I think he was a bit too eager and lacked modern knowledge of the vast differences in star systems, likely gas composition, and distance of planets from those stars. It's an undeniable proof that their are advanced civilizations on other planets. But I would guess somewhere in the range of hundreds. Because of the vastness of our known universe and the limits of physics and mass it is extremely unlikely that any of those individual civilizations would meet each other.
sure you mite pass all this off as fiction, though the universe is real, we are alive what is the harm in reaching our arms out to the real world and embrace the idea that not just our galaxy but the other 149 billion other galaxys mite just harbor technology that would make NASSA look like childs play, problem solving that will end all our problems, cancer, hiv. end of human famine. oh wait your more interested in the fictional currency that your leader / corporations control.
Does anyone know why he says our solar system has 10 planets? Is he using the word planet loosely? Perhaps he is including some of Jupiter's larger moons as a possible stage for life?
Well, funny, but we discovered a 10th planet in our solar system back in 2003. ITs so far out though, most dont consider it a part of the Solar System proper. I believe its out past the Ort Cloud...or is it the Kupier Belt...? I get those 2 mixed up. But yeah, even back when this was made, they had an incling that there might have been a 10th planet. He could also be counting in Europa I think. the moon of Jupiter with a massive frozen ocean.
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Even at 10 civilizations per galaxy, there are billions of galaxies, which would equal 10s of billions of advanced civilizations in the universe.
If astronomers have pinpointed the relative location of the big bang, it's logical to assume that worlds between us and that point would be several million years ahead of us on the evolutionary scale...
@sixstanger00 It's a bit hard to explain in a youtube comment, and also I am just an interested layman - but there is no such thing as the "location of the big bang". Before the big bang, there was no space, so there was no point in space where it happened. When the big bang happened, spacetime was created. Every spot in space could equally claim to be the location of the big bang, and from every location in space one can see space expanding as galaxies move away in every direction from oneself.
@Wxnzxn Any explosion, no matter the size, is going to expand from a central point. The universe is vast, and its easy to say "everything is moving away from everything" no matter where you are. If you look in front, galaxies appear to be moving further away, if you look behind, galaxies also appear to be moving further away, but they all didnt just blink into existence. A plane in the sky APPEARS to be moving slowly, when in fact it actually moving in excess of 200 MPH
@sixstanger00 What I'm getting at is, at the distance they are apart, its too difficult to measure how fast they are moving away from us. But theoretically, somewhere in the universe, in one particular direction, galaxies would be OLDER the further beyond them you looked. Logically, an area that is dense with the oldest galaxies would be a relative origin. But because of the light barrier, we can't see beyond what light has finally reached us.
@sixstanger00 The limitations of YT comments don't help here, so I found an article that more or less sums up what I was trying to say: curious . astro . cornell . edu/question . php?number=71
I think we may be talking about different principles altogether, do you have any useful links on finding older galaxies in one direction than another? My google hunt wasn't very fruitful, yet I am very interested in cosmology.
CARL SAGAN - "Almost no one attempts to educate themselves on the basics of science and technology, yet our society is based on these. TV takes up far too much of our time and is apparently much more attractive to most of us than the beauty and wonder of science. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces." - CARL SAGAN
I feel like he neglected the ultimate punchline despite possibly never communicating with them: the billions of other GALAXIES in the universe. Further, and certainly less satisfying for visiting them, advanced life forms in other UNIVERSES that possibly spawned from our big bang or else exist by some other means. Thus considering our universe plus others brings about a much more optimistic figure to the more general question: does other life exist beyond planet earth?
and the earth has had 100 million to 1 billion species...only on of which has produced life capable of mastering technology. Change Sagan's estimate of a 1 in 10 change to 1 in a billion, and you get N = 1/10,000,000 ...i.e. even WE don't exist according the silly Drake equation!
hmmm...none of these variables or knowable, ergo the equation can have a value of anywhere from zero to billions. It's an expression of prejudice, not facts, and equation that can mean anything means absolutely nothing.
@jds127b123 btw, the earth alone has had more than 100 million species (maybe many more) ...so his estimate of 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 is laughable for its stupidity and prejudice...and he still only gets to 10. Changing that one figure to 1 in a billion would yield N of 1/10 millionth, i.e. N of way, way, way less than 1....i.e. even WE don't exist according the Drake equation!
Of course, one variable ignored is the percentage of civilizations that survive the moment of interstellar contact. If other civilizations are anything like us, that would likely just be a fixed number: 0 or 1.
And again if any are like us, and if they do end up colonizing other planets, the percentage of planets where life can arise (other than cockroaches), would soon approach 0.
So in that way we should be glad if civilizations like our own quickly destroy themselves ^^.
The Universe is FULL of life, sadly most of it is too far away for contact, super advanced life will have cracked the light / time barrier already and may well regard us as we regard ants. They may visit us (?) but see little value in talking with us, even if they do our governments cover it up. If they do wish to speak with us the aliens could easily overcome any jamming or confusion created by governments. But they choice not to - at least not yet...
Before my time is done, I will make sure that I will establish a school which teaches children about the cosmos, in the wisdom of Carl Sagan!! That's my life's goal!!
The title is very very misleading. A mathematical proof is only true in mathematics (such as n+1 > n), and this isn't even a mathematical proof. It is a theory to which we haven't even got much solid data, as Carl Sagan demonstrates by guessing almost every part of the equation. It is an inspiring idea on what is needed for civilizations to arise (suitable planets, life, enough time, the right path of evolution, etc.) but without hard data, the drake equation is more like a playful thought.
Agreed. It's disrespectful to Sagan to say that something as dubious as the Drake Equation is his idea of proof. His whole life was devoted to upholding skepticism and the Scientific Method.
I think Carl Sagan's assumption of millions of civilizations existing in the Milky Way is very optimistic. I tend to side with those who say that we are most likely alone as an intelligent species at this period of time. Human intelligence emerged only a few thousand years ago and this compares with a possible time frame of more than ten billion years. To assume that intelligent life is existing right now in a detectable distance is too much of a stretch. So most likely we will never know.
@istvanklein Well there are about 200 billion to 400 billion stars in the Milky Way so I think there is currently a at least 1 other intelgent being somewhre out there.
Also there is about 100 to 200 billion galixes in the universe some resershers even say 500 billion with about 100 to 400 billion stars each.
So I personaly think there has to be thousands if not millions of intelgent beings out in the universe
Those are pretty favourable numbers. Look at the earth. Far less than 1/10th or 1/100th of the species on our planet have become intellegent life able to use technology. Only one species of the countless species on Earth has. Thats a far smaller fraction than Sagan gives.
except that even if 100 monkeys left alone with a typewriter would end up writing 'romeo and juliet' (which they obviously wouldn't) they still could never do so if the typewriter had no ink ribbon... what? statistical probablity is not enough to draw a valid conclusion. most people who are shot survive, this stat means nothing to all of those who didn't survive their run in with a bullet. do the math on the likelyhood of life developing here on earth, useing the atheist model... yeah right.
