You're right. I noticed this with quite a few college students. That is, they think they will live off their parent's purse for 3-4 years while drinking every other night and getting mere passing grades. Then suddenly, when they graduate, and receive their bachelor of business studies, they think they can waltz into any corporation and take over as CEO. Yet, these people seemed to be the ones always picking on other students for actually taking it seriously and NOT studying business. lol
Nope. I concurred exactly with everything he has just stated, and I am a sophomore. Its not just seniors that notice this, it's everyone who is not a complete retard (~30% of the students) from freshmen on up.
1. If you go into business courses the chances are you're not going to strike it rich because in business it's really about who you know rather than what you know (except when to run and hide your loot in offshore banks)
2. if you study engineering and computers you'll end up working as a "Dilbert" with no social life for some clueless, psycho boss.
3. If you study art and philosophy? Do you know how to live in a tent, shack or abandoned building and panhandle for cash?
Yea you can't expect that everyone is going to be where you are at with it..whether advanced or lagging or "just there"...but I loved your.."figure out what is best or true for you." Most people don't hear this enough..
@sellingmypokecards He said that they mentioned it was for an Entrepreneurial Class and you're usually required to have a business model, or some sort of plan that you're following. But to answer your question, no you don't need a model to sell random shit. However selling "random shit" as tooltime mentioned in his example wouldn't really have the greatest success rate.
I know what you mean, I want to major in philosphy also when I leave the military to attend school. I know a degree to move up in any job because thats what the standard is So I have to deal with it.
I go to college for engineering and the classes can be really tough sometimes. If you can teach yourself Fluid Mechanics at the library ... I'd be very impressed.
I also don't get the "college elitism" thing. An education is important no matter where you get it, even if it's not from a school. There are those who believe "oh, i'm going to a university, i'm smarter/better than those who go to community or other types of schools" ... no. It depends on what you put into it, not how expensive or fancy the college university is.
true, wish more people knew this. I'm in college now, but only because the jobs I want require a degree ... but yea. Steve Jobs never went to college, and he's a good example of success, I think.
@slim58769 Actually it is true some of the greatest minds in history were autodidacts most notably Leonardo da Vinci, Lovecraft, George Bernard Shaw, Frank Zappa, Buckminster Fuller, Benjamin Franklin, Malcolm X, and I could go on. Schools are basically being used to indoctrinate people to accept this bullshit not to mention rack up incredible amounts of debt so the bankers can get rich.
I used to hate reading in high school and just realized afterwards I actually love reading.I just could not stand some of the useless crap I had to read just to get a good grade. Examples-analyzing a poem in English class or memorizing tons of dates for a multiple choice quiz in History. Now I read like a motherfucker, history, economics, philosophy, horror, or whatever.
Excellent points, tooltime. It all depends on the person. If you already know how you can survive and it doesn't involve going to college, then by all means pursue whatever that is. I just think someone who doesn't really have a plan should at least take a few cheap community college classes as opposed to just sitting around wondering what to do. It's probably better to have some extra knowledge about anything at all than to just do nothing. But you pretty much nailed it in this video.
The worst part about college for me was grading. I worried so much about my grades when I went that I didn't bother to learn anything beyond the test. Since college, I've taught myself basic computer science and AI techniques, and I've learned them far better than anything I would have learned in college.
Signed ~ History Major turned computer programmer.
It would be nice if people could ban together and learn from one another. That's pretty much where the learning comes in college any way. A professor can only do so much. My chemistry professor is great, don't get me wrong but I use the book to teach myself. I copy notes but I don't use her notes for anything or even look at them lol. Problem is, I can't afford the books and we live in a credential based society, so having a degree is pretty much necessary, especially for the sciences.
This really came into my mind the other day in a unit I'm doing called 'Analysing comic books'. Suffice to say not everyone taking the class is interested in sequential art, but I was infuriated when a previous lecture on counter cultural comics was summed up by my fellow students by the reference made to taking acid during the era. Nevermind that he left his own rare comic books for them to peruse, instead they focus on the one off-colour aspect. Is even being a passive learner too much to ask?
You have such fascinating things to say and I love hearing your opinions. I am surprised I agree with pretty much everything you say. It's kinda scary since I don't come across that often, if at all. You totally just earned a new subscriber. Please keep making kick ass videos such as this one. You're awesome.
"The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well-developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought" - Peter Medawar
You sound like a frat asshole who is going to try to get a job through "frat connections" and then be broke as hell when you realize it doesn't work that way!
@OntologicalQuandary Successful men that were in Fraternities: Bill Clinton, Warren Buffet, J.P. Morgan, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush , Tommy Hilfiger, Ted Turner, Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan and many more. Oh, and I'm not a business major and I'm in a fraternity. I'm a CS major. Have fun working at Starbucks with your Philosophy degree GDI. Oh, and not all fraternity members are drunk and stupid. Stop watching Animal House and Old School. Stop stereotyping people you don't even know.
Lol! You really are a frat asshole! You think Bill Clinton and the Bush's are successful? Yea, I hope one day I can kill hundreds of thousands of people too!
Oh btw, petroleum engineer major here, have fun making 1/3 my salary out of school.
Good luck running an electric car without petroleum. Or making fertilizers. Or plastic. Or converting trains and planes to hydrogen engines LOL. Looks like you are one of those morons who thinks electric outlets are a magic black hole of free energy, when in fact they require coal. Your ignorance of petroleum related products is astounding. But then again, you are a frat asshole so it makes sense.
College is a tool. A drill is also a handy tool but if all you have are nails then that drill can be pretty useless. Same with college; if you work towards a degree without looking into what jobs are available with that particular degree then you just might end up with a pretty piece a paper and a lot of debt. For example I know of a person who spent a very pretty penny of getting a masters in English and she is a waitress and has been for years...it's a shame.
I remember sitting in my anthropology class a few weeks ago, going over the difference between neanderthals and modern humans or some such nonsense, and one of the girls in class asked the teacher, "So, were humans living with dinosaurs back then?...or not?" I'm pretty sure she was completely serious. At that point, I put my head down and stopped paying attention to everything around me.
Gotta agree with you. Study medieval history myself. Though I'm pretty lucky to be working under some great archaeologists and medieval historians (one is the world's authority in his field), 90% of what I learn could be learnt by anyone else. Granted, some resources are exclusive and my library is truly massive, but anyone with a deep interest could probably match or outdo me easily without going to class and handing in essays with arbitrary word counts.
I feel your pain! I am almost done with all my requirements for a philosophy major, and had to take PHL 103 (Critical Thinking) as a requirement this semester. All I hear from other students is how much they hate reading books, not just books for that class either. If you hate books and thinking, don't go to college! I love being around SOME philosophy majors, at least they enjoy reading, thinking, and engaging in meaningful discussions that challenge them.
I'm an architecture student, and more than once I have spoken with people in my same major saying "nah i really hate the subjects about art, and i hate math too" and they just look at me confused when i say "then what do you think this career is about??!" so frustrating.
Reading is the great, universal college; however - speaking practically - to teach and learn in an environment of the like-minded is worth a good deal of pennies. I suppose I could spend 90 pennies at a coffee house and get better colloquies going, but. . . .
I really believe that self education is the best method of education,especially since we have all these open sources of information.College, for some majors, is completely unneeded.During my current experience in art school, I've learned one thing.That I don't need to go to college to become an animator.I've read books on animation, drawing, painting, thinking that the things I leaned from the books were nothing compared to what I'd learn in college.Wrong.Everything I know, I learned on my own.
Sadly, the fact college has been made incredibly expensive, and with low return on investment in terms of employment and market value SHOULD already teach people to avoid it unless they know basic math.
Instead, people go into debt for something they aren't sure of. (With the exception of scientists, doctors, nurses, a portion of businessmen and lawyers).
Learning is GOOD, I don't discourage it, but one shouldn't let the finances take advantage of you (or your life).
