Rare - Alexander Scriabin - Revised Etude Op.8 No.12

[spartan1081990]

i did drugs today, im a worthless piece of shit, this masterpiece reminds me that im human

[gerardbedecarter]

A most interesting version!

[blaxors]

This version is too fruity. Lacks the darkness and depth of the original.

[alfonsomoraza]

I love this version, i think it´s more deep into emotions

[HandyTheXxxX]

Why isn't the last two chords FF? I can barely hear the first one! In the score they are indicated so!

[rgrannell1]

both are really nice pieces...I'm sure if Horowitz had got his hands on this he would have made it sound amazing



[SFsFinest1]

did i comment and give thanks for posting this piece already...if not, many thanks

[Bluetooth6483]

Who is playing here??

[jeanlucchapelon]

Je préfère l'autre mais cela montre les ressources inventives de ce Genie absolu dont la 1ère Etude la célèbre op2 n 1 a été composée à 13 ans je crois!!

[mathmus100]

I personally prefer the other version, because the transition to the F sharp minor in the second part is so deep. Also, the final part is better, I think. Is like something consumed by the flames, which is in fact the Scriabin's theory. That's what I think.

[richardmakarovprice]

This one's better than the original! Is this the second version?

[jjp009]

Nah, sorry. It sounds like a bunch of mistakes played by an amateur, who then decided to improvise when he/she couldn't find the right notes.

[MertezAad]

@jjp009 I doubt any pianist would be able to improvise something like this out of the original by mistake lol

[jjp009]

@MertezAad Yeah, you're right. I've since heard this version played by several other fine pianists, and it's legit. I guess after 20 years of listening to the other version, this sounded so screwed up to me that I couldn't accept it.

[gipsymustang]

dios mio.. this is absolutely fascinating.. this is like mixed original passion of 12 etude and the spirit of tango.. Breathtaking...

[kaidaniev]

This version was played by Mickaêl Ponti and is included in his complete recordings of Skryabin 's piano music ( That I recommend in spite of of a poor sound due to the recording ...)

[fredg304]

Il faudrait suggérer au prodigieux Boris Berezovky de jouer les deux versions l'une après l'autre ! Quelle dommage que Vladimir Horowitz n'ait jamais enregistré cette version !

[fredg304]

Il faudrait suggérer au prodigieux Boris Berezovky de jouer les deux versions l'une après l'autre !

[fledgehog]

this version is more...melodic i guess, but if you listen to somebody like Kissin playing the "original" version, there is a certain tension that isn't captured at all in this versionl

[nmbanana]

i could only dream of this etude played like this(even though i think if other more "well-known" pianists play it, it could be played even better)

[2587Luna]

Are we sure this is not a hoax or a very good parody? Like Dudley Moore playing Beethoven? This version seems so inferior to the original, I cannot imagine that Scriabin actually wrote it.

[HUNTPIECENIGGA]

@2587Luna Yes, Scriabin wrote it, and it was published in 1895.

[Ellinidara]

This version is just superb...I love this Etude very much,anyway is difficult to make a choose between the first and the second,,in my favourits,thanks.

[rachman1noff]

Does anyone know where I might find the sheet music to this little ditty?

[ScriabinFanatic]

@rachman1noff It is available on IMSLP

[guirlandes3]

@rachman1noff There is a now out-of -print private edition of much of Scriabin's lesser known piano music (some which went unpublished in his lifetime, including this alternate version of the D sharp etude), published by the late Donald Garvelman. Or you can write me; as I can sell you a copy of the score.

[addeex1]

I wonder why he ignored the FF at the last two chords :S Didn't make anything better IMO...

[wrdna58]

The two versions make fascinating comparison, but there are some rather odd moments in this one such as in the juxtaposition of G sharp and G natural in b. 29. Some of the momentum in the middle of the more familiar version, achieved by the modulations, seem to be lost. Here it sort of wallows away in E major/minor without going anywhere. I wonder about the origins of this version - was it published in Scriabin's lifetime?

[ScriabinFanatic]

@wrdna58 Yes according to the sheet music I had seen on IMSLP for it, it was published not very long after the first version was published.

[wrdna58]

@ScriabinFanatic The material on IMSLP is derived from an edition published in 1947. Op. 8 was first published in 1894, but was this 'revised' version (which in my view is distinctly inferior) really published either in 1894 or 1895 shortly after? It could have stemmed from a manuscript.

[ScriabinFanatic]

@wrdna58 I have no idea about its origin then as I must have misinterpreted IMSLP when I saw it on there.