@cwross1976 You can hardly compare what 100 monkeys would type in their lifetime to what all of the planets in the Universe could do over a seemingly infinite amount of time. With that many monkeys over that long of time they could fart the chorus to Master of Puppets by Metallica, twice. With (as far as we know) an unlimited amount of planets over 12-14 billion years, life forming on ONE planet is practically guaranteed. Don't even get me started on how unlikely the creationist "model" is...
I cannot bring myself to believe in his estimation that half of all planets suitable for life will produce life eventually, even over a long time. Sure, what we consider organic molecules occur by themselves, but the intermediate step of virus-like pseudo-life has only a very slim change of occurring. My personal estimation of N would be less than 1 in the entire milkyway. Meaning we should only be happy to be here.
The Drake equation leaves much open in the variables subject to error. With roughly 400-Billion Stars in our Milky Way Galaxy, the actual number of HUMAN inhabited planets is ~7,500,000. Of these, roughly 5,400,000 are at a lesser level of development than ourselves. So this means, in actuality, there are ~2,100,000 HUMAN civilizations MORE advanced than ourselves in this Galaxy. At least 35 to 40 percent of the advanced civilizations already have mastered interstellar travel.
@DeoliveiraIan you're right but BizManBasso is still wrong b/c a theory is about as close as you get to solid proof in scientific terminology. And a weird thought, has anyone ever heard someone say the "theory of God".
Sorry for being pedantic, but "mathematical proof"? I'd rather put it as an equation expressing likeliness, chance, or statistical chance etc. of life arising elsewhere.
@BizManBasso you made a common mistake. A theory is scientifically defined as and idea with substantial proof and evidence and experimentation to back it up, like the Theory of Gravity. I think you mean that the Drake Equation is a hypothesis.
@helmuthro It's not even an hypothesis, as it's not attempting to explain anything or to prove anything by itself. It's an equation of probability, with no care in the world what answers people come up with while using it. The hypothesis or theory would be the numbers that people enter into it.
aaaaaa! we're doomed if we dont stop using fossil fuels, driving cars and eating meat. we're doomed if we dont do something about our population growth. get rid of cows pigs and sheep and leave only a few. plants will make our planet healthier. come on people become vegans! replace elec. with solar. i dont know how Mr Sagan could always stay so calm. aaa! we are running out of time. if we dont limit everyones children to one or two humanity wont have enough time/space to save ourselves !!!
@CloverCATOREE The planet has survived for many years before us, and will be alive for many years after. I understand that through the exponential growth in technology, also comes the exponential growth of the possibility we bring ourselves to an end. The world could end tomorrow, but Im not afraid of that. We need more free thinkers, scientists, philosophers, not vegans and solar electricians. Lets change our purpose on this planet before we start to chance how we live in it.
@piggywild Thats where you're wrong. The whole human race needs to begin to work together to take care of ourselves and this planet. Face it, thats the truth. Scientist cannot do everything on their own. I was trying to encourage people to do some good so please do not reply with another idiotic statement. Dont you get it. Scientists need the world to work together. Its the only way we will advance and at a better speed than currently. Work together my fellow humans, dont listen to this douche
@CloverCATOREE Try looking up YU55 or Apophis. Those are the real Earth ending threats. No one seems to care about that until they see a huge object flying between the Moon and Earth. And the bad part is that it's GOING TO HAPPEN. It's not a myth like May 21, 2011 (Judgement day). By the way.... It will happen on November 9, 2011. Look it up and tell a friend.
I'd have to say in theory I'd think millions of technological civilizations. If this planet we live on today can take the abuse we put it through. Now, you take "adolescence" 75 percent of the world who are almost no better then apes for intelligence. Yea I'd say most likely the galaxy has millions of civilizations with planets who are damaged, abused. I wouldn't give any other species or humans off on some other planet in the galaxy a better grade till I see it myself.
Any signals we would have received from out in space would have most likely been sent millions of years ago, since the distances are in millions of light years. By the time any signal would have gotten here, the senders would have been long dead and gone! And, there is no guarantee the aliens even use a compatible communications system that we can receive anything they are sending, if they are sending anything at all.
If that number isn't big enough.. there's estimates that there are 170 billion galaxies in this universe. 170 billion times millions... but yeah, we won't be able to communicate with them, ever. Unless WORMHOLES happen
you can mock, you will forget this but ive seen ''alien''. I saw him as a pure light with out any space ship and in 0.001 second as i look at him , he just fly up in sky , ill left was light trace just like star falling , just it was going up.... they look at us same as we look at animals.... They dont want to teach us anything cuz we might explore something there race never tought of ...
Did you notice how confident he was when he said it?
How many of the confident assertions we hear today are actually true and what we should believe.
People lie to us without knowing it and when they are wrong they do not feel guilt for misleading others.
The same applies to our leaders. They would swear they have taken the best decision based on the information they had. That is why the greatest leaders a those that successfully lead without a clue what's going on.
if only a fraction form intelligence (self aware), and only a fraction form technological societies.... it makes me wonder if we are part of a fraction that didn't form a biological ability to peer into a higher dimension etc
Our current understanding of the universe allows us to make estimates of the first 3 factors in the Drake Formula. The real way of solving this formula is not as simple as theoretically solving it, but to aquire more knowledge. the solution to the Drake Formula is, essentially, evolving your society to aquire the knowledge to solve it. In that sense it is special- Its designed to motivate us to increase our knowledge and assumes that knowledge is ever increasing.
@maskedmn Bob Lazar is a regular star traveler, I kid you not, I KID YOU NOT, there is a restaurant on an asteroid called "The Asteroid". He won't reveal what's on the menu, he simply ignored me when I asked him.
This is a progressive step in the neglected research of an unappreciated science. However, it is still a calculation based on estimations and guesses, which are based on theories and assumptions. Abandon hope all ye empirialists who enter here. To claim a theory as truth, is as arrogant as claiming a theory to be rediculous is ignorant.
@ThePengwyn Yes, but it doesn't matter. Even if there were 2 million civilizations capable of sending radio signals into space, the odds of us getting them are pretty much impossible.
If there were civilizations within a 60 light year radio, we've had picked up on them already. If some had started transmitting 40 thousand years ago, but were 100 ly away, we wouldn't know for another 60k. In other words, we'd practically never know.
@1971ojoalparche1971 Nonsense. Our very basic knowledge of physics has limited our propulsion, whereas other beings are traveling vast distances by warping time-space with advanced anti-gravity, instead of traveling in straight lines as we're used to. Anyway, these beings have been coming and going for millennia, so to say they could not communicate/navigate across great distances is just ego-centric. Their transportation tech makes our understanding of physics look like child's play.
@1971ojoalparche1971 Let me put it this way: To assume that advanced civs would communicate using radio waves is ludicrous, considering many are thousands of years ahead of human technology. Why would they use such primitive tech, when they already possess the tech to travel between stars? They don't need to beam radio, when they can just land on Earth instead. It would be like us trying to talk to ants -- our "ant mound" civilization is just too stupid to accept UFOs are already here.
