidkb87 Why should I debate somebody who is incapable of rational debate and has been nothing but rude, immature, puerile and insulting throughout? Nevertheless, to answer your question, because I see no evidence to support your claims. Why don't you believe in all the other deities that have ever been worshipped? As for 'fucking my mom' you'd have a hard job, even if you are into necrophilia, as she died 40 years ago, when I was six. Your juvenile level of debate maintained to the end.
@Codex7777 ooooooohhhhhhhhh rational debate? Dude your atheism starts from "the life might have come". It describes most of the unanswerable questions as "well there is a chance". You describe the present human form as "there might have been an ancestor". *Clears the throat* Do you see any rational reasons there? Everything based on "might have" "may have" and theories. Come on stop being a wall. It's time you realize that atheism is nothing but running from reality.
@Codex7777 As far as believing in other deities. Dude you even know what you're talking about? I mean do you even have ANY KNOWLEDGE about whatever you say? It's Islam that EXPLAINS what those deities are and everything else that has been and is still being worshipped in the world. You don't even have any idea what these deities are do you? Or if you have the idea can you please increase my knowledge a bit. If not then ask me so I'll explain to you Mr. "I'm mature and I know everything".
@Codex7777 As for "fucking your mom". I have such a cool answer to your BS once again hahaha. But it's time I save myself some anger. It's just that the level of stupidity of atheists gets me mad. But okay let me be pure Islamic right now. I am sorry for the bad words I used for your mom or you. But remember no apologies for whatever I call to atheism. My anger got me there but now that I have cooled down let's talk.
@Codex7777 And it's not "Goddidit". It's "GoddiditGoddoesitAndGodwilldoit". And yes you're right that there is a nerve that's been hit but what you don't know is that it's not you who did it. It's an army of you fools altogether that has managed to raise the bar of your stupidity to such a level that now the "people who know" have to slap your face and tell you to wake up and start seeing the reality.
Islam is right for sure well I don't need to even mention that.
@Codex7777 And it's not "Goddidit". It's "GoddiditGoddoesitAndGodwilldoit". And yes you're right that there is a nerve that's been hit but what you don't know is that it's not you who did it. It's an army of you fools altogether that has managed to raise the bar of your stupidity to such a level that now the "people who know" have to slap your face and tell you to wake up and start seeing the reality.
Islam is right for sure well I don't need to even mention that.
@jgonsalk You keep asking questions from people of different religions but I don't think that even addresses the real matter here. Your discussion with me should be pertaining to does God exist or not? Why? Because if you would quote me things from various Holy scriptures I would most probably answer you with logic but I'll support my answer with the knowledge in Qur'an which probably won't make any sense to you because then I'll sound eccentric to you. For us MUSLIMS, there is only ONE God.
@jgonsalk And there has been only one message from that very ONE God. Practices and other aspects have been changing but the main goal and aim was only to believe in ONE GOD. Even the messengers came on earth for no other purpose than to tell the people that there is only One God.
So yeah, to answer your enquiry. I would say that show me ANY verse from HOLY QUR'AN that promotes Genocide, sexism or any other things which causes disaster to this world or is harmful to humanity.
human life is not objectively valuable, we assign life value because we are the ones experiencing it, we are invested in our own lives therefor it is valuable to us.
The value maker is the individual not some invisible super entity. As proof of this consider the sanctioned slaughter of other tribes by this entity and its' motivations for such slaughter. Religion is a human contrivance and justification for the wholesale slaughter of thousands of nonbelievers. The same thing is true of all the other religions of the of the world.
to me.. life is as more valuable without christian dogmas in my mind. Since I stopped believing in religion I started to value life much more than before and I value my life much more. Every second of my life is important and has to be lived and enjoyed at 100%!!
I seem to believe everything you believe & there's not been one thing i disagree on (from what i've watched so far which is a lot lol). But i have a SELFISH question..... Do you not get a little depressed over the fact that life or we as an individual are meaningless, have no value (generally only to our family and friends), and the fact that when we die we pretty much become nothing for Eternity? :P :P
Life, clearly, is of no objective value. We just live it, struggle with it, enjoy the happy times and suffer with the bad times, because we find ourselves, by no choice of our own .... ALIVE. I find it really sad that most of the problems and unhappiness of the world, seem always to be caused by those who believe there IS an objective value, and they defend their own beliefs and/or world view with horrible and destructive violence toward those who are "different" from themselves. ;(
well if you believe the earth is valuable, and you are taking away from its value by destroying it, then you have negative value. And I am talking about absolute value of things. And if you CAN justify human life being subjectively valuable you can justify a lot of crimes ,e.g. murder, because they had no value and were actually damaging more valuable thing. This how hitler convince others that its ok the genocide of the jews was ok.
Good vid. You hit the nail on the head. Value is a subjective idea, by definition. How to sum this up in one sentence: Human life has value because human beings value it.
You need to talk about their belief in hell. How can chrsitians believe in a god that sends EVERYONE who isn't a Christian to infinite torture and pain? This doesn't seem like a loving god...
But once you realize that what you see as valuable is not really valuable then you come to a cross roads where you have to decide whether you are ok that you actually have a negative value and that the rest of the wold wouldn't miss a beat if you didn't exist and the earth would actually prosper if human didn't exist. Then you realize the earth has no value (except for the fact the it holds life which has no objective value). Which is why it make atheist more likely to kill and commit suicide.
@remnent7 This sentence made my head spin -- "But once you realize that what you see as valuable is not really valuable..." What do you mean by "really valuable"? You're making the mistake that the maker of the video is talking about -- you're looking at value as something that has to be established from outside the valuer. And that's just not correct. Value is, by definition, a subjective position. Something has value if someone values it. There is no "REALLY valuable" independent of that.
The bible states that the Earth is 6000 but we have proven that it is 4.5 billion years old, We have carbon dated plants, fossils, Bones of dinosaurs, ocean life, rocks, etc, and it is completely impossible that the Earth is 6000 years old so obviously the Bible is incorrect and thus nulled. Christianity is such a joke, It is honestly laughable, I have read through about half of the bible in a my free time just for fun and in my free time and there is no way that I could believe it.
The bible does not say that the earth is 6000 years old. That is what people draw and conclude from it. There is a difference from what is "written" in the Bible and what is "taught" from the bible. It is difficult (for any ancient texts) to "conclude" what is being said because we use a modern mindset to decipher and "ancient" ideal. Please understand that the Bible is not translated as it was written centuries ago. It's translated for modern religion and teaching, unfortunately.
@Zantle77 I apologize for being ignorant but thanks for not getting angry at me, my girlfriend and I got in a fight so I just was in a mood to "blow some steam" I am usually not like that... Thank you for pointing that out I was It seems I was mislead, although I am agnostic I do appreciate the gift of learning and free will so thank you very much for the information and I am once again sorry for being rude, have a great day/night and life life every day like it were your last.
From 4000 to 10000 years estimation is usually calculated based on precise genealogy written in Genesis, so yes - if the Bible is literally true, then the world is AT MOST 10000 years old - even you can do the math.
