9/11 - NEW EXPLOSION EYE-WITNESSES!!!!

[Kyles45Angel]

This is a great video. I have been trying to expline this to truthers for years and it is no use. It's like the "pull it" comment by Silverstein. You can point out to them what he said exactly which was "they decided" and it changes to I or He. 9-11 trooth has become soemthing of a religion or cult based on what they believe rather than what is real. Anyway...nice job on the video.

[djundadawg]

Really?!

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@djundadawg

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Really what?

[igykalen]

I honestly believe that all tornado's are really just freight trains. Just don't know why there is such a huge cover up about this.

[mikejpete]

The problem with the comments on this video is that on both sides they are far too snarky and emotionally charged. I question the context of underground explosions from gas valves being compared police detaining vans packed with explosive devices on the George Washington Bridge. You should perhaps mention the earthquake and explosions mentioned before the planes even hit. And your reference to no injuries associated with explosives is fallacious. A face was blown off, a car blew someone across

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@mikejpete

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"You should perhaps mention the earthquake and explosions mentioned before the planes even hit"

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Only Willy Rodriguez has claimed this, only after several years. He even tried to sue the government with a law suit for just about every conspiracy claim under the sun and didn't initially include this claim.

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"your reference to no injuries associated with explosives is fallacious"

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No it isn't, "blast injuries" are well understood and common in every other bombing, as I said

[mikejpete]

@TheSkepticalIdealist youtube(dot)com/watch?v=NX_UKd­qoa_o&feature=related

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@mikejpete

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Your link doesnt seem to work, what is the title of the video?

[warlord2080]

Since i was on a mobile phone I was replying to thisisyourwakeup and many others like him. He said

"you are not much of an idealist. This channel is run by a shill."

[warlord2080]

Yes when people talk about what you believe to be true call them a shill. Freedom of speech are only for good patriots if no one believes call them a moron without even providing evidence... it will turn out to be true in the long run...(in the mind of the person two comments below me)

[NWODisinfoAgent]

It all depends what your mission is. Do you want to be accepted in the skeptic community by being proper, and not having strong beliefs? Or do you actually care about waking these bitches up and showing them how dumb they are.....Your choice.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@NWODisinfoAgent

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""explosions don't necessarily mean bombs" isn't good enough to these guys."

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People hearing explosions CAN point to bombs, but it can also point to a hundred other things which is the point. If a truther is so far gone they miss the entire point of the video and focus on that one line then interprete it to mean "explosions always equals bombs" then I don't think they are the kind of person capable of changing their minds.

[NWODisinfoAgent]

This video has too many facts for truthers, the only way they will listen to skeptics is if you are just as strong as they are on the opposite side of the spectrum. "explosions don't necessarily mean bombs" isn't good enough to these guys. It's too defensive, and makes them think they are still winning.

I'd say

"Almost every building fire with explosions heard, involved nothing to do with explosive devices themselves. Why would 911 be any different? It wouldn't, and that's the point"

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@NWODisinfoAgent -

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I'd say

"Almost every building fire with explosions heard, involved nothing to do with explosive devices themselves. Why would 911 be any different? It wouldn't, and that's the point"

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Thats the same point isn't it? I think when I said that people talk about explosions, blasts and "sounding like bombs" even when they know they arent refering to bombs says enough.

[kushsmokkeralt]

@NeverOwned There is no evidence of an inside job moron, that's why skeptics are always right, and the only thing you can do is try and "discredit" us somehow without picking out what you really thought was wrong with the specific point. If the video said 1+1=2 you still would have said it smelled like shit lol That's why you guys are idiots.

[NeverOwned]

“If it looks like shit, smells like shit, and feels like shit, you don't have to actually eat it to know it's shit.”

SkepticIdealist youre just another jrefer with too much time on his hands.

Did you even look for a job today?

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@NeverOwned

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Care to comment on actual video or you just lookin for a block?

[kushsmokkeralt]

@NeverOwned Actually, if you do some simple google research big explosions in fire are common, I'm not quite to sure on the "shit" you talk of.

google: Explosions as firefighters tackle fire at Falmouth Docks

"Then there was some massive, massive explosions and we saw a big raging fire on top of these canisters," he told the BBC"

google: Winter Haven Fire Claims 3 Homes

"We ran out of water, we waited for more water. Then started attacking the explosions... We have multiple explosions..."

