Great argument - although the majority of it focused on the agnostics complete unwillingness to conclude the law of non contradiction was rational|universal - you held him down on this, nice job.
It took five videos for me to figure out which one was the Christian, because Jesus was never mentioned. Lot's of dead cats in boxes, five dollar bills, etc, but not Jesus.
@rymjalka, no i do not believe caesar, but when in contrast with Jesus... smh... i can absolutely say Jesus (according to all available knowledge) lived, behaved, and died in accordance to the biblical character of God. unfortunately for caesar, he did not live, behave, and die in accordance to the religious character of venus god of love. smh your comparison is actually no comparison at all smh.... and in response to your circumcision comment, are you suggesting that all doctors are pedophiles?
Mike misunderstood Schrodinger's cat. The cat is only alive AND dead because assuming something that is entirely 50:50 to be true is utter foolishness.
Got to say I rather enjoyed that. Great to see Chad preach the good news at the end of the debate.
Oh yeah and I loved how fidgety Mike was and how calm Chad was. (God is good :))
How do you go from the transcendental argument to scripture and the standard of Christ? There is a lot of argument in between the deistic God and the Trinitarian God of the Christian scriptures. The atheist spent way to long with unnecessary push back to the laws of logic.
@EldarionLovesJESUS You mean that lovely treat that this lovely, omnipotent deity has given him? Where he burns in hell for eternity which this "benelovent" deity has created for him, having been tossed into a lake of fire and endlessly tortured?And he gets all of this for a mere difference in theological viewpoint? There is nothing guilty with being born and living a life. Is this an evil person?
@TheGamanic God does not 'like' to see people go to hell. 2 Peter says 3:9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." We choose where we are going for eternity. We have sinned against God so He could send us to Hell. But He loves us so he gave a way out through Jesus.
@TheGamanic (I didn't have enough room in my last comment so this is continued) that is Love, He had no reason to die for us except that He loved us and did NOT want us to go to Hell.
@TheGamanic But you don't believe He is real.. so why are you saying that He's evil? Do you argue the character of superman or spiderman? I should hope not, because they aren't real. Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it go away. Heaven is real, God is real, and Hell is real. You have a choice my friend to accept the free gift and love offering that God provided for you thru His Son Jesus. You can rant and rave all you want, but you're going to face him when you die!
@rjmnalka It is hypothetical, if he were real, he would be evil, which would negate his existence any way because one of his properties is omnibenelovence. Again you have to prove that such a god exists, which is more or less futile. It is a matter of faith, and for a rational human being, believing something without any good evidence is illogical. For intents and purposes you might as well say you meet Zeus when you die!
@TheGamanic The evidence that there is a God is all around you. There's no creation without a creator such as there's no painting without a painter...that is common sense. There's only one right answer .. which is the law of non-contradiction. Jesus Christ existed, that is a historical fact. He had followers that witnessed his death and ressurection. We have manuscript evidence, dead sea scrolls, etc. He is mocked. His name is used as a curse word. And yet He died for us in our place!
@rjmnalka The problem with the painting/painter analogy is that you can see the painter, you can talk to him, touch him, unlike god. It is an awful analogy, especially in the hands of a creationist. "Jesus Christ existed, that is a historical fact"- he probably did, but that does not make him the son of god, just as many others have said they are descended from deities or were ones. Caesar said he was descended from the god of love, Venus? Believe him too?
@TheGamanic A few interesting facts from the bible. The ratio used to build Noah's ark is used by the navy today. Circumcising babies on the eigth day (found in Genesis and Exodus) is now discovered to be the perfect time to circumcise a child. There are over 400 prophecies about the coming of Jesus written between 400 and several thousand years before He came. All written by men that had never met. The odds of that are 1 and 10 to the 157th power -by Josh Mcdowell *mathematician. Good luck
@rjmnalka Where are you getting this data from with Noah's ark? Source please? Plus even if Noah's ark is used today, it doesn't gloss over the fact that no way would it be able to house all the world's animals, which was its aim, it would have been woefully undersized?
and . Ahh yes circumcision, genital pedophilic mutilation, there is always a perfect time for that...
@TheGamanic You have a choice to make before you die. You can accept the free gift of salvation thru Jesus Christ., or you can spit on HIm and what He did for you. God isn't going to force you to be with Him. If you don't like what God did or does, then don't put your faith and trust in Jesus., that's your free will. Either way, you're going to die like the rest of us, no matter what your belief is. Jesus Saves! He is the ONLY way. You're choice to deny Him or humbly accept Him
@rjmnalka I choose to "deny" him because there is insufficient evidence for that particular deity. Therefore I don't believe. Simple. If he wants to punish me eternally for believing him, despite the startling lack of evidence for its existence, that is his choice, but it shows him to be a monster not a benelovent god
@TheGamanic But that's just the thing.. He doesn't want to punish you, which is exactly why He sent His one and only son to die for you and in your place. Now imagine that if your son/daughter/wife/mother/father died for someone else, and the person they died for said, I don't accept what he/she did because I don't like certain things about them... how upset would you be? He already Saved you... but you're saying "I don't want it" ... so He'll give you just that. eternal seperation from Him!
@rjmnalka So because a woman ate an apple from a tree, which she didn't know was wrong because she didn't have the knowledge to make that decision, the rest of humanity, billions of people, had to suffer massively, and to correct this, this god kills his son who happens to rise from the dead like a zombie (like many other gods at the time who were resurrected) to rectify the mistake this omniscient, omnipotent god has made, and the only way these events can be known about is in a single book?
Dear god, that atheist is a moron. The xian puts forward a version of TAG and he can't even debunk it. And that nonsense at the end...... if you believe, THEN you will KNOW. LOL.
TAG being DESTROYED by a clever atheist. ....... watch?v=rb1mfKJU6bo
By the way, any god that punishes someone for eternity for looking at a girls bum is a total loonie and i would not worship such an evil creature even if i KNEW it existed.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
The love has been given, don't let it pass you, love is patient, it is waiting for you, God is waiting.
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Juan 3:16 "Porque de tal manera amo Dios al mundo, que ha dado a su hijo unegito, para que todo aquel que en el cree, no se pierda mas tega vida eterna."
El amor ya es dado, no lo deje pasar, amor es paciente, te esta esperando, Dios te espera.
Comfort and all his christians would be great car salesmen. Whenever you engage in "debate" with them, they pile a bunch of assertions and bible quotes on you so you don't know where to start debunking anything, then they continue babbling on about eternal punishment and how nice that genocidal wrathful eternal father of the bible really is.
Don't fool yourself into thinking they are great at "spreading the word". This works for all religions. And car salesmen.
@ac1th Couldn't agree with you more. They just use the shotgun method, give you tons of fallacious arguments which take ages to debunk, then they stop you half way through and then spout out some more crap. If you don't immediatedly debunk one of their arguments, they think you have failed and so believe they actually won by the end when all they have really done is bombard assertions at you and scaring people instead of using logic
@TheGamanic Then why don't you debunk his 'fallacious arguments' here then, you have all the time in the world without any interuptions. Even the atheist in this video had to admit that nothing is absolute, according to his world view.
That was the most reasonable atheist I've heard of in years. Mike, if you're out there, When all is said and done, you're sitting on the side of your bed trying to shuffle the pieces of insanity into something that makes sense, theres always the simple truth only you and God know. That's the place where you can hear God and He can hear you and repentance is just being real. So, be real.
Chad, I hope you realize that there are many people who feel like they've never done anything wrong. They are called psychopaths and they make up a large majority of history's serial killers.