And now every time science proves, that a specific thing in the Bible has to be false, believers will just "change the meaning" of it instead of admitting, that the Bible is just a collection of stories, from which only some of them might be based on a true event.
Of corse, those who say, "Change the meaning" do so because they have previosly given it a meaning which is not from God, but rather from their own greedineses.
The point is, when so many denominations cannot agree what the Bible says, how can anyone believe in any of them? Who has the authority to say "my interpretation is the only correct one"? Well, I suppose God himself (not some prophet) should walk down here and finally set his story straight - how probable is that to happen?
@Ceberuss 2011 years ago He did. He even told some prophets 500 years earlier what He would do. When He was 33 He ran into the same problems, people who pretend to follow the law but do so to look all high & mighty to men. In short they up and killed Him, but of coarse this was the plan. If you want the correct interpretation, then you must know that the whole of or none of the bible is true, you must not add, or take away ANYTHING. You must read it without any intent of personal, earthly, gain.
Do you realize, that the Bible wasn't initially written in English and that it was put together by people who decided what should or shouldn't be in it? Something might be added or missing. So you don't know if you have a completely correct book, you don't know if it was translated correctly, and on top of that you don't know if you interpret it correctly - yet some believers will still call their interpretations as "word of God" that is undoubtedly true.
The Hebrew Aramaic & Greek texts were translated by monks to Latin in the later Roman & middle ages. These monks could be removed from the monastery or killed if they got one thing wrong. The monks were also very learned in the scriptures, and were greatly concerned with translating meaning (which is greater than words). Original to Latin translations were made many times by monks of different lands, and generations, throughout these hundreds of years: and guess what, they all mach-up perfectly.
@Weesnauh Who made the copies up to that point?More monks with checks and balances to pressure perfection? Who wrote down the text to begin with? What actual existing balance caused what they wrote to be a perfect representation of the situation? Did you know the "Dead Sea scrolls" are dated to a time far beyond the textual context (when the text was supposed to have happened & to have been written down)? who copied that?
'Tis the nature of 6/14 dating to be able to date, only to the time of death, of a once- living organism. The reliability of the results goes down, as the age of the sample goes up. Only readings of under 2,000 years are reliable (providing that the amount of 6/14 in the atmosphere has always been that which it is today).
A: The only thing that makes money worth anything is the worth that we all agree it has. If we all at once agree that the $USD is meaningless, than that will have a lot of useless bank notes. When I decide $ is meaningless, I will be alone on that.
The same holds for the value of life. Society has come to an unconscious consensus that life should not be discouraged.
Seriously though, what gives these things value is that we need them to survive, not that they have some intrinsic value. That's why a thirsty man will pay (or do) more for water, while a well-hydrated man can pass up a free bottle. If it had worth independent of his need, he'd be obliged to take it.
Well, if we did, it would end up pretty nasty. :-) Unfortunately some theists think, that atheists essentially say "life is random and meaningless, why to bother". But what's even more surprising is, that some of the theist's view can be interpreted like that: "life on Earth is meaningless suffering, just accept Jesus/Allah/whatever, and after these insignificant couple of years on Earth you get eternal joy".
Wow. Okay first off I love your videos, you make good arguments and you speak intelligently which make's people take you seriously. Secondly no matter how well you speak or how good your arguments are how can you expect people to listen to you speak when your looking so cute with your messy hair ans superman t-shirt!? I swear I missed half of you arguments.
As much as I love your videos, it's really hard to pay attention when you're playing with what sounds like a cereal bowl in your superman shirt and messy hair... (i mean that in the nicest way) you're so adorable.
I have to restart this so I can actually listen because I haven't heard a word you've said. :)
There's no such thing as a "sperm-drop". There are drops of semen, which contain sperm, which are simply very tiny organisms. Let's try to pay attention to the language we've all agreed on.
I wish I would've seen this video before a christian decided to lunge this moronic attack at me. This so-called "friend" said that since I'm atheist, and believe we evolved from animals, etc, "perhaps you should rape women to gain dominance in the world, since you have no God to put value on us, what value is there?" What a nasty, unloving, disgusting attack. Watching your videos give me hope and support to keep going. Thank you so much! <3
I thought you were saying that YOU thought life had no value.
If you meant, "what MAKES life valuable" was improper because it assumes SOMEONE, i.e. god, GAVE it value, then I see your point there. But, later at 2:30 you sound like you don't think there is an Objective definition of value. Below I respond to that and give an example of an Objective definition of value. I noticed a couple of typos in my comment below. Looking forward to your response.
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Just so you know, I am an Atheist but I disagree with this video and most of the comments. MY life is EXTREMELY valuable and my values stem from that fact. 2nd, who says there needs to be a 'value maker?' god didn't make happiness but it exists. god didn't make beauty, but there is beauty. LIFE is the most valuable thing to ANY living being. R U saying that if we lived forever that life WOULD be valuable but if we don't then it's not? Because we DONT' live forever every moment is priceless.
Are you saying there is NO Objective definition of value? Example: Food is of value to humans and other creatures that NEED food to survive. That is an Objective value. Lets see a someone try going without food and prove that the need of food is Subjective. Values presupposes an answer to the question: of value to whom and for what? -(Rand) Whenever there is a goal, there are things objectively valuable to the achievement of it. Goals such as life, a job, a skill, paying rent, etc. Agree? Not?
please look up the definition of objective and subjective. even everybody shared the same opinion (oranges are tasty) does not make that opinion objectively true. so it doesn't matter if everyone considers their life valuable, that doesn't make it objectively valuable.
food is only objectively valuable in the biological sense where food serves the purpose of keeping the organism alive.
but the phrase "objective value" is non-applicable to life, because there is no objective purpose for it.
yes, i am sure your life is EXTREMELY valuable... TO YOU and your loved ones, thereby making it a subjective value.
objective and subjective, for the record, have no relationship to how strongly you feel about something or how many others share that opinion.
the 2 examples you give: happiness and beauty - happiness is mostly subjective (can be pseudo-objective if you wish to count the serotonin in the brain) and beauty is extremely subjective.
ce n'est pas my fickle friend saying there is a giraffe on my head (if there truly was) would be objective because there was actually physically a giraffe on my head
It's so hard for people to grasp that idea, but it's the truth. The same way that other animals don't have a "purpose", it's arrogant to think that we somehow do
Why don't you value human life without thinking your being monitored and will be rewarded? That seems like a crappy way of "valuing" human life in the first place.
Wow. I may be drunk on cheap cabernet at the moment but... A male mind interested in complex debate AND he's adorable? Keep the thoughts flowing my friend.
When I read that charlietcc guys comments I kept visualizing a 3 year old runing around screaming "NO.... NO.... NO..... I can't hear you, nana nana boo boo"
seemingly impossible questions (impossible, of course, being subjective hehe).. but brilliant answer. To say that there would be objective evidentiary support for "what makes life valuable" is completely oxymoronic as it applies to atheism. You worded it without offense and proved your point effectively. Very diplomatic. Touche!