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@kushsmokkeralt

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Thats exactly the point I argued in the video with my own examples, apparently this person didn't watch it or isn't phased when he is directly proven wrong.

[NeverOwned]

@kushsmokkeralt

Why do i need to google search, pot smoker?

I was there!

I seen and heard all i need to believe , "bud".

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@NeverOwned

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So the fact that no videos capture these demolition charges when all this steel flinging was meant to be happening (according to Gage and co.) The fact that reports of molten metal and even molten steel is common and fully expected in building fires, the fact that all the time people talk about explosions, blasts and sounding like bombs to refer to things that they already know arent bombs, doesn't mean anything to you?

[theBartone9119]

@NeverOwned I smoke pot too , 1+1=2

I guess that's wrong because I smoke weed.

It would have sucked to be your math partner....

[theBartone9119]

@NeverOwned And if you were there, that means you heard explosions, not bombs.

[kushsmokkeralt]

@NeverOwned so unless you google the countless cases of fires causing explosions, and find out were were lying, then you have NO reason to NOT believe it. SIMPLE google research can confirm every case in this video is true. If I'm lying, google the cases, print screen it, email me the picture of you getting no results then I'll SHUT UP. But I KNOW every story checks out, because I've done the research. (you obviously don't research, google is simple) You'r name is wrong by the way ;)

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@kushsmokkeralt

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"SIMPLE google research can confirm every case in this video is true. If I'm lying, google the cases"-

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Actually I provide the links to each of the 3 cases in the video in the description as I say in the annotations so there's no excuse for someone claiming they can't find it :D

[SAYYOURROSARY]

Google EMT CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE and read her story

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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Deshore describes things that we literally know did not happen, we have dozens of videos all the way around the WTC of the collapses including various ones close up and none look anything like what she describes. In such an extreme situation peoples memories get clouded, because otherwise her memory is correct and all the videos have been faked.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

@TheSkepticalIdealist I saw flashes first yellow then red . they popped all the way around the building.

It was like a belts going off first going up then down . Then that building started to come down .

It was like when they demo a building . Deshore is a american hero willing to tell the truth .

She retired right there on the spot . I hope she is O.K. God Bless her

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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So you think all the videos are faked then?

[SAYYOURROSARY]

@TheSkepticalIdealist No just the ones the FBI knows were broadcast from CNN where the Army Psyops

Agents had been working since March 2001 (N.Y. Times )

The "airplane" strike videos are all faked ...................yes 100%

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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lol, so you are a no planer, people so crazy even Alex Jones hates you. Right... So they faked the plane crashes and removed all the deafening explosion sounds from every video of the collapse, and made it look 100% different from what Deshore said it looked like. They sure are smart these conspirators!

[SAYYOURROSARY]

@TheSkepticalIdealist You either have a agenda (shill) ( how could anyone be so stupid to believe the Mac Daddy of all buidings could fall down like that ignoring all the obvious Physics mistakes" that took place ) Or you are military trying to justify what you did or are doing OR you are cop and don't want to think it's posible you are the bad guy .

either way you have exposed yourself now . Your opinion means nothing .

i bet you believe chemtrails are contrails ?

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

-"how could anyone be so stupid ... ignoring all the obvious Physics mistakes" that took place"

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You just described most of the worlds scientists and engineers. You don't realise just how small and fringe your support is do you? No planers are even smaller, Gage even kicked one out of his group. AE911 has just under 1,500 architects and engineers on his list, from all over the world since 2006, dept of labour shows 17,000 engineers are newly credentialed every YEAR in the US

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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"either way you have exposed yourself now"-

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Becuase you say so... you still didn't answer the question, do you believe that all videos of the collapses were faked to look absolutely nothing like what Deshore described? You can't have it both ways.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

@TheSkepticalIdealist They looked exactly like EMS Captain Karin Deshore said . You can see what she said at my channel in the comments section . But it's better to read all the 138 1st responders who said there massive expolsions that took the wind out of them . (the huge underground explosion that had people bouncing off the ground . Where the street split open and belched fire . or where the strange orange light sucked the air out of her lungs after being blown 60 ft ? IDK