@JohnDoeBand1 "They're called psychopaths and they make up a large majority of history's serial killers"
Captain Crunch, included!!! I'm sure you read about the mass murder of Snap, Crackle and Pop? Tony the Tiger, maybe? The Captain's the only cereal killer to ever drown all his victims in milk, then eat them alive!!!
You'll find that most "atheists" are angry people. They hate God and they hate Christians. These people are workers of Satan as they share the devils character as well. Satan hates God and hates humanity in general. Most "atheists" will deny God until their dead, because of their pride and their hateful and sinful heart. If you don't believe that "atheists" are angry people, just scroll down through the comments, and you'll see Satan's character living through these "atheists."
yes, everything is just a simple chemical reaction. god DOES NOT EXIST.
islamic dudes marry 10 year old girls. is that moraly acceptable? clearly, its even written in their holy book. just go check out the many societys have existed that aproved this kind of things.
no remorse at all. know anything about wars? obviously you dont. please go die in a fire.
@amierdolo Islam does not follow the Bible. Some red flags that come from the Quran is that they say Jesus was not crucified. When in fact, historians Flavius Josephus and Greek writer Lucian (just to name a few) have confirmed that Jesus was in fact crucified. And the Quran requires violence and Jihad (holy war). Muslims are sinners. The only way to be cleaned from your sins is to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.
@teamvictorairsoft you clearly did not understand my simple comment. its about relativism. just because kirk cameron thinks relativism is wrong doesnt make that true.
its just simple, by seeing how the top mind of livingwaters club confuses chances and uncertainties with contradictions.
i'll keep enjoying my life. u can stick to let ray, kirk and mr "fightedforyourfreedom" live out of scam and deceit.
btw, did u know the christian guy in this video participated in a murder?
@creationcenterTV Morality does not exist if there is no God. It would be an anything goes universe. There is no judgment either for wickedness because then wickedness would not exist. It would be subjective.
That's not true at all. We don't need god to know what would hurt and cause pain for our fellow humans. Morality comes from the human experience and religion hijacked it from humanity. You'd have to be incredibly blind and stupid to think that if there is no god then it would be okay to murder others.
@creationcenterTV Who are you to force your opinio on others? We know what causes pain and hurts other people but no one can tell you it is wrong to do such things. There is no authority or law. You can do what you want. You simply choose not to but then you force your ideas and morality on another person based on your own opinion and not any objective truth. Also nice ad hominem tagged on the end of your argument.
@creationcenterTV Now you are calling me a fool as if it helps your pathetic argument look true. By what standard, by who's standard is something labeled right or wrong? Your own? Your own subjective opinion? Can you prove that right and wrong are unherently universal traits? What evidence supports this?
If god was tried before basic laws of morality, he would have to go to hell wouldn't he? For murder and tyranny. I don't know how you can't see that we would know murder and theft are wrong without a holy book. Can't help you.
@creationcenterTV So basically you admit defeat because you have no ability to prove that right and wrong exist and that they are universal for all people. So basically you are wrong. ok then.
That's what I've been saying if you bothered to read. Whatever causes suffering and pain for our species we regard as wrong. No need for a divine agent or holy book.
And I'm not admitting defeat. It's extremely torturous trying to have a discussion with a brainwashed bigot like yourself.
@creationcenterTV The one who is brainwashed is you. All you are doing is arguing with logical fallacies and you make absolutely no sense!
Its not true that all people think "whatever causes suffering and pain for our species is wrong." History proves humanity doesnt agree with you. Look at all the wars and kilings all over even today. Now what authority tells us one thing is wrong and one thing isnt? because not all humans would even agree.
No need for a divine agent to know those are wrong. It's true people have committed them (ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN A DIVINE AGENT) but that doesn't mean we are lost and can't decide if murder or theft are wrong.
@creationcenterTV Who decides murder or theft is wrong? And why? Stop just saying "WE" when its clear that humanity as a whole does not just automatically agree. How can you know something is right or wrong?
@creationcenterTV Your persecution of Christians proves you to be a hypocrite since you are causing pain and suffering to people by calling them names and acting like a pompous ass. You have no credibaility or any proper evidence to support your claims.
@creationcenterTV I said you are acting like a pompous ass becuase the evidence shows it. Look at your arrogant insulting comments and your flee from actually proving your claim.
Good job Chad.. Your time was not wasted... All the time spent with that guy was time that others didn't have to spend getting brainwashed by his confusing worldview.
99 percent of atheists here on youtube have a position which consists of not knowing what their actual position is. I suggest to the atheists here, before they humiliate themselves to actually lookup what their position suggests.
Comparative genome studies suggest that even the simplest gene could not evolve by duplication, transposition etc... even if 10 ^ 35 years were given.
Life came into being not through a single source but multiple sources, seperate and distinct.
The atheist God of chance is completely insufficient to create anything but negligent changes of variation, and not new body plans and complex specified functions.
The atheist position is completely flawed, logically and scientifically.
What you need to realize is that in order to determine that Jesus actually atoned in a saving way for an unbeliever is if he repents. Everyone for whom Jesus is their substitute will be born-again by the Spirit. Repentance in no way cause the new-birth, but rather the new-birth causes repentance.
I Feel that in my heart Chad touched Mikes soul it sure touched mine. So wonderful bringing glory to Christ as I hope it brings salvation to Mike. Chad, God's spirit is in you and that is undeniable. God Bless you Both.
With wise and persuasive words we shall win the world to Christ!!! Amen.
Oh wait...1 Corinthians 2.4-5 4 "My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power."
"Logic" and reason are good but not when I'm using them to simply 'win' and argument. Tossing in the gospel message at the end doesn't change the previous 40+mins.
I love how the CHRISTIAN bigot is bitching for the atheist to provide facts and logic meanwhile this man parades his BIBLE everywhere expecting us to believe that a woman was made from the rib of a man made of dirt. Reading the bible is about as intellectually fortifying as reading the Chronicles of Narnia. They're comparably the same bull.
The Bible is entirely hearsay. No one that wrote the Bible was around and scribbling down exactly what Jesus said. It is like a game of Telephone, really.
The atheist position posits that "life" (first self-replicating cell) was randomly created from a chemical soup billions of years ago and subsequently evolved randomly and guided by natural selection.
@logicCplusplus DIRT is not alive. Why are you all such idiots?! Even if you don't side with the atheist, to say that being made from a LIVING cell and being made from dirt are essentially the same thing, is absurd. DIRT does not have organs, it does not breathe, it does not think, nor eat, because it is DIRT. A cell, however, does. Your argument is invalid.
Your stupidity amazes me. Even the simplest cell is massively complex, and I never compared it to dirt. I'll repeat what I wrote: "that "life" (first self-replicating cell) was randomly created from a chemical soup billions of years ago".
That means that the cell was essentially created from dirt byproducts before it became a living cell, and before subsequent life could evolve. Understand?
@logicCplusplus Lol. You're still trying to say that living things came from nonliving things. Which is what the Bible says in saying that man was made of dirt. Why don't you all get day jobs, instead of swallowing the Bible and spitting it out at everyone. Street preachers with no regard for anyone are the reason most people don't respect religion anyway. Jesus preached and let people come to him, and if they didn't want to, oh well. He didn't badger people to do something they didn't want to.
At one point in time, living matter (cell and so on) must have been non-living matter. Similarily, a car can be reduced to metals and plastics. Via engineering, design and assembly lines these plastics and metals could be transformed into a drivable vehicle. The atheist position is that living matter transformed itself into living matter, without guidance, intelligence, engineering, foresight etc...The atheist position takes more blind faith than the position that God created it.