I think college, now a few months from completing my degree, is really just not something I can take that seriously. Education has become little more than a new way for people to make money --it's basically an idiot tax. I wanted to get into science (physics), so college was not optional, but if there was any other way to do it, I would have. Christ, I could write an entire volume on the subject of universities...
People that are interested in shit, then indulge those interests religiously, then learn to turn a profit from those interests... are ALWAYS successful. College is one of many indulgences. Ergo: College is not necessary for success. However, for those of you not interested in shit... go to college to learn how to become interested in shit.
I agree with you that college isn't for everyone. We need more people with skills such as carpentry, plumbing, etc. And yes you can waste college by partying the entire time, but that in of itself doesn't devalue college. College is full of people who are not going to make it through the degree, though colleges are becoming easier. In certain careers you really need a college education, science, engineering, etc. I do sympathize with your feelings.
I ended up with a low GPA and no degrees beyond HS due to a stubborn streak and an evangelical attitude toward the treatment microprocessors got back in the late 1970's. I attended University for 6 Years and excelled at Calculus and History, Electronics, Chemistry and Physics. And yet, trying to get around the "Those... chips... are nothing but a useless fad!" attitude of the faculties dealt my GPA a fatal blow. By the time I succeeded, it was 6 Years lost and no degree.
Thanks for the info boss. Excellent vid. I talked about the same subject in my vids. The only reason why I went into college was those shithole big box stores!
Those business majors are supremely annoying. I was in a religion class and the final paper was required to be a minimum of eight pages. One or two business majors were annoyed because they were hoping for a minimum of two pages. That was a facepalm moment.
There are idiots in every institution. For colleges in the US; as long as you pay tuition they do not care about your aptitude or merit. As long as rich brainless morons can afford college without such qualities, essentially buying a degree, nor earning one. Colleges will continue to lose credibility and the worth of such degrees will suffer as well. Except for Science/Engineering.
@subdid23 you don't need to be exceptionally smart to get a general bachelors of science, maybe a little above average for engineering.
unless they were in pharmacy, nursing or had the grades to get into graduate studies most of them end up being underpaid lab techs or transferring their credits to get a shitty dual education major.
I need to go to University and get my bit of paper. I don't think I'll leanr anything useful at my job, but I need my bit of paper. I say this as a 2nd year chem student, on an industrial placement though, I definately co0uldn't have done my job (as well as I do) without the first two years.
Another major factor in going to univerisyt is the old boys network. Lots of Jobs go to people from the same Alma Mata as you, even if it's not quite as tight as the boys from oxbridge.
I keep hearing stories for buddies of mine who studied for years in technology and computers because that was the future. Then everything gets outsourced to India and their tech degrees are worthless.
The only inspiration for me going to college is to seduce nerdy asian chicks. ^_^
Other than that, I can fucking read. Hence I can fucking learn on my own.
Years ago, I had this same idea. I was in college, just there to get a paper, and had no real interest in studying. -- But now I have changed and I enjoy it very much. Learning is fascinating. I actually think that in some sense, going to college does put you into some direction even if you don't precisely know what you want.
Quite a bit of people are more than capable to get ahead in life without College because College is not for everyone. However if your major requires College like if you wanted to become a Surgeon, then there is no choice in the matter unless you decide on something else, which you should think hard about if you don't like College in the first place. But for some people, College is essential especially if they can't learn on their own. I'd love to keep talking but 500chars is too little. :/
"It's not what you know, it's WHO you know." Hearing that makes me want to punch a baby.
I completely empathize, Peter. I go to WSU, which has a huge reputation for being a "party school", and though I distance myself from that lifestyle, I often find myself with many of the same complaints you've made in this video, particularly your gripes with business majors. This video is entertaining (if painfully accurate).
I hear you. I've known a lot of college educated people, with the same degrees as myself, who are completely retarded. As you said, they just want the paper and not the knowledge. I have to compete with those retards in the job market, when I know I am better at these things then they are, and am always seeking new knowledge, when they think the degree is the last time they will have to learn anything.
In the area which I live, a person will not be considered for a job answering telephones (just telephones,no computer work) without at least an associate's.Say what you will;while college may not guarantee a decent paying job w/benefits,lack of college (barring being from a rich family or having an idea for an insanely popular invention) almost guarantees that one will not be considered for any position beyond labour work.
I recall a trip I made to visit a friend who was nearly finished with his Physics degree at UW in Seattle. I overheard one of the conversations that evening between some of his acquaintances. One of them made the exaggerated claim that anyone who joined the military was an idiot; irony of ironies, that guy in-particular never did anything with his degree and simply lived on campus with his buddies, doing exactly the same thing he did when he attended: binge-drink and party.
The point being that the military taught me a trade that I can use on the outside, along with the experience and certifications needed to get my foot in the door. But the same thing happens in the military as well; a lot of people enlist without a plan, hoping to get a free paycheck and G.I. Bill benefits without realizing that it is a profession of arms and requires a lot of dedication and self-discipline, and in turn, they wind up removed under a general or bad conduct discharge
Wow, my college experience was much different. History, english, anthropology, biology, astronomy, geology and philosophy were all great with great teachers and fun discussions.
On the flip side... with this economy i see that many companies are choosing to get people without college education because the cost less to hire and so, i know some people that only got a job to put food on the table because they omitted college education from the resume... crazy world. Oh well i think theres two sides to every thing.
I agree absolutely with your 'rant', I'm a med student (4th year) and all the classes got too tedious because of powerpoint presentations that I am starting to lose all interest in medicine. Good teachers (with teaching skills) and a strong will to learn is what college should be about.
@rafaravioli Speaking as a Theoretical Physics student all you need is the lecture material in text form. Lecturers are not useful to me. General relativity and quantum mechanics, for example; are easily learnt with all the necessary material.
Let me tell you something, I majored in physics and the majority of my professors were horrible professors. I got through solving the majority of my physics problem sets and advancing my understanding of physics as a whole by seeking assistance online from amatuers and experts in the field , as well as looking at the solutions to my problem set or similar problem set , and reading books not necessarily issued by the teacher, not because of the "help" from my professors.
Tooltime, one caveat i would add to your video is that the sciences (when one wants to become a scientist) absolutely require college/university. Uni provides an environment where it's easy to become closely affiliated with career scientists and get involved in research, and this allows some very close mentoring from professors as well as very practical, hands-on learning. I don't personally know of any other route into that sort of thing.
I do know a lot of my fellow college grads that are successful of course, but I also know many that are very underemployed and unhappy, and have been for many years. Most of it is not due to any innate lack of intelligence, but often due to lack of people skills or various personal "demons" that are holding them back.
i love your vids debunking Reaganomics, Deregulation, Tax Cuts and debunking Free Market Fascist Libertarian Conservative economics ; ) thank you!
please do more vids debunking Sales Tax & Tax Cuts for multi-mil & billionaires, necessity of Inheritance Tax, after Conservatives do Tax Cuts (spending) elevating Deficit then say they have to cut Welfare & Social programs for Working Poor -how that causes mass agony and poverty, destroys lives & thousands die in months from that.
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Thanks! I appreciate it. It's been awhile since I've done videos on those topics, but I can feel a wave of those coming on now. Hehheh. Next week's video will probably be about what's going on in Wisconsin.
@mistacramer In some cases, but not mostly. Part of it is just not being very focused, and part of it is self-doubt, depression, anxiety, you name it.
5:27 - 5:35 I'll raise ya: The instructor, having absolutely no command of the subject matter, gets the power points (and homework solutions) wrong. Further, he is unable to deal with these errors and is too too politically entrenched to be removed. Pursuing an A-grade then becomes less about understanding the material, and more about subtly ass-kissing and feverishly trying to divine exactly which wrong answer the professor wants. Change this course title to: "Boss acceptance training."
I have people in college asking me how to "unzip files." I had a kid last week ask me whether he should cite his work. I proof read his paper and it was pathetic.