@1971ojoalparche1971 You are the one with a serious mental deficiency. You cannot even join a discourse, only toss-off with mindless ridicule. You're quite pathetic.
@1971ojoalparche1971 Your severe retardation has proven my point. Advanced civilizations have no reason to communicate with the retarded masses of our world, because there is no point in communicating with a complete moron like yourself.
continued.. Eventually (and they had about a billion years to do it in) photosynthetic bacteria developed. These microbes secreted oxygen as a waste product, thereby paving the way for life as we know it. If you're interested, the book Life: A Natural History of the First Four Billion Years of Life on Earth by Richard Fortey is a fascinating read. (Though it was published in 1998, so it may be a bit out of date by now.) It even has (literary) Biblical references! :-)
There are advanced civilizations out there.. these civilizations can be less advanced or more advanced, both occur.. We are one of the lesser advanced - we are in 'kindergarten' if there also exists 'university'..
The Drake equation however can be put in the realm of hope, gibberish and what have you..
Drake's equation is based on assumptions distilled from our current believe of how life can only exist if there is carbon, oxygen and hydrogen and some other elements like nitrogen or phosphorus..
Lol yer all really depends on life starting from non life which anyone with a brain knows is utterly impossible and ridiculous. The real number Carl is a big fat ZERO because it never happened. Cannot happen, cannot be repeated even by our best efforts. Utter ballshit.
Oh my. You really typed this? Go away, read some BOOKS that aren't fiction, such as The Bible, and then come back and try again. Fuck me, you're daft.
@richarddsfar So then please tell me where i'm going wrong, explain to me how non life produces life, you people really need to look at yourselves and your arrogance in these matters, the real figure for that is 1/10^80.
Get past the problem of oxygen destroying aminos then the fact that all life only contains left handed pairs then the protein chain and then (and this is the real toughy) how the replication code can evolve, coz that little chestnut has to be fully operable first go.
@jelleepit Motivated by creationist dogma much? I'm no expert, but I'd imagine the replication issue isn't really much of a biggie. Ice crystals, for instance, do it all the time. And dogmatic morons are absolutely famous for it.
@allmyherosRdeadNgone and you have the cheek to call me dumb when you site ice crystals as some kind of parallel to a protein chain. I am actually amused more than annoyed :)
@jelleepit In case you really do want an explanation, first note that there were MANY millions of years in which chemicals mixed in the ocean of the primordial Earth, and that the event only had to occur once. As to the issue of oxygen, the prevailing theory is that the early Earth had little free oxygen. The most ancient lifeforms we know of, called Archaebacteria, live today only in thermal vents, hot springs, volcanoes, etc., and oxygen is lethal to them.
@allmyherosRdeadNgone He we go again, lol, Blind watchmaker quote "Given so much time the 'impossible' becomes possible, the possible probable and the probable virtually certain" Now what's wrong with this thinking everyone? Impossible means it will NOT happen. You can have 50 trillion trillion years if you want, but life will not occur undirected because it is impossible, we can't repeat it we have never seen it happen, and seas sloshing about do not build complex protein strings.
@Calbyr My belief is the only logical route that can be taken, and that is simple. If we can establish that the chance of life happening through purely naturalistic means is beyond the scientific standard (1/10^50) then science deems it impossible, the only other alternative is that is was directed. Once you realize this you are left with one option. That the planet with all its complex and integeral ecology was designed to be that way by the supernatural. Only a God can do this.
@jelleepit Thank you for being honest. I don't necessarily agree with you, but to each their own. But, just to repeat what stephen hawking had said, the galaxies are moving. And, at one time in history, these galaxies were actually sitting upon one another. So, the big bang theory isn't really out of the question. Under the correct, primal atmospheric circumstances, molecular structure could form. Which says nothing about the creation of life. I'm just saying that anything could've happened.
@Calbyr Thankyou for being civil, very rare that happens : ) I don't discount big bang (or something very similar) at the moment God said "let there be light" all space time and matter would have appeared. But my take on this universe is not as simple as you'd think. I will post on your room to explain.
There is so much wrong with this equation. It is primarily based on assumptions...not facts. When he states that our earth is 5+billion years old and we have barely made it to the moon. He forgets to add that mankind has only been around for only 1 million years. And that only in the last 100 yrs have we gone from horse and buggy to space shuttles and computers.
His whole equation is completely bogus. You might know about how many stars, planets, and suitable planets the milky way has, but to say that you could know or even calculate how many HAVE life is ridiculous. It's not ridiculous to say that A planet has life (Earth) - but to say anything MORE than that is untestable - therefore illogical - to make such an extreme claim about life on other planets having radio communication - is just... you choose the word.
The drake equation is a joke. One could extrpolate out into infinity!
There are an infinite set of unique variables that cannot be acounted for and therefore the idea of supporting an equation that takes only a handfull into account is almost certainly incorrect.
The drake equation exists for the purpose of generating interest in the subject and nothing more- Sagan used it to drum up wonder at the possibilities, but it should not be taken seriously as it is probably very wrong!
Actually I'm an Astrobiologist! In my spare time i contemplate wheather fuck-monkeys like you exist out there in the endless vacuum of space. I find it very likely that stupidity is evenly distributed throughout the entire universe(Why should Earth have a corner on the market).
Statistically speaking, The odds are you have a twin out there somewhere, and that twin is making dumb ass comment on the local brand of Youtube just like you!
@commonsensrules sounds like some stupid ass shit to contemplate in your spare time. Statistically speaking, you suck ass hole. nice try on the comedy routine, douche.
@commonsensrules As an Astrobiologist, you sure are immature. I find it hard to imagine anyone with actual intelligence talking to someone else as you do. I fear for our astrobiology community if you are actually an astrobiologist.
I find it hard to believe that you would equate an eductaion to morality. Are you really so nieve as to believe a higher education is a prerequisite for manners?
I have found that past a certian point education really matters little in the bahavior displayed by humanity.
What i will say is Cory had it comming with his little "Ass belonker" comment.
If you found my response harsh you have a thin skin indeed!
@commonsensrules Oh so, when you say "I am an astrobiologist" you were lying to shut the other commenter down... I see.
I am not "EQUATING" your education to morality I am actually CORRELATING that. Correlation does not assume causation. Perhaps, you should get an education though, and that would be cleared up for you. This point is only supported by your obvious lack of grammar and spelling skills.
I must say, you come across as pompous and foolish.
@CrazyGameNinja Oh sure, I like Krogan too, but hypothetically they would want to go to war with us... I think. The Asari are sexy so I wouldn't mind them around! :)
from what i have gathered some of these alien craft have a texture very similar colour and texture to a lobster shell and edible crab. kind of like a dark browny rusty colour similar to a lobster shell.
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Kepler's new planet finds will make scientist rework Drake's equation. There are way more habitable planets in sunlike solar systems than we everthought before.
don't take rocket science to figure this out but ignorance is bliss thus the world hold it firm in grasp. its madness of selfishness to think otherwise.