@pwhittingham It's worse than that, if you do not repent and put your total trust in Jesus Christ you will be gnashing your teeth in severe torment. Nobody ever argued with God and won.:)
@pwhittingham The only payment god the don is interested in is if you pray to him. He donts give a shit if your a nice person or an arsehole. You can be a mass murderer and repent on your deathbed and your into heaven. But, if your a really nice person all your life but dont beleive in god, then its straight to hell for you.
This god is clearly an egomaniac. Why would anyone follow that ?
umm when i started to watch this from 3/5 first i tought left side guy is an atheist, because he wont let rightside guy answer,explain and just askes some idiotic questions. Right side guy is totally more intelligent
The god botherer on the left is wrong. He simply comes from a position of "god is real" without ever proving that, and then just hangs his whole argument on this point
Morals dont come from god. Morals come from what a society accepts. This is why cannabalistic tribes thought that eating people was ok.. Because their society agrred with it. .
100 years ago it was considered immoral for women to show their ankle. Now that idea is laughed at
@Follower172 But there is proof. There have been tribal societies where cannabalism was accepted. The concept of "thou shall not kill" was not part of the society. There has been cultures where having sex with someone else wife has been morraly acceptable
There is an underlying theme of not commiting murder or harming others because if we all killed each other, we wouldnt survive. You dont need a god to tell you that. Man is a social animal. We group, and without others there is no group
@podoau there is proof? you just said that there is no concept of thou shalt not...but you also say that there is an underlying theme of not hurting each other or commiting murder...that underlying theme is precisely what Romans 1 talks about. you are just taking something and calling something else. that isn't proof. that is evidence that there is a universality of morals. the christian didn't say that all morals are the same with everyone. people without the bible show the evidence ..
@Follower172 I was pointing out that being nice to each other is a survival instinct. However, some societies have morals that are not in line with your bible morals, and they do very nicely.
The fact that its mentioned in Romans doesnt mean your god is responsible. Those morals existed well before your bible was written.
Christians just take something that already existed and tried to call it their own
@podoau so...it is okay that you just call being nice to each other a "survival instinct" based on what? you are doing the same thing, that was my point. you do the same thing you accuse me of doing. And I didn't argue that the bible gave men morals, I argued that God wrote his law on our hearts, and that is why we find an underlying morality all over the earth.
@Follower172 First you need to prove that god exists before you claim that god "wrote his law on our hearts"
Being nice to each is part of living in a society. If we werent nice to each other we would either have killed ourselves off, or we would be living in solitude.
The god botherer on the left is wrong. He simply comes from a position of "god is real" without ever proving that, and then just hangs his whole argument on this point
Morals dont come from god. Morals come from what a society accepts. This is why cannabalistic tribes thought that eating peole was ok.. Because their society agrred with it. .
The Atheist (Mike) went from being angry and foul mouthed to listening intently as Chad went through the Gospel message. I can only speculate that it was the "Law of God" that stopped his mouth. - "that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God." (Romans 3:19).
As for the apologetics. They were superbly used by Chad. Mike may be an intelligent person, but his educational accomplishments failed to support him in this debate. Great job Chad.
@BrushArborBaptist Chad said nothing to convict Mike. He skipped step 1 and went straight to step 2. You cannot scare us with wrath and hellfire if you do not prove to us that wrath and hellfire exist.
The reason Mike got silent is because he was giving Chad a chance to speak.
@Jewgubu Looks to me that the athiest came to the Christians spot to contradict Christ, but got smashed by their own contradictions. Back up athiest because where ever a Christian stands in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, is Holy ground.
@BrushArborBaptist There were several moments in the previous portion when Mike let Chad speak. Foul mouthed because he said the F- word once? Tell me which is worse pride or a foul mouth? Anyone can give the gospel message...show me someone who gives it with humility and compassion then I will see a greater reflection of Christ and less of them. 1Peter 3.15 'yet do it with gentleness and respect' You think telling someone, "I didn't ask for a commentary" exhibits this?
@BrushArborBaptist I believe in his heart he desires to know Christ as Lord. I sense the unbeliever has alot of pride and anger but the authority of Gods words arrested all folly and exposed the error in his position... The young minister did a great job shifting gears as the debate evolved and most importantly he brought it home.... I believe that Mike (the unbeliever) will open his heart someday to know Jesus!!!
I think it's notable that Atheists keep coming back to listen to apologetics... you'd think if they were really SURE of their beliefs that they would have better things to do.
BUT: The truth is WAY DEEP DOWN they want to believe in God, and to know Him, because that's what they were created for - though they vehemently deny it.
what kind of terrible person creates evil and then a hell to torture people who lived good lives, but didnt believe in jesus? seriously people, u r horrible at defending a horrible religion that is subjective to whatever god wants for his little puppet people
Atheists best tool for debate is the "Flying Spagehtti monster". I applaud my fellow christian brother for having such great patience talking to such an ignorant fool. hopefully he go's home and decides to belive on our creater, and savior. Amen.
@danlublock the atheists best tool for debate is the primacy of existance which is the undefeatable arguement, atheists can find this aand a multitude of other tools for the athest at bahnsenburner.blogspot.com this presup arguement is a joke van til is a joke and bahnsen is a joke and many christians call them heretics anyway!!!!!!
From 1:10 he starts asserting all kinds of crap. You can insert any name (like the Flying Spaghetti Monster) . I would take it he would not believe in the FSM if I started saying all that..
I finally had the chance to watch all 5 parts of this series. Praise God for the gift of the Holy Spirit Who dwells in you. Tears were streaming down my face when you were able to give Mike the Gospel message. I was really struggling with my attitude towards Mike up to that point. The Gospel made me once again realize that I also fall so short of the glory of God. I'm sorry for my prior feelings toward Mike. I repent & am praying for him. Very valuable!!!!! Thanks Chad!!!!
@theembracedofgod thats all I want as well, I feel I've been consistent. Also your welcome, I recently realized how many posts you had on this video and was really impressed by the volume of responses your posting. By all means keep it up :D!
God designed Hell for the devil unfortunately all those who don't desire God and scream out in hatred at God are given their desire to be there also. Doesn't God desire all to be righteous yet we spit in the presents of His name? Perhaps you think you are righteous because you judge God when in fact all have fallen short of His glory. even me God gave man choice, we made that choice- to be wicked There is a alternative though and its only through Christ.
@rationalresponder Chad to God be the Glory i have to commend you the manner in which you handled this guy. it is ironic how most atheist turn to sacarism and personal assaults when cornered with their own reasoning and logic to reconsider their premise; that is not as Black & White as they see it...God Bless
"I don't actually have any real response so I'll offer a one liner that will make me appear to have the high ground."
enjoy your unicorn fairies delusional person. This isn't an insult, I'm just pointing out that after I read your comments, my understanding wasn't progressed in any meaningful way.
I invite anyone to break it down for me, what did theembraceofgod say besides "lol, you don't believe what I do."?
I'm sorry that you have to read into my comment statements I'm not saying.
This is what you call circular strawman due to your illogical vendetta and resentment for God- funny how religious you are in attacking God when He simply doesn't exist according to your "worldview".
I welcome you to a debate, but clearly your ignorance gets in the way and doesn't allow you to function correctly when responding so it could be fruitless.
Why don't you explain what you did say then. The only thing I got out of that is that I am a fool (which is an insult) for not believing in a (christian) god. Although they are not your words, you still chose them to repeat, so they are your responsiblity in how you direct them.