Peter, you're a cool guy and I agree with much of what you're saying here, but I should tell you that I know a lot of people from high school - smart and hardworking people - who went into fraternities and sororitites and had a very positive experience and met some of the best friends of their lives. I find it a little unfair of you to generalize ALL frat guys as binge drinkers, date rapists, or idiots. That might be how some are at your school, but you can't lump them all together like that.
All I can say is FUCKING agreed... when i went i was there for 2 quarters and decided it wasn't worth it. I knew most of what I was learning already, give the math classes, which I am not even good at whatsoever. It was boring, and the only classes I really enjoyed were psychology and music theory. lol. I'm going to go to production school and get it over with, I have no desire to become another corporate pig
@tooltime9901 My high school classes are exactly like that...
And my parents are actually paying for these classes by sending me to a private Catholic high school. -_-
You wouldn't believe what our philosophy class is like. Imagine a bonfire of those retards at the frat houses shit-faced drunk--the only difference is that the students (and the teacher) in our class are sober.
I understand your disappointment over the retards in college. When I went off to school I was so excited about the people I'd encounter...and it turned out to be worse than high school. And I went to a highly rated school. I dropped out...*sigh* Certainly, the kids weren't the reason I left, but, what a let-down, nevertheless. I know the frat-boy-business-major types; they tend to boo their commencement speakers. And tend to be a reason why thoughtfulness is being relegated to the dump.
Maybe this is an American thing, but I couldnt possibly disagree more with this video :( I hear that college is much more expensive in the US than here in Canada though, so that might have something to do with it, but I can definitely say that College was well worth my time and money.
Then again, I went to a trades college, which is different. But the end result of your college education is highly "YOU" dependent. It wont automatically upgrade your life, but it does give you useful tools.
@mistacramer Yeah, thats what I thought. I paid about $7,500 for college the first time, and about 6,000 the second time. I'm a certified meat cutter and a ticketed first year welder.
My friend took a three year Business course, and owes about 50,000, but that includes car payments, tuition, materials, campus housing, meals, and everything else.
Just one more reason I'm glad I'm not an american, i guess.
It's so true. I agree 100%. You can definitely succeed without a college degree, and there's no shame in getting one or being someone who college isn't for. People who don't want to go to school SHOULDN'T GO. Make room for people who want/need to go. I'm going to college because I need further college to expand my medical expertise, otherwise, I wouldn't go.
Tooltime, i had that unpleasant experience at UT Austin.
"Bro-hams" & Sororities predictably annoying.
spoiled suburban rich kids with zero interest in intellectual brilliance was enough of a disincentive to skip dozens of days and i went to professors' evening seminars instead of daytime with the ignorami lol
Conservatives constantly cut funding for education since 1980's to weaken "evil Commie university programming" - it's why college quality has diminished tragically & degrees lost value.
I feel you. I'm in a similar situation with my classes. I always get to my first class of the day roughly 10 minutes early, and hearing what the people around me talk about is stupid enough to bring my intellect down a few points. I'm there to learn and expand myself, but college isn't about that anymore. College is all about getting a piece of paper so you can get a job. The learning and social experiences are reduced and the universities are just increasing tuition more and more.
Students of certain majors may not run into the same issues addressed in this video, i.e, the coursework and experience that constitutes to a degree in electrical engineering is quite straightforward.
look @ my comment on Conservatives cutting HS & college funding by 70% since 1980's Reaganomics -it's why education is terrible & degrees lost value (proven fact, not my opinion) your thoughts?
it's not public education that's dysfunctional nor a failure.
education lost funding it used to get 1940's-1980, when it was high quality ... defunding by Republicans destroyed education.
dont say it's partly public education's fault. it's not. you cant argue that. argue something else ; )
I do see a lot wrong with the way people go about their post-secondary education in that people often fail to realize successful methods for reaching their long term goals. As a student who is double majoring in math and physics, I've run into a lot of people pursuing an education for reasons such as preparing themselves for a future in academia, understanding nature, and the college experience of being around like minded people from whom they could learn from and grow with.
"I do see a lot wrong with the way people go about their post-secondary education...As a student who is double majoring in math and physics, I've run into a lot of people pursuing an education for reasons such as preparing themselves for a future in academia, understanding nature, and...being around like minded people..."
Sorry to hear it! My sympathies. Hopefully, you can just finish up quickly and get an industry job, so that you can get away from those backward people.
Do you think going to College in another country to study art is a good idea (maybe it would help to get to know the culture better and make connections)?
@burnyourcrutch I'd like to say it's being kept alive by the very people who major in these so-called "worthless" majors, but I might sound overly optimistic. Plus my major falls into that category and I don't want to toot my horn too much.
at first i went to college becuase i was pushed into it. my mom likes to use me as a way to validate herself but now i value it purly for the learning experience and not for the validation. though i'm feeling more and more isolated from my friends that didn't go and most of my family which has never attended college. they no longer see the world the way i see it: holistically.
This video is disappointing. Everyone gets something different out of college and I definitely agree that you only get what you put in, but it's like you tried to come up with an argument about why people you don't like are unintelligent. I also find it amusing that a philosophy major is telling other people what they should go to school for since philosophy is always considered one of the worthless majors (though I personally don't agree).
@alanagkelly I am not telling anyone they should or should not go to school for anything. i made video about majoring in philosophy because people are ignorant enough about college to think that philosophy is a worthless degree, when the facts say otherwise, and I see that as a part of the general problem of ignorance about college many people have, which i tried to address in this video.
@tooltime9901 I think I missed that point in this particular video, but I agreed completely with your comment and your majoring in philosophy video. I'm majoring in a "worthless" major too and I reject the idea that monetary value is the only thing that makes something worth doing. I think this video can be summed up as "some people are idiots." No degree or set of classes is exempt.
I get confused when Americans talk about "college". I went to "University". There are so many different things called "colleges". There's Community College, Technical College, Art College, CEGEP, etc.
@Stephen5000 Usually if an American is vaguely talking about college they're talking about a 4 year school to get a bachelors. The other ones will be specified usually.
I took a degree in Physics (with lots of Math classes) and found the students to be intelligent and not asking dumb questions for the most part. So I'm not sure what type of classes you're talking about. (Though I've never taken a Business class)
Also one should note that University is very departmentalized. So really, it's the size of your department, not the size of the university/college that really matters.
You think your college experience is somehow the same as everyones college experience? You think that the third and fourth year science courses don't involve thought provoking discussions?
Is this video just a long "this is what my narrow field of experience has led me to think and I am right. There is no way that there is a different set of experiences in the college/university world hat would be completely different than mine"?
There is a term for people like you, "know-it-alls."
@tophergrallison After watching several videos from Tooltime9901 I have to say I agree with you. A serious case of I know the answers to everything. I especially think this video shows his true colors after watching his Faith and Reason video where he talks about tolerance. He seems very IN-tolerant of a large number of his schoolmates. Even using the word hate. TT would do better if he spent more time worrying about himself and less time on what others are doing.
As a university student, I can agree strongly to the statement that uni's are full of retards, but I am still happy for my reasons that I am going to university. My goal is to be a lawyer, and I need a degree for that life-path. Maybe clarify your message, it is true that you do not need a degree to be sucessful, but you very greatly need a degree to do many things in life, even if you disagree with the established accidemic system (which I do).
I completely agree. The reasons you give is why I chose my Philosophy/Literature double major.
The problem is people have advertised and marketed college as a product, not that betters your human person, but a product that makes you "more money" (even if not necessarily true).
I took a technical writing class the senior year of my civil engineering studies and had a similar experience. I had a lot of freshmen in my class and they asked the most inane and retarded questions. Nothing the teacher said seemed to sink into their underdeveloped skull cavities.
We had to do a group writing project and guess who wound up doing ALL of the work for my group. I told the teacher about it after we gave our presentation. Fuck them bitches. I hope she gave them all Ds.
Tooltime, oh, I can empathize, especially in the case of business majors and Greek people. To succeed in business, it's your social skills you rely on, not necessarily your intellect. No offense to any business majors out there, but I find a lot of people do business because they don't know what they want to do with their lives.
You're incredibly right. Many people who go to college, go for the wrong reasons.