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The Drake equation is obsolete.
benthemiester 1 week ago
YEA i still think around 8 or 9 of the civilizations in our galaxy destroyed themselves
K00L9 3 weeks ago
Damn! I knew I should have paid more attention in physics class!
dmagwaza 1 month ago
I think he was a bit too eager and lacked modern knowledge of the vast differences in star systems, likely gas composition, and distance of planets from those stars. It's an undeniable proof that their are advanced civilizations on other planets. But I would guess somewhere in the range of hundreds. Because of the vastness of our known universe and the limits of physics and mass it is extremely unlikely that any of those individual civilizations would meet each other.
ShaneGentryRobb 1 month ago
@ShaneGentryRobb "undeniable proof" You mean through mere estimation right? That's not really a consistent proof.
Neueregel 1 month ago
He talks some utter shit! how can you take this moron so fucking serious? probably still talking bollocks in hell......
NobDickBalls 2 months ago
@NobDickBalls why you troll?
inuboy22 1 month ago
@NobDickBalls
Just because YOU cant understand it, doesnt mean he is talking crap.
DeathJesterUK 1 month ago 2
@NobDickBalls he may be, if you want to find out if he is just ask your mum .... that is if her mouth aint full!
MrDasmaster 3 weeks ago
sure you mite pass all this off as fiction, though the universe is real, we are alive what is the harm in reaching our arms out to the real world and embrace the idea that not just our galaxy but the other 149 billion other galaxys mite just harbor technology that would make NASSA look like childs play, problem solving that will end all our problems, cancer, hiv. end of human famine. oh wait your more interested in the fictional currency that your leader / corporations control.
Antifuzz1 2 months ago
Does anyone know why he says our solar system has 10 planets? Is he using the word planet loosely? Perhaps he is including some of Jupiter's larger moons as a possible stage for life?
LilDrummerBoy74 3 months ago
@LilDrummerBoy74
Well, funny, but we discovered a 10th planet in our solar system back in 2003. ITs so far out though, most dont consider it a part of the Solar System proper. I believe its out past the Ort Cloud...or is it the Kupier Belt...? I get those 2 mixed up. But yeah, even back when this was made, they had an incling that there might have been a 10th planet. He could also be counting in Europa I think. the moon of Jupiter with a massive frozen ocean.
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deejayccod 3 months ago
Even at 10 civilizations per galaxy, there are billions of galaxies, which would equal 10s of billions of advanced civilizations in the universe.
If astronomers have pinpointed the relative location of the big bang, it's logical to assume that worlds between us and that point would be several million years ahead of us on the evolutionary scale...
sixstanger00 3 months ago
@sixstanger00 It's a bit hard to explain in a youtube comment, and also I am just an interested layman - but there is no such thing as the "location of the big bang". Before the big bang, there was no space, so there was no point in space where it happened. When the big bang happened, spacetime was created. Every spot in space could equally claim to be the location of the big bang, and from every location in space one can see space expanding as galaxies move away in every direction from oneself.
Wxnzxn 3 months ago
@Wxnzxn Any explosion, no matter the size, is going to expand from a central point. The universe is vast, and its easy to say "everything is moving away from everything" no matter where you are. If you look in front, galaxies appear to be moving further away, if you look behind, galaxies also appear to be moving further away, but they all didnt just blink into existence. A plane in the sky APPEARS to be moving slowly, when in fact it actually moving in excess of 200 MPH
sixstanger00 3 months ago
@sixstanger00 What I'm getting at is, at the distance they are apart, its too difficult to measure how fast they are moving away from us. But theoretically, somewhere in the universe, in one particular direction, galaxies would be OLDER the further beyond them you looked. Logically, an area that is dense with the oldest galaxies would be a relative origin. But because of the light barrier, we can't see beyond what light has finally reached us.
sixstanger00 3 months ago
@sixstanger00 The limitations of YT comments don't help here, so I found an article that more or less sums up what I was trying to say: curious . astro . cornell . edu/question . php?number=71
I think we may be talking about different principles altogether, do you have any useful links on finding older galaxies in one direction than another? My google hunt wasn't very fruitful, yet I am very interested in cosmology.
Wxnzxn 3 months ago
@Wxnzxn Just checked it out, and I still think were both on the same page. We need to have a proper discussion though, instead of a commversation
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CARL SAGAN - "Almost no one attempts to educate themselves on the basics of science and technology, yet our society is based on these. TV takes up far too much of our time and is apparently much more attractive to most of us than the beauty and wonder of science. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces." - CARL SAGAN
TheLogicalBrain 3 months ago
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Ownelitezorage 3 months ago
I feel like he neglected the ultimate punchline despite possibly never communicating with them: the billions of other GALAXIES in the universe. Further, and certainly less satisfying for visiting them, advanced life forms in other UNIVERSES that possibly spawned from our big bang or else exist by some other means. Thus considering our universe plus others brings about a much more optimistic figure to the more general question: does other life exist beyond planet earth?
GiveCourage 4 months ago
Could the elitists really build a 7 year New World Order?
Are you capable of falling for their conditioning of your "insignificance"?
Do you believe them when they say you are nothing but an advanced ape floating aimlessly on a speck of dust with no meaning or purpose?
Will you fall for the coming "alien" strong delusion to help set up their evil New World Order?
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AlienshateU 4 months ago
@AlienshateU Go back on your Schizophrenia medication kid.
tj203 4 months ago
@AlienshateU Back to the nineties with you.
BaileysBeads 4 months ago
@AlienshateU plz take your meds b4 posting a reply
Jayjon81 4 months ago
and the earth has had 100 million to 1 billion species...only on of which has produced life capable of mastering technology. Change Sagan's estimate of a 1 in 10 change to 1 in a billion, and you get N = 1/10,000,000 ...i.e. even WE don't exist according the silly Drake equation!
jds127b123 4 months ago
hmmm...none of these variables or knowable, ergo the equation can have a value of anywhere from zero to billions. It's an expression of prejudice, not facts, and equation that can mean anything means absolutely nothing.
jds127b123 4 months ago
@jds127b123 *are knowable. typo.
jds127b123 4 months ago
@jds127b123 btw, the earth alone has had more than 100 million species (maybe many more) ...so his estimate of 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 is laughable for its stupidity and prejudice...and he still only gets to 10. Changing that one figure to 1 in a billion would yield N of 1/10 millionth, i.e. N of way, way, way less than 1....i.e. even WE don't exist according the Drake equation!
jds127b123 4 months ago
Of course, one variable ignored is the percentage of civilizations that survive the moment of interstellar contact. If other civilizations are anything like us, that would likely just be a fixed number: 0 or 1.
And again if any are like us, and if they do end up colonizing other planets, the percentage of planets where life can arise (other than cockroaches), would soon approach 0.
So in that way we should be glad if civilizations like our own quickly destroy themselves ^^.
sorsocksfake 4 months ago
An equation does not mean mathematical proof. For a YT attention seeker, this is pretty deep content.