I don't resent your (christian) god, you and i dare say anyone else would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he exists before I could have a real chance to resent him. (cont)
I'm not going to disagree with what you said about me calling you a "fool".... the word I did use was "ignorance". I'm not trying to disrespect your personal being, but address the "worldview" you embrace which is simply foolish based on its logic.
give allowance for a functional standard, a fair standard.
lets think about this/ let us reason-
I believe we were created
you believe we arrived from natural causes
could you explain how matter exists because it exists?
@theembracedofgod My "worldview" is a rejection of your supernatural deity. I'm not asserting that a god doesn't exist. I'm asserting that your christian god doesn't exist. Based on a complete lack of evidence. If you have something beyond a personal experience and book written by man to control his fellow men that would rock.
Never in any of my responses was I raising an issue of what I believe, neither did I ever tell you I was a Christian. This argument is "does a deity exist" and if He did "would he reveal himself to us in a way we would know him". Maybe you have some protest towards the Christian God, however, that isn't what is being asked of you. If you want to make a claim about 66 books containing the writings of many men over the course of 6000 years being used to control men, then I'd challenge you on that
as for your question. I do not know how matter came to exist. I have no idea, but when I come across sufficient evidence to support an explanation I'll be completely helpless but to believe it, either because it is clearly evident that it is true or it is the best model that explains. (which in fact could be replaced by a better working model (model = scientific theory).
also plz note, I'm comfortable with a "I don't know" as an answer. Whats your answer to your own Q?.
So to answer my question, you "don't know" how matter exists because it exists. So would you agree that you wouldn't then believe that "matter exists because it exists"?
I've spoken to a number of atheists that claim they have absolute knowledge about origins, however, they also claim there isn't "absolute knowledge" when you actually engage them.
I would highly recommend using scientific theory to base your ideas, it gives explanations but never answers the question.
Both fail. This was a waste of time.
bloodties1 1 month ago
Great argument - although the majority of it focused on the agnostics complete unwillingness to conclude the law of non contradiction was rational|universal - you held him down on this, nice job.
Unorthodox5000 1 month ago
Man this is how every argument between a Christian and Atheist should end.
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lol good on you rationalresponder the agnostic lent an ear for a while .. a good days work
6gunwalker 1 month ago
You rocked it, Chad!
ChristineLV 1 month ago
@grayspot00
Really? The cussing didn't tip you off?
YodaAwesome 3 months ago
epic. love how you ended it with the gospel
Erap1muzik 3 months ago
It took five videos for me to figure out which one was the Christian, because Jesus was never mentioned. Lot's of dead cats in boxes, five dollar bills, etc, but not Jesus.
Something is wrong here...
greyspot00 4 months ago
@rymjalka, no i do not believe caesar, but when in contrast with Jesus... smh... i can absolutely say Jesus (according to all available knowledge) lived, behaved, and died in accordance to the biblical character of God. unfortunately for caesar, he did not live, behave, and die in accordance to the religious character of venus god of love. smh your comparison is actually no comparison at all smh.... and in response to your circumcision comment, are you suggesting that all doctors are pedophiles?
TheHairluver 4 months ago
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Bolagh 6 months ago
mike is going to HELL
LYDIA21LOVE 7 months ago
@LYDIA21LOVE That's something you would never wish on anyone.
DanSVT03 4 months ago
Mike misunderstood Schrodinger's cat. The cat is only alive AND dead because assuming something that is entirely 50:50 to be true is utter foolishness.
Got to say I rather enjoyed that. Great to see Chad preach the good news at the end of the debate.
Oh yeah and I loved how fidgety Mike was and how calm Chad was. (God is good :))
alliterationgonemad 7 months ago 2
How do you go from the transcendental argument to scripture and the standard of Christ? There is a lot of argument in between the deistic God and the Trinitarian God of the Christian scriptures. The atheist spent way to long with unnecessary push back to the laws of logic.
xxsolascripturaxx 8 months ago
Longsuffering in action.
Bigjon145 8 months ago 2
The Lord has blessed you with a great mind! I'm so impressed how you were able to keep everything so straight!
Brie217 9 months ago
I think Christians looking at this should start praying for Mr. Mike. Pray that he finds out the truth before it's too late.
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
@EldarionLovesJESUS Too late for what?
TheGamanic 9 months ago
@TheGamanic too late for him to repent.
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
@EldarionLovesJESUS Repent for what?
TheGamanic 9 months ago
@TheGamanic his sins and accept Christ into his heart.
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
@EldarionLovesJESUS Why?
TheGamanic 9 months ago
@TheGamanic or he will go where guilty people go. um...did you listen to the video?
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
@EldarionLovesJESUS You mean that lovely treat that this lovely, omnipotent deity has given him? Where he burns in hell for eternity which this "benelovent" deity has created for him, having been tossed into a lake of fire and endlessly tortured?And he gets all of this for a mere difference in theological viewpoint? There is nothing guilty with being born and living a life. Is this an evil person?
TheGamanic 9 months ago
@TheGamanic God didn't create hell, man did. By rebelling against God we can no longer be with him but apart from him.
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
@EldarionLovesJESUS Don't bullshit. God created hell! That is a mainstay of Christian theology!
TheGamanic 9 months ago
@TheGamanic Please don't use language. Why did then did God create hell?
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
@EldarionLovesJESUS Because he's evil and likes to see people tortured for infinity for a finite crime....
TheGamanic 9 months ago
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@TheGamanic God does not 'like' to see people go to hell. 2 Peter says 3:9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." We choose where we are going for eternity. We have sinned against God so He could send us to Hell. But He loves us so he gave a way out through Jesus.
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
@TheGamanic (I didn't have enough room in my last comment so this is continued) that is Love, He had no reason to die for us except that He loved us and did NOT want us to go to Hell.
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
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rjmnalka 8 months ago
@TheGamanic But you don't believe He is real.. so why are you saying that He's evil? Do you argue the character of superman or spiderman? I should hope not, because they aren't real. Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it go away. Heaven is real, God is real, and Hell is real. You have a choice my friend to accept the free gift and love offering that God provided for you thru His Son Jesus. You can rant and rave all you want, but you're going to face him when you die!
rjmnalka 8 months ago
@rjmnalka It is hypothetical, if he were real, he would be evil, which would negate his existence any way because one of his properties is omnibenelovence. Again you have to prove that such a god exists, which is more or less futile. It is a matter of faith, and for a rational human being, believing something without any good evidence is illogical. For intents and purposes you might as well say you meet Zeus when you die!
TheGamanic 8 months ago
@TheGamanic The evidence that there is a God is all around you. There's no creation without a creator such as there's no painting without a painter...that is common sense. There's only one right answer .. which is the law of non-contradiction. Jesus Christ existed, that is a historical fact. He had followers that witnessed his death and ressurection. We have manuscript evidence, dead sea scrolls, etc. He is mocked. His name is used as a curse word. And yet He died for us in our place!
rjmnalka 8 months ago
@rjmnalka The problem with the painting/painter analogy is that you can see the painter, you can talk to him, touch him, unlike god. It is an awful analogy, especially in the hands of a creationist. "Jesus Christ existed, that is a historical fact"- he probably did, but that does not make him the son of god, just as many others have said they are descended from deities or were ones. Caesar said he was descended from the god of love, Venus? Believe him too?
TheGamanic 8 months ago
@TheGamanic A few interesting facts from the bible. The ratio used to build Noah's ark is used by the navy today. Circumcising babies on the eigth day (found in Genesis and Exodus) is now discovered to be the perfect time to circumcise a child. There are over 400 prophecies about the coming of Jesus written between 400 and several thousand years before He came. All written by men that had never met. The odds of that are 1 and 10 to the 157th power -by Josh Mcdowell *mathematician. Good luck
rjmnalka 8 months ago
@rjmnalka Where are you getting this data from with Noah's ark? Source please? Plus even if Noah's ark is used today, it doesn't gloss over the fact that no way would it be able to house all the world's animals, which was its aim, it would have been woefully undersized?
and . Ahh yes circumcision, genital pedophilic mutilation, there is always a perfect time for that...