@TheoreticalBullshit yes you do smell, its pungent and i can't stand it, my god that smell is so powerful its actually traveling THROUGH the internet ( and time apparently) and is disgusting me. No but seriously love the vids they certainly give me something to think about without being...harsh, like say thunderfoot's videos...I'm assuming you know who thunderfoot is. Hope you keep making them, keep being cool, and take a goddamn shower you hippie.
It has very much to do with this argument. One could logically assume that if life other human life has no real value whatsoever, then it's expendable and one should feel no remorse expending it. If we are no more than a herd of cattle, what's wrong with with killing others for the betterment of yourself?
You seem to think there's nothing wrong with that, and well.. I can't argue with you if that's the case... But that is an awefully unpopular stance.
"Value of life" and "morals" are two different things. If you want to get technical, we know it's wrong to kill other people (for any reason other than self-defense), because that's simply a MORAL our parents taught us. If you grew up in a cave, you might otherwise think it's ok to kill people. What does this have to do with god? Absolutely nothing. Stop trying to make nonsensical connections.
No, P2 and C contradict P1. If there is no objective or absolute moral justification or justice, then you cannot conclude that what the powerful do to the weak is justified.
Moreover, implicit in P2 is that you think a god somehow makes morality objective, when it is quite obvious it does not. Euthyphro's dilemma, and the is-ought problem, and all that jazz.
sure you can answer it...the answer is nothing...seriously there was no trick. Im genuinely interested to hear what people have to say. Of course I expected that many would saying 'nothing' but you of course had to read into the question this stuff about it not being applicable. its a valid question w/ a simple answer.Man your vid could have been 10sec long but nooo...good stuff by the way :)
"but you of course had to read into the question this stuff about it not being applicable. its a valid question w/ a simple answer."
Nopes. Don't have to "read into it". The question is not valid. I had a similar reaction that TBS had. A subjective question does not have an objective answer. It's a trap question (taken as given).
he did answer it though, he said no, there's no objective value because humans are subjective animals
and he was right to say you started with a question that was more geared to a theistic world view, which isn't surprising of course since you're a theist
but it's good you're making a genuine attempt to understand, asking questions is something that i think should be practice more often among believers and non-believers ^_^
From what you say in this video I take it you completely reject ideas about objective ethical principles advocated by thinkers like Ayn Rand, Richard Carrier, and Sam Harris?
MagisterPridgen 1 month ago
@MagisterPridgen Sam Harris argues a pragmatic case for morals, and while he does use the word objective, it isn't objective in the same sense as typical theism. It isn't an objective standard set by an all powerful law giver. It's an objective standard as an argued permise, a base, from which moral statements can be established as true or false.
Sinnessa 3 weeks ago 2
@Sinnessa Agreed, which is what makes it objective. Theism is neither objective nor moral. Saying that an ethical code is objective because someone decrees it is a contradiction and doubly so since in this case the source of the decree is a fictional being. Even if Yahweh did exist, however, "because I said so" is anything but objective. For that we must look to the facts of reality.
MagisterPridgen 3 weeks ago 2
you're so beautiful inside and out:)
jokifka 1 month ago
Okay, this is totally strange, maybe everyone else knows this. I've been following TheoreticalBullshit for a while now, because I like this guy's critical thinking skills. So, I'm spending today at home with my wife, who watches "The Bold and the Beautiful" regularly (not my thing, but....). This character appears who's a dead ringer for TheoreticalBullshit dude. A Google search confirmed my suspicions. It turns out that Scott Clifton Snyder is a Renaissance man with an Emmy Award. Cool...
delevin100 1 month ago 2
Sure sit down think about it, read about it, form a solid opinion, check your base to it's factual content.....yeah but we don't act like this! How we are normally everyday isn't the same as what you're saying. Why should I step aside for others? So I can expect them to step aside for me? Should it just make me happy to step aside as I'm some super nice person and they will see me as such? Human life doesn't have a real value at all. Only in it's importance to another individual and it's self!
theoseans 3 months ago
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Animal life is more important than you life. I agree with you there.
Let me guess, college boy who's never had a job. Over 18 and still living with mommy. LOL
coz3001 4 months ago
You look gayer in each video.
coz3001 4 months ago
May I ask how you think wee got here? What theory you have in mind?
TheXD8D 5 months ago
If you don't believe in a "value maker" or human beings having value.....then please do us all a favor and throw yourself in front of a moving vehicle or jump off a bridge.....
modestoca25 6 months ago
wait what?
pajamaman88 8 months ago
God is not a value maker, but a fear monger for all I care. At least according to way humans have used his supposed messages. I can say I have more values and moral than lots of God worshipers. They are judgemental and point their fingers at everything that is different and condemn them because it is not according what the bible. Frankly, what a waste of time and a crock of s**t. Bible = mass control. If God really exist, we wil know when we die. Until then.. I am atheist.
cboncklis 8 months ago
Characterisms? teehee.
kubush 8 months ago
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Oh and by the way, what's the effect of your video on the minds of the people, that can be clearly seen in the comments.
Reference:
I think he's cute with his hair all messed up. (It has four thumbs up)
Majidkb87 8 months ago
You sir have got me hooked, i cannot find a single thing with your arguments. I love how you have an answer to every problem someone finds with your ideas
Choc2312 8 months ago 2
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Hahahaha atheists are so stupid! Human life human life human life, that's what they keep harping about. Well, who created LIFE? An accident? A Big Bang?
Okay agreed, who caused the big bang?
Like come on atheists stop being stupid. Who gave you the idea that you have to care about HUMAN LIFE. It's RELIGION. And religion that came from GOD.
You don't believe in God but you love to live according to the rules and regulations described by God in our religion.... You suck
Majidkb87 8 months ago
@Majidkb87 derp, troll harder.
Drgamedood 8 months ago
@Drgamedood Surprise Surprise Surprise ... A gay looking fucktard with a video to attract homos can say that? I'm surprised
Majidkb87 8 months ago
@Majidkb87 cool story bro. tell ur mom i had fun last night. ;)
Drgamedood 8 months ago
@Drgamedood Why would I tell her about you blowing my cock when I was sleeping?
Majidkb87 8 months ago
@Majidkb87 dude, did you just suggest to having gay relations? Seriously, I mean if you knew it was happening, then you weren't really "sleeping", were you?
Next time you try to target someone by using the "you're gay" insult, try not painting yourself in the bullseye. Trolling 101
eddygoombah 8 months ago
@eddygoombah Who said if you give someone a blow job while they're sleeping means the person who's sleeping is gay????? :OOOOO
I reckoned it from your hair which I tried to pull when you were running away after I woke up.
By the way, you see how cleverly gays like you feel the pleasure inside when someone says something like this to you?
Majidkb87 8 months ago
@Majidkb87 Its apparent you don't understand simple satirical ridicule, so I'll explain. You tried insulting someone by calling them gay. You suggested that they gave you oral sex while you were asleep. Now, whenever I am asleep, I am unaware of things going on in the conscious world. So, how did you know he blew you, if you weren't in fact awake? So you see, I posed the idea that you were indeed awake during this sexual escapade, and that you allowed it to happen. Ur then gay. lulz ensue.
eddygoombah 8 months ago
@eddygoombah O.o
I don't understand? mhm mhm
You didn't read the second line of my comment then, oh well, truth is truth and truth about it is that it's bitter.