Psychonaut1992 5 months ago
filmed with a lamp
grundlehunter 5 months ago
i bet many people thumbs this video up not because they understand it, but it just sounds interesting and the equation is cool
ron126 5 months ago
Dear God , Take Michio Kaku and give us back Carl sagan
PolStevenson 5 months ago
The Universe is FULL of life, sadly most of it is too far away for contact, super advanced life will have cracked the light / time barrier already and may well regard us as we regard ants. They may visit us (?) but see little value in talking with us, even if they do our governments cover it up. If they do wish to speak with us the aliens could easily overcome any jamming or confusion created by governments. But they choice not to - at least not yet...
mikeismad61 5 months ago
I love Sagan, but does anyone have a more modern look at this theory? Or maybe even a modern commentary on his own take of this equation?
PowderedDoughnut 5 months ago
If I could have 1 dollar for every pixel in this video, I would have 1 dollar.
thecockcheese 5 months ago 2
whats f sibi?
Josh44Tube 5 months ago
@Josh44Tube I think he said F sub B
mualchon 5 months ago
Before my time is done, I will make sure that I will establish a school which teaches children about the cosmos, in the wisdom of Carl Sagan!! That's my life's goal!!
charlieking100 5 months ago
What the Drake equation doesn't include is a ratio for concurrent existence to our own.
schizotypalgrasp 5 months ago
When Carl Sagan speaks, the cosmos listens
udipta21 5 months ago 44
@udipta21 I listen. I also hate Richard Dawkins, when ever I compare the two.
pytko3 4 weeks ago
A guess (or an estimate) is not a proof.
SepirothUltima 5 months ago
The title is very very misleading. A mathematical proof is only true in mathematics (such as n+1 > n), and this isn't even a mathematical proof. It is a theory to which we haven't even got much solid data, as Carl Sagan demonstrates by guessing almost every part of the equation. It is an inspiring idea on what is needed for civilizations to arise (suitable planets, life, enough time, the right path of evolution, etc.) but without hard data, the drake equation is more like a playful thought.
Wxnzxn 6 months ago 21
@Wxnzxn
Agreed. It's disrespectful to Sagan to say that something as dubious as the Drake Equation is his idea of proof. His whole life was devoted to upholding skepticism and the Scientific Method.
TonyPro79 3 months ago
Statisical inference is not proof. That's a gripe with the title not the video.
nikanj 6 months ago 5
I think Carl Sagan's assumption of millions of civilizations existing in the Milky Way is very optimistic. I tend to side with those who say that we are most likely alone as an intelligent species at this period of time. Human intelligence emerged only a few thousand years ago and this compares with a possible time frame of more than ten billion years. To assume that intelligent life is existing right now in a detectable distance is too much of a stretch. So most likely we will never know.
istvanklein 6 months ago
@istvanklein Well there are about 200 billion to 400 billion stars in the Milky Way so I think there is currently a at least 1 other intelgent being somewhre out there.
Also there is about 100 to 200 billion galixes in the universe some resershers even say 500 billion with about 100 to 400 billion stars each.
So I personaly think there has to be thousands if not millions of intelgent beings out in the universe
JohnMarsto2011 6 months ago
Does it bother anyone else that the word "mathematical" is misspelled in the title for this upload?
thornshar 6 months ago 4
Should factor in all galaxy's in the known universe, could figure in the fact that there may be a infinite number of universes in the cosmos
carbonunit 6 months ago
the drake equation is meaningless because we don't know the terms
chrlskrkl 6 months ago
Those are pretty favourable numbers. Look at the earth. Far less than 1/10th or 1/100th of the species on our planet have become intellegent life able to use technology. Only one species of the countless species on Earth has. Thats a far smaller fraction than Sagan gives.
SagesOfSeraphim 6 months ago
I think that there would only be a few hundred planets with life in our galaxy, taking all the factors into the equation.
Munnchbunnch 6 months ago
@Munnchbunnch But what about life that exists with differing elements than what life on Earth does?
HowlMoonBeam 6 months ago
except that even if 100 monkeys left alone with a typewriter would end up writing 'romeo and juliet' (which they obviously wouldn't) they still could never do so if the typewriter had no ink ribbon... what? statistical probablity is not enough to draw a valid conclusion. most people who are shot survive, this stat means nothing to all of those who didn't survive their run in with a bullet. do the math on the likelyhood of life developing here on earth, useing the atheist model... yeah right.
cwross1976 6 months ago
@cwross1976 You can hardly compare what 100 monkeys would type in their lifetime to what all of the planets in the Universe could do over a seemingly infinite amount of time. With that many monkeys over that long of time they could fart the chorus to Master of Puppets by Metallica, twice. With (as far as we know) an unlimited amount of planets over 12-14 billion years, life forming on ONE planet is practically guaranteed. Don't even get me started on how unlikely the creationist "model" is...
ic3Septre 6 months ago
that's about as solid of a "mathematical proof" as i've ever seen!
atDonJuan 6 months ago
great,the great Carl Sagan.He is somewere in the bast UNIVERSE.
MrMucont51 6 months ago
hoy el otro pendejo mcdonalds muy chistoso hijo de tu puta madre.you need to respect mr. carl sagan .
monolocoful 6 months ago
I cannot bring myself to believe in his estimation that half of all planets suitable for life will produce life eventually, even over a long time. Sure, what we consider organic molecules occur by themselves, but the intermediate step of virus-like pseudo-life has only a very slim change of occurring. My personal estimation of N would be less than 1 in the entire milkyway. Meaning we should only be happy to be here.
Kabitu1 6 months ago
The Drake equation leaves much open in the variables subject to error. With roughly 400-Billion Stars in our Milky Way Galaxy, the actual number of HUMAN inhabited planets is ~7,500,000. Of these, roughly 5,400,000 are at a lesser level of development than ourselves. So this means, in actuality, there are ~2,100,000 HUMAN civilizations MORE advanced than ourselves in this Galaxy. At least 35 to 40 percent of the advanced civilizations already have mastered interstellar travel.
QED, we're found
J7Rod7 6 months ago
400 billion and thats just in the milky way. and people have the arrogance to say other life does not exist
elliments 7 months ago
want my mathematical proof? we exist there for they exist
elliments 7 months ago
@DeoliveiraIan you're right but BizManBasso is still wrong b/c a theory is about as close as you get to solid proof in scientific terminology. And a weird thought, has anyone ever heard someone say the "theory of God".
helmuthro 7 months ago 5
Sorry for being pedantic, but "mathematical proof"? I'd rather put it as an equation expressing likeliness, chance, or statistical chance etc. of life arising elsewhere.
Obama4Prezz 7 months ago
@BizManBasso you made a common mistake. A theory is scientifically defined as and idea with substantial proof and evidence and experimentation to back it up, like the Theory of Gravity. I think you mean that the Drake Equation is a hypothesis.
helmuthro 7 months ago
@helmuthro It's not even an hypothesis, as it's not attempting to explain anything or to prove anything by itself. It's an equation of probability, with no care in the world what answers people come up with while using it. The hypothesis or theory would be the numbers that people enter into it.