TheGamanic 8 months ago
@TheGamanic You have a choice to make before you die. You can accept the free gift of salvation thru Jesus Christ., or you can spit on HIm and what He did for you. God isn't going to force you to be with Him. If you don't like what God did or does, then don't put your faith and trust in Jesus., that's your free will. Either way, you're going to die like the rest of us, no matter what your belief is. Jesus Saves! He is the ONLY way. You're choice to deny Him or humbly accept Him
rjmnalka 8 months ago
@rjmnalka I choose to "deny" him because there is insufficient evidence for that particular deity. Therefore I don't believe. Simple. If he wants to punish me eternally for believing him, despite the startling lack of evidence for its existence, that is his choice, but it shows him to be a monster not a benelovent god
TheGamanic 8 months ago
@TheGamanic But that's just the thing.. He doesn't want to punish you, which is exactly why He sent His one and only son to die for you and in your place. Now imagine that if your son/daughter/wife/mother/father died for someone else, and the person they died for said, I don't accept what he/she did because I don't like certain things about them... how upset would you be? He already Saved you... but you're saying "I don't want it" ... so He'll give you just that. eternal seperation from Him!
rjmnalka 8 months ago
@rjmnalka So because a woman ate an apple from a tree, which she didn't know was wrong because she didn't have the knowledge to make that decision, the rest of humanity, billions of people, had to suffer massively, and to correct this, this god kills his son who happens to rise from the dead like a zombie (like many other gods at the time who were resurrected) to rectify the mistake this omniscient, omnipotent god has made, and the only way these events can be known about is in a single book?
TheGamanic 8 months ago
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@TheGamanic or he will go where guilty people go. um...did you listen to the video? no offense
EldarionLovesJESUS 9 months ago
Dear god, that atheist is a moron. The xian puts forward a version of TAG and he can't even debunk it. And that nonsense at the end...... if you believe, THEN you will KNOW. LOL.
TAG being DESTROYED by a clever atheist. ....... watch?v=rb1mfKJU6bo
By the way, any god that punishes someone for eternity for looking at a girls bum is a total loonie and i would not worship such an evil creature even if i KNEW it existed.
emelianenkoo 9 months ago
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John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
The love has been given, don't let it pass you, love is patient, it is waiting for you, God is waiting.
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Juan 3:16 "Porque de tal manera amo Dios al mundo, que ha dado a su hijo unegito, para que todo aquel que en el cree, no se pierda mas tega vida eterna."
El amor ya es dado, no lo deje pasar, amor es paciente, te esta esperando, Dios te espera.
EternallyShikaku 9 months ago
Wow, I pray the Lord will make me a bold as Chad. GREAT JOB CHAD! I praised God for this!
xchampx 10 months ago
Chad you had alot of fire power in your faith! God Bless You and spread the word of God!
MrXDr3AMZx 10 months ago
Comfort and all his christians would be great car salesmen. Whenever you engage in "debate" with them, they pile a bunch of assertions and bible quotes on you so you don't know where to start debunking anything, then they continue babbling on about eternal punishment and how nice that genocidal wrathful eternal father of the bible really is.
Don't fool yourself into thinking they are great at "spreading the word". This works for all religions. And car salesmen.
ac1th 11 months ago
@ac1th Couldn't agree with you more. They just use the shotgun method, give you tons of fallacious arguments which take ages to debunk, then they stop you half way through and then spout out some more crap. If you don't immediatedly debunk one of their arguments, they think you have failed and so believe they actually won by the end when all they have really done is bombard assertions at you and scaring people instead of using logic
TheGamanic 10 months ago
@TheGamanic Then why don't you debunk his 'fallacious arguments' here then, you have all the time in the world without any interuptions. Even the atheist in this video had to admit that nothing is absolute, according to his world view.
Bewareofthewolves 9 months ago
Regardless of who was right, it was a very interesting and cool to watch discussion. An hour just flew by! Cheers.
XaviNL 11 months ago 2
That was the most reasonable atheist I've heard of in years. Mike, if you're out there, When all is said and done, you're sitting on the side of your bed trying to shuffle the pieces of insanity into something that makes sense, theres always the simple truth only you and God know. That's the place where you can hear God and He can hear you and repentance is just being real. So, be real.
lederereddy 11 months ago
@lederereddy How was he in any way reasonable?
DanSVT03 11 months ago
Chad, I hope you realize that there are many people who feel like they've never done anything wrong. They are called psychopaths and they make up a large majority of history's serial killers.
JohnDoeBand1 11 months ago
@JohnDoeBand1 "They're called psychopaths and they make up a large majority of history's serial killers"
Captain Crunch, included!!! I'm sure you read about the mass murder of Snap, Crackle and Pop? Tony the Tiger, maybe? The Captain's the only cereal killer to ever drown all his victims in milk, then eat them alive!!!
lederereddy 11 months ago
If any of you want to know what Cognitive Dissonance looks like, the atheist in this video is a perfect example.
alanswindoll 11 months ago
You'll find that most "atheists" are angry people. They hate God and they hate Christians. These people are workers of Satan as they share the devils character as well. Satan hates God and hates humanity in general. Most "atheists" will deny God until their dead, because of their pride and their hateful and sinful heart. If you don't believe that "atheists" are angry people, just scroll down through the comments, and you'll see Satan's character living through these "atheists."
eichoob2105 1 year ago
yes, everything is just a simple chemical reaction. god DOES NOT EXIST.
islamic dudes marry 10 year old girls. is that moraly acceptable? clearly, its even written in their holy book. just go check out the many societys have existed that aproved this kind of things.
no remorse at all. know anything about wars? obviously you dont. please go die in a fire.
amierdolo 1 year ago
@amierdolo Islam does not follow the Bible. Some red flags that come from the Quran is that they say Jesus was not crucified. When in fact, historians Flavius Josephus and Greek writer Lucian (just to name a few) have confirmed that Jesus was in fact crucified. And the Quran requires violence and Jihad (holy war). Muslims are sinners. The only way to be cleaned from your sins is to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.
teamvictorairsoft 11 months ago
@teamvictorairsoft you clearly did not understand my simple comment. its about relativism. just because kirk cameron thinks relativism is wrong doesnt make that true.
its just simple, by seeing how the top mind of livingwaters club confuses chances and uncertainties with contradictions.
i'll keep enjoying my life. u can stick to let ray, kirk and mr "fightedforyourfreedom" live out of scam and deceit.
btw, did u know the christian guy in this video participated in a murder?
amierdolo 11 months ago
@amierdolo You can believe what you want. But just remember that there could be, and I whole heartedly believe there are, consequences to it.
btw, did you know that the blood of Jesus Christ pardons any sins (including that supposed murder)?
teamvictorairsoft 11 months ago
Outstanding job. Amen Amen . I can tell god sent chad specifically for mike.
AaronTrutsJC 1 year ago
3:52 Mike loses the microphone - crowd cheers!
chubbygoat 1 year ago
very good, brother :)
Petriealright 1 year ago
Moral Atheism just doesnt make any sense.
MaharlikaAWA 1 year ago 15
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@MaharlikaAWA
"Moral Atheism just doesnt make any sense."
why do you think this, im an atheist and im a moral person.