My mom is in educ. college. There was an assignment they had to read that was a horrendously sexist essay from the 1910's. She wrote about it disagreeing of course. But the professor said an overwhelming number of people in her class wrote in agreement with it. These people do not have minds. They follow whatever they think their prof wants them to write about. It's fucking irritating.
Art colleges might or might not be useless. It depends a lot on the school, the major, and the level of talent. If you want to pursue a career in something that's artistic or creative but also a lucrative business, such as animation, web design, fashion, etc. then you should definitely go to college for it. It might even help you land a job.
I know I have the propensity for asking stupid questions (I ask a lot of questions, it's statistically inevitable), so I save them for after the lecture.
A couple further points from my experience. My pre-uni quals (UK A-Levels) were quite poor, but I got a 1st class degree (Stats and Economics, classed as a BSc). It's taken me 8 months to get a job, because graduate employers now look past your degree because apparently it shows 'consistency'. Really it's because they get hundreds of applicant
@Soulus101 ...applicants from graduates and need another way to shortlist them. NOT taking part in extra-curriculars was also a negative. I often said that they would take an upper second who captained the cheer-leading squad over me with a 1st and a passion for my subjects.
I agree with you 100%. I went to college because I wanted to do something with my life. I didn't want to be that person that ends up flipping burgers or something. Well, I have my degree now but what is it that I do... FLIP FUCKING BURGERS! Well, that last part is more of a generalization. I actually work at a motel but needless to say, the job market sucks balls even if you have a degree.
I've already explained to both of my kids, that they shouldn't even bother going to college until their at least 25, by then you've hopefully sewn your wild oats and are ready to educate yourself about something so you don't have to flip burgers for a living. And there's a much better chance of getting good grades.
I felt bad watching this video. You seem angry. You don't look like you've been sleeping well. I think something other than the content of the video is bothering you.
were skilled. This is where the college degree comes in. It's like a QA stamp on a person that they have been tested and passed certain criteria, assuring the boss that the product (the laborer) is capable of performing a certain task. This shows how the separation of laborer and the means of life is a key characteristic of capitalism. What once required only the ability to do something now requires proof of that ability so that the person who owns the means of life will let you use it.
I think it's interesting to note that the growth of college attendance corresponded with the development of capitalism. As you pointed out, there are jobs where you can be successful without a college degree as long as you are skilled at them. Therefore people who were skilled in precapitalist times would become artisans and tradesmen without needing a degree to do so. However with the growth of capitalism and thus wage labor, the capitalist needed some sort of guarantee that their employees
Great until the rambling. Ya, I see college as bullshit because so many people go because of expectation. What does drinking your brain cells dead have anything to do with getting a business degree??? As for 'there are no stupid questions" YES there are stupid questions, and I am sure many of us have asked stupid questions once or twice. Anyway, ya those business frat boys are fucking idiots.
i sub'd good video
mrsansty 1 month ago
I totally agree with ur rambling :)
l7ja 1 month ago
Thankfully im getting an MBA after college, college degrees by themselves suck and are not impressive.
TheGhostfacekilla86 4 months ago
You're right. I noticed this with quite a few college students. That is, they think they will live off their parent's purse for 3-4 years while drinking every other night and getting mere passing grades. Then suddenly, when they graduate, and receive their bachelor of business studies, they think they can waltz into any corporation and take over as CEO. Yet, these people seemed to be the ones always picking on other students for actually taking it seriously and NOT studying business. lol
tammymism 4 months ago
This is an excellent video.
drmcmoney 4 months ago 3
Sounds like a case of senior snobbery to me.
eswyatt 5 months ago
@eswyatt
Nope. I concurred exactly with everything he has just stated, and I am a sophomore. Its not just seniors that notice this, it's everyone who is not a complete retard (~30% of the students) from freshmen on up.
Tr3xKuro 4 months ago
Let's be honest here:
1. If you go into business courses the chances are you're not going to strike it rich because in business it's really about who you know rather than what you know (except when to run and hide your loot in offshore banks)
2. if you study engineering and computers you'll end up working as a "Dilbert" with no social life for some clueless, psycho boss.
3. If you study art and philosophy? Do you know how to live in a tent, shack or abandoned building and panhandle for cash?
technatezin 6 months ago
Yea you can't expect that everyone is going to be where you are at with it..whether advanced or lagging or "just there"...but I loved your.."figure out what is best or true for you." Most people don't hear this enough..
asana1973 6 months ago
philosophy class is awesome :)
karlehamel 7 months ago
@sellingmypokecards He said that they mentioned it was for an Entrepreneurial Class and you're usually required to have a business model, or some sort of plan that you're following. But to answer your question, no you don't need a model to sell random shit. However selling "random shit" as tooltime mentioned in his example wouldn't really have the greatest success rate.
imreloadin2 7 months ago
I know what you mean, I want to major in philosphy also when I leave the military to attend school. I know a degree to move up in any job because thats what the standard is So I have to deal with it.
mwyatt787 7 months ago
I go to college for engineering and the classes can be really tough sometimes. If you can teach yourself Fluid Mechanics at the library ... I'd be very impressed.
calebp9503 8 months ago
I have never agreed with someone more in my life. Great arguments. Well articulated. Entertaining. Awesome.I'm in you exact situation as well.
JMB41Music 8 months ago
You sir, spoke for many of us ^^ GJ! :O
MrIco 9 months ago
What's the stupidest question you've heard?
mizakzee 9 months ago
I also don't get the "college elitism" thing. An education is important no matter where you get it, even if it's not from a school. There are those who believe "oh, i'm going to a university, i'm smarter/better than those who go to community or other types of schools" ... no. It depends on what you put into it, not how expensive or fancy the college university is.
moonlightkisu 9 months ago
true, wish more people knew this. I'm in college now, but only because the jobs I want require a degree ... but yea. Steve Jobs never went to college, and he's a good example of success, I think.
moonlightkisu 9 months ago
I totally agree with this. It's disgusting.
pacifiedfools 9 months ago
University is basically a scam now. Bankers love it.
attemptingtobehumble 9 months ago 10
@attemptingtobehumble yeah fuck Schools
slim58769 9 months ago
@slim58769 Actually it is true some of the greatest minds in history were autodidacts most notably Leonardo da Vinci, Lovecraft, George Bernard Shaw, Frank Zappa, Buckminster Fuller, Benjamin Franklin, Malcolm X, and I could go on. Schools are basically being used to indoctrinate people to accept this bullshit not to mention rack up incredible amounts of debt so the bankers can get rich.
attemptingtobehumble 9 months ago
@attemptingtobehumble The banks usually "guarantee" college loans that students don't pay for. Banks are failing...
CHTWillCome723 4 months ago
I used to hate reading in high school and just realized afterwards I actually love reading.I just could not stand some of the useless crap I had to read just to get a good grade. Examples-analyzing a poem in English class or memorizing tons of dates for a multiple choice quiz in History. Now I read like a motherfucker, history, economics, philosophy, horror, or whatever.
JMB129 10 months ago
Excellent points, tooltime. It all depends on the person. If you already know how you can survive and it doesn't involve going to college, then by all means pursue whatever that is. I just think someone who doesn't really have a plan should at least take a few cheap community college classes as opposed to just sitting around wondering what to do. It's probably better to have some extra knowledge about anything at all than to just do nothing. But you pretty much nailed it in this video.
JMB129 10 months ago
The worst part about college for me was grading. I worried so much about my grades when I went that I didn't bother to learn anything beyond the test. Since college, I've taught myself basic computer science and AI techniques, and I've learned them far better than anything I would have learned in college.
Signed ~ History Major turned computer programmer.
VigilanteNighthawk 10 months ago
we share opinions on college on this one. nice vid
molimhvalaizvoli 10 months ago
25 people dont know what erroneous means. :)
niaxcore13 10 months ago
It would be nice if people could ban together and learn from one another. That's pretty much where the learning comes in college any way. A professor can only do so much. My chemistry professor is great, don't get me wrong but I use the book to teach myself. I copy notes but I don't use her notes for anything or even look at them lol. Problem is, I can't afford the books and we live in a credential based society, so having a degree is pretty much necessary, especially for the sciences.