I can understand why you're so ignited by my comment :P Not your fault, not your fault.
Oh by the way EDDY, you don't need to reply to me, I find some good sense of conversation in you so I wouldn't want to continue this crap with you but with the guy in the video. I'll talk to you on your video.
Majidkb87 8 months ago
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@Majidkb87 all your comments show is that you like calling people names and saying that they are gay because they disagree with you.
You = Troll.
eddygoombah 8 months ago
@Majidkb87 Religion was written by people. Take Zeus, Buddha, Pagan gods etc. Do you believe in them? Why? Also, read Deuteronomy chapter 22 verses 20-27. That's some fucked up shit right there. Not good values. Where did the universe come from? So, "everything has to come from something". The universe needs a creator. But who created the creator? If you base your argument on a rule and then make the solution the one exception to the rule that is not a good argument.
jgonsalk 6 months ago
@Majidkb87 Basically, we don't know everything yet but the Bible doesn't add much to our knowledge. Religious experience and tradition has many positive aspects, but they relate to subjective experience: it's in your head. This can be great, but I prefer to admit that we don't know everything. Read the Old testament. If that is God's word I wouldn't worship him. He promotes genocide, sexism and a bunch of other things. I gave you a Deuteronomy quote. Explain that to me.
jgonsalk 6 months ago
@jgonsalk Been a while I had visited this page again.
But let's commence this discussion again. Let me tell you, you HAVE to know when you talk to a religious person, WHAT is it that you need to ask and what aspects you need to keep in mind before you start the conversation.
I am a person who believes in God and I am a Muslim. There's only ONE God for me and according to what HE has said, all other holy scriptures other than Qur'an, have been changed and modified by humans.
Majidkb87 6 months ago
@Majidkb87 Your personal beliefs are your own business and I won't deny you that right. However, I find that religious texts present an errant version of morality (more concerned with sex than justice) and I feel there is no God. We disagree here and this is perfectly fine. Given that I don't believe in any religious text, quoting the Qu'ran would not be constructive for this discussion. Either way, thanks for your responses and I wish you the best.
jgonsalk 6 months ago
@jgonsalk You responded very politely and that kind of made me happy. I've wanted to see more earnest, straightforward, and thoughtful discussions between atheists and theists, instead of these heated ones that only break down into hatred and name calling.
Seraph821 6 months ago
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@jgonsalk That's why I didn't quote you in the first place. But you know what? We humans are curious. Your search has made you believe there's no God and I have a firm belief that there is.
But here's the thing. My further search would be to go deeper in the signs to have even more clear understanding of HIS existence. But my question to you is, has your searched stopped? Or you think you have taken into account EVERYTHING that makes you say, there's no God?
Anyways, thank for your replies too
Majidkb87 6 months ago
@Majidkb87 I hope you see the irony in your post. If not, I suggest you re-read it, as objectively as possible. ;)
Codex7777 4 months ago 11
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@Codex7777 Should I clap? You think you just said something that proved you RIGHT?
I just realized by arguing with more atheists like you. YOU GUYS ARE STUPID. I mean really STUPID.
Just because you guys can't find your dads, you started saying you came out of nowhere. Haha
I was being moderate with you but I just realized. If you're stupid and you're PROUD OF IT. Well screw you.
Where did the universe come from? Prove!
Or else fuck yourself you fucking atheist!!
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Majidkb87 Well, I obviously hit a nerve.. lol. Atheism is not a religion or an ideology. It merely describes a lack of belief in gods & goddesses. That's it. Atheists can be left wing or right wing, black or white, religious or non-religious, believe in science or not believe in science. Your 'question' seems more aimed at scientists. They would answer, 'we have some ideas but we don't know... yet'. Which is a lot more honest than your, 'goddidit'. Btw, your attitude is self-defeating.
Codex7777 4 months ago 11
@Codex7777 Hahaha.... Just look at your post and see whose attitude is self-defeating. That's the point my boy that's the point. Keep pointing your finger at others for reasons or no reasons and that's what people like you do.
Ask me what's atheism. Well obviously it's not a set of beliefs or even ideology because obviously there's not mind involved so it doesn't have to be an idea by any means.
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Codex7777 Let me show you the mirror. You didn't get what you and you started crying like a baby. You saw the religion is stopping you from illegal and unlawful sex so you had to come up with an excuse. You do wrong but you don't want to be blamed for that. One has to have a purpose in life and that makes life challenging which obviously you people don't have the guts to. You want easy life with NO WORRIES. You are purposeless, meaningless and senseless animals in fact the worst kind on earth.
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Majidkb87 Yes that's absolutely right. Spot on! It's so rare nowadays to read such intelligent, incisive, objective comments. Thank you for opening my eyes to the benefits of religious 'thinking'.
Codex7777 4 months ago 7
@Codex7777 Opening your eyes? Does that make any difference? I mean really? You think your eyes were ever closed? Man, you people are so blind even with your eyes opened that you can't even tell if your eyes are even opened or not. Haha and you think by saying such stupid things you can stop me? Well to tell you the truth, people like you deserve to die or in fact need to be murdered. You know why they kill pests, viruses and harmful bacteria? Same reason, they're harmful just like you.
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Codex7777 You people are absolutely no good to society, to the world or the people. All you brag about is humanity while you forget about it when you see a religious person and you start saying all the bad things about him/her. So yeah my friend, meet me outside some day. I'll eat your fucking brains because you know what? That's natural selection. The universe wanted it that or say, it just HAPPENED BY CHANCE. I am not going to be held responsible for it will I?
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Majidkb87 Let's see, I make a pretty mild comment (including a smiley). You reply with aggression, expletives, threats & calls for mass murder. Yet, somehow, you see yourself as being resonable & me as being unreasonable. You continue to make unfounded assumptions, coupled with threats. You don't appear to have any understanding of what atheism actually is. Your opposition to atheism is fueled by ignorance & hate. Amazingly, you believe that this approach is beneficial to your position.
Codex7777 4 months ago 7
@Codex7777 Hahahaha
Yes this is the right approach. You know people like you impress people who don't have a brain not us. I used to think I'll only start talking to an atheist when I'll have the answers to their questions. I talked once and then I realized wtf? I mean you don't have ANY LOGIC, NO NO NO LOGIC WHATSOEVER. So yeah, if you're a person without any reason and purpose in your life and you're no good to society but a harmful insect, I'll kill you anyday.
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Majidkb87 "So yeah, if you're a person without any reason and purpose in your life and you're no good to society but a harmful insect, I'll kill you anyday."
Wow...just wow! I am ceaselessly impressed by the morality projected by religious fundamentalists. It's always so tightly reasoned and clearly articulated that it makes me want to sign up at the very next opportunity.
delevin100 2 months ago 5
@delevin100 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I finally signed in to my account after months and I still had to see your effing comment. I don't even remember what I was talking about howeverrrrrrrrrrrr, from this last comment I am sure I must have been talking to a stupid atheist.