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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"They looked exactly like EMS Captain Karin Deshore"

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Show me a single video that looked like what she said it looked like. Show me the "FLASH JUST KEPT POPPIN ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING" and "RED FLASH CAME OUT OF THE BUILDING" and "GO ALL AROUND THE BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES" and ..."EXPLOSIONS WERE GETTING BIGGER, GOING BOTH UP AND DOWN AND THEN ALL AROUND THE BUILDING" ... sorry.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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"(the huge underground explosion that had people bouncing off the ground "-

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Lies. Only a single person says that and thats William Rodriguez, who only started talking about that YEARS later, he tried suing the government for various conspiracy theories but also didn't include these claims, they aren't backed up by ANYONE that was with him, not even people that were BELOW HIM in the same building. Also watch my video on 911 explosion witness', then come back and explain.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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"But it's better to read all the 138 1st responders"-

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And btw Ive asked you many times now, why do no 911 firefighters agree with you about WTC7? why do any of them that has talked about it (dozens and dozens) directly disagree and contradict what truthers claim about it? If you think they think they heard explosives, why aren't they truthers? Because you take them all out of context which is precisely what this video you commented addresses which you have ignored!

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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"EMS Captain Karin Deshore"-

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Oh and one more thing... try looking up some videos of what a transformer looks lke when it exploads. Lots of things can explode, lots of things create loud bangs. Watch this video again until it sinks into that thick brain of yours.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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"They looked exactly like EMS Captain Karin Deshore said "-

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Still waiting for a video that shows it looking like that, are you trying to find one or have you given up?

[leftysergeant]

@SAYYOURROSARY Ermm...Deshore didn't say anything about the street splitting open or an orange light sucking the air out of her lungs. Of course, the turbidity flow could have done that to her when it hit. And Deshore actually debunks what Ondrovic said about "someone setting off explosions by remote control." As for what the tower looked like when it collapsed, she couldn't see very clearly at the time because her eyes were full of debris. Do read her oral history statement.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

@leftysergeant No she just talked about a strange orange light and the lack of air . Read the whole transcript not just the highlights .

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@SAYYOURROSARY

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I'm still waiting for a single video that shows anything like what Deshore says she saw. Tick tock

[UTubeFreeMind]

Explosives are what demolition crews or miners use. Illicit uses or discrete packages are generally referred to as bombs. There were enough eyewitnesses that were lifted vertically off the floor at there location in the lobby. The shattered lobby, 70+ floors away from the action. You cant ignore the seismic events either that were not caused by the self pulversing building. The government has shut down whistleblowers and military evidence at every step possible. Hitler would be proud of bush

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@UTubeFreeMind

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"Explosives are what demolition crews or miners use.  Illicit uses or discrete packages are generally referred to as bombs."

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Lol, no... all bombs are explosives but not all explosives are bombs, the same way all ducks are birds but not all birds are ducks.

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"There were enough eyewitnesses that were lifted vertically off the floor at there location in the lobby. Th"-

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Yet no one suffered any injuries associated with explosives.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@TheSkepticalIdealist

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"There were enough eyewitnesses that were lifted vertically off the floor at there location in the lobby. "-

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And for your information, there was only one guy who said that, Willy Rodriguez, who only started talking about that years afterwards and no one else backs him up at all. There were even people BELOW him that didn't report what would have been an even more extreme explosion had it happened, but they don't.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@UTubeFreeMind

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"You cant ignore the seismic events either "

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You mean the complete LACK of any seismic evidence to show bombs went off? There was a big truther fail a few years ago when they misread the data and thought it said something it didn't, you're probably refering to that. You still ignore the fact that we have no video of any explosions when all this steel flinging and pulverising is meant to be occuring. There really is no answer for that, I know.

[UTubeFreeMind]

Maybe the bombs were explosives and that is why there is military grade nano-thermite in the wtc dust samples. Almost the same as the military signature anthrax which was also not investigated, just speculated and brushed aside by the media machine. It is also convenient that the worlds greatest military machine let so many of its soldiers die in IRAQ when they KNEW all along that OBL was in Pakistan and from Day 1 the yanks have been funding the Terrorists in pakistan, directly or indirectly.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@UTubeFreeMind

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"Maybe the bombs were explosives"-

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uh,.. ALL bombs are explosives.