[wrdna58]

@ScriabinFanatic Perhaps the editor in 1947 found a manuscript of this version and decided to publish it. I'd love to find out.

[gerardbedecarter]

Very interesting to have this alternative version of Scriabin's celebrated etude,

[chopianst]

i think this verision is very diffrenrt. The mood is diffrent, espeiclly in the climax it keeps pushing forward. as for the middle calm section, its more of a nocturnish like figure, bravo! this verison should be played just as much as the first one

[TheEngraver]

I love this version, but I don't like Ponti, absolutely. There's a good performance by Setrak. Oh, I dont' like Setrak too, but he's much better than Ponti.

[lewars1912]

@TheEngraver I also love this version but I don't like Ponti playing this version. There's a good performance by Setrak, but I don't like Setrak either though he's much better than Ponti whom I don't think I like. I like the performance by Setrak, though I don't really like him but he's better than Ponti. At least I think he's better than Ponti. Setrak is certainly better than Ponti but I'm not that keen on that other guy. It's a toss up between Setrak, Ponti, and the other guy.

[Martel211996]

@lewars1912 what the fuck?

[lewars1912]

@Martel211996 I was responding to the comment by TheEngraver. It's a crazy world lol.

[josvanr]

some time ago I found one other recording of this piece on youtube. It was a movie in which the sheet music is shown. But I can't find it anymore...

[BarNuun]

By a Japanese pianist... unhappily removed from YouTube.

[chopinandliszt]

Scriabin looks like a Turkish sultan.

[plotinuspoestjohn]

Scriabin looks like Eugene Hütz head on.

[mordent17]

I love the left hand marcato in 1:26 and agree with all who prefer this to the original version. It's more... "chopinesque" or more romantic instead of post-romantic. And the 1:59 part improves a lot the abrupt coda of the original (the cadenza of modulated octaves).

[mordent17]

Whoa but I hate the fff-ppp ending. it sucks. At least, the pianist could have made it mf-p

[PawelAlbinski]

It is not "revised version". That one is just alternate. its the same situation like with Chopin's rondos.

[JSAntares]

Are there any more recordings of the revised version?

[ScriabinFanatic]

I'm not sure, I only have this one is by Michael Ponti as pianist. Scriabin actually playing on his piano roll version is the original I think too.

[JSAntares]

I personally prefer this version and believe it's a shame that everyone else just plays the original.

[chopinandliszt]

it's more harmonically interesting and less monotonic than the first version, in my opinion.

[TheRedArmy10]

@JSAntares I don't think so. This revision is really strange for early Scriabin.

[guirlandes3]

@JSAntares Anton Kuerti performed it in a televised broadcast on CBS' "Camera 3" back in the early 1970s I don't believe he ever recorded it.

[f1f1s]

@JSAntares

Yes. One of them was here before mid-2008, when I had downloaded it right before it was deleted. See the channel name "f1f1f1s", it has been reuploaded recently!

[anermak]

very interest!!!!

[hailkayy]

He's all the time changing of tonality LoL

[bellissimoz]

This is very fascinating! Thank you for sharing :)

[skryabyn]

better to start at 0:38

[skryabyn]

magic at 0:40 I like this version quite a bit!

[ReturnOfTheStienway]

I love this version and Ponti's playing. Particularly, I like this recording better than Chitose Okashiro's (which I use to have up), though I think she plays with better dynamics.

[JCHBONNET]

I like the version (which seems to have been slightly complexified by Scriabin) but I am disappointed by M.Ponti's rendition. I have the impression that he actually reached his technical limits here ...

[ReturnOfTheStienway]

I don't think its his technical limits. Ponti has recorded an amazing amount of rare virtuoso music. To me this recording sounds very controlled. I would have preferred a more improvisational sound to it.

[JCHBONNET]

I agree that my impression may not reflect the reality. Ponti is indeed a virtusoso pianist but I have the feeling that he is suffering when playing this piece. This feeling may come from the fact that his rendition is indeed very controlled.

[ScriabinFanatic]

Michael Ponti. It is on the Scriabin 5 cd full piano collection. Although it is a lie about being the full piano collection because it is lacking some late late works.

[maydengarNSBHS]

do you have it?

[ScriabinFanatic]

Yes I have it. It is a great CD and wasn't that expensive; just it lacks a couple later piano works

[ScriabinFanatic]

sheet or the audio file?

[ironspokes]

and "WHO" determines what the "first time" is ???? its up to the composer for that resolution,.

[musicencyclopedia]

Like most composers (like myself), Scriabin also felt that improvements needed to be done, however we all have to learn that the first time is good enough.