DeoliveiraIan 7 months ago
I think a movie made about Sagan would have to cast Mike Meyers as Carl Sagan.
chaselloyd 7 months ago
aaaaaa! we're doomed if we dont stop using fossil fuels, driving cars and eating meat. we're doomed if we dont do something about our population growth. get rid of cows pigs and sheep and leave only a few. plants will make our planet healthier. come on people become vegans! replace elec. with solar. i dont know how Mr Sagan could always stay so calm. aaa! we are running out of time. if we dont limit everyones children to one or two humanity wont have enough time/space to save ourselves !!!
CloverCATOREE 7 months ago
@CloverCATOREE The planet has survived for many years before us, and will be alive for many years after. I understand that through the exponential growth in technology, also comes the exponential growth of the possibility we bring ourselves to an end. The world could end tomorrow, but Im not afraid of that. We need more free thinkers, scientists, philosophers, not vegans and solar electricians. Lets change our purpose on this planet before we start to chance how we live in it.
piggywild 7 months ago
@piggywild Thats where you're wrong. The whole human race needs to begin to work together to take care of ourselves and this planet. Face it, thats the truth. Scientist cannot do everything on their own. I was trying to encourage people to do some good so please do not reply with another idiotic statement. Dont you get it. Scientists need the world to work together. Its the only way we will advance and at a better speed than currently. Work together my fellow humans, dont listen to this douche
CloverCATOREE 7 months ago
@CloverCATOREE Try looking up YU55 or Apophis. Those are the real Earth ending threats. No one seems to care about that until they see a huge object flying between the Moon and Earth. And the bad part is that it's GOING TO HAPPEN. It's not a myth like May 21, 2011 (Judgement day). By the way.... It will happen on November 9, 2011. Look it up and tell a friend.
Ramel34 7 months ago
I'd have to say in theory I'd think millions of technological civilizations. If this planet we live on today can take the abuse we put it through. Now, you take "adolescence" 75 percent of the world who are almost no better then apes for intelligence. Yea I'd say most likely the galaxy has millions of civilizations with planets who are damaged, abused. I wouldn't give any other species or humans off on some other planet in the galaxy a better grade till I see it myself.
DigitalBeast6 7 months ago
Any signals we would have received from out in space would have most likely been sent millions of years ago, since the distances are in millions of light years. By the time any signal would have gotten here, the senders would have been long dead and gone! And, there is no guarantee the aliens even use a compatible communications system that we can receive anything they are sending, if they are sending anything at all.
jerryg50 7 months ago
@jerryg50
Id say thousands of years at the most. Our galaxy is no more than 100.000 light years at it's largest diameter.
askjiir 6 months ago
Why did he say we had 10 planets in our system? at 2:40
Ramel34 7 months ago
@Ramel34 I think he includes a good sized moon.
jcorlettbr 7 months ago
@Ramel34 to make the calculation simpler for idiots. Duh!
CloverCATOREE 7 months ago
@CloverCATOREE No sir! He said 10 planets on another video as well. I think he was counting Titan.
Ramel34 7 months ago
@Ramel34 oh ok. well your answer is as much a guess as mine. mine is called a joke though. perhaps you didnt see that. xD hhahha
CloverCATOREE 7 months ago
@Ramel34 Technically we had more than 9 planets, but the other one was ruled out as a dwarf planet.
thewarlord333 7 months ago
i agree with bizman this isnt proof its onlt a theory,the title shoud be changed or something...
fullmetalnaruto92 7 months ago
@fullmetalnaruto92 I think there is why there is a "?" at the end of the title
Kibate 7 months ago
@Kibate hmm didnt notice that..
fullmetalnaruto92 7 months ago
This isn't solid proof, it's a theory.
BizManBasso 8 months ago
@BizManBasso nobody says it was it's a guy trying to solve the possibilities better than any religious people are doing....
BotActionAndy 7 months ago
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biotoxin21 8 months ago
If that number isn't big enough.. there's estimates that there are 170 billion galaxies in this universe. 170 billion times millions... but yeah, we won't be able to communicate with them, ever. Unless WORMHOLES happen
therorysnake 8 months ago
you can mock, you will forget this but ive seen ''alien''. I saw him as a pure light with out any space ship and in 0.001 second as i look at him , he just fly up in sky , ill left was light trace just like star falling , just it was going up.... they look at us same as we look at animals.... They dont want to teach us anything cuz we might explore something there race never tought of ...
2pacisgoDIamOJ 8 months ago
That's the most unusual message for peace on earth.
gespilk 8 months ago
A million?! That's nucking futs!!
ArtistryofDebauchery 8 months ago
"graced by civilization" i like the way he put that
BallinMingo 8 months ago
lol, we can't even communicate with each other...enough said.
HelliPilot 8 months ago
Shut and sit your punk-ass up and down respectively, and prepare to have your ass taught when watching this video!
SirSexyAlot 8 months ago
did he said 10 planets?
elmexicanoforlive 8 months ago
@elmexicanoforlive
Did you notice how confident he was when he said it?
How many of the confident assertions we hear today are actually true and what we should believe.
People lie to us without knowing it and when they are wrong they do not feel guilt for misleading others.
The same applies to our leaders. They would swear they have taken the best decision based on the information they had. That is why the greatest leaders a those that successfully lead without a clue what's going on.
gespilk 8 months ago
@elmexicanoforlive
although we have no prove of it,
Its assumed that most other stars in the universe have on average more planets orbiting then our 8 planets.
Taking out of account the majority of stars that dont have a single planet.
Most stars that have planets, have many. Exspecially concerning the sun is a small star among many.
The planets are made trough the same process as the existance of the star. SO if a star is bigger, orbits are bigger, theres more material,
either its circling
Armigo91 8 months ago
planets are bigger, or in a larger amount. 10planets per star could very well be average for a planetary system.
Armigo91 8 months ago
Carl Sagen is a legend...........however, this clip is very poor resolution.
firstmonopolopolis 8 months ago
if only a fraction form intelligence (self aware), and only a fraction form technological societies.... it makes me wonder if we are part of a fraction that didn't form a biological ability to peer into a higher dimension etc
xshoreLS1 9 months ago
I was sad there for a second. Made me feel lonely here on earth.. lol. I still think there are beings out there..
Skoalbasher 9 months ago
Yawn, yawn,ya................
Chev4206 9 months ago
Our current understanding of the universe allows us to make estimates of the first 3 factors in the Drake Formula. The real way of solving this formula is not as simple as theoretically solving it, but to aquire more knowledge. the solution to the Drake Formula is, essentially, evolving your society to aquire the knowledge to solve it. In that sense it is special- Its designed to motivate us to increase our knowledge and assumes that knowledge is ever increasing.