HybridD91 11 months ago
@HybridD91 *I can't afford the books without grants*
HybridD91 11 months ago
So why are you in college?
jehcrazyjehcmy 11 months ago
@jehcrazyjehcmy Probably to learn more, experience something new, or take on a challenge, who knows. Only he can answer it (Yoda voice).
HybridD91 11 months ago
dude stop apologizing for "rambling" at the end of every video, it is what it is, and a lot of people like it.
kyebean 11 months ago
LOL foundation advert, random..
LaurenCS1992 11 months ago
This really came into my mind the other day in a unit I'm doing called 'Analysing comic books'. Suffice to say not everyone taking the class is interested in sequential art, but I was infuriated when a previous lecture on counter cultural comics was summed up by my fellow students by the reference made to taking acid during the era. Nevermind that he left his own rare comic books for them to peruse, instead they focus on the one off-colour aspect. Is even being a passive learner too much to ask?
ProdigsProductions 11 months ago
I like you man. You have some pretty awesome philosophies. High five.
'Business model, you mean were supposed to actually think about what we're selling and why?' Hah I know the type.
jamesm274 11 months ago
I like you man. You have some pretty awesome philosophies. High five.
jamesm274 11 months ago
My biggest beef is with the current trend at universities to treat students as customers with an attitude of the customer is always right.
mistacramer 11 months ago
The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with an Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"
CartCollector 11 months ago
@CartCollector lol although i think it's the philosopher that would ask why does it work
mana2432 11 months ago
If someone has to spend four years in college to improve their writing skills, it shows the piss poor nature of high school.
PropheciesofWar 11 months ago
You have such fascinating things to say and I love hearing your opinions. I am surprised I agree with pretty much everything you say. It's kinda scary since I don't come across that often, if at all. You totally just earned a new subscriber. Please keep making kick ass videos such as this one. You're awesome.
Darksunshinerain87 11 months ago
Yeah..
I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't stand stupid questions.
I was in an inorganic chem class and some idiot asked about SUPERNOVAS..
-.-
WHUT?
Gooshnads 11 months ago
"The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well-developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought" - Peter Medawar
Seems highly appropriate here :D
gedwashere91 11 months ago
This is a pretty good video, a shame this guy doesn't know that 9/11 was an inside job
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
Sounds like a GDI that didn't get a bid!
Fratty124 11 months ago
@Fratty124
You sound like a frat asshole who is going to try to get a job through "frat connections" and then be broke as hell when you realize it doesn't work that way!
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
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Fratty124 11 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary Successful men that were in Fraternities: Bill Clinton, Warren Buffet, J.P. Morgan, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush , Tommy Hilfiger, Ted Turner, Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan and many more. Oh, and I'm not a business major and I'm in a fraternity. I'm a CS major. Have fun working at Starbucks with your Philosophy degree GDI. Oh, and not all fraternity members are drunk and stupid. Stop watching Animal House and Old School. Stop stereotyping people you don't even know.
Fratty124 11 months ago
@Fratty124
Lol! You really are a frat asshole! You think Bill Clinton and the Bush's are successful? Yea, I hope one day I can kill hundreds of thousands of people too!
Oh btw, petroleum engineer major here, have fun making 1/3 my salary out of school.
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
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Fratty124 11 months ago
@Fratty124
Lol wtf I didn't make this video.
Good luck running an electric car without petroleum. Or making fertilizers. Or plastic. Or converting trains and planes to hydrogen engines LOL. Looks like you are one of those morons who thinks electric outlets are a magic black hole of free energy, when in fact they require coal. Your ignorance of petroleum related products is astounding. But then again, you are a frat asshole so it makes sense.
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary
I didn't know ITT Tech had a petroleum engineering program!
Fratty124 11 months ago
@Fratty124
:|
That is the best you got?
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
College is a tool. A drill is also a handy tool but if all you have are nails then that drill can be pretty useless. Same with college; if you work towards a degree without looking into what jobs are available with that particular degree then you just might end up with a pretty piece a paper and a lot of debt. For example I know of a person who spent a very pretty penny of getting a masters in English and she is a waitress and has been for years...it's a shame.
cararacs 1 year ago
I remember sitting in my anthropology class a few weeks ago, going over the difference between neanderthals and modern humans or some such nonsense, and one of the girls in class asked the teacher, "So, were humans living with dinosaurs back then?...or not?" I'm pretty sure she was completely serious. At that point, I put my head down and stopped paying attention to everything around me.
somebodynew3 1 year ago
Gotta agree with you. Study medieval history myself. Though I'm pretty lucky to be working under some great archaeologists and medieval historians (one is the world's authority in his field), 90% of what I learn could be learnt by anyone else. Granted, some resources are exclusive and my library is truly massive, but anyone with a deep interest could probably match or outdo me easily without going to class and handing in essays with arbitrary word counts.
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misternormL 1 year ago
I feel your pain! I am almost done with all my requirements for a philosophy major, and had to take PHL 103 (Critical Thinking) as a requirement this semester. All I hear from other students is how much they hate reading books, not just books for that class either. If you hate books and thinking, don't go to college! I love being around SOME philosophy majors, at least they enjoy reading, thinking, and engaging in meaningful discussions that challenge them.
alifeofreason 1 year ago
Most colleges are a scam. If you must do it do it tution free or something
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 1 year ago
I'm an architecture student, and more than once I have spoken with people in my same major saying "nah i really hate the subjects about art, and i hate math too" and they just look at me confused when i say "then what do you think this career is about??!" so frustrating.
suchi4free 1 year ago
@suchi4free lol architecture is so lame literally any retard can use autocad
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
Reading is the great, universal college; however - speaking practically - to teach and learn in an environment of the like-minded is worth a good deal of pennies. I suppose I could spend 90 pennies at a coffee house and get better colloquies going, but. . . .
Pichounator 1 year ago
"There's no such thing as a stupid question, until YOU ask it"
-Doug Walker
Larvemannenz001 1 year ago
I really believe that self education is the best method of education,especially since we have all these open sources of information.College, for some majors, is completely unneeded.During my current experience in art school, I've learned one thing.That I don't need to go to college to become an animator.I've read books on animation, drawing, painting, thinking that the things I leaned from the books were nothing compared to what I'd learn in college.Wrong.Everything I know, I learned on my own.
cjaygrove 1 year ago
Futurama once made a joke about this, cannot remember it though.
JamesJimRaynor 1 year ago 7
Sadly, the fact college has been made incredibly expensive, and with low return on investment in terms of employment and market value SHOULD already teach people to avoid it unless they know basic math.
Instead, people go into debt for something they aren't sure of. (With the exception of scientists, doctors, nurses, a portion of businessmen and lawyers).
Learning is GOOD, I don't discourage it, but one shouldn't let the finances take advantage of you (or your life).
spiritualbully 1 year ago
Agreed 100% unless you go to college for Engineering or Science... Then its a bit different...
AJBonkoski 1 year ago
I think its funny how Asher Roth loves college for all the same reasons that you hate it.
speakerz74 1 year ago
I think college, now a few months from completing my degree, is really just not something I can take that seriously. Education has become little more than a new way for people to make money --it's basically an idiot tax. I wanted to get into science (physics), so college was not optional, but if there was any other way to do it, I would have. Christ, I could write an entire volume on the subject of universities...