Dude stop trying to prove yourself as a "humanitarian shithole" when you know that all your "good" things that you try to do in life have been borrowed from Religious scriptures. Such an ass!!!!
Majidkb87 1 month ago
@Majidkb87 "...you know that all your "good" things that you try to do in life have been borrowed from Religious scriptures."
Not so much....I recommend 'The Moral Landscape' by Sam Harris. There is no need for scripture in the navigation of morality. Indeed, much of what is reputedly commanded by the gods of the Bible or the Koran we regard today as distinctly immoral. Our increasing moral awareness since the Enlightenment is happening despite scripture, not because of it.
delevin100 1 month ago 4
@delevin100 Okay let's see. When was "The Moral Landscape" written?
Secondly I am asking this question only for the sake of it because anything you tell could never be better than Qur'an.
And for the sake of argument again, how about you prove to me what's in Sam Harris' book that you could PROVE to be better than what's written in Qur'an?
Majidkb87 1 month ago
@Majidkb87 I see your religion still hasn't helped you with your anger issues.
jaykulls 1 month ago 2
@jaykulls Man let's wait for the right time and we'll see.
Majidkb87 1 month ago
@Codex7777 You know what? You're lucky to be not in my reach. You call my statements threats only because you're not within my reach. I have had enough of your atheism bull crap.
EVERY SINGLE ENTITY in the world has a purpose in their life BUT THE ATHEISTS.
Tell me one thing, why are you an atheist?
No crap my boy, a nice answer okay? An answer that makes sense so I can then prove to you how stupid you are and I might give it one more try to save you from dying as a stupefied bloke.
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Majidkb87 I call certain of your statements threats because they are threats. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. It's pointless even trying to have a discussion with you. You've closed your mind to all possible truths, other than the one you've been brainwashed with. You are incapable of adult conversation & rely instead on 'naughty' words & oh so brave, over the anonymity of the internet, aggression. I leave you in the company of your own puerile swearing & frustrated teenage tantrums
Codex7777 4 months ago 7
@Codex7777 Shut the fuck up bitch! I know people like you. When they have nothing to say they always go like "I leave you on this and that. I know you're a teen." I am older enough to fuck your mom and have you call me dad, do you get it?
Older than you most probably and yes. You don't like me abusing and saying all those words to you? Well it's the same as you denying my God which is by name Allah.
I haven't closed my mind to the truths you doofus. I have closed it for twats like you.
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Codex7777 And instead of replying to my very important question, you took the sidewalk and just tried to elude the question. So listen, you have no answers and you have no truths whatsoever in your life. All you're living is an illusion. You think you'll just have fun in the world and that's it. Well then let's wait for that day to come when you'll be standing and waiting for your final decision to be given and when you'll be crying from the very inside on your mistake of denying the truth.
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Majidkb87 Why should I debate somebody who is incapable of rational debate and has been nothing but rude, immature, puerile and insulting throughout? Nevertheless, to answer your question, because I see no evidence to support your claims. Why don't you believe in all the other deities that have ever been worshipped? As for 'fucking my mom' you'd have a hard job, even if you are into necrophilia, as she died 40 years ago, when I was six. Your juvenile level of debate maintained to the end.
Codex7777 4 months ago 9
@Codex7777 ooooooohhhhhhhhh rational debate? Dude your atheism starts from "the life might have come". It describes most of the unanswerable questions as "well there is a chance". You describe the present human form as "there might have been an ancestor". *Clears the throat* Do you see any rational reasons there? Everything based on "might have" "may have" and theories. Come on stop being a wall. It's time you realize that atheism is nothing but running from reality.
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Codex7777 As far as believing in other deities. Dude you even know what you're talking about? I mean do you even have ANY KNOWLEDGE about whatever you say? It's Islam that EXPLAINS what those deities are and everything else that has been and is still being worshipped in the world. You don't even have any idea what these deities are do you? Or if you have the idea can you please increase my knowledge a bit. If not then ask me so I'll explain to you Mr. "I'm mature and I know everything".
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Codex7777 As for "fucking your mom". I have such a cool answer to your BS once again hahaha. But it's time I save myself some anger. It's just that the level of stupidity of atheists gets me mad. But okay let me be pure Islamic right now. I am sorry for the bad words I used for your mom or you. But remember no apologies for whatever I call to atheism. My anger got me there but now that I have cooled down let's talk.
Did you love or still love your mother?
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@Codex7777 And it's not "Goddidit". It's "GoddiditGoddoesitAndGodwilldoit". And yes you're right that there is a nerve that's been hit but what you don't know is that it's not you who did it. It's an army of you fools altogether that has managed to raise the bar of your stupidity to such a level that now the "people who know" have to slap your face and tell you to wake up and start seeing the reality.
Islam is right for sure well I don't need to even mention that.
Atheism = Vacuum
Majidkb87 4 months ago
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@Codex7777 And it's not "Goddidit". It's "GoddiditGoddoesitAndGodwilldoit". And yes you're right that there is a nerve that's been hit but what you don't know is that it's not you who did it. It's an army of you fools altogether that has managed to raise the bar of your stupidity to such a level that now the "people who know" have to slap your face and tell you to wake up and start seeing the reality.
Islam is right for sure well I don't need to even mention that.
Atheism = Vacuum
Majidkb87 4 months ago
@jgonsalk You keep asking questions from people of different religions but I don't think that even addresses the real matter here. Your discussion with me should be pertaining to does God exist or not? Why? Because if you would quote me things from various Holy scriptures I would most probably answer you with logic but I'll support my answer with the knowledge in Qur'an which probably won't make any sense to you because then I'll sound eccentric to you. For us MUSLIMS, there is only ONE God.
Majidkb87 6 months ago
@jgonsalk And there has been only one message from that very ONE God. Practices and other aspects have been changing but the main goal and aim was only to believe in ONE GOD. Even the messengers came on earth for no other purpose than to tell the people that there is only One God.
So yeah, to answer your enquiry. I would say that show me ANY verse from HOLY QUR'AN that promotes Genocide, sexism or any other things which causes disaster to this world or is harmful to humanity.
Majidkb87 6 months ago
Answr 1. Human life is valuable if those humans give me stuff.
Answr 2. The stuff they give me.
How is this about theology? I better go check out the other video, I must have missed something.
phil30k 8 months ago
human life is not objectively valuable, we assign life value because we are the ones experiencing it, we are invested in our own lives therefor it is valuable to us.
987654321bang 10 months ago
The value maker is the individual not some invisible super entity. As proof of this consider the sanctioned slaughter of other tribes by this entity and its' motivations for such slaughter. Religion is a human contrivance and justification for the wholesale slaughter of thousands of nonbelievers. The same thing is true of all the other religions of the of the world.