MuonRay 9 months ago
and of those technical civilizations....all are believed to harbor at least one mcdonald's
maskedmn 9 months ago 60
@maskedmn Bob Lazar is a regular star traveler, I kid you not, I KID YOU NOT, there is a restaurant on an asteroid called "The Asteroid". He won't reveal what's on the menu, he simply ignored me when I asked him.
Zahn 7 months ago
@Zahn thats some bullshit right there.....did he refuse you service cuz ur an earthling? ill call al sharpton and send him up there
maskedmn 7 months ago
@maskedmn
I sure don't hope they are barbaric murderers like humans.
ZoldierrZzz 6 months ago
@maskedmn
m sub d
Callirgos1 4 months ago
This is a progressive step in the neglected research of an unappreciated science. However, it is still a calculation based on estimations and guesses, which are based on theories and assumptions. Abandon hope all ye empirialists who enter here. To claim a theory as truth, is as arrogant as claiming a theory to be rediculous is ignorant.
zenmaher 9 months ago
@zenmaher you do realise what a scientific theory is do you? it is an explanation of a fact by all the evidence and observations.
AussiePolitics 9 months ago
I think the FL, FI, FC are all EXTREMELY generous values
ThePengwyn 9 months ago
@ThePengwyn Yes, but it doesn't matter. Even if there were 2 million civilizations capable of sending radio signals into space, the odds of us getting them are pretty much impossible.
If there were civilizations within a 60 light year radio, we've had picked up on them already. If some had started transmitting 40 thousand years ago, but were 100 ly away, we wouldn't know for another 60k. In other words, we'd practically never know.
1971ojoalparche1971 9 months ago
@1971ojoalparche1971 Nonsense. Our very basic knowledge of physics has limited our propulsion, whereas other beings are traveling vast distances by warping time-space with advanced anti-gravity, instead of traveling in straight lines as we're used to. Anyway, these beings have been coming and going for millennia, so to say they could not communicate/navigate across great distances is just ego-centric. Their transportation tech makes our understanding of physics look like child's play.
banthamobile 9 months ago
@banthamobile What the hell are you talking about?
1971ojoalparche1971 9 months ago
@1971ojoalparche1971 Let me put it this way: To assume that advanced civs would communicate using radio waves is ludicrous, considering many are thousands of years ahead of human technology. Why would they use such primitive tech, when they already possess the tech to travel between stars? They don't need to beam radio, when they can just land on Earth instead. It would be like us trying to talk to ants -- our "ant mound" civilization is just too stupid to accept UFOs are already here.
banthamobile 9 months ago
@banthamobile Right. I think it's time for your juice and nappy time. Don't forget your medication and have a good life.
1971ojoalparche1971 9 months ago
@1971ojoalparche1971 You are the one with a serious mental deficiency. You cannot even join a discourse, only toss-off with mindless ridicule. You're quite pathetic.
banthamobile 9 months ago
@1971ojoalparche1971 Your severe retardation has proven my point. Advanced civilizations have no reason to communicate with the retarded masses of our world, because there is no point in communicating with a complete moron like yourself.
banthamobile 9 months ago
@banthamobile Have you ever took into consideration the chance that you may be full of shit ?
thegarbeen 9 months ago
@thegarbeen Stick your head back in the sand, you stupid ostrich.
banthamobile 9 months ago
mr. anderson
xromeox5 9 months ago
now multiply that answer by approx. 400 billion to incorporate the billions of other GALAXIES.
kvn89 9 months ago
Anyone who likes real science watch privileged planet on here about 12 mins in.
jelleepit 9 months ago
continued.. Eventually (and they had about a billion years to do it in) photosynthetic bacteria developed. These microbes secreted oxygen as a waste product, thereby paving the way for life as we know it. If you're interested, the book Life: A Natural History of the First Four Billion Years of Life on Earth by Richard Fortey is a fascinating read. (Though it was published in 1998, so it may be a bit out of date by now.) It even has (literary) Biblical references! :-)
allmyherosRdeadNgone 9 months ago
There are advanced civilizations out there.. these civilizations can be less advanced or more advanced, both occur.. We are one of the lesser advanced - we are in 'kindergarten' if there also exists 'university'..
The Drake equation however can be put in the realm of hope, gibberish and what have you..
Drake's equation is based on assumptions distilled from our current believe of how life can only exist if there is carbon, oxygen and hydrogen and some other elements like nitrogen or phosphorus..
HGNnet 9 months ago
Lol yer all really depends on life starting from non life which anyone with a brain knows is utterly impossible and ridiculous. The real number Carl is a big fat ZERO because it never happened. Cannot happen, cannot be repeated even by our best efforts. Utter ballshit.
jelleepit 9 months ago
@jelleepit
Oh my. You really typed this? Go away, read some BOOKS that aren't fiction, such as The Bible, and then come back and try again. Fuck me, you're daft.
richarddsfar 9 months ago
@richarddsfar So then please tell me where i'm going wrong, explain to me how non life produces life, you people really need to look at yourselves and your arrogance in these matters, the real figure for that is 1/10^80.
Get past the problem of oxygen destroying aminos then the fact that all life only contains left handed pairs then the protein chain and then (and this is the real toughy) how the replication code can evolve, coz that little chestnut has to be fully operable first go.
jelleepit 9 months ago
@jelleepit Motivated by creationist dogma much? I'm no expert, but I'd imagine the replication issue isn't really much of a biggie. Ice crystals, for instance, do it all the time. And dogmatic morons are absolutely famous for it.
allmyherosRdeadNgone 9 months ago
@allmyherosRdeadNgone and you have the cheek to call me dumb when you site ice crystals as some kind of parallel to a protein chain. I am actually amused more than annoyed :)
jelleepit 9 months ago
@jelleepit In case you really do want an explanation, first note that there were MANY millions of years in which chemicals mixed in the ocean of the primordial Earth, and that the event only had to occur once. As to the issue of oxygen, the prevailing theory is that the early Earth had little free oxygen. The most ancient lifeforms we know of, called Archaebacteria, live today only in thermal vents, hot springs, volcanoes, etc., and oxygen is lethal to them.
allmyherosRdeadNgone 9 months ago
@allmyherosRdeadNgone He we go again, lol, Blind watchmaker quote "Given so much time the 'impossible' becomes possible, the possible probable and the probable virtually certain" Now what's wrong with this thinking everyone? Impossible means it will NOT happen. You can have 50 trillion trillion years if you want, but life will not occur undirected because it is impossible, we can't repeat it we have never seen it happen, and seas sloshing about do not build complex protein strings.
jelleepit 9 months ago
@jelleepit Then what is your belief?