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"and that is why there is military grade nano-thermite in the wtc dust samples"

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But the research is so bad it can't get published in any legitmiate journal... And as I said in the video which you obviously didn't read, was that nano thermite is not an explosive but even if it was you can't have a quiet yet intense explosives its a physical impossibility, a contradiction in terms, hence the title.

[JeansNSneakers]

uhm.. you just typed this on Google Translate, and clicked the 'listen' button.. It's the same guy, telling this nonsense.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@JeansNSneakers

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...huh? What are you talking about? I didn't use Google Translate to get the voice and I don't know what you think I was translating. I would also like to know what exactly you think is nonsense in what was said in the video. People use the words explosion, blast and even bomb to refer to things that arent bombs or explosives all the time, FACT. No one has been shown to have sustained any blast injuries on 911, FACT. Nonsence apparently means stating facts to you.

[Sandberg1972]

U're right, sounds of explosions can be caused by a multitude of things, including charges and all kinds of explosives that can be used to demolish structures in a controlled manner.

The sounds of explosions that so many people heard on 9/11 is not proof by itself, but just an extra indication that these 3 structures were demolished in a controlled manner, you just need te look at all the various vids and have some knowledge of basic physics and chemistry. And maybe a little history too.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Sandberg1972

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"The sounds of explosions ... not proof by itself..just an extra indication"-

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Actually what truthers are calling explosion witness' is evidence AGAINST it being bombs. Can you guess why? Because no one suffered any blast injuries, yet as I said this is common in every other bombing. Fire balls is not a characteristic of a high explosive, nor is burns. And when all this steel fling and pulversing is meant to be happening NO detonations are found on video.

[ISamuelII]

Nobody in the basement levels had their ankles damaged from the floor blasted up into their weight.

Completely misleading title you have their troll.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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"Nobody in the basement levels had their ankles damaged from the floor blasted up into their weight.

Completely misleading title you have their troll.

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What are you refering to?

[ISamuelII]

@TheSkepticalIdealist You are unaware of the details the many witnesses have spoken, like most that are not interested in seeing justice done for those killed. A majority of the workers in the basement levels had their ankles damaged or broken by a blast from below. Try and tell me a plane impacting way up in the tower did that to them.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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"A majority of the workers in the basement levels had their ankles damaged or broken by a blast from below. Try and tell me a plane impacting way up in the tower did that to them."-

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The only person I know of that claims bombs were in the basements is Willy Rodriguez. No one in the other tower repoprted anything like that nor any of the people with him, not even people that were BELOW Willy. Would you mind telling me also why no one suffered any blast injuries?

[ISamuelII]

@TheSkepticalIdealist you have not looked too far then because everyone leaving the basement areas said the same thing. One blast after the next as they tried to get out. Marlene Cruz and those that helped her, is what I suggest you go look for what they all had to say.

Are you one that buys into 19 lone nuts with mideastern names taking over four planes? The FBI says those were all stolen IDs.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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"everyone leaving the basement areas said the same thing"

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No they do not, no one backs up what Willy Rodriguez says. No one denies that there were explosions, but they were fuel air exolosions from jet fuel. Marlene Cruz said she was right next to an explosion in the elevator, but she didn;t have any blast injuries. Others were severely burt by explosions, but no blast injuries. Fire is not a characteristic of a high explosive.

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Source?

[ISamuelII]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Funny how so much fuel is supposed to have done all that damage when it mostly burned up on the initial impact.

Stolen ID source, the FBI.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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"Stolen ID source, the FBI"

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Don't be smart, a specific source. I just googled it and found ..."Testimony of John S. Pistole, Assistant Director, Counterterrorism Division, FBI Before the House Select Committee on Homeland Security" which is ON The FBI website - who said.... "While the 9/11 hijackers did not utilize fraudulent identification, they did obtain US identification cards in their true names."

[ISamuelII]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Me smart, you are the one with the misleading title. Why is it some people have no use for justice? Gangsterism deeply set in your profits?

The lobby was desrtoyed before anything came down with demolitions. Wonders if your source was the one stopping field agents from doing their jobs.