TheDano1947 10 months ago
to me.. life is as more valuable without christian dogmas in my mind. Since I stopped believing in religion I started to value life much more than before and I value my life much more. Every second of my life is important and has to be lived and enjoyed at 100%!!
chikipoune 11 months ago
You're a very bright individual and I only wish I could articulate my thoughts as well as you do. Keep up the great video's!
clgrnt 11 months ago
* I forgot you don't like the term BELIEVE lol, but what i mean is 'what we believe is true' due to logic and evidence. =D
kingsleykinglin 1 year ago
I seem to believe everything you believe & there's not been one thing i disagree on (from what i've watched so far which is a lot lol). But i have a SELFISH question..... Do you not get a little depressed over the fact that life or we as an individual are meaningless, have no value (generally only to our family and friends), and the fact that when we die we pretty much become nothing for Eternity? :P :P
kingsleykinglin 1 year ago
YouTubers are so easily impressed. All you have to do is give an argument with a trace of logic in it. Lmao.
ilyLaura1 1 year ago
@ilyLaura1 yeah, you are so great and above that aren't you, your highness?
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
Life, clearly, is of no objective value. We just live it, struggle with it, enjoy the happy times and suffer with the bad times, because we find ourselves, by no choice of our own .... ALIVE. I find it really sad that most of the problems and unhappiness of the world, seem always to be caused by those who believe there IS an objective value, and they defend their own beliefs and/or world view with horrible and destructive violence toward those who are "different" from themselves. ;(
justanote7 1 year ago
i cant understand half og theese words, too bad seems interesting
MoonLighTz0r 1 year ago
Tell me if I'm crazy, but this guy kinda looks like a mix between Dane Cook and Ryan Reynolds ... that's why these videos are so addicting
JarvisComics 1 year ago
@JarvisComics
He is also a TV star!
Phage0070 1 year ago
@Phage0070 Sweet
JarvisComics 1 year ago
well if you believe the earth is valuable, and you are taking away from its value by destroying it, then you have negative value. And I am talking about absolute value of things. And if you CAN justify human life being subjectively valuable you can justify a lot of crimes ,e.g. murder, because they had no value and were actually damaging more valuable thing. This how hitler convince others that its ok the genocide of the jews was ok.
remnent7 1 year ago
Good vid. You hit the nail on the head. Value is a subjective idea, by definition. How to sum this up in one sentence: Human life has value because human beings value it.
revelwoodie 1 year ago
The answer is simple. It is the driver for evolution through natural selection -survival.
mrjonno 1 year ago
You need to talk about their belief in hell. How can chrsitians believe in a god that sends EVERYONE who isn't a Christian to infinite torture and pain? This doesn't seem like a loving god...
luke26126 1 year ago
Your beard seems a little off. Your left side is thicker. Good video, though :D
THEdrumjunkie15 1 year ago
But once you realize that what you see as valuable is not really valuable then you come to a cross roads where you have to decide whether you are ok that you actually have a negative value and that the rest of the wold wouldn't miss a beat if you didn't exist and the earth would actually prosper if human didn't exist. Then you realize the earth has no value (except for the fact the it holds life which has no objective value). Which is why it make atheist more likely to kill and commit suicide.
remnent7 1 year ago
@remnent7 This sentence made my head spin -- "But once you realize that what you see as valuable is not really valuable..." What do you mean by "really valuable"? You're making the mistake that the maker of the video is talking about -- you're looking at value as something that has to be established from outside the valuer. And that's just not correct. Value is, by definition, a subjective position. Something has value if someone values it. There is no "REALLY valuable" independent of that.
revelwoodie 1 year ago
Bravo. simply BRAVO.
GalakFyarr 1 year ago
Even if god dictates morals.....are they not still subjective...with god being the "subject?"
boorens18 1 year ago
I believe one day you will be running down a busy city street naked and stabbing all your passerby with a very huge Ginsu
hotrodbod1 1 year ago
@hotrodbod1 what makes you believe that?
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
1) Human life is valuable to me because my brain is wired that way.
2) Every piece of objective evidence we have points to the brain as the origin of the mind.
borgimplant 1 year ago
what's up with your goat t man?
A1z1u1L 1 year ago
The bible states that the Earth is 6000 but we have proven that it is 4.5 billion years old, We have carbon dated plants, fossils, Bones of dinosaurs, ocean life, rocks, etc, and it is completely impossible that the Earth is 6000 years old so obviously the Bible is incorrect and thus nulled. Christianity is such a joke, It is honestly laughable, I have read through about half of the bible in a my free time just for fun and in my free time and there is no way that I could believe it.
CrankItEveryDay 2 years ago
The bible does not say that the earth is 6000 years old. That is what people draw and conclude from it. There is a difference from what is "written" in the Bible and what is "taught" from the bible. It is difficult (for any ancient texts) to "conclude" what is being said because we use a modern mindset to decipher and "ancient" ideal. Please understand that the Bible is not translated as it was written centuries ago. It's translated for modern religion and teaching, unfortunately.
Zantle77 2 years ago
@Zantle77 I apologize for being ignorant but thanks for not getting angry at me, my girlfriend and I got in a fight so I just was in a mood to "blow some steam" I am usually not like that... Thank you for pointing that out I was It seems I was mislead, although I am agnostic I do appreciate the gift of learning and free will so thank you very much for the information and I am once again sorry for being rude, have a great day/night and life life every day like it were your last.
CrankItEveryDay 2 years ago
@Zantle77
From 4000 to 10000 years estimation is usually calculated based on precise genealogy written in Genesis, so yes - if the Bible is literally true, then the world is AT MOST 10000 years old - even you can do the math.
And now every time science proves, that a specific thing in the Bible has to be false, believers will just "change the meaning" of it instead of admitting, that the Bible is just a collection of stories, from which only some of them might be based on a true event.
Ceberuss 1 year ago
Of corse, those who say, "Change the meaning" do so because they have previosly given it a meaning which is not from God, but rather from their own greedineses.
Weesnauh 1 year ago
@Weesnauh
The point is, when so many denominations cannot agree what the Bible says, how can anyone believe in any of them? Who has the authority to say "my interpretation is the only correct one"? Well, I suppose God himself (not some prophet) should walk down here and finally set his story straight - how probable is that to happen?
Ceberuss 1 year ago
@Ceberuss 2011 years ago He did. He even told some prophets 500 years earlier what He would do. When He was 33 He ran into the same problems, people who pretend to follow the law but do so to look all high & mighty to men. In short they up and killed Him, but of coarse this was the plan. If you want the correct interpretation, then you must know that the whole of or none of the bible is true, you must not add, or take away ANYTHING. You must read it without any intent of personal, earthly, gain.
Weesnauh 1 year ago
@Weesnauh
Do you realize, that the Bible wasn't initially written in English and that it was put together by people who decided what should or shouldn't be in it? Something might be added or missing. So you don't know if you have a completely correct book, you don't know if it was translated correctly, and on top of that you don't know if you interpret it correctly - yet some believers will still call their interpretations as "word of God" that is undoubtedly true.
Ceberuss 1 year ago
The Hebrew Aramaic & Greek texts were translated by monks to Latin in the later Roman & middle ages. These monks could be removed from the monastery or killed if they got one thing wrong. The monks were also very learned in the scriptures, and were greatly concerned with translating meaning (which is greater than words). Original to Latin translations were made many times by monks of different lands, and generations, throughout these hundreds of years: and guess what, they all mach-up perfectly.