Calbyr 9 months ago
@Calbyr My belief is the only logical route that can be taken, and that is simple. If we can establish that the chance of life happening through purely naturalistic means is beyond the scientific standard (1/10^50) then science deems it impossible, the only other alternative is that is was directed. Once you realize this you are left with one option. That the planet with all its complex and integeral ecology was designed to be that way by the supernatural. Only a God can do this.
jelleepit 9 months ago
@jelleepit Thank you for being honest. I don't necessarily agree with you, but to each their own. But, just to repeat what stephen hawking had said, the galaxies are moving. And, at one time in history, these galaxies were actually sitting upon one another. So, the big bang theory isn't really out of the question. Under the correct, primal atmospheric circumstances, molecular structure could form. Which says nothing about the creation of life. I'm just saying that anything could've happened.
Calbyr 9 months ago
@Calbyr Thankyou for being civil, very rare that happens : ) I don't discount big bang (or something very similar) at the moment God said "let there be light" all space time and matter would have appeared. But my take on this universe is not as simple as you'd think. I will post on your room to explain.
jelleepit 9 months ago
There is so much wrong with this equation. It is primarily based on assumptions...not facts. When he states that our earth is 5+billion years old and we have barely made it to the moon. He forgets to add that mankind has only been around for only 1 million years. And that only in the last 100 yrs have we gone from horse and buggy to space shuttles and computers.
Kirkunik1 9 months ago
@Kirkunik1 That's why he said it's a guess...and at the end, he did mention that we only JUST discovered radio astronomy in the past 20 or so years.
Calbyr 9 months ago
His whole equation is completely bogus. You might know about how many stars, planets, and suitable planets the milky way has, but to say that you could know or even calculate how many HAVE life is ridiculous. It's not ridiculous to say that A planet has life (Earth) - but to say anything MORE than that is untestable - therefore illogical - to make such an extreme claim about life on other planets having radio communication - is just... you choose the word.
MosesWithAStick 10 months ago
Man i wish i was living in the time when first contact is made
BlindFaith1985 10 months ago
@BlindFaith1985 you never know.. that could be tomorrow :)
Getwtfpwnd 10 months ago
The drake equation is a joke. One could extrpolate out into infinity!
There are an infinite set of unique variables that cannot be acounted for and therefore the idea of supporting an equation that takes only a handfull into account is almost certainly incorrect.
The drake equation exists for the purpose of generating interest in the subject and nothing more- Sagan used it to drum up wonder at the possibilities, but it should not be taken seriously as it is probably very wrong!
commonsensrules 10 months ago
@commonsensrules cuz your a scientist. oh wait, ass belonker.
corylalexander 10 months ago
@corylalexander
Actually I'm an Astrobiologist! In my spare time i contemplate wheather fuck-monkeys like you exist out there in the endless vacuum of space. I find it very likely that stupidity is evenly distributed throughout the entire universe(Why should Earth have a corner on the market).
Statistically speaking, The odds are you have a twin out there somewhere, and that twin is making dumb ass comment on the local brand of Youtube just like you!
Yay stupidity!
commonsensrules 10 months ago
@commonsensrules sounds like some stupid ass shit to contemplate in your spare time. Statistically speaking, you suck ass hole. nice try on the comedy routine, douche.
corylalexander 10 months ago
@commonsensrules As an Astrobiologist, you sure are immature. I find it hard to imagine anyone with actual intelligence talking to someone else as you do. I fear for our astrobiology community if you are actually an astrobiologist.
Ihateregistrations1 10 months ago
@Ihateregistrations1
Never to fear, I am not an Astrobiologist.
I find it hard to believe that you would equate an eductaion to morality. Are you really so nieve as to believe a higher education is a prerequisite for manners?
I have found that past a certian point education really matters little in the bahavior displayed by humanity.
What i will say is Cory had it comming with his little "Ass belonker" comment.
If you found my response harsh you have a thin skin indeed!
commonsensrules 10 months ago
@commonsensrules Oh so, when you say "I am an astrobiologist" you were lying to shut the other commenter down... I see.
I am not "EQUATING" your education to morality I am actually CORRELATING that. Correlation does not assume causation. Perhaps, you should get an education though, and that would be cleared up for you. This point is only supported by your obvious lack of grammar and spelling skills.
I must say, you come across as pompous and foolish.
Ihateregistrations1 10 months ago
@Ihateregistrations1
Only an idiot would assume that because i'm not an astrobiologist, i'm not educated-that would be you.
Only an idiot would resort to grammer and spelling as a means of support for their arguement. Typical for a weak arguement.
I must say, You come across as a liberal fucktard lacking in any form of commonsense!
The whole post was a flame you idiot, and i say idiot because anyone with sense would have recognized that fact after the first paragraph!
wake up!
commonsensrules 10 months ago
@commonsensrules
"You come across as a liberal fucktard..."
"i contemplate wheather fuck-monkeys like you exist out there..."
"and that twin is making dumb ass comment on the local brand..."
It seems you have some prime arguements right there.
LordNovacro 10 months ago
@LordNovacro
Why thank you. Always nice to find someone who can appreciate a strong arguement when they see it.
commonsensrules 9 months ago
@commonsensrules STFU NOOB.
Ihateregistrations1 9 months ago
@Ihateregistrations1
Blow me!
commonsensrules 9 months ago
@commonsensrules Gross fag. JUST STFU NOOB.
Ihateregistrations1 9 months ago
@Ihateregistrations1
Again, suckle on my ballsack and whisper sweet nothings to my cockandballs!
commonsensrules 9 months ago
@commonsensrules Again, STFU Faggot!
Ihateregistrations1 9 months ago
@Ihateregistrations1
Damn dude, you got thr STFU down pat-how long you been working on that piece of literary genius?
commonsensrules 9 months ago
@commonsensrules Thank you. I'm so sick of people acting like Sagan meant for this to be 100% accurate.
Calbyr 9 months ago
The calculation is extremely vague.
TheBuddhaLight 10 months ago
I hope two of the ten possible civilizations are not Krogan and Rachni!!!
Leon612 10 months ago
@Leon612 But I like Krogans...and Asari.
CrazyGameNinja 10 months ago
@CrazyGameNinja Oh sure, I like Krogan too, but hypothetically they would want to go to war with us... I think. The Asari are sexy so I wouldn't mind them around! :)
Leon612 10 months ago
from what i have gathered some of these alien craft have a texture very similar colour and texture to a lobster shell and edible crab. kind of like a dark browny rusty colour similar to a lobster shell.
210482fmj 10 months ago
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Futurecop2012B 10 months ago
RIP Mr. Sagan...you provoked the thoughts of millions.
SavingEverySecond 10 months ago
this is not a mathematical proof, it is a quantified reasoning base on set of assumptions and statistics.
A mathematical proof is purely mathematical and is independent of nature. For example, the following requires a mathematical proof:
1+1 = 2
Please look it up, i cant share links in here.
Aryanpars 10 months ago
Kepler's new planet finds will make scientist rework Drake's equation. There are way more habitable planets in sunlike solar systems than we everthought before.
dipstickers 10 months ago
don't take rocket science to figure this out but ignorance is bliss thus the world hold it firm in grasp. its madness of selfishness to think otherwise.
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OJHanz 11 months ago
ths video showed me that,most likely, we are the only ones here...at least in the milky way
yahoopl3 11 months ago