I'll just leave you with that, you are not worth the time sputnik.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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"The lobby was desrtoyed before anything came down with demolitions. "-

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That is a belief of truthers, yes. Why is you you think explosives can destroy heavy building materials but not even cause peoples ear drums to rupture? Why do truthers not understand how explosives work?

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"Wonders if your source was the one stopping field agents from doing their jobs."-

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Uh huh... you claimed that the FBI said that the terrorists had all had stolen ID's. Stop lying

[ISamuelII]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Those french brothers have it on their recordings, have you not looked at them.

Seems like you are just taking talking points with out using your own eyes.

There are many FBI notes and a lot contradict each other sputnik. Troll on

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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"hose french brothers have it on their recordings, have you not looked at them."-

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The Naudet Bros? Please be specific, please tell me exactly where to find the evidence of the massive explosions before either towers collapsed. Oh and you still have the problem of no one having injuries consistent with explisives. KInd of annoying that I know. Human bodies are much more fragile than buildings.

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"FBI notes and a lot contradict each other"

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Fine, show me one. I know you wont.

[Oz1976]

@ISamuelII um...the naudet footage "explosions" from when Jules is inside with Chief Pfeiffer are BODIES hitting the canopy and overhangs. They even say so, as do the firefighters, in the Naudet documentary. I just watched the entire thing yesterday, nowhere do they say "bombs". None.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Oz1976

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"I just watched the entire thing yesterday, nowhere do they say "bombs". None. "-

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Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I guess it doesn't matter to Samuell, he wants to believe they are bombs so thats good enough for him!

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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-"you are the one with the misleading title. "

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Aww did it upset you that it wasn't a fallacious video from truthers that equate every mention of the word explosion they can find on 911 to bomb? The point of the title is tounge in cheeck, so what if people heard explosions? We expect people to hear explosions, its common. What isn't commoon in building fires is people suffering from blast injury which is common in every other bombing. On 911 no one had any. FACT.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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"Funny how so much fuel is supposed to have done all that damage "-

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Look up fuel air explosion, it happens. The fact remains that no blast injuries means no bomb. - FACT. There is also the fact that truthers can't figure out that some reports of damage to the lobby was AFTER the first tower fell.

[AlienEntity1]

Well done. It is really valuable to compare the WTC collapses to other non-controlled demolition events.

A bit of context and perspective is necessary for understanding complex subjects.

I'll create a link on JREF.

[godzilla1077]

I was a witness to an explosion myself. It was in an underground metro train station here in Chicago. Before the explosion it was just a small fire caused by paper debris sitting near the heaters for the rails. Then I saw sparks, then a loud explosion and fireball that lit up the tunnel and made a bunch of people walk away. But my ear drums were fine. A lot of smoke though.

[djmashup2009]

Good channel. I wish you worked with the idiots I work with, I'm absolutely tired of listening to their stupid ass conspiracy theories.

[Pygar2]

I understand there were power transformers in the buildings... I've been near one of them when it went off. It sounded "just like a bomb" and even generated a black mushroom cloud.

[ScottishAtheist]

lol, at first I thought this pro 9/11 conspiracy video, and was about to get my rage face on.

Good video. Truthers love to quote mine, and seem to have no idea what similes are.

[stbays]

Interesting video. Shame it probably won't get through to many "Truthers". Oh well, good work.

My only complaint is the use of a computer voice instead of a real voice, but that doesn't take away from the message of the video.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@stbays

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hey, yes the computer voice is because I don't have a good enough microphone and figured a computer voice was better than no voice.

[stbays]

@TheSkepticalIdealist

I completely understand. It wasn't meant to be a major complaint. I really do feel the message is what matters most and that got through with no problems.

I've been trying to get this very same message through to Truthers for some time now. They just can't seem to be reasoned with.  Oh well.

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist I was nodding my head agreeing with the video until I saw the tower in fire and remembered it did not collapsed due to fire, though it was on flames all day long.

If you wan't to convince some people who don't understand physics of the government story, replace the text and instead of saying "in case it should collapse" say "before it collapsed", pretty sure most people won't actually go and try to find out if it did or not collapsed. And obviously remove this video quick!

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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"I was nodding my head agreeing with the video until I saw the tower in fire and remembered it did not collapsed due to fire, though it was on flames all day long."