TheLunarmonkey 6 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA
Why not?
creationcenterTV 1 month ago
@creationcenterTV Morality does not exist if there is no God. It would be an anything goes universe. There is no judgment either for wickedness because then wickedness would not exist. It would be subjective.
MaharlikaAWA 1 month ago
@MaharlikaAWA
That's not true at all. We don't need god to know what would hurt and cause pain for our fellow humans. Morality comes from the human experience and religion hijacked it from humanity. You'd have to be incredibly blind and stupid to think that if there is no god then it would be okay to murder others.
creationcenterTV 1 month ago
@creationcenterTV Who are you to force your opinio on others? We know what causes pain and hurts other people but no one can tell you it is wrong to do such things. There is no authority or law. You can do what you want. You simply choose not to but then you force your ideas and morality on another person based on your own opinion and not any objective truth. Also nice ad hominem tagged on the end of your argument.
MaharlikaAWA 1 month ago
@MaharlikaAWA
If something you do causes people to suffer, then it IS wrong. You don't need a deity to tell you this.
No, there's no dictator. Knowing that stealing, cheating, lying, killing etc. are wrong is universal and not just my opinion you fool.
creationcenterTV 1 month ago
@creationcenterTV Now you are calling me a fool as if it helps your pathetic argument look true. By what standard, by who's standard is something labeled right or wrong? Your own? Your own subjective opinion? Can you prove that right and wrong are unherently universal traits? What evidence supports this?
MaharlikaAWA 1 month ago
@MaharlikaAWA
If god was tried before basic laws of morality, he would have to go to hell wouldn't he? For murder and tyranny. I don't know how you can't see that we would know murder and theft are wrong without a holy book. Can't help you.
creationcenterTV 1 month ago
@creationcenterTV So basically you admit defeat because you have no ability to prove that right and wrong exist and that they are universal for all people. So basically you are wrong. ok then.
MaharlikaAWA 1 month ago
@MaharlikaAWA
That's what I've been saying if you bothered to read. Whatever causes suffering and pain for our species we regard as wrong. No need for a divine agent or holy book.
And I'm not admitting defeat. It's extremely torturous trying to have a discussion with a brainwashed bigot like yourself.
creationcenterTV 1 month ago
@creationcenterTV The one who is brainwashed is you. All you are doing is arguing with logical fallacies and you make absolutely no sense!
Its not true that all people think "whatever causes suffering and pain for our species is wrong." History proves humanity doesnt agree with you. Look at all the wars and kilings all over even today. Now what authority tells us one thing is wrong and one thing isnt? because not all humans would even agree.
MaharlikaAWA 1 month ago
@MaharlikaAWA
No need for a divine agent to know those are wrong. It's true people have committed them (ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN A DIVINE AGENT) but that doesn't mean we are lost and can't decide if murder or theft are wrong.
creationcenterTV 1 month ago
@creationcenterTV Who decides murder or theft is wrong? And why? Stop just saying "WE" when its clear that humanity as a whole does not just automatically agree. How can you know something is right or wrong?
MaharlikaAWA 1 month ago
@creationcenterTV Your persecution of Christians proves you to be a hypocrite since you are causing pain and suffering to people by calling them names and acting like a pompous ass. You have no credibaility or any proper evidence to support your claims.
MaharlikaAWA 1 month ago
@MaharlikaAWA
Haha! You called me a hypocrite for calling you names and then went on to call me an "ass". Your intellectual deficiency is entertaining. Keep at it!
creationcenterTV 1 month ago
@creationcenterTV I said you are acting like a pompous ass becuase the evidence shows it. Look at your arrogant insulting comments and your flee from actually proving your claim.
MaharlikaAWA 1 month ago
I like listening to Chad! It makes sense!
NOTHGIF 1 year ago 2
Well done Chad. Good presentation, you kept your cool and effectively displayed truth and logic.
Falkon85 1 year ago
Good job Chad.. Your time was not wasted... All the time spent with that guy was time that others didn't have to spend getting brainwashed by his confusing worldview.
THEHRHOFTIME 1 year ago
99 percent of atheists here on youtube have a position which consists of not knowing what their actual position is. I suggest to the atheists here, before they humiliate themselves to actually lookup what their position suggests.
Start with the God of chance.
logicCplusplus 1 year ago
@logicCplusplus fuck that sadistic fuck.
amierdolo 1 year ago
Comparative genome studies suggest that even the simplest gene could not evolve by duplication, transposition etc... even if 10 ^ 35 years were given.
Life came into being not through a single source but multiple sources, seperate and distinct.
The atheist God of chance is completely insufficient to create anything but negligent changes of variation, and not new body plans and complex specified functions.
The atheist position is completely flawed, logically and scientifically.
logicCplusplus 1 year ago
What you need to realize is that in order to determine that Jesus actually atoned in a saving way for an unbeliever is if he repents. Everyone for whom Jesus is their substitute will be born-again by the Spirit. Repentance in no way cause the new-birth, but rather the new-birth causes repentance.
TCMAO0 1 year ago
The Christian in this video did a very good job and never once lost his cool. God bless you and this witness account.
excatholics 1 year ago 36
Chad was a genious. Your patience was honorable. Great job!
gomitch2 1 year ago 2
Chad humbly pleaded with you Mike.
MsDezzyzRayz 1 year ago
I Feel that in my heart Chad touched Mikes soul it sure touched mine. So wonderful bringing glory to Christ as I hope it brings salvation to Mike. Chad, God's spirit is in you and that is undeniable. God Bless you Both.
MsDezzyzRayz 1 year ago
With wise and persuasive words we shall win the world to Christ!!! Amen.
Oh wait...1 Corinthians 2.4-5 4 "My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power."
"Logic" and reason are good but not when I'm using them to simply 'win' and argument. Tossing in the gospel message at the end doesn't change the previous 40+mins.
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
Ey brother that was a good message for him. GOD Bless & Peace! Happy New Year!
LordsLight 1 year ago
absolute bull! atheist position wins all the time!
tljenkin 1 year ago
I love how the CHRISTIAN bigot is bitching for the atheist to provide facts and logic meanwhile this man parades his BIBLE everywhere expecting us to believe that a woman was made from the rib of a man made of dirt. Reading the bible is about as intellectually fortifying as reading the Chronicles of Narnia. They're comparably the same bull.
The Bible is entirely hearsay. No one that wrote the Bible was around and scribbling down exactly what Jesus said. It is like a game of Telephone, really.
ohcaramaria 1 year ago
@ohcaramaria
The atheist position posits that "life" (first self-replicating cell) was randomly created from a chemical soup billions of years ago and subsequently evolved randomly and guided by natural selection.
Therefore, we are essentially made from dirt.
logicCplusplus 1 year ago
@logicCplusplus DIRT is not alive. Why are you all such idiots?! Even if you don't side with the atheist, to say that being made from a LIVING cell and being made from dirt are essentially the same thing, is absurd. DIRT does not have organs, it does not breathe, it does not think, nor eat, because it is DIRT. A cell, however, does. Your argument is invalid.
ohcaramaria 1 year ago
@ohcaramaria
Your stupidity amazes me. Even the simplest cell is massively complex, and I never compared it to dirt. I'll repeat what I wrote: "that "life" (first self-replicating cell) was randomly created from a chemical soup billions of years ago".
That means that the cell was essentially created from dirt byproducts before it became a living cell, and before subsequent life could evolve. Understand?