Weesnauh 1 year ago
@Weesnauh Who made the copies up to that point?More monks with checks and balances to pressure perfection? Who wrote down the text to begin with? What actual existing balance caused what they wrote to be a perfect representation of the situation? Did you know the "Dead Sea scrolls" are dated to a time far beyond the textual context (when the text was supposed to have happened & to have been written down)? who copied that?
EreinionGilgalad 1 year ago
'Tis the nature of 6/14 dating to be able to date, only to the time of death, of a once- living organism. The reliability of the results goes down, as the age of the sample goes up. Only readings of under 2,000 years are reliable (providing that the amount of 6/14 in the atmosphere has always been that which it is today).
Weesnauh 1 year ago
Q: What makes money objectively valuable?
A: The only thing that makes money worth anything is the worth that we all agree it has. If we all at once agree that the $USD is meaningless, than that will have a lot of useless bank notes. When I decide $ is meaningless, I will be alone on that.
The same holds for the value of life. Society has come to an unconscious consensus that life should not be discouraged.
wilfredthebold 2 years ago
@wilfredthebold
What about food & water?
RPFS2008 2 years ago
@RPFS2008
I'm in favor of them.
Seriously though, what gives these things value is that we need them to survive, not that they have some intrinsic value. That's why a thirsty man will pay (or do) more for water, while a well-hydrated man can pass up a free bottle. If it had worth independent of his need, he'd be obliged to take it.
wilfredthebold 2 years ago
@wilfredthebold >> "life should not be discouraged"
Well, if we did, it would end up pretty nasty. :-) Unfortunately some theists think, that atheists essentially say "life is random and meaningless, why to bother". But what's even more surprising is, that some of the theist's view can be interpreted like that: "life on Earth is meaningless suffering, just accept Jesus/Allah/whatever, and after these insignificant couple of years on Earth you get eternal joy".
Ceberuss 1 year ago
Wow. Okay first off I love your videos, you make good arguments and you speak intelligently which make's people take you seriously. Secondly no matter how well you speak or how good your arguments are how can you expect people to listen to you speak when your looking so cute with your messy hair ans superman t-shirt!? I swear I missed half of you arguments.
tarinacj03 2 years ago
Youre vocabulary is prestige, you could own anyone in an argument.
guitarkd93 2 years ago 2
I wonder what his everyday life is like.Does he go around thinking everything objectively?Because that sounds a little boring. :/
gigagilgamesh9 2 years ago
As much as I love your videos, it's really hard to pay attention when you're playing with what sounds like a cereal bowl in your superman shirt and messy hair... (i mean that in the nicest way) you're so adorable.
I have to restart this so I can actually listen because I haven't heard a word you've said. :)
dvnleigh 2 years ago
TheoreticalBullshit
A very nice display of logic, and a very astute job in pointing out the rhetorical and fallacious nature of the question.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 years ago 19
Bro, you're that good-look'n when you get up! Mannnn! (I say that in a totally respectful g0y'esque way).
BTW: (g0ys is spelled with a zero if you want to G00GLE the term.)
g0yz 3 years ago
belt buckle
skate4dc4 3 years ago
There's no such thing as a "sperm-drop". There are drops of semen, which contain sperm, which are simply very tiny organisms. Let's try to pay attention to the language we've all agreed on.
mikech78 3 years ago 4
you owned him
dpsadin 3 years ago 2
I wish I would've seen this video before a christian decided to lunge this moronic attack at me. This so-called "friend" said that since I'm atheist, and believe we evolved from animals, etc, "perhaps you should rape women to gain dominance in the world, since you have no God to put value on us, what value is there?" What a nasty, unloving, disgusting attack. Watching your videos give me hope and support to keep going. Thank you so much! <3
p3rdyp1nkr0ses 3 years ago 3
I thought you were saying that YOU thought life had no value.
If you meant, "what MAKES life valuable" was improper because it assumes SOMEONE, i.e. god, GAVE it value, then I see your point there. But, later at 2:30 you sound like you don't think there is an Objective definition of value. Below I respond to that and give an example of an Objective definition of value. I noticed a couple of typos in my comment below. Looking forward to your response.
djangothecat 3 years ago
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Just so you know, I am an Atheist but I disagree with this video and most of the comments. MY life is EXTREMELY valuable and my values stem from that fact. 2nd, who says there needs to be a 'value maker?' god didn't make happiness but it exists. god didn't make beauty, but there is beauty. LIFE is the most valuable thing to ANY living being. R U saying that if we lived forever that life WOULD be valuable but if we don't then it's not? Because we DONT' live forever every moment is priceless.
djangothecat 3 years ago
You missed the point of the video.
TheoreticalBullshit 3 years ago 38
Are you saying there is NO Objective definition of value? Example: Food is of value to humans and other creatures that NEED food to survive. That is an Objective value. Lets see a someone try going without food and prove that the need of food is Subjective. Values presupposes an answer to the question: of value to whom and for what? -(Rand) Whenever there is a goal, there are things objectively valuable to the achievement of it. Goals such as life, a job, a skill, paying rent, etc. Agree? Not?
djangothecat 3 years ago
please look up the definition of objective and subjective. even everybody shared the same opinion (oranges are tasty) does not make that opinion objectively true. so it doesn't matter if everyone considers their life valuable, that doesn't make it objectively valuable.
food is only objectively valuable in the biological sense where food serves the purpose of keeping the organism alive.
but the phrase "objective value" is non-applicable to life, because there is no objective purpose for it.
fotorobot 3 years ago
@TheoreticalBullshit You're surprised that a theist missed the point? lol
seskie 1 year ago
yes, i am sure your life is EXTREMELY valuable... TO YOU and your loved ones, thereby making it a subjective value.
objective and subjective, for the record, have no relationship to how strongly you feel about something or how many others share that opinion.
the 2 examples you give: happiness and beauty - happiness is mostly subjective (can be pseudo-objective if you wish to count the serotonin in the brain) and beauty is extremely subjective.
fotorobot 3 years ago
All truth is subjective!
JoeChrisMorris 3 years ago
Except of course for the statement that all truth is subjective. THAT statement is objective. Right?
*rolls eyes*
DJMattB241 3 years ago
Hey!
JoeChrisMorris 3 years ago
And math.
Math is objective.
pyroclasm32 3 years ago
ce n'est pas my fickle friend saying there is a giraffe on my head (if there truly was) would be objective because there was actually physically a giraffe on my head
IIIIFile13IIII 3 years ago
We need more reasonable, logical videos like this...you have a lot to offer and I appreciate your efforts, TB.
Peace...
terri22221 3 years ago
you are a smart guy my friend
alexvikefan 3 years ago
maybe we don't have a purpose, is having one really essential to our existence?