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What you posted was another truther myth, this video deals with the claim that every time someone says explosion they mean bomb. The Winsdor tower was reinforced concrete and had a concrete core FYI the steel did collapse.

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist You are giving your self away with generalizations, if you want to fool people instead of saying "every time someone says explosion they mean bomb" say something like: Although people heard what it sounded like sequential detonations usually heard in demolitions, it was by fact an unfortunate coincidence of office equipment exploding due to the plain fuel that inundated all the floors" or something like that... make it sound like you need a college degree to contradict it!

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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"You are giving your self away ..if you want to fool people g ...make it sound like you need a college degree to contradict it!"

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What on earth are you going on about?? I honestly have no idea. The fact is that truthers seem to think that every time someone says explosion they had to have experienced a bomb, ignoring the fact that people talk about explosions and even bombs and blasts to refer to things that arent bombs all the time. What problem do you have with the video?

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist I think there are two kinds of people on each side of the argument of 911, to make an analogy: Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson

Watson is described as a remarkably well educated individual, but somehow Sherlock Holmes just get it, he can feet all the clues on his head and solve the mystery.

On an arrogant note, I'm a Sherlock for 911, and I just enjoy seeing the propaganda on eater side to see what would make someone tip over. So you are on a side making your props, its nice.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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"On an arrogant note, I'm a Sherlock for 911, and I just enjoy seeing the propaganda on eater side to see what would make someone tip over. So you are on a side making your props, its nice."

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... You done?Do you have any actual comments on the subject of this video or just want to stroke your own ego for some reason by telling yourself you're some kind of amazing investigator? I wonder if Sherlock Holmes would have got the facts about the Windsor tower fire wrong like you, hmm

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Ok useful then. You say "911 thruters refer to any explosion as a bomb" on that sentence you use the generalization "thruter" witch shows your outside influence, witch means you belong sentimentally to a dogma you don't want to see crushed, might be reliance on the government or humanity, It does not help your video's credibility, and it prevents you from associating evidence like that burning tower in the opposite direction where it belongs. Be realistic.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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Its truther, not thruter. Secondly.... what you said here... "you use the generalization "thruter" witch shows your outside influence, witch means you belong sentimentally to a dogma you don't want to see crushed, might be reliance on the government or humanity, " .... sounds like word salad, I can't understand you. Either you;re a troll or you're insane, if not please talk like a normal person or go away.

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Can't spell things out in youtube...

Find out what a "paradigm" means then ask yourself "in witch one are you" if you can do this and re analyze your political views you will find out many new things.

I think you just might, good luck.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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I know what paradigm means, but none of what you said relates to the video. Do you have a point or what?

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Your video its a straw-man, that presents evidence against your own argument... its funny.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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"Your video its a straw-man, that presents evidence against your own argument... its funny."

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Right so 4 or 5 comments later, do you plan on explaining why you think that? Im getting very bored of you.

[mike4ty4]

@Ramiromasters Care to elaborate that point instead of just making assertions?

[Ramiromasters]

@mike4ty4 The 911 firefighters described hearing bombs in the building, as well people on the street, people inside the building got blown off sideways, some upwards. This added to the fact that a steel and concrete need lots of energy to heat up, basically a pound of red hot steel can burn a pound of wood but not backwards, means that the building could not had fall due to fire. So the straw man is that the 911 real story was based on eye witness, while is just an added bonus.

[mike4ty4]

@Ramiromasters Yet in this video, we see that just because someone *says* X was like an "EXPLOSION" or "BOMB", doesn't mean that's what it was. "sounded like TWO BOMBS going off", but it wasn't a bomb at all, or even an explosion.

[mike4ty4]

@Ramiromasters Here's a question. If you were in a burning building and you heard a loud, booming "BANG" sound, might not you call it an "explosion"? Just because someone calls a sound they heard "explosion" or "bomb" doesn't mean it really _was_ a bomb.

[Ramiromasters]

@mike4ty4 I personally would call it a loud sound, a crashing wall, or a blasting noise, rater than referring it to a rapidly expanding fireball (AKA explosion)...

But that its because I have an extensive eduction, I don't expect the general public to fathom such things.

So I agree with you this video shows mistaking people.

Although someone might argue that an explosion is not necessarily a fire ball, it could be anything expanding rapidly.