WizardofCalculus 1 year ago
@WizardofCalculus there's a lot of books on this, you won't be either the first or last, but be my guest.
spiritualbully 1 year ago
People that are interested in shit, then indulge those interests religiously, then learn to turn a profit from those interests... are ALWAYS successful. College is one of many indulgences. Ergo: College is not necessary for success. However, for those of you not interested in shit... go to college to learn how to become interested in shit.
elbowbiter1 1 year ago
I agree with you that college isn't for everyone. We need more people with skills such as carpentry, plumbing, etc. And yes you can waste college by partying the entire time, but that in of itself doesn't devalue college. College is full of people who are not going to make it through the degree, though colleges are becoming easier. In certain careers you really need a college education, science, engineering, etc. I do sympathize with your feelings.
fourtrees44 1 year ago
I ended up with a low GPA and no degrees beyond HS due to a stubborn streak and an evangelical attitude toward the treatment microprocessors got back in the late 1970's. I attended University for 6 Years and excelled at Calculus and History, Electronics, Chemistry and Physics. And yet, trying to get around the "Those... chips... are nothing but a useless fad!" attitude of the faculties dealt my GPA a fatal blow. By the time I succeeded, it was 6 Years lost and no degree.
RyuDarragh 1 year ago
College was standing in the way of my education, and that's why I dropped out.
Andrewticus04 1 year ago 4
Thanks for the info boss. Excellent vid. I talked about the same subject in my vids. The only reason why I went into college was those shithole big box stores!
ohio1998 1 year ago
Those business majors are supremely annoying. I was in a religion class and the final paper was required to be a minimum of eight pages. One or two business majors were annoyed because they were hoping for a minimum of two pages. That was a facepalm moment.
elizleigh1 1 year ago
There are idiots in every institution. For colleges in the US; as long as you pay tuition they do not care about your aptitude or merit. As long as rich brainless morons can afford college without such qualities, essentially buying a degree, nor earning one. Colleges will continue to lose credibility and the worth of such degrees will suffer as well. Except for Science/Engineering.
subdid23 1 year ago
@subdid23 you don't need to be exceptionally smart to get a general bachelors of science, maybe a little above average for engineering.
unless they were in pharmacy, nursing or had the grades to get into graduate studies most of them end up being underpaid lab techs or transferring their credits to get a shitty dual education major.
PraiseJesus123 1 year ago
I need to go to University and get my bit of paper. I don't think I'll leanr anything useful at my job, but I need my bit of paper. I say this as a 2nd year chem student, on an industrial placement though, I definately co0uldn't have done my job (as well as I do) without the first two years.
Another major factor in going to univerisyt is the old boys network. Lots of Jobs go to people from the same Alma Mata as you, even if it's not quite as tight as the boys from oxbridge.
TheBoyFromNorfolk 1 year ago
Weellll.... You're almost right. There is way more grey area than you expressed.
TheLionOfMars 1 year ago
I keep hearing stories for buddies of mine who studied for years in technology and computers because that was the future. Then everything gets outsourced to India and their tech degrees are worthless.
The only inspiration for me going to college is to seduce nerdy asian chicks. ^_^
Other than that, I can fucking read. Hence I can fucking learn on my own.
Nagneto 1 year ago
Excellent video there. I agree ten fold.
ethanforster 1 year ago
Years ago, I had this same idea. I was in college, just there to get a paper, and had no real interest in studying. -- But now I have changed and I enjoy it very much. Learning is fascinating. I actually think that in some sense, going to college does put you into some direction even if you don't precisely know what you want.
RishadanPort 1 year ago
Quite a bit of people are more than capable to get ahead in life without College because College is not for everyone. However if your major requires College like if you wanted to become a Surgeon, then there is no choice in the matter unless you decide on something else, which you should think hard about if you don't like College in the first place. But for some people, College is essential especially if they can't learn on their own. I'd love to keep talking but 500chars is too little. :/
JapplengUniversity 1 year ago
"It's not what you know, it's WHO you know." Hearing that makes me want to punch a baby.
I completely empathize, Peter. I go to WSU, which has a huge reputation for being a "party school", and though I distance myself from that lifestyle, I often find myself with many of the same complaints you've made in this video, particularly your gripes with business majors. This video is entertaining (if painfully accurate).
DSB33 1 year ago
I hear you. I've known a lot of college educated people, with the same degrees as myself, who are completely retarded. As you said, they just want the paper and not the knowledge. I have to compete with those retards in the job market, when I know I am better at these things then they are, and am always seeking new knowledge, when they think the degree is the last time they will have to learn anything.
IdleGod 1 year ago
I wouldn't say college is full of retards but yes you do some get some retards in colleges and
some people do go for the wrong reason and piss about,I get your point.
DD7100 1 year ago
In the area which I live, a person will not be considered for a job answering telephones (just telephones,no computer work) without at least an associate's.Say what you will;while college may not guarantee a decent paying job w/benefits,lack of college (barring being from a rich family or having an idea for an insanely popular invention) almost guarantees that one will not be considered for any position beyond labour work.
elzakrasz 1 year ago
I recall a trip I made to visit a friend who was nearly finished with his Physics degree at UW in Seattle. I overheard one of the conversations that evening between some of his acquaintances. One of them made the exaggerated claim that anyone who joined the military was an idiot; irony of ironies, that guy in-particular never did anything with his degree and simply lived on campus with his buddies, doing exactly the same thing he did when he attended: binge-drink and party.
TheShoguneagle 1 year ago
The point being that the military taught me a trade that I can use on the outside, along with the experience and certifications needed to get my foot in the door. But the same thing happens in the military as well; a lot of people enlist without a plan, hoping to get a free paycheck and G.I. Bill benefits without realizing that it is a profession of arms and requires a lot of dedication and self-discipline, and in turn, they wind up removed under a general or bad conduct discharge
TheShoguneagle 1 year ago
Wow, my college experience was much different. History, english, anthropology, biology, astronomy, geology and philosophy were all great with great teachers and fun discussions.
UnBeguiled 1 year ago
On the flip side... with this economy i see that many companies are choosing to get people without college education because the cost less to hire and so, i know some people that only got a job to put food on the table because they omitted college education from the resume... crazy world. Oh well i think theres two sides to every thing.
maxsnts 1 year ago
I agree absolutely with your 'rant', I'm a med student (4th year) and all the classes got too tedious because of powerpoint presentations that I am starting to lose all interest in medicine. Good teachers (with teaching skills) and a strong will to learn is what college should be about.
Sorry for any gramatical errors, I'm from Spain
yuksh 1 year ago
I think in the case of the hard sciences, it is not so useless as you think to go to college. Teaching oneself physics is no easy task.
rafaravioli 1 year ago 16
@rafaravioli I'm teaching myself calculus because my professor at ASU wont. Haha
udooling 11 months ago
@rafaravioli Speaking as a Theoretical Physics student all you need is the lecture material in text form. Lecturers are not useful to me. General relativity and quantum mechanics, for example; are easily learnt with all the necessary material.
IdaMiaDot 9 months ago
Let me tell you something, I majored in physics and the majority of my professors were horrible professors. I got through solving the majority of my physics problem sets and advancing my understanding of physics as a whole by seeking assistance online from amatuers and experts in the field , as well as looking at the solutions to my problem set or similar problem set , and reading books not necessarily issued by the teacher, not because of the "help" from my professors.
Pentazoid111 7 months ago
Tooltime, one caveat i would add to your video is that the sciences (when one wants to become a scientist) absolutely require college/university. Uni provides an environment where it's easy to become closely affiliated with career scientists and get involved in research, and this allows some very close mentoring from professors as well as very practical, hands-on learning. I don't personally know of any other route into that sort of thing.
gavinplaysbass 1 year ago 2
I do know a lot of my fellow college grads that are successful of course, but I also know many that are very underemployed and unhappy, and have been for many years. Most of it is not due to any innate lack of intelligence, but often due to lack of people skills or various personal "demons" that are holding them back.
Zaunstar 1 year ago
@Zaunstar
hi ; D
i love your vids debunking Reaganomics, Deregulation, Tax Cuts and debunking Free Market Fascist Libertarian Conservative economics ; ) thank you!
please do more vids debunking Sales Tax & Tax Cuts for multi-mil & billionaires, necessity of Inheritance Tax, after Conservatives do Tax Cuts (spending) elevating Deficit then say they have to cut Welfare & Social programs for Working Poor -how that causes mass agony and poverty, destroys lives & thousands die in months from that.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 year ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Thanks! I appreciate it. It's been awhile since I've done videos on those topics, but I can feel a wave of those coming on now. Hehheh. Next week's video will probably be about what's going on in Wisconsin.