Probably not.
logicCplusplus 1 year ago
@logicCplusplus Lol. You're still trying to say that living things came from nonliving things. Which is what the Bible says in saying that man was made of dirt. Why don't you all get day jobs, instead of swallowing the Bible and spitting it out at everyone. Street preachers with no regard for anyone are the reason most people don't respect religion anyway. Jesus preached and let people come to him, and if they didn't want to, oh well. He didn't badger people to do something they didn't want to.
ohcaramaria 1 year ago
@ohcaramaria
At one point in time, living matter (cell and so on) must have been non-living matter. Similarily, a car can be reduced to metals and plastics. Via engineering, design and assembly lines these plastics and metals could be transformed into a drivable vehicle. The atheist position is that living matter transformed itself into living matter, without guidance, intelligence, engineering, foresight etc...The atheist position takes more blind faith than the position that God created it.
logicCplusplus 1 year ago 4
Amen, you a bad you know what, Im gonna use that one, Amen, Amen, Praise GOD
mrsgmason 1 year ago
Great job Chad. Lord please bless him with more wisdom knowledge and understanding to use for your glory.:)
7777albina 1 year ago
Mike is mad because this dude won't let him talk.
hotpopcorncake 1 year ago
Yep God the ultimate Don i DONT WANNA BREAK YOUR LEGS, BUT IF YOU DONT MAKE ME PAYMENTS. I GOTTA BREAK YOUR LEGS.
pwhittingham 1 year ago
@pwhittingham It's worse than that, if you do not repent and put your total trust in Jesus Christ you will be gnashing your teeth in severe torment. Nobody ever argued with God and won.:)
7777albina 1 year ago
@pwhittingham The only payment god the don is interested in is if you pray to him. He donts give a shit if your a nice person or an arsehole. You can be a mass murderer and repent on your deathbed and your into heaven. But, if your a really nice person all your life but dont beleive in god, then its straight to hell for you.
This god is clearly an egomaniac. Why would anyone follow that ?
podoau 1 year ago
Have you ever wet the bed then you are a bed wetter. THIS IS FREAKIN STUPID
pwhittingham 1 year ago
umm when i started to watch this from 3/5 first i tought left side guy is an atheist, because he wont let rightside guy answer,explain and just askes some idiotic questions. Right side guy is totally more intelligent
orcdeter 1 year ago
The god botherer on the left is wrong. He simply comes from a position of "god is real" without ever proving that, and then just hangs his whole argument on this point
Morals dont come from god. Morals come from what a society accepts. This is why cannabalistic tribes thought that eating people was ok.. Because their society agrred with it. .
100 years ago it was considered immoral for women to show their ankle. Now that idea is laughed at
podoau 1 year ago
@podoau aren't you just hanging all your argument here on the position that morality comes from what a society accepts, without ever proving it?
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 But there is proof. There have been tribal societies where cannabalism was accepted. The concept of "thou shall not kill" was not part of the society. There has been cultures where having sex with someone else wife has been morraly acceptable
There is an underlying theme of not commiting murder or harming others because if we all killed each other, we wouldnt survive. You dont need a god to tell you that. Man is a social animal. We group, and without others there is no group
podoau 1 year ago
@podoau there is proof? you just said that there is no concept of thou shalt not...but you also say that there is an underlying theme of not hurting each other or commiting murder...that underlying theme is precisely what Romans 1 talks about. you are just taking something and calling something else. that isn't proof. that is evidence that there is a universality of morals. the christian didn't say that all morals are the same with everyone. people without the bible show the evidence ..
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 I was pointing out that being nice to each other is a survival instinct. However, some societies have morals that are not in line with your bible morals, and they do very nicely.
The fact that its mentioned in Romans doesnt mean your god is responsible. Those morals existed well before your bible was written.
Christians just take something that already existed and tried to call it their own
podoau 1 year ago
@podoau so...it is okay that you just call being nice to each other a "survival instinct" based on what? you are doing the same thing, that was my point. you do the same thing you accuse me of doing. And I didn't argue that the bible gave men morals, I argued that God wrote his law on our hearts, and that is why we find an underlying morality all over the earth.
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 First you need to prove that god exists before you claim that god "wrote his law on our hearts"
Being nice to each is part of living in a society. If we werent nice to each other we would either have killed ourselves off, or we would be living in solitude.
God has nothing to do with it
podoau 1 year ago
@podoau of God's law written on their hearts.
Follower172 1 year ago
The god botherer on the left is wrong. He simply comes from a position of "god is real" without ever proving that, and then just hangs his whole argument on this point
Morals dont come from god. Morals come from what a society accepts. This is why cannabalistic tribes thought that eating peole was ok.. Because their society agrred with it. .
podoau 1 year ago
Chad is the man!
redlinegw 1 year ago
The Atheist (Mike) went from being angry and foul mouthed to listening intently as Chad went through the Gospel message. I can only speculate that it was the "Law of God" that stopped his mouth. - "that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God." (Romans 3:19).
As for the apologetics. They were superbly used by Chad. Mike may be an intelligent person, but his educational accomplishments failed to support him in this debate. Great job Chad.
BrushArborBaptist 1 year ago 40
@BrushArborBaptist
Mike showed ZERO evidence of being educated in any way.
WorldWar4 1 year ago
@BrushArborBaptist Chad said nothing to convict Mike. He skipped step 1 and went straight to step 2. You cannot scare us with wrath and hellfire if you do not prove to us that wrath and hellfire exist.
The reason Mike got silent is because he was giving Chad a chance to speak.
Jewgubu 1 year ago 2
@Jewgubu Looks to me that the athiest came to the Christians spot to contradict Christ, but got smashed by their own contradictions. Back up athiest because where ever a Christian stands in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, is Holy ground.
yralm07 1 year ago
@Jewgubu It is not the mere wrath and hellfire, but the love of your Father in heaven waiting for you to grab His hand.
mattandpatti222 1 year ago
@BrushArborBaptist There were several moments in the previous portion when Mike let Chad speak. Foul mouthed because he said the F- word once? Tell me which is worse pride or a foul mouth? Anyone can give the gospel message...show me someone who gives it with humility and compassion then I will see a greater reflection of Christ and less of them. 1Peter 3.15 'yet do it with gentleness and respect' You think telling someone, "I didn't ask for a commentary" exhibits this?
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@BrushArborBaptist Amen to that!
FranksTechHelp 1 year ago
@BrushArborBaptist I believe in his heart he desires to know Christ as Lord. I sense the unbeliever has alot of pride and anger but the authority of Gods words arrested all folly and exposed the error in his position... The young minister did a great job shifting gears as the debate evolved and most importantly he brought it home.... I believe that Mike (the unbeliever) will open his heart someday to know Jesus!!!
MilitantMindedEnt 1 year ago
@MilitantMindedEnt ,
Amen to that!
flotopo 1 year ago
@BrushArborBaptist All Chad has to do is work on the Close,
ChristianArmorOfGod 1 year ago
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I think it's notable that Atheists keep coming back to listen to apologetics... you'd think if they were really SURE of their beliefs that they would have better things to do.
BUT: The truth is WAY DEEP DOWN they want to believe in God, and to know Him, because that's what they were created for - though they vehemently deny it.
Why?
With acknowledgement comes responsibility.
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
I sincerely hope that Mike took that message of Good News from Chad and was born again and is now able to see the stupidity of his argument. Peace.
1justpara 1 year ago
u cannot KNOW for SURE it is not FACT
actionjackson864 1 year ago
what is the point, of going out, using a reductio ad absurdum arguement to make people feel stupid? do u really think god has a hard on for u guys?
actionjackson864 1 year ago
@actionjackson864 no of course we don't think God has a hard on for us. Straw man.