ScreamingNinja47 4 years ago 2
It's so hard for people to grasp that idea, but it's the truth. The same way that other animals don't have a "purpose", it's arrogant to think that we somehow do
Respectab13 4 years ago 3
Great response, exactly my thoughts on the questions! 5 stars.
mattb521 4 years ago 2
Excellent.
museumoftechno 4 years ago
Why don't you value human life without thinking your being monitored and will be rewarded? That seems like a crappy way of "valuing" human life in the first place.
skedaddleMLS 4 years ago
Nice! It's very frustrating having to explain the simplest details to theists sometimes.
Antichrist4Life 4 years ago 2
you need to hold seminars!
top2d2 4 years ago
Wow. I may be drunk on cheap cabernet at the moment but... A male mind interested in complex debate AND he's adorable? Keep the thoughts flowing my friend.
direct45 4 years ago
Good vid.
When I read that charlietcc guys comments I kept visualizing a 3 year old runing around screaming "NO.... NO.... NO..... I can't hear you, nana nana boo boo"
Djcandymann 4 years ago 2
seemingly impossible questions (impossible, of course, being subjective hehe).. but brilliant answer. To say that there would be objective evidentiary support for "what makes life valuable" is completely oxymoronic as it applies to atheism. You worded it without offense and proved your point effectively. Very diplomatic. Touche!
pinkumbrella1414 4 years ago
what a smart young man .. nice job in your response
MasterMark123 4 years ago
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dude, take a shower. ponder about your answer before you give it...
pitigam 4 years ago
Not sure what this means.... do I smell? Do I seem like I didn't think this through?
TheoreticalBullshit 4 years ago 16
@TheoreticalBullshit yes you do smell, its pungent and i can't stand it, my god that smell is so powerful its actually traveling THROUGH the internet ( and time apparently) and is disgusting me. No but seriously love the vids they certainly give me something to think about without being...harsh, like say thunderfoot's videos...I'm assuming you know who thunderfoot is. Hope you keep making them, keep being cool, and take a goddamn shower you hippie.
justdidthistocommen1 8 months ago
@pitigam You obviously didn't. That was the best thought-through answer you could find idiot.
GalakFyarr 1 year ago
That was a very honest answer!
VengefulGlory 4 years ago
Brilliant and subscribed. By the way you make a great Ninja
Fringe111 4 years ago
How did you find out I was a NINJA?!?!?!?!
.....Oh, you're good. You're very good. I'll play your game... for now.
TheoreticalBullshit 4 years ago 8
lol
Fringe111 4 years ago
What he said.
Donweary 4 years ago
well put.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Very well put, theoreticalbullshit! Although I doubt it will help anyone see reason.
freakshow10 4 years ago
The evidence in the comments is suggesting you´re not far wrong with that premise!!!
Judelicious1971 4 years ago
Seconded.
Naphra 4 years ago
amazing vid.
steelejk 4 years ago
Ok... You're extremely intelligent. I like what I'm seeing.
However, speaking as an agnostic and devil's advocate on the issue, I'd like to point this out:
You pointed out that the question was faulty and basically said that life has no value real value.
Well, in doing so, you revealed that you consider the value of human life to be completely subjective.
My question: If that's the case, were Hitler's actions in WWII justified?
Feel free to message me your answer.
TheGospelOfRob 4 years ago
By Hitler? Sure. He assigned his own purpose and meaning to his own life.
His life has no purpose intrinsically, the cosmos has no take on the meaning of Hitler´s life.
Judelicious1971 4 years ago
So essentially, the only thing Hitler did wrong was lose the war.
charlietcc 4 years ago
I would imagine that Hitler was extremely disappointed he lost the war which may have contributed to him taking his life.
Judelicious1971 4 years ago
So in your opinion, horrible things like torture, rape, racism and murder are justified?
TheGospelOfRob 4 years ago
If that statement was directed at me, what kind of deductive reasoning could possibly lead you to believe that torture and rape etc are justified?
I could argue for a utilitarian standpoint that murder is justified. I could argue from a military standpoint that torture could be justified.
There are no moral absolutes. But that has NOTHING to do with this argument which remains "What is the meaning of life"
I hear no answers...
Judelicious1971 4 years ago
It has very much to do with this argument. One could logically assume that if life other human life has no real value whatsoever, then it's expendable and one should feel no remorse expending it. If we are no more than a herd of cattle, what's wrong with with killing others for the betterment of yourself?
You seem to think there's nothing wrong with that, and well.. I can't argue with you if that's the case... But that is an awefully unpopular stance.
TheGospelOfRob 4 years ago
"Value of life" and "morals" are two different things. If you want to get technical, we know it's wrong to kill other people (for any reason other than self-defense), because that's simply a MORAL our parents taught us. If you grew up in a cave, you might otherwise think it's ok to kill people. What does this have to do with god? Absolutely nothing. Stop trying to make nonsensical connections.
siciliano29 4 years ago
"we know it's wrong to kill other people...because that's simply a MORAL our parents taught us."
Hey Scott: how come this guy doesn't scare you?
charlietcc 4 years ago
The statement "Life has no instrinsic value"
and the statement "Life is expendable" do not follow logically.
Judelicious1971 4 years ago
Sure they do. If something isn't of any value, it's completely expendable.
TheGospelOfRob 4 years ago
Tell me the meaning of life then, let´s see if we can agree...
Judelicious1971 4 years ago
"what kind of deductive reasoning..."
P1: Life has no value beyond that which we assign to it.
P2: Since there is no God, justice is determined by those who have the power to enforce it.
P3: The enforcers assign to your life whatever value they deem appropriate.
C: Anything the enforcers do to you is justified, including rape or murder.
QED :)
charlietcc 4 years ago
No, P2 and C contradict P1. If there is no objective or absolute moral justification or justice, then you cannot conclude that what the powerful do to the weak is justified.
Moreover, implicit in P2 is that you think a god somehow makes morality objective, when it is quite obvious it does not. Euthyphro's dilemma, and the is-ought problem, and all that jazz.
AdHocRationalizing 4 years ago 2
are you ABSOLUTLY sure about that??
TheIDCBear 3 years ago
"I would imagine that Hitler was extremely disappointed..."
You really think I can't see you deliberately missing the point?
charlietcc 4 years ago
sure you can answer it...the answer is nothing...seriously there was no trick. Im genuinely interested to hear what people have to say. Of course I expected that many would saying 'nothing' but you of course had to read into the question this stuff about it not being applicable. its a valid question w/ a simple answer.Man your vid could have been 10sec long but nooo...good stuff by the way :)
TogetherForPeace 4 years ago
LOL.... eh, what can I say. I talk alot.
TheoreticalBullshit 4 years ago
To TogetherForPeace:
"but you of course had to read into the question this stuff about it not being applicable. its a valid question w/ a simple answer."
Nopes. Don't have to "read into it". The question is not valid. I had a similar reaction that TBS had. A subjective question does not have an objective answer. It's a trap question (taken as given).
jinitron 4 years ago
he did answer it though, he said no, there's no objective value because humans are subjective animals
and he was right to say you started with a question that was more geared to a theistic world view, which isn't surprising of course since you're a theist
but it's good you're making a genuine attempt to understand, asking questions is something that i think should be practice more often among believers and non-believers ^_^