Zaunstar 1 year ago
@Zaunstar
What do you mean by personal demons? Alcoholism?
mistacramer 11 months ago
@mistacramer In some cases, but not mostly. Part of it is just not being very focused, and part of it is self-doubt, depression, anxiety, you name it.
Zaunstar 11 months ago
5:27 - 5:35 I'll raise ya: The instructor, having absolutely no command of the subject matter, gets the power points (and homework solutions) wrong. Further, he is unable to deal with these errors and is too too politically entrenched to be removed. Pursuing an A-grade then becomes less about understanding the material, and more about subtly ass-kissing and feverishly trying to divine exactly which wrong answer the professor wants. Change this course title to: "Boss acceptance training."
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TheD0ded0de 1 year ago
I have people in college asking me how to "unzip files." I had a kid last week ask me whether he should cite his work. I proof read his paper and it was pathetic.
UsernameClayton 1 year ago
Peter, you're a cool guy and I agree with much of what you're saying here, but I should tell you that I know a lot of people from high school - smart and hardworking people - who went into fraternities and sororitites and had a very positive experience and met some of the best friends of their lives. I find it a little unfair of you to generalize ALL frat guys as binge drinkers, date rapists, or idiots. That might be how some are at your school, but you can't lump them all together like that.
ChrisTheAspergerGuy 1 year ago
All I can say is FUCKING agreed... when i went i was there for 2 quarters and decided it wasn't worth it. I knew most of what I was learning already, give the math classes, which I am not even good at whatsoever. It was boring, and the only classes I really enjoyed were psychology and music theory. lol. I'm going to go to production school and get it over with, I have no desire to become another corporate pig
XxMetalManxX 1 year ago
The power point comes with the teachers edition of the book.
bigbaddeerhunter 1 year ago
@bigbaddeerhunter in one class that was exactly the case
tooltime9901 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 My high school classes are exactly like that...
And my parents are actually paying for these classes by sending me to a private Catholic high school. -_-
You wouldn't believe what our philosophy class is like. Imagine a bonfire of those retards at the frat houses shit-faced drunk--the only difference is that the students (and the teacher) in our class are sober.
xXSceilusXx 11 months ago
I couldn't agree more when you essentially said that most of the stuff in college isn't even though provoking.
and yeah people are stupid
half the people in my philosophy class don't even understand the instructor.
Unlike you though I don't like the topics we cover in philosophy.
God arguments and freedom / determinism / fatalism arguments are stupid things I knew about when i was 13.
MirageScience 1 year ago
Oh cmon, I know some frat guys who take college seriously.
saxmanmax 1 year ago
I understand your disappointment over the retards in college. When I went off to school I was so excited about the people I'd encounter...and it turned out to be worse than high school. And I went to a highly rated school. I dropped out...*sigh* Certainly, the kids weren't the reason I left, but, what a let-down, nevertheless. I know the frat-boy-business-major types; they tend to boo their commencement speakers. And tend to be a reason why thoughtfulness is being relegated to the dump.
kingjoe99 1 year ago
Maybe this is an American thing, but I couldnt possibly disagree more with this video :( I hear that college is much more expensive in the US than here in Canada though, so that might have something to do with it, but I can definitely say that College was well worth my time and money.
Then again, I went to a trades college, which is different. But the end result of your college education is highly "YOU" dependent. It wont automatically upgrade your life, but it does give you useful tools.
Etimos 1 year ago
@Etimos
Well, my school charged about 25, 000 USD per year in tuition fees alone and that was a "public" state school.
mistacramer 11 months ago
@mistacramer Yeah, thats what I thought. I paid about $7,500 for college the first time, and about 6,000 the second time. I'm a certified meat cutter and a ticketed first year welder.
My friend took a three year Business course, and owes about 50,000, but that includes car payments, tuition, materials, campus housing, meals, and everything else.
Just one more reason I'm glad I'm not an american, i guess.
Etimos 11 months ago
It's for entrepreneurial class bra!!
endthedisease 1 year ago
It's so true. I agree 100%. You can definitely succeed without a college degree, and there's no shame in getting one or being someone who college isn't for. People who don't want to go to school SHOULDN'T GO. Make room for people who want/need to go. I'm going to college because I need further college to expand my medical expertise, otherwise, I wouldn't go.
DblOSmith 1 year ago
Tooltime, i had that unpleasant experience at UT Austin.
"Bro-hams" & Sororities predictably annoying.
spoiled suburban rich kids with zero interest in intellectual brilliance was enough of a disincentive to skip dozens of days and i went to professors' evening seminars instead of daytime with the ignorami lol
Conservatives constantly cut funding for education since 1980's to weaken "evil Commie university programming" - it's why college quality has diminished tragically & degrees lost value.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 year ago
I feel you. I'm in a similar situation with my classes. I always get to my first class of the day roughly 10 minutes early, and hearing what the people around me talk about is stupid enough to bring my intellect down a few points. I'm there to learn and expand myself, but college isn't about that anymore. College is all about getting a piece of paper so you can get a job. The learning and social experiences are reduced and the universities are just increasing tuition more and more.
bigndirk 1 year ago
Try construction.Mother fuckers are making 35$/hr some places.
MultiHypocrisy 1 year ago
Students of certain majors may not run into the same issues addressed in this video, i.e, the coursework and experience that constitutes to a degree in electrical engineering is quite straightforward.
Zubinen 1 year ago 8
@Zubinen true that.
tooltime9901 1 year ago 5
@tooltime9901
look @ my comment on Conservatives cutting HS & college funding by 70% since 1980's Reaganomics -it's why education is terrible & degrees lost value (proven fact, not my opinion) your thoughts?
it's not public education that's dysfunctional nor a failure.
education lost funding it used to get 1940's-1980, when it was high quality ... defunding by Republicans destroyed education.
dont say it's partly public education's fault. it's not. you cant argue that. argue something else ; )
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 year ago
I do see a lot wrong with the way people go about their post-secondary education in that people often fail to realize successful methods for reaching their long term goals. As a student who is double majoring in math and physics, I've run into a lot of people pursuing an education for reasons such as preparing themselves for a future in academia, understanding nature, and the college experience of being around like minded people from whom they could learn from and grow with.
Zubinen 1 year ago
@Zubinen
"I do see a lot wrong with the way people go about their post-secondary education...As a student who is double majoring in math and physics, I've run into a lot of people pursuing an education for reasons such as preparing themselves for a future in academia, understanding nature, and...being around like minded people..."
Sorry to hear it! My sympathies. Hopefully, you can just finish up quickly and get an industry job, so that you can get away from those backward people.
jeb31415 1 year ago
Do you think going to College in another country to study art is a good idea (maybe it would help to get to know the culture better and make connections)?
AlexWhiteFace 1 year ago
Totally agree.
Ryan2142 1 year ago
@burnyourcrutch I'd like to say it's being kept alive by the very people who major in these so-called "worthless" majors, but I might sound overly optimistic. Plus my major falls into that category and I don't want to toot my horn too much.
alanagkelly 1 year ago
Everything he said is true!
ArmorForAshley 1 year ago
at first i went to college becuase i was pushed into it. my mom likes to use me as a way to validate herself but now i value it purly for the learning experience and not for the validation. though i'm feeling more and more isolated from my friends that didn't go and most of my family which has never attended college. they no longer see the world the way i see it: holistically.
xXBarbeloXx 1 year ago
This video is disappointing. Everyone gets something different out of college and I definitely agree that you only get what you put in, but it's like you tried to come up with an argument about why people you don't like are unintelligent. I also find it amusing that a philosophy major is telling other people what they should go to school for since philosophy is always considered one of the worthless majors (though I personally don't agree).
alanagkelly 1 year ago
@alanagkelly I am not telling anyone they should or should not go to school for anything. i made video about majoring in philosophy because people are ignorant enough about college to think that philosophy is a worthless degree, when the facts say otherwise, and I see that as a part of the general problem of ignorance about college many people have, which i tried to address in this video.
tooltime9901 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 I think I missed that point in this particular video, but I agreed completely with your comment and your majoring in philosophy video. I'm majoring in a "worthless" major too and I reject the idea that monetary value is the only thing that makes something worth doing. I think this video can be summed up as "some people are idiots." No degree or set of classes is exempt.
alanagkelly 1 year ago
I get confused when Americans talk about "college". I went to "University". There are so many different things called "colleges". There's Community College, Technical College, Art College, CEGEP, etc.