RenegadeMaster07 1 year ago
@RenegadeMaster07 thats not a straw man...its a joke...thought that was obvious!
actionjackson864 1 year ago
@actionjackson864 well i didn't care for it :)
RenegadeMaster07 1 year ago
what kind of terrible person creates evil and then a hell to torture people who lived good lives, but didnt believe in jesus? seriously people, u r horrible at defending a horrible religion that is subjective to whatever god wants for his little puppet people
actionjackson864 1 year ago
@actionjackson864 But who determines whether or not these people are good or not? Who determines morality?
Seraph781 1 year ago
@Seraph781 look at the exchange between anonazero and I on the 4th vid of this series. I think that will clear it up.
actionjackson864 1 year ago
@actionjackson864 I like how no one came up to shake the athiest's hand. Score one for Christians!
tynytian 1 year ago
lol all gods are figments of your imagination...lol this arguement is so shallow...atheists wake up google dawson bethrick asap!!!!
actionjackson864 1 year ago
Atheists best tool for debate is the "Flying Spagehtti monster". I applaud my fellow christian brother for having such great patience talking to such an ignorant fool. hopefully he go's home and decides to belive on our creater, and savior. Amen.
danlublock 1 year ago
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@danlublock the atheists best tool for debate is the primacy of existance which is the undefeatable arguement, atheists can find this aand a multitude of other tools for the athest at bahnsenburner.blogspot.com this presup arguement is a joke van til is a joke and bahnsen is a joke and many christians call them heretics anyway!!!!!!
actionjackson864 1 year ago
From 1:10 he starts asserting all kinds of crap. You can insert any name (like the Flying Spaghetti Monster) . I would take it he would not believe in the FSM if I started saying all that..
ricoswerve1260 1 year ago
I finally had the chance to watch all 5 parts of this series. Praise God for the gift of the Holy Spirit Who dwells in you. Tears were streaming down my face when you were able to give Mike the Gospel message. I was really struggling with my attitude towards Mike up to that point. The Gospel made me once again realize that I also fall so short of the glory of God. I'm sorry for my prior feelings toward Mike. I repent & am praying for him. Very valuable!!!!! Thanks Chad!!!!
ThereseBrown 1 year ago 2
Im a Christian and i believe in God.But this Guy is a complete embarrassing.
RaytownSoClassof2010 1 year ago
@RaytownSoClassof2010
which guy?
TheObservationDeck 1 year ago
@TheObservationDeck i thought the big guy was the christian at first.srry
RaytownSoClassof2010 1 year ago
Heads up to all posters, theembraceofgod is hitting this forum up hard. post here and expect to be confronted.
SecularAmerican 1 year ago
@SecularAmerican
all I want is consistency. and a fair standard-
thanks mr american for the plug. ^.^
theembracedofgod 1 year ago
@theembracedofgod thats all I want as well, I feel I've been consistent. Also your welcome, I recently realized how many posts you had on this video and was really impressed by the volume of responses your posting. By all means keep it up :D!
(I encourage debate greatly)
SecularAmerican 1 year ago
God designed Hell for the devil unfortunately all those who don't desire God and scream out in hatred at God are given their desire to be there also. Doesn't God desire all to be righteous yet we spit in the presents of His name? Perhaps you think you are righteous because you judge God when in fact all have fallen short of His glory. even me God gave man choice, we made that choice- to be wicked There is a alternative though and its only through Christ.
theembracedofgod 1 year ago
Good Job, it felt like trying to get this agnostic to conform to logic was like trying to herd cats.
pretoshohmoofc 1 year ago
@rationalresponder Chad to God be the Glory i have to commend you the manner in which you handled this guy. it is ironic how most atheist turn to sacarism and personal assaults when cornered with their own reasoning and logic to reconsider their premise; that is not as Black & White as they see it...God Bless
PrinceSolomon82 1 year ago
I love that he handed the mike over. Awesome.
SeanG200 1 year ago
rape is an absolute crime, then why did god ( supposedly. ) order it against the midianites? if no one escapes will he send himself to hell?
and while this was a nice "if god exists your going to burn in hell" thing, I missed the part where he claimed how he knew all of this.
also please don't claim facts from a storybook, thanks.
and in case you don't see this trap
faith = belief without evidence so.... good luck! ^^
also I'm an ass by nature so buyer beware!
SecularAmerican 1 year ago
@SecularAmerican
lol.
The fool says in his heart there is no God.
this isn't a insult, its the wise saying of an individual who isn't educated nor well reasoned.
theembracedofgod 1 year ago
@theembracedofgod Here's all I read.
"I don't actually have any real response so I'll offer a one liner that will make me appear to have the high ground."
enjoy your unicorn fairies delusional person. This isn't an insult, I'm just pointing out that after I read your comments, my understanding wasn't progressed in any meaningful way.
I invite anyone to break it down for me, what did theembraceofgod say besides "lol, you don't believe what I do."?
SecularAmerican 1 year ago
@SecularAmerican
I'm sorry that you have to read into my comment statements I'm not saying.
This is what you call circular strawman due to your illogical vendetta and resentment for God- funny how religious you are in attacking God when He simply doesn't exist according to your "worldview".
I welcome you to a debate, but clearly your ignorance gets in the way and doesn't allow you to function correctly when responding so it could be fruitless.
theembracedofgod 1 year ago
@theembracedofgod
Why don't you explain what you did say then. The only thing I got out of that is that I am a fool (which is an insult) for not believing in a (christian) god. Although they are not your words, you still chose them to repeat, so they are your responsiblity in how you direct them.
I don't resent your (christian) god, you and i dare say anyone else would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he exists before I could have a real chance to resent him. (cont)
SecularAmerican 1 year ago
@SecularAmerican
I'm not going to disagree with what you said about me calling you a "fool".... the word I did use was "ignorance". I'm not trying to disrespect your personal being, but address the "worldview" you embrace which is simply foolish based on its logic.
give allowance for a functional standard, a fair standard.
lets think about this/ let us reason-
I believe we were created
you believe we arrived from natural causes
could you explain how matter exists because it exists?
theembracedofgod 1 year ago
@theembracedofgod My "worldview" is a rejection of your supernatural deity. I'm not asserting that a god doesn't exist. I'm asserting that your christian god doesn't exist. Based on a complete lack of evidence. If you have something beyond a personal experience and book written by man to control his fellow men that would rock.
(cont)
SecularAmerican 1 year ago
Never in any of my responses was I raising an issue of what I believe, neither did I ever tell you I was a Christian. This argument is "does a deity exist" and if He did "would he reveal himself to us in a way we would know him". Maybe you have some protest towards the Christian God, however, that isn't what is being asked of you. If you want to make a claim about 66 books containing the writings of many men over the course of 6000 years being used to control men, then I'd challenge you on that
theembracedofgod 1 year ago
@theembracedofgod
as for your question. I do not know how matter came to exist. I have no idea, but when I come across sufficient evidence to support an explanation I'll be completely helpless but to believe it, either because it is clearly evident that it is true or it is the best model that explains. (which in fact could be replaced by a better working model (model = scientific theory).
also plz note, I'm comfortable with a "I don't know" as an answer. Whats your answer to your own Q?.
SecularAmerican 1 year ago
@SecularAmerican
So to answer my question, you "don't know" how matter exists because it exists. So would you agree that you wouldn't then believe that "matter exists because it exists"?
I've spoken to a number of atheists that claim they have absolute knowledge about origins, however, they also claim there isn't "absolute knowledge" when you actually engage them.
I would highly recommend using scientific theory to base your ideas, it gives explanations but never answers the question.
theembracedofgod 1 year ago