[mike4ty4]

@Ramiromasters Well, YOU might not use that term, but that doesn't mean that's how someone else would talk about it. They might indeed call it an explosion, and the point of this video is to show how witnesses to things that did NOT have bombs in them can still talk about "explosions". And how is someone going to know if there's a fire ball or not just from the sound they heard? Which to me, provides more evidence that they did the same thing the people in this video did.

[Ramiromasters]

@mike4ty4 Like I said people do make mistakes, but some of t people who was hit by the walls on the basement of wtc had facial reconstruction... I mean it takes a talented mistaker to do that.

I think the problem is the public is not well educated... I mean why should they? if their job is transportation or management, or economist. There is a guy who did a video on here yt, with simple physics that explain why the wtc couldn't crush it self like an aluminum can. Be aware Its a Pandora box.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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" I personally would call it a loud sound, a crashing wall, or a blasting noise, rater than referring it to a rapidly expanding fireball (AKA explosion)..."

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But as we can see people DO refer to things that are not explosives as sounding like bombs, or "blasts" or "explosions" ALL THE TIME. Also, an explosion doesn't have to mean explosive. Jet fuel vapour cause a "fuel air" explosion, for example, but its not a high explosive either.

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Your argument is an implicit opinion, and a straw man of the main argument of 911.

Standard form:

Since people had confused non-explosion noises with explosions in the past (premise)

and people heard explosions on 911 (premise)

Then people must be confused again (implicit premise)

911 inside job theory is wrong (conclusion)

You have diverted t argument of 911 not addressing the substance of the real argument, witch is a violation of a rebuttal criterion of a good argument.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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"Then people must be confused again (implicit premise)"

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No that is not my argument, my argument is specific. Please watch the entire video. truthers claim that BECAUSE people said the words blast, explosion or bomb that not only did they MEAN an actual bomb but that they coiuldn't have thought they heard something else they were simply calling an explosion. As the video shows, simply because people used those words is NOT ENOUGH.

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist I just pointed out that your argument tho it exposes an interesting fact, by no means can your argument by applied in a cause and effect type of assertion because that would be trying to make an speculative or implicit opinion ride the wave of your exposed fact, and you can't do that... I can't say Gold its found below ground so anyone can dig under their feet and become rich... its a big leap.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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What on earth are you talkling about? What you call a strawman shows you don't even understand what the point of the video is. Look, truthers everywhere that argue for demolition will show you loads of quotes from people on 911 talking about "explosions", they say this is evidence of bombs going off. This, as the video says, IS NONSENSE. We EXPECT people to hear explosions and what they think sounds like bombs. ALSO NO ONE suffered any injuries consistent with explosives.

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist

1. Sound would have to be the last of the reasons why someone would believe 911 was an inside job...

2. For the sound argument, the type of explosions that people heard were described as a "rapid fire, then a huge explosion" So NOT just random explosions, if you watch any video of demolitions hear the sequence A: base columns, B: core column (big explosion)

But let me try a business model, instead of explosive experts, I'll personally demolish skyscrapers using gas! yup

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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" So NOT just random explosions, if you watch any video of demolitions hear the sequence A: base columns, B: core column (big explosion)"

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"It was like two bombs going off, like two explosions". "A scary blast under streets...the whole building shook". If these were quotes from 911 truthers would claim it evidence of bombs. The fact is NO ONE suffered any blast injuries consistent with explosives. The fact is that when the towers fell no explosions are heard on any tape

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist You say "NO ONE suffered blast injuries"

Well what does a blast injury look like? eardrums disrupted?

suppose that this explosives where, just an example, attach to a building column several walls away from you, then wouldn't the explosion blast the walls towards you? wouldn't the sound become of crashing walls?

This is not an arm wrestling between me and you, I'm trying to empower you. Tell me do you trust the government? do you think they do people's will?

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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"Well what does a blast injury look like? eardrums disrupted?"

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Injuries consistent with explosives are well understood. All you have to do is google it. Yes, one of them is ruptured ear drums. Absolutely no one even suffered any ear drum injury, but a lot of people were burned. A low order explosive such as a jet fuel explosion can cause burns, but by its very nature can't cause very much damage. Fire is not a characteristic of a high explosive.