Stephen5000 1 year ago
@Stephen5000 Usually if an American is vaguely talking about college they're talking about a 4 year school to get a bachelors. The other ones will be specified usually.
Utopor 1 year ago
I took a degree in Physics (with lots of Math classes) and found the students to be intelligent and not asking dumb questions for the most part. So I'm not sure what type of classes you're talking about. (Though I've never taken a Business class)
Also one should note that University is very departmentalized. So really, it's the size of your department, not the size of the university/college that really matters.
Stephen5000 1 year ago
Lolz, you should look for a vid on youtube called "Orgy of the low." It also talks about retards who go to college.
Evilanious 1 year ago
@ymalmsteen887 Yngwie is the man!!!
IronPriest82 1 year ago
You think your college experience is somehow the same as everyones college experience? You think that the third and fourth year science courses don't involve thought provoking discussions?
Is this video just a long "this is what my narrow field of experience has led me to think and I am right. There is no way that there is a different set of experiences in the college/university world hat would be completely different than mine"?
There is a term for people like you, "know-it-alls."
tophergrallison 1 year ago
@tophergrallison "You think your college experience is somehow the same as everyones college experience?"
so because I didn't scream "THIS IS MY OPINION AND OBSERVATIONS" you think i just totally generalize things in my head?
"You think that the third and fourth year science courses don't involve thought provoking discussions?"
When did i say or imply anything off the sort? I specifically said GEN ED classes.
you watch one video and think you have my full point of view?
tooltime9901 1 year ago 3
@tophergrallison After watching several videos from Tooltime9901 I have to say I agree with you. A serious case of I know the answers to everything. I especially think this video shows his true colors after watching his Faith and Reason video where he talks about tolerance. He seems very IN-tolerant of a large number of his schoolmates. Even using the word hate. TT would do better if he spent more time worrying about himself and less time on what others are doing.
kissingadventure 1 year ago
@kissingadventure
LOL yah how dare he criticize stupidity and ignorance?!
that's just hate? ; P
i presume you're a spoiled suburban rich kid "Bro-ham" or sorority chickie?
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 year ago
As a university student, I can agree strongly to the statement that uni's are full of retards, but I am still happy for my reasons that I am going to university. My goal is to be a lawyer, and I need a degree for that life-path. Maybe clarify your message, it is true that you do not need a degree to be sucessful, but you very greatly need a degree to do many things in life, even if you disagree with the established accidemic system (which I do).
RhetoricalBullshit 1 year ago
what about science?
samus1225 1 year ago
I completely agree. The reasons you give is why I chose my Philosophy/Literature double major.
The problem is people have advertised and marketed college as a product, not that betters your human person, but a product that makes you "more money" (even if not necessarily true).
insidetrip101 1 year ago
I took a technical writing class the senior year of my civil engineering studies and had a similar experience. I had a lot of freshmen in my class and they asked the most inane and retarded questions. Nothing the teacher said seemed to sink into their underdeveloped skull cavities.
We had to do a group writing project and guess who wound up doing ALL of the work for my group. I told the teacher about it after we gave our presentation. Fuck them bitches. I hope she gave them all Ds.
GodlessGirI 1 year ago
Tooltime, oh, I can empathize, especially in the case of business majors and Greek people. To succeed in business, it's your social skills you rely on, not necessarily your intellect. No offense to any business majors out there, but I find a lot of people do business because they don't know what they want to do with their lives.
You're incredibly right. Many people who go to college, go for the wrong reasons.
ToriesPolishBoy 1 year ago
@ToriesPolishBoy " To succeed in business, it's your social skills you rely on, not necessarily your intellect."
yet another reason why rich, white kids with a sense of entitlement should not be business majors. lol
tooltime9901 1 year ago 6
My mom is in educ. college. There was an assignment they had to read that was a horrendously sexist essay from the 1910's. She wrote about it disagreeing of course. But the professor said an overwhelming number of people in her class wrote in agreement with it. These people do not have minds. They follow whatever they think their prof wants them to write about. It's fucking irritating.
TheRachaelLefler 1 year ago
Then again, all those things I mentioned are so easy that the right software and wikipedia could probably teach you everything you need to do.
TheRachaelLefler 1 year ago
Art colleges might or might not be useless. It depends a lot on the school, the major, and the level of talent. If you want to pursue a career in something that's artistic or creative but also a lucrative business, such as animation, web design, fashion, etc. then you should definitely go to college for it. It might even help you land a job.
TheRachaelLefler 1 year ago
I know I have the propensity for asking stupid questions (I ask a lot of questions, it's statistically inevitable), so I save them for after the lecture.
A couple further points from my experience. My pre-uni quals (UK A-Levels) were quite poor, but I got a 1st class degree (Stats and Economics, classed as a BSc). It's taken me 8 months to get a job, because graduate employers now look past your degree because apparently it shows 'consistency'. Really it's because they get hundreds of applicant
Soulus101 1 year ago
@Soulus101 ...applicants from graduates and need another way to shortlist them. NOT taking part in extra-curriculars was also a negative. I often said that they would take an upper second who captained the cheer-leading squad over me with a 1st and a passion for my subjects.
Soulus101 1 year ago
I agree with you 100%. I went to college because I wanted to do something with my life. I didn't want to be that person that ends up flipping burgers or something. Well, I have my degree now but what is it that I do... FLIP FUCKING BURGERS! Well, that last part is more of a generalization. I actually work at a motel but needless to say, the job market sucks balls even if you have a degree.
YourStenchBothersMe 1 year ago
You kinda hated on the business majors there... I'm starting college in the fall at the U of Minnesota with business as my major D:
I won't be a 'bro', though, so it's good, right? I think I'm fairly competent.
Torleep 1 year ago
This stuff is going over my head. Bros? Frat house? Serority girls? I am studying for a Bsc in cock pump studies. x
ultimateinfinite 1 year ago
I've already explained to both of my kids, that they shouldn't even bother going to college until their at least 25, by then you've hopefully sewn your wild oats and are ready to educate yourself about something so you don't have to flip burgers for a living. And there's a much better chance of getting good grades.
TheDude0fLife 1 year ago
I felt bad watching this video. You seem angry. You don't look like you've been sleeping well. I think something other than the content of the video is bothering you.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
were skilled. This is where the college degree comes in. It's like a QA stamp on a person that they have been tested and passed certain criteria, assuring the boss that the product (the laborer) is capable of performing a certain task. This shows how the separation of laborer and the means of life is a key characteristic of capitalism. What once required only the ability to do something now requires proof of that ability so that the person who owns the means of life will let you use it.
CartCollector 1 year ago
I think it's interesting to note that the growth of college attendance corresponded with the development of capitalism. As you pointed out, there are jobs where you can be successful without a college degree as long as you are skilled at them. Therefore people who were skilled in precapitalist times would become artisans and tradesmen without needing a degree to do so. However with the growth of capitalism and thus wage labor, the capitalist needed some sort of guarantee that their employees
CartCollector 1 year ago
Great until the rambling. Ya, I see college as bullshit because so many people go because of expectation. What does drinking your brain cells dead have anything to do with getting a business degree??? As for 'there are no stupid questions" YES there are stupid questions, and I am sure many of us have asked stupid questions once or twice. Anyway, ya those business frat boys are fucking idiots.
jay666KJ 1 year ago