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Eardrums only get damage if the explosion occurs really near, and the degree of damage will also depend on the person, also out of the people injured, only their Doctors know all their medical report, thousands of people also attend demolitions each year. So please don't treat me like a child, holding those child like replies.

Oh and you said it your self Jet fuel does not cause that much damage, yet they claim it demolish t wtc... witch is another child like lie.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

-Eardrums only get damage if the explosion occurs really near, "

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HINT: If you're close enough to be burnt by a high explosive you're probably going to be turned into meat chunks. If you're close enough to be thrown around by a high explosive you're ear drums are going to be screwed. Is it concieveable that all these bombs went off but no one suffered any such injury?

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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"only their Doctors know all their medical report, thousands of people also attend demolitions each "

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There are plenty of reports of the injuries sustained on 911. Truthers even know the indentities of people they claim were caught in an explosive, do they care about finding out if they actually had any blast injuries?

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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"Oh and you said it your self Jet fuel does not cause that much damage, yet they claim it demolish t wtc... witch is another child like lie.

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LOL what is a child like lie is what you just wrote here. This is like saying a match can't start a fire that burns down a house or/and eventually causes backdraft that kills many firefighters (example) because a match itself has very little power.

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist Ok man you can believe whatever you want.

Beard man on a cave very far away and his minions did it. They fool the USAF, their pilots where unbelievable good.

Satellites can pick up water drops on the moon but can't find a whole squad of terrorist on the desert.

911 was not an excuse to take over the middle east oil even tho that is happening right now, WTC manager change the insurance to cover for terrorism one month before cuz he saw it on his crystal ball...

pretty smart!

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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Why cant you deal with the issues? You cannot make an explosive that is both quiet enough to not be picked up on any video tapes while it is also powerfull enough to fling heavy steel around. You have also not explained how its posisble someone can be caught in a blast wave from an explosion yet not sustain any injuries consistent with explosives. Why don't the truth movement care that no one suffered any?

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist OH! I know because super turban man did it!

Yup and those Terrorist who suppose to have died in the crash are alive because their evil God Allah resurrected them!

And GWB was the hero who saved us by sending the military! AMERICA @#$ YEAH!!!

We have to cut down on our social services... but who cares! those poor people on the government are not getting that much reacher, ok they are but its all for AMERICA! @#$#$ YEAH!

Nobody has a problem with 911 report, 100% fact

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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Good job, you're being a great example of why truthers are full of shit. Reply one more time without addressing any of my points which are clearly stated and I'm going to block you for wasting my time,

[Ramiromasters]

@TheSkepticalIdealist But I'm agreeing with you! Crazy beard from a cave did all this! you know! like the Cobra Commander from GI Joe!

And then using black magic Crazy beard hides himself from the infrared scopes from drones flying there 24/7, he uses invisibility!!! and hides all his men too!

And all the money don't go to the weapon manufacturers no! they go for pensions for the ELDER! oh wait... that doesn't happen but AMERICA #@#$ YEAH!

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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Since you obviously want to get blocked I'm going to grant your wish. Sad.

[ISamuelII]

@Ramiromasters "Nobody has a problem with 911 report, 100% fact"

Several of those that signed it have a problem after they realized we have pegged them as coconspirators. Two days it took for the first two to speak up in this regard after we were talking about it at Liberty Forum,,, now of course a defunct web forum.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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"Several of those that signed it have a problem after they realized we have pegged them as coconspirators"-

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What problem do the 911 Commissioners have and which ones are they?

[ISamuelII]

@TheSkepticalIdealist If you must ask you must be new to the truth. Thomas, Keen were the first two, two days after we were talking about them too being defendants. Several more since them.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@ISamuelII

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What is it you think they think about the 911 Commission? All I know is truthers have used a lot of misquotes to pretend they have a problem with the report.

[TheSkepticalIdealist]

@Ramiromasters

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You keep ignoring my question. You claimed my video was a strawman, please expalin what you're talking about.

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You said:

"but some of t people who was hit by the walls on the basement of wtc had facial reconstruction... I mean it takes a talented mistaker to do that."

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People being "hit by wall"s is not a characteristic of high explosives. Go look up what blast injuries actually are. HINT: ear drums are very sensitive